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Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 416. 3-29-90 15:04.07 (NO KILL) From: John Milligan To: Dialogue Fans Subject: COPY.EXT ALSO SEE: 418. To all Dialogue 128 Users There is now available (I have uploaded a copy to Dir 11) a two drive file copier that runs from within Dialogue - very handy! The file is called COPY.EXT and it works very well. It is a very small program - only a few seconds to download. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 417. 3-29-90 15:08.09 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: GEOS REFERENCE GUIDE ALSO SEE: 421. Hi Gerry, I think you mentioned about someone having photo-copied versions of the new Geos Reference Manual. Do you have any more info? I have just ordered from Berkely (from the flyer they mailed out) GeoCalc, GeoChart and IF it is Version 2 - Geoprogrammer. I read the fine print on the flyer with a magnifying glass and it does say something about 128 mode and 80 cols for GeoProgrammer. Let's Hope. You won't be at next Tuesday meeting, right? Are you going to ComputerFest. I hope to be there Friday afternoon, (Ray is coming with me, I think) - there is a presentation at 4 or 4:30 on ALEX, which may or may not be interesting. (Also, on Friday, your business card and the coupon from Toronto Computes gets you in free - anything to save 4 bucks!) John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 418. 3-31-90 8:28.03 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: COPY.EXT ALSO SEE: 416. Oh, WOW! Thanks very much, I've been waiting on pins and needles for such. Personal thanks for that. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 421. 4-02-90 22:50.19 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: John Milligan Subject: GEOS REFERENCE GUIDE ALSO SEE: 417. Sorry to be so long getting back to you John, but I do not have the GEOS Reference Guide. I saw it advertised by someone on GEnie or Compuserve, I forget which. I'll see if I can dig it out for you and post it here. I didn't go to Computerfest, too far to drive; read lazy! I will be writing my VHF restricted radio (marine) certificate exam Tuesday, so I'll have to miss the meeting. Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 422. 4-08-90 7:53.50 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Daniel O'brien Subject: RED FACE Actually, I found the slip but I appreciate confirming the number anyways. As explained in my message in Cat.1, I got trapped into going to a school (science fair) that I'd forgotten was on. Guess I could have called after, but that was after 8:30. It's complicated the picture a bit that I couldn't connect with this board all week til today. Anyway, if YOU still think I can help, I'll try giving you a call direct first on Wed. about 7:30. I'll check this base before then (I hope) for a response. Don't worry about the weather. We've probably got about 6 weeks, the way it's going. Keep smilin' Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 423. 4-18-90 23:21.46 (RECV'D) From: Howard Herman To: Daniel O'brien Subject: XLINK 2.1 ALSO SEE: 386. Daniel, File conversion, CBM <=> CP/M can also be done from within the CP/M sys, with any of several PD utilities that go under names like, RDCBM.COM, etc. Howie Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 424. 4-27-90 1:08.03 From: Michael Martin To: All Subject: CS-DOS HELP ALSO SEE: 425. I am looking for help with CS-Dos. I have been trying to write a menu batch file for my system. I was wondering if anyone had any real docs on CS-Dos or are the ones in CS-DOC15.sfx the only ones available. As well I cannot seem to be able to run any commercial software from either a batch file or text or basic mode...most notably Dialogue 128 or Basic 8. Are there some pokes or adjustments I have to make to make this work. any help is appreciated. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 425. 4-29-90 23:06.10 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Michael Martin Subject: CS-DOS HELP ALSO SEE: 424, 426. Hi Michael, I have other documentation on CS-DOS, from version 1.4, but the doc files provided with version 1.5 are fairly complete. The biggest compatibility problem is that Commodore 8 bit machines were never intended for 'shell' programs like CSDOS. The MS-DOS environment, and indeed CP/M, work quite nicely in this regard, using, respectively TSR's (Terminate and Stay Resident) ans RSX's (Resident System eXtensions). However, the native CBM mode does not have any set 'rules' for setting up this kind of program. Consequently any and all native mode programs compete for the same memory space. Sure, you can redifine the limits of BASIC, but that does not apply to any commercial programs. I realise that this is not much help to you, but you have to be realistic - not much, if any, commercial stuff will run under CS-DOS. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 426. 4-30-90 11:06.27 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: John Milligan Subject: CS-DOS HELP ALSO SEE: 425. I guess I will try reset the basic pointers. I really don't care if CS-DOS remains resident..in fact I expect it to dissapear. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 427. 5-05-90 19:05.15 From: Eugene Gibas To: All Subject: JIFFYDOS ALSO SEE: 428. Just joined the Jiffydos set with my C128. It set me back just over $100 cause I went the CANADIAN way ( read EXPENSIVE), but so far it looks like the best centavos I've ever spent on my machine. It blows away all the irksome COMMy bugs like the one-sector head shuffle that happens when you write to the flip side of the 71 disks. I could go on, but I'm sure y'all don't need to hear anymore about it. The RAMLINK device is now due out for JUNE. But as its been put back a couple of times already, I'd wait til then before getting excited. Sounds like a pretty good product. At a round number $200 CDN (or more), it sounds like a better bet than the old 1750 REUs. And it's expandable with RAMCARDS upto FOUR megabytes! Also, unfortunately ONLY for 64 users, if you buy it, you DON'T need the Jiffydos package to get all the advantages of Jiffydos itself. Can't imagine how they swung that one but that's what THEY say. Anyway, interested in any comments from ANY other Jiffydos users or abusers! CIAO! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 428. 5-07-90 12:57.16 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Eugene Gibas Subject: JIFFYDOS ALSO SEE: 427, 429. Hi Eugene, Welcome to the JiffyDOS set. You're wondering why you waited so long, right? Are you inferring that the RAMlink is only for the 64? Not so, according to everything I have heard. Also, while it is true that the RAMlink will include JiffyDOS, as far as I am aware, it won't give you ALL the advantages. eg - you had the old 1571 ROM, it sounds like, until you replaced it with JD. That would not have been corrected with a RAMlink version alone. There are, I believe a couple of other instances, but I cannot think of them offhand. Anyway, happy JiffyDOS'ing....... John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 429. 5-08-90 21:01.40 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: JIFFYDOS ALSO SEE: 428. Yes, I am wondering why the "#$% I didn't pick it up when I'd seen it at WOC last December. You're right. I didn't mean to imply that RAMLINK was N/G for the C128. It seemed you were going to HAVE to go through extra expense relative to the C64 to get to the same point. However, if as you point out, there are other handicaps without the JiffyDOS ROM in the C64, then I'm feeling better about that already. (Us 128'rs are getting tired of getting it in the ear, or is that with another 'R' in there.) Thanks for the message back! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 430. 5-14-90 23:48.55 From: Michael Martin To: All Subject: YET ANOTHER CS-DOS QUESTION Yes yet another CS-DOS quirk I have a question about. I seem to get an underline on the first line of a screen when using echo. Is this normal? Why does it do this? How can you stop it? As well the only menu I can make it do convieniently is one that asks yes and no questions. Is there some trick to using getkey and errorlevel I am not aware of. I would like to have a menu of 10 choices in a batch file and then be able to branch to any of the ten. I am determined to make this into a program usful for my purposes but it sure seems that it does not want to cooperate. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 431. 5-15-90 20:34.42 (NO KILL) From: Eugene Gibas To: All Subject: RTLB8.ARC ALSO SEE: 432. Has anybody has any luck running this program with any of the Basic 8 stuff here? Do you still need the BASIC 8 package from ABACUS before you can utilize this system. I'm looking for something to run at a future club meeting out here and it'd be nice not to have to invest $40+ just for a possible one-shot deal. Any help appreciated. Thanks! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 432. 5-17-90 8:50.15 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: Eugene Gibas Subject: RTLB8.ARC ALSO SEE: 431, 433. I have not tried the RTL file here but it should work with all basic 8 stuff. The problem might be in what VDC you have. A lot of Basic 8 programs assume you have 64K VDC which most c128's do not. I am a big fan of Basic 8 and would also recommend that you get the package....but only if you have or are going to install 64K VDC. It does support the standard 16K VDC but it is not as spectacular. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 433. 5-20-90 10:02.38 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: RTLB8.ARC ALSO SEE: 432, 434. I did have the 64K VDC installed by a dealer (apparently). I tried the MAVERICK "install" test and it passed that. But I was hoping to try it before I bought the package and found it was all for nought. Small odds that the fix was not successful, but I've had long shots hit me before. Can't imagine what I'm doing wrong, but I'll have to give it another go before I give it up. Thanks for the response, though! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 434. 5-21-90 22:01.09 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: Eugene Gibas Subject: RTLB8.ARC ALSO SEE: 433, 435. I don't know if you have tried the one in directory 13 here. If you did then let me know I will try and get you a copy that works. I think the one in directory 13 has been used successfully by other people. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 435. 5-26-90 8:10.58 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: RTLB8.ARC ALSO SEE: 434, 438. Yes, I did try the one in dir 13. I'm going to give it one more try as I has downloaded it to RAM then copied it over to disk after. That may have corrupted the file (I hope). Thanks for taking interest in my plight! Wow, when was the last time you'd seen that word? Bye for now! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 438. 6-01-90 21:11.15 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: RTLB8.ARC WORKING COPY ALSO SEE: 435, 439. Sure! If it's not too much a hassle, it would be VERY appreciated! There's also a couple of serious C128 users in our group out here in Brampton, I'm sure would be interested in also! Thanks again! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 439. 6-05-90 10:18.26 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: Eugene Gibas Subject: RTLB8.ARC WORKING COPY ALSO SEE: 438, 440, 446. I have just uploaded a copy of the runtime library which I got from GEnie last night. I checked it and it works. It will allow you to run all the demos included from the WIOS desktop. If you want to run something other than the included files then name it B8.name and it will appear on the desktop. As well this demo makes a demo disk of sometype if you run the make demo program. To just use the Runtime demo run "boot rtl". If you want to use another program without renameing it the exit the desktop then run the program you want. I forget how to exit but click on everything and something should do it. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 440. 6-09-90 7:57.57 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: RTLB8.ARC WORKING COPY ALSO SEE: 439. Thanks very much. Will give it a 'go' straight away. Owe you ONE! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 441. 6-10-90 11:29.10 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: BASIC 8 ALSO SEE: 442. WOW! It looks like a very good system indeed. Thanks very much for the effort. I guess the package is available through mailorder, probably adverts ioin RUN or GAZETTE. Will have to check that out. Thanks again! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 442. 6-11-90 12:59.35 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: Eugene Gibas Subject: BASIC 8 ALSO SEE: 441. To buy Basic 8 call either software support Int. or Briwall. They are reliable mail order companies and the prices are competitive. You will find one company is cheaper for some things and the other is cheaper for others. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 443. 6-14-90 19:16.25 (NO KILL) From: Ray Whidden To: Paf Users Subject: CONVERT CP/M TO MS/PC-DOS Hi all Personal Ancestral File (PAF)u users: Just a note to say I successfully converted my 300KB family database from CP/M to MS/PC-DOS format and the PC version of the porogram works most ly like the CP/M version. One difference while entering families/indivi- duals: you get an option to enter notes when you save the screenful of information. Also, F1/F2 do the same as ^Ks/^Kq. One huge advantage of the PC program is the PAFUTIL program, which has a relationship calculator, pedigree search that is not position sensitive, SOUNDEX search on names in the name file, additional printed forms/reports and genealogy songs with words (this is not up to the quality of sound C=64/128 users are familiar with). The relationship calculator will ask for two entries, then compute the relationship between them, except for married or step-relations. For example, 2nd cousin, 1 generation removed or 1st cousin, 2 generations removed. There is a reference to Genealogical Computing, for the technically oriented. The pedigree search allows you to enter a name(s) for individual or place: ie. Whidden Marvin and it will find Whidden Raymond Marvin, Whidden Marvin or Whidden John James Marvin. Likewise, Manning in the first location of birthaddresses will find Manning in birth place level 1, level 2, level 3 or level 4. If you wish to search for Manning in christening, death or burial place, you will have to add Manning to those field or do four different searches. If Manning is entered for all four areas (born, christening, death and burial), I expect you would not find a match unless Manning existed in all four areas. As well, the pedigree search allows selection of options by nmenonic letter, I=information, F=father, M=mother, S=spouse, C=child, O=other marriage, P=pedigree search or X=exit. Also, if you select I you see the usual information, parents, up to three spouses and the first six lines of notes for that individual. You may browse using the right, left, up and down arrow keys, HOME, END, ENTER, F=father, M=mother and S=individual's first spouse. The SOUNDEX feature allows you to find all the different spellings of any particular name: ie. Whidden, Whydden, Whiddon, Whitten, etc. You may also display ALL names. The print forms option permits forms to go to printer or disk file. You may also print the GEDCOM file in two formats: formatted or unformatted. Other options include a) cascading pedigree as many generations as you wish, b) list of family group records, c) ancestors chart and d) user defined forms (twelve forms included). Genealogy songs are of interest to those who have never heard PC music before. Others will note the comparison between machines they are familiar with and the PC and forge on with productive work. The Personal Ancestral File program can be obtained by calling the local Mormon - Latter Day Saints (LDS) church and requesting an order form. o I will leave a separate message in Utah for those wishing to order the program directly. The price was last known to be $35.00 US$ for the MS/PC-DOS version of the program (revision 2.0, the same as the CP/M version). This includes a comprehensive PC format manual of approxiamately 200 pages. The CP/M version is no longer supported by LDS. Novices wishing to use the CP/M version are advised to buy the PC version in order to obtain the manual. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 446. 7-04-90 22:03.58 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: RTLB8.ARC WORKING COPY ALSO SEE: 439, 448. Not sure if my message thanking you made it. Just in case it didn't - THANKS. Everything worked great; it really does take the C128 to the limit. Does (oops) DO any of the Basic 8 packages utilize that free ROM socket hidden away? If yours is so equipped, do you reckon that's the way to go, or are there problems that are not apparent to the 'casual observer'? If you feel like answering, your response and opinion would of course be much appreciated. Have a HAPPY, eh! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 447. 7-08-90 7:53.13 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: John Milligan Subject: PAF CONVERT ALSO SEE: 445. Hi John, Thanks for reminding me of the limitations of DOS S360KB disk format. Guess that is speeding up the "need" to get my own machine rather than using the in-laws. There are now over 3,000 names and over 1,000 marriages/families in my file. Having entered the contents of "Whidden Family of Nova Scotia", I am now looking at infor from the Latter Day Saints International Genealogy Index (IGI)<, available from the North York Central Library, located between Sheppard and Finch. To see any other LDS material, I'll have to go to their Family HHistory Center and get them to s end the appropriate fiche/film from Salt Lake City. NYPL also has the same material that Helen Whidden used to compile the book: New England Historical and Genealogical Register 100+ volumes. Looks like I'll be busy for quite a while. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 448. 7-09-90 7:59.33 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: Eugene Gibas Subject: ROM SOCKET ALSO SEE: 446, 461, 463. The empty socket was originally used by the first version of basic 8. You used to be able to buy it on chip and install it permanently however they had some copywrite problems and by the tinme it was rereleased this option was no longer available. I only wish I could have it installed permanently. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 449. 7-14-90 24:08.27 (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: Ray Whidden Subject: Z3PLUS ALSO SEE: 470. Ray, some time ago, you mentioned that you had the extended tcap to work on the 128 under Z-System; I would like to use the new vlib but don't know where to start. Can you help? Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 450. 7-14-90 24:10.21 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: Doug Purdy Subject: NEW STUFF ALSO SEE: 451, 455. Doug, how's the summer treating you? I just got my mew DOS for the CMD HD-20 in the mail this week. Features include full subdirectory support in native mode; they work just the same as MS-DOS ones. Also included is a CP/M utility to allow moving between partitions, and send Commodore dos commands. CMD says that they have been able to boot Geos from the HD using Maverick v4 (are you reading this john Milligan?). They have given specific instructions on two ways to do this. Other features and the time/date stamping of files, partition selection via the front panel switches to get around some stubborn programs, an 'add-drive' rpg to add SCSI drives to the chain. I will be testing this out shortly and will keep you posted on progress. Plus they added some utilities, such as file copier, disk id, etc. I'm impressed with the upgrade. Oh, yes for those interested, they've even got a Q-Link version for the HD included. Other than the fact that I'm on pins and needles waiting for our first-to-be-born, due Monday (so the doctor said)! As soon as something arrives I'll let you know!! Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 451. 7-16-90 21:55.18 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Gerry Moss Subject: NEW STUFF ALSO SEE: 450, 456, 457. Hi Gerry, when you get new stuff you don't fool around! That add drive is the really interesting part of the dos to me - always like to know it's easy to expand and you can't be held for ransome. Not that the JiffyDos folks seem like that kind of company at all. We're having loads of cash flow problems this summer though I think they should soon be much better. Nothing like having your inflow sources dry up or get delayed for a while to wake you up. My XTs seem to be falling apart. Now a monitor just went. May be forced to buy another. The C128 is still purring right along. Maybe the idea is to move the composite amber from the C128 to an XT and see if anyone's got a used C128 monitor for sale - at last I'd get to see 80 column colour. Know where I should look to find one? Keep us posted on the key new project. I hear delivering babies is almost as bad as debugging programs. 8-) Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 452. 7-16-90 22:57.29 From: Al Weinstein To: All Subject: CP/M TERM PROGS ALSO SEE: 453, 454. Dear All, Can you suggest a CP/M terminal program that is fairly unsophisticated but is known to work? I would like to get more involved in CP/M, that largely unused 1/3 of the C=128; and yes, I realize that it is old stuff but it is sufficiently close to MS-DOS (it was a predecessor) to warrant further use. I have tried to use Smallterm, aka CP/MTERM, which runs in 128 native mode but ostensibly downloads to single-sided CP/M 128 disks. The terminal mode seems to work very well, but when I select F3 for downloading from CRS, it just maps out a 1K block, but doesn't download anything. It terminates with a "Downloading complete" message (a final irony) but hasn't downloaded anything beyond the first couple of characters. Can you offer a suggestion as to how I can get Smalletrm to work, or suggest something else, perhaps a CP/M terminal program? I know that there are a couple on two TPUG disks, but they require other TPUG disks to unarchive, and the next meeting of the 128 section isn't until September. If I could only crack the downloading problem on CRS, then I could go ahead and d/l a real prog. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 453. 7-17-90 20:26.46 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Al Weinstein Subject: CP/M TERM PROGS ALSO SEE: 452, 459. Al, There are three CP/M terminals that could be of interest to you - MEX, QTERM and IMP. I believe all are available on CRS, the trick is, with all CP/M terminals to get one that is configured for the C128 (which as you probably know has VERY non-standard ways of doing things) Do you have a way of getting programs from CBM disks into CP/M? I know that there is RDCBM on one of the TPUG disks - it's not the greatest, but it should work to at least get a terminal program over onto a CP/M disk. Check the CP/M directory here, on Learning Experience, and see if any of the above are here, if so they should be ready to use. If NOT, I will try to upload all you need within the next few days. (Remind me if I forget!) Good luck, John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 454. 7-17-90 20:43.32 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Al Weinstein Subject: CP/M TERM PROGS ALSO SEE: 452, 460. Al, I just checked the CP/M directory (11) here - get these files - C128-IMP.ARC UNARC.COM (you need this to unarc the above) QTERM128.COM (this should be a working version) QTERM41E.LBR (get this for the .DOC files) RDCBM20.COM is also here, but if you don't already have it, or something else like it, it does not do you much good on a CBM disk! Let me know how you make out, or if you have any questions. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 455. 7-17-90 20:52.49 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: MAVERICK 4 ALSO SEE: 450, 458. Gerry, MAVERICK 4 is the version we used to make your boot disk. I don't know why it won't work if CMD says it will. We could try again. You said they had specific instructions - did we do something wrong? I tried that RUN companion boot disk maker. It is a cripple. I tried twice and subsequently screwed up the disk. Later I find that if you mess with page 1 of the desktop, it wipes out the boot files, neat eh? Good luck with your forthcoming happy event. (That should cut into your computing time!) John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 456. 7-24-90 23:37.10 (RECV'D) From: Joe Janakovic To: Doug Purdy Subject: NEW STUFF ALSO SEE: 451, 464. Doug; If you're still hunting for a monitor that you can use on the 128, I might have just the right thing for you. I'm selling a 1902A monitor (colour RGBI with a switch to select a 'green screen' mode) for $250. The monitor's in perfect shape. The reason I'm getting rid of it (and my entire 128 system for that matter) is because I've switched over to the MS-DOS world, perhaps, out of necessity since *MOST* of the business world follows IBM! Joe Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 457. 8-01-90 22:20.38 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: Doug Purdy Subject: NEW STUFF ALSO SEE: 451, 465. Hello, Doug. Finally, there's a break in the action here!! We have an addition to the household; her name is Lauren Alison, she arrived Tuesday July 24th at 6:38AM, at Toronto General Hospital. Mother and daughter are fine, and came home on Sunday. I am home from work this week, and is it busy around here!! I see that someone has already left a msg re a 1902A monitor, the other suggestion I would make would be the Punternet buy and sell conference, and Toronto Computes. Haven't had much time for computing lately as you can imagine. Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 458. 8-01-90 22:25.46 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: John Milligan Subject: MAVERICK 4 ALSO SEE: 455, 462, 468. John, I see Michael Martin is selling his copy of Maverick v4; I'll see if he still has it. As you probably saw from my msg to Doug, our new daughter is home safe and sound. The birth was quite an experience to be present at such an event is a real privilege. Yes it does cut into the computing time! Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 459. 8-02-90 16:51.17 (RECV'D) From: Al Weinstein To: John Milligan Subject: CP/M TERM PROGS ALSO SEE: 453, 469. Sorry for the delayed response, John...I've been away on vacation for a week and a half, and managed to pick up a rather nasty viral eye infection on the day of my return (actually, a present from my ever-loving, eager-to-share-everything wife). This means that my time spent inspecting monitor screens is very limited, as my eyesight is temporarily impaired. Thanks for the hintson looking here on Learning Experiences for those progs. Mind you, with the collapse of CRS, a large and valuable source of CP/M material has disappeared. Perhaps some caring, enterprising person interested in preserving these programs locally (did you get the hint, Doug?) will be able to salvage something from this mess. Thank you, again, for your kind help, John. I'll get cracking on it right away (or at least what passes for getting cracking down here at this end of the keyboard, which seems to be much fuzzier than I remember....another small price to be paid for never having trained myself to touch type). Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 460. 8-02-90 16:59.43 (RECV'D) From: Al Weinstein To: John Milligan Subject: CP/M TERM PROGS ALSO SEE: 454. I replied to the earlier message first, before reading this one. The same warm "Thank You" still applies. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 461. 8-03-90 22:39.16 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: ROM SOCKET ALSO SEE: 448. Is there no way to buy the package and then burn the EPROM by oneself, or with help? Unfortunately, I guess there has to be a BOOT program built into the code, so unless O"one" is a real whiz, this can only be a pipe dream. Anyway, thanks for the message, CIAO! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 462. 8-03-90 22:46.33 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Gerry Moss Subject: BABIES CUT COMPUTING TIME! ALSO SEE: 458. and that's just til their eyes start focusing. Then they start demanding time on the computer. Next thing you know, you're using a typewriter! Take some advice from those of us who've been down this trail (trial?) before. Take her visiting to one of the grandparents places. Then both you and wifey sneak out the bathroom window when they least expect it. Otherwise, your (time) share winds up being like mine, 7-9 AM weekends, whilst the little ruggers are still sleeping. CONGRATS, and best wishes for the newcomer! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 463. 8-04-90 12:10.35 (RECV'D) From: Howard Herman To: Michael Martin Subject: ROM SOCKET ALSO SEE: 448, 473. I've got B8 on a chip, and it's really not much of a time saver. It only configures the 128 for the B8RTL, and then any application has to be loaded after that. If you just want to be in the Editor, then its fine. I forget the exact load times, but there is only 1-2 seconds difference in loading B8 from the chip or from a #1581. Howie Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 464. 8-05-90 11:24.38 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Joe Janakovic Subject: NEW STUFF ALSO SEE: 456, 466. Hi Joe, just got your message today. It's been a learning experience managing the bbs from my C128. I might be interested in that monitor. It would work on both the C128 and an MS-DOS CGA card right? $250 is a bit more than I hoped to spend - a new 80 column colour monitor, no sound, is $250 plus $10 for an RCA cable to a getto blaster... How old is your monitor? Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 465. 8-05-90 11:31.22 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Gerry Moss Subject: NEW STUFF ALSO SEE: 457. Congratulations to you and your wife! Now you're going to have a "legitimate" reason for staying up all night. 8-) Hmm I used to have a program that turned the C64 into a "mobile" with music. Maybe you can get your computer to do some of the babysitting and give you and your wife a chance to sleep. 8-) Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 467. 8-07-90 21:40.47 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Joe Janakovic Subject: NEW STUFF ALSO SEE: 466. Thanks anyway Joe. Glad you got your asking price. Am having a little trouble finding a ghetto blaster with an input jack. May have to get desperate and pick up someone's old stereo. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 468. 8-07-90 23:03.34 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: NEW ARRIVAL ALSO SEE: 458. Gerry, Congratulations! Our youngest (of three) is now 14, so infancy is a faint memory. It is, I recall, a very rewarding, though frequently frustrating, experience. Good luck, John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 469. 8-07-90 23:07.29 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Al Weinstein Subject: CRS DEMISE ALSO SEE: 459, 476. Al, The apparent demise of CRS is indeed very sad. Though, it does look possible that some solution will appear. In any event, the CP/M software library will NOT disappear. It will perhaps be harder to track down, but it will be available. Ray and I have a good chunk of the older stuff, and the new updates will be available elsewhere. Mind you, the only new stuff in CP/M, these days, is really Z-system software, not the plain vanilla CP/M. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 470. 8-08-90 3:05.43 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Gerry Moss Subject: Z3PLUS ALSO SEE: 449, 482. Hi Gerry, Sorry for the lengthy delay but I have been typing like a madman trying to get 173 pages into WS4.0. Hveave 10 pages to go. Anyway, I just have a file with the extended TCAPs and have never worked with VLIB. Will track down the file and upload it next session. On another subject, though I hadn't logged onto CRS for a few weeks, sure miss being able to wander around their message base/conferences. Don't know how I'm going to get that fix now. However, LE has been as good a place as many. Gee, genealogy is sure a time consuming pasttime. Just like computing. Darn. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 471. 8-08-90 3:21.06 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Gerry Moss Subject: NEW ADDITION Hi Gerry and family, Congratulations on the recent addition. Like John, our youngest is a teenager and infancy a fond memory. Believe me, you're looking at the best part. I often wish they would be as cute and cuddly today as they were then. There is very little cute and cuddly about a 14 or 16 year old. Furious and strangly, more apt to come to mind. (That was supposed to be a new word based on 'strangle') Enjoy it while you can. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 473. 8-08-90 23:40.44 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: Howard Herman Subject: B8 CHIP ALSO SEE: 463, 483. I still think having b8 on a chip is a plus because you would not have to keep finding the disk and loading the program after crashes and so on. As well you might be able to fix it to autoboot somehow and have it upon turning on the computer. I would love to have it on a chip. Where did you get yours. Is it on of the original versions? Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 474. 8-11-90 23:16.33 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Gerry Moss Subject: Z3TCAPX.LBR Hi Gerry, Z3TCAPX.LBR is now in dir 11 - CP/M Miscellaneous. If you have any questions, leave me a message. I found that hi-lite was switched using the C=128 TCAP and couldn't fix it the way I usually use it so haven't done anything except experiment with the X TCAPs. Let me know if you put them to use. Also, a few newer programs require the X TCAP but right now, I can't recall which ones. None that I use frequently. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 475. 8-11-90 23:20.03 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Gerry Moss Subject: CMD HD OS UPGRADE Hi Gerry, While I'm here, what is the latest with the upgraded OS for the CMD hard drive. Sounded like you had a plateful but then I guess diapers are getting in the way. Let me know when you get to sleep through nights. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 476. 8-12-90 24:20.19 (RECV'D) From: Al Weinstein To: John Milligan Subject: CRS DEMISE ALSO SEE: 469, 480. Thank you for the reassuring words that the collapse of CRS will not result in a complete disappearance of those many valuable CP/M files, among others, which are probably very scarce anywhere these days. I do indeed hope that something can be salvaged from this situation; and inasmuch as I am one of the many who have paid-up but unfulfillable (is there such a word? In the midst of such a tragic event, who cares?) membership. I doubt that any subsequent operator of the remains of this BBS will offer to recognize the members who are clearly unsecured creditors.......but let's hope that someone proves me wrong---soon. Your work in CP/M, and the continued good stuff you and Rae have in the world of Z-CP/M speak volumes for TPUG, and your loyal supporters at the monthly C=128 meetings, which will be resuming in September (it can't hurt to drop in a plug for TPUG, right?). Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 477. 8-28-90 10:43.42 (NO KILL) From: Ray Whidden To: All Subject: UART RS-232 INTERFACE Hi, I have seen some references to the interface card for the RS-232 port that allow C=64/128 users to use Hayes compatible modems at 2400/9600 and up speeds. One is the Swiftlink and the other is the Hart cartridge. Does anyone have ordering information/addresses for these two units. I gather the price is $25-50 US$. Much appreciate any help. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 478. 8-31-90 18:52.51 From: Ted Nitchov To: All Subject: CPM ON THE 64... ALSO SEE: 479, 481. All, I've been looking through several of my magazines dating back to the days of 'Commodore Magazine', and 'TPUG & Torpet'. Two of the magazines mention a package for the Commodore 64 which contains a cartridge, disk, and manual explaining the use of CPM. It essentially is an emulator that allows CPM programs to run on the 64. If anyone has any information on where I could obtain one of these cartridges, please reply, as this would open a whole new realm to the life of my 64. T.Nitchov Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 479. 9-01-90 7:54.37 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Ted Nitchov Subject: CPM ON THE 64... ALSO SEE: 478. Forget it! If I remember correctly, CBM got fined for not delivering on that promise. I think they had a cartridge out but it was so quirky that it was basically inoperable. I'm almost positive none ever made their way up here into Canada through the dealer network. Save your effort for something more rewarding. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 480. 9-01-90 12:04.52 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Al Weinstein Subject: CRS DEMISE ALSO SEE: 476, 484, 512. Hi Al and all CP/M users and CRS ex-members, Seems like EX- is about to become ex-ex-members. Call the CRS answering machine at 231-4211 and hear the good news from Jud Newell yourself. Seems a guardian angel has put CRS back together again and the day the pumpkin turns back into a carriage is Sept. 11. The good news is that old memberships will be honored INCLUDING credit for the interrupted time. Let me know if you have any BETTER news this week. Regards, Ray Are you reading this, John Milligan? Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 481. 9-01-90 12:10.33 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Ted Nitchov Subject: CPM ON THE 64... ALSO SEE: 478. Hi Ted, You're not going to believe this but at the World of Commodore Dec 89 I saw one of those beasties in one of the booths. I couldn't recall which one or a name, but they definitely still are floating around in some circles. I don't know if the implementation would support the 1571/1581 disk drives as they appeared later and CP/M using a 1541 is definitely a bummer. It was not an emulator: the cartridge contained a Z80 uprocessor (u is supposed to have a little tail on the left side to mean micro- ) so it ran full tilt, if you think 1Mhz is full tilt. Definitely would be interesting at a decent price. Let me know if you find one. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 482. 9-01-90 20:33.45 (RECV'D) From: Howard Herman To: Ray Whidden Subject: Z3PLUS ALSO SEE: 470, 485. >...I have been typing like a madman trying >to get 173 pages into WS4.0. Phew! There are easier ways, and off-hand a few come to mind: [1] If you have an account on CIS, just Fax them to yourself, or [2] And probably a lot less costly, using a null modem, Fax them to a PC, and BBR128 'em to CP/M, or [3] Hand scan them to a PC, and BBR 'em to CP/M. And, <in case any developers are watching> now that we have easy access to mass storage, and fast rs-232 ports, a Fax card for the 64/128 would be a happy addition. :) Howie Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 483. 9-01-90 20:35.49 (RECV'D) From: Howard Herman To: Michael Martin Subject: B8 CHIP ALSO SEE: 473. The B8 chip I have is the first version that Patech (the original distributor) offered. When they released a new version of the B8 chip, the upgrade policy was just too absurd to bother with. The upgrade cost, $10, I think, was very accomodating. However, you had to return the original chip first, to receive the upgrade. It just seemed like too much opening and closing of the 128 case. Running a one block program enters the upgrades into memory. I quess this is why I just run it all from a #1581. Howie Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 484. 9-03-90 23:03.20 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Ray Whidden Subject: CRS DEMISE ALSO SEE: 480. Hi Ray, Definitely very positive news re: CRS. Almost sounds too good to be true, but I guess it will come to pass. This is the eleventh hour, but I have been trying to find out if there is a meeting this Tuesday (ie. tomorrow) - have you heard anything? John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 485. 9-07-90 24:21.16 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Howard Herman Subject: SCANNING IN PAGES ON C=128 ALSO SEE: 482, 489, 495, 496. Hi Howie, Thanks for the suggestions, however, I have a one-of-a-kind source document that I didn't want to tear up - almost an heirloom. One of the reasons I was typing it in was to be able to print a working copy so I can put the original, limited edition away. Wouldn't it be nice if the fax option became available on the C=128. On another topic, PocketWriter128 v3.x, I have created a cheatsheet for the control codes sorted by code and by command description, on one page. Would you be interested in it? Also, my printer driver for a KX-P1124 Panasonic 24 pin printer has the box codes for ANSI single line graphic characters. Also, I made a second driver with the double line graphic box characters. Would you or someone you know be interested? You made some macro files for PWv3.x. Did you send them to Learning Experience? I would like to get copies, if you haven't. Leave me a message and we will arrange something. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 486. 9-07-90 10:07.43 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Doug Purdy Subject: DESTERM V2.0 ALSO SEE: 487. Hi Doug, I just had a look at the C=128 file sections _3.13/14 and sodon't see De sterm v2.0. Hopefully you are going to upload/transfer it over. I expect to get the UART cart and a friend also wants me to get one for him but I'd like to get the new Desterm in the meantime. Guess iI will send Matt the s hareware fee (I have been a Dialogue128 user, so far but if they want another $50-60 for a new version, I'm afraid they lost me.) Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 487. 9-08-90 9:39.10 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Ray Whidden Subject: DESTERM V2.0 ALSO SEE: 486, 488. Hi Ray, Desterm still seems to be $25! But, I have the registered disks, not the bbs upload version. I think it said I wasn't to just upload my disks but to upload the bbs prepared package - could be easier to download, defaults set right, etc to reduce problems getting started. I guess I should call Matt's board and get the bbs version. Probably a good idea to touch base with him anyway and maybe arrange some sort of pipeline to him. Though if CRS comes on full blast including remote phone links, I guess that's one way. I'll see if I can get to him direct later tonight. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 488. 9-08-90 13:56.21 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Doug Purdy Subject: DESTERM V2.0 ALSO SEE: 487. Hi Doug, Now that you repeat it, I recall a message saying you didn't have the destributable version. Sorry about that. Hope you are able to get the shareware version. Appreciate the help. I'm having some difficulty with PostScript files created by Geopublaser/Geolaser patched with PS.Patch v2.0. See my message in conf 10, Commodore Users. If you see anything relevant, steer it my way. All the best on getting back to the books. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 489. 9-09-90 11:50.36 (RECV'D) From: Warren Pollock To: Ray Whidden Subject: PW3 ALSO SEE: 485, 490, 536. Since you asked Ray, I would be interested in what you have done with Pocket Writer 3. I don't quite know what you mean by a "cheat sheet" for the program, but it may be interesting. I wanted some time to make a double line printer file, but just have not got around to it. Have you tried to edit the "french.chrs" to get the double lines on the screen? This is also a project that is way down on my list. Anyways glad you are willing to share your efforts. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 490. 9-10-90 12:02.39 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Warren Pollock Subject: PW3 ALSO SEE: 489, 498. Hi Warren, A "Cheat Sheet" is those plastic covered layouts that fit around your keyboard with information on them that show key combinations for things you'd like to do: an IBM equivalent is the card you put next to your function keys with WordPerfect so you know which function key does what. Mine is a page with the key combos on the left with a description, on the right, the same information shows the description followed by the required key combo, sorted in description order. This solves the two problems: I think I know what the keystroke is, does it do what I want and 2) I know what I want to do, what's the darn keystroke. It prints at 12 cpi and 8lpi so is very dense but otherwise, it would be two pages, and I can never find the page I want. Re: foreign character set versus line drawing, I think PW3 uses the same area as I don't think you can do both. Do you have a Panasonic KX-P1124? If not, perhaps I should include the chart from the printer manual so others can see what was being done and can thus adapt it to their own printer. Anything to help out. Regards, Ray