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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Ewing)
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Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
Date: 1 Nov 1995 00:05:10 GMT
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In article <475amr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Ottolini) writes:
|>
|> Then take our own solar system as a disappointing example.
|> Life on appears to be on one of thirty planet-size bodies.

I think that's a very encouraging example! If one in
thirty planets has life, and planets aren't too uncommon
(no reason to think otherwise) then there are billions
of life-bearing planets out there...

|> and things crawling on the visible land
|> 5% of earth's history.

And every other place in the universe has had at least
as long a time to develop life in.

Greg


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From: ted <ted>
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Subject: Mode S dish...
Date: 1 Nov 1995 00:28:43 GMT
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..`Electronics World + Wireless World' (August 95) carried a small article
by John Cronk on a `high performance' antenna for 24cm.

Essentially this antenna was a parabolic reflector in the Y plane and flat
in the X plane, fed by a dipole/ref combination at the parabolic focal point...

Although I've only seen the Myers Mode S dish in a small photo in 73, I'd say
both of these antennas are similar. However the Cronk antenna had a very narrow
reflector ie 60in x 12in approximately (remember its for 1.2Ghz), scaling it
down seemed to give it a size narrower than the photo in 73 depicted of the
Myers dish. Also, the Myers dish appears to have a reflector construction
similar to typical `gridpack' microwave parabolic dishes... (Cronk used mesh!)
This would lead me to suspect the Myers dish is a linearly polarised beasty!?

This type of reflector had not previously occurred to me and I'd be interested
to hear from anyone with experience of this type of `dish', especially feeding
with a small helical element??

73 Ted VK1BL



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob)
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Subject: Re: Alt/Az Rotators - Controllers/Interfaces
Date: 1 Nov 1995 04:42:41 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Huecksteadt) says:

>I'm thinking about an alt/az rotator for APT satellite imaging.  While the
>cost of a rotator is high enough, the cost of controllers/interfaces is
>enough to make one think twice about it.  Does anybody know of a circuit or
>alternative to that of, say, Yaesu's?

Oh yes!  Even the tech rep at Yaesu warned me away from their RS-232
rotor interface.  There are a number of options for auto control of
a Yaesu G5400B az-el setup.  I use the AEA ST-1.  There are others,
most in the $200-300 range.  The AEA box has a plug that cables direct
to the 5400 controller, as well as internal relays that can control
other rotators.  Don't know much about the others, there are hot and
cold opinions about each.

GL es 73

___
Bob Scott  WY7O | Roses are red, Violets are blue
[e-mail]   | I'm schizophrenic, And so am I


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From: [e-mail] (Ronald G. Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Req: Current AO-13 Operations Schedule
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 07:14:24 -0600
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In article <473uoc$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob) wrote:

> Hi;
>   Does anyone have a current AO-13 operations schedule effective
> after 30 Oct?  I seem to remember reading that the transponders
> were to be shut off from MA60-140 due to prolonged periods of
> solar eclipse, but can't find where I read it.  The only ref I
> can find is a provisional schedule on the amsat ftp server that's
> pretty old.  Please post for all to see...
>
> Thanks
> ___
> Bob Scott  WY7O | Roses are red, Violets are blue
> [e-mail]   | I'm schizophrenic, And so am I


From Weekly OSCAR Status Reports: 28-OCT-95

AO-13: Current Transponder Operating Schedule:
 N QST ** AO-13 TRANSPONDER SCHEDULE ** 1995 Oct 30 - 1996 Jan 01
 Mode-B  : MA   0 to MA  70 |
 Mode-BS : MA  70 to MA 110 |  Omnis   : MA 230 to MA  25
 Mode-S  : MA 110 to MA 112 |<- S beacon only
 Mode-S  : MA 112 to MA 135 |<- S transponder; B trsp. is OFF
 Mode-S  : MA 135 to MA 140 |<- S beacon only
 Mode-BS : MA 140 to MA 180 |        Alon/Alat 180/0
 Mode-B  : MA 180 to MA 256 | Move to attitude 225/0, Jan 01
[G3RUH/DB2OS/VK5AGR]

--
Ron W5RKN


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:06 1995
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Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
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In article <476djm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Ewing) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Greg Ewing)
>Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
>Date: 1 Nov 1995 00:05:10 GMT


>In article <475amr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>|>
>|> Then take our own solar system as a disappointing example.
>|> Life on appears to be on one of thirty planet-size bodies.

>I think that's a very encouraging example! If one in
>thirty planets has life, and planets aren't too uncommon
>(no reason to think otherwise) then there are billions
>of life-bearing planets out there...

Unfortunately, the available data only shows that life evolved on one planet.
We have no idea on how many it *didn't* evolve (or, for that matter, on how
many it *did*) - only bad statistics can result from incomplete data.

>|> and things crawling on the visible land
>|> 5% of earth's history.

>And every other place in the universe has had at least
>as long a time to develop life in.

So? We still have absolutely *no* data regarding how long it takes on the
average, nor on what percentage of planets it's likely to happen at all. A
sample of one is *not* statistically valid, except to show it's not impossible.


>Greg

Bob C.

* Good, fast, cheap!  (Pick 2) *


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need help, I can't find any satellites
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In article <[e-mail]> Jay Pregent <[e-mail]> writes:
>I know this area is for Ham operators but I need your advice.
>
>I have just recently purchased an older (70Mhz) TVRO system.  I overhauled
>all the mechanics (Acturator and polorasiation servo).  The mast is true.  And
>as far as I can tell, the eletronics are all working.  I don't have a 4Ghz test
>signal to confirm this but all the operating voltages are there.
>
>My problem comes when I am trying to align it with a satellite.  I have a print
>out that gives the angles for my location and have tried procedures to
>align the mount and the offset angle for the dish but it doesn't work.
>
>Is there any advice, tricks, or sure fire methods of finding a bird?
>I have ben useing a protractor and a plumbob to measure my angles,
>Is this the best method?

You have a frustrating situation, and I can sympathize with it.
For your peace of mind, the first thing you should try to do is
determine if the equipment is *working*. You can use the Sun as
a known signal source for this. When the dish main lobe transits
the Sun, you should note a marked change in received noise (monitoring
limiter current is the best way to detect this). That'll tell you
the equipment works.

You can boresight the Sun simply by moving the dish until the
shadow of the feed horn is precisely in the center of the
reflector. Note, since almanacs can be used to precisely
locate the look angle to the sun for any day and hour of
the year, you can use this as a cross check to calibrate
your pointing indicators.

Another (much cruder) method of determining if the equipment
works is to take a piezo sparker igniter (available for lighting
gas grills and heaters) and hold it in front of the dish and
spark it while watching the TV screen. If the receiver is working,
you should see noise hits corresponding to the sparks on the
screen.

Now after you know the equipment works, pick a nice strong bird
with several active transponders somewhere near the middle of your
receiving arc. Use a compass, don't forget to allow for magnetic
declination, to align the dish in azimuth with the satellite.
Use a plumb bob and protractor to align the dish in elevation.
This gets you *close*. Now nod the antenna up and down in elevation
looking for a signal. If none is found, move the dish about 2 degrees
in azimuth and try again. Work plus azimuth for a while, and if you
find nothing, start looking at minus azimuth. Be systematic. If things
are working, you will locate the satellite.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Garry Bryan)
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Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
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Greg Ewing ([e-mail]) wrote:

: In article <473rc9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Garry Bryan) writes:

: |> Looking at these sightings and video's with the degree of commitment
: |> and backing that is going into SETI or Phoenix could reveal some more hard
: |> evidence that these are real, fleeting objects.

: What do you actually propose to *do* with these reports that
: hasn't already been done?

I am proposing something along the lines that Richard Caldwell would like to
see; scientists with advanced telemetry equipment, IR, UV, radiography and
high res FILM ( 70MM or IMAX ) stake out some of the hot spots and gather some
high quality images for analysis. Since visual sightings seem to be the norm
and not physical contact that is all we have to go on. Which is infinitly more
than SETI.

: Anecdotal evidence only gets you so far, because of the
: propensity of the human visual system and brain to
: misinterpret inputs. A photograph or video can be analysed,
: but you can't draw much conclusion from such an analysis
: without making a lot of assumptions about the conditions
: under which it was taken and the nature of the object being
: photographed - and if the object is completely unknown, you
: can't make any such assumptions.

As I stated before an objective, scientific inquiry into the most prolific
sightings;ie Mexico City, would yield controlled circumstances and not
assumptions and anecdotal evidence.

: At least SETI has a well defined goal and method to
: follow. If they find a clear signal that doesn't go
: away, they will have something to study. There's no
: such method for studying fleeting, unreproducible
: events that leave no substantial physical evidence.

It is an assumption that SETI signals are going to be clear and repeating. The
power levels required for interstellar signals that will be of sufficent
strength to be above background noise and in the region we are listening to is
a great leap of faith. The Drake equation has no solution, only guesses and
hopeful assumptions. We have only recently found evidence of other planetary
bodies orbiting other stars. Up until that point we had only hypothesis.
What I propose is to study these fleeting objects with the same intent as SETI.
The assumption that there are other beings using high power EMF is just as valid
as the assumption that UFO's ar ET vehicles. Both deserve study, but the UFO
field has been tainted by the govt. to the point that any serious study gets
labeled lunatic just because of the subject matter. I was surprised when SETI
got NASA funding because it certainly fits the lunatic criteria. . .

Garry (%^{>


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Hugger)
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Subject: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO)
Date: 1 Nov 1995 20:54:22 GMT
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In article <46v22v$[e-mail]>,

Brian Zeiler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>like the footage from Tremonton, Utah in 1950.
>..which was ruled by USAF investigating scientists to not be hoaxes,
>birds, planes, or anything known.

JamesOberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Gosh, Brian, if you are suggesting that the Tremonton film shows anything
>else BUT birds (despite what some enthusiastic but naive NAVY analysts
>concluded back in those days) you are even more helpless than I thought.

I have watched the Oberg polygraph/disinfo agent debate unfold.  Until this
above statement I had no opinion of James Oberg either pro or con.
Brian CAN get over-Zeilous on occasion, but for James Oberg to imply that
he is more qualified to identify the objects in the Tremonton film than
the best minds, resources, and intelligence that the NAVY (or USAF,
whichever is the case) had at the time the film was originally examined is
the height of arrogance.  Mr. Oberg would have us believe that the best
that the US military could offer was "enthusiastic but naive" analysts, and
equate the phrase "back in those days" with ineptitude and ignorance.

I'm sure that even "back in those day" people knew what birds looked like,
and how they behave in flight, Mr. Oberg.  The objects wobbling in the sky
over Tremonton in that (1952?) film do not bare any resemblance to birds,
or to their flight characteristics, other than the fact that they are airborne.





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From: [e-mail] (Roland B. Burgan)
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Subject: Re: Satellite Tracking
Date: 1 Nov 1995 20:56:54 GMT
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Is  this a Windows (3.1) based program, or if not, does anyone
know of a good satelitte tracking program for Windows. I'm
currently using STSPLUS for Dos, which does fine, but would
like t run in Windows 3.1 .
--


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Durham)
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Subject: Re: Need help, I can't find any satellites
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>Is there any advice, tricks, or sure fire methods of finding a bird?
>I have ben useing a protractor and a plumbob to measure my angles,
>Is this the best method?
>
>Jay, I don't know what kind of mount you have, but if you have good
visibility to the north, you can use a straight piece of tubular aluminum
and line it up with the North Star to find true north, (look through it and
center the star) then reference all the AZ readings to it. (You will need to
rig up a fixture to hold it in place against the mount while you are measuring
angles.)
 The vertical angle of the tubing also corresponds to your local lattitude
in degrees which you can use to check your EL setting.
 You could also take readings of true north using a telescope that has a mount
with graduations to read elevation and azimuth.
 You should be able to see a slight increase in the signal strength indication
when the dish is aimed directly (+- about 1 degree) at the Sun.
 If so, then with an ACCURATE watch,record the time while you see the
increased signal strength indication.Then measure the AZ and EL of the dish
and compare the readings to the headings for the Sun at the time you recorded.

 Hope some of this is useful to you and you get a good picture soon.

Ken  K5MBV  [e-mail]



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<< The objects wobbling in the sky
over Tremonton in that (1952?) film do not bare any resemblance to birds,
or to their flight characteristics, other than the fact that they are
airborne>>

Sure they do. If they are REAL "UFOs", when have they ever been seen doing
that same thing again. Geez, do some wider reading, get some perspective,
exercise your brain, don't believe ME or ZEILER or any single source or
point of view, and enjoy the debate.

And learn which newsgroups to post which kind of messages on.


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In article <46agrc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe LeSesne) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Joe LeSesne)
>Subject: STS-73 Sees UFO
>Date: 21 Oct 1995 06:08:44 -0400

>
>At 2:06 AM Eastern Time these exact words were
>heard by a female astronaut: "We have an Unidentified
>Flying Object."

>How do I know this? I heard it whilst watching
>NASA TV.

The person who posted this appears to have a 40-column terminal.

Coincidence?  I don't think so.....



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>
>At 2:06 AM Eastern Time these exact words were
>heard by a female astronaut: "We have an Unidentified
>Flying Object."


>For 10-15 minutes nothing else was said. When something
>WAS said it wasn't about the UFO. Don't sleep on this
>It could be a BIG story. Either:

Or

e) they saw something and they didn't know what it was. That's the definition
of an Unidetified Flying Object.



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Subject: Re: SAREX-Help! Houston NASA TV repeater
Date: 2 Nov 1995 04:09:24 GMT
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In <3seh00$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Taylor) writes:
>Which Houston repeater carries shuttle audio retransmissions?
>Tnx, Greg, KD4HZ

The simple answer - 146.64 Mhz.  the W5RRR 2 meter repeater.  I've
listened to it quite often when I'm in the Houston area.  You'll hear
bunches of hams who work at the Johnson Space Center on that repeater,
including some of the ham astros.

Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant  [e-mail]
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From: Brian Zeiler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO)
Date: 2 Nov 1995 05:33:21 GMT
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[e-mail] (JamesOberg) wrote:
><< The objects wobbling in the sky
>over Tremonton in that (1952?) film do not bare any resemblance to birds,
>or to their flight characteristics, other than the fact that they are
>airborne>>
>
>Sure they do. If they are REAL "UFOs", when have they ever been seen doing
>that same thing again. .

The last ten minutes of the compilation of amateur UFO video footage on
"Masters of the Stars" shows a daytime scene with background reference
IDENTICAL to the Tremonton film.  First there was a long, wriggly "wacky
space snake", and then 20 or so glowing orbs were seen moving
erratically, some wobbling and some hovering.

What do you know that the USAF Bluebook investigators didn't know when
they ruled out birds?  And don't say the "flight characteristics",
because the objects in Tremonton were moving far too bizarrely to be
birds.  No birds are so reflective, either, to glow white in bright
daylight.

--
Brian Zeiler




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From: [e-mail] (Albert E. Manfredi)
Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
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In article <475amr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In article <4720b0$[e-mail]>, Curt Prasky  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>[e-mail] (Adam Cole-Clark) wrote:
>>   Actually, I think the idea that life does not exist anywhere else is a
>>more far-fetched idea.  The universe is a mighty big place, and it seems
>>likely that ours is definitely NOT the only solar system in it.  It would
>>seem most unlikely that the Earth is the only planet in all the universe
>>where intelligent life actually evolved.
>
>Then take our own solar system as a disappointing example.
>Life on appears to be on one of thirty planet-size bodies.
>Life larger than some slime only appear in the last 10% of
>the earth's history, and things crawling on the visible land
>5% of earth's history.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

The sensible way to look at this is that this is one solar system of
100 billion in this galaxy alone. That's one in 100,000,000,000. And
we know that there are 100s of billions of galaxies. We also now know
that planets do exist out there, around other suns. At least some do.

So, no matter how slim the chance for life is, with that kind of
immensity one has to be awfully near-sighted to think there cannot be
life elsewhere. The sheer numbers make it almost certain.

To me, this is somewhat comparable to saying that Christopher Columbus
should have been being amazed to find living things in the New World.
Heavens why? The chemistry is the same. The environmental conditions
were pretty similar. So why think that life wouldn't exist in the New
World?

Bert
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Albert E. Manfredi)
Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Casanova) writes:

>We still have absolutely *no* data regarding how long it takes on the
>average, nor on what percentage of planets it's likely to happen at all. A
>sample of one is *not* statistically valid, except to show it's not impossible.

True, all true. But we have more information than that.

We know that the same chemistry we have here is also present elsewhere
in the universe, from spectrographic data. We know that Carbon is a great
element on which to base the complicated molecules needed to form life,
because it has the +/- 4 valence and because it is still relatively light,
which promotes stronger molecules.

We know that carbon-based, complicated molecules (i.e. "organic") stay
together in a certain temperature range.

So we have certain parameters within which we can speculate that "life"
might evolve (or, for those who must see this in a religious vein,
environments in which God could create life).

So, basically, the questions are these:

1. Do we really believe that in the unfathomable vastness of the universe
we are the _only_ planet with the attributes needed to support carbon-based
molecules?

2. Assuming that the answer to #1 is obvious to most people, do we really
think that we are so unbelievably lucky to be the _only_ planet in trillions
to have generated life forms?

Bert
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Greg Ewing)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Casanova) writes:
|>
|> Unfortunately, the available data only shows that life evolved on one planet.
|> We have no idea on how many it *didn't* evolve (or, for that matter, on how
|> many it *did*) - only bad statistics can result from incomplete data.

True, but it's just as invalid to conclude unlikeliness
from inadequate data as it is to conclude likeliness.

The original poster took some data - one in thirty -
and drew a statistical conclusion from it.
I was just commenting that it's not the conclusion
I would have drawn from the same data.

|> We still have absolutely *no* data regarding how long it takes on the
|> average,

He seemed to be saying that life has only developed
to high levels here very recently, therefore it's
unlikely to have happened at all anywhere else.
I don't follow that reasoning.

|> Bob C.

Greg


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From: Kory Hamzeh <[e-mail]>
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On 1 Nov 1995, Roland B. Burgan wrote:

>
> Is  this a Windows (3.1) based program, or if not, does anyone
> know of a good satelitte tracking program for Windows. I'm
> currently using STSPLUS for Dos, which does fine, but would
> like t run in Windows 3.1 .
> --
>

Try winorb, It's very nice and I beleive it's either public domain or
shareware, I'm not sure. It's ussually on ftp.amsat.org or oak.oakland.edu.

Kory



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Nope
they lost access to the dish to another customer

Gary Watts  de  N0OXV
Kansas City Mo
81 GL1100I


On 3 Nov 1995 Geoff@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote:

> Please has anyone any info on VE3ONT activity on 432MHz this EME
> weekend.
> Thanks for your assistance. 73 Geoff, G3TQF
>
> --
> Geoff, G3TQF
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (Ted Viens)
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In <47e896$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (JamesOberg)
writes:
>
>Zeiler: <<I agree that some birds are very reflective, but the USAF
>analysis was
>thorough and they ruled out birds for two sound reasons.>>
>
>What USAF analysis?
>
>Besides, don';t you think that UFO research has improved since 1952,
with
>the accumulation of a LITTLE more experience?
>
>You can always tell a fairy tale by the phrase, "Long ago and far
>away...". And lo and behold, UFO buffs love the stories that are from
long
>ago and far away. Coincidence?
---
Go get 'im, Brian...
---
--
Bye...  Ted..
Deep in the Heart of the Armpits of Houston, Texas...


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From: Brian Zeiler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO)
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[e-mail] (JamesOberg) wrote:
>Zeiler: <<I agree that some birds are very reflective, but the USAF
>analysis was
>thorough and they ruled out birds for two sound reasons.>>
>
>What USAF analysis?

Bluebook.

>Besides, don';t you think that UFO research has improved since 1952, with
>the accumulation of a LITTLE more experience?

Actually, public UFO research in military intelligence has ceased to
exist.

>You can always tell a fairy tale by the phrase, "Long ago and far
>away...". And lo and behold, UFO buffs love the stories that are from long
>ago and far away. Coincidence?

What does this have to do with the film?  I told you why USAF ruled out
birds and now you're blathering on about irrelevancies.

--
Brian Zeiler




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From: [e-mail] (GK Smiley)
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Brian, uh, hello. . . .Brian? I think what Oberg was saying is that it
wasn't the Air Force group that championed the Tremonton films, but a Navy
group. And you didn't even catch on that he had --again-- showed you up
for a spouting ignoramus. You are so darned SINCERE that what you imagine
happened REALLY happened, it's touching.


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From: [e-mail] (TS Kelso)
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Subject: NORAD Two-Line Orbital Element Set: Space Shuttle (95307.21971007)
Date: 4 Nov 95 02:56:41 GMT
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Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian, NORAD

The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, [phone], and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at speeds up to 28,800 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 73
1 23688U 95056A   95307.21971007  .00142886  14123-4  20849-3 0   602
2 23688  39.0118  23.8479 0007351   6.9784 353.1084 16.04274631  2194
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[e-mail]                   Air Force Institute of Technology


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (TS Kelso)
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Subject: NORAD Two-Line Orbital Element Set Format
Date: 4 Nov 95 02:57:14 GMT
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As a service to the satellite user community, the following description of the
NORAD two-line orbital element set format is uploaded to sci.space.news and
rec.radio.amateur.space on a monthly basis.  The most current orbital elements
from the NORAD two-line element sets are carried on the Celestial BBS, (334)
409-9280, and are updated daily (when possible).  Documentation and tracking
software are also available on this system.  The Celestial BBS may be accessed
24 hours/day at speeds up to 28,800 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no
parity.  In addition, element sets (updated daily) and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

==============================================================================

Data for each satellite consists of three lines in the following format:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
1 NNNNNU NNNNNAAA NNNNN.NNNNNNNN +.NNNNNNNN +NNNNN-N +NNNNN-N N NNNNN
2 NNNNN NNN.NNNN NNN.NNNN NNNNNNN NNN.NNNN NNN.NNNN NN.NNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Line 0 is a twenty-two-character name (this change is being made to be
consistent with the name length in the NORAD SATCAT).

Lines 1 and 2 are the standard Two-Line Orbital Element Set Format identical
to that used by NORAD and NASA.  The format description is:

Line 1
Column     Description
 01-01     Line Number of Element Data
 03-07     Satellite Number
 10-11     International Designator (Last two digits of launch year)
 12-14     International Designator (Launch number of the year)
 15-17     International Designator (Piece of launch)
 19-20     Epoch Year (Last two digits of year)
 21-32     Epoch (Julian Day and fractional portion of the day)
 34-43     First Time Derivative of the Mean Motion
        or Ballistic Coefficient (Depending on ephemeris type)
 45-52     Second Time Derivative of Mean Motion (decimal point assumed;
           blank if N/A)
 54-61     BSTAR drag term if GP4 general perturbation theory was used.
           Otherwise, radiation pressure coefficient.  (Decimal point assumed)
 63-63     Ephemeris type
 65-68     Element number
 69-69     Check Sum (Modulo 10)
           (Letters, blanks, periods, plus signs = 0; minus signs = 1)

Line 2
Column     Description
 01-01     Line Number of Element Data
 03-07     Satellite Number
 09-16     Inclination [Degrees]
 18-25     Right Ascension of the Ascending Node [Degrees]
 27-33     Eccentricity (decimal point assumed)
 35-42     Argument of Perigee [Degrees]
 44-51     Mean Anomaly [Degrees]
 53-63     Mean Motion [Revs per day]
 64-68     Revolution number at epoch [Revs]
 69-69     Check Sum (Modulo 10)

All other columns are blank or fixed.

Example:

NOAA 6
1 11416U          86 50.28438588 0.00000140           67960-4 0  5293
2 11416  98.5105  69.3305 0012788  63.2828 296.9658 14.24899292346978
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From: [e-mail] (TS Kelso)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: NORAD Two-Line Orbital Element Sets (TLE701)
Date: 4 Nov 95 02:59:13 GMT
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Keywords: Satellite, Orbital Elements, Keplerian, NORAD

The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, [phone], and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at speeds up to
28,800 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily) and some documentation and software are
available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the
directory pub/space.

As a service to the satellite user community, the most current of these
elements are uploaded weekly to sci.space.news and rec.radio.amateur.space.
This week's elements are provided below.

- Current Two-Line Element Sets #701 -
Alouette 1
1 00424U 62049A   95306.08294314  .00000053  00000-0  51831-4 0  1470
2 00424  80.4557 148.8206 0022588 265.3034  94.5531 13.67854459651155
ATS 1
1 02608U 66110A   95291.80248428  .00000117  00000-0  10000-3 0  9456
2 02608  14.6418 355.3831 0009155  78.5003 281.6366  1.00376633 22435
ATS 3
1 03029U 67111A   95306.56497017 -.00000126  00000-0  10000-3 0  4148
2 03029  14.8762   2.2123 0009801 259.6889 237.4074  1.00272575102480
Cosmos 398
1 04966U 71016A   95307.19005007  .00507502  10524-4  21632-3 0   786
2 04966  51.3823 277.1823 0268305 238.8954 118.5271 15.75238948846412
Starlette
1 07646U 75010A   95305.49920372 -.00000125  00000-0  13243-4 0  9259
2 07646  49.8275 331.1510 0206232 195.1633 164.3015 13.82189480 47338
LAGEOS
1 08820U 76039A   95307.17314505  .00000035  00000-0  10000-3 0  1470
2 08820 109.8525 308.2356 0044368 177.5154 182.5777  6.38664557199334
ETS-2
1 09852U 77014A   95302.32613183  .00000008  00000-0  10000-3 0   464
2 09852  12.9250  35.6040 0004824 100.8500 259.1717  0.99998827 15329
GOES 2
1 10061U 77048A   95305.44582412  .00000050  00000-0  00000+0 0  5941
2 10061  12.0305  39.7458 0011437 141.5201 204.0317  1.00269866 12140
IUE
1 10637U 78012A   95302.30509404 -.00000171  00000-0  10000-3 0  1827
2 10637  35.4103  86.8557 1340245  50.6503 334.8407  1.00292269 17617
GPS BI-01
1 10684U 78020A   95303.56698765 -.00000062  00000-0  10000-3 0  3984
2 10684  64.8961  30.6990 0062672 160.7150 199.5418  1.98069523114843
GPS BI-02
1 10893U 78047A   95298.22506795  .00000006  00000-0  10000-3 0  1943
2 10893  63.2678 268.5463 0225249  14.3001 346.2953  2.01627361128058
GOES 3
1 10953U 78062A   95301.36552131  .00000042  00000-0  10000-3 0  5575
2 10953  10.9979  42.6095 0006375 135.7149 216.9558  1.00371843 16710
SeaSat 1
1 10967U 78064A   95307.04063843 -.00000017  00000-0  38778-4 0  4407
2 10967 107.9964  64.7754 0002121 226.1029 133.9925 14.38065824908798
GPS BI-03
1 11054U 78093A   95301.94002863  .00000013  00000-0  10000-3 0  3608
2 11054  62.9737 267.0013 0045778 180.5832 179.3923  1.93505257124169
Nimbus 7
1 11080U 78098A   95305.13027161 -.00000060  00000-0 -16454-4 0  5409
2 11080  98.9783 173.0978 0008476 219.7392 140.3129 13.83701328859490
GPS BI-04
1 11141U 78112A   95305.19093785 -.00000078  00000-0  10000-3 0   138
2 11141  64.8985  32.7041 0049414  27.8837 332.4007  1.92894794 13460
GPS BI-05
1 11690U 80011A   95298.51975407 -.00000033  00000-0  10000-3 0  9483
2 11690  65.2560  32.4001 0148231 193.2950 166.3380  2.00568300129475
GPS BI-06
1 11783U 80032A   95303.83741870 -.00000006  00000-0  10000-3 0  1095
2 11783  62.4044 261.3976 0221091  29.4182 331.7923  2.03456670114149
GOES 5
1 12472U 81049A   95306.24821416 -.00000255  00000-0  10000-3 0  8906
2 12472   7.7772  52.5623 0006598  53.0394 306.9589  1.00226386 10811
Cosmos 1383
1 13301U 82066A   95303.50737199  .00000029  00000-0  16652-4 0  4463
2 13301  82.9294 302.9306 0027872 152.4835 207.7798 13.68069790665838
LandSat 4
1 13367U 82072A   95306.74197744  .00000024  00000-0  15191-4 0  7866
2 13367  98.1134 359.1379 0007748 120.9279 239.2680 14.57166116707395
DMSP B5D2-1
1 13736U 82118A   95306.00999694  .00000011  00000-0  23074-4 0  8798
2 13736  98.6276 133.0428 0008440 340.5497  19.5344 14.25760473668554
IRAS
1 13777U 83004A   95307.04261482 -.00000026  00000-0  11884-4 0  1280
2 13777  98.9663 132.3677 0013336   6.8119 353.3211 13.99245658321600
Cosmos 1447
1 13916U 83021A   95307.21833197  .00000022  00000-0  68657-5 0  5438
2 13916  82.9459 358.9179 0039663  64.6937 295.8318 13.74331535632566
TDRS 1
1 13969U 83026B   95303.33767721  .00000080  00000-0  00000+0 0  4894
2 13969   8.6060  45.9599 0002528 152.5809 182.0725  1.00262366 19065
GOES 6
1 14050U 83041A   95306.29051461 -.00000207  00000-0  10000-3 0  4604
2 14050   6.5996  55.8231 0004049  24.2540 335.7077  1.00319730103915
OSCAR 10
1 14129U 83058B   95301.79734081 -.00000147  00000-0  10000-3 0  3832
2 14129  26.4483 241.3041 5979377 321.7524   8.2043  2.05879727 65085
LandSat 5
1 14780U 84021A   95304.23652972  .00000308  00000-0  78410-4 0  3654
2 14780  98.1939 357.0280 0003901 171.3117 188.8146 14.57119064620440
UoSat 2
1 14781U 84021B   95303.01889508  .00000172  00000-0  36928-4 0  8378
2 14781  97.7874 299.2682 0012648 107.4750 252.7832 14.69392764623706
GPS BI-09
1 15039U 84059A   95302.32531950 -.00000056  00000-0  10000-3 0  3722
2 15039  64.5648  27.1480 0082034  18.7678 341.5702  1.92302267 82979
Cosmos 1574
1 15055U 84062A   95302.83697284  .00000018  00000-0  32439-5 0  7434
2 15055  82.9543  56.5616 0026094 267.0428  92.7741 13.73627402569227
GPS BI-10
1 15271U 84097A   95302.66013969  .00000005  00000-0  10000-3 0   724
2 15271  62.0996 261.8650 0157624 355.2797   4.5449  2.00605065 80627
Cosmos 1602
1 15331U 84105A   95304.10243188  .00000222  00000-0  23275-4 0  4285
2 15331  82.5343 328.5861 0020510 353.9643   6.1307 14.84686896598834
NOAA 9
1 15427U 84123A   95306.74592587  .00000050  00000-0  50282-4 0  4628
2 15427  98.9805   6.1861 0014033 237.3721 122.6092 14.13740215561493
GPS BI-11
1 16129U 85093A   95299.29958406 -.00000035  00000-0  10000-3 0  6856
2 16129  65.2350  30.5580 0155997  86.2243 275.5885  1.89368105 17474
Mir
1 16609U 86017A   95305.58692709  .00008513  00000-0  11833-3 0  3004
2 16609  51.6475 189.5725 0003481 289.0199  71.0389 15.57894225554373
SPOT 1
1 16613U 86019A   95306.84543624  .00000090  00000-0  62356-4 0  8668
2 16613  98.6365  15.0129 0000832  45.1875 314.9371 14.20075245188046
Cosmos 1766
1 16881U 86055A   95305.70309690  .00000229  00000-0  24792-4 0  3449
2 16881  82.5189  24.8808 0020428  15.0137 345.1679 14.83673455499960
EGP
1 16908U 86061A   95304.47606525 -.00000083  00000-0  10000-3 0   392
2 16908  50.0099 343.2356 0011600 148.2920 211.8616 12.44412809 87802
NOAA 10
1 16969U 86073A   95306.90871898  .00000026  00000-0  29220-4 0  3775
2 16969  98.5156 305.6369 0012637 302.6536  57.3425 14.24961572474230
MOS-1
1 17527U 87018A   95307.09214701 -.00000044  00000-0  00000+0 0  3121
2 17527  98.9645   8.7084 0016487 226.6120 133.3739 13.99187460443207
GOES 7
1 17561U 87022A   95299.25433054  .00000077  00000-0  10000-3 0  6051
2 17561   2.5961  71.2332 0001464 316.5343 323.3634  1.00285514 14941
Kvant-1
1 17845U 87030A   95307.12647714  .00004226  00000-0  62065-4 0  4250
2 17845  51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019  79.9243 15.57915226488723
DMSP B5D2-3
1 18123U 87053A   95306.75775135 -.00000007  00000-0  18854-4 0  2015
2 18123  98.7767 135.7337 0013751 180.1898 179.9268 14.15422776432327
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   95307.08812857  .00000023  00000-0  85070-5 0  1293
2 18129  82.9250 316.4000 0013431  66.2758 293.9801 13.72358256419029
Meteor 2-16
1 18312U 87068A   95303.71118226  .00000071  00000-0  49919-4 0  4351
2 18312  82.5581 174.8873 0012789 140.5988 219.6102 13.84064953414290
Meteor 2-17
1 18820U 88005A   95307.23032574  .00000068  00000-0  47365-4 0  7654
2 18820  82.5400 227.6288 0015244 201.3514 158.7017 13.84745716392118
DMSP B5D2-4
1 18822U 88006A   95307.09956733  .00000003  00000-0  19543-4 0  1068
2 18822  98.3911 144.8538 0005993 318.4796  41.5926 14.23169705402271
Glonass 34
1 19163U 88043A   95302.71192661  .00000062  00000-0  10000-3 0   268
2 19163  65.1779  93.6436 0008155 145.9199 214.1276  2.13102482 57306
Glonass 36
1 19165U 88043C   95305.58409940  .00000055  00000-0  10000-3 0  4366
2 19165  65.1636  93.5078 0000453 228.3175 131.6784  2.13102183 57983
METEOSAT 3
1 19215U 88051A   95306.24278988 -.00000286  00000-0  10000-3 0  2108
2 19215   2.7857  68.9339 0001219 176.7327 173.6122  1.00267929 14950
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   95304.38706202  .00000239  00000-0  15756-3 0  1038
2 19216  57.4524 155.7574 7338361  22.7620 357.7609  2.09721719 25026
OKEAN 1
1 19274U 88056A   95305.03409041  .00000227  00000-0  25343-4 0   446
2 19274  82.5138 126.0841 0019868 152.7887 207.4360 14.82403883395420
Meteor 3-2
1 19336U 88064A   95306.24867034  .00000051  00000-0  10000-3 0  4349
2 19336  82.5433 327.7290 0018426  87.2509 273.0728 13.16975438349474
Glonass 39
1 19503U 88085C   95304.20529182 -.00000029  00000-0  10000-3 0  3289
2 19503  65.6563 332.4718 0007757 168.4717 191.6010  2.13101814 55446
NOAA 11
1 19531U 88089A   95306.87400871 -.00000022  00000-0  13607-4 0  2720
2 19531  99.1963 313.9720 0011637 155.0186 205.1551 14.13069259366348
TDRS 2
1 19548U 88091B   95304.82208119 -.00000209  00000-0  10000-3 0  1533
2 19548   2.0551  71.6208 0008648 157.6215 191.8858  1.00271769 13220
Glonass 40
1 19749U 89001A   95300.02000977  .00000051  00000-0  10000-3 0  5424
2 19749  65.1077  93.2740 0005202 272.4716  87.4665  2.13101504 52865
Glonass 41
1 19750U 89001B   95306.64497756  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  4537
2 19750  65.1380  93.1190 0008241 216.0616 143.8778  2.13101875 53023
GPS BII-01
1 19802U 89013A   95306.79443494  .00000071  00000-0  10000-3 0  1341
2 19802  55.2510 119.6928 0029030 174.1464 185.8970  2.00559886 49157
Akebono
1 19822U 89016A   95306.96604282  .00012017  00000-0  62841-3 0  5942
2 19822  75.1168 255.2642 3766386 277.2007  42.4945  7.88377389148744
Meteor 2-18
1 19851U 89018A   95303.00385320  .00000023  00000-0  78499-5 0  4331
2 19851  82.5146 105.4167 0012865 265.7575  94.2113 13.84398261336844
MOP-1
1 19876U 89020B   95299.91263106  .00000059  00000-0  10000-3 0  1475
2 19876   1.4792  72.8385 0008398 178.3286 122.2763  1.00270022  4339
TDRS 3
1 19883U 89021B   95303.59265938 -.00000282  00000-0  10000-3 0  1333
2 19883   0.1257  72.7593 0005078 152.8839 345.1424  1.00268326  2963
GPS BII-02
1 20061U 89044A   95306.13554081 -.00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  1347
2 20061  54.3400 295.7983 0149048 216.2838 142.6506  2.00562703 46881
Nadezhda 1
1 20103U 89050A   95306.84092215  .00000028  00000-0  14338-4 0  5711
2 20103  82.9562 276.3267 0037286 329.2470  30.6502 13.73859313317466
GPS BII-03
1 20185U 89064A   95305.47408231  .00000072  00000-0  10000-3 0  1540
2 20185  54.9946 120.2191 0018110 346.5978  13.3827  2.00563656 45448
GMS 4
1 20217U 89070A   95302.58220972 -.00000379  00000-0  10000-3 0  2638
2 20217   1.3038  76.0215 0001497 356.2836 295.0749  1.00273464 23091
INTERCOSMOS 24
1 20261U 89080A   95303.39198075  .00000293  00000-0  87500-4 0  4508
2 20261  82.5932  58.1328 1241870 206.3928 146.8431 12.47291660277137
GPS BII-04
1 20302U 89085A   95306.01184243 -.00000061  00000-0  10000-3 0  1481
2 20302  53.3095 235.7736 0013494 152.6636 207.3798  2.00560059 44255
Meteor 3-3
1 20305U 89086A   95307.01339003  .00000044  00000-0  10000-3 0  4250
2 20305  82.5446 281.6342 0007602 132.8836 227.2935 13.04420674288585
COBE
1 20322U 89089A   95303.10687881  .00000317  00000-0  23064-3 0  1623
2 20322  98.9549 317.1069 0009495 323.0259  37.0251 14.03455877304518
Kvant-2
1 20335U 89093A   95307.12647714  .00004226  00000-0  62065-4 0  4226
2 20335  51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019  79.9243 15.57915226337735
GPS BII-05
1 20361U 89097A   95304.52686394 -.00000027  00000-0  10000-3 0  9858
2 20361  55.8753  62.3640 0081044 128.1152 232.5079  2.00564862 33709
COSMOS 2054 (Altair-1)
1 20391U 89101A   95305.40496821 -.00000144  00000-0  10000-3 0  2403
2 20391   3.4019  64.9873 0003386 117.0545 348.2334  1.00271029 21703
SPOT 2
1 20436U 90005A   95304.22738716  .00000169  00000-0  10000-3 0  9907
2 20436  98.7229  16.4997 0001098  20.7262 339.3925 14.20033794299206
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   95304.25425534  .00000023  00000-0  25958-4 0  1362
2 20437  98.5619  26.3949 0010870 153.7856 206.3875 14.29901532301191
UO-15
1 20438U 90005C   95306.73786992 -.00000009  00000-0  13639-4 0  9339
2 20438  98.5556  27.1473 0009932 151.3069 208.8666 14.29217210301435
PACSAT
1 20439U 90005D   95305.76024975  .00000024  00000-0  26334-4 0  9352
2 20439  98.5733  29.7345 0011069 150.5335 209.6471 14.29956317301420
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   95305.24539455  .00000044  00000-0  33657-4 0  9359
2 20440  98.5756  29.7527 0011273 150.8714 209.3095 14.30097885301371
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   95303.27137036  .00000015  00000-0  22759-4 0  9393
2 20441  98.5750  27.7677 0011552 157.8578 202.3103 14.30067983301093
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   95304.75361742  .00000027  00000-0  27378-4 0  9341
2 20442  98.5765  29.6344 0012310 152.8556 207.3271 14.30172780301325
GPS BII-06
1 20452U 90008A   95306.91721329  .00000029  00000-0  10000-3 0   937
2 20452  54.0199 176.0170 0060498  84.8707 275.9081  2.00555036 42257
MOS-1B
1 20478U 90013A   95304.69904463  .00000090  00000-0  10000-3 0  8561
2 20478  99.1367  11.8209 0001326  89.6132 270.5181 13.94861093212564
DEBUT
1 20479U 90013B   95307.17121731 -.00000004  00000-0  73537-4 0  9356
2 20479  99.0632  10.0435 0539925 278.3845  75.6408 12.83335595268781
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   95303.21245722  .00000001  00000-0  83485-4 0  8310
2 20480  99.0648   6.6578 0540069 287.7834  66.5059 12.83231577268261
MOS-1B R/B
1 20491U 90013D   95303.86291855  .00000424  00000-0  85504-3 0  1822
2 20491  99.0635  65.0409 0470682 113.6894 251.4331 13.02990972271868
LACE
1 20496U 90015A   95305.56328521  .00001465  00000-0  50513-4 0  5923
2 20496  43.1060  67.8478 0009607   8.3452 351.7681 15.35021357318680
Nadezhda 2
1 20508U 90017A   95306.76831172  .00000058  00000-0  46040-4 0  5706
2 20508  82.9538  50.9401 0043324 279.4226  80.2033 13.73500265284674
OKEAN 2
1 20510U 90018A   95303.40765857  .00000191  00000-0  22916-4 0  4527
2 20510  82.5219  80.2206 0019818 358.5576   1.5561 14.78539414305575
GPS BII-07
1 20533U 90025A   95305.32875305 -.00000035  00000-0  10000-3 0  1124
2 20533  54.7078 296.5044 0046134  76.8856 283.6335  2.00572006 40998
PegSat
1 20546U 90028A   95306.76281787  .00007425  00000-0  14613-3 0  8596
2 20546  94.1255 222.9085 0063531 161.2708 199.1088 15.45074288309862
HST
1 20580U 90037B   95305.39294525  .00000426  00000-0  26945-4 0  7322
2 20580  28.4696 249.1483 0006218 302.6869  57.3113 14.90961600104409
MACSAT 2
1 20608U 90043B   95306.67726996  .00000144  00000-0  21680-4 0  1360
2 20608  89.9322 175.3397 0107581 130.1520 230.9176 14.64873552292983
Glonass 44
1 20619U 90045A   95306.95810387 -.00000026  00000-0  10000-3 0  2390
2 20619  65.2528 331.7278 0025692 208.9945 150.9163  2.13102442 42460
Glonass 45
1 20620U 90045B   95306.13830318 -.00000026  00000-0  10000-3 0  2400
2 20620  65.2561 331.7515 0007760  48.2392 311.8821  2.13102550 42481
Glonass 46
1 20621U 90045C   95305.26672009 -.00000027  00000-0  10000-3 0  8345
2 20621  65.2752 331.8385 0011313 196.2299 163.7865  2.13101850 42461
Kristall
1 20635U 90048A   95307.12647714  .00004226  00000-0  62065-4 0  2140
2 20635  51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019  79.9243 15.57915226308567
ROSAT
1 20638U 90049A   95305.28992372  .00000377  00000-0  43587-4 0  5045
2 20638  52.9907 249.7810 0013987 147.4144 212.7712 15.07287805297796
Meteor 2-19
1 20670U 90057A   95303.66876415 -.00000009  00000-0 -21270-4 0  9334
2 20670  82.5501 170.9641 0015773 176.4232 183.7044 13.84150057269855
CRRES
1 20712U 90065A   95305.90706335  .00000473  00000-0  60446-3 0  1806
2 20712  18.1440 343.3500 7192749 206.9714  82.5332  2.35628642 37739
GPS BII-08
1 20724U 90068A   95305.65125599  .00000070  00000-0  10000-3 0  9601
2 20724  54.8921 117.8434 0122630 175.5892 184.5614  2.00565025 36862
Feng Yun1-2
1 20788U 90081A   95307.05047280 -.00000027  00000-0  10000-4 0  6265
2 20788  98.8085 315.3665 0016477  55.2766 304.9867 14.01288789264287
Meteor 2-20
1 20826U 90086A   95306.84481393  .00000009  00000-0 -52221-5 0  9452
2 20826  82.5204 105.2342 0014901  75.1277 285.1536 13.83617154257409
GPS BII-09
1 20830U 90088A   95304.70306220 -.00000033  00000-0  10000-3 0  9721
2 20830  55.7969  60.3428 0067181 100.3532 260.4125  2.00558118 37488
GPS BIIA-10
1 20959U 90103A   95302.61428474  .00000058  00000-0  10000-3 0  9338
2 20959  55.0883 119.9831 0101580 230.4896 128.6578  2.00569638 36033
DMSP B5D2-5
1 20978U 90105A   95306.69380698  .00000117  00000-0  57024-4 0  3998
2 20978  98.6271  14.3624 0079725 120.8073 240.0967 14.32594402257143
Glonass 47
1 21006U 90110A   95305.76082080  .00000050  00000-0  10000-3 0  8070
2 21006  65.1103  92.4244 0057986 186.3994 173.5269  2.13102714 38147
Glonass 48
1 21007U 90110B   95302.66549679  .00000060  00000-0  10000-3 0  9307
2 21007  65.1303  92.5982 0036047 177.6933 182.3226  2.13101157 38063
Glonass 49
1 21008U 90110C   95305.84250922  .00000050  00000-0  00000+0 0  1453
2 21008  65.0960  92.4426 0008244 265.6820  94.2229  2.13098518 38122
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   95306.90012289  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0  6462
2 21087  82.9395 129.9330 0036146 117.5703 242.9132 13.74560857238784
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   95305.17473946  .00000067  00000-0  54839-4 0  8412
2 21089  82.9229 359.1848 0029243 147.7249 212.5694 13.74062012237586
MOP-2
1 21140U 91015B   95304.10027199 -.00000025  00000-0  10000-3 0  1145
2 21140   0.0911  31.8628 0005695 358.6198  44.1740  1.00279248 19300
Nadezhda 3
1 21152U 91019A   95306.88156057  .00000078  00000-0  67527-4 0  2612
2 21152  82.9226 314.1503 0040642 254.9313 104.7357 13.73525608232545
Glonass 50
1 21216U 91025A   95305.31044628 -.00000027  00000-0  10000-3 0  4527
2 21216  65.0079 331.4070 0006003 206.2665 153.7537  2.13102844 35649
Glonass 51
1 21217U 91025B   95306.31853025 -.00000027  00000-0  10000-3 0  8577
2 21217  64.9895 331.3749 0007693 212.8827 147.1289  2.13101549 35658
Glonass 52
1 21218U 91025C   95301.26792809 -.00000028  00000-0  10000-3 0  3328
2 21218  64.9920 331.5204 0007753 300.6477  59.3333  2.13102712 35556
GRO
1 21225U 91027B   95307.20545806  .00003023  00000-0  60099-4 0  3096
2 21225  28.4616 326.9467 0003421 164.7558 195.3181 15.43253305134821
Meteor 3-4
1 21232U 91030A   95306.14467027  .00000050  00000-0  10000-3 0  8445
2 21232  82.5449 174.0180 0014118  15.2615 344.8933 13.16469602217530
NOAA 12
1 21263U 91032A   95306.82008718  .00000077  00000-0  53497-4 0  6977
2 21263  98.5786 327.2673 0011950 213.0667 146.9765 14.22570761232134
OKEAN 3
1 21397U 91039A   95305.18141496  .00000248  00000-0  32291-4 0  1436
2 21397  82.5249 352.0933 0024811  62.9427 297.4305 14.76421584237571
GPS BIIA-11
1 21552U 91047A   95306.87424127 -.00000060  00000-0  10000-6 0  9077
2 21552  56.0906  58.0053 0067634 243.5189 115.7771  2.00556191 31712
ERS-1
1 21574U 91050A   95305.74565867  .00000032  00000-0  27960-4 0  2158
2 21574  98.5480  18.0916 0001121  66.6932 293.4369 14.32251826224746
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   95305.17967097  .00000042  00000-0  28488-4 0  6417
2 21575  98.3821  13.0197 0006601 232.8509 127.2063 14.36997407225174
ORBCOMM-X
1 21576U 91050C   95304.20919915  .00000045  00000-0  30087-4 0  7363
2 21576  98.3803  10.3270 0002914 252.9967 107.0894 14.36407428224931
TUBSAT-A
1 21577U 91050D   95305.17143558  .00000033  00000-0  25620-4 0  6355
2 21577  98.3800  11.8160 0005453 236.4562 123.6110 14.36498724225106
SARA
1 21578U 91050E   95303.20593001  .00000312  00000-0  11471-3 0  8350
2 21578  98.4040  16.2149 0003989 236.7449 123.3345 14.39084921225110
TDRS 4
1 21639U 91054B   95303.00000000  .00000068  00000-0  10000-3 0  9606
2 21639   0.0433  65.6740 0001633 139.9215  17.9352  1.00271392109578
Meteor 3-5
1 21655U 91056A   95305.96621581  .00000051  00000-0  10000-3 0  8427
2 21655  82.5517 121.6575 0014365  24.0849 336.0927 13.16842784202639
UARS
1 21701U 91063B   95306.42252790 -.00000101  00000-0  12282-4 0  7141
2 21701  56.9815 302.7089 0005368 105.7361 254.4271 14.96446812226269
DMSP B5D2-6
1 21798U 91082A   95306.88280824  .00000017  00000-0  32499-4 0   495
2 21798  98.9590 318.9286 0012841 148.3085 211.8863 14.13925216202806
Glonass 53
1 21853U 92005A   95303.35677085  .00000060  00000-0  10000-3 0   470
2 21853  65.0472  92.1824 0007483 193.3613 166.6200  2.13102283 29205
Glonass 54
1 21854U 92005B   95303.64556169  .00000060  00000-0  10000-3 0  2069
2 21854  65.0497  92.1646 0015216  22.2285 337.8308  2.13103860 29194
Glonass 55
1 21855U 92005C   95305.11843823  .00000055  00000-0  00000+0 0  1990
2 21855  65.0535  92.1186 0008168 194.7203 165.2598  2.13101971 29218
JERS-1
1 21867U 92007A   95306.38752815  .00000062  00000-0  10000-4 0  7052
2 21867  97.7107  21.6695 0001538  80.1665 279.9103 14.98630991203746
GPS BIIA-12
1 21890U 92009A   95303.84346331 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0  7164
2 21890  53.8720 236.1413 0056670 187.3725 172.5444  2.00566806 27025
GPS BIIA-13
1 21930U 92019A   95307.04278066 -.00000084  00000-0  10000-3 0  7033
2 21930  55.7242 357.7173 0035357 183.4784 176.5500  2.00560710 26017
EUVE
1 21987U 92031A   95305.15478021  .00000980  00000-0  35498-4 0  4953
2 21987  28.4312 282.5881 0009702  66.1962 293.9668 15.19507484188803
SAMPEX
1 22012U 92038A   95303.23406401  .00000691  00000-0  58240-4 0  6704
2 22012  81.6724   3.1362 0117322 205.7047 153.8307 14.91497822180804
GPS BIIA-14
1 22014U 92039A   95304.58942936  .00000007  00000-0  00000+0 0  6004
2 22014  54.8420 177.7430 0091581 320.4052  38.9081  2.00564710 17803
Glonass 56
1 22056U 92047A   95305.95616579 -.00000027  00000-0  00000+0 0  1099
2 22056  64.8408 331.4695 0006896 265.2421  94.7331  2.13103287 25325
Glonass 57
1 22057U 92047B   95305.31329637 -.00000028  00000-0  00000+0 0   995
2 22057  64.8506 331.5217 0007224 305.3578  54.6288  2.13102591 25289
Glonass 58
1 22058U 92047C   95304.31461061 -.00000029  00000-0  10000-3 0   551
2 22058  64.8275 331.5463 0008663 259.1888 100.7658  2.13103169 25314
TOPEX
1 22076U 92052A   95305.14570884 -.00000038  00000-0  10000-3 0  9170
2 22076  66.0410 328.4014 0007818 259.6734 100.3394 12.80930314150780
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   95307.22039726 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0  5329
2 22077  66.0838 304.6718 0001102  14.3229 345.7817 12.86293035151613
S80/T
1 22078U 92052C   95305.48498116 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0  5294
2 22078  66.0849 307.0545 0002525  37.4466 322.6730 12.86576922151471
GPS BIIA-15
1 22108U 92058A   95307.04445966 -.00000064  00000-0  10000-3 0  6508
2 22108  54.1009 236.8178 0116262 153.7625 206.8433  2.00554151 23033
FREJA
1 22161U 92064A   95306.91567599 -.00000184  00000-0 -26360-4 0  5584
2 22161  62.9887  97.2588 0821804 358.7661   1.1312 13.21856044148388
LAGEOS II
1 22195U 92070B   95306.83045458 -.00000009  00000-0  10000-3 0  4435
2 22195  52.6371 135.3540 0137761 337.2806  22.1704  6.47294163 71556
GPS BIIA-16
1 22231U 92079A   95306.72985486  .00000023  00000-0  10000-3 0  6164
2 22231  54.6727 178.8623 0034565 283.2380  76.4638  2.00558942 21605
GPS BIIA-17
1 22275U 92089A   95304.88448921  .00000011  00000-0  10000-3 0  6433
2 22275  54.6315 176.4111 0040030 251.8499 107.8084  2.00569506 20979
TDRS 5
1 22314U 93003B   95307.16829528 -.00000293  00000-0  10000-3 0  5762
2 22314   2.1573  70.9636 0003746 180.0752 165.6028  1.00263965 10300
GPS BIIA-18
1 22446U 93007A   95304.95247618 -.00000034  00000-0  10000-3 0  6304
2 22446  54.3555 296.6981 0084282 353.3371   6.5544  2.00570687 19961
Glonass 59
1 22512U 93010A   95306.64322594  .00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0  7436
2 22512  65.0391  91.9326 0006188 176.5708 183.4208  2.13101962 20840
Glonass 60
1 22513U 93010B   95304.23583326  .00000059  00000-0  00000+0 0  8250
2 22513  65.0564  92.0163 0007834 184.7409 175.2535  2.13102318 20985
Glonass 61
1 22514U 93010C   95304.99855523  .00000055  00000-0  00000+0 0  8217
2 22514  65.0843  91.9824 0011610 181.9424 178.0395  2.13102255 21000
ASTRO-D
1 22521U 93011A   95304.78718287  .00000662  00000-0  40668-4 0  4475
2 22521  31.1051  87.4025 0056316  52.1851 308.3886 15.02532394147938
UFO F1
1 22563U 93015A   95303.07122276  .00000051  00000-0  00000+0 0  4689
2 22563  25.7572 292.2764 0009325 272.4689  85.0361  0.99249819 13791
GPS BIIA-19
1 22581U 93017A   95306.09218985 -.00000086  00000-0  10000-3 0  4740
2 22581  55.2266 357.2362 0057566  35.7807 324.6452  2.00569037 19045
ARSENE
1 22654U 93031B   95302.70194724 -.00000100  00000-0  10000-3 0  3369
2 22654   2.8182  79.8805 2885631 222.7781 110.8582  1.42203527  8303
GPS BIIA-20
1 22657U 93032A   95305.23158881 -.00000085  00000-0  10000-3 0  5430
2 22657  55.2346 357.1157 0073414 212.4137 147.1839  2.00559098 14351
RADCAL
1 22698U 93041A   95303.46727453  .00000066  00000-0  23485-4 0  4412
2 22698  89.5354 283.4473 0093000 359.1331   0.9684 14.21356768121656
GPS BIIA-21
1 22700U 93042A   95305.19520993 -.00000053  00000-0  10000-3 0  4672
2 22700  54.2722 237.6789 0042457 350.2963   9.6234  2.00568489 17157
NOAA 13
1 22739U 93050A   95305.86123174 -.00000063  00000-0 -99765-5 0  9211
2 22739  99.0080 254.9597 0010381 142.8549 217.3371 14.10945725114859
GPS BIIA-22
1 22779U 93054A   95303.78971084 -.00000028  00000-0  10000-3 0  5319
2 22779  54.4951 296.7876 0019989 255.0692 104.7485  2.00554249 15889
Meteor 2-21
1 22782U 93055A   95305.08666551  .00000064  00000-0  44779-4 0  4385
2 22782  82.5516 168.7078 0020775 261.2033  98.6774 13.83042066109469
UFO F2
1 22787U 93056A   95306.09780093 -.00000092  00000-0  00000+0 0  5568
2 22787   4.3881 325.4366 0003481 244.4702 298.4825  1.00266090  6547
SPOT 3
1 22823U 93061A   95306.24114061 -.00000044  00000-0  00000+0 0  4834
2 22823  98.7251  18.5340 0001174  53.8732 306.2554 14.20030116108881
STELLA
1 22824U 93061B   95305.19246758 -.00000031  00000-0  49334-5 0  4269
2 22824  98.6055  19.1901 0005637 176.0074 184.1152 14.27102747109276
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   95306.23584530  .00000020  00000-0  25737-4 0  4299
2 22825  98.6072  20.6325 0007854 174.0075 186.1194 14.27677094109466
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   95305.75885912 -.00000010  00000-0  13701-4 0  4281
2 22826  98.6078  20.2838 0008650 176.0859 184.0392 14.27784893109402
HEATHSAT
1 22827U 93061E   95305.20711404  .00000048  00000-0  37150-4 0  4897
2 22827  98.6052  19.6660 0009096 164.0958 196.0511 14.27912584109330
ITAMSAT
1 22828U 93061F   95305.16300813  .00000013  00000-0  22854-4 0  4067
2 22828  98.6039  19.7418 0009750 162.7010 197.4509 14.28117297 77424
PO-28
1 22829U 93061G   95304.75618358  .00000038  00000-0  32998-4 0  4201
2 22829  98.6006  19.3791 0009726 164.6585 195.4893 14.28098258109289
KO-25
1 22830U 93061H   95305.72731712  .00000004  00000-0  18836-4 0  4399
2 22830  98.5019  11.9601 0011842 137.4609 222.7491 14.28100306109421
GPS BIIA-23
1 22877U 93068A   95305.33386066 -.00000044  00000-0  10000-3 0  3389
2 22877  55.5279  58.3089 0026405 301.1487  58.5893  2.00568498 14808
METEOSAT 6
1 22912U 93073B   95306.59317822 -.00000102  00000-0  10000-3 0  3787
2 22912   0.5283 280.4403 0002143 328.4791 355.8685  1.00273499  5573
HST Array
1 22920U 90037C   95304.06238114  .00005617  00000-0  40074-3 0  3924
2 22920  28.4692 203.4794 0003442 212.6069 147.4243 15.02468523104754
Meteor 3-6
1 22969U 94003A   95304.82079007  .00000051  00000-0  10000-3 0  2070
2 22969  82.5548  62.3251 0016826  90.4782 269.8273 13.16732094 84863
TUBSAT-B
1 22970U 94003B   95306.82446783  .00000051  00000-0  10000-3 0  1993
2 22970  82.5554  60.8360 0017497  83.0470 277.2648 13.16826265 85137
GPS BIIA-24
1 23027U 94016A   95303.92086150 -.00000084  00000-0  10000-3 0  2759
2 23027  55.0736 359.1927 0066381 200.2260 159.5568  2.00564751 12084
Glonass 62
1 23043U 94021A   95304.13820505 -.00000030  00000-0  00000+0 0  2742
2 23043  64.7237 331.9291 0007372 201.0812 158.9406  2.13103017 12109
Glonass 63
1 23044U 94021B   95306.83636519 -.00000028  00000-0  00000+0 0  2457
2 23044  64.7139 331.8311 0031303 206.3597 153.5340  2.13103145 12168
Glonass 64
1 23045U 94021C   95304.19732130 -.00000030  00000-0  00000+0 0  2533
2 23045  64.7092 331.9343 0009718  30.0042 330.0977  2.13102426 12108
GOES 8
1 23051U 94022A   95304.92790153 -.00000270  00000-0  10000-3 0  4130
2 23051   0.2991  85.2988 0004100 128.9778  84.9811  1.00264930 13067
MSTI 2
1 23101U 94028A   95306.56841054  .00006883  00000-0  11639-3 0  2526
2 23101  97.0900 137.8806 0013580  86.0410 274.2396 15.51804035 83975
STRV-1A
1 23125U 94034B   95306.53443559  .00006858  00000-0  14523-2 0  2171
2 23125   7.5462 334.1026 7263199 233.3911  35.9604  2.31213668 10849
STRV-1B
1 23126U 94034C   95306.48113769  .00007770  00000-0  14178-2 0  1925
2 23126   7.5554 334.2857 7267722 232.9806  36.2890  2.30963557 10882
Nadezhda 4
1 23179U 94041A   95306.75174913  .00000097  00000-0  83992-4 0  1421
2 23179  82.9446  45.1612 0038082  40.4022 319.9948 13.75673484 65528
Glonass 65
1 23203U 94050A   95306.68131943 -.00000030  00000-0  00000+0 0  2116
2 23203  64.7738 211.7710 0007108 148.4525 211.6277  2.13101901  9554
Glonass 66
1 23204U 94050B   95305.97676164 -.00000033  00000-0  00000+0 0  2176
2 23204  64.7610 211.8205 0015019 346.4238  13.5750  2.13102065  9530
Glonass 67
1 23205U 94050C   95305.39030629 -.00000032  00000-0  00000+0 0  2037
2 23205  64.7732 211.8195 0001956 308.3680  51.6563  2.13102270  9529
DMSP B5D2-7
1 23233U 94057A   95306.51395466  .00000097  00000-0  76219-4 0  5474
2 23233  98.8613   3.2331 0013284 104.1757 256.0895 14.12650704 60680
OKEAN 1-7
1 23317U 94066A   95303.90769013  .00000135  00000-0  16990-4 0  1053
2 23317  82.5413 270.8513 0027601 106.8079 253.6154 14.73969879 56611
ELEKTRO
1 23327U 94069A   95300.27275183 -.00000107  00000-0  00000+0 0   974
2 23327   0.5292 258.1124 0003580 220.9028  90.3341  1.00272031  3659
RESURS 1-3
1 23342U 94074A   95306.16253873  .00001147  00000-0  20032-3 0  3768
2 23342  98.0003   3.2381 0001390  69.6341 313.3751 14.69786036 53310
Glonass 68
1 23396U 94076A   95304.76437424  .00000057  00000-0  00000+0 0  1631
2 23396  64.9939  92.0624 0030756 188.4359 171.5137  2.13102437  7350
Glonass 69
1 23397U 94076B   95305.40923914  .00000052  00000-0  00000+0 0  1699
2 23397  64.9847  92.0634 0011242 322.9672  36.9511  2.13102228  7361
Glonass 70
1 23398U 94076C   95303.88499496  .00000060  00000-0  00000+0 0  1771
2 23398  64.9742  92.0879 0001845 273.1761  86.8005  2.13101824  7342
LUCH (Altair-2)
1 23426U 94082A   95306.65102484 -.00000291  00000-0  00000+0 0  1942
2 23426   1.9110 271.5958 0001321 346.0315 113.2757  1.00267042  3222
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   95304.20388452 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0   886
2 23439  64.8197  35.0068 0166758 238.8804 119.5659 11.27524793 34853
NOAA 14
1 23455U 94089A   95306.82266956  .00000036  00000-0  44394-4 0  3795
2 23455  98.9160 248.3281 0009531 157.0184 203.1434 14.11544126 43379
ODERACS II A
1 23471U 95004C   95306.91228873  .00066760  12884-4  19742-3 0  2270
2 23471  51.6441 129.5646 0009611 272.6682  87.3234 15.92746608 43207
Glonass 71
1 23511U 95009A   95304.78372138 -.00000030  00000-0  00000+0 0  1147
2 23511  64.7372 332.1718 0008117 222.8053 137.1852  2.13103120  5080
Glonass 72
1 23512U 95009B   95303.96286028 -.00000031  00000-0  00000+0 0  1195
2 23512  64.7320 332.2149 0006811 303.7108  56.2744  2.13102365  5061
Glonass 73
1 23513U 95009C   95306.13309715 -.00000028  00000-0  00000+0 0  1317
2 23513  64.7351 332.1466 0014710 207.2451 152.7311  2.13102916  5113
SFU
1 23521U 95011A   95307.05878037  .00004578  00000-0  13744-3 0  1146
2 23521  28.4556 207.4701 0012852 354.8437   5.2048 15.31685338 35211
GMS 5
1 23522U 95011B   95306.24560451 -.00000302  00000-0  10000-3 0   711
2 23522   0.6777 304.0703 0001398 207.1462 118.3889  1.00267215  2164
DMSP B5D2-8
1 23533U 95015A   95306.87683757  .00000030  00000-0  40059-4 0  2774
2 23533  98.8365 307.3584 0007533 349.0772  11.0230 14.12709329 31534
Microlab 1
1 23547U 95017C   95303.51871392  .00000272  00000-0  94253-4 0   606
2 23547  69.9790 345.3264 0012012 157.9318 202.2330 14.45432777 30335
OFEQ 3
1 23549U 95018A   95306.77194375  .00023575  00000-0  65433-3 0  1417
2 23549 143.3675 286.9459 0242749  29.6540 331.7729 15.10402063 31908
GFZ-1
1 23558U 86017JE  95306.84238266  .00003949  00000-0  52562-4 0   728
2 23558  51.6524 179.2008 0007081  95.5448 264.6353 15.60821518554488
ERS-2
1 23560U 95021A   95306.74568189  .00000091  00000-0  50047-4 0  1312
2 23560  98.5461  19.0872 0001258  62.7548 297.3757 14.32254395 28015
Spektr
1 23579U 95024A   95307.12647714  .00004226  00000-0  62065-4 0  1733
2 23579  51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019  79.9243 15.57915226 26047
GOES 9
1 23581U 95025A   95306.57258611 -.00000201  00000-0  10000-3 0   807
2 23581   0.2727 271.1129 0003526 339.0947 267.5828  1.00272184  1647
Helios 1A
1 23605U 95033A   95306.93529901  .00000175  00000-0  42493-4 0  1112
2 23605  98.0992 241.1597 0001124  66.5511 293.5804 14.63844471 17300
UPM SAT 1
1 23606U 95033B   95304.85370611  .00000069  00000-0  20868-4 0   836
2 23606  98.0794 239.4370 0005385 176.7714 183.3526 14.66903389 17092
CERISE
1 23607U 95033C   95305.24299782  .00000221  00000-0  47812-4 0   377
2 23607  98.0788 239.8635 0006763 183.4813 176.6344 14.67167420 17160
TDRS 6
1 23613U 95035B   95306.30590856  .00000114  00000-0  00000+0 0   778
2 23613   0.2040  84.1773 0002465 176.9225  99.5330  1.00274577  1106
Glonass 74
1 23620U 95037A   95305.44829643 -.00000032  00000-0  00000+0 0   625
2 23620  64.8338 211.6395 0018193 166.9699 193.1161  2.13102703  2139
Glonass 75
1 23621U 95037B   95305.15549728 -.00000031  00000-0  00000+0 0   705
2 23621  64.8400 211.6540 0017593 178.5622 181.4794  2.13102182  2122
Glonass 76
1 23622U 95037C   95304.27556959 -.00000025  00000-0  00000+0 0   648
2 23622  64.8311 211.6914 0036594 164.7243 195.4299  2.13102308  2100
Prognoz-M2
1 23632U 95039A   95306.24599238 -.00002999  00000-0  00000+0 0   155
2 23632  66.1860 255.5141 9089885 316.7368   9.1270  0.26335357   248
SICH-1
1 23657U 95046A   95303.85094204  .00000176  00000-0  23461-4 0   275
2 23657  82.5339  52.5614 0029543  76.7970 283.6530 14.73424787  8919
Soyuz TM-22
1 23665U 95047A   95307.12647714  .00004226  00000-0  62065-4 0   654
2 23665  51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019  79.9243 15.57915226  9482
1995052A
1 23676U 95052A   95306.94126907  .00050122 -48478-6  36779-3 0   248
2 23676  82.9403  67.3790 0375234 348.7090  10.5884 15.16091481  4207
1995052B
1 23677U 95052B   95306.90509785  .00062769 -20863-6  38227-3 0   310
2 23677  82.9426  67.3300 0379733 349.3040  10.0235 15.18383954  4206
Progress M-29
1 23678U 95053A   95307.12647714  .00004226  00000-0  62065-4 0   295
2 23678  51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019  79.9243 15.57915226  3963
1995053B
1 23679U 95053B   95283.51479976  .10010060  12476-4  42419-3 0   125
2 23679  51.6729 299.9679 0007889  94.0130  42.2228 16.43076460   264
1995054A
1 23680U 95054A   95306.27201729 -.00000129  00000-0  00000+0 0   303
2 23680   3.0427 276.2116 0006614 351.9718 307.5213  1.00276986   182
1995054D
1 23683U 95054D   95285.37956904 -.00000245  00000-0  10000-3 0    28
2 23683   3.1084 276.2352 0018072 357.2443 334.2168  1.00234693    08
1995054E
1 23684U 95054E   95305.89468555  .00002353  00000-0  79940-3 0   130
2 23684  47.4435 269.6266 7286049   5.7217 359.2697  2.26909860   482
1995054F
1 23685U 95054F   95305.93142210  .00000576  00000-0  53593-3 0   112
2 23685  47.5173 269.7128 7268194   5.5983 359.2684  2.26486896   485
1995055A
1 23686U 95055A   95297.84929528 -.00000033  00000-0  00000+0 0   119
2 23686   0.1558 201.6484 0291663 181.4046 321.2305  1.03555544    00
1995055B
1 23687U 95055B   95301.28990252 -.00000167  00000-0  00000+0 0    35
2 23687   4.7598 202.6014 7257737 190.8008 133.3875  2.20181286   190
STS 73
1 23688U 95056A   95307.21971007  .00142886  14123-4  20849-3 0   602
2 23688  39.0118  23.8479 0007351   6.9784 353.1084 16.04274631  2194
1995057A
1 23696U 95057A   95302.29736200  .00000042  00000-0  00000+0 0   132
2 23696   5.2812 322.3842 0216536 180.8696 190.5756  1.00680357    26
1995057B
1 23697U 95057B   95306.12420760  .00006665  00000-0  16878-2 0    62
2 23697  27.0115 317.5332 6717758 183.9442 165.0675  3.01327056   323
1995050C
1 23699U 95050C   95306.04023234  .58323595 -18345-5  94714-3 0   298
2 23699  82.2994 158.4204 0001386 288.2909  71.7199 16.48532632  2135
1995050D
1 23700U 95050D   95303.62359003  .24422139 -15151-5  24061-2 0   238
2 23700  82.2935 161.2627 0007338 328.1838  32.3641 16.38268279  5480
1995050E
1 23701U 95050E   95307.13174957  .01277357  60435-3  51141-2 0   238
2 23701  82.3098 157.7455 0123879 305.3518  53.6640 15.75538524  5974
1995050F
1 23702U 95050F   95307.21911018  .01350132  76825-3  43263-2 0   256
2 23702  82.3088 157.5472 0092864 303.8974  55.3486 15.84207303  5996
1995058A
1 23704U 95058A   95305.62020989 -.00000029  00000-0  10000-4 0    34
2 23704  71.0212  29.4202 0002024  81.7310 278.4471 14.12552991   112
1995058B
1 23705U 95058B   95305.90230737 -.00000047  00000-0  00000+0 0    45
2 23705  71.0116  28.8384 0005509 125.7558 234.4055 14.14135666   156
1995058C
1 23706U 95058C   95306.22635954 -.00000041  00000-0  00000+0 0    35
2 23706  71.0034  28.1654 0201493  68.8878 290.9410 13.71660163   194
1995058D
1 23707U 95058D   95306.22822545 -.00000041  00000-0  00000+0 0    30
2 23707  71.0004  28.1147 0205067  91.2927 271.1670 13.70142415   198
1995058E
1 23708U 95058E   95305.49637701 -.00000041  00000-0  00000+0 0    37
2 23708  71.0525  30.1202 0187536  72.4322 289.7228 13.74255643   132
1995058F
1 23709U 95058F   95306.88244730 -.00000041  00000-0  00000+0 0    49
2 23709  71.0424  27.3301 0199586  96.1566 266.2315 13.72042752   286
--
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[e-mail]                   Air Force Institute of Technology


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Zeiler: <<Nevertheless, they ruled they were not birds.>>

Brian, in words of one syllable, have somebody ELSE waste
their time telling you that judges, not scientists, "rule" on
things. By misuse of that word, you again show you haven't
a clue about how science attempts to explicate reality. Stick
to economics, where you can bullshit your way around
anything, which seems to be your forte.


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Zeiler: << Oberg was right
because a Navy group of scientists analyzed the footage...>>

There you go again, you helpless, hapless naif. Where did
Oberg ever say that Navy SCIENTISTS were involved. YOU
 made up that claim because YOU can't keep your boundless
 imagination distinguished from hard reality. Oberg said it
was Navy analysts, or a Navy team, as I recall, and YOU
jumped to the conclusions they were "scientists", and then
attributed that misjudgment to Oberg. How many YEARS of
 practice is it going to take to make you a reliable, rational
thinker? The only real scientist who looked at the Tremonton
film later was William Hartmann, and from analysis and from
examples of bird flight he personally observed, he concluded
these were birds.


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From: Jerry Rolape <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC?
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Suggest you try MultiFAX, they carry a complete line of supplies for
weather satellite reception from antennas, pc cards, external modems,
radio, etc. I have used their external modem and am compl;etely
satisfied, use external as I move out into the field and use notebook
computer, scanner and modem runs off 12 vdc...

MultiFAX
Route 1, Box 27
Peachland, NC 28133
Voice: 704 272-9028
FAX: [phone]
BBS: 716 425-8759

Have a nice day...   Jerry R

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Sure they were birds (IMHO) -- look at all the birdbrains that still are
impressed with them. If you want to discuss this further, move it over to
alt.alien.visitors where it has always belonged, and stop rampaging
through a newsgroup that isn't interested.



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I have been using the Multifax card and software for 3 years and am very,
very satisfied. Good luck and enjoy whatever you choose. 73, keith


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SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK059
ARLK059 Keplerian data

ZCZC SK84
QST de W1AW
Keplerian Bulletin 59  ARLK059
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington, CT  November 4, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB KEP ARL ARLK059
ARLK059 Keplerian data

Thanks to NASA, AMSAT and WA5QGD for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

STS-73
1 23688U 95056A   95307.58333333 -.00001730  54681-5  00000+0 0   628
2 23688  39.0130  21.4023 0007249   7.2737 295.9616 16.04283348  2240
STS-74
1 99974U          95315.59818964  .01006020  00000-0  19864-3 0    15
2 99974  51.6456 140.1652 0103509   5.0168 355.2008 16.17694769    25
Mir
1 16609U 86017A   95307.25471847  .00009350  00000-0  12914-3 0 03661
2 16609  51.6464 181.2045 0003301 279.1865  80.8772 15.57927130554631
AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   95301.79734081 -.00000147  00000-0  10000-3 0 03832
2 14129  26.4483 241.3041 5979377 321.7524   8.2043  2.05879727065085
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   95307.08812857  .00000023  00000-0  85070-5 0  1293
2 18129  82.9250 316.4000 0013431  66.2758 293.9801 13.72358256419029
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   95307.51326635  .00000111  00000-0  26488-4 0  8388
2 14781  97.7871 303.5531 0012931  94.8689 265.3993 14.69393749624365
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   95307.21364728  .00000019  00000-0  41230-5 0 08527
2 21089  82.9229 357.6725 0029474 142.0839 218.2396 13.74061705237863
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   95304.38706202  .00000239  00000-0  15756-3 0  1038
2 19216  57.4524 155.7574 7338361  22.7620 357.7609  2.09721719 25026
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   95307.19320215  .00000026  00000-0  26964-4 0 01549
2 20437  98.5617  29.2845 0011043 145.2766 214.9139 14.29901860301614
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   95307.21947869 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0 01042
2 23439  64.8191  30.1300 0166677 238.4048 120.0511 11.27524743035195
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   95307.22966712  .00000004  00000-0  18291-4 0 09440
2 20439  98.5733  31.1814 0011125 146.1483 214.0408 14.29956283301631
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   95307.20442348  .00000033  00000-0  29776-4 0 09446
2 20440  98.5755  31.6827 0011369 145.1551 215.0383 14.30098095301656
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   95307.18950892  .00000035  00000-0  30440-4 0 09590
2 20441  98.5749  31.6271 0011693 145.9398 214.2537 14.30068695301655
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   95307.20227432  .00000055  00000-0  38076-4 0 09495
2 20442  98.5765  32.0477 0012183 145.6229 214.5741 14.30173481301674
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   95307.18869177 -.00000044  00000-0 -16199-4 0 08559
2 20480  99.0646   9.8912 0539920 278.7643  75.2701 12.83231313268773
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   95307.04570628  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0 06509
2 21087  82.9394 129.8254 0036073 117.1251 243.3583 13.74560841238801
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   95307.19893629  .00000013  00000-0  18665-4 0 06537
2 21575  98.3820  14.9854 0006611 224.8641 135.2008 14.36997477225469
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   95307.22039726 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0  5329
2 22077  66.0838 304.6718 0001102  14.3229 345.7817 12.86293035151613
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   95307.19481156  .00000056  00000-0  40059-4 0 04178
2 22828  98.6035  21.7425 0009741 156.7275 203.4339 14.28118008077719
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   95307.23050775  .00000003  00000-0  18981-4 0 04362
2 22826  98.6077  21.7335 0008632 171.5369 188.5954 14.27785137109613
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   95307.21701864  .00000009  00000-0  21250-4 0 04348
2 22825  98.6070  21.5981 0007991 170.6835 189.4484 14.27677123109607
PO-28
1 22829U 93061G   95307.20839455  .00000034  00000-0  31229-4 0 04388
2 22829  98.6006  21.7942 0009870 157.3302 202.8313 14.28098533109635

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Tuesday,
November 7, 1995, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX



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From: Michael J Wooding <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: VHF Communications Magazine
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Hi there,

Yes I am afraid its me again - but initiating my own thread!!!

I now I cannot compete with HRT - heaven forbid! - but for all those
who might be interested we have arrived on the Web!

Our Web pages can be found at:

http://www.taynet.co.uk/~gdx/ag/vhfcomm.htm

Initially our pages are quite simple, in order to guage response etc.
So, please let me have your comments (not too unkind please!) and
suggestions and I will see what can be done.

Even better - how about subscribing!!!!!!

73 ... Mike
--
Michael J Wooding   [e-mail]
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KM Publications, 5 Ware Orchard, Barby, Nr.Rugby, CV23 8UF, UK
VHF Communications Magazine - Especially Covering VHF, UHF and Microwaves



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I am trying to up date my itncp which uses kepler.   Can anyone help me
to locate anywhere I can download kepler?

de Don  (KB7RME)


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[e-mail] (GK Smiley) wrote:
>Zeiler: <<Nevertheless, they ruled they were not birds.>>
>
>Brian, in words of one syllable, have somebody ELSE waste
>their time telling you that judges, not scientists, "rule" on
>things. By misuse of that word, you again show you haven't
>a clue about how science attempts to explicate reality.

If that's your best defense for the bird hypothesis, then the case is
closed on this newsgroup.  Maybe it would make you happy if I said
"concluded" or "determined" instead of "ruled".

--
Brian Zeiler




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[e-mail] (GK Smiley) wrote:
>Zeiler: << Oberg was right
>because a Navy group of scientists analyzed the footage...>>
>
>There you go again, you helpless, hapless naif. Where did
>Oberg ever say that Navy SCIENTISTS were involved. YOU
> made up that claim because YOU can't keep your boundless
> imagination distinguished from hard reality.

Sorry, but Bluebook had scientific consultants.  These weren't drill
sergeants analyzing films.

--
Brian Zeiler




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From: Richard David Glueck <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Kepler
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 21:07:06 -0600
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You are refering to Keplerian elements; mathematical descriptions of
orbits.  Keplerian elelments can usually be picked up off of packet BBS's
and from numerous landline BBS's.  NASA SPacelink is a good source, as is
Compuserve, Celestial, and others.  Check out space technology newsgroups
on the Internet.


----------
Richard David Glueck   Email:[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (NITE EYE2)
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Subject: Need Radio-FT-757 GXII
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Help,

I am just starting in the ham world, and wish to buy or trade for an FT
757-GXII...
Please email me if you want to sale or trade one, I will trade a brand new
night vision unit(cost $685.00) for it.

NITE [e-mail]

Thanks...


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[e-mail] (GK Smiley) wrote:

>Zeiler: << Oberg was right
>because a Navy group of scientists analyzed the footage...>>

>There you go again, you helpless, hapless naif. Where did
>Oberg ever say that Navy SCIENTISTS were involved. YOU
> made up that claim because YOU can't keep your boundless
> imagination distinguished from hard reality. Oberg said it
>was Navy analysts, or a Navy team, as I recall, and YOU
>jumped to the conclusions they were "scientists", and then
>attributed that misjudgment to Oberg. How many YEARS of
> practice is it going to take to make you a reliable, rational
>thinker? The only real scientist who looked at the Tremonton
>film later was William Hartmann, and from analysis and from
>examples of bird flight he personally observed, he concluded
>these were birds.

I suggest all conclusion jumpers be outfitted with bungee cords at all
times. :)



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From: [e-mail] (J°rn Harald S. Andersen)
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Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO)
Date: 5 Nov 1995 11:37:28 +0100
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In article <47g682$[e-mail]>,
GK Smiley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Zeiler: << Oberg was right
>because a Navy group of scientists analyzed the footage...>>
>
>There you go again, you helpless, hapless naif. Where did

>Oberg ever say that Navy SCIENTISTS were involved. YOU
>made up that claim because YOU can't keep your boundless
>imagination distinguished from hard reality. Oberg said it
>was Navy analysts, or a Navy team, as I recall, and YOU
>jumped to the conclusions they were "scientists", and then
>attributed that misjudgment to Oberg .... (snip)

Gentlemen, please, please stop this thread now or go away,
at least from sci.space.shuttle!

Yours sincerely,

J. Andersen
Norway ( Home of trolls, UFO's etc.)


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From: [e-mail] (Gene Huff)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO)
Date: 5 Nov 1995 14:34:33 GMT
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In <47g682$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GK Smiley)
writes:
>
>Zeiler: <<Nevertheless, they ruled they were not birds.>>
>
>Brian, in words of one syllable, have somebody ELSE waste
>their time telling you that judges, not scientists, "rule" on
>things.

-GeeKy, please list the forces which cause you to feel compelled to
harrass Brian. He didn't select the "judges" and apparently they were
deemed appropriate at the time, for whatever reason. No one would miss
you if you stopped responding as no one cares if you're here to begin
with. Unless, of course you're speaking for Oberg  in which case you
should also stop as he's here to answer for himself.-


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In <47g9lo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (JamesOberg)
writes:
>
>Sure they were birds (IMHO) -- look at all the birdbrains that still
are impressed with them.

-Everyone, that was an attempt at being witty. Officer Oby, you're
better at counting your words than providing the accompanying comedy.-


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From: [e-mail] (Pete)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC?
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:05:37 LOCAL
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>I have been using the Multifax card and software for 3 years and am very,
>very satisfied. Good luck and enjoy whatever you choose. 73, keith

Just wondering why anyone would use "Multifax" in the advent of the incredible
weather servers found on the net?



                                                        Pete


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From: [e-mail] (BourkeE)
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Where can I get pre-launch Keps or two-line data for STS-74???
Bourke Ettling
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Don Russ)
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Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC?
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In article <47ghgk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I have been using the Multifax card and software for 3 years and am very,
>very satisfied. Good luck and enjoy whatever you choose. 73, keith

I have used the multifax card and receiver with excellent results.  There
are some other systems that do work but not with the same resolution or
stability. For the extra bucks you can't go wrong.  Try their BBS at:

1-[phone]

See them at DAYTON.

Beware the cheep solution.

--
Don Russ                            Microwave Data Systems, Rochester, NY
Advanced Development Engineer       a California Microwave Co.
[e-mail]          [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Charles A. Rubenstein)
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Im looking for a SatTrack IV controller or a TAPR Trackbox for sale.
Currently using a SASI Sattracker with tuner for my IC820, but its not
supported by WISP. Have a DSP2232 sitting here collecting dust til I get
the system set up.

Charlie KB8BWE
[e-mail]
KB8BWE @ N8LHG.#CIN.OH.USA


--
Charlie Rubenstein
KB8BWE@N8LHG.#CIN.OH.USA.NA
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Pete)
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>In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:

>> Just wondering why anyone would use "Multifax" in the advent of the
>incredible
>> weather servers found on the net?
>>
                                                      Pete

>For me, it has been for the fun and challenge of doing it directly plus the
>extra things like color thermal overlays that my software allows me to do that
>I could not do with a downloaded image.

>73,
>Bill W7JSW

ok Bill, I can accept that...but...You CAN overlay and enhance any downloaded
pic from the net. BTW...IU/Purdue uni has ALL pics from Sat to nexrad etc and
many are already enhanced. I guess they took the fun out. :))



                                                Pete


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From: [e-mail] (Charles A. Rubenstein)
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I have for sale a SASI SatTracker interface, with the Tuner module for an
Icom 820H. This is a cable-type interface which goes from the parallel port
of your computer to a Yaesu G5400 rotor box. THe electronics are all inside
the connector (parallel connector). WOrks with laptops or desktops as
there is no internal board to install in the computer. Includes all
software, and cables. WOrks with Instatrack, Nova, Realtrack, etc.

Also have the optional Tuner cable for the Icom 820H radio. Includes
level converter from RS232 to the rig (this can be used for ANY Icom rig)
and all software.

Reason for selling this: While it works great, I want to run WISP for
digital sats, and it is not supported for WISP.

Cost new was over $300.00, will sell all for 225.00, or just the
Sattracker without the Tuner option for 200.00.

Charlie KB8BWE
[e-mail]
KB8BWE@N8LHG.#CIN.OH.USA

--
Charlie Rubenstein
KB8BWE@N8LHG.#CIN.OH.USA.NA
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLK060 Keplerian data
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SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK060
ARLK060 Keplerian data

ZCZC SK85
QST de W1AW
Keplerian Bulletin 60  ARLK060
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington, CT  November 7, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB KEP ARL ARLK060
ARLK060 Keplerian data

Thanks to NASA, AMSAT and WA5QGD for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

STS-74
1 99974U          95315.59818964  .01006020  00000-0  19864-3 0    15
2 99974  51.6456 140.1652 0103509   5.0168 355.2008 16.17694769    25
Mir
1 16609U 86017A   95310.46196231  .00000259  00000-0  10000-4 0  3067
2 16609  51.6462 165.1311 0003314 286.7899  73.2949 15.57977756555138
HST
1 20580U 90037B   95310.14570357  .00000544  00000-0  38676-4 0 07551
2 20580  28.4703 218.5887 0006192 349.5076  10.5377 14.90966120105111
AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   95301.79734081 -.00000147  00000-0  10000-3 0 03832
2 14129  26.4483 241.3041 5979377 321.7524   8.2043  2.05879727065085
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   95310.00445519  .00000057  00000-0  45340-4 0 01557
2 18129  82.9247 314.2437 0013398  59.2414 301.0058 13.72358646419420
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   95310.03283416  .00000153  00000-0  33583-4 0 08557
2 14781  97.7872 305.9565 0012942  86.9892 273.2794 14.69394968624731
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   95310.19918924  .00000009  00000-0 -71140-5 0 08478
2 21089  82.9230 355.4591 0029767 133.9729 226.3886 13.74061630238271
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   95309.63206224 -.00000318  00000-0  17766-3 0 01054
2 19216  57.4522 154.7514 7340667  23.1970 357.7462  2.09729545025136
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   95310.20212331  .00000013  00000-0  21734-4 0 01472
2 20437  98.5616  32.2430 0011169 136.3425 223.8644 14.29902055302044
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   95310.05768480 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0 00968
2 23439  64.8185  25.5409 0166677 237.9389 120.5243 11.27524663035512
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   95310.23847234  .00000023  00000-0  25689-4 0 09644
2 20439  98.5731  34.1438 0011346 137.1461 223.0607 14.29956810302060
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   95310.14296534  .00000031  00000-0  28737-4 0 09373
2 20440  98.5753  34.5768 0011415 136.5027 223.7058 14.30098563302076
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   95310.19807865  .00000018  00000-0  23846-4 0 09500
2 20441  98.5748  34.5904 0011825 137.0277 223.1829 14.30068932302089
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   95310.21062432  .00000012  00000-0  21536-4 0 09404
2 20442  98.5765  35.0118 0012343 136.6609 223.5534 14.30173537302100
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   95310.15139540 -.00000017  00000-0  42389-4 0 08485
2 20480  99.0641  12.2995 0539808 272.0413  81.8977 12.83231706269151
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   95310.03016520  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0 06755
2 21087  82.9388 127.6155 0036460 109.2162 251.2936 13.74560895239218
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   95310.19301784  .00000026  00000-0  23264-4 0 06475
2 21575  98.3820  17.9019 0006594 215.1754 144.8992 14.36998000225891
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   95310.09716932 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0 05565
2 22077  66.0831 298.6482 0001296  11.2702 348.8345 12.86293104151989
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   95310.20748689 -.00000004  00000-0  15822-4 0 04120
2 22828  98.6033  24.7094 0009923 147.4766 212.7020 14.28117957078146
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   95310.17380528  .00000008  00000-0  21060-4 0 04504
2 22826  98.6072  24.6312 0008739 162.5848 197.5635 14.27785433110038
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   95310.16053817  .00000036  00000-0  32465-4 0 04489
2 22825  98.6070  24.4970 0008136 161.4928 198.6549 14.27677623110027
PO-28
1 22829U 93061G   95310.15104656  .00000042  00000-0  34537-4 0 04287
2 22829  98.6014  24.6941 0010097 148.5138 211.6649 14.28098955110053

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Saturday,
November 11, 1995, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX



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SB SPACE @ ARL $ARLS022
ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed

ZCZC AS02
QST de W1AW
Space Bulletin 022  ARLS022
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington, CT  November 10, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPACE ARL ARLS022
ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed

Space Shuttle mission STS-74 is scheduled for lift-off at 1255 UTC
on Saturday, November 11, with all five crew members holding Amateur
Radio licenses.

NASA astronaut James Halsell, KC5RNI, and Canadian Space Agency
astronaut Chris Hadfield, KC5RNJ, both received their licenses in
recent days, and both plan to participate in Shuttle Amateur Radio
EXperiment (SAREX) activities during the STS-74 mission.

Halsell is the shuttle's pilot, and Hadfield is a mission
specialist.

Shuttle Atlantis's commander for STS-74 is Ken Cameron, KB5AWP, who
used Amateur Radio from Atlantis during STS-37 in April 1991 and
from Discovery during STS-56 in April 1993.  This will be the third
mission Cameron has flown where the entire crew are licensed radio
amateurs.

Other STS-74 crew members are Mission Specialist Jerry Ross, N5SCW,
who was also a member of STS-37, and who operated ham radio aboard
the STS-55 Columbia mission in April/May 1993; and Mission
Specialist Bill McArthur, KC5ACR, who used ham radio aboard Columbia
during STS-58 in October/November 1993.

For more information on the SAREX program, visit the SAREX home page
on the World Wide Web at

          http://www.nasa.gov/sarex/sarexmainpage.html
NNNN
/EX


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From: Luis Miguel Nunes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Epoch Time ?
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Please, I need to know what is the meaning of the numbers that are in the
epoch time in the kep data in the Amsat format.
I need to introduce this elements in quicktrack 4.0, but the format is not the
same.
Does anyone know a good free software (for windows), for tracking and
communications.
Thanks
Answer by mail

Luis



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Anyone know where I can get a copy of "Fed Log"?


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*NEW* Amateur Radio Link BBS @ 401-885-3074
Includes: FidoNet, Usenet
InterNet EMail, HAM-Net File
Distribution, & 2000 files available Online!

--
-R.M.Williams
[e-mail]
Check out my *NEW* Web Page
http://ids.net/~rmw/news.html
*NEW* Amateur Radio Link BBS @ 401-885-3074
Includes: FidoNet, Usenet
InterNet EMail, HAM-Net File
Distribution, & 2000 files available Online!


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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Kepler
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In <47gfet$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Donald J. Kujawski ) writes:

>I am trying to up date my itncp which uses kepler.   Can anyone help me
>to locate anywhere I can download kepler?

On 'archive.afit.af.mil' (129.92.1.66) in /pub/space

Rob
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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fred Stirling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Learning Machine!
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From: Fred Sterling
To: Fellow Net Traveler

RE: The Learning Machine Takes You Beyond Virtual Reality
        http://Zygon.com

Amazing!! If you have a moment check out a new web site  http://Zygon.com.  They have an incredible new multi-media technology that uses a special digital
earning foreign languages, and programming my subconscious for success.  And you can even read books with your eyes closed.  Pretty awesome.  The company

Fred Sterling



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (pmusers)
Subject: Re: Looking for the email addresses of Arthur C. Clark
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In article <47c6vu$[e-mail]> <userID>@ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name) writes:
>From: <userID>@ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name)
>Subject: Looking for the email addresses of Arthur C. Clark
>Date: 3 Nov 1995 04:49:02 GMT
>Friends, I am looking for the email address of Prof. Arthur C. Clark
>(Father of telecommunication satellites) and Stallinger (Author of the
>book "Computer Communications".)
>Please inform me at my email address [e-mail].
>
>Thank you,
>Goli.

uhmm try

[e-mail]

'sorry couldn't resist


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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Looking for the email addresses of Arthur C. Clark
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (pmusers) writes:

>In article <47c6vu$[e-mail]> <userID>@ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name) writes:
>>From: <userID>@ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name)
>>Subject: Looking for the email addresses of Arthur C. Clark
>>Date: 3 Nov 1995 04:49:02 GMT
>>Friends, I am looking for the email address of Prof. Arthur C. Clark
>>(Father of telecommunication satellites) and Stallinger (Author of the
>>book "Computer Communications".)
>>Please inform me at my email address [e-mail].
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Goli.

>uhmm try

>[e-mail]

>'sorry couldn't resist

Do you think this is a good joke?
To the best of my knowledge, Arthur C. Clark is alive and well.

Rob
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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Harry Yingst)
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Subject: Mods for Icom IC-736
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Does anyone have any mods for the ICOM IC-736?  I'm looking for a way to
turn the pre-amp back on below 1.6 Mhz.
 Icom turns it off even though it the light says it's on.
 I would like to listen for some lowfer stations 1750 meter band
 (160-190 kc. 1 watt into a 50 ft antenna).  I'm also looking for a way to
improve the recieve audio.
 The recieve audio sounds flat and distant, lacking highs & lows.
 With the notch filter ON the audio sounds a little better,
 but it still could use some improvement.
 They re-shape the audio through the notch filter,
 and it actually has a nicer sound with the notch filter on
 (Has more highs & lows).
 I had a IC-737 that had the same problem with the audio,
 just not sounding quite right.  I am also interested in any other mods
for the Icom IC-736.  Please send any replies to [e-mail] Note:
If you post a reply into this newsgroup I proably wont get it,
      my internet provider only holds news for 1 day.  Thank You.  Harry
N6VUJ








































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From: Richard Langley <[e-mail]>
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                        Navstar GPS Constellation Status
                                   (95-11-08)

Blk                      NORAD   Orbit   Launch
II       PRN  Internat. Catalog  Plane    Date
Seq  SVN Code    ID      Number  Pos'n    (UT)   Clock  Available/Decommissioned
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Block I
      01  04  1978-020A  10684          78-02-22        78-03-29     85-07-17
      02  07  1978-047A  10893          78-05-13        78-07-14     81-07-16
      03  06  1978-093A  11054          78-10-06        78-11-13     92-05-18
      04  08  1978-112A  11141          78-12-10        79-01-08     89-10-14
      05  05  1980-011A  11690          80-02-09        80-02-27     83-11-28
      06  09  1980-032A  11783          80-04-26        80-05-16     91-03-06
      07                                81-12-18        Launch failure
      08  11  1983-072A  14189          83-07-14        83-08-10     93-05-04
      09  13  1984-059A  15039          84-06-13        84-07-19     94-06-20
      10  12  1984-097A  15271    A-1   84-09-08   Rb   84-10-03
      11  03  1985-093A  16129          85-10-09        85-10-30     94-04-13

Block II
II-1  14  14  1989-013A  19802    E-1   89-02-14   Cs   89-04-15 05:02 UT
II-2  13  02  1989-044A  20061    B-3   89-06-10   Cs   89-08-10 20:46 UT
II-3  16  16  1989-064A  20185    E-3   89-08-18   Cs   89-10-14 20:21 UT
II-4  19  19  1989-085A  20302    A-4   89-10-21   Rb   89-11-23 03:13 UT
II-5  17  17  1989-097A  20361    D-3   89-12-11   Cs   90-01-06 03:30 UT
II-6  18  18  1990-008A  20452    F-3   90-01-24   Cs   90-02-14 22:26 UT
II-7  20  20  1990-025A  20533    B-2   90-03-26   Rb   90-04-18 23:13 UT
II-8  21  21  1990-068A  20724    E-2   90-08-02   Cs   90-08-22 15:00 UT
II-9  15  15  1990-088A  20830    D-2   90-10-01   Cs   90-10-15 00:39 UT

Block IIA
II-10 23  23  1990-103A  20959    E-4   90-11-26   Cs   90-12-10 23:45 UT
II-11 24  24  1991-047A  21552    D-1   91-07-04   Rb   91-08-30 04:44 UT
II-12 25  25  1992-009A  21890    A-2   92-02-23   Cs   92-03-24 11:00 UT
II-13 28  28  1992-019A  21930    C-2   92-04-10   Cs   92-04-25 20:32 UT
II-14 26  26  1992-039A  22014    F-2   92-07-07   Cs   92-07-23 19:43 UT
II-15 27  27  1992-058A  22108    A-3   92-09-09   Cs   92-09-30 20:08 UT
II-16 32  01  1992-079A  22231    F-1   92-11-22   Rb   92-12-11 14:49 UT
II-17 29  29  1992-089A  22275    F-4   92-12-18   Cs   93-01-05 16:39 UT
II-18 22  22  1993-007A  22446    B-1   93-02-03   Cs   93-04-04 05:20 UT
II-19 31  31  1993-017A  22581    C-3   93-03-30   Rb   93-04-13 20:53 UT
II-20 37  07  1993-032A  22657    C-4   93-05-13   Cs   93-06-12 16:15 UT
II-21 39  09  1993-042A  22700    A-1   93-06-26   Cs   93-07-20 12:54 UT
II-22 35  05  1993-054A  22779    B-4   93-08-30   Cs   93-09-28 19:29 UT
II-23 34  04  1993-068A  22877    D-4   93-10-26   Cs   93-11-22 18:20 UT
II-24 36  06  1994-016A  23027    C-1   94-03-10   Cs   94-03-28 14:20 UT


Notes
-----
1.  NORAD Catalog Number is also known as U.S. Space Command (USSPACECOM) object
    number and NASA catalog number.
2.  No orbital plane position = satellite no longer operational.
3.  Clock:  Rb = Rubidium; Cs = Cesium.
4.  Selective Availability (S/A) had been enabled on Block II satellites during
    part of 1990; S/A off between about 10 August 1990 and 1 July 1991 due to
    Gulf crisis; standard level re-implemented on 15 November 1991; occasionally
    off for test and other purposes.  Currently, PRN15 and PRN28 appear to have
    little or no S/A imposed.
5.  Anti-spoofing (A-S) was activated on 94-01-31 at 00:00 UT on all Block II
    satellites (ref. NANU 050-94042); occasionally off for test and other
    purposes.  A-S was turned off on all satellites at 20:00 UT on 95-04-19 and
    back on on 95-05-10; off again between 95-06-19 and 95-07-10; and between
    95-10-10 and 95-10-31.  A-S has been off on PRN28 since 95-02-21.
6.  PRN number of SVN32 was changed from 32 to 01 on 93-01-28.
7.  PRN05 and PRN06 are equipped with corner-cube reflectors for satellite laser
    ranging (SLR).  SLR tracking of the satellites will permit onboard clock
    errors and satellite ephemeris errors in GPS tracking to be differentiated.
8.  The decommissioning date for PRN06/SVN03 is the date of termination of
    operations of this satellite (ref. USNO) and is about 3 weeks later than
    other published dates for "deactivation".
9.  PRN12 is in declining health, primarily due to power supply problems.  It
    will be decommissioned within the next year.  Before it is disposed of, the
    satellite will undergo a period of end-of-life testing to help the Air Force
    Space Command (AFSC) develop better ways to operate future GPS satellites.
10. The AFSC Constellation Status Assessment Team has recommended that the next
    launch, into the C-plane, be made in April 1996.

compiled by:
===============================================================================
 Richard B. Langley                         Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
 Geodetic Research Laboratory               BITnet:   LANG@UNB or SE@UNB
 Dept. of Geodesy and Geomatics Engineering Phone:    [phone]
 University of New Brunswick                FAX:      [phone]
 Fredericton, N.B., Canada  E3B 5A3         Telex:    014-46202
Fredericton?  Where's that? See: http://degaulle.hil.unb.ca/NB/fredericton.html
===============================================================================



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From: [e-mail] (Ken Durham)
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>~~~~~~~~~~~>
>Gentlemen, please, please stop this thread now or go away,
>at least from sci.space.shuttle!
>
>Yours sincerely,
>
>J. Andersen
>Norway ( Home of trolls, UFO's etc.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 J., They don't even know that they are responding to the post on
more than one newsgroup. The header never changes from the first
posting. I have been seeing this thread on rec.radio.amateur.space
and three other newsgroups for days now. No one seems to know that
the newsgroup header can be edited and addressed only to the newsgroup
that they read when posting a response.
 Please give us a break guys. *Edit your headers*

Ken [e-mail]



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From: Brian Zeiler <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Steve Ranta) wrote:

>I concur with the above retort however, I have never been so inebreatied
>as to believe that a seagull was anything other than a seagull.  I would
>suspect a seagull U.F.O. viewer would never live that one down.

I would suspect the same, but it wasn't a seagull.  USAF and Navy
research conclusively ruled out birds, balloons, aircraft, and everything
else, and also ruled that the objects were self-luminescent (this film
was from 1950).  But a CIA panel convened to debunk UFOs decided in their
12-hour examination of the evidence that the objects couldn't go without
explanation.  So they were birds.  It is modern skeptic myth.

--
Brian Zeiler




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PLEASE REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP.

That says it all. Please give us some relief form the UFO barage here in
rec.radio.amateur.space.  It is a great waste of bandwidth. When you post a
reply please, I SHOUT PLEASE, look up at the top of the page where it says
Newsgroups. These are all the places your UFO stuff is going to. We at
rec.radio.amateur.space are not interested. Please be kind and remove us.


Thanks


grh


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From: Danie Brynard <[e-mail]>
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I am looking for any information on the 400bps PSK modem beacon on
AO-13. Does somebody perhaps have a scanned file of one of the
articles that were published in the magazines a few years ago ?

Danie




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From: Tom Clark <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Re AO-13 400bps psk
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Danie Brynard <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am looking for any information on the 400bps PSK modem beacon on
>AO-13. Does somebody perhaps have a scanned file of one of the
>articles that were published in the magazines a few years ago ?
>
>Danie

The best source for such material is AMSAT's ftp file server:

     ftp://ftp.amsat.org

which is also pointed to by AMSAT's WWW site

     http://www.amsat.org

73 de Tom, W3IWI





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Subject: RS robot QSL info please
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 20:54:25 win
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Please again,
what is the QSL info for RS robots contacts ? Help !
Thanks in advance.
Maurice in Italy
[e-mail]


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:41 1995
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Subject: SEEK SAT ANTENNA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 03:00:08 CET
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Hello and thanks for read this.

I' need information about the 'M2' antenna made in FRESNO (California)
This antenna is a circular pol. dipole for VHF or UHF HAM bands and I
Can't
find it in Spain.

If you Know the address fom this antenna, please send me full
information
by e-mail.

73's. EA7AZH (Carmelo)
        [e-mail]

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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
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>More data points would allow us to extrapolate a curve, but
>one data point tells us almost nothing. All it says is that
>intelligent life is *possible*, but says nothing about whether
>it is a 1 in 10^100 fluke, or a 1 to 1 dead certainty.

>Gary


And upon what premise, sir, do you base your assumption that there is
life on Earth?




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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:43 1995
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Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
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Jim Weir ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >More data points would allow us to extrapolate a curve, but
: >one data point tells us almost nothing. All it says is that
: >intelligent life is *possible*, but says nothing about whether
: >it is a 1 in 10^100 fluke, or a 1 to 1 dead certainty.

: >Gary


: And upon what premise, sir, do you base your assumption that there is
: life on Earth?

Oh, there is life ...  but is there *intelligent* life? :^)



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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Albert E. Manfredi)
Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Casanova) writes:

>Belief is outside the purview of science. You can believe that the probability
>of life is large, small, or anything in between, but the only real data you
>have comes from the solar system, and specifically from this planet. The fact
>that the same elements are present throughout the observable universe does
>*not* mean that the same results occurred everywhere, or even anywhere. Like
>you, I believe that life almost certainly exists elsewhere, but I refuse to
>try to justify that belief by attempting to generate probabilities from
>insufficient data. Since we have only speculation regarding the origin of life
>here, there is no way we can project events here on to the universe at large.

In the absence of real evidence of life elsewhere, of course, all one can
do is speculate. It's not wrong to speculate; it's not even "unscientific."
In fact, it's what leads to exploration.

I have four items to offer with respect to this issue:

1. We know that life on earth happened. Therefore we know that the
probability of life forming is greater than 0. But we do not know of
any limit to the size of the universe. So, speculating, we have a non-
zero probability of life forming and a virtually limitless number of
samples out there (i.e. "opportunities"). Makes it seem almost ludicrous
to be pessimistic about this.

2. We know that chemical reactions happen elsewhere just as they do here.
I mean, for instance, our sun does not operate on principles that are in
any way unique. Nor are meteorological phenomena different here from
what they are in other planets we know about. So that's more evidence that
this solar system and planet are hardly going to end up being the unique
one among trillions.

3. We know that water exists elsewhere in the universe (e.g. in comets),
so that important ingredient is not unique to Earth.


4. And finally, to me this is a little bit like picking up a grain of
sand on one beach, just one grain, and swearing that _this_ grain is
fundamentally different from all other grains of sand in every beach
on earth. Failing chemical analysis of even a single other grain, I
suppose one might wonder if it were true. But most reasonable people
would _speculate_ that bullshit, this grain is probably very similar to
zillions of others.

Bert
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Anthony John Xenos)
Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
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The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on
other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible,
and the universe is big) is ridiculous.  Think about the beach analogy.
Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on.  You
reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime.  Would you
assume that the beach was made of dimes?  Of course not.  You could only begin
to draw any type of conclusion if you started thinking about a number of
possiblities.  Granted, where astronomy is concerned these must be ROUGH
estimates.  But a margin of error of any less 50% gets us closer to the answer
of a yes/no question.

If the best estimates yield a prediction of between 50 and 100,000,000 other
planets with life (made-up numbers) 50 being the extreme conservative number,
we've got an answer.

I am reminded of a gentleman who knew the letter if not the spirit of
statistics.  He read one day before making a trip by plane that the probability
of of someone bringing a bomb onto a plane was 1:250,000.  While this was low,
he wasn't satified.  He brought his own bomb on the trip, certain that the
probability of there being TWO bombs on the plane was 1:62,500,000,000--a much
safer risk.


>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Casan
>ova) writes:
>
>>Belief is outside the purview of science. You can believe that the probability
>
>>of life is large, small, or anything in between, but the only real data you
>>have comes from the solar system, and specifically from this planet. The fact
>>that the same elements are present throughout the observable universe does
>>*not* mean that the same results occurred everywhere, or even anywhere. Like
>>you, I believe that life almost certainly exists elsewhere, but I refuse to
>>try to justify that belief by attempting to generate probabilities from
>>insufficient data. Since we have only speculation regarding the origin of life
>
>>here, there is no way we can project events here on to the universe at large.
>
>In the absence of real evidence of life elsewhere, of course, all one can
>do is speculate. It's not wrong to speculate; it's not even "unscientific."
>In fact, it's what leads to exploration.
>
>I have four items to offer with respect to this issue:
>
>1. We know that life on earth happened. Therefore we know that the
>probability of life forming is greater than 0. But we do not know of
>any limit to the size of the universe. So, speculating, we have a non-
>zero probability of life forming and a virtually limitless number of
>samples out there (i.e. "opportunities"). Makes it seem almost ludicrous
>to be pessimistic about this.
>
>2. We know that chemical reactions happen elsewhere just as they do here.
>I mean, for instance, our sun does not operate on principles that are in
>any way unique. Nor are meteorological phenomena different here from
>what they are in other planets we know about. So that's more evidence that
>this solar system and planet are hardly going to end up being the unique
>one among trillions.
>
>3. We know that water exists elsewhere in the universe (e.g. in comets),
>so that important ingredient is not unique to Earth.
>
>
>4. And finally, to me this is a little bit like picking up a grain of
>sand on one beach, just one grain, and swearing that _this_ grain is
>fundamentally different from all other grains of sand in every beach
>on earth. Failing chemical analysis of even a single other grain, I
>suppose one might wonder if it were true. But most reasonable people
>would _speculate_ that bullshit, this grain is probably very similar to
>zillions of others.
>
>Bert
>[e-mail]
--
--
Tony Xenos                                                     Craig A. Butz
10 Hocking Street                                          2498 Mineral Road
Athens, Ohio 45701                           New Marshfield, Ohio 45766-9747


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: STS-74 Prelaunch KEPS?
Date: 10 Nov 95 14:27:56 GMT
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In <47lg7a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (BourkeE) writes:
>Where can I get pre-launch Keps or two-line data for STS-74???

I haven't seen any released yet, but when they are you can get them from

        ftp:  ftp.cts.com  dir:  pub/garym/elements
or
        <http://www.cts.com/browse/garym/elements>

--GaryM


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Bickel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: TS-790A vs.FT-736R
Date: 9 Nov 1995 06:06:01 GMT
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I think I've noticed that most Oscar operators use the Yaesu FT-736R with the Kenwood
TS-790A being almost universally rejected as a satellite rig.Can anyone explain why?.I'm
sure its got to be some feature thats just not quite right with the Kenwood.
Thanks for your comments.
Robert  KO6PL



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: TS-790A vs.FT-736R
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <47s5o9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Bickel) writes:
>I think I've noticed that most Oscar operators use the Yaesu FT-736R with the Kenwood
>TS-790A being almost universally rejected as a satellite rig.Can anyone explain why?.I'm
>sure its got to be some feature thats just not quite right with the Kenwood.
>Thanks for your comments.
>Robert  KO6PL

The TS-790A has several *glaring* faults, but the worst one for satellite
use is that you can't use the narrow filters in the subband receiver.
That's the receiver you *use* when listening to the satellite because
you're transmitting on the main band unit. Major oops! Also, to make
it track tune in sat mode, you have to *hold the SAT button in*, major
oops. And the thermal design really sucks, the 70cm output module gets
*very* hot under normal use. The main unit receiver is pretty good, but
*you don't use it* for satellite.

The FT-736R is a bit long in the tooth, and can't do independent
dual band receive, but for satellite use it is still the champ.
It works the way you *need* it to work.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (Bruce W. Forsberg)
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Subject: Updated Dove Sat. Decoder FREEWARE
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   I have just come out with a new version of my DOVE satellite
decoder program (V2.0). It will decode the telemetry data that comes
from the DOVE amateur radio satellite. In this release are numerous
bug fixes and some new graphing capabilities. It requires windows 3.1,
a packet TNC and a 2 meter rig. This program is FREEWARE and is
available from the following sources:

Internet FTP
   ftp.amsat.org    /amsat/software/windows/telemetry/dovedv20.zip

RadioSport BBS
  619-279-3921     dovedv20.zip

Mail
   In the US and Canada  send $1 and I'll provide disk, mailer, and
postage. Please specifiy disk size (5.25, 3.5) and send to:
    Bruce  Forsberg
    11178 Batavia Circle
    San Diego, CA. 92126





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From: [e-mail] (Ken Durham)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT ALL THE UFO POSTING ON THIS NEWSGROUP?
Date: 9 Nov 1995 14:37:47 GMT
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 Does anyone know if there is a way to get these guys to edit their
newsgroup header so that the responses to the SPAMED post don't
end up here and in sci.space.shuttle instead of just in alt.paranet.ufo?
 Can an administrator somewhere filter out this junk?

Ken   K5MBV  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT ALL THE UFO POSTING ON THIS NEWSGROUP?
Sender: [e-mail]
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In article <47t3nr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Durham) wrote:

->  Does anyone know if there is a way to get these guys to edit their
-> newsgroup header so that the responses to the SPAMED post don't
-> end up here and in sci.space.shuttle instead of just in alt.paranet.ufo?
->  Can an administrator somewhere filter out this junk?
->
-> Ken   K5MBV  [e-mail]

Get a Newsreader program with a "Kill" file and or learn how to use the
one you already have to kill threads that you find offensive then you will
not have to play censor for the rest of us.

--
Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:54 1995
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From: Carl Gregory <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: WinOrbit 2.7 (tracking software) available
Date: 7 Nov 1995 18:12:22 GMT
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The latest version of WinOrbit (2.7) is now available on oak.oakland.edu
and ftp.amsat.org.  It may be available soon on ftp.seds.org, also.

This program is free (although a plug for donations to the AMSAT Phase
IIID program is included).  A description of changes, and an overview of
the program, are given below:

New Features in version 2.7
---------------------------
* Full state vector information (including velocity components)
   in both EFG and ECI coordinate systems.  Import state vector
   files.
* Alternate satellite information databases such as "The
   Satellite Encyclopedia" may now be accessed directly.
* "Phase" information group in the Info Window is now the "Orbit"
   group, and includes the Squint Angle.
* Crude calculation of spacecraft antenna and observer antenna
   pattern loss.  Groundplane, turnstile, isotropic, and
   steerable antennas are supported.
* New window arrangement option: "Stack", in the Window Menu.
* The lines of latitude and longitude can now be turned off to
   create cleaner maps for export.
* Improved timekeeping for real time mode on slow computers.


Bug fixes in 2.7
----------------
* Orbit number (Rev) and Mean Anomaly (MA) now updated properly
   with SGP/SGP4 models.
* Updating of Keplerian Elements with SGP/SGP4 models improved.
* Fixed crash when Sun or Moon selected while using non-USA date
   formats.
* Fixed bug preventing proper element update after propagation
   to specified epoch.


Program Overview
----------------
WinOrbit is a program for computing artificial Earth-satellite
position and visibility, with the Amateur Radio satellite
operator in mind.  It was written for the Microsoft Windows 3.1
operating system.  WinOrbit is free (not shareware).  The
latest version is 2.7.

The principal feature of the program is a series of tracking
windows, one per satellite, which display the current position of
the satellite and the observer on a simple world map, together
with information such as footprint, past ground track, bearing
(azimuth), distance, and elevation above the observer's horizon.

Additional features include:
* Simultaneous tracking of up to 20 satellites.
* Sun/Moon tracking built in.
* Real-time, pseudo-real-time, and manual calculation modes.
* "View from space" map presentation showing what a particular
     satellite sees.
* Selectable tracking detail, including doppler shift, free-
     space path loss, satellite and observer antenna pattern
     effects for a single satellite.
* Display sun position for eclipse determination, and other
     observers for mutual visibility.
* "Show DX" for all stations within the satellite footprint, and
     "what's up" for all satellites visible at observer QTH.
* 4 different orbital calculation algorithms (selectable).
* Tracking data (Keplerian element sets) read directly from
     standard, off-the-air bulletins in three different formats (up
     to 500 satellites).  No pre-processing is needed, just
     grab a bulletin file, headers and all.  Reads AMSAT, NASA
     or vector formats.
* Propagation of pre-launch keps and other element updates.
* Utility functions for modifying and comparing published element
     sets, including post-launch updating of pre-launch elements,
     and saving composite data files compiled from various
     sources.
* Observer (QTH) data (latitude, longitude) may be imported from
     a simple text database (up to 1000 locations).  Entry by
     grid-square or mouse-on-map is possible.
* Flexible entry of latitude, longitude, date and time.
* Printing of tables of tracking data (Ephemerides) in several
     formats.  Printing does not interrupt tracking.  Output
     may be directed to disk file or printer.
* On-line help, including glossary and direct lookup of text
     information about all Amateur satellites from the map
     windows.  All hamsats since Oscar I included.
* Standard Windows interface for all functions - no commands to
     memorize.  Both mouse and keyboard can be used for most
     functions.
* DDE server interface to tracking-antenna hardware controllers.

This program is available via internet, by anonymous ftp from:
   ftp.amsat.org in /amsat/software/windows/tracking/winorb27.zip
   oak.oakland.edu  /pub3/hamradio/pc/satellite/winorb27.zip
   ftp.seds.org     /pub/software/pc/sat/winorb27.zip

The Microsoft file VBRUN300.DLL is required.  It is available separately
(and free) from many of the same sources.

Future enhancements will include (depending upon interest):
   Bug fixes (when reported by users)
   Corrected/augmented satellite information supplied by users.
   Enhanced satellite database maintenance features
   Additional table formats (as requested by users)
   Fancier map formats
   Speedups






From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:55 1995
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From: Jean-Philippe Donnio <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: WinOrbit 2.7 (tracking software) available
Date: 10 Nov 1995 13:52:22 GMT
Organization: Universite de Caen, France
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Carl Gregory <[e-mail]> wrote:

>New Features in version 2.7
>---------------------------

>* Alternate satellite information databases such as "The
>   Satellite Encyclopedia" may now be accessed directly.

Just a correction to WinOrbit's help file: TSE's web site is now
http://www.tele-satellit.com/tse/

You may also get the package from
ftp://ftp.tele-satellit.com/pub/tse/tse032.zip

WinOrbit together with TSE is really great! Give it a try!

--
Jean-Philippe Donnio
univ: [e-mail]     http://www.info.unicaen.fr/~jpdonnio/
work: [e-mail]   http://tele-satellit.com/tse/tag.html
home: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLK061 Keplerian data
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SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK061
ARLK061 Keplerian data

ZCZC SK86
QST de W1AW
Keplerian Bulletin 61  ARLK061
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington, CT  November 11, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB KEP ARL ARLK061
ARLK061 Keplerian data

Thanks to NASA, AMSAT and WA5QGD for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

STS-74
1 99974U          95315.59818964  .01006020  00000-0  19864-3 0    15
2 99974  51.6456 140.1652 0103509   5.0168 355.2008 16.17694769    25
Mir
1 16609U 86017A   95313.86156770  .00003998  00000-0  58925-4 0  3081
2 16609  51.6451 148.0817 0003574 304.4745  55.5910 15.57982282555662
AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   95301.79734081 -.00000147  00000-0  10000-3 0 03832
2 14129  26.4483 241.3041 5979377 321.7524   8.2043  2.05879727065085
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   95312.04588371  .00000040  00000-0  27245-4 0 01351
2 18129  82.9245 312.7342 0013329  54.0088 306.2297 13.72358626419701
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   95312.00762864  .00000185  00000-0  39090-4 0 08425
2 14781  97.7871 307.8396 0012997  81.2952 278.9721 14.69396068625026
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   95313.18472939  .00000038  00000-0  24104-4 0  8435
2 21089  82.9230 353.2460 0030062 125.8627 234.5324 13.74061957238684
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   95312.96962799  .00000049  00000-0  18599-3 0  1088
2 19216  57.4296 154.0272 7346381  23.2353 357.6953  2.09725300 25200
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   95313.21104328  .00000008  00000-0  19745-4 0  1385
2 20437  98.5617  35.2020 0011274 127.7188 232.5021 14.29902293302477
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   95312.62980964 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0   900
2 23439  64.8177  21.3820 0166782 237.5072 120.9633 11.27524533 35801
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   95312.19769396  .00000017  00000-0  23609-4 0 09444
2 20439  98.5733  36.0735 0011380 131.3227 228.8935 14.29956970302342
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   95312.10199304  .00000004  00000-0  18366-4 0 09465
2 20440  98.5752  36.5063 0011577 130.8060 229.4116 14.30098549302351
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   95312.22711386 -.00000010  00000-0  13131-4 0  9417
2 20441  98.5747  36.5887 0011957 131.1486 229.0722 14.30068876302379
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   95313.77866589  .00000012  00000-0  21505-4 0  9364
2 20442  98.5765  38.5280 0012531 126.2320 234.0023 14.30173898302618
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   95312.17852060 -.00000057  00000-0 -47015-4 0  8338
2 20480  99.0641  13.9479 0539795 267.4453  86.4773 12.83231287269411
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   95313.45137067  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0  6484
2 21087  82.9386 125.0833 0036574 100.1595 260.3690 13.74561131239680
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   95313.67450737  .00000040  00000-0  27791-4 0  6435
2 21575  98.3820  21.2935 0006833 203.0488 157.0401 14.36998521226397
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   95312.04093367 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0 05360
2 22077  66.0826 294.5777 0001385  10.3582 349.7458 12.86293162152238
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   95313.71059574 -.00000002  00000-0  16512-4 0  4087
2 22828  98.6027  28.1583 0010032 136.8018 223.3945 14.28118441 78643
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   95312.13600329  .00000011  00000-0  21967-4 0 04393
2 22826  98.6069  26.5631 0008812 156.3426 203.8162 14.27785634110314
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   95312.12288431 -.00000001  00000-0  17211-4 0 04350
2 22825  98.6069  26.4292 0008136 155.2622 204.8926 14.27677562110308
PO-28
1 22829U 93061G   95313.23382290  .00000082  00000-0  50443-4 0  4223
2 22829  98.6022  27.7314 0010003 138.0376 222.1565 14.28099902110490

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Tuesday,
November 14, 1995, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX


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SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK062
ARLK062 Keplerian data

ZCZC SK87
QST de W1AW
Keplerian Bulletin 62  ARLK062
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington, CT  November 14, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB KEP ARL ARLK062
ARLK062 Keplerian data

Thanks to NASA, AMSAT and WA5QGD for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

STS-74
1 23714U 95061A   95317.25000000 -.00002321  10914-4  47888-5 0    56
2 23714  51.6446 131.2680 0030009 358.8952 220.1795 15.83902278   100
Mir
1 16609U 86017A   95317.13283933  .00000260  00000-0  10000-4 0 03190
2 16609  51.6452 131.6864 0003258 318.1455  41.9288 15.57997099556178
HST
1 20580U 90037B   95317.04053563  .00000575  00000-0  41780-4 0 07589
2 20580  28.4695 174.2781 0006245  59.3667 300.7553 14.90971675106148
AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   95316.85354834 -.00000437  00000-0  10000-3 0 03864
2 14129  26.4596 238.8914 5980347 325.8738   7.2978  2.05881975065399
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   95317.00363646  .00000034  00000-0  20321-4 0 01427
2 18129  82.9236 309.0667 0013107  42.5906 317.6260 13.72358879420387
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   95316.97865738  .00000173  00000-0  36952-4 0 08486
2 14781  97.7873 312.5802 0013026  66.7600 293.4979 14.69398207625759
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   95317.11690190  .00000056  00000-0  42915-4 0 08646
2 21089  82.9228 350.3299 0030343 115.1267 245.3037 13.74062397239224
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   95313.92325061  .00000169  00000-0  18600-3 0 01097
2 19216  57.4290 153.8446 7346677  23.3155 357.6829  2.09723983025222
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   95317.26958387  .00000032  00000-0  29111-4 0  1392
2 20437  98.5613  39.1918 0011440 115.9257 244.3103 14.29903038303058
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   95317.06450748 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0 01119
2 23439  64.8167  14.2116 0167019 236.6946 121.7891 11.27524335036304
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   95317.16571784  .00000018  00000-0  23831-4 0 09536
2 20439  98.5730  40.9647 0011687 117.1069 243.1306 14.29957574303053
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   95317.13949044  .00000023  00000-0  25557-4 0 09514
2 20440  98.5750  41.4687 0011783 116.3138 243.9256 14.30099200303071
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   95317.12478166  .00000026  00000-0  26959-4 0 09437
2 20441  98.5747  41.4134 0012240 116.8447 243.3976 14.30069660303072
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   95317.13682039  .00000027  00000-0  27107-4 0 09555
2 20442  98.5762  41.8366 0012799 116.9503 243.2988 14.30174457303099
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   95317.16840017 -.00000024  00000-0  26936-4 0 08401
2 20480  99.0632  18.0037 0539854 256.1426  97.9069 12.83231773270055
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   95316.94536548  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0 06534
2 21087  82.9385 122.4973 0036556  90.5479 269.9865 13.74561377240164
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   95317.08636486  .00000097  00000-0  47200-4 0 06609
2 21575  98.3813  24.6147 0006780 191.6508 168.4534 14.36999827226884
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   95317.01697194 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0 05416
2 22077  66.0810 284.1575 0002019   3.1050 356.9977 12.86293196152870
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   95317.07357942  .00000042  00000-0  34429-4 0 04248
2 22828  98.6024  31.4704 0010253 127.1050 233.1108 14.28119111079125
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   95317.11157497  .00000038  00000-0  32830-4 0 04423
2 22826  98.6067  31.4639 0008981 141.1106 219.0747 14.27786357111029
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   95317.09883133 -.00000000  00000-0  17559-4 0 04401
2 22825  98.6064  31.3281 0008583 140.4100 219.7691 14.27678097111016
PO-28
1 22829U 93061G   95317.15735651  .00000017  00000-0  24254-4 0 04499
2 22829  98.6016  31.5949 0010162 126.5811 233.6303 14.28099927111059

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Saturday,
November 18, 1995, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX


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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed
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In article <$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
 >
 >SB SPACE @ ARL $ARLS022
 >ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed
 >
 >ZCZC AS02
 >QST de W1AW
 >Space Bulletin 022  ARLS022
 >From ARRL Headquarters
 >Newington, CT  November 10, 1995
 >To all radio amateurs
 >
 >SB SPACE ARL ARLS022
 >ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed
 >
[snip, snip]

 >For more information on the SAREX program, visit the SAREX home page
 >on the World Wide Web at
 >
 >          http://www.nasa.gov/sarex/sarexmainpage.html

That URL has a typo.  I was able to reach it via:

          http://www.nasa.gov/sarex/sarex_mainpage.html

73,

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John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Azimuth Calibrator
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>Somewhere in the last few months I saw a reference to a simple device for
>azimuth calibration to the sun. I believe the reference was to an AMSAT article
>but I don't belong and have not been able to find the info. If anyone out there
>either has or can guide me to the information it would be appreciated.

All you need is a long tube with an end cap (on the sunward side) with
a pinhole in its middle. Put a target with an X on it at the back end.
When the projected solar disc is centered on the X, the tube is pointed
at the sun. If the tube is mounted so that its axis is parallel to the
antenna main lobe, you're now boresighted on the sun. Use an almanac
and an accurate clock to determine the sun's position, and you have a
calibration for the antenna position.

Gary

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From: Tom Clark <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Azimuth Calibrator
Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:16:07 GMT
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No, it wasn't an article. I posted a piece on the [e-mail] mailing
list pointing out that if you put a stick in the ground on a sunny day on flat,
horizontal ground, and note the tip of the shadow at two times split around
local noon, then the line connecting those two points is (nearly) an east-west
line. The (nearly) deviations from "perfect" are zero at the solstice (Jun.21
and Dec.21) and are < 1/2 degree maximum at the equinoxes (Mar.21 and Sep 21).

This trick goes all the way back to the Egyptian pyramid builders who used it
to align the bases of the pyramids N/S/E/W.

Tom Clark, W3IWI




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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Convolutional Coding/Differential Coding
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In article <488g5p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob Salter) writes:
>I am working with equipment which supports BPSK and OQPSK 'convolutional
>decoding' with k numbers and r numbers. Can anyone EMail me a thumbnail
>explanation? How does it relate to differential? Thanks

Pick up a copy of _Digital Modulation and Coding_ by Stephen Wilson.
It has a lucid explanation of convolutional coding. It's not something
that can be explained in a few words.

Gary
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[e-mail] (Bruce Micales) wrote:

>In the first instance, I am clearly stating as to why I want your name..I do
>keep a log of my contacts.  Also this information can be used for sending QSL
>cards.  All of this is quickly said by asking for your name for the log.
>However, I guess I could say "I would like to know your name because I am a
>nice guy,, I am keeping a log, and I might send you a QSL card".  Hmmmm, seems
>a bit to much.

You prove my point that hams could give a damn about YOU they want your
name for the LOG so they can get an impersonal QSL card. Frequently I
hear hams on repeaters ask for a name FOR THE LOG, and not even a log for hams
there. Explain?



>Hams are very personable otherwise you would not have FM voice, AM voice, SSB
>voice, or even ATV.
>Bruce Micales

Be serious.
On voice what PERSONAL things do they say?

#================#=====================================================#
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From: [e-mail]@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Don Kirkman)
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From: [e-mail] (Don Kirkman)
Subject: Re: Do it for the log.
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>To: Multiple recipients of list HAM-L <[e-mail]>

And countless others, it turns out :-)

>How many times have you heards folks say that they wanted the other
>guy's name, QTH, etc. for the log? My log couldn't care less about
>that information. Whenever I ask, it's because I want to know.

Hey, guys, why was this posted in puzzles, running, skiing, and half a
dozen other groups?  Ham related I can understand, but PLEASE look at
the cross-posted groups!

BTW, I picked this up in rec.running, but I always wanted the name
also--and of course I wrote it IN the log (where else, back in the old
pre-computer days?)  73.  N6IM

Don Kirkman           [e-mail]
Cerritos, CA
If I had a life I'd be having a mid-life crisis


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From: Georgios  Tsoukalas <s8989370>
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Subject: Life elsewere ?? Was: UFO ...
Date: 13 Nov 1995 05:40:47 GMT
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>I have four items to offer with respect to this issue:
>
>1. We know that life on earth happened. Therefore we know that the
>probability of life forming is greater than 0. But we do not know of
>any limit to the size of the universe. So, speculating, we have a non-
>zero probability of life forming and a virtually limitless number of
>samples out there (i.e. "opportunities"). Makes it seem almost ludicrous
>to be pessimistic about this.

        We can't even say that. If you have an open mind, you may think
that the "I think therfore I am" quote is the best evidence we have of the
sence of self. But forget that, you see we have nothing to loose if we
beleave that we exist.

        Another quote I remeber from Stephen Hawkins is:
"No matter what the probability is that we got here, we made it".
I can't remeber how he put it, but the meaning is there. Who he was
arguing against was creationists. Their argument is that look at how many
things could have gone wrong ! To start chemistry .. if ice didn't float
there would be no life ... (There are thousands of those). Then
astronomy ... if the earth wasn't this big, this far from the sun.
If the sun wasn't this big. Then we have history (for any historical
figure we are a virtual impossibility ie. think of the chance any one
sperm has :-) )  And so on. All these lead to the current events being
practicaly impossible. So it may be that the probability that life
can occur anywere again is zero if we round it to to X number of
zeroes. (Think X being big enough to exclude all planets)

        My conculsion from the above are ...
        The probability that this happens again are impossible  to work out.
We have no way of guessing because we can't even comprehend the luck we
had to make it this. So the argument of probability is mute. It's just
the last resort from those that want to beleave there is life elsewre . They
start backwards. Let's assume there is life elsewere. Now let's shape our
argument to prove it is so, and ignore directions that would prove it otherwise.

        Another point from S. Hawkins quote would be, "we made it so far".
That only speaks of the past. There is no evidence everything will fail
in the next three seconds. One of the increadable impossibilities would
work agaist us, ie a chain reaction in water would make ice sink, carbon
molecules will brake down .. and so on.


>
>2. We know that chemical reactions happen elsewhere just as they do here.
>I mean, for instance, our sun does not operate on principles that are in
>any way unique. Nor are meteorological phenomena different here from
>what they are in other planets we know about. So that's more evidence that
>this solar system and planet are hardly going to end up being the unique
>one among trillions.

        We only assume that the reason life exists are those chemical
reactions that occured on earth. What if we assume that the only reason life
exists are the exact conditions as well as the order of events. When the earth
cooled, what the temperature of the sun was and when. The creation
of the layers of atmosphere since the earth began (no ozone layer now no life,
if there was an ozone layer then no life). You cannot doubt the fact that
it's impossible to duplicate the exact situation to start with as well as
the exact order of events. Unless you go back to your infinite sample
theorem. That's not possible, and I don't think many scientists
beleave this. My excuse agaist that would be: Consider the big bang. Since
the BB, material is rushing outwards. Nothing is beond that boundary,
therfore there is a limit to the size of "everything". Making it big enough
is like the scientists looking for dark matter. They just assume it exists
and start making up theories to prove it does. (a more legit persuit, but
so far it cannot be proven). ("So far ..." does not mean "Eventualy will be
proven".


>
>3. We know that water exists elsewhere in the universe (e.g. in comets),
>so that important ingredient is not unique to Earth.

        That means practicaly nothing. If 50% of the reason life exists
is water, it's like saying that you need 100 ingreadiants to make a "X",
if you ensure that 50 are there. You still don't have "X". This is proved by
above. Your evidence that there is water did not prove that there is life (ie.
comets).  I'd say more fundamentaly that to have life you need matter. It's
existance proves nothing about lifes existance. Basicaly for now all we know is
that you need 100 ingreadiants AND the recipy. ie. Same argument as above
you need the whole history of earth in the order it occured as well as
earth. The margin of error that may exist is the only hope you have of other
life elsewere. Like I said, we don't know what that margin is. It can span
from zero for the non-beleavers to 1 for the beleavers. And they get their data
from the same pot. Don't forget, by stating that Water is the most important
element in life, you are assuming you know something you don't.



>
>4. And finally, to me this is a little bit like picking up a grain of
>sand on one beach, just one grain, and swearing that _this_ grain is
>fundamentally different from all other grains of sand in every beach
>on earth. Failing chemical analysis of even a single other grain, I
>suppose one might wonder if it were true. But most reasonable people
>would _speculate_ that bullshit, this grain is probably very similar to
>zillions of others.
>

        If the exact molecule count as well as the order those molecules
are aranged is what matters ... good luck finding a second. Your above argument
simply does one thing. What you fear are the increadable number of variables
involved in life on earth. So pshycologicaly what you do is choose an example
that get's rid of those variables. That seems to be uniform with all others.
You then present it as similar to the case earth-life. Not realy. But even
though I doubt ther are any beaches with two grains of sand that are
the same. I doubt there are two on earth. Consider the variables molecular
count, order of composition, Identity of molecules, molecular isotopes.
Consider that we are coming up with many new particles all the time. So who
knows what "ingrediants" went into making the grain you picked up. Put it
under a microscope and consider the chance there is anothe one like it.
Now make an earth and fill it with sand. What is the chance there is another
person somewere that has made the same bowl full of sand identicle
down to the last grain.

        Not if ice didn't flote in his universe ...

>Bert
>[e-mail]
>

        George
        [e-mail]



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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:13:00 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Juergen Morawietz)
Subject: Re: MIR HAM-ing on 2m/70cm ???
Message-ID: <MSGID_242=3A6000=2F106.41=[e-mail]>
References: <47sh6r$[e-mail]>
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Hallo Waldemar!

[e-mail] wrote:

 kp> approx. each day I am checking the announced frequencies, when MIR is
 kp> flying over Europe. Until now I don't have heard anything. Is anyone
 kp> out there who had a QSO (Phonie-FM) with DP1MIR?

Didn't your hear the Packet-Transmissions from R0MIR on 145.550 MHz either?

I heard them almost every day here in northern Germany in the past two
weeks. It was a rather strong signal.

Last time I heard Mir was today at 11:30 UTC.

I read something about Thomas Reiters problems with the HAM-equipment in
the 'Deutschlandrundspruch' released by the German amateur radio league
DARC. It is in german language. Let me know, if I shall e-mail it to
you.

The first QSOs with German stations were made by Thomas (DP0MIR) on Oct.29
at 145.800MHz.


--
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    - Juergen -                             Fido(C&L) :  2:2449/422.41


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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:14:00 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Juergen Morawietz)
Subject: Re: MIR HAM-ing on 2m/70cm ???
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Hallo Waldemar!

[e-mail] wrote:

 kp> Is anyone out there who had a QSO (Phonie-FM) with DP1MIR?

The following excerpt of the Space-News from Oct.30 may be interesting
for you (and others) too:

* EUROMIR 95 - FAX FROM DP0MIR *
================================
The following fax from Thomas, DP0MIR (DF4TR) was received on 12-Oct-95
by Thomas, DL2MDE, of the Ham Radio Group at Deutsche Forschungsanstalt.
Here he describes the actual situation onboard concerning ham-activities,
and comments by the German Ham Radio Group are also included.

"Now HAM-radio: this is a sad story!  The old station" (Icom 228) "is
working, but only in simplex mode.  Apparetly there is a way of channel-
switching (i.e. one frequency for transmitting and another one for
receiving), but I have no clue how to select or activate this - and of
course, there is NO F...DOCUMENTATION ON BOARD, neither for the old
station nor for the new one!!!" (TM733)

        We from DF0VR try to send several information on board
        but have problems with packet radio (see below) !!
        Direct ways also do not solve the difficulties !!

"Two weeks ago on Sunday I installed the new station and a few days later
the new power supply (everything extremely improvised - cables hanging
around, cables I soldered together...)."

        He does whatever is possible, several stations from W, VK,
        ZL, G confirmed this fact to us.  Sometimes Thomas also
        switched on the digital voice memory.

"The new station is working in the voice mode, but the modems cannot be
initialized- one of the new modems has a connector for the 2nd serial
port of the computer, which doesn't fit (two "mamas");

There is an antenna switch supposed to be onboard - we can't find it;
There is a 'duplexer-box', which allows to run the new station in the
two frequency bands (145+430 MHz) over one antenna - we can't find it;

Radio Amateurs already ask us since we are here, when the new station will
be installed and when we can run in duplex mode and when they can use the
70 cm band (430 MHz) and, and, and...

Then the guys in Oberpfaffenhofen request a special frequency for making
packet-transfer, but Sergei and Juri don't like to change the frequency
which is almost the whole day (145.55), because the whole rest of the
world is communication with us - or better - with the packet-controller
on this frequency".

        Skeds between DP0MIR and DF0VR on dedicated frequencies are
        needed to transmit special information for the installation
        of equipment, international frequency agreements, ham operation
        onboard, skeds for school stations...  If you should listen to
        such a contact please don't try to speak with Thomas.  This
        information transfer is of interest for all of us!!!!!!

"Last week I had a contact with a guy in southern Germany- not one of the
OBI-guys" (OBI = call of radio beacon from Oberpfaffenhofen)", who seemed
to be already a little bit embarrassed, because the new equipment is not
yet running.  And then he asked me, if I am feeling better in the meantime!
I told him, that I feel absolutely great, and asked why I should feel
better.  He told me, he had heard that I was quite ill, but am on my
way of recovery!  No comment on this s*** (sorry!).

For some nights we had selected the frequency which was requested by OBI-
I even set up a message for Kieselbach" (Thomas, DL2MDE) "on the controller
- but they say, they cannot connect!  The whole world can connect to our
station, but apparently the signals from Germany are reflected or attenuated
in a magic way.  I am feeling bad for these guys, because they seem to have
some expectations, which we can't fulfill yet.  I think it would be certainly
good to have the uplink-capability from OBI, but at the moment it looks
not so bright."

        In the last time visibility of MIR for DF0VR was only in the night
        time (TsUP-time).  We tried to connect to R0MIR-1, but at this
        time we only heard the packet beacon from MIR.  Connecting was not
        possible.  We have information that tonights the AF level onboard
        is reduced.  In our opinion this AF level is not sufficient to
        connect to the BBS.  Presently we try to inform Thomas about this
        fact.

[Info via Thomas, DL2MDE, and Joerg, DL3LUM]


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From: Guenter Koellner <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Moon track software
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:00:28 -0800
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hello,

I implemented lately a tracking algorythm in C language on a
80C535. Its controlling my 6 times 33ele on 70cm and did its job
well during the ARRL EME contest last weekend. The code is
standard C, source available.

This C code was converted from a TURBU-PASCAL source. So this
source is also availabe.

You should mail me a short mail if you need it.

vy 73, Guenter, DL4MEA@DB0KCP.#BAY.DEU.EU   (AX.25)
                [e-mail]             (Internet)
                HTTP://WWW.SCN.DE/~KOELLNER (WWW)
                UO-22, KO-23 & KO-25        (Pacsats)


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[e-mail] (Bill Nelson) wrote:

>Please people, don't post all sorts of responses to this spam - it will not
>do any good.  What will work is sending a complaint to [e-mail],
>including the complete article.
>
>You will find that the person will have a severe "talking to" by the
>administrator - if the account is not pulled. Most universities have
>a statement in their user agreement that such posts are illegal and
>ground for immediate account revocation.
>
>Bill

No sooner said than done.

Tom



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It appears that the AOL filter into newsgroups doesn't allow us to do it.
Is there some other way  except just not responding at all -- or is THAT
the best way?


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From: [e-mail] (Charles R. Sufana)
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I am thinking of buying a G5400 rotor for satellite work and was wondering if
that rotor has the capability to make north think it is south and vice versa
while under computer control.  The reason for the question is that I have been
involved with 2 schools that had a successful SAREX contact and we made sure
that the rotors (normal azimuth not computer controlled types ) would not run
into a mechanical stop in the middle of the pass.  I didn't want to wait 50
seconds or so for the rotor to go back around.  So in most cases, our rotors
had north as mechanical stop and for 1 mission (2 days ago) we made north
into south and south into north.  Obviously under hand control there is no
problem (other than relabeling everything), but what about under computer
control?  I run Quiktrak.

A second question involves dressing up the coax cable off of the antenna.
Does the pattern get screwed up if the cable is taped to the antenna boom to
get back to the cross boom?  Or does it really need to be hanging in a big
loop?

Thanks in advance.

73s,

Charlie Sufana AJ9N       Internet  [e-mail]

 ComEd - A Div. of Unicom (formerly Commonwealth Edison Co.)
 Work address: ComEd, System Protection Dept. 1039E, 125 S. Clark St.,
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Who are you going to call?  Fault busters!

 Prodigy Internet   [e-mail]






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From: [e-mail]@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Scott Leaf)
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE
UFO LOOP.
Organization: Mountain DX Club VA7SM

In article <482tdm$[e-mail]>, Cal Deal <[e-mail]> wrote:

-> Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate
-> location.

Learn how to use a 'KILL' file to stop the thread from showing up on YOUR
screen if you find it so offensive.  We dont need censorship on the Net.

--
Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To Boldy VHF Where No Man Has VHFed Before"
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From: William.J..Keaton@William.J..Keaton@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (William J. Keaton)
Date: 12 Nov 95 12:45:00
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From: [e-mail] (William J. Keaton)
Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE
UFO LOOP.
Organization: Voice of America

In article <ve7zvz-1111950131490001@206.12.26.44> [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Glenn Hansen) wrote:
>
>-> PLEASE REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP.
>
>-> rec.radio.amateur.space.  It is a great waste of bandwidth. When you post a

>-> reply please. I SHOUT PLEASE, look up at the top of the page where it says
>-> Newsgroups. These are all the places your UFO stuff is going to. We at
>-> rec.radio.amateur.space are not interested.
>->
>
>Take a pill Glen, if you dont like it learn how to use a 'KILL' file to
>stop the thread from showing up on YOUR screen.  Your comment about "a
>great waste of bandwidth" shows an incredible ignorance of how the net
>works.  If your concerned about bandwidth go take your soapbox to the alt.
>hierarchy.
>
>--
>Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ
>[e-mail]
>Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada

And why don't you both keep your silly argument out of sci.space.*?

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Do these UFO's have ham radio stations on them?
I have MIR confirmed , but that's about it.


73's



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Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate
location.




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From: [e-mail] (Joe Thor)
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In article <482tdm$[e-mail]>, Cal Deal <[e-mail]> says:
>
>Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate
>location.
>
>

This is an appropriate place to discuss the space shuttle and UFO's!

Joe


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:08 1995
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In article <482tdm$[e-mail]>, Cal Deal <[e-mail]> wrote:

-> Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate
-> location.

Learn how to use a 'KILL' file to stop the thread from showing up on YOUR
screen if you find it so offensive.  We dont need censorship on the Net.

--
Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To Boldy VHF Where No Man Has VHFed Before"


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:09 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!phoenix.phoenix.net!mjensen
From: [e-mail] (Mike Jensen)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP.
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Joe Thor ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >
: >Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate
: >location.
: >

: This is an appropriate place to discuss the space shuttle and UFO's!

Where in sci.space.shuttle does it say ufo? This is not an appropriate
forum for UFO discussions. sci.space.ufo, if it existed, would be, but
since several other ufo newsgroups exist, I suggest taking the
discussion there instead.

: Joe

Mike
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Through the router, over the firewall, down the cable.. nothing but net!
Don't be so open minded your brains fall out.
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William J. Keaton)
Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Voice of America
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In article <ve7zvz-1111950131490001@206.12.26.44> [e-mail] (Scott Leaf) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Glenn Hansen) wrote:
>
>-> PLEASE REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP.
>
>-> rec.radio.amateur.space.  It is a great waste of bandwidth. When you post a
>-> reply please. I SHOUT PLEASE, look up at the top of the page where it says
>-> Newsgroups. These are all the places your UFO stuff is going to. We at
>-> rec.radio.amateur.space are not interested.
>->
>
>Take a pill Glen, if you dont like it learn how to use a 'KILL' file to
>stop the thread from showing up on YOUR screen.  Your comment about "a
>great waste of bandwidth" shows an incredible ignorance of how the net
>works.  If your concerned about bandwidth go take your soapbox to the alt.
>hierarchy.
>
>--
>Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ
>[e-mail]
>Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada

And why don't you both keep your silly argument out of sci.space.*?

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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:11 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dpc.net!novia!news.inc.net!news.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <ve7zvz-1111950131490001@206.12.26.44> [e-mail] (Scott Leaf) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Glenn Hansen) wrote:
>
>-> PLEASE REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP.
>
>-> rec.radio.amateur.space.  It is a great waste of bandwidth. When you post a
>-> reply please. I SHOUT PLEASE, look up at the top of the page where it says
>-> Newsgroups. These are all the places your UFO stuff is going to. We at
>-> rec.radio.amateur.space are not interested.
>->
>
>Take a pill Glen, if you dont like it learn how to use a 'KILL' file to
>stop the thread from showing up on YOUR screen.  Your comment about "a
>great waste of bandwidth" shows an incredible ignorance of how the net
>works.  If your concerned about bandwidth go take your soapbox to the alt.
>hierarchy.

Indeed. Since the notes are crossposted, only one copy is sent to
each system, not a copy for each group in the header. No extra
bandwidth is consumed. Now since the thread seems to have evolved
into a SETI discussion, it is also on charter for this group because
amateurs are participating in the SETI search.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:12 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news
From: Brian Webb <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Quad Antenna for Space Shuttle UHF
Date: 13 Nov 1995 04:35:43 GMT
Organization: Umbra Research
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Message-ID: <486huv$2be$[e-mail]>

For those of you interested in monitoring the Space Shuttle on
259.700 MHz, go to the USENET sci.space.shuttle and look for
Parts 1, 2, and 3 of the posting "Quad Antenna for Shuttle UHF."
Be sure to read all three parts.

73s

Brian Webb, KD6NRP


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:13 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Request for help w/portable satcom
Date: 12 Nov 1995 17:39:29 GMT
Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA
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I am planning a hiking and backpacking trip and would like to try
portable packet ops via satellite. I am familiar with packet but have
never done any sat work.  Is it feasbile to do satellite packet in the
field with a handheld and "portable" antenna?  Any suggestions/advice
would be much appreciated.  Thanks.

Craig Peterson, N3DCT
[e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:14 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:42:40 GMT
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Ham operator Jokes:

1.  What is the thinnest book in the world?
    What hams know about women.

2.  How does a ham take a bubble bath?
    He eats beans for dinner.

3.  What's a ham's idea of foreplay?
    A half hour of contesting.

4.  How can you tell if a ham is sexually excited?
    If he's still breathing.

5.  How many hams does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?
     We don't know...it has never happened.

6.  What's a ham's idea of helping with the housework?
     Lifting his leg so you can vacuum.

7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:15 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsat!uswc.uswest.com!usenet
From: "Dennis A. Mason" <damason>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 03:09:03 GMT
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well burt sounds like you are very educated.



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Randol D. Williams )
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Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 03:21:00 GMT
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In <4835cg$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>Ham operator Jokes:
>
>1.  What is the thinnest book in the world?
>    What hams know about women.
>
>2.  How does a ham take a bubble bath?
>    He eats beans for dinner.
>
>3.  What's a ham's idea of foreplay?
>    A half hour of contesting.
>
>4.  How can you tell if a ham is sexually excited?
>    If he's still breathing.
>
>5.  How many hams does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?
>     We don't know...it has never happened.
>
>6.  What's a ham's idea of helping with the housework?
>     Lifting his leg so you can vacuum.
>
>7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
>     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.

What kinda beer?  Can or bottle?


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:18 1995
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 13 Nov 1995 02:19:37 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
>In Article<485olj$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> write:
>> Path: castle.nando.net!news
>> From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
>> Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amate=
ur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
>> Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
>> Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:24:03 GMT
>> Organization: News & Observer Public Access
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>> Message-ID: <485olj$[e-mail]>
>> References: <NEWTNews.816104817.1257.amsoft@486dx4_120> <4835cg$[e-mail]> <483p6s$[e-mail]>
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>> To: [e-mail]
>> Xref: castle.nando.net rec.radio.swap:47712 rec.radio.shortwave:61743 rec.radio.scanner:27055 rec.radio.amateur.space:5081 rec.ra=
dio.amateur.policy:29534 rec.radio.amateur.misc:88528 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:10278 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:18962 rec.radio.a=
mateur.digital.misc:10944 rec.radio
>amateur.antenna:15344
>>
>> >>7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
>> >>     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.
>> >
>> >What kinda beer?  Can or bottle?
>>
>> That is a question that deserves some serious consideration. I thought it
>> sounded like the perfect meal (I would require 2 hotdogs, though). Throw
>> in some chips and you're living good :-)
>>
>> Dave WB4IUY
>>
>So Dave, What do you do on the weekends???
>Chris KC4YLE

Partake of perfect meals, for one :-)...
WB4IUY



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:19 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Steve Breland)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap
Subject: re: spamming the net - was Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:03:53 GMT
Organization: Richland Memorial Hospital
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
Burt,
How's about trimming the non-radio groups from your posting
Newsgroups?
Thanks,

-Steve
email: [e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:20 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Steel Pony )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Still Need Sinadder info/manual
Date: 12 Nov 1995 22:48:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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 Hi fellow hams:

 Still looking for info on Sinadder Model #S-101. Also willing to trade
 a goodie from the qrp junque box for good data. OR willing to pay cos-
 ts for repro's.


 Tnx,

 John, N5INZ


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:21 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!DIALix!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (Paul Barry)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
Followup-To: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space
Date: 12 Nov 1995 09:10:38 +0800
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Anthony John Xenos ([e-mail]) probably wrote:
:
: The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on
: other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible,
: and the universe is big) is ridiculous.  Think about the beach analogy.
: Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on.  You
: reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime.  Would you
: assume that the beach was made of dimes?  Of course not.  You could only begin
[deleted]                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Maybe not, but it sure WOULD be reasonable to conclude that the chances
of finding another dime on a large beach is very high, as is the
possibility of finding another civilized planet in a large universe.

paul



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Casanova)
Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
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In article <483hie$pci$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul Barry) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Paul Barry)
>Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
>Date: 12 Nov 1995 09:10:38 +0800

>Anthony John Xenos ([e-mail]) probably wrote:
>:
>: The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on
>: other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible,
>: and the universe is big) is ridiculous.  Think about the beach analogy.
>: Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on.  You
>: reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime.  Would you
>: assume that the beach was made of dimes?  Of course not.  You could only begin
>[deleted]                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Maybe not, but it sure WOULD be reasonable to conclude that the chances
>of finding another dime on a large beach is very high, as is the
>possibility of finding another civilized planet in a large universe.

Really? Please explain, keeping in mind that if the number of dimes in
existence is unknown (as is the number of alien civilizations), the assumption
that there are many can hardly be used as evidence that there are many.
(Sounds circular, doesn't it? It is, as is your logic in the above paragraph.
No flame; I just don't think you examined your statement before posting.)


>paul


Bob C.

* Good, fast, cheap!  (Pick 2) *


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Albert E. Manfredi)
Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail]
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Anthony John Xenos ([e-mail]) probably wrote:
>
>The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on
>other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible,
>and the universe is big) is ridiculous.  Think about the beach analogy.
>Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on.  You
>reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime.  Would you
>assume that the beach was made of dimes?

First of all, if you reach down on a _pebbly_ beach and pick out that
unique-looking dime, you've already done some discriminating. I'm suggesting
that our sun is by no means "unique" in the sense that dime is on the
pebbly beach. As we discover more planets around other suns, I'll wager
there will be plenty of others that will roughly fit the description of
this one, in terms of distance from their sun.

And seconly, if you reach down, on that pebbly beach, with your eyes
closed and pick up a dime, are you really going to tell me that you would
think that this is the _only_ dime on _all_ beaches of planet earth? I
seriously doubt it. I think you'd say "Gee, ain't that great, I picked
up a dime."

Bert
[e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:24 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: THE biggest THE ham THE problem.
Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:43:37 GMT
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      Frequently I hear hams say, THE name HERE is______.
How often do you say when you meet someone (assuming your name
is Charlie), THE name HERE is Charlie? You never do that right? After
to do so is so impersonal and asinine that you would not want
to seem like a fool-then why do it on the air? Just because you
are a ham is no excuse not to be personal. Of course you could
really sound like THE jerk of the year by saying, THE first
personal here is Charlie (at least if you are not personal-you are
using the word-albeit it in an extremely impersonal way).
Also why say "here", is your name any different when you are "there?"

73 from we here (not there) at K1OIK where THE name are Burt.
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:26 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (InterSource )
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 20:41:17 GMT
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In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
>
>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>To  : [e-mail]


Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

>Hello Burt,
>
>You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade?
>
>I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa
bout dat?
>
>Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot
>motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome
>too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem
der
>is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the
>driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also
>gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX.
>
>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.
>
>If dat am OK, then weese got a deal!
>
>Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it?
>
>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for
it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:27 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!grizzarv
From: [e-mail] (Robert V. Grizzard)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:49:34 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.
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InterSource ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
: >From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
: >To  : [e-mail]
[chomp]

Folks, can we trim those followup-to lines?  This has nothing to do with
pyrotechnics or rocketry.  Or puzzles.  Or skiing.  Or - but you *do*
have the idea, right?


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:28 1995
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From: Intersource@Intersource@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Intersource)
Date: 12 Nov 95 15:41:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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From: [e-mail] (InterSource )
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Organization: Netcom

In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
>
>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>To  : [e-mail]


Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

>Hello Burt,
>
>You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade?
>
>I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa
bout dat?
>
>Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot
>motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome
>too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem
der
>is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the
>driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also
>gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX.
>
>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.
>
>If dat am OK, then weese got a deal!
>
>Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it?
>
>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for
it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck

--
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| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own.
| PandA's Den BBS FidoNet < > internet gateway - email [e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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Date: 13 Nov 1995 17:23:23 GMT
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Speaking of idiots, this wound up in a very inappropritate newsgroup. I've
taken the liberty of leaving that newsgroup out of further discussion.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barry K. Swank, Jr.                                          Rochester, NY
[e-mail]

Sig under construction!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:31 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!i-2000.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Doug Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:08:45 GMT
Organization: I-2000 Inc. - Internet Services
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we


>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.

>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck
Hello Chuck,

I gotta Mercedes 350SL and it comes with a Alinco DR600.  Been
thinking that I might want to trade for those two beach bunnies if you
don't want them any more...

73's Doug

KN2Y



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:42:37 GMT
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[e-mail] () wrote:

>Speaking of idiots, this wound up in a very inappropritate newsgroup. I've
>taken the liberty of leaving that newsgroup out of further discussion.

<sig cut>
<inappropriate groups cut>

Why not use your judgement and remove ALL inappropriate groups like I
did?
Me



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:33 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!mixer.visi.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:22:05 GMT
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[e-mail] (CrazyOne - Greg Pacek) wrote:

>In article <488ff6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Doug Randall) wrote:

<snip>
<inappropriate groups cut>

PLEASE check your subject lines people!
REC.PYROTECHNICS DOESN'T CARE!
Me



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:35 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech2!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu!afn17891
From: "Thomas W. Castle" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.rad
Subject: Re: The test.
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 23:44:05 -0500
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Gee Burp... I see your going to be a pain in the ass in several
news groups.... I don't know  <or care> if your problem is caused
RF, Magnetic fields or your just a plain foamer & drooler...

Why don't you try some of the other news groups for some help?
//www/ Dr. Kavor.@ death.com, Birth contol retro-active, or one
of the www// sites for "Do it yourself Frontal lobotomy, Electro-
shock therapy or just wait for your new Lithuim tablets to
come in....

If your that bored with life an have nothing better to do than
complain; maybe we can get you on the "Uni-B" X-mas mailing list...

Don't go away mad just go away....

KD4QHH a.k.a. Tom



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:36 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Johnny B. Goode )
Newsgroups: sci.chem,sci.engr.manufacturing,misc.forsale,sci.med.radiology,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: VARIAN MICROWAVE AMPS&RELATED GEARmust sell prices neg.
Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:57:02 GMT
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:37 1995
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[e-mail] wrote:

: In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:

: > Just wondering why anyone would use "Multifax" in the advent of the
: incredible
: > weather servers found on the net?

I am not familiar with 'Multifax', but can offer some very good reasons
why shortwave satellite imagery receivers provide more reliable images
of much better quality than on I-net.  I have only used systems of ERIM
(Environmental Research Institute in Michigan) and Bob Allen in Adelaide,
Australia, but several advantages are:

*  Images can be downloaded in real time.  Thus, they are available for
   interpretation and aid to weather prediction *immediately*.

*  They are more reliable, although downloading may sometimes be a
   problem.

*  One can use software to more effectively zoom on areas of interest.

*  Temperature data is stored in pixels of the satellites scan, so that
   temperatures of ground and clouds are available.  Because of that, a
   user can enhance images as they choose.

*  METEOR and NOAA polar orbiter images are often available.

I am happy to have images available on I-net, but would rather download
them to make accurate weather predictions.


Josef Bartlo


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:38 1995
Path: news.epix.net!peach.epix.net!jyakoski
From: Joseph Yakoski <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: WTB: FT 726 or FT 736
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 16:24:04 -0500
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Hello to you all.  I am looking for a Yaesu FT 726 or a FT 736 for my
brother.  If anyone has anything to sell, e-mail to me at
   [e-mail]
                                 Thank You..
                                  Joseph Yakoski  N3JNX



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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: ARLS023 AMSAT on TV on Friday
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.space
Date: 16 Nov 1995 18:20:11 -0500
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SB SPACE @ ARL $ARLS023
ARLS023 AMSAT on TV on Friday

ZCZC AS03
QST de W1AW
Space Bulletin 023  ARLS023
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington, CT  November 15, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPACE ARL ARLS023
ARLS023 AMSAT on TV on Friday

Here's an update on Amateur Radio's next scheduled appearance on
network television.

The cable television Sci-Fi Channel on Friday evening's (November
17) ''Inside Space'' program will show a broad overview of the
activities over the years of the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation
(AMSAT), along with scenes and accompanying discussion of other
Amateur Radio activities, according to the latest word from AMSAT
Executive Vice President Keith Baker, KB1SF.

Tentative plans are for airings on Friday evening the 17th at 9 PM
Eastern Time and later in the weekend.

Footage shot recently by the Sci-Fi Channel of AMSAT Phase 3-D
satellite construction and testing at the AMSAT laboratory in
Orlando will be held for possible airing on ''Inside Space''
sometime late next year, closer to the projected launch date for the
satellite, Baker said.

''Inside Space'' will air Friday, November 17, at 9 PM Eastern Time
and again at 1 AM ET on the 18th.  An additional airing of the
program is set for 11 AM ET on Sunday, November 19.
NNNN
/EX


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From: "John W. Edwards" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Best WEFAX card?
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:54:33 -0500
Organization: CDC Internet - 423/842-5709
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Could anyone suggest a good WEFAX card to me for the
GEOS sats which includes decent user interface software?

Any pointer would be appreciated...

--
-------------------------------------------------------
John W. Edwards
Accurate Automation Corporation
[e-mail]
Office - (615) 894 - 4646
-------------------------------------------------------


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From: [e-mail] (David Stockton)
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher jokes not funny
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:


: Then why do I get frequent messages that appreciate my comments?


    Is this the first contact with non-human sapient entities ?

    Or is someone going to suggest that any message that likes Burt's
humour..........   No,  who would be so cruel ?


     Cheers,
              David



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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: EME / Moonbounce
Date: 16 Nov 1995 21:02:33 -0800
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access        [phone]  [Login: guest]
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  Can anyone direct me to individuals or groups and clubs -- preferably
on the West Coast -- that are active in EME?
  Thanks!

  -- Arthur  KO6OA


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: EME / Moonbounce
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <ve7zvz-1911951244400001@206.12.26.38>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:44:55 GMT
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Keywords: moonbounce, eme, amateur, radio. space
Lines: 18

In article <48h519$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Chandler) wrote:

->   Can anyone direct me to individuals or groups and clubs -- preferably
-> on the West Coast -- that are active in EME?
->   Thanks!
->
->   -- Arthur  KO6OA

VE7SCC, Coquitlam, British Columbia will be operating an EME site with
evening scheds in the near future.  The station is currently all apart
during a renovation and revamp of some equipment.  If you are interested
in EME I can keep your email address for future scheds.

--
Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To boldy VHF where no ham has VHFed before"


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:39 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Even my wife thinks hams are...
Date: 17 Nov 1995 22:59:22 GMT
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Message-ID: <48j44a$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <47uhb8$[e-mail]> <481qu5$[e-mail]> <4825eh$[e-mail]> <485m5d$[e-mail]> <485q5e$[e-mail]> <48fo6h$[e-mail]>
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I received a call today from a ham who would not identify himself. I
repeatedly asked him who he was, even saying to him that if he had an
opinion worth anything it is reasonable to expect he state who he was.
Still he he refused. I then commented that he was "so typical ham, no guts."
My wife then told me to get off the phone and stop wasting time with
gutless hams who hide behind their mikes. As I made one more effort to
identify the caller, he hung up. He also made a veiled threat that bad
things would happen to me, I retorted I might take it more seriously if he
were not a gutless ham.

This call is just so typical of hams, brave at a distance.



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:40 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Even my wife thinks hams are...
Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:42:05 GMT
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To: damason

"Dennis A. Mason" <damason> wrote:
>Burt must be a Chicken Bander.

Why?




#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:41 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Even my wife thinks hams are...
Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:42:18 GMT
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Message-ID: <48nfoa$[e-mail]>
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"Dennis A. Mason" <damason> wrote:
>Burt must be a Chicken Bander.

Why?




#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:43 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: adio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Even my wife thinks hams are...
Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:41:46 GMT
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To: damason
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"Dennis A. Mason" <damason> wrote:
>Burt must be a Chicken Bander.

Why?




#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:44 1995
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From: "Luis B.R." <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Get us off "ham" thread, please
Date: 17 Nov 1995 21:39:50 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Nevada-Reno
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[e-mail] (InterSource ) wrote:
>In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>
>>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>>something woth something).
>>
>>
>>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>>To  : [e-mail]
>
>
>Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
>Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
>sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
>about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

{snippage}

Would you PLEASE remove rec.skiing.alpine from your posting header for this thread. We've been trying to remove this thread for a fe=
w days now.  We greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance.

Your friends at rec.skiing.alpine



















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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth Vito Zichi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Hams please read ....
Date: 18 Nov 1995 20:10:55 GMT
Organization: Greater Detroit Free-Net, Detroit, MI
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If you guys want to spam all the rec radio amateur gorups I couldn't care less
but why the H*ll are these stupid ham debate posts spilling into the
shortwave, scanner and puzzles (among others) groups.  Watch the
reply lines guys.  One spam is bad enough but when you all reply to all
the groups it is just plain RUDE.

Leave the rest of us in peace -- and if your must spam, do it via e-mail
to the original poster and again, leave the rest of us in peace.

Thanks for letting me rant.   73  //kvz


--
kv zichi,  [e-mail]
                                      (PGP Public Key Available on Request)
"Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrante"  --Dante
         Kind of appropriate for the Internet, eh?


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From: Cal Eustaquio <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Hams please read ....
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:49:12 -0800
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo
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Dan:
One meaning may be for "Society for the Presevation of Amplitude
Modulation." Otherwise, its a generic term for a meat product that was
invented during WW2 that is still put out in the market by Hormel (I think).


On 21 Nov 1995, Daniel Calzaretta wrote:

> I'm new to this.  What does "spam" mean?  Is it Italian or Latin for
> something?
>
>
>


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:47 1995
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From: BRETSKI <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: I have a packet log of MIR available.
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:15:32 -0500
Organization: Purdue University
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HELLO FROM MIR-20 CREW: YURIJ & TOMAS & SERGEJ !!!
---------------------------------------------------------

I have a log from my packet that runs from

[11/12/95 13:24:09] to [11/15/95 07:07:56] EST.

It isn't pretty. It isn't continuous. I have edited lots of it out
like billions of lines of BEACONS. Below are SOME of the calls
I captured during that time.


AA2WQ AA8RV AA9KQ AB6YO AB9V EN60RG G3ZCZ K5JW K6EHA K9DSQ KB5JRA KB5TZF
KB5UMU KB8KBI KB8LLL KB9BWS KB9LTW KC4FSW KC4UG KC5AOY KC5EMH KC5GVS KC5LZB
KC7DBA KC7HSN KD4UPF KE4AEB KE4AR KE4IAM KE4WAW KE4ZRM KG0BK KJ5FG KT4DQ
N0ALJ N0PCD N0PDD N0ULJ N0VJN N0ZHE N1PPP N1UML N2JNT N2RIF N3BHY N3BZW
N3JLQ N3QZC N3SHN N3SQF N4DB N4HUV N5VIN N5YPJ N5ZEV N8AAQ N8DEU N8EYF
N8LRG N8NTS N8QYN N8TDL N9LLO N9MLW N9PIW N9ZZD VA2CND VA3DVC VE1ECN
VE2AKX VE2JOR VE3GUN VE3VRW VE4DE VE4LU VE4MP VE4UB VE5GW VE6DGG VK6YJS
W1QJR W1ZNY W2CJ W3ADO W3ANX W4HBK W6GBF W8KZM W9BNF WA0VQY WA2GSY WA3IMF
WA4VAF WA5QAI WB8PLS WB9JEJ WB9YDL WD9ATU WK3N WW3S WZ0W

-------------------------------------------------------------------

To retrieve:

ftp 128.210.14.31
anonymous
whatever_password
cd pub
cd BRET
get MIR145.550
quit

--------------------------------------------------------------------


BRET A. PENNINGTON /  COMPUTER TECHNICIAN   /EARTH AND ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES
CIVL 4252 317-494-0678 / PURDUE UNIVERSITY  / WEST LAFAYETTE, INDIANA 47907
[e-mail]/ [e-mail] / speaking only for myself.
/\/\/\/\/\/ __... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ N9ZFF /\/\/\/\/\/ ...__ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: I Just Worked Atlantis!
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:43:55 -0800
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In article <48knf7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Brent Taylor) wrote:

> I just spoke with Mission Specialist MacArthur, KC5ACR, at 1253 hrs
> UTC on Saturday, November 18th, 1995.
>
> I was on the standard 2-meter 145.84/144.45 split.
>
> Atlantis was to my Northeast, near the end of its pass over my area.

Ok, you were on 2-meters, what was that exact equipment you were using,
antenna and all!

Great job!

Gary
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From: Algis Lencus <[e-mail]>
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Albert E. Manfredi wrote:
>
> In article <486lov$[e-mail]>, Georgios  Tsoukalas
<s8989370> writes:
>
> >[The creationists] argument is that look at how many
> >things could have gone wrong ! To start chemistry .. if ice didn't
float
> >there would be no life ... (There are thousands of those). Then
> >astronomy ... if the earth wasn't this big, this far from the sun.
> >If the sun wasn't this big. Then we have history (for any historical
> >figure we are a virtual impossibility ie. think of the chance any one
> >sperm has :-) )  And so on. All these lead to the current events
being
> >practicaly impossible. So it may be that the probability that life
> >can occur anywere again is zero if we round it to to X number of
> >zeroes. (Think X being big enough to exclude all planets)
>

> >       We only assume that the reason life exists are those chemical
> >reactions that occured on earth. What if we assume that the only
reason life
> >exists are the exact conditions as well as the order of events.
>
>
> >>3. We know that water exists elsewhere in the universe (e.g. in
comets),
> >>so that important ingredient is not unique to Earth.
> >
> >       That means practicaly nothing. If 50% of the reason life
exists
> >is water, it's like saying that you need 100 ingreadiants to make a
"X",
> >if you ensure that 50 are there.
>
> I don't know of anyone who thinks the _ingredients_ are missing
elsewhere
> in the universe. Water was just an example of a very necessary one.
Another
> ingredient is that we need _planets_. Well, until very recently we
knew
> of no other planets. But even then, I though it was preposterous to
think
> that _earth_ was the only planet in the vastness of the universe.
>
> >Same argument as above
> >you need the whole history of earth in the order it occured as well
as
> >earth.
>
> Not true. Again, I'm not saying that life has to be in the same form
as
> it is here. Even if life doesn't progress beyond protozoa, it's still
> life. Even if the higher life forms are structured entirely
differently
> from life forms here, it's life anyway.
>
> >>4. And finally, to me this is a little bit like picking up a grain
of
> >>sand on one beach, just one grain, and swearing that _this_ grain is
> >>fundamentally different from all other grains of sand in every beach
> >>on earth. Failing chemical analysis of even a single other grain, I
> >>suppose one might wonder if it were true. But most reasonable people
> >>would _speculate_ that bullshit, this grain is probably very similar
to
> >>zillions of others.
> >
> >       If the exact molecule count as well as the order those
molecules
> >are aranged is what matters ... good luck finding a second.
>
> I'm not looking for a twin of earth. Just life elsewhere. There are
plenty
> of suns out there, although I would challenge anyone to come up with
> one that is _identical_ to ours.
>
> Bert
> [e-mail]

First of all, what's this stuff doing in a sci.space.* group?
As for creationists, they're theory directly acknowledges their
self-centeredness: our planet and the universe was created just for us.
They've got it the other way around: we and everything else were created
for this planet.

                                        Algis


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Peterson)
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Subject: Re: Life elsewere ?? Was: UFO ...
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In article <486lov$[e-mail]>,
>       We only assume that the reason life exists are those chemical
>reactions that occured on earth. What if we assume that the only reason life
>exists are the exact conditions as well as the order of events. When the earth
>cooled, what the temperature of the sun was and when. The creation
>of the layers of atmosphere since the earth began (no ozone layer now no life,
>if there was an ozone layer then no life). You cannot doubt the fact that

The argument against that, at least in my mind, is that life is very tenacious
and adaptable. Life at the bottom of the ocean lives off of volcanic vents
and uses a completely different metabolism than ours. Oxygen would kill it.
Life in Yellowstone lives in hot springs above the boiling point. I think
the constant rain of organic molecules (spread out in space) and the existance
of water-based terrestrial planets (predicted by comfortable planetary theories
of formulation) will create conditions close enough to allow life.
The real question is, WHEN and WHERE? Are they close enough, and current
enough?
BP
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From: [e-mail] (Jay Miller)
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Subject: MIR/STS-74
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On the 5:56 AM MST pass over Albuquerque, New Mexico (Nov. 16, 1995),
there were no signals from either craft, on the frequencies specified
in previous bulletins (145.55 MHz, 145.84), however, a great visual of
a fast moving bright object (estimated magnitude of -1) (MIR/STS-74)
had made up for no VHF Amateur Radio activity from STS-74/MIR.

                       73...Jay, WA5WHN


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Case)
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Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:07:11 PDT


>Get fucked by a German shepard.

Why, is that what you do for fun?


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From: [e-mail] (Lawrence James)
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Subject: New version of MacGPS available
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A new version of MacGPS, free software for uploading/downloading
waypoints, tracks, etc., from Garmin GPS receivers, is available from
the info-mac mirror sites such as

    ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/info-mac/sci/larrys-mac-gps

Larry James, KG0GB



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From: [e-mail] (Chris DuPont)
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Have you taken a look at Micro Orbiter 3.0?
It is not a Windows program but I think you will be
quite impressed with the level of graphics.  It comes very
close to the same level of graphics that you see on NASA
TV with DEMOS.

A sample of the graphics along with a demo version can be found at:
http://www.infocom.net/~pss

Chris...


Kory Hamzeh <[e-mail]> wrote:



>On 1 Nov 1995, Roland B. Burgan wrote:

>>
>> Is  this a Windows (3.1) based program, or if not, does anyone
>> know of a good satelitte tracking program for Windows. I'm
>> currently using STSPLUS for Dos, which does fine, but would
>> like t run in Windows 3.1 .
>> --
>>

>Try winorb, It's very nice and I beleive it's either public domain or
>shareware, I'm not sure. It's ussually on ftp.amsat.org or oak.oakland.edu.

>Kory





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From: [e-mail] (Ken Durham)
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Subject: STS-74 Contact Without Good KEPS
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*Finally* made contact with Atlantis. Just luck, since all the KEPS
I have found don't agree with NASA Select reportings of position. The
AF NORAD KEPS update clerk must be one of the "nonessential" government
employees since there are no new KEPS from that site. The ARRL KEPS
posted here are from yesterday and result in about 30 minutes error
in AOS. The pile up must have been tremendous cause KC5ACR was
acknowledging calls as fast as he could get on and off of the mike button.

If anyone knows of a good source of *fresh* KEPS, let me know so I
can use them for the next shuttle in case the political blackmail is
holding new KEPS hostage :)

HOORAY! K5MBV


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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Lane)
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Hello, fellow hamateurs...

        Considering that I've not done anything remotely resembling antenna math for
at least ten years, I need a bit of assistance.

        Specifically, I'd like to construct an antenna that will allow me to pick up
the GOES West bird at 468.8250. This is due to my acquisition of a neat little
clock that will display NIST time based on the sat signal, and will also
provide an IRIG-B time code output.

        I'm told that I'll need circular polarization, right-handed, and some
suggested types so far have been quadrifilar, Yagi, or helical. Based on my
own limited knowledge, and the fact that I'm in an apartment and cannot put
up any sort of supporting structure, I feel that a helical would be best.
Please correct me if this is a bad assumption.

        The clock unit has a receiver built in. All I need is to connect an
appropriate antenna and let it lock on to the bird. What I need are design
specs for such an antenna, hopefully something that I can build without more
than hand tools or breaking the bank.

        Another option is to purchase a surplus commercially-made antenna. If anyone
knows of a source for such, that would also be appreciated.

        For reference, the clock involved is a Kinemetrics/Truetime model 468-DC. The
manufacturer is already sending me a manual for it.

        Thanks in advance. E-mail to [e-mail], please.

==Bruce



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From: [e-mail] (Hank Riley)
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         EOSS-25:  CENTRAL COLORADO REPEATER/ATV BALLOON LAUNCH


     Region:            Central Colorado

     Date/Time:         December 2 / 8:00 AM MST, 15:00 UTC

     Location:          Colorado Springs, US AIr Force Academy
     Site Coordinates:  39' 00.56" North Lat.
                        104' 52.90" West Long.
     ATV:               a. [EOSS] 426.25 MHz AM (1 watt output) NTSC color
                        b. [AFA]  439.25 MHz AM (1 watt output) NTSC color
     VHF/UHF Repeater:  446.000 MHz FM Input
                        147.555 MHz FM Output
     Beacons:           144.34 MHz Morse ID audio on FM
                        (periodic; frequency shared with packet
                        telemetry)
     Telemetry:         a. [EOSS] 144.340 MHz FM (1 Watt output)
                        AX.25, 1200 baud mostly plain english text;
                        includes APRS position data string.
                        b. [AFA] 146.455 Mhz FM, AX.25, 1200 baud;
                        special telemetry format.
     HF Net:            7.235 Mhz SSB

For additional launch data and general Edge of Space Sciences (EOSS)
information:

http://www.usa.net/~rickvg/eoss.htm
maintained by Rick von Glahn
[e-mail]
-----------------------------------------------------------
posted by Hank Riley, N1LTV

Please email news of upcoming balloon launches and post-flight
reports for distribution on the Net.

[e-mail]
[e-mail]


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From: Guenter Koellner <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: EME / Moonbounce
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:40:25 -0800
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hello folks,

I am also interested in any EME skeds. Any station with 4 antennas and
abt. 500W should be possible here (my preamp needs a new tuning as
soon as the weather will allow).

Rig here: 6 times 33ele DJ9BV-OPT70 (see my homepage...)
          K2RIW amp 2*4CX250 1kW out, 750 at antenna
          MGF1302
          IC475

Maybe someone is interested... Skeds please during the week as I am
usually at my girlfriend during weekends...

vy 73, Guenter, DL4MEA@DB0KCP.#BAY.DEU.EU   (AX.25)
                [e-mail]             (Internet)
                HTTP://WWW.SCN.DE/~KOELLNER (WWW)
                UO-22, KO-23 & KO-25        (Pacsats)


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Brent Taylor ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I just spoke with Mission Specialist MacArthur, KC5ACR, at 1253 hrs
: UTC on Saturday, November 18th, 1995.

: I was on the standard 2-meter 145.84/144.45 split.

: Atlantis was to my Northeast, near the end of its pass over my area.


: Brent S.D. Taylor - VE1JH     |       Central Park    1965-1971
: Doaktown on the Miramichi     |       Meadowbrook     1971-1973
: New Brunswick, Canada         |       Lachine High    1973-1975
: Grid Square FN66WN            |       Looking for exiles...
: r.a.s.n./ NASCAR / MWDX / 6M VUCC #5481

    Congrats! I heard him on one pass but there was quite the pile up. I
couldn't raise him. Better luck in MArch with the next Sarex mission! For
now I'll just have to keep trying Mir.

Tom - KB2SMS




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Subject: Re: I Just Worked Atlantis!
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:59:18 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Snow) wrote:


>Ok, you were on 2-meters, what was that exact equipment you were using,
>antenna and all!

It was a simple Kenwood (1987 vintage) TH-205 AT, emitting about 5
watts into a 30W linear amplifier, up a 70' run of RG-213 and into an
11-element vertically polarized yagi at 60 feet.

>Great job!

Thanks!  I worked them again the day after.  I'll be watching next
time.


Brent S.D. Taylor - VE1JH       |       Central Park    1965-1971
Doaktown on the Miramichi       |       Meadowbrook     1971-1973
New Brunswick, Canada           |       Lachine High    1973-1975
Grid Square FN66WN              |       Looking for exiles...
r.a.s.n./ NASCAR / MWDX / 6M VUCC #5481



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From: [e-mail] (Brent Taylor)
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Subject: Re: I Just Worked Atlantis!
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[e-mail] (Thomas Randall) wrote:

>    Congrats! I heard him on one pass but there was quite the pile up. I
>couldn't raise him. Better luck in MArch with the next Sarex mission! For
>now I'll just have to keep trying Mir.

>Tom - KB2SMS

I think I had quite a bit of luck because some of the northerly passes
were probably not well-heard in W1, 2 and 3 land.  I had much of the
pass all to myself.

That's two (Atlantis and Discovery) down and two to go.

(I just wish I was on the other end of the pile-up!)


Brent S.D. Taylor - VE1JH       |       Central Park    1965-1971
Doaktown on the Miramichi       |       Meadowbrook     1971-1973
New Brunswick, Canada           |       Lachine High    1973-1975
Grid Square FN66WN              |       Looking for exiles...
r.a.s.n./ NASCAR / MWDX / 6M VUCC #5481



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:07:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pieter Ibelings)
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Subject: I see UFO.
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yes.

I did.



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Subject: Is AO-27 Available Non-Weekends?
Date: 22 Nov 1995 23:21:07 GMT
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Now that the company that owns AO-27
is pretty much through with it is
available on weekdays?

Buster



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I used to be shocked when my private electronic mail was
published.  About as shocked as my love letters being printed
in a book.  I find there are no morals in America, and no
self discipline.  Only a scum would resort to publishing a
private letter.  I used to put a little line in my signature
that said PRIVATE, but then the scum just erased that part.

I'm glad you identified the scum who published your private
mail.  Said scum should be banished from the net.  Write his
postmaster.



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From: Tom Clark <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Sounds from space
Date: 24 Nov 1995 04:22:25 GMT
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Except for the pulsars (at UHF and low microwave frequencies) and Jupiter (at HF
frequencies), all the radio stars, external galaxies, etc are wideband noise. They
sound exactly the same as you get when you tune in "dead air" on your radio.

When heard with enough sensitivity, the pulsars have a sound that is something
like a clock ticking at rates from a fraction of a second to a couple of
seconds.

If you have enough sensitivity in the 15-20 MHz range, Jupiter can sound like
waves breaking on a beach, occasionally punctuated with a few "machine gun"
bursts.

So Radio Astronomers seldom really "listen" to the signals because they are
very boring! The "see" the objects by clever signal processing and computer
image enhancement. You can see some of the "pictures" by looking at the
National Radio Astronomy Observatory's WWW pages. To start, click on "VLA" at

    http://www.nrao.edu/

and in particular take a look at

    http://www.nrao.edu/doc/vla/html/VLA-images.html

73 de Tom, W3IWI




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From: [e-mail] (Darren Leigh)
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Subject: Re: Sounds from space
Date: 24 Nov 1995 16:35:13 GMT
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In article <493165$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (erik gilbert) writes:
> Does anyone know where I can get or download sounds from radio
> telescopes/stars ?

Why bother downloading anything?  You can make the sounds yourself.
They generally go:   "sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...."

Almost anything more interesting that you hear will be RFI.  :-(

Darren Leigh -- kc6euy
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Alan Anderson)
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[e-mail] (Paul Barry) writes:
>Anthony John Xenos ([e-mail]) probably wrote:
>:
>: The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on
>: other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible,
>: and the universe is big) is ridiculous.  Think about the beach analogy.
>: Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on.  You
>: reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime.  Would you
>: assume that the beach was made of dimes?  Of course not.  You could only begin
>[deleted]                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Maybe not, but it sure WOULD be reasonable to conclude that the chances
>of finding another dime on a large beach is very high, as is the
>possibility of finding another civilized planet in a large universe.

No.  It would NOT be reasonable to make those conclusions based on a
single sample.  That's the point here.  We don't have ANY basis for a
statistical analysis of the situation.  You picked up one thing, and
it was a dime.  You can't assume anything about the distribution of
dimes on the beach, so you can't conclude anything about the total
number of dimes present.  You picked up something, and it wasn't a
baseball, but you can't conclude that baseballs are rare.  We have
but a single example of a life-bearing planet, so we have no way of
extrapolating -- a statistical analysis based on a sample size of one
has a 100% margin of error.

= === ===   === = = =   === === === === =   = === =   = = ===   = = === =
# Alan Anderson #  Ignorance can be fixed, but stupidity is permanent.  #
  (I do not speak for Delco Electronics, and DE does not speak for me.)



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From: [e-mail] (John Magliacane)
Subject: * SpaceNews 27-Nov-95 *
Date: 27 Nov 1995 15:27:15 -0500
Organization: Rutgers University
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SB NEWS @ AMSAT $SPC1127
* SpaceNews 27-Nov-95 *


BID: $SPC1127


                               =========
                               SpaceNews
                               =========


                        MONDAY NOVEMBER 27, 1995


SpaceNews originates at KD2BD in Wall Township, New Jersey, USA.  It is
published every week and is made available for unlimited free distribution.



* MIR NEWS *
============
Dr. Dave Larsen, N6JLH, recently received the following packet radio
message from Thomas Dieter on the Mir space station:

 Stat   : PR
 Posted : 11/22/95 15:03
 To     : N6JLH
 From   : R0MIR
 @ BBS  :
 BID    :
 Subject: from Thomas

 Mir-Station, 22.11.95

 Hello Dave,
 The time with Ken and his crew was really great! It is one of these
 phantastic experiences: you are in orbit, and just like that, some friends
 drop in for a couple of days. These days were of course great times
 together. A pity, that they could only stay for three days.

 Well, thanks again for relaying the data. Greetings, to all
 73,
 Thomas.

Pat Kilroy, WD8LAQ reports that George, N7NSI donated the manual for his
TM-733A transceiver to the Cosmonauts on the Mir space station.  George
says that there is no rush to return the manual.  Matt, KC5BTL donated a
manual for the ICOM rig on Mir.  The manuals were successfully delivered
to Mir by the recent STS-74 Space Shuttle crew.  This delivery should help
the Mir crew configure their new Amateur radio equipment on the Mir space
station.


* SOUND FILES AVAILABLE *
=========================
For those who enjoy playing audio files your computers, Keith Stein has
made the following .WAV files available on the ftp.drig.com FTP site in
the pub directory:

air1.zip       Recording of a emergency landing by military
               aircraft (callsign Track 32) at Andrews AFB,
               Maryland (11/20/95). File Size: 267k
mir1.zip       Recording of a German cosmonaut Thomas Reiter
               aboard Mir space station (10/29/95). File Size:
               794k.
meteor.zip     Recording of WESR radio's "LIVE COVERAGE" of
               Conestoga/Meteor launch at Wallops Island,
               Virginia (10/23/95). File Size: 214k.

You will need to unzip these files and play them through a .WAV sound
player.

[Info via Keith Stein]


* MIR REFRESHER COURSE *
========================
Ever tried to contact the Cosmonauts on the Mir space station?  In this
issue of SpaceNews, G. Miles Mann presents some useful hints and friendly
advice to those who would like to improve their communications success
with the Mir spacestation.

Mir Refresher Course - Part 1 of 3:

Working the Soviet space station Mir on packet is easier than you may
think.  I have been able to connect to the Mir Packet BBS on a regular
basis with a very modest 2 meter base station and from my car packet
station, but you must be very careful not to cause interference (QRM)
to other amateurs who are either connected, or attempting to establish
a connection with the Mir space station.

The Russian space station is in orbit approximately 200 miles above the
earth.  The inclination of the orbit is 51 degrees.  This means that Mir
flies over Amateur stations North and South of the equator up to 51 degrees
latitude.  Stations from the USA and southern Canada should have no
problems hearing Mir during a good orbit.  The space station typically
comes in range 6-8 times per day for up to 10 minutes per pass.  A good
computer satellite tracking or orbital prediction program fed with
accurate Keplerian orbital data elements for Mir should be used for
best communication results.

The Space Station Mir is running an ICOM-228A with voice and packet
communications on 145.550 MHz simplex.  Power output is 5 or 25 watts with
a dual band dipole mounted outside the space station.  By comparison, the
NASA Space Shuttle uses 5 watts with a dipole mounted to the inside of a
thick radiation resistant window.

On most of the passes, the Mir BBS will be connected to a ground station.
If you try to connect to the Mir BBS, you will get the message "R0MIR-1
Busy".  If this happens, STOP calling the Mir BBS until you see the
message "- Logged off" going to the station who is currently connected
to Mir's BBS.  Remember, ONLY ONE STATION CAN CONNECT TO THE MIR BBS AT
A TIME!  If you try to connect to the Mir BBS while it is busy, the
following will result:

        1.  You will cause interference to the station who is connected
            to Mir.

        2.  It will take longer for the station who is connected to the
            Mir BBS to finish and log off.

        3.  Your interference will prevent the connected station from
            properly disconnecting before Mir goes out of his range.  If
            you do cause interference, you will have to wait for the Mir
            BBS packet station's connection timer to "time out",  and this
            may take over 7 minutes (a typical Mir pass lasts a maximum of
            10 minutes).  Then, if you're lucky, the Mir BBS packet station
            may still be in range after the "time out".

Next week we will discuss the proper procedure for successfully connecting
to the Mir packet radio BBS.

[Info via WF1F]


* UoSAT MODEL ON DISPLAY *
==========================
Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd is pleased to announce it's participation
in the latest exhibition at the Science Museum based in Kensington, London.
A full size model of the FASAT-ALFA satellite is on display as part of the
"Future Innovations" program.

This will be of particular interest to radio amateurs as it shows the UoSAT
bus system used on UoSAT-5 and KITSAT, both of which support amateur radio
communications.  It will be an ideal opportunity to see how small these
satellites really are and is the perfect excuse to have a look at the Space
Gallery at the Museum.

The model shows the satellite in the process of deploying the gravity
gradient boom and the various cameras and sensors are clearly visible.
FASAT carries two CCD cameras to capture images of the "ozone hole", in
addition it carries four radiometers to measure the ozone density at
different altitudes.  Two further CCD cameras capture wide and narrow angle
images of the Earth in the near infra red region.  These images are used to
monitor desertification, flooding, land use and pollution.

The exhibition will be opened on 22 November during the Royal Academy of
Engineering MacRobert Awards for 1995 presented by His Royal Highness The
Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.  The exhibit will be on show until May
1996.  Further details of opening hours etc. are available from the Science
Museum, Exhibition Road, London SW7.

[Info via Keith Clark, G6RTJ]


* THANKS! *
===========
Thanks to all who sent news items and messages of appreciation to SpaceNews
especially:

           G3AAJ     KF4AFE     DF5DP     F6HCC     JR8XPV     G0HZX


* FEEDBACK/INPUT WELCOMED *
===========================
Comments and input for SpaceNews should be directed to the editor (John,
KD2BD) via any of the paths listed below:

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       <<=- SpaceNews: The first amateur newsletter read in space! -=>>

/EX


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From: [e-mail] (Ted Cline)
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Subject: Dec-2-95 Balloon Flight EOSS-25 planned
Date: 29 Nov 1995 00:49:03 GMT
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For more info: http://usa.net/~rickvg/eoss.htm


Edge of Space Sciences (EOSS) is a Denver, Colorado based non-profit
organization that promotes science and education by exploring frontiers
in amateur radio and high altitude balloons.

EOSS conducts four or five balloon projects each year, sending
scientific payloads to approximately 100,000 feet.  An on-board computer
and command and telemetry system provide for control and real time data
down link of experiment data in the payload package.  In many cases,
live video from the payload is available and views of the earth and the
edge of space have been made.  Educational institutions and other
scientific oriented organizations are encouraged to participate in EOSS
projects and programs.


---------------------------
FLIGHT PROFILE FOR EOSS 25
---------------------------

LAUNCH DATE: 2-Dec-1995
LAUNCH SITE: United States Air Force Academy

LAUNCH SITE COORDINATES:

   * 39'00.56 N
   * 104'52.90 W

LAUNCH TIME:        15:00 UTC
EXPECTED TRACK:     Between 45 degrees and 145 degrees azimuth
FLIGHT EXPERIMENT:  USAFA Satellite Experiment and RMRL crossband repeater
PROJECT INTEGRATOR: USAFA and EOSS

FREQUENCIES:

   * Telemetry:
        o 144.340 MHz FM (1 Watt output) - The Packet telemetry stream is in
          ax.25 format at 1200 baud and is readable in plain english for the
          most part. Included in each telemetry frame is an APRS position
          string (APRS users see note below). Every few minutes a CW ID is
          transmitted on this frequency.
        o AFA Telemetry Stream will be on 146.455. This will be in ax.25
          format at 1200 baud. However, the data that appears on screen may
          not be intelligible as it is formatted for AFA groundstation
          computers.
   * VHF/UHF Crossband Repeater
        o Input 446.000 MHz
        o Output 147.555 MHz
   * ATV:
        o EOSS Shuttle Video - 426.250 MHz AM (1 Watt output) - NTSC video
        o AFA Video - 439.250 MHz AM (1 Watt output) - NTSC video
   * Foxhunters:
        o No repeater set yet - Airborne repeater will serve as emergency
          backup.
   * HF Net:
        o 7.235 MHz no net control set as of this writing

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
PURPOSE OF THE FLIGHT:

The United States Air Force Academy will be testing a prototype attitude
sensing system using multiple GPS receivers. EOSS will be assisting with
video, backup telemetry and backup GPS. EOSS will provide recovery services.

notes:

Automatic Position Reporting System (APRS):

   * EOSS Shuttle controllers now beacon on the packet telemetry frequency
     with an APRS position string. If you are running APRS you should be
     able to graphically track the progress of the flight on the
     "CODENVER.MAP" map file. The Shuttle is not a TNC equipped packet
     station. It only reads data from various sensors and experiments and
     formats and transmits that data in AX.25. Therefore, beacons from other
     APRS stations will NOT be retransmitted (digi). So, inorder to minimize
     possible interference with hams in your area, we request you turn off
     the position beacons in APRS. Thanks!

ATV:

   * The Amateur Video Signals from the payload may be picked up by a cable
     ready TV set on channel 58. However, you need to be very close to the
     balloon, and have a directional antenna to do this as cable receivers
     do not have much sensitivity (why should they?). If you don't have a
     cable ready set, try tuning DOWN from UHF channel 14. Some sets can
     receive the signal there too.

Who Can Hear It:

   * Almost all our transmitters are on VHF or above frequencies. Therefore,
     you need to be line of site to the payload to hear/see it. Since the
     payload rises to an altitude of over 90,000 feet on most missions,
     reception is usually possible for folks in most of Kansas, most of
     Nebraska, most of Wyoming, extreme south eastern Idaho, eastern Utah,
     north eastern Arizona, most of New Mexico, northern Texas, and western
     Oklahoma. DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED by the apparent low power of our
     signals. I usually monitor the Beacon with an HT from the ground
     station throughout the flight. The signal is strong even at 130 miles
     and I only lose it when the balloon descends below my horizon.

last edit 20-Nov-95
maintained by Rick von Glahn, <[e-mail]>
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My satelite tracking program (Instant Track V1.00) is not working
properly since I upgraded to a p75 with Win95. The numbers and letters
at bottom of map screen are garbled. All the rest of program works
fine. I've tried many fixes including the new config/autoexec
suggested for DOS but no luck so far...can anyone help.
[e-mail]



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Re:  "Junkosphere"

   What is one man's junk is another man's treasure. The orbit of the satellite ATS3 is described
by the following  Keplarian Elements:

                Satellite:              ATS3
                Object Number   3029
                Epoch                   94  352.0822578
                Revolution              9928
                Mean Anomaly    99.49240
                Mean Motion             1.00272128
                Inclination             14.75230
                Eccentricity            .0010133
                Arg. Perigee            265.72450
                R.A.A.N.                5.57580
                Decay                   Leave blank

The reason that the orbit of ATS3 is of great interest is that it had been in orbit 27 years as of
about one year ago. It has long since run out of station keeping gas.  During a trip to the Cook
Islands I was told by the Director of Science for the Cook Islands that he has sent signals
through both ATS1 and ATS3 (with NOAA permission) for a number of years and the satellite position
is the position taken up by all out-of-fuel geosynchronous satellites.  When I got home to little
old Molokai I had reasoned that there must be at least a thousand pieces of junk, probably
relatively uniformly spaced traversing that orbit. I was unable to get anyone at a great distance
to try an experiment of bouncing signals off  the debris so I set up an experiment using my own
equipment and trying to hear my own signals during the one quarter second remaining after turning
my transmitter off. I believe I was successful.  The return signal is, of course, a composite of
about a thousand returns each with a slightly different doppler and glint and glitter. The signal
is much like a spread spectrum signal in that the frequency is smeared. By good fortune I have a
DUAL Digital Signal Processing unit built by the JPS company (JPS NIR12).  This unit when placed
in the Dynamic Peaking position appears to serve as a correlator. I believe I can hear the last
half of that quarter second window when my receiver Automatic Gain Control relaxes enough to hear
noise. What I hear is a tone which can be changed in pitch in direct relationship to the
transmitter frequency on each transmission.  The equipment used was rather modest and was operated
on 436.010 Mhz.  Power output was 100 watts.  Gain of the antennas was about 15dbd.  TWO GASFET
low noise preamplifiers were used in the receive portion of the split transmit and receive
equipment. The sensitivity of the receive system is such that I observe about 6db of Sun noise at
436 Mhz.


        When one runs the above Keplarian elements in a satellite tracking program one can see
that the satellite sub-point (The point on the surface of the earth directly below the
satellite)runs from 104 degrees west longitude to 106 degrees west longitude and from 15 degrees
north latitude to 15 degrees south latitude. The path is an ellipse.  To illuminate the entire
area requires that the antenna half power points be about 30 degrees which translates to modest
size antennas.  My receive antennas are a pair of KLM 16 element 436 Mhz. Yagis.   Four of  the 16
element yagis in a quad configuration  would be about optimum.  Firing away at the "Junkosphere"
with an Earth/Moon/Earth array is a lost cause.  Using equipment that does not correlate the
returns is also a lost cause.  These two observations probably explain why someone has not
stumbled upon the "Junkosphere" long ago.

     Information received via the Internet during the last two weeks has resulted in some
corrections to the the general statement that the ATS-3 position is the position taken up by ALL
out-of-fuel geosynchronous satellites.  It turns out, as might be expected, there are two
positions around the world where the junk tends to collect. In addition to the 105 degrees west
longitude area there is another near 80 degrees EAST longitude. The reason for the collection is
the natural gravity gradient of the earth which is far from a perefect sphere. Estimates of the
number of pieces of junk are varied but it is generally agreed that the density has reached a
magnitude that causes concern regarding traffic conjestion.  Present practice is to use the last
bit of remaining station keeping fuel to place dying satellites in a higher orbit thereby avoiding
increasing the density (not everyone does that). There are some way-out ideas about cleaning up
the junk but none of the ideas I have seen discussed promise relief in the near future.

     It appears to me that the time is ripe for some enterprising Amateur Radio Operators to
pioneer the use of the "Junkosphere".

                                Aloha         Butch Mason   W6KAG

             [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (david jerome adams)
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Subject: Mode K satelites
Date: 27 Nov 1995 19:04:51 GMT
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Well, I have put together a mode K (15/10) station
but don't really know where to go from there.
Could someone give me a run down on any and
all mode K sats and how to use 'em (freqs, keps data
sites, etc).  Perhaps there is an all-telling faq?

Thanks and 73,
dave, n9uxu



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In article <49d24j$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
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In article <49d24j$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
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>all mode K sats and how to use 'em (freqs, keps data
>sites, etc).  Perhaps there is an all-telling faq?
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Sorry about the previous response. My Newsreader is not working too good
at times. I lost the first response.

Try: http//www.amsat.org/amsat/AmsatHome.html
and: http://www.teleport.com/~n7ryw/asatpage.html

AMSAT membership gets you a lot of helpful information. I got free tracking
software and some "How To" handouts for a sign-up bonus. The dues help pay
for satellite constructuion and launches too.

Ken K5MBV

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From: [e-mail] (PE Roman Brunel)
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Subject: need sat- antenna infos
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Hi...
I would like to receive signals from the MIR- space- station or the shuttle.
Unfortunately changed my qth and now I am allowed to  put (only) a turnstyle
or a gp at the top of a mast with TV- antennas. Can anyone tell me which
antenna does the best job?
Many thanks es 73 de  Roman (DL2SFE)


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Subject: re tr9500 pwr mod needed
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I am looking for a mod for the Kenwood TR-9500 to vary the output
power.



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steer your web browser toward http://www.osf.hq.nasa.gov/shuttle


click on how to get a launch pass. Prego.

[e-mail]


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Subject: Substitute Astronaut Starts Training In Russia
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From my local paper, reprinted here without permission.

MOSCOW - A NASA astronaut began training Monday for a mission aboard
Russia's MIR Space Station, replacing another American who lost the
job because he was too tall.

Michael Foale, 38, will have to cram the 18 month course into a year,
the ITAR Tass news agency said.  Russian space officials last month
removed his predecessor, Scott Parazynski.

The 6-foot-2 Parazynski was 2 inches too tall to meet the height
requirement for the tiny Soyuz capsules that ferry cosmanauts to the
MIR.  Although he was supposed to arrive at the MIR and return to
Earth on an American space shuttle, in an emergency he would have to
leave on a Soyuz.

NASA officials said they knew of the height requirement but hoped that
a Soyuz could be modified for Parazynski, an option the Russians said
was impossible.

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73's all

John  KB7VZL