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- INTRVIEW.WLC created 24-Apr-85 by Keith Petersen, W8SDZ.
-
- The following is an edited copy of an interview that appeared in the
- form of several messages on Ward Christensen's bulletin board. It
- offers some interesting insight into the life and times of our "CP/M
- Guru".
-
- Date: Feb. 8, 1985
- From: Ward Christensen
- To: Laurence Gonzales
- Re: Interview
-
- I'm a negativist, hater of life, and have a short fuse - it doesn't
- take much to set me off. That's why I'm into computers - its almost
- like a drug, letting you get so completely wrapped up in it, the "world
- passes you by", i.e. I've been known to have a bad headache or stomach
- ache, but an hour of computing, and I'm oblivious to it, until I stop
- for something. It's a totally engrossing way to "pass the time".
-
- What I do for IBM and why I like working there? Well, Very long story,
- but you asked for it. Lets go back to my Sr. year of high school. I
- "built" a computer - merely a 10-stage binary counter with phone-dial
- input, and some wires to handle carrying from one "flip-flop" to the
- next, and lights to show output, etc. After pi__ing away 3 semesters
- at a big university not being sure what I wanted to do with my life
- (still the case, by the way), I dropped out and went back "home" - and
- skipping a few chapters of the book, got asked that since I'd "built" a
- computer in high school, would I like to learn to program them? This
- was in '65 or so. I said "sure", and took a few IBM classes in
- Milwaukee, riding into school on my motorcycle. After a few months, I
- realized that I really liked computers - I was technically inclined,
- and somewhat a loner, and what better thing could there be? Sure, I
- liked going on motorcycle rides, but not in the winter, etc.
-
- Came time to go back to college, I talked with our IBM Systems
- Engineer, and asked what kind of schooling I should get. I hoped he
- wouldn't say "business degree", 'cause that turned me off. No, he said
- math, sciences, etc. So I went to a small college (now bankrupt,
- R.I.P.) and got a Physics Major, Chem Minor, and hit "deans list" 6
- semesters in a row, then took ONE job interview, IBM. I figured simply
- that I could either work for someone who USES computers, or someone who
- MAKES them, and the decision sounded easy if I wanted to be "where he
- action is".
-
- However, I wasn't smart enough to go looking for the best job in IBM,
- instead I just interviewed the local office, which was looking for a
- systems engineer - the "technical side of sales", i.e. doing
- configurations, performance planning, helping solve bugs, etc.
-
- I wound up in the Hammond IN branch, and have stuck with it since.
-
- If I had it to do over again, I'd look for a job in research or
- something more technically involved. Matter of fact, it came as quite
- a shock to find the IBM office back then didn't even have a computer in
- it! Here I was, working for a computer mfgr, but not working with a
- computer! I was only able to work with the customer's machines!
-
- So, I guess that got me interested in a home computer. I remember
- being interested in the very early 70's, and bought a Data General Nova
- instruction manual, got literature from TI on their minicomputers, etc.
- I learned about the 8008 in Jan '74, and taught myself TTL that summer,
- and bought an Altair, the "first popular" computer kit, in early '75.
-
- SO, long answer - what do I do for IBM? Well, I'm still an SE, but
- have moved up a few jobs - trainee, assistant, associate, se, and now
- advisory. We are just now starting to have PC's in the offices.
-
- As to my view of "IBM vs my personal contributions" - well, I guess
- that after writing a letter to IBM trying to get them to come out with
- a personal computer, and receiving a reply "we don't think there is a
- market for them", I kind of "went off on my own". For conflict of
- interest reasons, I decided that I'd give away anything I did, rather
- than trying to sell it. This is a very "conscientious", or whatever
- word fits - thing for me to do - people say I've passed up millions $
- in the many things I pioneered. But, I wasn't the entrepreneur type,
- and IBM paid well enough to finance my hobby. I'm sure it helped my
- IBM related career, i.e. outside recognition, etc.
-
- I guess I don't remember the Ted Nelson thing fighting to get the
- "world up in arms against the computer giants". I've seen nothing
- wrong with "computer giants" - thought I admit that when a company gets
- larger than some critical mass, it gets a "momentum" disproportionate
- to its technical abilities - allowing it to sometimes come out with
- products that would have failed if done by other companies - perhaps
- the PC Jr is such - having recently had new life breathed into it ala
- new keyboard, and significant price cuts (temporary tho they were).
-
- The kind of practical innovation that has come out of IBM has been VERY
- fascinating. I used to like to talk to fellow computer hobbyists about
- the printer we had that printed about as fast as you could pull paper
- out of a box; and about the 2.5 BILLION byte "boxes" of disk storage,
- etc.
-
- I always kept my hobby separate from my job - I didn't see how I could
- enjoy the hobby if it became the same as my job, but as of Jan 1, I
- knuckled under to that, too, and am now the workstation specialist
- (means PC's and terminals) for one of the branch offices in downtown
- Chicago. (which I really hate - being a small town "boy", the big city
- is really a pain!) But, having bought a house at a time that interest
- rates were low, its like having a rich uncle, what with what has
- happened to interest rates. It tends to keep me rooted in one spot.
- (I always was very conservative).
-
- Old Q's: "you were 29 when you got into this, right? And what
- background did you have to read TTL tech material anyway?" Yes, 29.
- And for technical background, I had a degree in physics, and even from
- a liberal arts college, you DO learn some basic electronics. Also of
- course remember I'd built this computer in high school, but still I was
- most certainly not one of the "jocks". TTL just came natural to me, I
- guess because its so mathematical in nature. Its as "simple as" 0
- volts being a "false" value, and 5 volts being a "true" value, and
- voila (or is it viola?) you could do things like and, or, exclusive or,
- not, not-and, etc - but instead of numbers on a sheet of paper, they
- were electrical signals.
-
- History on the micro? When did it go from switches on the front panel?
- I guess '76 or so - or whenever the apple ONE came out, and the SOL,
- which was a small machine based upon similar technology to the original
- Altair that is credited with starting it all. But then again, my
- current CP/M machine, with 256K, 3 floppies, and 8M of hard disk, still
- has front panel switches, and LIGHTS. I sure miss the LIGHTS on my PC
- - you can tell what its doing, how its doing, etc.
-
- When did I first discover I could "play" with a computer? Well, I
- guess that high school project was one. It was purely a technical
- challenge, and learning tool - had no practical application. Actually,
- I was motivated to spend the $$ to build it knowing I'd win first prize
- (I suppose I could be a bit less egotistical and say "hoped.."), of
- $75. Sure enough I won, but got a hand-shake and 'gee, sorry - we
- never got out to get funds for a bond' story. Owell.
-
- Then, within my first year working at IBM, the first customer I worked
- with was sufficiently impressed to try to hire me away, and a whopping
- 40% pay hike over what IBM paid - but I figured I'd be better in the
- long run to stay with IBM. Right! That company doesn't exist any
- more!.
-
- What "clicked" to make me excited about the fact of having my own
- computer? Well, I don't remember, sorry. I guess I just never found
- anything technically challenging enough, and realized that a computer
- would be a tool of unlimited variability that could do what I wanted it
- to do. I guess I was just a computer junkie, even though at the time
- there weren't home machines. I remember this customer (that offered me
- the job) wasn't allowed to trust me with a key, but they approved me
- sleeping over Friday night so I could use the computer Saturday. As a
- result, they got some results they certainly didn't get out of their
- own people - because I was willing to spend so much time at it. It
- really IS a "habit" - like a drug, etc. Why else would I be - as I am
- now - typing at after midnight, having to get up shortly after 6:00
- tomorrow, etc. It is just so completely unlimiting, I guess. Today,
- I was stuck in a VERY crowded elevator for about 6 minutes. Two of the
- people were claustrophobic. I say this because somehow my interest in
- computers is as inexplicable as the claustrophobia is to them - it is
- just there. I think because I was a loner, I never got interested in
- the more "humanitarian" things - never got interested in "partying",
- owning a boat, etc. I HATE driving - being very law abiding, it is
- unbearable to be placed in a situation of watching everyone else break
- the law, from failing to signal, to parking in two places, to speeding,
- - sitting home at my computer is perhaps a sign of "withdrawal". I did
- fall in love once, 1977, er, March, ah, March 2nd, ah, 8:30 PM (not
- that it made a big deal to me, heh heh). Believe it or not "my disk
- drives rusted up" as a result of that - but sadly for the wrong reason
- -massive depression because she was a "career worman", and I just
- didn't fit in her life. It did open my eyes to a lot of life, but also
- made me sort of "give up" - I look at it as both the best and the worst
- thing that ever happened to me.
-
- What did I do in '55 w/hen Chuck Berry and Bill Haley revolutionized
- music? They did? Was I building radios? No, I didn't have the
- ambition to learn anything that complicated. I just mixed chemicals
- together, and blew up the back yard, I guess. (take one part
- gunpowder, bury in 1 foot deep hole; bury a wire with fine wire wrapped
- around match head in it, cover with dirt, go in house and plug other
- end in socket, go back out and apologize to neighbors cookout for
- sprinkling dirt on them..
-
- "Get a job" was the first 45 I bought, and I didn't buy many. Came
- from "college educated" family, with sort of "snobbish" mother - when
- we got a TV, unlike everyone else who put an antenna on the roof, she
- insisted it go in the attic so no one would know we had time for such
- frivolity. I think they sort of turned me into a loner, too, by
- steering me toward the "children of their friends", rather than the
- local neighborhood kids, who were mostly factory workers' kids (not
- all, one friend's father was doctor, etc).
-
- I guess it was HeathKit that got me into electronics - I built their
- 16-in-one transistor experimentors kit my jr year of High School; Oh,
- also I think I subscribed to Popular Electronics. Later to Radio
- Electronics. You are bound to pick up some things from that, by
- osmosis if nothing else. I was even known to buy old used computer
- boards for two bucks fifty, and literally blow-torch the chips off of
- them to make my projects.
-
- --end--