The World of Ham Radio CD-ROM From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:01 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!pendragon.jsc.nasa.gov!ames!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!canterbury.ac.nz!greg From: greg@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Greg Ewing) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Date: 1 Nov 1995 00:05:10 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <476djm$4ib@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net> <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.181.12.3 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37190 alt.paranet.ufo:44625 rec.radio.amateur.space:5590 In article <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com>, stgprao@sugarland.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: |> |> Then take our own solar system as a disappointing example. |> Life on appears to be on one of thirty planet-size bodies. I think that's a very encouraging example! If one in thirty planets has life, and planets aren't too uncommon (no reason to think otherwise) then there are billions of life-bearing planets out there... |> and things crawling on the visible land |> 5% of earth's history. And every other place in the universe has had at least as long a time to develop life in. Greg From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:03 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!news From: ted Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Mode S dish... Date: 1 Nov 1995 00:28:43 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 20 Message-ID: <476evr$5g6@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: t20.dialup.peg.apc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.0 i486) X-URL: news:rec.radio.amateur.space ..`Electronics World + Wireless World' (August 95) carried a small article by John Cronk on a `high performance' antenna for 24cm. Essentially this antenna was a parabolic reflector in the Y plane and flat in the X plane, fed by a dipole/ref combination at the parabolic focal point... Although I've only seen the Myers Mode S dish in a small photo in 73, I'd say both of these antennas are similar. However the Cronk antenna had a very narrow reflector ie 60in x 12in approximately (remember its for 1.2Ghz), scaling it down seemed to give it a size narrower than the photo in 73 depicted of the Myers dish. Also, the Myers dish appears to have a reflector construction similar to typical `gridpack' microwave parabolic dishes... (Cronk used mesh!) This would lead me to suspect the Myers dish is a linearly polarised beasty!? This type of reflector had not previously occurred to me and I'd be interested to hear from anyone with experience of this type of `dish', especially feeding with a small helical element?? 73 Ted VK1BL From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:04 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!usenet From: bob@texas.net (Bob) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Alt/Az Rotators - Controllers/Interfaces Date: 1 Nov 1995 04:42:41 GMT Organization: Texas Networking, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <476ts1$72m@empire.texas.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dnet021.sat.texas.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , jwhac4ca@mindspring.com (John Huecksteadt) says: >I'm thinking about an alt/az rotator for APT satellite imaging. While the >cost of a rotator is high enough, the cost of controllers/interfaces is >enough to make one think twice about it. Does anybody know of a circuit or >alternative to that of, say, Yaesu's? Oh yes! Even the tech rep at Yaesu warned me away from their RS-232 rotor interface. There are a number of options for auto control of a Yaesu G5400B az-el setup. I use the AEA ST-1. There are others, most in the $200-300 range. The AEA box has a plug that cables direct to the 5400 controller, as well as internal relays that can control other rotators. Don't know much about the others, there are hot and cold opinions about each. GL es 73 ___ Bob Scott WY7O | Roses are red, Violets are blue bob@texas.net | I'm schizophrenic, And so am I From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:05 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!bga.com!maria-4o.ip.realtime.net!user From: rparsons@bga.com (Ronald G. Parsons) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Req: Current AO-13 Operations Schedule Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 07:14:24 -0600 Organization: W5RKN Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <473uoc$b7k@empire.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: maria-4o.ip.realtime.net In article <473uoc$b7k@empire.texas.net>, bob@texas.net (Bob) wrote: > Hi; > Does anyone have a current AO-13 operations schedule effective > after 30 Oct? I seem to remember reading that the transponders > were to be shut off from MA60-140 due to prolonged periods of > solar eclipse, but can't find where I read it. The only ref I > can find is a provisional schedule on the amsat ftp server that's > pretty old. Please post for all to see... > > Thanks > ___ > Bob Scott WY7O | Roses are red, Violets are blue > bob@texas.net | I'm schizophrenic, And so am I From Weekly OSCAR Status Reports: 28-OCT-95 AO-13: Current Transponder Operating Schedule: N QST ** AO-13 TRANSPONDER SCHEDULE ** 1995 Oct 30 - 1996 Jan 01 Mode-B : MA 0 to MA 70 | Mode-BS : MA 70 to MA 110 | Omnis : MA 230 to MA 25 Mode-S : MA 110 to MA 112 |<- S beacon only Mode-S : MA 112 to MA 135 |<- S transponder; B trsp. is OFF Mode-S : MA 135 to MA 140 |<- S beacon only Mode-BS : MA 140 to MA 180 | Alon/Alat 180/0 Mode-B : MA 180 to MA 256 | Move to attitude 225/0, Jan 01 [G3RUH/DB2OS/VK5AGR] -- Ron W5RKN From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:06 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!tron!ops117.bwi.wec.com!cas From: cas@ops1.bwi.wec.com (Bob Casanova) Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (USEnet News Poster) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:33:28 GMT Lines: 36 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ops117.bwi.wec.com References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net> <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com> <476djm$4ib@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corporation X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37207 alt.paranet.ufo:44655 rec.radio.amateur.space:5592 In article <476djm$4ib@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> greg@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Greg Ewing) writes: >From: greg@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Greg Ewing) >Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO >Date: 1 Nov 1995 00:05:10 GMT >In article <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com>, stgprao@sugarland.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: >|> >|> Then take our own solar system as a disappointing example. >|> Life on appears to be on one of thirty planet-size bodies. >I think that's a very encouraging example! If one in >thirty planets has life, and planets aren't too uncommon >(no reason to think otherwise) then there are billions >of life-bearing planets out there... Unfortunately, the available data only shows that life evolved on one planet. We have no idea on how many it *didn't* evolve (or, for that matter, on how many it *did*) - only bad statistics can result from incomplete data. >|> and things crawling on the visible land >|> 5% of earth's history. >And every other place in the universe has had at least >as long a time to develop life in. So? We still have absolutely *no* data regarding how long it takes on the average, nor on what percentage of planets it's likely to happen at all. A sample of one is *not* statistically valid, except to show it's not impossible. >Greg Bob C. * Good, fast, cheap! (Pick 2) * From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:07 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary From: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: Need help, I can't find any satellites Message-ID: <1995Nov1.180630.25115@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems References: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:06:30 GMT Lines: 55 In article Jay Pregent writes: >I know this area is for Ham operators but I need your advice. > >I have just recently purchased an older (70Mhz) TVRO system. I overhauled >all the mechanics (Acturator and polorasiation servo). The mast is true. And >as far as I can tell, the eletronics are all working. I don't have a 4Ghz test >signal to confirm this but all the operating voltages are there. > >My problem comes when I am trying to align it with a satellite. I have a print >out that gives the angles for my location and have tried procedures to >align the mount and the offset angle for the dish but it doesn't work. > >Is there any advice, tricks, or sure fire methods of finding a bird? >I have ben useing a protractor and a plumbob to measure my angles, >Is this the best method? You have a frustrating situation, and I can sympathize with it. For your peace of mind, the first thing you should try to do is determine if the equipment is *working*. You can use the Sun as a known signal source for this. When the dish main lobe transits the Sun, you should note a marked change in received noise (monitoring limiter current is the best way to detect this). That'll tell you the equipment works. You can boresight the Sun simply by moving the dish until the shadow of the feed horn is precisely in the center of the reflector. Note, since almanacs can be used to precisely locate the look angle to the sun for any day and hour of the year, you can use this as a cross check to calibrate your pointing indicators. Another (much cruder) method of determining if the equipment works is to take a piezo sparker igniter (available for lighting gas grills and heaters) and hold it in front of the dish and spark it while watching the TV screen. If the receiver is working, you should see noise hits corresponding to the sparks on the screen. Now after you know the equipment works, pick a nice strong bird with several active transponders somewhere near the middle of your receiving arc. Use a compass, don't forget to allow for magnetic declination, to align the dish in azimuth with the satellite. Use a plumb bob and protractor to align the dish in elevation. This gets you *close*. Now nod the antenna up and down in elevation looking for a signal. If none is found, move the dish about 2 degrees in azimuth and try again. Work plus azimuth for a while, and if you find nothing, start looking at minus azimuth. Be systematic. If things are working, you will locate the satellite. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:09 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!canyon.sr.hp.com!garry From: garry@sr.hp.com (Garry Bryan) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Followup-To: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 1 Nov 1995 19:19:07 GMT Organization: Hewlett Packard Sonoma County Lines: 51 Distribution: world Message-ID: <478h7b$3id@canyon.sr.hp.com> References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net> <473rc9$fdi@canyon.sr.hp.com> <476fv4$8lg@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.sr.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37220 alt.paranet.ufo:44680 rec.radio.amateur.space:5597 Greg Ewing (greg@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote: : In article <473rc9$fdi@canyon.sr.hp.com>, garry@sr.hp.com (Garry Bryan) writes: : |> Looking at these sightings and video's with the degree of commitment : |> and backing that is going into SETI or Phoenix could reveal some more hard : |> evidence that these are real, fleeting objects. : What do you actually propose to *do* with these reports that : hasn't already been done? I am proposing something along the lines that Richard Caldwell would like to see; scientists with advanced telemetry equipment, IR, UV, radiography and high res FILM ( 70MM or IMAX ) stake out some of the hot spots and gather some high quality images for analysis. Since visual sightings seem to be the norm and not physical contact that is all we have to go on. Which is infinitly more than SETI. : Anecdotal evidence only gets you so far, because of the : propensity of the human visual system and brain to : misinterpret inputs. A photograph or video can be analysed, : but you can't draw much conclusion from such an analysis : without making a lot of assumptions about the conditions : under which it was taken and the nature of the object being : photographed - and if the object is completely unknown, you : can't make any such assumptions. As I stated before an objective, scientific inquiry into the most prolific sightings;ie Mexico City, would yield controlled circumstances and not assumptions and anecdotal evidence. : At least SETI has a well defined goal and method to : follow. If they find a clear signal that doesn't go : away, they will have something to study. There's no : such method for studying fleeting, unreproducible : events that leave no substantial physical evidence. It is an assumption that SETI signals are going to be clear and repeating. The power levels required for interstellar signals that will be of sufficent strength to be above background noise and in the region we are listening to is a great leap of faith. The Drake equation has no solution, only guesses and hopeful assumptions. We have only recently found evidence of other planetary bodies orbiting other stars. Up until that point we had only hypothesis. What I propose is to study these fleeting objects with the same intent as SETI. The assumption that there are other beings using high power EMF is just as valid as the assumption that UFO's ar ET vehicles. Both deserve study, but the UFO field has been tainted by the govt. to the point that any serious study gets labeled lunatic just because of the subject matter. I was surprised when SETI got NASA funding because it certainly fits the lunatic criteria. . . Garry (%^{> From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:10 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!coopnews.coop.net!csnews!roadkill.Colorado.EDU!hugger From: hugger@refuge.colorado.edu (Phil Hugger) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 1 Nov 1995 20:54:22 GMT Organization: YoYoDyne Propulsion Systems Lines: 29 Message-ID: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> References: <46sjrg$17f0@news.doit.wisc.edu> <46v22v$o1s@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: refuge.colorado.edu Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37211 alt.paranet.ufo:44668 rec.radio.amateur.space:5595 In article <46v22v$o1s@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Brian Zeiler wrote: >like the footage from Tremonton, Utah in 1950. >..which was ruled by USAF investigating scientists to not be hoaxes, >birds, planes, or anything known. JamesOberg wrote: >Gosh, Brian, if you are suggesting that the Tremonton film shows anything >else BUT birds (despite what some enthusiastic but naive NAVY analysts >concluded back in those days) you are even more helpless than I thought. I have watched the Oberg polygraph/disinfo agent debate unfold. Until this above statement I had no opinion of James Oberg either pro or con. Brian CAN get over-Zeilous on occasion, but for James Oberg to imply that he is more qualified to identify the objects in the Tremonton film than the best minds, resources, and intelligence that the NAVY (or USAF, whichever is the case) had at the time the film was originally examined is the height of arrogance. Mr. Oberg would have us believe that the best that the US military could offer was "enthusiastic but naive" analysts, and equate the phrase "back in those days" with ineptitude and ignorance. I'm sure that even "back in those day" people knew what birds looked like, and how they behave in flight, Mr. Oberg. The objects wobbling in the sky over Tremonton in that (1952?) film do not bare any resemblance to birds, or to their flight characteristics, other than the fact that they are airborne. From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:11 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!news1.best.com!agis!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news2.acs.oakland.edu!detroit.freenet.org!detroit.freenet.org!rburgan From: rburgan@detroit.freenet.org (Roland B. Burgan) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Satellite Tracking Date: 1 Nov 1995 20:56:54 GMT Organization: The Greater Detroit Free-Net Lines: 6 Message-ID: <478mum$lph@detroit.freenet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: detroit.freenet.org Is this a Windows (3.1) based program, or if not, does anyone know of a good satelitte tracking program for Windows. I'm currently using STSPLUS for Dos, which does fine, but would like t run in Windows 3.1 . -- From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:12 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!sislnews.csc.ti.com!usenet From: mbv@ti.com (Ken Durham) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Need help, I can't find any satellites Date: 1 Nov 1995 21:00:19 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 25 Message-ID: <478n53$eln@superb.csc.ti.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kend.sc.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 In article , jaytp@delphi.com says... >Is there any advice, tricks, or sure fire methods of finding a bird? >I have ben useing a protractor and a plumbob to measure my angles, >Is this the best method? > >Jay, I don't know what kind of mount you have, but if you have good visibility to the north, you can use a straight piece of tubular aluminum and line it up with the North Star to find true north, (look through it and center the star) then reference all the AZ readings to it. (You will need to rig up a fixture to hold it in place against the mount while you are measuring angles.) The vertical angle of the tubing also corresponds to your local lattitude in degrees which you can use to check your EL setting. You could also take readings of true north using a telescope that has a mount with graduations to read elevation and azimuth. You should be able to see a slight increase in the signal strength indication when the dish is aimed directly (+- about 1 degree) at the Sun. If so, then with an ACCURATE watch,record the time while you see the increased signal strength indication.Then measure the AZ and EL of the dish and compare the readings to the headings for the Sun at the time you recorded. Hope some of this is useful to you and you get a good picture soon. Ken K5MBV mbv@ti.com From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:13 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 1 Nov 1995 22:19:37 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> Reply-To: jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37228 alt.paranet.ufo:44688 rec.radio.amateur.space:5598 << The objects wobbling in the sky over Tremonton in that (1952?) film do not bare any resemblance to birds, or to their flight characteristics, other than the fact that they are airborne>> Sure they do. If they are REAL "UFOs", when have they ever been seen doing that same thing again. Geez, do some wider reading, get some perspective, exercise your brain, don't believe ME or ZEILER or any single source or point of view, and enjoy the debate. And learn which newsgroups to post which kind of messages on. From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:14 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!ip-pdx03-23.teleport.com!atavist From: atavist@teleport.com (Scribe Ortho-Priapulus MetaQuincunx) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 00:05:54 Organization: International Secular Atavism Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <46agrc$j39@pink.lm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-pdx03-23.teleport.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37239 alt.paranet.ufo:44706 rec.radio.amateur.space:5601 In article <46agrc$j39@pink.lm.com> raver909@telerama.lm.com (Joe LeSesne) writes: >From: raver909@telerama.lm.com (Joe LeSesne) >Subject: STS-73 Sees UFO >Date: 21 Oct 1995 06:08:44 -0400 > >At 2:06 AM Eastern Time these exact words were >heard by a female astronaut: "We have an Unidentified >Flying Object." >How do I know this? I heard it whilst watching >NASA TV. The person who posted this appears to have a 40-column terminal. Coincidence? I don't think so..... From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:14 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!ip-pdx03-23.teleport.com!atavist From: atavist@teleport.com (Scribe Ortho-Priapulus MetaQuincunx) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 00:08:01 Organization: International Secular Atavism Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <46agrc$j39@pink.lm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-pdx03-23.teleport.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37240 alt.paranet.ufo:44707 rec.radio.amateur.space:5602 > >At 2:06 AM Eastern Time these exact words were >heard by a female astronaut: "We have an Unidentified >Flying Object." >For 10-15 minutes nothing else was said. When something >WAS said it wasn't about the UFO. Don't sleep on this >It could be a BIG story. Either: Or e) they saw something and they didn't know what it was. That's the definition of an Unidetified Flying Object. From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:16 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!paperboy.ids.net!pslip016.ksc-fl.ids.net!kc4yer From: Philip Chien Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: SAREX-Help! Houston NASA TV repeater Date: 2 Nov 1995 04:09:24 GMT Organization: Earth News Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <479g9k$3ni@paperboy.ids.net> References: <01HWWDMK60KI0004DL@uthscsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pslip016.ksc-fl.ids.net X-Newsreader: Nuntius Version 1.2 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 03:09:16 GMT In <3seh00$ikv@news.tamu.edu>, g-taylor4@tamu.edu (Greg Taylor) writes: >Which Houston repeater carries shuttle audio retransmissions? >Tnx, Greg, KD4HZ The simple answer - 146.64 Mhz. the W5RRR 2 meter repeater. I've listened to it quite often when I'm in the Houston area. You'll hear bunches of hams who work at the Johnson Space Center on that repeater, including some of the ham astros. Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant PCHIEN@IDS.NET __ __^__ __________ | \ +---/ \---+ (========= |____\___________ +---\_____/---+ // >____)| | \__ \ \______//___ >/ |________| \ [ _____\ >|____________________\ \_______/ Roger, go at throttle up CHR$(32) the final frontier From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:29:17 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: Brian Zeiler Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 2 Nov 1995 05:33:21 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin Lines: 25 Message-ID: <479l71$15pi@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: f182-046.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37233 alt.paranet.ufo:44703 rec.radio.amateur.space:5600 jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) wrote: ><< The objects wobbling in the sky >over Tremonton in that (1952?) film do not bare any resemblance to birds, >or to their flight characteristics, other than the fact that they are >airborne>> > >Sure they do. If they are REAL "UFOs", when have they ever been seen doing >that same thing again. . The last ten minutes of the compilation of amateur UFO video footage on "Masters of the Stars" shows a daytime scene with background reference IDENTICAL to the Tremonton film. First there was a long, wriggly "wacky space snake", and then 20 or so glowing orbs were seen moving erratically, some wobbling and some hovering. What do you know that the USAF Bluebook investigators didn't know when they ruled out birds? And don't say the "flight characteristics", because the objects in Tremonton were moving far too bizarrely to be birds. No birds are so reflective, either, to glow white in bright daylight. -- Brian Zeiler From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:09:59 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.concom.com!news.sesqui.net!nb.rockwell.com!engr04.comsys.rockwell.com!MANFREDI From: manfredi@engr04.comsys.rockwell.com (Albert E. Manfredi) Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Message-ID: <1995Nov1.154312.2097@nb.rockwell.com> Sender: news@nb.rockwell.com Reply-To: manfredi@engr04.comsys.rockwell.com Organization: Rockwell Defense Electronics - Collins References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net>,<475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:43:12 GMT Lines: 35 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37245 alt.paranet.ufo:44715 rec.radio.amateur.space:5607 In article <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com>, stgprao@sugarland.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: >In article <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net>, Curt Prasky wrote: >>c9414388@alinga.newcastle.edu.au (Adam Cole-Clark) wrote: >> Actually, I think the idea that life does not exist anywhere else is a >>more far-fetched idea. The universe is a mighty big place, and it seems >>likely that ours is definitely NOT the only solar system in it. It would >>seem most unlikely that the Earth is the only planet in all the universe >>where intelligent life actually evolved. > >Then take our own solar system as a disappointing example. >Life on appears to be on one of thirty planet-size bodies. >Life larger than some slime only appear in the last 10% of >the earth's history, and things crawling on the visible land >5% of earth's history. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The sensible way to look at this is that this is one solar system of 100 billion in this galaxy alone. That's one in 100,000,000,000. And we know that there are 100s of billions of galaxies. We also now know that planets do exist out there, around other suns. At least some do. So, no matter how slim the chance for life is, with that kind of immensity one has to be awfully near-sighted to think there cannot be life elsewhere. The sheer numbers make it almost certain. To me, this is somewhat comparable to saying that Christopher Columbus should have been being amazed to find living things in the New World. Heavens why? The chemistry is the same. The environmental conditions were pretty similar. So why think that life wouldn't exist in the New World? Bert manfredi@engr05.comsys.rockwell.com From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:00 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sesqui.net!nb.rockwell.com!engr04.comsys.rockwell.com!MANFREDI From: manfredi@engr04.comsys.rockwell.com (Albert E. Manfredi) Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Message-ID: <1995Nov1.193846.5228@nb.rockwell.com> Sender: news@nb.rockwell.com Reply-To: manfredi@engr04.comsys.rockwell.com Organization: Rockwell Defense Electronics - Collins References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net> <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com> <476djm$4ib@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 19:38:46 GMT Lines: 34 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37246 alt.paranet.ufo:44728 rec.radio.amateur.space:5609 In article , cas@ops1.bwi.wec.com (Bob Casanova) writes: >We still have absolutely *no* data regarding how long it takes on the >average, nor on what percentage of planets it's likely to happen at all. A >sample of one is *not* statistically valid, except to show it's not impossible. True, all true. But we have more information than that. We know that the same chemistry we have here is also present elsewhere in the universe, from spectrographic data. We know that Carbon is a great element on which to base the complicated molecules needed to form life, because it has the +/- 4 valence and because it is still relatively light, which promotes stronger molecules. We know that carbon-based, complicated molecules (i.e. "organic") stay together in a certain temperature range. So we have certain parameters within which we can speculate that "life" might evolve (or, for those who must see this in a religious vein, environments in which God could create life). So, basically, the questions are these: 1. Do we really believe that in the unfathomable vastness of the universe we are the _only_ planet with the attributes needed to support carbon-based molecules? 2. Assuming that the answer to #1 is obvious to most people, do we really think that we are so unbelievably lucky to be the _only_ planet in trillions to have generated life forms? Bert manfredi@engr05.comsys.rockwell.com From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:01 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.netnet.net!pagesat.net!news.uoregon.edu!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!greg From: greg@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Greg Ewing) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Date: 2 Nov 1995 03:53:47 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <479fcb$kos@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net> <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com> <476djm$4ib@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.181.12.3 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37305 alt.paranet.ufo:44853 rec.radio.amateur.space:5630 In article , cas@ops1.bwi.wec.com (Bob Casanova) writes: |> |> Unfortunately, the available data only shows that life evolved on one planet. |> We have no idea on how many it *didn't* evolve (or, for that matter, on how |> many it *did*) - only bad statistics can result from incomplete data. True, but it's just as invalid to conclude unlikeliness from inadequate data as it is to conclude likeliness. The original poster took some data - one in thirty - and drew a statistical conclusion from it. I was just commenting that it's not the conclusion I would have drawn from the same data. |> We still have absolutely *no* data regarding how long it takes on the |> average, He seemed to be saying that life has only developed to high levels here very recently, therefore it's unlikely to have happened at all anywhere else. I don't follow that reasoning. |> Bob C. Greg From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:02 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.mailorder.com!news.avatar.com!avatar.avatar.com!kory From: Kory Hamzeh Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Satellite Tracking Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 21:09:03 -0800 Organization: Avatar Consultants, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <478mum$lph@detroit.freenet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: avatar.avatar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <478mum$lph@detroit.freenet.org> On 1 Nov 1995, Roland B. Burgan wrote: > > Is this a Windows (3.1) based program, or if not, does anyone > know of a good satelitte tracking program for Windows. I'm > currently using STSPLUS for Dos, which does fine, but would > like t run in Windows 3.1 . > -- > Try winorb, It's very nice and I beleive it's either public domain or shareware, I'm not sure. It's ussually on ftp.amsat.org or oak.oakland.edu. Kory From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:03 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!news.westnet.com!news-out.internetmci.com!internetMCI!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!simtel!chi-news.cic.net!news.suba.com!qni.com!gwatts From: Gary Watts Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: VE3ONT status 432MHz ? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 22:21:35 -0600 Organization: Suba Communications Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <47e7sb$sc8$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: qni.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <47e7sb$sc8$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Nope they lost access to the dish to another customer Gary Watts de N0OXV Kansas City Mo 81 GL1100I On 3 Nov 1995 Geoff@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: > Please has anyone any info on VE3ONT activity on 432MHz this EME > weekend. > Thanks for your assistance. 73 Geoff, G3TQF > > -- > Geoff, G3TQF > > From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:04 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!sparky!kwiudl.kwi.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: drted@ix.netcom.com (Ted Viens) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 4 Nov 1995 00:14:37 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <47eb9d$pcj@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> References: <47duei$1lm4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47e896$n4d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-hou10-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Nov 03 4:14:37 PM PST 1995 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37266 alt.paranet.ufo:44769 rec.radio.amateur.space:5623 In <47e896$n4d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) writes: > >Zeiler: <analysis was >thorough and they ruled out birds for two sound reasons.>> > >What USAF analysis? > >Besides, don';t you think that UFO research has improved since 1952, with >the accumulation of a LITTLE more experience? > >You can always tell a fairy tale by the phrase, "Long ago and far >away...". And lo and behold, UFO buffs love the stories that are from long >ago and far away. Coincidence? --- Go get 'im, Brian... --- -- Bye... Ted.. Deep in the Heart of the Armpits of Houston, Texas... From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:05 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!braintree!news.concourse.com!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!rclnews.eng.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: Brian Zeiler Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 4 Nov 1995 00:17:30 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin Lines: 26 Message-ID: <47ebeq$8us@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <47duei$1lm4@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47e896$n4d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: f180-102.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37244 alt.paranet.ufo:44712 rec.radio.amateur.space:5606 jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) wrote: >Zeiler: <analysis was >thorough and they ruled out birds for two sound reasons.>> > >What USAF analysis? Bluebook. >Besides, don';t you think that UFO research has improved since 1952, with >the accumulation of a LITTLE more experience? Actually, public UFO research in military intelligence has ceased to exist. >You can always tell a fairy tale by the phrase, "Long ago and far >away...". And lo and behold, UFO buffs love the stories that are from long >ago and far away. Coincidence? What does this have to do with the film? I told you why USAF ruled out birds and now you're blathering on about irrelevancies. -- Brian Zeiler From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:06 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.uoregon.edu!linux0.unsl.edu.ar!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!salliemae!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 4 Nov 1995 00:20:46 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <47et7e$b61@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <47ebeq$8us@news.doit.wisc.edu> Reply-To: gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37243 alt.paranet.ufo:44709 rec.radio.amateur.space:5604 Brian, uh, hello. . . .Brian? I think what Oberg was saying is that it wasn't the Air Force group that championed the Tremonton films, but a Navy group. And you didn't even catch on that he had --again-- showed you up for a spouting ignoramus. You are so darned SINCERE that what you imagine happened REALLY happened, it's touching. From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:07 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!serv.HiNet.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cospo.osis.gov!naic.wpafb.af.mil!blackbird.afit.af.mil!cougar!tkelso From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: NORAD Two-Line Orbital Element Set: Space Shuttle (95307.21971007) Date: 4 Nov 95 02:56:41 GMT Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cougar.afit.af.mil Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian, NORAD The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are carried on the Celestial BBS, (334) 409-9280, and are updated daily (when possible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at speeds up to 28,800 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space. STS 73 1 23688U 95056A 95307.21971007 .00142886 14123-4 20849-3 0 602 2 23688 39.0118 23.8479 0007351 6.9784 353.1084 16.04274631 2194 -- Dr TS Kelso Adjunct Professor of Space Operations tkelso@afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:09 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.jmls.edu!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cospo.osis.gov!naic.wpafb.af.mil!blackbird.afit.af.mil!cougar!tkelso From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: NORAD Two-Line Orbital Element Set Format Date: 4 Nov 95 02:57:14 GMT Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Lines: 68 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cougar.afit.af.mil Keywords: Satellite, Orbital Elements, Keplerian, Format, NORAD As a service to the satellite user community, the following description of the NORAD two-line orbital element set format is uploaded to sci.space.news and rec.radio.amateur.space on a monthly basis. The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are carried on the Celestial BBS, (334) 409-9280, and are updated daily (when possible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at speeds up to 28,800 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. In addition, element sets (updated daily) and some documentation and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space. ============================================================================== Data for each satellite consists of three lines in the following format: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 1 NNNNNU NNNNNAAA NNNNN.NNNNNNNN +.NNNNNNNN +NNNNN-N +NNNNN-N N NNNNN 2 NNNNN NNN.NNNN NNN.NNNN NNNNNNN NNN.NNNN NNN.NNNN NN.NNNNNNNNNNNNNN Line 0 is a twenty-two-character name (this change is being made to be consistent with the name length in the NORAD SATCAT). Lines 1 and 2 are the standard Two-Line Orbital Element Set Format identical to that used by NORAD and NASA. The format description is: Line 1 Column Description 01-01 Line Number of Element Data 03-07 Satellite Number 10-11 International Designator (Last two digits of launch year) 12-14 International Designator (Launch number of the year) 15-17 International Designator (Piece of launch) 19-20 Epoch Year (Last two digits of year) 21-32 Epoch (Julian Day and fractional portion of the day) 34-43 First Time Derivative of the Mean Motion or Ballistic Coefficient (Depending on ephemeris type) 45-52 Second Time Derivative of Mean Motion (decimal point assumed; blank if N/A) 54-61 BSTAR drag term if GP4 general perturbation theory was used. Otherwise, radiation pressure coefficient. (Decimal point assumed) 63-63 Ephemeris type 65-68 Element number 69-69 Check Sum (Modulo 10) (Letters, blanks, periods, plus signs = 0; minus signs = 1) Line 2 Column Description 01-01 Line Number of Element Data 03-07 Satellite Number 09-16 Inclination [Degrees] 18-25 Right Ascension of the Ascending Node [Degrees] 27-33 Eccentricity (decimal point assumed) 35-42 Argument of Perigee [Degrees] 44-51 Mean Anomaly [Degrees] 53-63 Mean Motion [Revs per day] 64-68 Revolution number at epoch [Revs] 69-69 Check Sum (Modulo 10) All other columns are blank or fixed. Example: NOAA 6 1 11416U 86 50.28438588 0.00000140 67960-4 0 5293 2 11416 98.5105 69.3305 0012788 63.2828 296.9658 14.24899292346978 -- Dr TS Kelso Adjunct Professor of Space Operations tkelso@afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:18 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.onramp.net!news.tcst.com!op.net!news.fyionline.com!news-out.internetmci.com!internetMCI!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cospo.osis.gov!naic.wpafb.af.mil!blackbird.afit.af.mil!cougar!tkelso From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: NORAD Two-Line Orbital Element Sets (TLE701) Date: 4 Nov 95 02:59:13 GMT Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Lines: 762 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cougar.afit.af.mil Keywords: Satellite, Orbital Elements, Keplerian, NORAD The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are carried on the Celestial BBS, (334) 409-9280, and are updated daily (when possible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at speeds up to 28,800 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. Element sets (also updated daily) and some documentation and software are available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current of these elements are uploaded weekly to sci.space.news and rec.radio.amateur.space. This week's elements are provided below. - Current Two-Line Element Sets #701 - Alouette 1 1 00424U 62049A 95306.08294314 .00000053 00000-0 51831-4 0 1470 2 00424 80.4557 148.8206 0022588 265.3034 94.5531 13.67854459651155 ATS 1 1 02608U 66110A 95291.80248428 .00000117 00000-0 10000-3 0 9456 2 02608 14.6418 355.3831 0009155 78.5003 281.6366 1.00376633 22435 ATS 3 1 03029U 67111A 95306.56497017 -.00000126 00000-0 10000-3 0 4148 2 03029 14.8762 2.2123 0009801 259.6889 237.4074 1.00272575102480 Cosmos 398 1 04966U 71016A 95307.19005007 .00507502 10524-4 21632-3 0 786 2 04966 51.3823 277.1823 0268305 238.8954 118.5271 15.75238948846412 Starlette 1 07646U 75010A 95305.49920372 -.00000125 00000-0 13243-4 0 9259 2 07646 49.8275 331.1510 0206232 195.1633 164.3015 13.82189480 47338 LAGEOS 1 08820U 76039A 95307.17314505 .00000035 00000-0 10000-3 0 1470 2 08820 109.8525 308.2356 0044368 177.5154 182.5777 6.38664557199334 ETS-2 1 09852U 77014A 95302.32613183 .00000008 00000-0 10000-3 0 464 2 09852 12.9250 35.6040 0004824 100.8500 259.1717 0.99998827 15329 GOES 2 1 10061U 77048A 95305.44582412 .00000050 00000-0 00000+0 0 5941 2 10061 12.0305 39.7458 0011437 141.5201 204.0317 1.00269866 12140 IUE 1 10637U 78012A 95302.30509404 -.00000171 00000-0 10000-3 0 1827 2 10637 35.4103 86.8557 1340245 50.6503 334.8407 1.00292269 17617 GPS BI-01 1 10684U 78020A 95303.56698765 -.00000062 00000-0 10000-3 0 3984 2 10684 64.8961 30.6990 0062672 160.7150 199.5418 1.98069523114843 GPS BI-02 1 10893U 78047A 95298.22506795 .00000006 00000-0 10000-3 0 1943 2 10893 63.2678 268.5463 0225249 14.3001 346.2953 2.01627361128058 GOES 3 1 10953U 78062A 95301.36552131 .00000042 00000-0 10000-3 0 5575 2 10953 10.9979 42.6095 0006375 135.7149 216.9558 1.00371843 16710 SeaSat 1 1 10967U 78064A 95307.04063843 -.00000017 00000-0 38778-4 0 4407 2 10967 107.9964 64.7754 0002121 226.1029 133.9925 14.38065824908798 GPS BI-03 1 11054U 78093A 95301.94002863 .00000013 00000-0 10000-3 0 3608 2 11054 62.9737 267.0013 0045778 180.5832 179.3923 1.93505257124169 Nimbus 7 1 11080U 78098A 95305.13027161 -.00000060 00000-0 -16454-4 0 5409 2 11080 98.9783 173.0978 0008476 219.7392 140.3129 13.83701328859490 GPS BI-04 1 11141U 78112A 95305.19093785 -.00000078 00000-0 10000-3 0 138 2 11141 64.8985 32.7041 0049414 27.8837 332.4007 1.92894794 13460 GPS BI-05 1 11690U 80011A 95298.51975407 -.00000033 00000-0 10000-3 0 9483 2 11690 65.2560 32.4001 0148231 193.2950 166.3380 2.00568300129475 GPS BI-06 1 11783U 80032A 95303.83741870 -.00000006 00000-0 10000-3 0 1095 2 11783 62.4044 261.3976 0221091 29.4182 331.7923 2.03456670114149 GOES 5 1 12472U 81049A 95306.24821416 -.00000255 00000-0 10000-3 0 8906 2 12472 7.7772 52.5623 0006598 53.0394 306.9589 1.00226386 10811 Cosmos 1383 1 13301U 82066A 95303.50737199 .00000029 00000-0 16652-4 0 4463 2 13301 82.9294 302.9306 0027872 152.4835 207.7798 13.68069790665838 LandSat 4 1 13367U 82072A 95306.74197744 .00000024 00000-0 15191-4 0 7866 2 13367 98.1134 359.1379 0007748 120.9279 239.2680 14.57166116707395 DMSP B5D2-1 1 13736U 82118A 95306.00999694 .00000011 00000-0 23074-4 0 8798 2 13736 98.6276 133.0428 0008440 340.5497 19.5344 14.25760473668554 IRAS 1 13777U 83004A 95307.04261482 -.00000026 00000-0 11884-4 0 1280 2 13777 98.9663 132.3677 0013336 6.8119 353.3211 13.99245658321600 Cosmos 1447 1 13916U 83021A 95307.21833197 .00000022 00000-0 68657-5 0 5438 2 13916 82.9459 358.9179 0039663 64.6937 295.8318 13.74331535632566 TDRS 1 1 13969U 83026B 95303.33767721 .00000080 00000-0 00000+0 0 4894 2 13969 8.6060 45.9599 0002528 152.5809 182.0725 1.00262366 19065 GOES 6 1 14050U 83041A 95306.29051461 -.00000207 00000-0 10000-3 0 4604 2 14050 6.5996 55.8231 0004049 24.2540 335.7077 1.00319730103915 OSCAR 10 1 14129U 83058B 95301.79734081 -.00000147 00000-0 10000-3 0 3832 2 14129 26.4483 241.3041 5979377 321.7524 8.2043 2.05879727 65085 LandSat 5 1 14780U 84021A 95304.23652972 .00000308 00000-0 78410-4 0 3654 2 14780 98.1939 357.0280 0003901 171.3117 188.8146 14.57119064620440 UoSat 2 1 14781U 84021B 95303.01889508 .00000172 00000-0 36928-4 0 8378 2 14781 97.7874 299.2682 0012648 107.4750 252.7832 14.69392764623706 GPS BI-09 1 15039U 84059A 95302.32531950 -.00000056 00000-0 10000-3 0 3722 2 15039 64.5648 27.1480 0082034 18.7678 341.5702 1.92302267 82979 Cosmos 1574 1 15055U 84062A 95302.83697284 .00000018 00000-0 32439-5 0 7434 2 15055 82.9543 56.5616 0026094 267.0428 92.7741 13.73627402569227 GPS BI-10 1 15271U 84097A 95302.66013969 .00000005 00000-0 10000-3 0 724 2 15271 62.0996 261.8650 0157624 355.2797 4.5449 2.00605065 80627 Cosmos 1602 1 15331U 84105A 95304.10243188 .00000222 00000-0 23275-4 0 4285 2 15331 82.5343 328.5861 0020510 353.9643 6.1307 14.84686896598834 NOAA 9 1 15427U 84123A 95306.74592587 .00000050 00000-0 50282-4 0 4628 2 15427 98.9805 6.1861 0014033 237.3721 122.6092 14.13740215561493 GPS BI-11 1 16129U 85093A 95299.29958406 -.00000035 00000-0 10000-3 0 6856 2 16129 65.2350 30.5580 0155997 86.2243 275.5885 1.89368105 17474 Mir 1 16609U 86017A 95305.58692709 .00008513 00000-0 11833-3 0 3004 2 16609 51.6475 189.5725 0003481 289.0199 71.0389 15.57894225554373 SPOT 1 1 16613U 86019A 95306.84543624 .00000090 00000-0 62356-4 0 8668 2 16613 98.6365 15.0129 0000832 45.1875 314.9371 14.20075245188046 Cosmos 1766 1 16881U 86055A 95305.70309690 .00000229 00000-0 24792-4 0 3449 2 16881 82.5189 24.8808 0020428 15.0137 345.1679 14.83673455499960 EGP 1 16908U 86061A 95304.47606525 -.00000083 00000-0 10000-3 0 392 2 16908 50.0099 343.2356 0011600 148.2920 211.8616 12.44412809 87802 NOAA 10 1 16969U 86073A 95306.90871898 .00000026 00000-0 29220-4 0 3775 2 16969 98.5156 305.6369 0012637 302.6536 57.3425 14.24961572474230 MOS-1 1 17527U 87018A 95307.09214701 -.00000044 00000-0 00000+0 0 3121 2 17527 98.9645 8.7084 0016487 226.6120 133.3739 13.99187460443207 GOES 7 1 17561U 87022A 95299.25433054 .00000077 00000-0 10000-3 0 6051 2 17561 2.5961 71.2332 0001464 316.5343 323.3634 1.00285514 14941 Kvant-1 1 17845U 87030A 95307.12647714 .00004226 00000-0 62065-4 0 4250 2 17845 51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019 79.9243 15.57915226488723 DMSP B5D2-3 1 18123U 87053A 95306.75775135 -.00000007 00000-0 18854-4 0 2015 2 18123 98.7767 135.7337 0013751 180.1898 179.9268 14.15422776432327 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87054A 95307.08812857 .00000023 00000-0 85070-5 0 1293 2 18129 82.9250 316.4000 0013431 66.2758 293.9801 13.72358256419029 Meteor 2-16 1 18312U 87068A 95303.71118226 .00000071 00000-0 49919-4 0 4351 2 18312 82.5581 174.8873 0012789 140.5988 219.6102 13.84064953414290 Meteor 2-17 1 18820U 88005A 95307.23032574 .00000068 00000-0 47365-4 0 7654 2 18820 82.5400 227.6288 0015244 201.3514 158.7017 13.84745716392118 DMSP B5D2-4 1 18822U 88006A 95307.09956733 .00000003 00000-0 19543-4 0 1068 2 18822 98.3911 144.8538 0005993 318.4796 41.5926 14.23169705402271 Glonass 34 1 19163U 88043A 95302.71192661 .00000062 00000-0 10000-3 0 268 2 19163 65.1779 93.6436 0008155 145.9199 214.1276 2.13102482 57306 Glonass 36 1 19165U 88043C 95305.58409940 .00000055 00000-0 10000-3 0 4366 2 19165 65.1636 93.5078 0000453 228.3175 131.6784 2.13102183 57983 METEOSAT 3 1 19215U 88051A 95306.24278988 -.00000286 00000-0 10000-3 0 2108 2 19215 2.7857 68.9339 0001219 176.7327 173.6122 1.00267929 14950 AO-13 1 19216U 88051B 95304.38706202 .00000239 00000-0 15756-3 0 1038 2 19216 57.4524 155.7574 7338361 22.7620 357.7609 2.09721719 25026 OKEAN 1 1 19274U 88056A 95305.03409041 .00000227 00000-0 25343-4 0 446 2 19274 82.5138 126.0841 0019868 152.7887 207.4360 14.82403883395420 Meteor 3-2 1 19336U 88064A 95306.24867034 .00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 4349 2 19336 82.5433 327.7290 0018426 87.2509 273.0728 13.16975438349474 Glonass 39 1 19503U 88085C 95304.20529182 -.00000029 00000-0 10000-3 0 3289 2 19503 65.6563 332.4718 0007757 168.4717 191.6010 2.13101814 55446 NOAA 11 1 19531U 88089A 95306.87400871 -.00000022 00000-0 13607-4 0 2720 2 19531 99.1963 313.9720 0011637 155.0186 205.1551 14.13069259366348 TDRS 2 1 19548U 88091B 95304.82208119 -.00000209 00000-0 10000-3 0 1533 2 19548 2.0551 71.6208 0008648 157.6215 191.8858 1.00271769 13220 Glonass 40 1 19749U 89001A 95300.02000977 .00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 5424 2 19749 65.1077 93.2740 0005202 272.4716 87.4665 2.13101504 52865 Glonass 41 1 19750U 89001B 95306.64497756 .00000043 00000-0 10000-3 0 4537 2 19750 65.1380 93.1190 0008241 216.0616 143.8778 2.13101875 53023 GPS BII-01 1 19802U 89013A 95306.79443494 .00000071 00000-0 10000-3 0 1341 2 19802 55.2510 119.6928 0029030 174.1464 185.8970 2.00559886 49157 Akebono 1 19822U 89016A 95306.96604282 .00012017 00000-0 62841-3 0 5942 2 19822 75.1168 255.2642 3766386 277.2007 42.4945 7.88377389148744 Meteor 2-18 1 19851U 89018A 95303.00385320 .00000023 00000-0 78499-5 0 4331 2 19851 82.5146 105.4167 0012865 265.7575 94.2113 13.84398261336844 MOP-1 1 19876U 89020B 95299.91263106 .00000059 00000-0 10000-3 0 1475 2 19876 1.4792 72.8385 0008398 178.3286 122.2763 1.00270022 4339 TDRS 3 1 19883U 89021B 95303.59265938 -.00000282 00000-0 10000-3 0 1333 2 19883 0.1257 72.7593 0005078 152.8839 345.1424 1.00268326 2963 GPS BII-02 1 20061U 89044A 95306.13554081 -.00000043 00000-0 10000-3 0 1347 2 20061 54.3400 295.7983 0149048 216.2838 142.6506 2.00562703 46881 Nadezhda 1 1 20103U 89050A 95306.84092215 .00000028 00000-0 14338-4 0 5711 2 20103 82.9562 276.3267 0037286 329.2470 30.6502 13.73859313317466 GPS BII-03 1 20185U 89064A 95305.47408231 .00000072 00000-0 10000-3 0 1540 2 20185 54.9946 120.2191 0018110 346.5978 13.3827 2.00563656 45448 GMS 4 1 20217U 89070A 95302.58220972 -.00000379 00000-0 10000-3 0 2638 2 20217 1.3038 76.0215 0001497 356.2836 295.0749 1.00273464 23091 INTERCOSMOS 24 1 20261U 89080A 95303.39198075 .00000293 00000-0 87500-4 0 4508 2 20261 82.5932 58.1328 1241870 206.3928 146.8431 12.47291660277137 GPS BII-04 1 20302U 89085A 95306.01184243 -.00000061 00000-0 10000-3 0 1481 2 20302 53.3095 235.7736 0013494 152.6636 207.3798 2.00560059 44255 Meteor 3-3 1 20305U 89086A 95307.01339003 .00000044 00000-0 10000-3 0 4250 2 20305 82.5446 281.6342 0007602 132.8836 227.2935 13.04420674288585 COBE 1 20322U 89089A 95303.10687881 .00000317 00000-0 23064-3 0 1623 2 20322 98.9549 317.1069 0009495 323.0259 37.0251 14.03455877304518 Kvant-2 1 20335U 89093A 95307.12647714 .00004226 00000-0 62065-4 0 4226 2 20335 51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019 79.9243 15.57915226337735 GPS BII-05 1 20361U 89097A 95304.52686394 -.00000027 00000-0 10000-3 0 9858 2 20361 55.8753 62.3640 0081044 128.1152 232.5079 2.00564862 33709 COSMOS 2054 (Altair-1) 1 20391U 89101A 95305.40496821 -.00000144 00000-0 10000-3 0 2403 2 20391 3.4019 64.9873 0003386 117.0545 348.2334 1.00271029 21703 SPOT 2 1 20436U 90005A 95304.22738716 .00000169 00000-0 10000-3 0 9907 2 20436 98.7229 16.4997 0001098 20.7262 339.3925 14.20033794299206 UO-14 1 20437U 90005B 95304.25425534 .00000023 00000-0 25958-4 0 1362 2 20437 98.5619 26.3949 0010870 153.7856 206.3875 14.29901532301191 UO-15 1 20438U 90005C 95306.73786992 -.00000009 00000-0 13639-4 0 9339 2 20438 98.5556 27.1473 0009932 151.3069 208.8666 14.29217210301435 PACSAT 1 20439U 90005D 95305.76024975 .00000024 00000-0 26334-4 0 9352 2 20439 98.5733 29.7345 0011069 150.5335 209.6471 14.29956317301420 DO-17 1 20440U 90005E 95305.24539455 .00000044 00000-0 33657-4 0 9359 2 20440 98.5756 29.7527 0011273 150.8714 209.3095 14.30097885301371 WO-18 1 20441U 90005F 95303.27137036 .00000015 00000-0 22759-4 0 9393 2 20441 98.5750 27.7677 0011552 157.8578 202.3103 14.30067983301093 LO-19 1 20442U 90005G 95304.75361742 .00000027 00000-0 27378-4 0 9341 2 20442 98.5765 29.6344 0012310 152.8556 207.3271 14.30172780301325 GPS BII-06 1 20452U 90008A 95306.91721329 .00000029 00000-0 10000-3 0 937 2 20452 54.0199 176.0170 0060498 84.8707 275.9081 2.00555036 42257 MOS-1B 1 20478U 90013A 95304.69904463 .00000090 00000-0 10000-3 0 8561 2 20478 99.1367 11.8209 0001326 89.6132 270.5181 13.94861093212564 DEBUT 1 20479U 90013B 95307.17121731 -.00000004 00000-0 73537-4 0 9356 2 20479 99.0632 10.0435 0539925 278.3845 75.6408 12.83335595268781 FO-20 1 20480U 90013C 95303.21245722 .00000001 00000-0 83485-4 0 8310 2 20480 99.0648 6.6578 0540069 287.7834 66.5059 12.83231577268261 MOS-1B R/B 1 20491U 90013D 95303.86291855 .00000424 00000-0 85504-3 0 1822 2 20491 99.0635 65.0409 0470682 113.6894 251.4331 13.02990972271868 LACE 1 20496U 90015A 95305.56328521 .00001465 00000-0 50513-4 0 5923 2 20496 43.1060 67.8478 0009607 8.3452 351.7681 15.35021357318680 Nadezhda 2 1 20508U 90017A 95306.76831172 .00000058 00000-0 46040-4 0 5706 2 20508 82.9538 50.9401 0043324 279.4226 80.2033 13.73500265284674 OKEAN 2 1 20510U 90018A 95303.40765857 .00000191 00000-0 22916-4 0 4527 2 20510 82.5219 80.2206 0019818 358.5576 1.5561 14.78539414305575 GPS BII-07 1 20533U 90025A 95305.32875305 -.00000035 00000-0 10000-3 0 1124 2 20533 54.7078 296.5044 0046134 76.8856 283.6335 2.00572006 40998 PegSat 1 20546U 90028A 95306.76281787 .00007425 00000-0 14613-3 0 8596 2 20546 94.1255 222.9085 0063531 161.2708 199.1088 15.45074288309862 HST 1 20580U 90037B 95305.39294525 .00000426 00000-0 26945-4 0 7322 2 20580 28.4696 249.1483 0006218 302.6869 57.3113 14.90961600104409 MACSAT 2 1 20608U 90043B 95306.67726996 .00000144 00000-0 21680-4 0 1360 2 20608 89.9322 175.3397 0107581 130.1520 230.9176 14.64873552292983 Glonass 44 1 20619U 90045A 95306.95810387 -.00000026 00000-0 10000-3 0 2390 2 20619 65.2528 331.7278 0025692 208.9945 150.9163 2.13102442 42460 Glonass 45 1 20620U 90045B 95306.13830318 -.00000026 00000-0 10000-3 0 2400 2 20620 65.2561 331.7515 0007760 48.2392 311.8821 2.13102550 42481 Glonass 46 1 20621U 90045C 95305.26672009 -.00000027 00000-0 10000-3 0 8345 2 20621 65.2752 331.8385 0011313 196.2299 163.7865 2.13101850 42461 Kristall 1 20635U 90048A 95307.12647714 .00004226 00000-0 62065-4 0 2140 2 20635 51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019 79.9243 15.57915226308567 ROSAT 1 20638U 90049A 95305.28992372 .00000377 00000-0 43587-4 0 5045 2 20638 52.9907 249.7810 0013987 147.4144 212.7712 15.07287805297796 Meteor 2-19 1 20670U 90057A 95303.66876415 -.00000009 00000-0 -21270-4 0 9334 2 20670 82.5501 170.9641 0015773 176.4232 183.7044 13.84150057269855 CRRES 1 20712U 90065A 95305.90706335 .00000473 00000-0 60446-3 0 1806 2 20712 18.1440 343.3500 7192749 206.9714 82.5332 2.35628642 37739 GPS BII-08 1 20724U 90068A 95305.65125599 .00000070 00000-0 10000-3 0 9601 2 20724 54.8921 117.8434 0122630 175.5892 184.5614 2.00565025 36862 Feng Yun1-2 1 20788U 90081A 95307.05047280 -.00000027 00000-0 10000-4 0 6265 2 20788 98.8085 315.3665 0016477 55.2766 304.9867 14.01288789264287 Meteor 2-20 1 20826U 90086A 95306.84481393 .00000009 00000-0 -52221-5 0 9452 2 20826 82.5204 105.2342 0014901 75.1277 285.1536 13.83617154257409 GPS BII-09 1 20830U 90088A 95304.70306220 -.00000033 00000-0 10000-3 0 9721 2 20830 55.7969 60.3428 0067181 100.3532 260.4125 2.00558118 37488 GPS BIIA-10 1 20959U 90103A 95302.61428474 .00000058 00000-0 10000-3 0 9338 2 20959 55.0883 119.9831 0101580 230.4896 128.6578 2.00569638 36033 DMSP B5D2-5 1 20978U 90105A 95306.69380698 .00000117 00000-0 57024-4 0 3998 2 20978 98.6271 14.3624 0079725 120.8073 240.0967 14.32594402257143 Glonass 47 1 21006U 90110A 95305.76082080 .00000050 00000-0 10000-3 0 8070 2 21006 65.1103 92.4244 0057986 186.3994 173.5269 2.13102714 38147 Glonass 48 1 21007U 90110B 95302.66549679 .00000060 00000-0 10000-3 0 9307 2 21007 65.1303 92.5982 0036047 177.6933 182.3226 2.13101157 38063 Glonass 49 1 21008U 90110C 95305.84250922 .00000050 00000-0 00000+0 0 1453 2 21008 65.0960 92.4426 0008244 265.6820 94.2229 2.13098518 38122 AO-21 1 21087U 91006A 95306.90012289 .00000094 00000-0 82657-4 0 6462 2 21087 82.9395 129.9330 0036146 117.5703 242.9132 13.74560857238784 RS-12/13 1 21089U 91007A 95305.17473946 .00000067 00000-0 54839-4 0 8412 2 21089 82.9229 359.1848 0029243 147.7249 212.5694 13.74062012237586 MOP-2 1 21140U 91015B 95304.10027199 -.00000025 00000-0 10000-3 0 1145 2 21140 0.0911 31.8628 0005695 358.6198 44.1740 1.00279248 19300 Nadezhda 3 1 21152U 91019A 95306.88156057 .00000078 00000-0 67527-4 0 2612 2 21152 82.9226 314.1503 0040642 254.9313 104.7357 13.73525608232545 Glonass 50 1 21216U 91025A 95305.31044628 -.00000027 00000-0 10000-3 0 4527 2 21216 65.0079 331.4070 0006003 206.2665 153.7537 2.13102844 35649 Glonass 51 1 21217U 91025B 95306.31853025 -.00000027 00000-0 10000-3 0 8577 2 21217 64.9895 331.3749 0007693 212.8827 147.1289 2.13101549 35658 Glonass 52 1 21218U 91025C 95301.26792809 -.00000028 00000-0 10000-3 0 3328 2 21218 64.9920 331.5204 0007753 300.6477 59.3333 2.13102712 35556 GRO 1 21225U 91027B 95307.20545806 .00003023 00000-0 60099-4 0 3096 2 21225 28.4616 326.9467 0003421 164.7558 195.3181 15.43253305134821 Meteor 3-4 1 21232U 91030A 95306.14467027 .00000050 00000-0 10000-3 0 8445 2 21232 82.5449 174.0180 0014118 15.2615 344.8933 13.16469602217530 NOAA 12 1 21263U 91032A 95306.82008718 .00000077 00000-0 53497-4 0 6977 2 21263 98.5786 327.2673 0011950 213.0667 146.9765 14.22570761232134 OKEAN 3 1 21397U 91039A 95305.18141496 .00000248 00000-0 32291-4 0 1436 2 21397 82.5249 352.0933 0024811 62.9427 297.4305 14.76421584237571 GPS BIIA-11 1 21552U 91047A 95306.87424127 -.00000060 00000-0 10000-6 0 9077 2 21552 56.0906 58.0053 0067634 243.5189 115.7771 2.00556191 31712 ERS-1 1 21574U 91050A 95305.74565867 .00000032 00000-0 27960-4 0 2158 2 21574 98.5480 18.0916 0001121 66.6932 293.4369 14.32251826224746 UO-22 1 21575U 91050B 95305.17967097 .00000042 00000-0 28488-4 0 6417 2 21575 98.3821 13.0197 0006601 232.8509 127.2063 14.36997407225174 ORBCOMM-X 1 21576U 91050C 95304.20919915 .00000045 00000-0 30087-4 0 7363 2 21576 98.3803 10.3270 0002914 252.9967 107.0894 14.36407428224931 TUBSAT-A 1 21577U 91050D 95305.17143558 .00000033 00000-0 25620-4 0 6355 2 21577 98.3800 11.8160 0005453 236.4562 123.6110 14.36498724225106 SARA 1 21578U 91050E 95303.20593001 .00000312 00000-0 11471-3 0 8350 2 21578 98.4040 16.2149 0003989 236.7449 123.3345 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95305.19520993 -.00000053 00000-0 10000-3 0 4672 2 22700 54.2722 237.6789 0042457 350.2963 9.6234 2.00568489 17157 NOAA 13 1 22739U 93050A 95305.86123174 -.00000063 00000-0 -99765-5 0 9211 2 22739 99.0080 254.9597 0010381 142.8549 217.3371 14.10945725114859 GPS BIIA-22 1 22779U 93054A 95303.78971084 -.00000028 00000-0 10000-3 0 5319 2 22779 54.4951 296.7876 0019989 255.0692 104.7485 2.00554249 15889 Meteor 2-21 1 22782U 93055A 95305.08666551 .00000064 00000-0 44779-4 0 4385 2 22782 82.5516 168.7078 0020775 261.2033 98.6774 13.83042066109469 UFO F2 1 22787U 93056A 95306.09780093 -.00000092 00000-0 00000+0 0 5568 2 22787 4.3881 325.4366 0003481 244.4702 298.4825 1.00266090 6547 SPOT 3 1 22823U 93061A 95306.24114061 -.00000044 00000-0 00000+0 0 4834 2 22823 98.7251 18.5340 0001174 53.8732 306.2554 14.20030116108881 STELLA 1 22824U 93061B 95305.19246758 -.00000031 00000-0 49334-5 0 4269 2 22824 98.6055 19.1901 0005637 176.0074 184.1152 14.27102747109276 AO-27 1 22825U 93061C 95306.23584530 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10000-3 0 3787 2 22912 0.5283 280.4403 0002143 328.4791 355.8685 1.00273499 5573 HST Array 1 22920U 90037C 95304.06238114 .00005617 00000-0 40074-3 0 3924 2 22920 28.4692 203.4794 0003442 212.6069 147.4243 15.02468523104754 Meteor 3-6 1 22969U 94003A 95304.82079007 .00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 2070 2 22969 82.5548 62.3251 0016826 90.4782 269.8273 13.16732094 84863 TUBSAT-B 1 22970U 94003B 95306.82446783 .00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 1993 2 22970 82.5554 60.8360 0017497 83.0470 277.2648 13.16826265 85137 GPS BIIA-24 1 23027U 94016A 95303.92086150 -.00000084 00000-0 10000-3 0 2759 2 23027 55.0736 359.1927 0066381 200.2260 159.5568 2.00564751 12084 Glonass 62 1 23043U 94021A 95304.13820505 -.00000030 00000-0 00000+0 0 2742 2 23043 64.7237 331.9291 0007372 201.0812 158.9406 2.13103017 12109 Glonass 63 1 23044U 94021B 95306.83636519 -.00000028 00000-0 00000+0 0 2457 2 23044 64.7139 331.8311 0031303 206.3597 153.5340 2.13103145 12168 Glonass 64 1 23045U 94021C 95304.19732130 -.00000030 00000-0 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23204 64.7610 211.8205 0015019 346.4238 13.5750 2.13102065 9530 Glonass 67 1 23205U 94050C 95305.39030629 -.00000032 00000-0 00000+0 0 2037 2 23205 64.7732 211.8195 0001956 308.3680 51.6563 2.13102270 9529 DMSP B5D2-7 1 23233U 94057A 95306.51395466 .00000097 00000-0 76219-4 0 5474 2 23233 98.8613 3.2331 0013284 104.1757 256.0895 14.12650704 60680 OKEAN 1-7 1 23317U 94066A 95303.90769013 .00000135 00000-0 16990-4 0 1053 2 23317 82.5413 270.8513 0027601 106.8079 253.6154 14.73969879 56611 ELEKTRO 1 23327U 94069A 95300.27275183 -.00000107 00000-0 00000+0 0 974 2 23327 0.5292 258.1124 0003580 220.9028 90.3341 1.00272031 3659 RESURS 1-3 1 23342U 94074A 95306.16253873 .00001147 00000-0 20032-3 0 3768 2 23342 98.0003 3.2381 0001390 69.6341 313.3751 14.69786036 53310 Glonass 68 1 23396U 94076A 95304.76437424 .00000057 00000-0 00000+0 0 1631 2 23396 64.9939 92.0624 0030756 188.4359 171.5137 2.13102437 7350 Glonass 69 1 23397U 94076B 95305.40923914 .00000052 00000-0 00000+0 0 1699 2 23397 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64.7320 332.2149 0006811 303.7108 56.2744 2.13102365 5061 Glonass 73 1 23513U 95009C 95306.13309715 -.00000028 00000-0 00000+0 0 1317 2 23513 64.7351 332.1466 0014710 207.2451 152.7311 2.13102916 5113 SFU 1 23521U 95011A 95307.05878037 .00004578 00000-0 13744-3 0 1146 2 23521 28.4556 207.4701 0012852 354.8437 5.2048 15.31685338 35211 GMS 5 1 23522U 95011B 95306.24560451 -.00000302 00000-0 10000-3 0 711 2 23522 0.6777 304.0703 0001398 207.1462 118.3889 1.00267215 2164 DMSP B5D2-8 1 23533U 95015A 95306.87683757 .00000030 00000-0 40059-4 0 2774 2 23533 98.8365 307.3584 0007533 349.0772 11.0230 14.12709329 31534 Microlab 1 1 23547U 95017C 95303.51871392 .00000272 00000-0 94253-4 0 606 2 23547 69.9790 345.3264 0012012 157.9318 202.2330 14.45432777 30335 OFEQ 3 1 23549U 95018A 95306.77194375 .00023575 00000-0 65433-3 0 1417 2 23549 143.3675 286.9459 0242749 29.6540 331.7729 15.10402063 31908 GFZ-1 1 23558U 86017JE 95306.84238266 .00003949 00000-0 52562-4 0 728 2 23558 51.6524 179.2008 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1995052B 1 23677U 95052B 95306.90509785 .00062769 -20863-6 38227-3 0 310 2 23677 82.9426 67.3300 0379733 349.3040 10.0235 15.18383954 4206 Progress M-29 1 23678U 95053A 95307.12647714 .00004226 00000-0 62065-4 0 295 2 23678 51.6455 181.8479 0003306 280.4019 79.9243 15.57915226 3963 1995053B 1 23679U 95053B 95283.51479976 .10010060 12476-4 42419-3 0 125 2 23679 51.6729 299.9679 0007889 94.0130 42.2228 16.43076460 264 1995054A 1 23680U 95054A 95306.27201729 -.00000129 00000-0 00000+0 0 303 2 23680 3.0427 276.2116 0006614 351.9718 307.5213 1.00276986 182 1995054D 1 23683U 95054D 95285.37956904 -.00000245 00000-0 10000-3 0 28 2 23683 3.1084 276.2352 0018072 357.2443 334.2168 1.00234693 08 1995054E 1 23684U 95054E 95305.89468555 .00002353 00000-0 79940-3 0 130 2 23684 47.4435 269.6266 7286049 5.7217 359.2697 2.26909860 482 1995054F 1 23685U 95054F 95305.93142210 .00000576 00000-0 53593-3 0 112 2 23685 47.5173 269.7128 7268194 5.5983 359.2684 2.26486896 485 1995055A 1 23686U 95055A 95297.84929528 -.00000033 00000-0 00000+0 0 119 2 23686 0.1558 201.6484 0291663 181.4046 321.2305 1.03555544 00 1995055B 1 23687U 95055B 95301.28990252 -.00000167 00000-0 00000+0 0 35 2 23687 4.7598 202.6014 7257737 190.8008 133.3875 2.20181286 190 STS 73 1 23688U 95056A 95307.21971007 .00142886 14123-4 20849-3 0 602 2 23688 39.0118 23.8479 0007351 6.9784 353.1084 16.04274631 2194 1995057A 1 23696U 95057A 95302.29736200 .00000042 00000-0 00000+0 0 132 2 23696 5.2812 322.3842 0216536 180.8696 190.5756 1.00680357 26 1995057B 1 23697U 95057B 95306.12420760 .00006665 00000-0 16878-2 0 62 2 23697 27.0115 317.5332 6717758 183.9442 165.0675 3.01327056 323 1995050C 1 23699U 95050C 95306.04023234 .58323595 -18345-5 94714-3 0 298 2 23699 82.2994 158.4204 0001386 288.2909 71.7199 16.48532632 2135 1995050D 1 23700U 95050D 95303.62359003 .24422139 -15151-5 24061-2 0 238 2 23700 82.2935 161.2627 0007338 328.1838 32.3641 16.38268279 5480 1995050E 1 23701U 95050E 95307.13174957 .01277357 60435-3 51141-2 0 238 2 23701 82.3098 157.7455 0123879 305.3518 53.6640 15.75538524 5974 1995050F 1 23702U 95050F 95307.21911018 .01350132 76825-3 43263-2 0 256 2 23702 82.3088 157.5472 0092864 303.8974 55.3486 15.84207303 5996 1995058A 1 23704U 95058A 95305.62020989 -.00000029 00000-0 10000-4 0 34 2 23704 71.0212 29.4202 0002024 81.7310 278.4471 14.12552991 112 1995058B 1 23705U 95058B 95305.90230737 -.00000047 00000-0 00000+0 0 45 2 23705 71.0116 28.8384 0005509 125.7558 234.4055 14.14135666 156 1995058C 1 23706U 95058C 95306.22635954 -.00000041 00000-0 00000+0 0 35 2 23706 71.0034 28.1654 0201493 68.8878 290.9410 13.71660163 194 1995058D 1 23707U 95058D 95306.22822545 -.00000041 00000-0 00000+0 0 30 2 23707 71.0004 28.1147 0205067 91.2927 271.1670 13.70142415 198 1995058E 1 23708U 95058E 95305.49637701 -.00000041 00000-0 00000+0 0 37 2 23708 71.0525 30.1202 0187536 72.4322 289.7228 13.74255643 132 1995058F 1 23709U 95058F 95306.88244730 -.00000041 00000-0 00000+0 0 49 2 23709 71.0424 27.3301 0199586 96.1566 266.2315 13.72042752 286 -- Dr TS Kelso Adjunct Professor of Space Operations tkelso@afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:19 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 4 Nov 1995 12:00:50 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <47g682$kg2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> Reply-To: gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37253 alt.paranet.ufo:44736 rec.radio.amateur.space:5612 Zeiler: <> Brian, in words of one syllable, have somebody ELSE waste their time telling you that judges, not scientists, "rule" on things. By misuse of that word, you again show you haven't a clue about how science attempts to explicate reality. Stick to economics, where you can bullshit your way around anything, which seems to be your forte. From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:20 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 4 Nov 1995 12:00:50 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <47g682$kg1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> Reply-To: gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37254 alt.paranet.ufo:44737 rec.radio.amateur.space:5613 Zeiler: << Oberg was right because a Navy group of scientists analyzed the footage...>> There you go again, you helpless, hapless naif. Where did Oberg ever say that Navy SCIENTISTS were involved. YOU made up that claim because YOU can't keep your boundless imagination distinguished from hard reality. Oberg said it was Navy analysts, or a Navy team, as I recall, and YOU jumped to the conclusions they were "scientists", and then attributed that misjudgment to Oberg. How many YEARS of practice is it going to take to make you a reliable, rational thinker? The only real scientist who looked at the Tremonton film later was William Hartmann, and from analysis and from examples of bird flight he personally observed, he concluded these were birds. From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:21 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news3.digex.net!usenet From: Jerry Rolape Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC? Date: 4 Nov 1995 12:48:51 GMT Organization: Capital PC User Group Lines: 23 Message-ID: <47fnfj$gjc@news4.digex.net> References: <4708k4$3hd@ddi2.digital.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cpcug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: random@digital.net Suggest you try MultiFAX, they carry a complete line of supplies for weather satellite reception from antennas, pc cards, external modems, radio, etc. I have used their external modem and am compl;etely satisfied, use external as I move out into the field and use notebook computer, scanner and modem runs off 12 vdc... MultiFAX Route 1, Box 27 Peachland, NC 28133 Voice: 704 272-9028 FAX: 704 272-9036 BBS: 716 425-8759 Have a nice day... Jerry R +----------------------------------+ | Jerry from the Nation's Capital | | rolape@cpcug.org | | DC Wine and Arts | | http://cpcug.org/user/rolape | +----------------------------------+ From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:22 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 4 Nov 1995 12:59:20 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <47g9lo$ldl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> Reply-To: jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37257 alt.paranet.ufo:44741 rec.radio.amateur.space:5614 Sure they were birds (IMHO) -- look at all the birdbrains that still are impressed with them. If you want to discuss this further, move it over to alt.alien.visitors where it has always belonged, and stop rampaging through a newsgroup that isn't interested. From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:23 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kc1mn@aol.com (KC1MN) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC? Date: 4 Nov 1995 15:13:08 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <47ghgk$nmf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <47fnfj$gjc@news4.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader I have been using the Multifax card and software for 3 years and am very, very satisfied. Good luck and enjoy whatever you choose. 73, keith From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:25 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!mgate.arrl.org!usenet From: w1aw@arrl.org Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: ARLK059 Keplerian data Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 4 Nov 1995 15:29:04 -0500 Organization: American Radio Relay League Lines: 94 Sender: root@mgate.arrl.org Approved: mtracy@arrl.org Message-ID: <$arlk059.1995@ampr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mgate.arrl.org Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.info:10333 rec.radio.amateur.space:5617 SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK059 ARLK059 Keplerian data ZCZC SK84 QST de W1AW Keplerian Bulletin 59 ARLK059 From ARRL Headquarters Newington, CT November 4, 1995 To all radio amateurs SB KEP ARL ARLK059 ARLK059 Keplerian data Thanks to NASA, AMSAT and WA5QGD for the following Keplerian data. Decode 2-line elsets with the following key: 1 AAAAAU 00 0 0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB .CCCCCCCC 00000-0 00000-0 0 DDDZ 2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM STS-73 1 23688U 95056A 95307.58333333 -.00001730 54681-5 00000+0 0 628 2 23688 39.0130 21.4023 0007249 7.2737 295.9616 16.04283348 2240 STS-74 1 99974U 95315.59818964 .01006020 00000-0 19864-3 0 15 2 99974 51.6456 140.1652 0103509 5.0168 355.2008 16.17694769 25 Mir 1 16609U 86017A 95307.25471847 .00009350 00000-0 12914-3 0 03661 2 16609 51.6464 181.2045 0003301 279.1865 80.8772 15.57927130554631 AO-10 1 14129U 83058B 95301.79734081 -.00000147 00000-0 10000-3 0 03832 2 14129 26.4483 241.3041 5979377 321.7524 8.2043 2.05879727065085 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87054A 95307.08812857 .00000023 00000-0 85070-5 0 1293 2 18129 82.9250 316.4000 0013431 66.2758 293.9801 13.72358256419029 UO-11 1 14781U 84021B 95307.51326635 .00000111 00000-0 26488-4 0 8388 2 14781 97.7871 303.5531 0012931 94.8689 265.3993 14.69393749624365 RS-12/13 1 21089U 91007A 95307.21364728 .00000019 00000-0 41230-5 0 08527 2 21089 82.9229 357.6725 0029474 142.0839 218.2396 13.74061705237863 AO-13 1 19216U 88051B 95304.38706202 .00000239 00000-0 15756-3 0 1038 2 19216 57.4524 155.7574 7338361 22.7620 357.7609 2.09721719 25026 UO-14 1 20437U 90005B 95307.19320215 .00000026 00000-0 26964-4 0 01549 2 20437 98.5617 29.2845 0011043 145.2766 214.9139 14.29901860301614 RS-15 1 23439U 94085A 95307.21947869 -.00000039 00000-0 10000-3 0 01042 2 23439 64.8191 30.1300 0166677 238.4048 120.0511 11.27524743035195 AO-16 1 20439U 90005D 95307.22966712 .00000004 00000-0 18291-4 0 09440 2 20439 98.5733 31.1814 0011125 146.1483 214.0408 14.29956283301631 DO-17 1 20440U 90005E 95307.20442348 .00000033 00000-0 29776-4 0 09446 2 20440 98.5755 31.6827 0011369 145.1551 215.0383 14.30098095301656 WO-18 1 20441U 90005F 95307.18950892 .00000035 00000-0 30440-4 0 09590 2 20441 98.5749 31.6271 0011693 145.9398 214.2537 14.30068695301655 LO-19 1 20442U 90005G 95307.20227432 .00000055 00000-0 38076-4 0 09495 2 20442 98.5765 32.0477 0012183 145.6229 214.5741 14.30173481301674 FO-20 1 20480U 90013C 95307.18869177 -.00000044 00000-0 -16199-4 0 08559 2 20480 99.0646 9.8912 0539920 278.7643 75.2701 12.83231313268773 AO-21 1 21087U 91006A 95307.04570628 .00000094 00000-0 82657-4 0 06509 2 21087 82.9394 129.8254 0036073 117.1251 243.3583 13.74560841238801 UO-22 1 21575U 91050B 95307.19893629 .00000013 00000-0 18665-4 0 06537 2 21575 98.3820 14.9854 0006611 224.8641 135.2008 14.36997477225469 KO-23 1 22077U 92052B 95307.22039726 -.00000037 00000-0 10000-3 0 5329 2 22077 66.0838 304.6718 0001102 14.3229 345.7817 12.86293035151613 KO-25 1 22828U 93061F 95307.19481156 .00000056 00000-0 40059-4 0 04178 2 22828 98.6035 21.7425 0009741 156.7275 203.4339 14.28118008077719 IO-26 1 22826U 93061D 95307.23050775 .00000003 00000-0 18981-4 0 04362 2 22826 98.6077 21.7335 0008632 171.5369 188.5954 14.27785137109613 AO-27 1 22825U 93061C 95307.21701864 .00000009 00000-0 21250-4 0 04348 2 22825 98.6070 21.5981 0007991 170.6835 189.4484 14.27677123109607 PO-28 1 22829U 93061G 95307.20839455 .00000034 00000-0 31229-4 0 04388 2 22829 98.6006 21.7942 0009870 157.3302 202.8313 14.28098533109635 Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW. The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Tuesday, November 7, 1995, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR. NNNN /EX  From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:26 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!relay-4.mail.demon.net From: Michael J Wooding Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: VHF Communications Magazine Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 19:29:11 GMT Organization: None Lines: 26 Message-ID: <665356493wnr@g6iqm.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: vhf-comm@g6iqm.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: relay-4.mail.demon.net X-Broken-Date: Saturday, Nov 04, 1995 19.29.11 X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Hi there, Yes I am afraid its me again - but initiating my own thread!!! I now I cannot compete with HRT - heaven forbid! - but for all those who might be interested we have arrived on the Web! Our Web pages can be found at: http://www.taynet.co.uk/~gdx/ag/vhfcomm.htm Initially our pages are quite simple, in order to guage response etc. So, please let me have your comments (not too unkind please!) and suggestions and I will see what can be done. Even better - how about subscribing!!!!!! 73 ... Mike -- Michael J Wooding vhf-comm@g6iqm.demon.co.uk CompuServe: 100441,377 Tel: (0)1788 890365 Fax: (0)1788 891883 KM Publications, 5 Ware Orchard, Barby, Nr.Rugby, CV23 8UF, UK VHF Communications Magazine - Especially Covering VHF, UHF and Microwaves From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:26 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: kujoes@ix.netcom.com (Donald J. Kujawski ) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Kepler Date: 4 Nov 1995 19:38:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 4 Message-ID: <47gfet$muk@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-phx3-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Nov 04 11:38:05 AM PST 1995 I am trying to up date my itncp which uses kepler. Can anyone help me to locate anywhere I can download kepler? de Don (KB7RME) From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:28 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!rclnews.eng.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: Brian Zeiler Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 4 Nov 1995 20:05:20 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin Lines: 16 Message-ID: <47gh20$mri@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47g682$kg2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: f182-035.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37263 alt.paranet.ufo:44764 rec.radio.amateur.space:5619 gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) wrote: >Zeiler: <> > >Brian, in words of one syllable, have somebody ELSE waste >their time telling you that judges, not scientists, "rule" on >things. By misuse of that word, you again show you haven't >a clue about how science attempts to explicate reality. If that's your best defense for the bird hypothesis, then the case is closed on this newsgroup. Maybe it would make you happy if I said "concluded" or "determined" instead of "ruled". -- Brian Zeiler From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:29 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!rclnews.eng.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: Brian Zeiler Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 4 Nov 1995 20:06:34 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin Lines: 16 Message-ID: <47gh4a$mri@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47g682$kg1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: f182-035.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37264 alt.paranet.ufo:44765 rec.radio.amateur.space:5620 gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) wrote: >Zeiler: << Oberg was right >because a Navy group of scientists analyzed the footage...>> > >There you go again, you helpless, hapless naif. Where did >Oberg ever say that Navy SCIENTISTS were involved. YOU > made up that claim because YOU can't keep your boundless > imagination distinguished from hard reality. Sorry, but Bluebook had scientific consultants. These weren't drill sergeants analyzing films. -- Brian Zeiler From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:30 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov!not-for-mail From: Richard David Glueck Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Kepler Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 21:07:06 -0600 Organization: NASA Spacelink Teacher Resource Center-a service to educators Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <47gfet$muk@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: glue9600@spacelink In-Reply-To: <47gfet$muk@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> X-Disclaimer: Message author is solely responsible for message content. You are refering to Keplerian elements; mathematical descriptions of orbits. Keplerian elelments can usually be picked up off of packet BBS's and from numerous landline BBS's. NASA SPacelink is a good source, as is Compuserve, Celestial, and others. Check out space technology newsgroups on the Internet. ---------- Richard David Glueck Email:glue9600@spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:30 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: niteeye2@aol.com (NITE EYE2) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Need Radio-FT-757 GXII Date: 5 Nov 1995 03:29:04 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <47hskg$52b@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: niteeye2@aol.com (NITE EYE2) Help, I am just starting in the ham world, and wish to buy or trade for an FT 757-GXII... Please email me if you want to sale or trade one, I will trade a brand new night vision unit(cost $685.00) for it. NITE EYE2@aol.com Thanks... From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:31 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.ptd.net!news From: ronemus@postoffice.ptd.net Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cs2-06.str.ptd.net Message-ID: Sender: news@postoffice.ptd.net (News Master) Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47g682$kg1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 07:01:32 GMT Lines: 21 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37270 alt.paranet.ufo:44784 rec.radio.amateur.space:5625 gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) wrote: >Zeiler: << Oberg was right >because a Navy group of scientists analyzed the footage...>> >There you go again, you helpless, hapless naif. Where did >Oberg ever say that Navy SCIENTISTS were involved. YOU > made up that claim because YOU can't keep your boundless > imagination distinguished from hard reality. Oberg said it >was Navy analysts, or a Navy team, as I recall, and YOU >jumped to the conclusions they were "scientists", and then >attributed that misjudgment to Oberg. How many YEARS of > practice is it going to take to make you a reliable, rational >thinker? The only real scientist who looked at the Tremonton >film later was William Hartmann, and from analysis and from >examples of bird flight he personally observed, he concluded >these were birds. I suggest all conclusion jumpers be outfitted with bungee cords at all times. :) From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:32 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.kth.se!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: skrepped@oslonett.no (Jørn Harald S. Andersen) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 5 Nov 1995 11:37:28 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 21 Message-ID: <47i458$rj0@sinsen.oslonett.no> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47g682$kg1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sinsen.oslonett.no Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37286 alt.paranet.ufo:44814 rec.radio.amateur.space:5628 In article <47g682$kg1@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, GK Smiley wrote: >Zeiler: << Oberg was right >because a Navy group of scientists analyzed the footage...>> > >There you go again, you helpless, hapless naif. Where did >Oberg ever say that Navy SCIENTISTS were involved. YOU >made up that claim because YOU can't keep your boundless >imagination distinguished from hard reality. Oberg said it >was Navy analysts, or a Navy team, as I recall, and YOU >jumped to the conclusions they were "scientists", and then >attributed that misjudgment to Oberg .... (snip) Gentlemen, please, please stop this thread now or go away, at least from sci.space.shuttle! Yours sincerely, J. Andersen Norway ( Home of trolls, UFO's etc.) From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:33 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: gufon@ix.netcom.com (Gene Huff) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 5 Nov 1995 14:34:33 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <47ii1p$jto@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47g682$kg2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-lv7-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Nov 05 6:34:33 AM PST 1995 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37280 alt.paranet.ufo:44810 rec.radio.amateur.space:5626 In <47g682$kg2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> gksmiley@aol.com (GK Smiley) writes: > >Zeiler: <> > >Brian, in words of one syllable, have somebody ELSE waste >their time telling you that judges, not scientists, "rule" on >things. -GeeKy, please list the forces which cause you to feel compelled to harrass Brian. He didn't select the "judges" and apparently they were deemed appropriate at the time, for whatever reason. No one would miss you if you stopped responding as no one cares if you're here to begin with. Unless, of course you're speaking for Oberg in which case you should also stop as he's here to answer for himself.- From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:34 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: gufon@ix.netcom.com (Gene Huff) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 5 Nov 1995 14:38:26 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <47ii92$n3o@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47g9lo$ldl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-lv7-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Nov 05 6:38:26 AM PST 1995 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37281 alt.paranet.ufo:44811 rec.radio.amateur.space:5627 In <47g9lo$ldl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) writes: > >Sure they were birds (IMHO) -- look at all the birdbrains that still are impressed with them. -Everyone, that was an attempt at being witty. Officer Oby, you're better at counting your words than providing the accompanying comedy.- From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:35 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!cris.com!rogerh From: rogerh@cris.com (Pete) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC? Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:05:37 LOCAL Organization: Concentric Research Corporation Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <47fnfj$gjc@news4.digex.net> <47ghgk$nmf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crc3-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] >I have been using the Multifax card and software for 3 years and am very, >very satisfied. Good luck and enjoy whatever you choose. 73, keith Just wondering why anyone would use "Multifax" in the advent of the incredible weather servers found on the net? Pete From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:36 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bourkee@aol.com (BourkeE) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: STS-74 Prelaunch KEPS? Date: 6 Nov 1995 12:21:46 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <47lg7a$1ld@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: bourkee@aol.com (BourkeE) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Where can I get pre-launch Keps or two-line data for STS-74??? Bourke Ettling BourkeE@aol.com From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:37 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.uoregon.edu!stallion.jsums.edu!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!usc!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!news00.sunet.se!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!mdsroc.com!news From: donr@mdsroc.com (Don Russ) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC? Date: 6 Nov 1995 14:24:10 GMT Organization: Microwave Data Systems Lines: 20 Message-ID: <47l5qa$iat@mdsroc.com> References: <47fnfj$gjc@news4.digex.net> <47ghgk$nmf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2czl.mdsroc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 In article <47ghgk$nmf@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kc1mn@aol.com says... > >I have been using the Multifax card and software for 3 years and am very, >very satisfied. Good luck and enjoy whatever you choose. 73, keith I have used the multifax card and receiver with excellent results. There are some other systems that do work but not with the same resolution or stability. For the extra bucks you can't go wrong. Try their BBS at: 1-(716) 425-8759 See them at DAYTON. Beware the cheep solution. -- Don Russ Microwave Data Systems, Rochester, NY Advanced Development Engineer a California Microwave Co. N2CZL@WB2PSI.wny.ny.usa.na donr@mdsroc.com From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:38 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!iglou!iglou2!rubenc From: rubenc@iglou2.iglou.com (Charles A. Rubenstein) Subject: WTB: SatTrack IV or Trackbox X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou2.iglou.com Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:26:58 GMT Lines: 15 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:50451 rec.radio.amateur.space:5635 Im looking for a SatTrack IV controller or a TAPR Trackbox for sale. Currently using a SASI Sattracker with tuner for my IC820, but its not supported by WISP. Have a DSP2232 sitting here collecting dust til I get the system set up. Charlie KB8BWE rubenc@iglou.com KB8BWE @ N8LHG.#CIN.OH.USA -- Charlie Rubenstein KB8BWE@N8LHG.#CIN.OH.USA.NA rubenc@iglou.com From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:39 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!cris.com!rogerh From: rogerh@cris.com (Pete) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC? Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:42:03 LOCAL Organization: Concentric Research Corporation Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1995Nov6.205142.18076@schbbs.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crc3-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] >In article , writes: >> Just wondering why anyone would use "Multifax" in the advent of the >incredible >> weather servers found on the net? >> Pete >For me, it has been for the fun and challenge of doing it directly plus the >extra things like color thermal overlays that my software allows me to do that >I could not do with a downloaded image. >73, >Bill W7JSW ok Bill, I can accept that...but...You CAN overlay and enhance any downloaded pic from the net. BTW...IU/Purdue uni has ALL pics from Sat to nexrad etc and many are already enhanced. I guess they took the fun out. :)) Pete From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:10:40 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!iglou!iglou2!rubenc From: rubenc@iglou2.iglou.com (Charles A. Rubenstein) Subject: FS: SASI Sattracker X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou2.iglou.com Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:23:52 GMT Lines: 26 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:50443 rec.radio.amateur.space:5633 I have for sale a SASI SatTracker interface, with the Tuner module for an Icom 820H. This is a cable-type interface which goes from the parallel port of your computer to a Yaesu G5400 rotor box. THe electronics are all inside the connector (parallel connector). WOrks with laptops or desktops as there is no internal board to install in the computer. Includes all software, and cables. WOrks with Instatrack, Nova, Realtrack, etc. Also have the optional Tuner cable for the Icom 820H radio. Includes level converter from RS232 to the rig (this can be used for ANY Icom rig) and all software. Reason for selling this: While it works great, I want to run WISP for digital sats, and it is not supported for WISP. Cost new was over $300.00, will sell all for 225.00, or just the Sattracker without the Tuner option for 200.00. Charlie KB8BWE rubenc@iglou.com KB8BWE@N8LHG.#CIN.OH.USA -- Charlie Rubenstein KB8BWE@N8LHG.#CIN.OH.USA.NA rubenc@iglou.com From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:24 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!mgate.arrl.org!usenet From: w1aw@arrl.org Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: ARLK060 Keplerian data Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 7 Nov 1995 18:15:50 -0500 Organization: American Radio Relay League Lines: 94 Sender: root@mgate.arrl.org Approved: mtracy@arrl.org Message-ID: <$arlk060.1995@ampr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mgate.arrl.org Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.info:10357 rec.radio.amateur.space:5646 SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK060 ARLK060 Keplerian data ZCZC SK85 QST de W1AW Keplerian Bulletin 60 ARLK060 From ARRL Headquarters Newington, CT November 7, 1995 To all radio amateurs SB KEP ARL ARLK060 ARLK060 Keplerian data Thanks to NASA, AMSAT and WA5QGD for the following Keplerian data. Decode 2-line elsets with the following key: 1 AAAAAU 00 0 0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB .CCCCCCCC 00000-0 00000-0 0 DDDZ 2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM STS-74 1 99974U 95315.59818964 .01006020 00000-0 19864-3 0 15 2 99974 51.6456 140.1652 0103509 5.0168 355.2008 16.17694769 25 Mir 1 16609U 86017A 95310.46196231 .00000259 00000-0 10000-4 0 3067 2 16609 51.6462 165.1311 0003314 286.7899 73.2949 15.57977756555138 HST 1 20580U 90037B 95310.14570357 .00000544 00000-0 38676-4 0 07551 2 20580 28.4703 218.5887 0006192 349.5076 10.5377 14.90966120105111 AO-10 1 14129U 83058B 95301.79734081 -.00000147 00000-0 10000-3 0 03832 2 14129 26.4483 241.3041 5979377 321.7524 8.2043 2.05879727065085 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87054A 95310.00445519 .00000057 00000-0 45340-4 0 01557 2 18129 82.9247 314.2437 0013398 59.2414 301.0058 13.72358646419420 UO-11 1 14781U 84021B 95310.03283416 .00000153 00000-0 33583-4 0 08557 2 14781 97.7872 305.9565 0012942 86.9892 273.2794 14.69394968624731 RS-12/13 1 21089U 91007A 95310.19918924 .00000009 00000-0 -71140-5 0 08478 2 21089 82.9230 355.4591 0029767 133.9729 226.3886 13.74061630238271 AO-13 1 19216U 88051B 95309.63206224 -.00000318 00000-0 17766-3 0 01054 2 19216 57.4522 154.7514 7340667 23.1970 357.7462 2.09729545025136 UO-14 1 20437U 90005B 95310.20212331 .00000013 00000-0 21734-4 0 01472 2 20437 98.5616 32.2430 0011169 136.3425 223.8644 14.29902055302044 RS-15 1 23439U 94085A 95310.05768480 -.00000039 00000-0 10000-3 0 00968 2 23439 64.8185 25.5409 0166677 237.9389 120.5243 11.27524663035512 AO-16 1 20439U 90005D 95310.23847234 .00000023 00000-0 25689-4 0 09644 2 20439 98.5731 34.1438 0011346 137.1461 223.0607 14.29956810302060 DO-17 1 20440U 90005E 95310.14296534 .00000031 00000-0 28737-4 0 09373 2 20440 98.5753 34.5768 0011415 136.5027 223.7058 14.30098563302076 WO-18 1 20441U 90005F 95310.19807865 .00000018 00000-0 23846-4 0 09500 2 20441 98.5748 34.5904 0011825 137.0277 223.1829 14.30068932302089 LO-19 1 20442U 90005G 95310.21062432 .00000012 00000-0 21536-4 0 09404 2 20442 98.5765 35.0118 0012343 136.6609 223.5534 14.30173537302100 FO-20 1 20480U 90013C 95310.15139540 -.00000017 00000-0 42389-4 0 08485 2 20480 99.0641 12.2995 0539808 272.0413 81.8977 12.83231706269151 AO-21 1 21087U 91006A 95310.03016520 .00000094 00000-0 82657-4 0 06755 2 21087 82.9388 127.6155 0036460 109.2162 251.2936 13.74560895239218 UO-22 1 21575U 91050B 95310.19301784 .00000026 00000-0 23264-4 0 06475 2 21575 98.3820 17.9019 0006594 215.1754 144.8992 14.36998000225891 KO-23 1 22077U 92052B 95310.09716932 -.00000037 00000-0 10000-3 0 05565 2 22077 66.0831 298.6482 0001296 11.2702 348.8345 12.86293104151989 KO-25 1 22828U 93061F 95310.20748689 -.00000004 00000-0 15822-4 0 04120 2 22828 98.6033 24.7094 0009923 147.4766 212.7020 14.28117957078146 IO-26 1 22826U 93061D 95310.17380528 .00000008 00000-0 21060-4 0 04504 2 22826 98.6072 24.6312 0008739 162.5848 197.5635 14.27785433110038 AO-27 1 22825U 93061C 95310.16053817 .00000036 00000-0 32465-4 0 04489 2 22825 98.6070 24.4970 0008136 161.4928 198.6549 14.27677623110027 PO-28 1 22829U 93061G 95310.15104656 .00000042 00000-0 34537-4 0 04287 2 22829 98.6014 24.6941 0010097 148.5138 211.6649 14.28098955110053 Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW. The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Saturday, November 11, 1995, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR. NNNN /EX From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:25 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!mgate.arrl.org!usenet From: w1aw@arrl.org Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 10 Nov 1995 20:24:46 -0500 Organization: American Radio Relay League Lines: 44 Sender: root@mgate.arrl.org Approved: mtracy@arrl.org Message-ID: <$arls022.1995@ampr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mgate.arrl.org Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.info:10367 rec.radio.amateur.space:5674 SB SPACE @ ARL $ARLS022 ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed ZCZC AS02 QST de W1AW Space Bulletin 022 ARLS022 From ARRL Headquarters Newington, CT November 10, 1995 To all radio amateurs SB SPACE ARL ARLS022 ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed Space Shuttle mission STS-74 is scheduled for lift-off at 1255 UTC on Saturday, November 11, with all five crew members holding Amateur Radio licenses. NASA astronaut James Halsell, KC5RNI, and Canadian Space Agency astronaut Chris Hadfield, KC5RNJ, both received their licenses in recent days, and both plan to participate in Shuttle Amateur Radio EXperiment (SAREX) activities during the STS-74 mission. Halsell is the shuttle's pilot, and Hadfield is a mission specialist. Shuttle Atlantis's commander for STS-74 is Ken Cameron, KB5AWP, who used Amateur Radio from Atlantis during STS-37 in April 1991 and from Discovery during STS-56 in April 1993. This will be the third mission Cameron has flown where the entire crew are licensed radio amateurs. Other STS-74 crew members are Mission Specialist Jerry Ross, N5SCW, who was also a member of STS-37, and who operated ham radio aboard the STS-55 Columbia mission in April/May 1993; and Mission Specialist Bill McArthur, KC5ACR, who used ham radio aboard Columbia during STS-58 in October/November 1993. For more information on the SAREX program, visit the SAREX home page on the World Wide Web at http://www.nasa.gov/sarex/sarexmainpage.html NNNN /EX From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:26 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.rccn.net!ciup2.ncc.up.pt!news.uminho.pt!newsadm From: Luis Miguel Nunes Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Epoch Time ? Date: 10 Nov 1995 16:54:30 GMT Organization: Universidade da Beira Interior Lines: 11 Message-ID: <480046$6dh@icaro.uminho.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha2.ubi.pt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; OSF1 V2.0 alpha) X-URL: news:rec.radio.amateur.space#47li5c$gha@icaro.uminho.pt Please, I need to know what is the meaning of the numbers that are in the epoch time in the kep data in the Amsat format. I need to introduce this elements in quicktrack 4.0, but the format is not the same. Does anyone know a good free software (for windows), for tracking and communications. Thanks Answer by mail Luis From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:27 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!serv.HiNet.net!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dcimp@aol.com (DCimp) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: fed Log Date: 10 Nov 1995 08:42:11 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <47vkrj$kov@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dcimp@aol.com (DCimp) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Anyone know where I can get a copy of "Fed Log"? From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:28 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!paperboy.ids.net!pslip249b.egr-ri.ids.net!user From: rmw@ids.net (Ryan M Williams) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: hmmm Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 19:26:24 -0500 Organization: Home Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pslip249b.egr-ri.ids.net *NEW* Amateur Radio Link BBS @ 401-885-3074 Includes: FidoNet, Usenet InterNet EMail, HAM-Net File Distribution, & 2000 files available Online! -- -R.M.Williams RMW@ids.net Check out my *NEW* Web Page http://ids.net/~rmw/news.html *NEW* Amateur Radio Link BBS @ 401-885-3074 Includes: FidoNet, Usenet InterNet EMail, HAM-Net File Distribution, & 2000 files available Online! From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:29 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.onramp.net!news.tcst.com!op.net!news.fyionline.com!news-out.internetmci.com!internetMCI!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!rnzll3!sys3.pe1chl!rob From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) Subject: Re: Kepler Reply-To: pe1chl@wab-tis.rabobank.nl Organization: PE1CHL Message-ID: References: <47gfet$muk@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:09:47 GMT Lines: 13 In <47gfet$muk@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> kujoes@ix.netcom.com (Donald J. Kujawski ) writes: >I am trying to up date my itncp which uses kepler. Can anyone help me >to locate anywhere I can download kepler? On 'archive.afit.af.mil' (129.92.1.66) in /pub/space Rob -- +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Rob Janssen rob@knoware.nl | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org | | e-mail: pe1chl@wab-tis.rabobank.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU | +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:29 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cirrus.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!olivea!decwrl!pacbell.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news1.ucsd.edu!news-mail-gateway From: fred@zygon.COM (Fred Stirling) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Learning Machine! Date: 9 Nov 95 17:48:37 GMT Organization: ucsd usenet gateway Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu From: Fred Sterling To: Fellow Net Traveler RE: The Learning Machine Takes You Beyond Virtual Reality http://Zygon.com Amazing!! If you have a moment check out a new web site http://Zygon.com. They have an incredible new multi-media technology that uses a special digital earning foreign languages, and programming my subconscious for success. And you can even read books with your eyes closed. Pretty awesome. The company Fred Sterling From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:30 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ncar!uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!onyx.indstate.edu!scifac.indstate.edu!pmedward From: pmedward@scifac.indstate.edu (pmusers) Subject: Re: Looking for the email addresses of Arthur C. Clark Message-ID: Lines: 17 Sender: news@onyx.indstate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: 139.102.72.30 Organization: Indiana State University References: <47c6vu$i7a@Oak.IC.Mankato.MN.US> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:51:39 GMT In article <47c6vu$i7a@Oak.IC.Mankato.MN.US> @ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name) writes: >From: @ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name) >Subject: Looking for the email addresses of Arthur C. Clark >Date: 3 Nov 1995 04:49:02 GMT >Friends, I am looking for the email address of Prof. Arthur C. Clark >(Father of telecommunication satellites) and Stallinger (Author of the >book "Computer Communications".) >Please inform me at my email address goli@ic.mankato.mn.usa. > >Thank you, >Goli. uhmm try ACClark@heaven.com 'sorry couldn't resist From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:31 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!sun4nl!rnzll3!sys3.pe1chl!rob From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) Subject: Re: Looking for the email addresses of Arthur C. Clark Reply-To: pe1chl@wab-tis.rabobank.nl Organization: PE1CHL Message-ID: References: <47c6vu$i7a@Oak.IC.Mankato.MN.US> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:27:03 GMT Lines: 29 In pmedward@scifac.indstate.edu (pmusers) writes: >In article <47c6vu$i7a@Oak.IC.Mankato.MN.US> @ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name) writes: >>From: @ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name) >>Subject: Looking for the email addresses of Arthur C. Clark >>Date: 3 Nov 1995 04:49:02 GMT >>Friends, I am looking for the email address of Prof. Arthur C. Clark >>(Father of telecommunication satellites) and Stallinger (Author of the >>book "Computer Communications".) >>Please inform me at my email address goli@ic.mankato.mn.usa. >> >>Thank you, >>Goli. >uhmm try >ACClark@heaven.com >'sorry couldn't resist Do you think this is a good joke? To the best of my knowledge, Arthur C. Clark is alive and well. Rob -- +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Rob Janssen rob@knoware.nl | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org | | e-mail: pe1chl@wab-tis.rabobank.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU | +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:32 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.eznet.net!news.enterprise.net!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!emi.com!crier.knighted.com!knighted.com!yingst From: yingst@knighted.com (Harry Yingst) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Mods for Icom IC-736 Date: 9 Nov 1995 23:50:42 GMT Organization: Knighted Computers Lines: 56 Message-ID: <47u44i$les@crier.knighted.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: knighted.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does anyone have any mods for the ICOM IC-736? I'm looking for a way to turn the pre-amp back on below 1.6 Mhz. Icom turns it off even though it the light says it's on. I would like to listen for some lowfer stations 1750 meter band (160-190 kc. 1 watt into a 50 ft antenna). I'm also looking for a way to improve the recieve audio. The recieve audio sounds flat and distant, lacking highs & lows. With the notch filter ON the audio sounds a little better, but it still could use some improvement. They re-shape the audio through the notch filter, and it actually has a nicer sound with the notch filter on (Has more highs & lows). I had a IC-737 that had the same problem with the audio, just not sounding quite right. I am also interested in any other mods for the Icom IC-736. Please send any replies to yingst@knighted.com Note: If you post a reply into this newsgroup I proably wont get it, my internet provider only holds news for 1 day. Thank You. Harry N6VUJ From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:34 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!dont-send-mail-to-path-lines From: Richard Langley Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis,rec.aviation.misc,rec.boats,rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.electronics,sci.engr.surveying,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.space.news Subject: Navstar GPS Constellation Status (95-11-08) Followup-To: sci.space.policy Date: 9 Nov 1995 10:31:42 -0800 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 90 Sender: daemon@news.arc.nasa.gov Approved: sci-space-news@ames.arc.nasa.gov Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: news.arc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: lang@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca Xref: news.epix.net comp.infosystems.gis:39120 rec.aviation.misc:39839 rec.boats:96642 rec.radio.amateur.space:5659 sci.electronics:158983 sci.engr.surveying:838 sci.geo.satellite-nav:12204 sci.space.news:7839 Navstar GPS Constellation Status (95-11-08) Blk NORAD Orbit Launch II PRN Internat. Catalog Plane Date Seq SVN Code ID Number Pos'n (UT) Clock Available/Decommissioned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Block I 01 04 1978-020A 10684 78-02-22 78-03-29 85-07-17 02 07 1978-047A 10893 78-05-13 78-07-14 81-07-16 03 06 1978-093A 11054 78-10-06 78-11-13 92-05-18 04 08 1978-112A 11141 78-12-10 79-01-08 89-10-14 05 05 1980-011A 11690 80-02-09 80-02-27 83-11-28 06 09 1980-032A 11783 80-04-26 80-05-16 91-03-06 07 81-12-18 Launch failure 08 11 1983-072A 14189 83-07-14 83-08-10 93-05-04 09 13 1984-059A 15039 84-06-13 84-07-19 94-06-20 10 12 1984-097A 15271 A-1 84-09-08 Rb 84-10-03 11 03 1985-093A 16129 85-10-09 85-10-30 94-04-13 Block II II-1 14 14 1989-013A 19802 E-1 89-02-14 Cs 89-04-15 05:02 UT II-2 13 02 1989-044A 20061 B-3 89-06-10 Cs 89-08-10 20:46 UT II-3 16 16 1989-064A 20185 E-3 89-08-18 Cs 89-10-14 20:21 UT II-4 19 19 1989-085A 20302 A-4 89-10-21 Rb 89-11-23 03:13 UT II-5 17 17 1989-097A 20361 D-3 89-12-11 Cs 90-01-06 03:30 UT II-6 18 18 1990-008A 20452 F-3 90-01-24 Cs 90-02-14 22:26 UT II-7 20 20 1990-025A 20533 B-2 90-03-26 Rb 90-04-18 23:13 UT II-8 21 21 1990-068A 20724 E-2 90-08-02 Cs 90-08-22 15:00 UT II-9 15 15 1990-088A 20830 D-2 90-10-01 Cs 90-10-15 00:39 UT Block IIA II-10 23 23 1990-103A 20959 E-4 90-11-26 Cs 90-12-10 23:45 UT II-11 24 24 1991-047A 21552 D-1 91-07-04 Rb 91-08-30 04:44 UT II-12 25 25 1992-009A 21890 A-2 92-02-23 Cs 92-03-24 11:00 UT II-13 28 28 1992-019A 21930 C-2 92-04-10 Cs 92-04-25 20:32 UT II-14 26 26 1992-039A 22014 F-2 92-07-07 Cs 92-07-23 19:43 UT II-15 27 27 1992-058A 22108 A-3 92-09-09 Cs 92-09-30 20:08 UT II-16 32 01 1992-079A 22231 F-1 92-11-22 Rb 92-12-11 14:49 UT II-17 29 29 1992-089A 22275 F-4 92-12-18 Cs 93-01-05 16:39 UT II-18 22 22 1993-007A 22446 B-1 93-02-03 Cs 93-04-04 05:20 UT II-19 31 31 1993-017A 22581 C-3 93-03-30 Rb 93-04-13 20:53 UT II-20 37 07 1993-032A 22657 C-4 93-05-13 Cs 93-06-12 16:15 UT II-21 39 09 1993-042A 22700 A-1 93-06-26 Cs 93-07-20 12:54 UT II-22 35 05 1993-054A 22779 B-4 93-08-30 Cs 93-09-28 19:29 UT II-23 34 04 1993-068A 22877 D-4 93-10-26 Cs 93-11-22 18:20 UT II-24 36 06 1994-016A 23027 C-1 94-03-10 Cs 94-03-28 14:20 UT Notes ----- 1. NORAD Catalog Number is also known as U.S. Space Command (USSPACECOM) object number and NASA catalog number. 2. No orbital plane position = satellite no longer operational. 3. Clock: Rb = Rubidium; Cs = Cesium. 4. Selective Availability (S/A) had been enabled on Block II satellites during part of 1990; S/A off between about 10 August 1990 and 1 July 1991 due to Gulf crisis; standard level re-implemented on 15 November 1991; occasionally off for test and other purposes. Currently, PRN15 and PRN28 appear to have little or no S/A imposed. 5. Anti-spoofing (A-S) was activated on 94-01-31 at 00:00 UT on all Block II satellites (ref. NANU 050-94042); occasionally off for test and other purposes. A-S was turned off on all satellites at 20:00 UT on 95-04-19 and back on on 95-05-10; off again between 95-06-19 and 95-07-10; and between 95-10-10 and 95-10-31. A-S has been off on PRN28 since 95-02-21. 6. PRN number of SVN32 was changed from 32 to 01 on 93-01-28. 7. PRN05 and PRN06 are equipped with corner-cube reflectors for satellite laser ranging (SLR). SLR tracking of the satellites will permit onboard clock errors and satellite ephemeris errors in GPS tracking to be differentiated. 8. The decommissioning date for PRN06/SVN03 is the date of termination of operations of this satellite (ref. USNO) and is about 3 weeks later than other published dates for "deactivation". 9. PRN12 is in declining health, primarily due to power supply problems. It will be decommissioned within the next year. Before it is disposed of, the satellite will undergo a period of end-of-life testing to help the Air Force Space Command (AFSC) develop better ways to operate future GPS satellites. 10. The AFSC Constellation Status Assessment Team has recommended that the next launch, into the C-plane, be made in April 1996. compiled by: =============================================================================== Richard B. Langley Internet: LANG@UNB.CA or SE@UNB.CA Geodetic Research Laboratory BITnet: LANG@UNB or SE@UNB Dept. of Geodesy and Geomatics Engineering Phone: (506) 453-5142 University of New Brunswick FAX: (506) 453-4943 Fredericton, N.B., Canada E3B 5A3 Telex: 014-46202 Fredericton? Where's that? See: http://degaulle.hil.unb.ca/NB/fredericton.html =============================================================================== From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:36 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!sislnews.csc.ti.com!usenet From: mbv@ti.com (Ken Durham) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 7 Nov 1995 22:28:54 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 20 Message-ID: <47omj6$56q@superb.csc.ti.com> References: <47f3bi$110c@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47g682$kg1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <47i458$rj0@sinsen.oslonett.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: kend.sc.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37338 alt.paranet.ufo:44933 rec.radio.amateur.space:5644 >~~~~~~~~~~~> >Gentlemen, please, please stop this thread now or go away, >at least from sci.space.shuttle! > >Yours sincerely, > >J. Andersen >Norway ( Home of trolls, UFO's etc.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J., They don't even know that they are responding to the post on more than one newsgroup. The header never changes from the first posting. I have been seeing this thread on rec.radio.amateur.space and three other newsgroups for days now. No one seems to know that the newsgroup header can be edited and addressed only to the newsgroup that they read when posting a response. Please give us a break guys. *Edit your headers* Ken mbv@ti.com From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:37 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.Edu.TW!nctuccca.edu.tw!serv.HiNet.net!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: Brian Zeiler Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 7 Nov 1995 19:41:51 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin Lines: 17 Message-ID: <47ocpv$1oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <479l71$15pi@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47chb2$295@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <47dao7$blg@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: f180-041.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37340 alt.paranet.ufo:44936 rec.radio.amateur.space:5645 sranta@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) wrote: >I concur with the above retort however, I have never been so inebreatied >as to believe that a seagull was anything other than a seagull. I would >suspect a seagull U.F.O. viewer would never live that one down. I would suspect the same, but it wasn't a seagull. USAF and Navy research conclusively ruled out birds, balloons, aircraft, and everything else, and also ruled that the objects were self-luminescent (this film was from 1950). But a CIA panel convened to debunk UFOs decided in their 12-hour examination of the evidence that the objects couldn't go without explanation. So they were birds. It is modern skeptic myth. -- Brian Zeiler From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:38 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.accessone.com!ghansen.accessone.com!ghansen From: ghansen@accessone.com (Glenn Hansen) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:53:39 GMT Organization: .tacoma.link Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <479l71$15pi@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47chb2$295@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <47dao7$blg@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <47ocpv$1oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ghansen.accessone.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37388 alt.paranet.ufo:45057 rec.radio.amateur.space:5663 PLEASE REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. That says it all. Please give us some relief form the UFO barage here in rec.radio.amateur.space. It is a great waste of bandwidth. When you post a reply please, I SHOUT PLEASE, look up at the top of the page where it says Newsgroups. These are all the places your UFO stuff is going to. We at rec.radio.amateur.space are not interested. Please be kind and remove us. Thanks grh From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:38 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!hermes.is.co.za!news.pix.za!usenet From: Danie Brynard Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re AO-13 400bps psk Date: 7 Nov 1995 04:45:08 GMT Organization: PiX - Proxima information X-change Lines: 7 Message-ID: <47mo8k$1r2@foible.pix.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: net-3.pta.pix.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) I am looking for any information on the 400bps PSK modem beacon on AO-13. Does somebody perhaps have a scanned file of one of the articles that were published in the magazines a few years ago ? Danie From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:40 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!usenet From: Tom Clark Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Re AO-13 400bps psk Date: 8 Nov 1995 06:12:32 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <47phog$12r@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <47mo8k$1r2@foible.pix.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: vlbi.gsfc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 32bit) Danie Brynard wrote: >I am looking for any information on the 400bps PSK modem beacon on >AO-13. Does somebody perhaps have a scanned file of one of the >articles that were published in the magazines a few years ago ? > >Danie The best source for such material is AMSAT's ftp file server: ftp://ftp.amsat.org which is also pointed to by AMSAT's WWW site http://www.amsat.org 73 de Tom, W3IWI From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:40 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!i2unix!news From: I121171@amsat.org Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: RS robot QSL info please Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 20:54:25 win Lines: 6 Message-ID: <47r5gl$hi4@sgi.iunet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.106.2.189 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Please again, what is the QSL info for RS robots contacts ? Help ! Thanks in advance. Maurice in Italy I121171@amsat.org From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:41 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.ibernet.es!news.encomix.es!mol.es!ea7azh Subject: SEEK SAT ANTENNA Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space From: ea7azh@mol.es Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 03:00:08 CET Message-ID: <804161483401@mol.es> Organization: Madrid Online - Spain Lines: 21 Hello and thanks for read this. I' need information about the 'M2' antenna made in FRESNO (California) This antenna is a circular pol. dipole for VHF or UHF HAM bands and I Can't find it in Spain. If you Know the address fom this antenna, please send me full information by e-mail. 73's. EA7AZH (Carmelo) ea7azh@mol.es -- --****ATTENTION****--*****---"MADRID ONLINE"---*****ATTENTION****-- For information write to: info@mol.es Please, report inappropiate use to: abuse@mol.es If you have any problems, address them to: admin@mol.es From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:42 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!oronet!news From: rst-engr@oro.net (Jim Weir) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 04:53:37 GMT Organization: RST Engineering Lines: 21 Message-ID: <47moqn$nt4@hg.oro.net> References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net> <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com> <1995Nov1.154312.2097@nb.rockwell.com> <1995Nov6.012659.19157@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: rst-engr.oro.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37327 alt.paranet.ufo:44912 rec.radio.amateur.space:5638 >More data points would allow us to extrapolate a curve, but >one data point tells us almost nothing. All it says is that >intelligent life is *possible*, but says nothing about whether >it is a 1 in 10^100 fluke, or a 1 to 1 dead certainty. >Gary And upon what premise, sir, do you base your assumption that there is life on Earth? Jim Weir VP Engineering | "We seem to be standing on RST Engineering | the foreskin of technology." Grass Valley CA 95945 | (Gen Chuck Yeager) voice/fax 916/272-1432 | rst-engr@oro.net AR Adv WB6BHI CFI A&G/Comml Inst A&G/A&P/C-182A N73CQ From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:43 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!orcinus From: orcinus@netcom.com (Orca) Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net> <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com> <1995Nov1.154312.2097@nb.rockwell.com> <1995Nov6.012659.19157@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> <47moqn$nt4@hg.oro.net> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:19:59 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: orcinus@netcom3.netcom.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37336 alt.paranet.ufo:44926 rec.radio.amateur.space:5642 Jim Weir (rst-engr@oro.net) wrote: : >More data points would allow us to extrapolate a curve, but : >one data point tells us almost nothing. All it says is that : >intelligent life is *possible*, but says nothing about whether : >it is a 1 in 10^100 fluke, or a 1 to 1 dead certainty. : >Gary : And upon what premise, sir, do you base your assumption that there is : life on Earth? Oh, there is life ... but is there *intelligent* life? :^) -- --- \|/ \|/ * * \_ _____--------. .--------_____ _/ == __ o__| |__o __ == ----//---' `---\\---- From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:45 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!braintree!news.concourse.com!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!rclnews.eng.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sesqui.net!nb.rockwell.com!engr04.comsys.rockwell.com!MANFREDI From: manfredi@engr04.comsys.rockwell.com (Albert E. Manfredi) Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Message-ID: <1995Nov7.193317.10289@nb.rockwell.com> Sender: news@nb.rockwell.com Reply-To: manfredi@engr04.comsys.rockwell.com Organization: Rockwell Defense Electronics - Collins References: <46lddi$5bl@asia.lm.com> <46t1ha$b89@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4720b0$9ve@news.infi.net> <475amr$6pi@unogate.unocal.com> <476djm$4ib@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>,, Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:33:17 GMT Lines: 47 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37372 alt.paranet.ufo:44992 rec.radio.amateur.space:5652 In article , cas@ops1.bwi.wec.com (Bob Casanova) writes: >Belief is outside the purview of science. You can believe that the probability >of life is large, small, or anything in between, but the only real data you >have comes from the solar system, and specifically from this planet. The fact >that the same elements are present throughout the observable universe does >*not* mean that the same results occurred everywhere, or even anywhere. Like >you, I believe that life almost certainly exists elsewhere, but I refuse to >try to justify that belief by attempting to generate probabilities from >insufficient data. Since we have only speculation regarding the origin of life >here, there is no way we can project events here on to the universe at large. In the absence of real evidence of life elsewhere, of course, all one can do is speculate. It's not wrong to speculate; it's not even "unscientific." In fact, it's what leads to exploration. I have four items to offer with respect to this issue: 1. We know that life on earth happened. Therefore we know that the probability of life forming is greater than 0. But we do not know of any limit to the size of the universe. So, speculating, we have a non- zero probability of life forming and a virtually limitless number of samples out there (i.e. "opportunities"). Makes it seem almost ludicrous to be pessimistic about this. 2. We know that chemical reactions happen elsewhere just as they do here. I mean, for instance, our sun does not operate on principles that are in any way unique. Nor are meteorological phenomena different here from what they are in other planets we know about. So that's more evidence that this solar system and planet are hardly going to end up being the unique one among trillions. 3. We know that water exists elsewhere in the universe (e.g. in comets), so that important ingredient is not unique to Earth. 4. And finally, to me this is a little bit like picking up a grain of sand on one beach, just one grain, and swearing that _this_ grain is fundamentally different from all other grains of sand in every beach on earth. Failing chemical analysis of even a single other grain, I suppose one might wonder if it were true. But most reasonable people would _speculate_ that bullshit, this grain is probably very similar to zillions of others. Bert manfredi@engr05.comsys.rockwell.com From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:47 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.midplains.net!gw2.att.com!oucsboss!oak.cats.ohiou.edu!ax823092 From: ax823092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Anthony John Xenos) Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO X-Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.cats.ohiou.edu Message-ID: Sender: postmaster@oak.cats.ohiou.edu X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu Nov 9 21:14:28 1995 Organization: Ohio University, Athens Ohio, USA Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:14:29 GMT Lines: 78 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37390 alt.paranet.ufo:45065 rec.radio.amateur.space:5665 The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible, and the universe is big) is ridiculous. Think about the beach analogy. Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on. You reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime. Would you assume that the beach was made of dimes? Of course not. You could only begin to draw any type of conclusion if you started thinking about a number of possiblities. Granted, where astronomy is concerned these must be ROUGH estimates. But a margin of error of any less 50% gets us closer to the answer of a yes/no question. If the best estimates yield a prediction of between 50 and 100,000,000 other planets with life (made-up numbers) 50 being the extreme conservative number, we've got an answer. I am reminded of a gentleman who knew the letter if not the spirit of statistics. He read one day before making a trip by plane that the probability of of someone bringing a bomb onto a plane was 1:250,000. While this was low, he wasn't satified. He brought his own bomb on the trip, certain that the probability of there being TWO bombs on the plane was 1:62,500,000,000--a much safer risk. >In article , cas@ops1.bwi.wec.com (Bob Casan >ova) writes: > >>Belief is outside the purview of science. You can believe that the probability > >>of life is large, small, or anything in between, but the only real data you >>have comes from the solar system, and specifically from this planet. The fact >>that the same elements are present throughout the observable universe does >>*not* mean that the same results occurred everywhere, or even anywhere. Like >>you, I believe that life almost certainly exists elsewhere, but I refuse to >>try to justify that belief by attempting to generate probabilities from >>insufficient data. Since we have only speculation regarding the origin of life > >>here, there is no way we can project events here on to the universe at large. > >In the absence of real evidence of life elsewhere, of course, all one can >do is speculate. It's not wrong to speculate; it's not even "unscientific." >In fact, it's what leads to exploration. > >I have four items to offer with respect to this issue: > >1. We know that life on earth happened. Therefore we know that the >probability of life forming is greater than 0. But we do not know of >any limit to the size of the universe. So, speculating, we have a non- >zero probability of life forming and a virtually limitless number of >samples out there (i.e. "opportunities"). Makes it seem almost ludicrous >to be pessimistic about this. > >2. We know that chemical reactions happen elsewhere just as they do here. >I mean, for instance, our sun does not operate on principles that are in >any way unique. Nor are meteorological phenomena different here from >what they are in other planets we know about. So that's more evidence that >this solar system and planet are hardly going to end up being the unique >one among trillions. > >3. We know that water exists elsewhere in the universe (e.g. in comets), >so that important ingredient is not unique to Earth. > > >4. And finally, to me this is a little bit like picking up a grain of >sand on one beach, just one grain, and swearing that _this_ grain is >fundamentally different from all other grains of sand in every beach >on earth. Failing chemical analysis of even a single other grain, I >suppose one might wonder if it were true. But most reasonable people >would _speculate_ that bullshit, this grain is probably very similar to >zillions of others. > >Bert >manfredi@engr05.comsys.rockwell.com -- -- Tony Xenos Craig A. Butz 10 Hocking Street 2498 Mineral Road Athens, Ohio 45701 New Marshfield, Ohio 45766-9747 From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:47 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!usc!newshub.cts.com!crash!garym From: garym@crash.cts.com (Gary Morris) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-74 Prelaunch KEPS? Date: 10 Nov 95 14:27:56 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <47lg7a$1ld@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crash-i2.cts.com In <47lg7a$1ld@newsbf02.news.aol.com> bourkee@aol.com (BourkeE) writes: >Where can I get pre-launch Keps or two-line data for STS-74??? I haven't seen any released yet, but when they are you can get them from ftp: ftp.cts.com dir: pub/garym/elements or --GaryM From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:48 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!ccnet.com!usenet From: rbickel@ccnet.com (Robert Bickel) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: TS-790A vs.FT-736R Date: 9 Nov 1995 06:06:01 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <47s5o9$m71@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.215.96.124 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 I think I've noticed that most Oscar operators use the Yaesu FT-736R with the Kenwood TS-790A being almost universally rejected as a satellite rig.Can anyone explain why?.I'm sure its got to be some feature thats just not quite right with the Kenwood. Thanks for your comments. Robert KO6PL From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:49 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary From: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: TS-790A vs.FT-736R Message-ID: <1995Nov9.193352.8389@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems References: <47s5o9$m71@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:33:52 GMT Lines: 26 In article <47s5o9$m71@ccnet2.ccnet.com> rbickel@ccnet.com (Robert Bickel) writes: >I think I've noticed that most Oscar operators use the Yaesu FT-736R with the Kenwood >TS-790A being almost universally rejected as a satellite rig.Can anyone explain why?.I'm >sure its got to be some feature thats just not quite right with the Kenwood. >Thanks for your comments. >Robert KO6PL The TS-790A has several *glaring* faults, but the worst one for satellite use is that you can't use the narrow filters in the subband receiver. That's the receiver you *use* when listening to the satellite because you're transmitting on the main band unit. Major oops! Also, to make it track tune in sat mode, you have to *hold the SAT button in*, major oops. And the thermal design really sucks, the 70cm output module gets *very* hot under normal use. The main unit receiver is pretty good, but *you don't use it* for satellite. The FT-736R is a bit long in the tooth, and can't do independent dual band receive, but for satellite use it is still the champ. It works the way you *need* it to work. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:50 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!newshub.cts.com!usenet From: forsberg@cts.com (Bruce W. Forsberg) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc Subject: Updated Dove Sat. Decoder FREEWARE Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 05:28:28 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <47pf5a$s9j@news2.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: forsberg.cts.com Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.space:5647 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94018 I have just come out with a new version of my DOVE satellite decoder program (V2.0). It will decode the telemetry data that comes from the DOVE amateur radio satellite. In this release are numerous bug fixes and some new graphing capabilities. It requires windows 3.1, a packet TNC and a 2 meter rig. This program is FREEWARE and is available from the following sources: Internet FTP ftp.amsat.org /amsat/software/windows/telemetry/dovedv20.zip RadioSport BBS 619-279-3921 dovedv20.zip Mail In the US and Canada send $1 and I'll provide disk, mailer, and postage. Please specifiy disk size (5.25, 3.5) and send to: Bruce Forsberg 11178 Batavia Circle San Diego, CA. 92126 From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:51 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!sislnews.csc.ti.com!usenet From: mbv@ti.com (Ken Durham) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT ALL THE UFO POSTING ON THIS NEWSGROUP? Date: 9 Nov 1995 14:37:47 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 7 Message-ID: <47t3nr$kao@superb.csc.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kend.sc.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Does anyone know if there is a way to get these guys to edit their newsgroup header so that the responses to the SPAMED post don't end up here and in sci.space.shuttle instead of just in alt.paranet.ufo? Can an administrator somewhere filter out this junk? Ken K5MBV mbv@ti.com From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:52 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!io.org!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!lancelot.dowco.com!NewsWatcher!user From: ve7zvz@dowco.com (Scott Leaf) Subject: Re: WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT ALL THE UFO POSTING ON THIS NEWSGROUP? Sender: news@dowco.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:34:19 GMT References: <47t3nr$kao@superb.csc.ti.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 206.12.26.44 Organization: Mountain DX Club VA7SM Lines: 17 In article <47t3nr$kao@superb.csc.ti.com>, mbv@ti.com (Ken Durham) wrote: -> Does anyone know if there is a way to get these guys to edit their -> newsgroup header so that the responses to the SPAMED post don't -> end up here and in sci.space.shuttle instead of just in alt.paranet.ufo? -> Can an administrator somewhere filter out this junk? -> -> Ken K5MBV mbv@ti.com Get a Newsreader program with a "Kill" file and or learn how to use the one you already have to kill threads that you find offensive then you will not have to play censor for the rest of us. -- Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ ve7zvz@dowco.com Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:54 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: Carl Gregory Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: WinOrbit 2.7 (tracking software) available Date: 7 Nov 1995 18:12:22 GMT Organization: Univ. of Illinois / Biomedical Magnetic Resonance Lab Lines: 108 Message-ID: <47o7i6$67b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnet.beckman.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news:rec.radio.amateur.space The latest version of WinOrbit (2.7) is now available on oak.oakland.edu and ftp.amsat.org. It may be available soon on ftp.seds.org, also. This program is free (although a plug for donations to the AMSAT Phase IIID program is included). A description of changes, and an overview of the program, are given below: New Features in version 2.7 --------------------------- * Full state vector information (including velocity components) in both EFG and ECI coordinate systems. Import state vector files. * Alternate satellite information databases such as "The Satellite Encyclopedia" may now be accessed directly. * "Phase" information group in the Info Window is now the "Orbit" group, and includes the Squint Angle. * Crude calculation of spacecraft antenna and observer antenna pattern loss. Groundplane, turnstile, isotropic, and steerable antennas are supported. * New window arrangement option: "Stack", in the Window Menu. * The lines of latitude and longitude can now be turned off to create cleaner maps for export. * Improved timekeeping for real time mode on slow computers. Bug fixes in 2.7 ---------------- * Orbit number (Rev) and Mean Anomaly (MA) now updated properly with SGP/SGP4 models. * Updating of Keplerian Elements with SGP/SGP4 models improved. * Fixed crash when Sun or Moon selected while using non-USA date formats. * Fixed bug preventing proper element update after propagation to specified epoch. Program Overview ---------------- WinOrbit is a program for computing artificial Earth-satellite position and visibility, with the Amateur Radio satellite operator in mind. It was written for the Microsoft Windows 3.1 operating system. WinOrbit is free (not shareware). The latest version is 2.7. The principal feature of the program is a series of tracking windows, one per satellite, which display the current position of the satellite and the observer on a simple world map, together with information such as footprint, past ground track, bearing (azimuth), distance, and elevation above the observer's horizon. Additional features include: * Simultaneous tracking of up to 20 satellites. * Sun/Moon tracking built in. * Real-time, pseudo-real-time, and manual calculation modes. * "View from space" map presentation showing what a particular satellite sees. * Selectable tracking detail, including doppler shift, free- space path loss, satellite and observer antenna pattern effects for a single satellite. * Display sun position for eclipse determination, and other observers for mutual visibility. * "Show DX" for all stations within the satellite footprint, and "what's up" for all satellites visible at observer QTH. * 4 different orbital calculation algorithms (selectable). * Tracking data (Keplerian element sets) read directly from standard, off-the-air bulletins in three different formats (up to 500 satellites). No pre-processing is needed, just grab a bulletin file, headers and all. Reads AMSAT, NASA or vector formats. * Propagation of pre-launch keps and other element updates. * Utility functions for modifying and comparing published element sets, including post-launch updating of pre-launch elements, and saving composite data files compiled from various sources. * Observer (QTH) data (latitude, longitude) may be imported from a simple text database (up to 1000 locations). Entry by grid-square or mouse-on-map is possible. * Flexible entry of latitude, longitude, date and time. * Printing of tables of tracking data (Ephemerides) in several formats. Printing does not interrupt tracking. Output may be directed to disk file or printer. * On-line help, including glossary and direct lookup of text information about all Amateur satellites from the map windows. All hamsats since Oscar I included. * Standard Windows interface for all functions - no commands to memorize. Both mouse and keyboard can be used for most functions. * DDE server interface to tracking-antenna hardware controllers. This program is available via internet, by anonymous ftp from: ftp.amsat.org in /amsat/software/windows/tracking/winorb27.zip oak.oakland.edu /pub3/hamradio/pc/satellite/winorb27.zip ftp.seds.org /pub/software/pc/sat/winorb27.zip The Microsoft file VBRUN300.DLL is required. It is available separately (and free) from many of the same sources. Future enhancements will include (depending upon interest): Bug fixes (when reported by users) Corrected/augmented satellite information supplied by users. Enhanced satellite database maintenance features Additional table formats (as requested by users) Fancier map formats Speedups From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:10:55 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!centre.univ-orleans.fr!unicaen.fr!news From: Jean-Philippe Donnio Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: WinOrbit 2.7 (tracking software) available Date: 10 Nov 1995 13:52:22 GMT Organization: Universite de Caen, France Lines: 22 Message-ID: <47vlem$c8d@caers3.unicaen.fr> References: <47o7i6$67b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: obelix.info.unicaen.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4d) X-URL: news:47o7i6$67b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu Carl Gregory wrote: >New Features in version 2.7 >--------------------------- >* Alternate satellite information databases such as "The > Satellite Encyclopedia" may now be accessed directly. Just a correction to WinOrbit's help file: TSE's web site is now http://www.tele-satellit.com/tse/ You may also get the package from ftp://ftp.tele-satellit.com/pub/tse/tse032.zip WinOrbit together with TSE is really great! Give it a try! -- Jean-Philippe Donnio univ: jpdonnio@info.unicaen.fr http://www.info.unicaen.fr/~jpdonnio/ work: jpdonnio@tele-satellit.com http://tele-satellit.com/tse/tag.html home: jpdonnio@dialup.francenet.fr From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:42 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!proton.llumc.edu!news.cerf.net!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!mgate.arrl.org!usenet From: w1aw@arrl.org Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: ARLK061 Keplerian data Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 12 Nov 1995 10:45:57 -0500 Organization: American Radio Relay League Lines: 91 Sender: root@mgate.arrl.org Approved: mtracy@arrl.org Message-ID: <$arlk061.1995@ampr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mgate.arrl.org Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.info:10376 rec.radio.amateur.space:5702 SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK061 ARLK061 Keplerian data ZCZC SK86 QST de W1AW Keplerian Bulletin 61 ARLK061 From ARRL Headquarters Newington, CT November 11, 1995 To all radio amateurs SB KEP ARL ARLK061 ARLK061 Keplerian data Thanks to NASA, AMSAT and WA5QGD for the following Keplerian data. Decode 2-line elsets with the following key: 1 AAAAAU 00 0 0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB .CCCCCCCC 00000-0 00000-0 0 DDDZ 2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM STS-74 1 99974U 95315.59818964 .01006020 00000-0 19864-3 0 15 2 99974 51.6456 140.1652 0103509 5.0168 355.2008 16.17694769 25 Mir 1 16609U 86017A 95313.86156770 .00003998 00000-0 58925-4 0 3081 2 16609 51.6451 148.0817 0003574 304.4745 55.5910 15.57982282555662 AO-10 1 14129U 83058B 95301.79734081 -.00000147 00000-0 10000-3 0 03832 2 14129 26.4483 241.3041 5979377 321.7524 8.2043 2.05879727065085 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87054A 95312.04588371 .00000040 00000-0 27245-4 0 01351 2 18129 82.9245 312.7342 0013329 54.0088 306.2297 13.72358626419701 UO-11 1 14781U 84021B 95312.00762864 .00000185 00000-0 39090-4 0 08425 2 14781 97.7871 307.8396 0012997 81.2952 278.9721 14.69396068625026 RS-12/13 1 21089U 91007A 95313.18472939 .00000038 00000-0 24104-4 0 8435 2 21089 82.9230 353.2460 0030062 125.8627 234.5324 13.74061957238684 AO-13 1 19216U 88051B 95312.96962799 .00000049 00000-0 18599-3 0 1088 2 19216 57.4296 154.0272 7346381 23.2353 357.6953 2.09725300 25200 UO-14 1 20437U 90005B 95313.21104328 .00000008 00000-0 19745-4 0 1385 2 20437 98.5617 35.2020 0011274 127.7188 232.5021 14.29902293302477 RS-15 1 23439U 94085A 95312.62980964 -.00000039 00000-0 10000-3 0 900 2 23439 64.8177 21.3820 0166782 237.5072 120.9633 11.27524533 35801 AO-16 1 20439U 90005D 95312.19769396 .00000017 00000-0 23609-4 0 09444 2 20439 98.5733 36.0735 0011380 131.3227 228.8935 14.29956970302342 DO-17 1 20440U 90005E 95312.10199304 .00000004 00000-0 18366-4 0 09465 2 20440 98.5752 36.5063 0011577 130.8060 229.4116 14.30098549302351 WO-18 1 20441U 90005F 95312.22711386 -.00000010 00000-0 13131-4 0 9417 2 20441 98.5747 36.5887 0011957 131.1486 229.0722 14.30068876302379 LO-19 1 20442U 90005G 95313.77866589 .00000012 00000-0 21505-4 0 9364 2 20442 98.5765 38.5280 0012531 126.2320 234.0023 14.30173898302618 FO-20 1 20480U 90013C 95312.17852060 -.00000057 00000-0 -47015-4 0 8338 2 20480 99.0641 13.9479 0539795 267.4453 86.4773 12.83231287269411 AO-21 1 21087U 91006A 95313.45137067 .00000094 00000-0 82657-4 0 6484 2 21087 82.9386 125.0833 0036574 100.1595 260.3690 13.74561131239680 UO-22 1 21575U 91050B 95313.67450737 .00000040 00000-0 27791-4 0 6435 2 21575 98.3820 21.2935 0006833 203.0488 157.0401 14.36998521226397 KO-23 1 22077U 92052B 95312.04093367 -.00000037 00000-0 10000-3 0 05360 2 22077 66.0826 294.5777 0001385 10.3582 349.7458 12.86293162152238 KO-25 1 22828U 93061F 95313.71059574 -.00000002 00000-0 16512-4 0 4087 2 22828 98.6027 28.1583 0010032 136.8018 223.3945 14.28118441 78643 IO-26 1 22826U 93061D 95312.13600329 .00000011 00000-0 21967-4 0 04393 2 22826 98.6069 26.5631 0008812 156.3426 203.8162 14.27785634110314 AO-27 1 22825U 93061C 95312.12288431 -.00000001 00000-0 17211-4 0 04350 2 22825 98.6069 26.4292 0008136 155.2622 204.8926 14.27677562110308 PO-28 1 22829U 93061G 95313.23382290 .00000082 00000-0 50443-4 0 4223 2 22829 98.6022 27.7314 0010003 138.0376 222.1565 14.28099902110490 Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW. The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Tuesday, November 14, 1995, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR. NNNN /EX From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:44 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!proton.llumc.edu!news.cerf.net!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!mgate.arrl.org!usenet From: w1aw@arrl.org Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: ARLK062 Keplerian data Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 15 Nov 1995 07:56:17 -0500 Organization: American Radio Relay League Lines: 94 Sender: root@mgate.arrl.org Approved: mtracy@arrl.org Message-ID: <$arlk062.1995@ampr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mgate.arrl.org Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.info:10392 rec.radio.amateur.space:5759 SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK062 ARLK062 Keplerian data ZCZC SK87 QST de W1AW Keplerian Bulletin 62 ARLK062 From ARRL Headquarters Newington, CT November 14, 1995 To all radio amateurs SB KEP ARL ARLK062 ARLK062 Keplerian data Thanks to NASA, AMSAT and WA5QGD for the following Keplerian data. Decode 2-line elsets with the following key: 1 AAAAAU 00 0 0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB .CCCCCCCC 00000-0 00000-0 0 DDDZ 2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM STS-74 1 23714U 95061A 95317.25000000 -.00002321 10914-4 47888-5 0 56 2 23714 51.6446 131.2680 0030009 358.8952 220.1795 15.83902278 100 Mir 1 16609U 86017A 95317.13283933 .00000260 00000-0 10000-4 0 03190 2 16609 51.6452 131.6864 0003258 318.1455 41.9288 15.57997099556178 HST 1 20580U 90037B 95317.04053563 .00000575 00000-0 41780-4 0 07589 2 20580 28.4695 174.2781 0006245 59.3667 300.7553 14.90971675106148 AO-10 1 14129U 83058B 95316.85354834 -.00000437 00000-0 10000-3 0 03864 2 14129 26.4596 238.8914 5980347 325.8738 7.2978 2.05881975065399 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87054A 95317.00363646 .00000034 00000-0 20321-4 0 01427 2 18129 82.9236 309.0667 0013107 42.5906 317.6260 13.72358879420387 UO-11 1 14781U 84021B 95316.97865738 .00000173 00000-0 36952-4 0 08486 2 14781 97.7873 312.5802 0013026 66.7600 293.4979 14.69398207625759 RS-12/13 1 21089U 91007A 95317.11690190 .00000056 00000-0 42915-4 0 08646 2 21089 82.9228 350.3299 0030343 115.1267 245.3037 13.74062397239224 AO-13 1 19216U 88051B 95313.92325061 .00000169 00000-0 18600-3 0 01097 2 19216 57.4290 153.8446 7346677 23.3155 357.6829 2.09723983025222 UO-14 1 20437U 90005B 95317.26958387 .00000032 00000-0 29111-4 0 1392 2 20437 98.5613 39.1918 0011440 115.9257 244.3103 14.29903038303058 RS-15 1 23439U 94085A 95317.06450748 -.00000039 00000-0 10000-3 0 01119 2 23439 64.8167 14.2116 0167019 236.6946 121.7891 11.27524335036304 AO-16 1 20439U 90005D 95317.16571784 .00000018 00000-0 23831-4 0 09536 2 20439 98.5730 40.9647 0011687 117.1069 243.1306 14.29957574303053 DO-17 1 20440U 90005E 95317.13949044 .00000023 00000-0 25557-4 0 09514 2 20440 98.5750 41.4687 0011783 116.3138 243.9256 14.30099200303071 WO-18 1 20441U 90005F 95317.12478166 .00000026 00000-0 26959-4 0 09437 2 20441 98.5747 41.4134 0012240 116.8447 243.3976 14.30069660303072 LO-19 1 20442U 90005G 95317.13682039 .00000027 00000-0 27107-4 0 09555 2 20442 98.5762 41.8366 0012799 116.9503 243.2988 14.30174457303099 FO-20 1 20480U 90013C 95317.16840017 -.00000024 00000-0 26936-4 0 08401 2 20480 99.0632 18.0037 0539854 256.1426 97.9069 12.83231773270055 AO-21 1 21087U 91006A 95316.94536548 .00000094 00000-0 82657-4 0 06534 2 21087 82.9385 122.4973 0036556 90.5479 269.9865 13.74561377240164 UO-22 1 21575U 91050B 95317.08636486 .00000097 00000-0 47200-4 0 06609 2 21575 98.3813 24.6147 0006780 191.6508 168.4534 14.36999827226884 KO-23 1 22077U 92052B 95317.01697194 -.00000037 00000-0 10000-3 0 05416 2 22077 66.0810 284.1575 0002019 3.1050 356.9977 12.86293196152870 KO-25 1 22828U 93061F 95317.07357942 .00000042 00000-0 34429-4 0 04248 2 22828 98.6024 31.4704 0010253 127.1050 233.1108 14.28119111079125 IO-26 1 22826U 93061D 95317.11157497 .00000038 00000-0 32830-4 0 04423 2 22826 98.6067 31.4639 0008981 141.1106 219.0747 14.27786357111029 AO-27 1 22825U 93061C 95317.09883133 -.00000000 00000-0 17559-4 0 04401 2 22825 98.6064 31.3281 0008583 140.4100 219.7691 14.27678097111016 PO-28 1 22829U 93061G 95317.15735651 .00000017 00000-0 24254-4 0 04499 2 22829 98.6016 31.5949 0010162 126.5811 233.6303 14.28099927111059 Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW. The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Saturday, November 18, 1995, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR. NNNN /EX From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:45 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!pacbell.com!pb2esac!jaminge From: jaminge@pb2esac.esac.pacbell.com (John Minger) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:09:36 GMT Organization: Pacific Bell, ESAC Lines: 32 Message-ID: <48855g$f40@gw.PacBell.COM> References: <$arls022.1995@ampr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: pb2esac.esac.pacbell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <$arls022.1995@ampr.org>, wrote: > >SB SPACE @ ARL $ARLS022 >ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed > >ZCZC AS02 >QST de W1AW >Space Bulletin 022 ARLS022 >From ARRL Headquarters >Newington, CT November 10, 1995 >To all radio amateurs > >SB SPACE ARL ARLS022 >ARLS022 Next shuttle all licensed > [snip, snip] >For more information on the SAREX program, visit the SAREX home page >on the World Wide Web at > > http://www.nasa.gov/sarex/sarexmainpage.html That URL has a typo. I was able to reach it via: http://www.nasa.gov/sarex/sarex_mainpage.html 73, -- ___________________________________________________________________________ John A Minger KE6DTC Opinions expressed are those of the author Los Angeles, CA and not those of anyone or anything else. From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:46 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech2!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary From: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: Azimuth Calibrator Message-ID: <1995Nov15.174552.12826@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems References: <1995Nov13.193945.13208@schbbs.mot.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:45:52 GMT Lines: 22 In article <1995Nov13.193945.13208@schbbs.mot.com> billh@gn2.getnet.com writes: > >Somewhere in the last few months I saw a reference to a simple device for >azimuth calibration to the sun. I believe the reference was to an AMSAT article >but I don't belong and have not been able to find the info. If anyone out there >either has or can guide me to the information it would be appreciated. All you need is a long tube with an end cap (on the sunward side) with a pinhole in its middle. Put a target with an X on it at the back end. When the projected solar disc is centered on the X, the tube is pointed at the sun. If the tube is mounted so that its axis is parallel to the antenna main lobe, you're now boresighted on the sun. Use an almanac and an accurate clock to determine the sun's position, and you have a calibration for the antenna position. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:48 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!usenet From: Tom Clark Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Azimuth Calibrator Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:16:07 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 13 Message-ID: <48d78n$7cd@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <1995Nov13.193945.13208@schbbs.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vlbi.gsfc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 32bit) No, it wasn't an article. I posted a piece on the amsat-bb@amsat.org mailing list pointing out that if you put a stick in the ground on a sunny day on flat, horizontal ground, and note the tip of the shadow at two times split around local noon, then the line connecting those two points is (nearly) an east-west line. The (nearly) deviations from "perfect" are zero at the solstice (Jun.21 and Dec.21) and are < 1/2 degree maximum at the equinoxes (Mar.21 and Sep 21). This trick goes all the way back to the Egyptian pyramid builders who used it to align the bases of the pyramids N/S/E/W. Tom Clark, W3IWI From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:49 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!grizzarv From: grizzarv@indirect.com (Robert V. Grizzard) Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.rad Subject: cancel <485q5e$34s@globe.indirect.com> Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:51:24 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <485q8s$34s@globe.indirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52050 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4595 rec.pyrotechnics:37630 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17075 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12596 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21380 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11543 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94251 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31835 rec.radio.amateur.space:5716 io.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine Control: cancel <485q5e$34s@globe.indirect.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Distribution: Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:50 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech2!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary From: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: Convolutional Coding/Differential Coding Message-ID: <1995Nov15.174943.12902@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems References: <488g5p$4ok@email.eag.unisysgsg.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:49:43 GMT Lines: 15 In article <488g5p$4ok@email.eag.unisysgsg.com> rsalter@eag.unisysgsg.com (Bob Salter) writes: >I am working with equipment which supports BPSK and OQPSK 'convolutional >decoding' with k numbers and r numbers. Can anyone EMail me a thumbnail >explanation? How does it relate to differential? Thanks Pick up a copy of _Digital Modulation and Coding_ by Stephen Wilson. It has a lucid explanation of convolutional coding. It's not something that can be explained in a few words. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:51 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Burt Fisher Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.rad Subject: Re: Do it for the log. Date: 12 Nov 1995 11:35:52 GMT Lines: 33 Message-ID: <484m6o$21a@alterdial.UU.NET> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825d3$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.172.47.193 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: bmicales@facstaff.wisc.edu Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52037 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4590 rec.pyrotechnics:37614 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17060 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12579 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21356 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11530 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94201 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31813 rec.radio.amateur.space:5699 bmicales@facstaff.wisc.edu (Bruce Micales) wrote: >In the first instance, I am clearly stating as to why I want your name..I do >keep a log of my contacts. Also this information can be used for sending QSL >cards. All of this is quickly said by asking for your name for the log. >However, I guess I could say "I would like to know your name because I am a >nice guy,, I am keeping a log, and I might send you a QSL card". Hmmmm, seems >a bit to much. You prove my point that hams could give a damn about YOU they want your name for the LOG so they can get an impersonal QSL card. Frequently I hear hams on repeaters ask for a name FOR THE LOG, and not even a log for hams there. Explain? >Hams are very personable otherwise you would not have FM voice, AM voice, SSB >voice, or even ATV. >Bruce Micales Be serious. On voice what PERSONAL things do they say? #================#=====================================================# | Burt Fisher | Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics | | Amateur call | South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod) | | K1OIK | The less you say, the more people will remember | #================#=====================================================# | k1oik@ccsnet.com fisher@meol.mass.edu | #======================================================================# From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:53 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!wizard.pn.com!ci-pioneer!panda!org!org!*domain!*site!*user!kirkman!don!don.kirkman From: Don.Kirkman@Don.Kirkman@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Don Kirkman) Date: 12 Nov 95 16:06:00 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Do it for the log. Message-ID: Organization: Fidonet: PandA's Den BBS Usenet: SATINS/Net330 uucp gateway * PandA's Den BBS *CR Lines: 33 From: donk@a.crl.com (Don Kirkman) Subject: Re: Do it for the log. Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Burt Fisher wrote: >To: Multiple recipients of list HAM-L And countless others, it turns out :-) >How many times have you heards folks say that they wanted the other >guy's name, QTH, etc. for the log? My log couldn't care less about >that information. Whenever I ask, it's because I want to know. Hey, guys, why was this posted in puzzles, running, skiing, and half a dozen other groups? Ham related I can understand, but PLEASE look at the cross-posted groups! BTW, I picked this up in rec.running, but I always wanted the name also--and of course I wrote it IN the log (where else, back in the old pre-computer days?) 73. N6IM Don Kirkman donk@a.crl.com Cerritos, CA If I had a life I'd be having a mid-life crisis -- |Fidonet: Don Kirkman 1:330/317 |Internet: Don.Kirkman@Don.Kirkman@*user@*site.*domain.org.org | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own. | PandA's Den BBS FidoNet < > internet gateway - email info@panda.org From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:55 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!unsw.edu.au!usenet From: Georgios Tsoukalas Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Life elsewere ?? Was: UFO ... Date: 13 Nov 1995 05:40:47 GMT Organization: Dept of Comp Sci & Eng, Uni Of NSW, Oz Lines: 124 Message-ID: <486lov$jda@mirv.unsw.edu.au> References: <1995Nov7.193317.10289@nb.rockwell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oboe03.orchestra.cse.unsw.edu.au Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37471 alt.paranet.ufo:45165 rec.radio.amateur.space:5727 >I have four items to offer with respect to this issue: > >1. We know that life on earth happened. Therefore we know that the >probability of life forming is greater than 0. But we do not know of >any limit to the size of the universe. So, speculating, we have a non- >zero probability of life forming and a virtually limitless number of >samples out there (i.e. "opportunities"). Makes it seem almost ludicrous >to be pessimistic about this. We can't even say that. If you have an open mind, you may think that the "I think therfore I am" quote is the best evidence we have of the sence of self. But forget that, you see we have nothing to loose if we beleave that we exist. Another quote I remeber from Stephen Hawkins is: "No matter what the probability is that we got here, we made it". I can't remeber how he put it, but the meaning is there. Who he was arguing against was creationists. Their argument is that look at how many things could have gone wrong ! To start chemistry .. if ice didn't float there would be no life ... (There are thousands of those). Then astronomy ... if the earth wasn't this big, this far from the sun. If the sun wasn't this big. Then we have history (for any historical figure we are a virtual impossibility ie. think of the chance any one sperm has :-) ) And so on. All these lead to the current events being practicaly impossible. So it may be that the probability that life can occur anywere again is zero if we round it to to X number of zeroes. (Think X being big enough to exclude all planets) My conculsion from the above are ... The probability that this happens again are impossible to work out. We have no way of guessing because we can't even comprehend the luck we had to make it this. So the argument of probability is mute. It's just the last resort from those that want to beleave there is life elsewre . They start backwards. Let's assume there is life elsewere. Now let's shape our argument to prove it is so, and ignore directions that would prove it otherwise. Another point from S. Hawkins quote would be, "we made it so far". That only speaks of the past. There is no evidence everything will fail in the next three seconds. One of the increadable impossibilities would work agaist us, ie a chain reaction in water would make ice sink, carbon molecules will brake down .. and so on. > >2. We know that chemical reactions happen elsewhere just as they do here. >I mean, for instance, our sun does not operate on principles that are in >any way unique. Nor are meteorological phenomena different here from >what they are in other planets we know about. So that's more evidence that >this solar system and planet are hardly going to end up being the unique >one among trillions. We only assume that the reason life exists are those chemical reactions that occured on earth. What if we assume that the only reason life exists are the exact conditions as well as the order of events. When the earth cooled, what the temperature of the sun was and when. The creation of the layers of atmosphere since the earth began (no ozone layer now no life, if there was an ozone layer then no life). You cannot doubt the fact that it's impossible to duplicate the exact situation to start with as well as the exact order of events. Unless you go back to your infinite sample theorem. That's not possible, and I don't think many scientists beleave this. My excuse agaist that would be: Consider the big bang. Since the BB, material is rushing outwards. Nothing is beond that boundary, therfore there is a limit to the size of "everything". Making it big enough is like the scientists looking for dark matter. They just assume it exists and start making up theories to prove it does. (a more legit persuit, but so far it cannot be proven). ("So far ..." does not mean "Eventualy will be proven". > >3. We know that water exists elsewhere in the universe (e.g. in comets), >so that important ingredient is not unique to Earth. That means practicaly nothing. If 50% of the reason life exists is water, it's like saying that you need 100 ingreadiants to make a "X", if you ensure that 50 are there. You still don't have "X". This is proved by above. Your evidence that there is water did not prove that there is life (ie. comets). I'd say more fundamentaly that to have life you need matter. It's existance proves nothing about lifes existance. Basicaly for now all we know is that you need 100 ingreadiants AND the recipy. ie. Same argument as above you need the whole history of earth in the order it occured as well as earth. The margin of error that may exist is the only hope you have of other life elsewere. Like I said, we don't know what that margin is. It can span from zero for the non-beleavers to 1 for the beleavers. And they get their data from the same pot. Don't forget, by stating that Water is the most important element in life, you are assuming you know something you don't. > >4. And finally, to me this is a little bit like picking up a grain of >sand on one beach, just one grain, and swearing that _this_ grain is >fundamentally different from all other grains of sand in every beach >on earth. Failing chemical analysis of even a single other grain, I >suppose one might wonder if it were true. But most reasonable people >would _speculate_ that bullshit, this grain is probably very similar to >zillions of others. > If the exact molecule count as well as the order those molecules are aranged is what matters ... good luck finding a second. Your above argument simply does one thing. What you fear are the increadable number of variables involved in life on earth. So pshycologicaly what you do is choose an example that get's rid of those variables. That seems to be uniform with all others. You then present it as similar to the case earth-life. Not realy. But even though I doubt ther are any beaches with two grains of sand that are the same. I doubt there are two on earth. Consider the variables molecular count, order of composition, Identity of molecules, molecular isotopes. Consider that we are coming up with many new particles all the time. So who knows what "ingrediants" went into making the grain you picked up. Put it under a microscope and consider the chance there is anothe one like it. Now make an earth and fill it with sand. What is the chance there is another person somewere that has made the same bowl full of sand identicle down to the last grain. Not if ice didn't flote in his universe ... >Bert >manfredi@engr05.comsys.rockwell.com > George s8989370@cse.unsw.edu.au From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:56 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!fido.de!sungate-ftn.fido.de!hippo.fido.de!p41.bb.fido.de!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:13:00 +0100 From: mora@bb.fido.de (Juergen Morawietz) Subject: Re: MIR HAM-ing on 2m/70cm ??? Message-ID: References: <47sh6r$ob7@nervous.pdb.sni.de> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space X-Comment-To: (Waldemar Kebsch) Organization: Fido.DE domain gateway (IN e.V.) Lines: 27 X-Gateway: FIDO .. morannon.fido.de [FIDOGATE 3.9.6] X-FTN-Tearline: CrossPoint v3.1 R X-FTN-Origin: mora@bb.fido.de (242:6000/106.41) X-FTN-Domain: Z242@fidode X-FTN-Seen-By: 1000/1 200 2000/1 4900/99 6000/0 100 106 200 X-FTN-Path: 6000/106 100 0 1000/1 Hallo Waldemar! kebsch.pad@sni.de wrote: kp> approx. each day I am checking the announced frequencies, when MIR is kp> flying over Europe. Until now I don't have heard anything. Is anyone kp> out there who had a QSO (Phonie-FM) with DP1MIR? Didn't your hear the Packet-Transmissions from R0MIR on 145.550 MHz either? I heard them almost every day here in northern Germany in the past two weeks. It was a rather strong signal. Last time I heard Mir was today at 11:30 UTC. I read something about Thomas Reiters problems with the HAM-equipment in the 'Deutschlandrundspruch' released by the German amateur radio league DARC. It is in german language. Let me know, if I shall e-mail it to you. The first QSOs with German stations were made by Thomas (DP0MIR) on Oct.29 at 145.800MHz. -- Bye Internet : mora@bb.fido.de - Juergen - Fido(C&L) : 2:2449/422.41 From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:58 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!comnets.rwth-aachen.de!fido.de!sungate-ftn.fido.de!hippo.fido.de!p41.bb.fido.de!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:14:00 +0100 From: mora@bb.fido.de (Juergen Morawietz) Subject: Re: MIR HAM-ing on 2m/70cm ??? Message-ID: References: <47sh6r$ob7@nervous.pdb.sni.de> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space X-Comment-To: (Waldemar Kebsch) Organization: Fido.DE domain gateway (IN e.V.) Lines: 91 X-Gateway: FIDO .. morannon.fido.de [FIDOGATE 3.9.6] X-FTN-Tearline: CrossPoint v3.1 R X-FTN-Origin: mora@bb.fido.de (242:6000/106.41) X-FTN-Domain: Z242@fidode X-FTN-Seen-By: 1000/1 200 2000/1 4900/99 6000/0 100 106 200 X-FTN-Path: 6000/106 100 0 1000/1 Hallo Waldemar! kebsch.pad@sni.de wrote: kp> Is anyone out there who had a QSO (Phonie-FM) with DP1MIR? The following excerpt of the Space-News from Oct.30 may be interesting for you (and others) too: * EUROMIR 95 - FAX FROM DP0MIR * ================================ The following fax from Thomas, DP0MIR (DF4TR) was received on 12-Oct-95 by Thomas, DL2MDE, of the Ham Radio Group at Deutsche Forschungsanstalt. Here he describes the actual situation onboard concerning ham-activities, and comments by the German Ham Radio Group are also included. "Now HAM-radio: this is a sad story! The old station" (Icom 228) "is working, but only in simplex mode. Apparetly there is a way of channel- switching (i.e. one frequency for transmitting and another one for receiving), but I have no clue how to select or activate this - and of course, there is NO F...DOCUMENTATION ON BOARD, neither for the old station nor for the new one!!!" (TM733) We from DF0VR try to send several information on board but have problems with packet radio (see below) !! Direct ways also do not solve the difficulties !! "Two weeks ago on Sunday I installed the new station and a few days later the new power supply (everything extremely improvised - cables hanging around, cables I soldered together...)." He does whatever is possible, several stations from W, VK, ZL, G confirmed this fact to us. Sometimes Thomas also switched on the digital voice memory. "The new station is working in the voice mode, but the modems cannot be initialized- one of the new modems has a connector for the 2nd serial port of the computer, which doesn't fit (two "mamas"); There is an antenna switch supposed to be onboard - we can't find it; There is a 'duplexer-box', which allows to run the new station in the two frequency bands (145+430 MHz) over one antenna - we can't find it; Radio Amateurs already ask us since we are here, when the new station will be installed and when we can run in duplex mode and when they can use the 70 cm band (430 MHz) and, and, and... Then the guys in Oberpfaffenhofen request a special frequency for making packet-transfer, but Sergei and Juri don't like to change the frequency which is almost the whole day (145.55), because the whole rest of the world is communication with us - or better - with the packet-controller on this frequency". Skeds between DP0MIR and DF0VR on dedicated frequencies are needed to transmit special information for the installation of equipment, international frequency agreements, ham operation onboard, skeds for school stations... If you should listen to such a contact please don't try to speak with Thomas. This information transfer is of interest for all of us!!!!!! "Last week I had a contact with a guy in southern Germany- not one of the OBI-guys" (OBI = call of radio beacon from Oberpfaffenhofen)", who seemed to be already a little bit embarrassed, because the new equipment is not yet running. And then he asked me, if I am feeling better in the meantime! I told him, that I feel absolutely great, and asked why I should feel better. He told me, he had heard that I was quite ill, but am on my way of recovery! No comment on this s*** (sorry!). For some nights we had selected the frequency which was requested by OBI- I even set up a message for Kieselbach" (Thomas, DL2MDE) "on the controller - but they say, they cannot connect! The whole world can connect to our station, but apparently the signals from Germany are reflected or attenuated in a magic way. I am feeling bad for these guys, because they seem to have some expectations, which we can't fulfill yet. I think it would be certainly good to have the uplink-capability from OBI, but at the moment it looks not so bright." In the last time visibility of MIR for DF0VR was only in the night time (TsUP-time). We tried to connect to R0MIR-1, but at this time we only heard the packet beacon from MIR. Connecting was not possible. We have information that tonights the AF level onboard is reduced. In our opinion this AF level is not sufficient to connect to the BBS. Presently we try to inform Thomas about this fact. [Info via Thomas, DL2MDE, and Joerg, DL3LUM] -- Bye Internet : mora@bb.fido.de - Juergen - Fido(C&L) : 2:2449/422.41 From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:46:59 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ecrc.de!news.mch.sni.de!news.scn.de!news From: Guenter Koellner Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Moon track software Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:00:28 -0800 Organization: Siemens Business Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <30A3771C.7000@SCN.DE> References: <47noij$1hv$2@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.20.20.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) hello, I implemented lately a tracking algorythm in C language on a 80C535. Its controlling my 6 times 33ele on 70cm and did its job well during the ARRL EME contest last weekend. The code is standard C, source available. This C code was converted from a TURBU-PASCAL source. So this source is also availabe. You should mail me a short mail if you need it. vy 73, Guenter, DL4MEA@DB0KCP.#BAY.DEU.EU (AX.25) KOELLNER@SCN.DE (Internet) HTTP://WWW.SCN.DE/~KOELLNER (WWW) UO-22, KO-23 & KO-25 (Pacsats) From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:00 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: tgriff@ix.netcom.com (Tom Griffin) Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You? Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 04:33:14 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-col-sc1-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Nov 11 1:38:13 AM PST 1995 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52014 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4582 rec.pyrotechnics:37596 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17036 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12562 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21330 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11515 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94163 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31793 rec.radio.amateur.space:5680 rec.radio.cb:24376 rec.radio.noncomm:4962 rec.radio.scanner:40578 rec.radio.shortwave:65910 rec.radio.swap:50767 rec.roller-coaster:23161 rec.running:45166 rec.scouting:37574 rec.scuba:80139 rec.skiing.alpine:32754 billn@PEAK.ORG (Bill Nelson) wrote: >Please people, don't post all sorts of responses to this spam - it will not >do any good. What will work is sending a complaint to postmaster@hawaii.edu, >including the complete article. > >You will find that the person will have a severe "talking to" by the >administrator - if the account is not pulled. Most universities have >a statement in their user agreement that such posts are illegal and >ground for immediate account revocation. > >Bill No sooner said than done. Tom From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:01 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Oberg - answerman! (was Re: STS-73 Sees UFO) Date: 11 Nov 1995 15:50:48 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4832b8$sck@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: jamesoberg@aol.com (JamesOberg) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37420 alt.paranet.ufo:45114 rec.radio.amateur.space:5683 It appears that the AOL filter into newsgroups doesn't allow us to do it. Is there some other way except just not responding at all -- or is THAT the best way? From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:02 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!news.luc.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!firewall!ceco!root From: sufana@ceco.ceco.com (Charles R. Sufana) Subject: OSCAR antenna rotors and coax placement X-Nntp-Posting-Host: relay1 Message-ID: Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Reply-To: sufana@ceco.ceco.com Organization: Commonwealth Edison Company Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:49:12 GMT Lines: 36 I am thinking of buying a G5400 rotor for satellite work and was wondering if that rotor has the capability to make north think it is south and vice versa while under computer control. The reason for the question is that I have been involved with 2 schools that had a successful SAREX contact and we made sure that the rotors (normal azimuth not computer controlled types ) would not run into a mechanical stop in the middle of the pass. I didn't want to wait 50 seconds or so for the rotor to go back around. So in most cases, our rotors had north as mechanical stop and for 1 mission (2 days ago) we made north into south and south into north. Obviously under hand control there is no problem (other than relabeling everything), but what about under computer control? I run Quiktrak. A second question involves dressing up the coax cable off of the antenna. Does the pattern get screwed up if the cable is taped to the antenna boom to get back to the cross boom? Or does it really need to be hanging in a big loop? Thanks in advance. 73s, Charlie Sufana AJ9N Internet sufana@ceco.ceco.com ComEd - A Div. of Unicom (formerly Commonwealth Edison Co.) Work address: ComEd, System Protection Dept. 1039E, 125 S. Clark St., P.O. Box 767, Chicago, Il. 60690 Work phone: (312) 394-2815, work fax: (312) 394-4583 Who are you going to call? Fault busters! Prodigy Internet jtjf69a@prodigy.com From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:03 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!wizard.pn.com!ci-pioneer!panda!org!org!*domain!*site!*user!leaf!scott!scott.leaf From: Scott.Leaf@Scott.Leaf@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Scott Leaf) Date: 11 Nov 95 20:20:00 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE Message-ID: <256_9511121611@panda.org> Organization: Fidonet: PandA's Den BBS Usenet: SATINS/Net330 uucp gateway * PandA's Den BBS *Mo Lines: 24 From: ve7zvz@dowco.com (Scott Leaf) Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Organization: Mountain DX Club VA7SM In article <482tdm$fro@news.gate.net>, Cal Deal wrote: -> Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate -> location. Learn how to use a 'KILL' file to stop the thread from showing up on YOUR screen if you find it so offensive. We dont need censorship on the Net. -- Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ ve7zvz@dowco.com Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To Boldy VHF Where No Man Has VHFed Before" -- |Fidonet: Scott Leaf 1:330/317 |Internet: Scott.Leaf@Scott.Leaf@*user@*site.*domain.org.org | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own. | PandA's Den BBS FidoNet < > internet gateway - email info@panda.org From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:04 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!wizard.pn.com!ci-pioneer!panda!org!org!*domain!*site!*user!keaton!j!william!william.j..keaton From: William.J..Keaton@William.J..Keaton@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (William J. Keaton) Date: 12 Nov 95 12:45:00 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE Message-ID: Organization: Fidonet: PandA's Den BBS Usenet: SATINS/Net330 uucp gateway * PandA's Den BBS *Vo Lines: 48 From: wjake@VOA.GOV (William J. Keaton) Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Organization: Voice of America In article ve7zvz@dowco.com (Scott Leaf) writes: >In article , ghansen@accessone.com >(Glenn Hansen) wrote: > >-> PLEASE REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. > >-> rec.radio.amateur.space. It is a great waste of bandwidth. When you post a >-> reply please. I SHOUT PLEASE, look up at the top of the page where it says >-> Newsgroups. These are all the places your UFO stuff is going to. We at >-> rec.radio.amateur.space are not interested. >-> > >Take a pill Glen, if you dont like it learn how to use a 'KILL' file to >stop the thread from showing up on YOUR screen. Your comment about "a >great waste of bandwidth" shows an incredible ignorance of how the net >works. If your concerned about bandwidth go take your soapbox to the alt. >hierarchy. > >-- >Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ >ve7zvz@dowco.com >Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada And why don't you both keep your silly argument out of sci.space.*? ******************************************************************************* * * WJaKe - William J. Keaton wjake@voa.gov * * VOA - The Voice of America VDJS27A@prodigy.com * * Opinions - Mine Only http://pages.prodigy.com/VA/wjake/home.html * ******************************************************************************* * -- |Fidonet: William J. Keaton 1:330/317 |Internet: William.J..Keaton@William.J..Keaton@*user@*site.*domain.org.org | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own. | PandA's Den BBS FidoNet < > internet gateway - email info@panda.org From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:05 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!matlock.mindspring.com!usenet From: wave@mindspring.com (Pieter Ibelings) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Date: 11 Nov 1995 15:13:51 GMT Organization: -.-. --.- -.. -..- Lines: 7 Message-ID: <482ejf$ogo@firehose.mindspring.com> References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <479l71$15pi@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47chb2$295@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <47dao7$blg@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <47ocpv$1oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wave.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37413 rec.radio.amateur.space:5678 Do these UFO's have ham radio stations on them? I have MIR confirmed , but that's about it. 73's From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:06 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gate.net!news-adm From: Cal Deal Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Date: 11 Nov 1995 19:26:46 GMT Organization: CyberGate Lines: 4 Message-ID: <482tdm$fro@news.gate.net> References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <479l71$15pi@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47chb2$295@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <47dao7$blg@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <47ocpv$1oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> <482ejf$ogo@firehose.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dffl5-39.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:482ejf$ogo@firehose.mindspring.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37418 rec.radio.amateur.space:5681 Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate location. From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:07 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!opal.CyberGate.COM!news From: videodog@cybergate.com (Joe Thor) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:32:06 GMT Organization: Cybergate Information Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4834om$17c@opal.CyberGate.COM> References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <479l71$15pi@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47chb2$295@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <47d <482tdm$fro@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fat-3.cybergate.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37423 rec.radio.amateur.space:5684 In article <482tdm$fro@news.gate.net>, Cal Deal says: > >Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate >location. > > This is an appropriate place to discuss the space shuttle and UFO's! Joe From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:08 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!lancelot.dowco.com!NewsWatcher!user From: ve7zvz@dowco.com (Scott Leaf) Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Sender: news@dowco.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 01:20:11 GMT References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <479l71$15pi@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47chb2$295@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <47dao7$blg@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <47ocpv$1oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> <482ejf$ogo@firehose.mindspring.com> <482tdm$fro@news.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 206.12.26.40 Organization: Mountain DX Club VA7SM Lines: 13 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37433 rec.radio.amateur.space:5688 In article <482tdm$fro@news.gate.net>, Cal Deal wrote: -> Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate -> location. Learn how to use a 'KILL' file to stop the thread from showing up on YOUR screen if you find it so offensive. We dont need censorship on the Net. -- Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ ve7zvz@dowco.com Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To Boldy VHF Where No Man Has VHFed Before" From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:09 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!phoenix.phoenix.net!mjensen From: mjensen@phoenix.net (Mike Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Followup-To: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 11 Nov 1995 23:22:55 GMT Organization: Gnosis Industries Lines: 21 Message-ID: <483b8f$ho6@gryphon.phoenix.net> References: <478mpu$s27@roadkill.Colorado.EDU> <479dc9$9a6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <479l71$15pi@news.doit.wisc.edu> <47chb2$295@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <47d <482tdm$fro@news.gate.net> <4834om$17c@opal.CyberGate.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: phoenix.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37434 rec.radio.amateur.space:5691 Joe Thor (videodog@cybergate.com) wrote: : > : >Please move your UFO discussion to an appropriate : >location. : > : This is an appropriate place to discuss the space shuttle and UFO's! Where in sci.space.shuttle does it say ufo? This is not an appropriate forum for UFO discussions. sci.space.ufo, if it existed, would be, but since several other ufo newsgroups exist, I suggest taking the discussion there instead. : Joe Mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Through the router, over the firewall, down the cable.. nothing but net! Don't be so open minded your brains fall out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:10 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!voa3!wjake From: wjake@VOA.GOV (William J. Keaton) Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Message-ID: Organization: Voice of America References: <47ocpv$1oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 17:45:24 GMT Lines: 30 In article ve7zvz@dowco.com (Scott Leaf) writes: >In article , ghansen@accessone.com >(Glenn Hansen) wrote: > >-> PLEASE REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. > >-> rec.radio.amateur.space. It is a great waste of bandwidth. When you post a >-> reply please. I SHOUT PLEASE, look up at the top of the page where it says >-> Newsgroups. These are all the places your UFO stuff is going to. We at >-> rec.radio.amateur.space are not interested. >-> > >Take a pill Glen, if you dont like it learn how to use a 'KILL' file to >stop the thread from showing up on YOUR screen. Your comment about "a >great waste of bandwidth" shows an incredible ignorance of how the net >works. If your concerned about bandwidth go take your soapbox to the alt. >hierarchy. > >-- >Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ >ve7zvz@dowco.com >Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada And why don't you both keep your silly argument out of sci.space.*? ******************************************************************************** * WJaKe - William J. Keaton wjake@voa.gov * * VOA - The Voice of America VDJS27A@prodigy.com * * Opinions - Mine Only http://pages.prodigy.com/VA/wjake/home.html * ******************************************************************************** From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:11 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dpc.net!novia!news.inc.net!news.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary From: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: PLEASE IGNORE REQUEST TO REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. Message-ID: <1995Nov11.205332.20820@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems References: <47ocpv$1oa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 20:53:32 GMT Lines: 30 In article ve7zvz@dowco.com (Scott Leaf) writes: >In article , ghansen@accessone.com >(Glenn Hansen) wrote: > >-> PLEASE REMOVE REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.SPACE OUT OF THE UFO LOOP. > >-> rec.radio.amateur.space. It is a great waste of bandwidth. When you post a >-> reply please. I SHOUT PLEASE, look up at the top of the page where it says >-> Newsgroups. These are all the places your UFO stuff is going to. We at >-> rec.radio.amateur.space are not interested. >-> > >Take a pill Glen, if you dont like it learn how to use a 'KILL' file to >stop the thread from showing up on YOUR screen. Your comment about "a >great waste of bandwidth" shows an incredible ignorance of how the net >works. If your concerned about bandwidth go take your soapbox to the alt. >hierarchy. Indeed. Since the notes are crossposted, only one copy is sent to each system, not a copy for each group in the header. No extra bandwidth is consumed. Now since the thread seems to have evolved into a SETI discussion, it is also on charter for this group because amateurs are participating in the SETI search. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:12 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Brian Webb <102670.1206@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Quad Antenna for Space Shuttle UHF Date: 13 Nov 1995 04:35:43 GMT Organization: Umbra Research Lines: 8 Message-ID: <486huv$2be$3@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> For those of you interested in monitoring the Space Shuttle on 259.700 MHz, go to the USENET sci.space.shuttle and look for Parts 1, 2, and 3 of the posting "Quad Antenna for Shuttle UHF." Be sure to read all three parts. 73s Brian Webb, KD6NRP From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:13 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: csp@clark.net () Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Request for help w/portable satcom Date: 12 Nov 1995 17:39:29 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 8 Message-ID: <485bgh$qu@clarknet.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950726BETA PL0] I am planning a hiking and backpacking trip and would like to try portable packet ops via satellite. I am familiar with packet but have never done any sat work. Is it feasbile to do satellite packet in the field with a handheld and "portable" antenna? Any suggestions/advice would be much appreciated. Thanks. Craig Peterson, N3DCT csp@clark.net From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:14 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Burt Fisher Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: Rules of ham DUMB. Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:42:40 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4835cg$ks1@alterdial.UU.NET> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.172.47.193 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:50793 rec.radio.shortwave:65920 rec.radio.scanner:40586 rec.radio.amateur.space:5685 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31795 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94174 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11518 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21336 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12565 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17039 Ham operator Jokes: 1. What is the thinnest book in the world? What hams know about women. 2. How does a ham take a bubble bath? He eats beans for dinner. 3. What's a ham's idea of foreplay? A half hour of contesting. 4. How can you tell if a ham is sexually excited? If he's still breathing. 5. How many hams does it take to change a roll of toilet paper? We don't know...it has never happened. 6. What's a ham's idea of helping with the housework? Lifting his leg so you can vacuum. 7. What does a ham consider a seven course meal? A hot dog and a six pack of beer. From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:15 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsat!uswc.uswest.com!usenet From: "Dennis A. Mason" Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB. Date: 12 Nov 1995 03:09:03 GMT Organization: USWest SA news server Lines: 2 Message-ID: <483ogf$4j5@sanews.uswc.uswest.com> References: <4835cg$ks1@alterdial.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.116.178.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) X-URL: news:4835cg$ks1@alterdial.UU.NET Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:50812 rec.radio.shortwave:65931 rec.radio.scanner:40606 rec.radio.amateur.space:5690 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31805 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94188 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11525 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21346 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12573 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17053 well burt sounds like you are very educated. From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:16 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: randolw@ix.netcom.com (Randol D. Williams ) Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB. Date: 12 Nov 1995 03:21:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-ID: <483p6s$kk4@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <4835cg$ks1@alterdial.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-mia3-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Nov 11 7:21:00 PM PST 1995 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:50826 rec.radio.shortwave:65949 rec.radio.scanner:40610 rec.radio.amateur.space:5693 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31810 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94194 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11526 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21350 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12575 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17057 In <4835cg$ks1@alterdial.UU.NET> Burt Fisher writes: > >Ham operator Jokes: > >1. What is the thinnest book in the world? > What hams know about women. > >2. How does a ham take a bubble bath? > He eats beans for dinner. > >3. What's a ham's idea of foreplay? > A half hour of contesting. > >4. How can you tell if a ham is sexually excited? > If he's still breathing. > >5. How many hams does it take to change a roll of toilet paper? > We don't know...it has never happened. > >6. What's a ham's idea of helping with the housework? > Lifting his leg so you can vacuum. > >7. What does a ham consider a seven course meal? > A hot dog and a six pack of beer. What kinda beer? Can or bottle? From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:18 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!castle.nando.net!news From: Dave Hockaday Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB. Date: 13 Nov 1995 02:19:37 GMT Organization: News & Observer Public Access Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4869vp$odu@castle.nando.net> References: <4835cg$ks1@alterdial.UU.NET> <483p6s$kk4@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <485olj$kgm@castle.nando.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: grail716.nando.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: cmedico@nando.net Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:51024 rec.radio.shortwave:66101 rec.radio.scanner:40731 rec.radio.amateur.space:5751 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31871 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94346 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11586 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21443 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12639 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17124 cmedico@nando.net wrote: > >In Article<485olj$kgm@castle.nando.net>, write: >> Path: castle.nando.net!news >> From: Dave Hockaday >> Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amate= ur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna >> Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB. >> Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:24:03 GMT >> Organization: News & Observer Public Access >> Lines: 12 >> Message-ID: <485olj$kgm@castle.nando.net> >> References: <4835cg$ks1@alterdial.UU.NET> <483p6s$kk4@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> >> NNTP-Posting-Host: grail512.nando.net >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) >> To: randolw@ix.netcom.com >> Xref: castle.nando.net rec.radio.swap:47712 rec.radio.shortwave:61743 rec.radio.scanner:27055 rec.radio.amateur.space:5081 rec.ra= dio.amateur.policy:29534 rec.radio.amateur.misc:88528 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:10278 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:18962 rec.radio.a= mateur.digital.misc:10944 rec.radio >amateur.antenna:15344 >> >> >>7. What does a ham consider a seven course meal? >> >> A hot dog and a six pack of beer. >> > >> >What kinda beer? Can or bottle? >> >> That is a question that deserves some serious consideration. I thought it >> sounded like the perfect meal (I would require 2 hotdogs, though). Throw >> in some chips and you're living good :-) >> >> Dave WB4IUY >> >So Dave, What do you do on the weekends??? >Chris KC4YLE Partake of perfect meals, for one :-)... WB4IUY From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:19 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: Steve.Breland@rmh.edu (Steve Breland) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap Subject: re: spamming the net - was Re: The idiot ham trade. Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:03:53 GMT Organization: Richland Memorial Hospital Lines: 14 Message-ID: <488fb2$ehk@news1.sunbelt.net> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: seb.rmh.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99a.107 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17104 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12616 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21412 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11563 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94287 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31850 rec.radio.amateur.space:5741 rec.radio.cb:24435 rec.radio.noncomm:4973 rec.radio.scanner:40682 rec.radio.shortwave:66053 rec.radio.swap:50960 Burt Fisher wrote: >I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we >have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for >something woth something). > Burt, How's about trimming the non-radio groups from your posting Newsgroups? Thanks, -Steve email: Steve.Breland@rmh.edu From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:20 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: stelpony@ix.netcom.com (Steel Pony ) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap Subject: Still Need Sinadder info/manual Date: 12 Nov 1995 22:48:11 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <485tjb$bg@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825d3$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <30a6439c.3935195@165.113.1.21> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-ont6-01.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Nov 12 2:48:11 PM PST 1995 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17071 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12589 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21373 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11538 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94224 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31821 rec.radio.amateur.space:5709 rec.radio.cb:24399 rec.radio.noncomm:4964 rec.radio.scanner:40633 rec.radio.shortwave:65986 rec.radio.swap:50886 Hi fellow hams: Still looking for info on Sinadder Model #S-101. Also willing to trade a goodie from the qrp junque box for good data. OR willing to pay cos- ts for repro's. Tnx, John, N5INZ From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:21 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!DIALix!not-for-mail From: pbarry@perth.DIALix.oz.au (Paul Barry) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Followup-To: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 12 Nov 1995 09:10:38 +0800 Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. Lines: 16 Sender: pbarry@perth.DIALix.oz.au Message-ID: <483hie$pci$1@perth.DIALix.oz.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pbarry@perth.dialix.oz.au Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37435 alt.paranet.ufo:45131 rec.radio.amateur.space:5692 Anthony John Xenos (ax823092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu) probably wrote: : : The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on : other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible, : and the universe is big) is ridiculous. Think about the beach analogy. : Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on. You : reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime. Would you : assume that the beach was made of dimes? Of course not. You could only begin [deleted] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Maybe not, but it sure WOULD be reasonable to conclude that the chances of finding another dime on a large beach is very high, as is the possibility of finding another civilized planet in a large universe. paul From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:22 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!tron!ops117.bwi.wec.com!cas From: cas@ops1.bwi.wec.com (Bob Casanova) Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (USEnet News Poster) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:31:07 GMT Lines: 32 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ops117.bwi.wec.com References: <483hie$pci$1@perth.DIALix.oz.au> Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corporation X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37492 alt.paranet.ufo:45178 rec.radio.amateur.space:5732 In article <483hie$pci$1@perth.DIALix.oz.au> pbarry@perth.DIALix.oz.au (Paul Barry) writes: >From: pbarry@perth.DIALix.oz.au (Paul Barry) >Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO >Date: 12 Nov 1995 09:10:38 +0800 >Anthony John Xenos (ax823092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu) probably wrote: >: >: The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on >: other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible, >: and the universe is big) is ridiculous. Think about the beach analogy. >: Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on. You >: reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime. Would you >: assume that the beach was made of dimes? Of course not. You could only begin >[deleted] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Maybe not, but it sure WOULD be reasonable to conclude that the chances >of finding another dime on a large beach is very high, as is the >possibility of finding another civilized planet in a large universe. Really? Please explain, keeping in mind that if the number of dimes in existence is unknown (as is the number of alien civilizations), the assumption that there are many can hardly be used as evidence that there are many. (Sounds circular, doesn't it? It is, as is your logic in the above paragraph. No flame; I just don't think you examined your statement before posting.) >paul Bob C. * Good, fast, cheap! (Pick 2) * From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:23 1995 Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sesqui.net!nb.rockwell.com!engr04.comsys.rockwell.com!MANFREDI From: manfredi@engr04.comsys.rockwell.com (Albert E. Manfredi) Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Message-ID: <1995Nov13.180637.9652@nb.rockwell.com> Sender: news@nb.rockwell.com Reply-To: manfredi@engr04.comsys.rockwell.com Organization: Rockwell Defense Electronics - Collins References: ,<483hie$pci$1@perth.DIALix.oz.au> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:06:37 GMT Lines: 25 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37505 alt.paranet.ufo:45213 rec.radio.amateur.space:5744 Anthony John Xenos (ax823092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu) probably wrote: > >The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on >other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible, >and the universe is big) is ridiculous. Think about the beach analogy. >Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on. You >reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime. Would you >assume that the beach was made of dimes? First of all, if you reach down on a _pebbly_ beach and pick out that unique-looking dime, you've already done some discriminating. I'm suggesting that our sun is by no means "unique" in the sense that dime is on the pebbly beach. As we discover more planets around other suns, I'll wager there will be plenty of others that will roughly fit the description of this one, in terms of distance from their sun. And seconly, if you reach down, on that pebbly beach, with your eyes closed and pick up a dime, are you really going to tell me that you would think that this is the _only_ dime on _all_ beaches of planet earth? I seriously doubt it. I think you'd say "Gee, ain't that great, I picked up a dime." Bert manfredi@engr05.comsys.rockwell.com From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:24 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Burt Fisher Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna Subject: THE biggest THE ham THE problem. Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:43:37 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4835e9$ks1@alterdial.UU.NET> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.172.47.193 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------46492684123405" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:50794 rec.radio.shortwave:65921 rec.radio.scanner:40587 rec.radio.amateur.space:5686 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31796 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94175 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11519 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21337 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12566 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17040 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------46492684123405 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From K1OIK: ---------------------------------46492684123405 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Frequently I hear hams say, THE name HERE is______. How often do you say when you meet someone (assuming your name is Charlie), THE name HERE is Charlie? You never do that right? After to do so is so impersonal and asinine that you would not want to seem like a fool-then why do it on the air? Just because you are a ham is no excuse not to be personal. Of course you could really sound like THE jerk of the year by saying, THE first personal here is Charlie (at least if you are not personal-you are using the word-albeit it in an extremely impersonal way). Also why say "here", is your name any different when you are "there?" 73 from we here (not there) at K1OIK where THE name are Burt. ---------------------------------46492684123405-- From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:26 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: asource@ix.netcom.com (InterSource ) Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade. Date: 12 Nov 1995 20:41:17 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 46 Message-ID: <485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-lv6-01.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Nov 12 12:41:17 PM PST 1995 Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52044 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4592 rec.pyrotechnics:37623 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17070 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12588 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21370 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11537 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94221 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31820 rec.radio.amateur.space:5707 rec.radio.cb:24398 rec.radio.noncomm:4963 rec.radio.scanner:40631 rec.radio.shortwave:65983 rec.radio.swap:50879 rec.roller-coaster:23176 rec.running:45204 rec.scouting:37605 rec.scuba:80205 rec.skiing.alpine:32815 In <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> Burt Fisher writes: > >I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we >have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for >something woth something). > > >From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM >To : K1OIK@KQ1K.MA.USA.NA Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious about that type of trade or was it a typo.> >Hello Burt, > >You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade? > >I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa bout dat? > >Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot >motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome >too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem der >is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the >driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also >gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX. > >Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they >would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come >with the house and the motorhome and the radio. > >If dat am OK, then weese got a deal! > >Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it? > >By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a >Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for it!!!!!!! > >73 de Chuck From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:27 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!grizzarv From: grizzarv@indirect.com (Robert V. Grizzard) Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade. Followup-To: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:49:34 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <485q5e$34s@globe.indirect.com> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52049 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4594 rec.pyrotechnics:37629 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17074 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12595 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21378 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11542 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94247 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31834 rec.radio.amateur.space:5715 rec.radio.cb:24402 rec.radio.noncomm:4965 rec.radio.scanner:40638 rec.radio.shortwave:66004 rec.radio.swap:50912 rec.roller-coaster:23179 rec.running:45220 rec.scouting:37611 rec.scuba:80218 rec.skiing.alpine:32831 InterSource (asource@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : In <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> Burt Fisher writes: : >From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM : >To : K1OIK@KQ1K.MA.USA.NA [chomp] Folks, can we trim those followup-to lines? This has nothing to do with pyrotechnics or rocketry. Or puzzles. Or skiing. Or - but you *do* have the idea, right? From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:28 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!wizard.pn.com!ci-pioneer!panda!org!org!*domain!*site!*user!intersource!intersource From: Intersource@Intersource@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Intersource) Date: 12 Nov 95 15:41:00 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade. Message-ID: Organization: Fidonet: PandA's Den BBS Usenet: SATINS/Net330 uucp gateway * PandA's Den BBS *Ne Lines: 56 From: asource@ix.netcom.com (InterSource ) Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade. Organization: Netcom In <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> Burt Fisher writes: > >I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we >have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for >something woth something). > > >From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM >To : K1OIK@KQ1K.MA.USA.NA Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious about that type of trade or was it a typo.> >Hello Burt, > >You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade? > >I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa bout dat? > >Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot >motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome >too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem der >is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the >driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also >gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX. > >Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they >would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come >with the house and the motorhome and the radio. > >If dat am OK, then weese got a deal! > >Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it? > >By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a >Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for it!!!!!!! > >73 de Chuck -- |Fidonet: Intersource 1:330/317 |Internet: Intersource@Intersource@*user@*site.*domain.org.org | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own. | PandA's Den BBS FidoNet < > internet gateway - email info@panda.org From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:30 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!fangz.com!whirlwind From: whirlwind@fangz.com () Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade. Followup-To: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine Date: 13 Nov 1995 17:23:23 GMT Organization: The DataXchange Network, Inc Lines: 11 Message-ID: <487uub$jod@news.dx.net> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fangz.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52066 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4601 rec.pyrotechnics:37651 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17093 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12610 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21397 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11553 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94274 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31843 rec.radio.amateur.space:5734 rec.radio.cb:24429 rec.radio.noncomm:4968 rec.radio.scanner:40673 rec.radio.shortwave:66039 rec.radio.swap:50946 rec.running:45249 rec.scouting:37628 rec.scuba:80256 rec.skiing.alpine:32872 Speaking of idiots, this wound up in a very inappropritate newsgroup. I've taken the liberty of leaving that newsgroup out of further discussion. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Barry K. Swank, Jr. Rochester, NY Whirlwind@fangz.com Sig under construction! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:31 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!i-2000.com!usenet From: dougrand@i-2000.com (Doug Randall) Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade. Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:08:45 GMT Organization: I-2000 Inc. - Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <488ff6$srk@i-2000.com> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: dougrand.dh.i-2000.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52072 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4603 rec.pyrotechnics:37654 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17096 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12613 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21406 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11557 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94279 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31845 rec.radio.amateur.space:5737 rec.radio.cb:24433 rec.radio.noncomm:4971 rec.radio.scanner:40679 rec.radio.shortwave:66045 rec.radio.swap:50955 rec.roller-coaster:23191 rec.running:45259 rec.scouting:37635 rec.scuba:80267 rec.skiing.alpine:32879 Burt Fisher wrote: >I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we >Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they >would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come >with the house and the motorhome and the radio. >By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a >Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for it!!!!!!! > >73 de Chuck Hello Chuck, I gotta Mercedes 350SL and it comes with a Alinco DR600. Been thinking that I might want to trade for those two beach bunnies if you don't want them any more... 73's Doug KN2Y From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:32 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!mixer.visi.com!usenet From: stevesam@visi.com (stevesam@visi.com) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade. Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:42:37 GMT Organization: Vector Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <488apa$f88@mixer.visi.com> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <487uub$jod@news.dx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stevesam.visi.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17103 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12615 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21411 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11562 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94284 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31849 rec.radio.amateur.space:5740 rec.radio.cb:24434 rec.radio.noncomm:4972 rec.radio.scanner:40681 rec.radio.shortwave:66052 rec.radio.swap:50959 whirlwind@fangz.com () wrote: >Speaking of idiots, this wound up in a very inappropritate newsgroup. I've >taken the liberty of leaving that newsgroup out of further discussion. Why not use your judgement and remove ALL inappropriate groups like I did? Me From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:33 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!mixer.visi.com!usenet From: stevesam@visi.com (stevesam@visi.com) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade. Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:22:05 GMT Organization: Vector Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <48ajd5$3pc@mixer.visi.com> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <488ff6$srk@i-2000.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stevesam.visi.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17113 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12625 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21423 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11569 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94303 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31855 rec.radio.amateur.space:5745 rec.radio.cb:24439 rec.radio.noncomm:4977 rec.radio.scanner:40696 rec.radio.shortwave:66065 rec.radio.swap:50970 crazyone@city-net.com (CrazyOne - Greg Pacek) wrote: >In article <488ff6$srk@i-2000.com>, dougrand@i-2000.com (Doug Randall) wrote: PLEASE check your subject lines people! REC.PYROTECHNICS DOESN'T CARE! Me From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:35 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech2!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu!afn17891 From: "Thomas W. Castle" Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.rad Subject: Re: The test. Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 23:44:05 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <482526$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet3.afn.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <482526$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52054 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4596 rec.pyrotechnics:37635 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17084 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12602 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21387 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11547 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94262 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31839 rec.radio.amateur.space:5726 Gee Burp... I see your going to be a pain in the ass in several news groups.... I don't know if your problem is caused RF, Magnetic fields or your just a plain foamer & drooler... Why don't you try some of the other news groups for some help? //www/ Dr. Kavor.@ death.com, Birth contol retro-active, or one of the www// sites for "Do it yourself Frontal lobotomy, Electro- shock therapy or just wait for your new Lithuim tablets to come in.... If your that bored with life an have nothing better to do than complain; maybe we can get you on the "Uni-B" X-mas mailing list... Don't go away mad just go away.... KD4QHH a.k.a. Tom From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:36 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: ando1@ix.netcom.com (Johnny B. Goode ) Newsgroups: sci.chem,sci.engr.manufacturing,misc.forsale,sci.med.radiology,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: VARIAN MICROWAVE AMPS&RELATED GEARmust sell prices neg. Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:57:02 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-ID: <48d9le$csi@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: atl-ga6-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Nov 15 9:57:02 AM PST 1995 Xref: news.epix.net sci.chem:54662 sci.engr.manufacturing:8793 sci.med.radiology:4048 rec.radio.amateur.space:5758 FOR SALE- OR TRADE:: Varian VZX6983G5GLM 8-12.4 ghz 53db gain 200watt Xband amp (new) $16,000. Varian VZM6993051505 12-18ghz 53db gain 200watt KU band amp (new)$13,000. Varian VZX6981KADEH 8-12.4ghz 40db gain 20 watt Xband amp(1007 hrs.)$7,500. L&R Communications low noise amp local controle & monitor Scientific Atlanta Antenna Motor Controler Mod.# 8841A Arbiter Systems Satelite Controled clock mod.#1026B LAMDA LFS-44-48 Digital H7100A Scientific Atlanta 3267260 mod.#4663R " " Digital Processing Unit mod.#7325 " " Signal Source mod.#2180 " "Power Amp 3080 Pedestal Datum Digital Clock Texas Instruments XDS/22 Illuminator 12 Schlumberger Test Fixture Kit cases Canoga Perkins fiber optics Bus Interface Aerotech 1000 D.C. Permanent Magnet Servo Motor 560sq.ft. S.C.I.F.(secure compartemented information facility)3 rooms,all electronic filters,etc... Frequency West mod.MO-109XB-17 serial 320 1435omhz Midwest Microwave mod1044 Step Athenuator D.C. 8.0ghz Dishes,300' wave guid,and alot more 404-923-5726 From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:37 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!simtel!news2.acs.oakland.edu!ouchem.chem.oakland.edu!jbartlo From: jbartlo@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu (Joseph Bartlo) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Weather Card for PC? Date: 15 Nov 1995 07:28:42 GMT Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <48c4ra$ljm@news2.acs.oakland.edu> References: <1995Nov6.205142.18076@schbbs.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ouchem.chem.oakland.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] billh@gn2.getnet.com wrote: : In article , writes: : > Just wondering why anyone would use "Multifax" in the advent of the : incredible : > weather servers found on the net? I am not familiar with 'Multifax', but can offer some very good reasons why shortwave satellite imagery receivers provide more reliable images of much better quality than on I-net. I have only used systems of ERIM (Environmental Research Institute in Michigan) and Bob Allen in Adelaide, Australia, but several advantages are: * Images can be downloaded in real time. Thus, they are available for interpretation and aid to weather prediction *immediately*. * They are more reliable, although downloading may sometimes be a problem. * One can use software to more effectively zoom on areas of interest. * Temperature data is stored in pixels of the satellites scan, so that temperatures of ground and clouds are available. Because of that, a user can enhance images as they choose. * METEOR and NOAA polar orbiter images are often available. I am happy to have images available on I-net, but would rather download them to make accurate weather predictions. Josef Bartlo From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:47:38 1995 Path: news.epix.net!peach.epix.net!jyakoski From: Joseph Yakoski Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: WTB: FT 726 or FT 736 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 16:24:04 -0500 Organization: epix.net Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: peach.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello to you all. I am looking for a Yaesu FT 726 or a FT 736 for my brother. If anyone has anything to sell, e-mail to me at jyakoski@epix.net Thank You.. Joseph Yakoski N3JNX From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:35 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!mgate.arrl.org!usenet From: w1aw@arrl.org Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: ARLS023 AMSAT on TV on Friday Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.space Date: 16 Nov 1995 18:20:11 -0500 Organization: American Radio Relay League Lines: 38 Sender: root@mgate.arrl.org Approved: mtracy@arrl.org Message-ID: <$arls023.1995@ampr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mgate.arrl.org Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.info:10407 rec.radio.amateur.space:5776 SB SPACE @ ARL $ARLS023 ARLS023 AMSAT on TV on Friday ZCZC AS03 QST de W1AW Space Bulletin 023 ARLS023 From ARRL Headquarters Newington, CT November 15, 1995 To all radio amateurs SB SPACE ARL ARLS023 ARLS023 AMSAT on TV on Friday Here's an update on Amateur Radio's next scheduled appearance on network television. The cable television Sci-Fi Channel on Friday evening's (November 17) ''Inside Space'' program will show a broad overview of the activities over the years of the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), along with scenes and accompanying discussion of other Amateur Radio activities, according to the latest word from AMSAT Executive Vice President Keith Baker, KB1SF. Tentative plans are for airings on Friday evening the 17th at 9 PM Eastern Time and later in the weekend. Footage shot recently by the Sci-Fi Channel of AMSAT Phase 3-D satellite construction and testing at the AMSAT laboratory in Orlando will be held for possible airing on ''Inside Space'' sometime late next year, closer to the projected launch date for the satellite, Baker said. ''Inside Space'' will air Friday, November 17, at 9 PM Eastern Time and again at 1 AM ET on the 18th. An additional airing of the program is set for 11 AM ET on Sunday, November 19. NNNN /EX From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:35 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!news From: "John W. Edwards" Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Best WEFAX card? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:54:33 -0500 Organization: CDC Internet - 423/842-5709 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <30B08899.125D2E8F@accurate-automation.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gotham.accurate-automation.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.3 i586) Could anyone suggest a good WEFAX card to me for the GEOS sats which includes decent user interface software? Any pointer would be appreciated... -- ------------------------------------------------------- John W. Edwards Accurate Automation Corporation jedwards@accurate-automation.com Office - (615) 894 - 4646 ------------------------------------------------------- From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:36 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!sparky.insinc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!simtel!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!hpqmoea!dstock From: dstock@hpqmdla.sqf.hp.com (David Stockton) Subject: Re: Burt Fisher jokes not funny Sender: news@hpqmoea.sqf.hp.com (SQF News Admin) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:52:13 GMT References: <4867e4$l55@alterdial.UU.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpqmocc.sqf.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Followup-To: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna Lines: 15 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:51097 rec.radio.shortwave:66148 rec.radio.scanner:40777 rec.radio.amateur.space:5765 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31900 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94399 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11612 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21470 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12651 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17158 Burt Fisher (k1oik@ccsnet.com) wrote: : Then why do I get frequent messages that appreciate my comments? Is this the first contact with non-human sapient entities ? Or is someone going to suggest that any message that likes Burt's humour.......... No, who would be so cruel ? Cheers, David From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:37 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.heurikon.com!uwvax!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl6.crl.com!not-for-mail From: arthurc@crl.com (Arthur Chandler) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: EME / Moonbounce Date: 16 Nov 1995 21:02:33 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 5 Message-ID: <48h519$q7l@crl6.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl6.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Can anyone direct me to individuals or groups and clubs -- preferably on the West Coast -- that are active in EME? Thanks! -- Arthur KO6OA From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:38 1995 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!simtel!torn!news.bc.net!lancelot.dowco.com!NewsWatcher!user From: ve7zvz@dowco.com (Scott Leaf) Subject: Re: EME / Moonbounce Sender: news@dowco.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:44:55 GMT References: <48h519$q7l@crl6.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 206.12.26.38 Organization: Mountain DX Club VA7SM Keywords: moonbounce, eme, amateur, radio. space Lines: 18 In article <48h519$q7l@crl6.crl.com>, arthurc@crl.com (Arthur Chandler) wrote: -> Can anyone direct me to individuals or groups and clubs -- preferably -> on the West Coast -- that are active in EME? -> Thanks! -> -> -- Arthur KO6OA VE7SCC, Coquitlam, British Columbia will be operating an EME site with evening scheds in the near future. The station is currently all apart during a renovation and revamp of some equipment. If you are interested in EME I can keep your email address for future scheds. -- Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ ve7zvz@dowco.com Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To boldy VHF where no ham has VHFed before" From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:39 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Burt Fisher Newsgroups: radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Even my wife thinks hams are... Date: 17 Nov 1995 22:59:22 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <48j44a$5i6@alterdial.UU.NET> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <485q5e$34s@globe.indirect.com> <48fo6h$fk8@news1.inlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.172.47.193 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12672 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21512 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11630 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31925 rec.radio.amateur.space:5775 I received a call today from a ham who would not identify himself. I repeatedly asked him who he was, even saying to him that if he had an opinion worth anything it is reasonable to expect he state who he was. Still he he refused. I then commented that he was "so typical ham, no guts." My wife then told me to get off the phone and stop wasting time with gutless hams who hide behind their mikes. As I made one more effort to identify the caller, he hung up. He also made a veiled threat that bad things would happen to me, I retorted I might take it more seriously if he were not a gutless ham. This call is just so typical of hams, brave at a distance. From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:40 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Burt Fisher Newsgroups: radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Even my wife thinks hams are... Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:42:05 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <48nfnt$781@alterdial.UU.NET> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <485q5e$34s@globe.indirect.com> <48fo6h$fk8@news1.inlink.com> <48j44a$5i6@alterdial.UU.NET> <48mc8e$lli@sanews.uswc.uswest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.172.47.193 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: damason "Dennis A. Mason" wrote: >Burt must be a Chicken Bander. Why? #================#=====================================================# | Burt Fisher | Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics | | Amateur call | South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod) | | K1OIK | The less you say, the more people will remember | #================#=====================================================# | k1oik@ccsnet.com fisher@meol.mass.edu | #======================================================================# From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:41 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Burt Fisher Newsgroups: radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Even my wife thinks hams are... Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:42:18 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <48nfoa$781@alterdial.UU.NET> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <485q5e$34s@globe.indirect.com> <48fo6h$fk8@news1.inlink.com> <48j44a$5i6@alterdial.UU.NET> <48mc8e$lli@sanews.uswc.uswest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.172.47.193 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) "Dennis A. Mason" wrote: >Burt must be a Chicken Bander. Why? #================#=====================================================# | Burt Fisher | Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics | | Amateur call | South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod) | | K1OIK | The less you say, the more people will remember | #================#=====================================================# | k1oik@ccsnet.com fisher@meol.mass.edu | #======================================================================# From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:43 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Burt Fisher Newsgroups: adio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Even my wife thinks hams are... Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:41:46 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <48nfna$781@alterdial.UU.NET> References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> <47uhb8$dfq@odo.PEAK.ORG> <481qu5$imv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> <485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <485q5e$34s@globe.indirect.com> <48fo6h$fk8@news1.inlink.com> <48j44a$5i6@alterdial.UU.NET> <48mc8e$lli@sanews.uswc.uswest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.172.47.193 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: damason Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.policy:31952 rec.radio.amateur.space:5786 "Dennis A. Mason" wrote: >Burt must be a Chicken Bander. Why? #================#=====================================================# | Burt Fisher | Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics | | Amateur call | South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod) | | K1OIK | The less you say, the more people will remember | #================#=====================================================# | k1oik@ccsnet.com fisher@meol.mass.edu | #======================================================================# From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:44 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech2!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.nevada.edu!silver.scs.unr.edu!news.unr.edu!usenet From: "Luis B.R." Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.digital,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm Subject: Get us off "ham" thread, please Date: 17 Nov 1995 21:39:50 GMT Organization: Univ. of Nevada-Reno Lines: 41 Message-ID: <48ivf6$2pv@umbra.unr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.197.32.134 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: asource@ix.netcom.com X-URL: news:485m5d$gqq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52170 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12668 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21504 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11624 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94419 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31914 rec.radio.amateur.space:5771 rec.radio.cb:24499 rec.radio.noncomm:4991 asource@ix.netcom.com (InterSource ) wrote: >In <4825eh$k1h@alterdial.UU.NET> Burt Fisher writes: > >> >>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we >>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for >>something woth something). >> >> >>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM >>To : K1OIK@KQ1K.MA.USA.NA > > >Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on >Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for >sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious >about that type of trade or was it a typo.> {snippage} Would you PLEASE remove rec.skiing.alpine from your posting header for this thread. We've been trying to remove this thread for a fe= w days now. We greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance. Your friends at rec.skiing.alpine From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:45 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ulowell.uml.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news2.acs.oakland.edu!detroit.freenet.org!detroit.freenet.org!aa024 From: aa024@detroit.freenet.org (Kenneth Vito Zichi) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.swap Subject: Hams please read .... Date: 18 Nov 1995 20:10:55 GMT Organization: Greater Detroit Free-Net, Detroit, MI Lines: 18 Message-ID: <48lekf$b9k@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: aa024@detroit.freenet.org (Kenneth Vito Zichi) NNTP-Posting-Host: detroit.freenet.org Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17204 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12685 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21533 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11646 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94464 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31941 rec.radio.amateur.space:5780 rec.radio.cb:24521 rec.radio.noncomm:4995 rec.radio.scanner:40863 rec.radio.swap:51239 If you guys want to spam all the rec radio amateur gorups I couldn't care less but why the H*ll are these stupid ham debate posts spilling into the shortwave, scanner and puzzles (among others) groups. Watch the reply lines guys. One spam is bad enough but when you all reply to all the groups it is just plain RUDE. Leave the rest of us in peace -- and if your must spam, do it via e-mail to the original poster and again, leave the rest of us in peace. Thanks for letting me rant. 73 //kvz -- kv zichi, aa024@detroit.freenet.org (PGP Public Key Available on Request) "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrante" --Dante Kind of appropriate for the Internet, eh? From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:46 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu!isnews.csc.calpoly.edu!hertz.elee.calpoly.edu!ceustaqu From: Cal Eustaquio Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.swap Subject: Re: Hams please read .... Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:49:12 -0800 Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <48lekf$b9k@detroit.freenet.org> <48rbap$2um@maureen.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hertz.elee.calpoly.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: ceustaqu In-Reply-To: <48rbap$2um@maureen.teleport.com> Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17240 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12714 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21584 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11671 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94545 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31964 rec.radio.amateur.space:5792 rec.radio.cb:24562 rec.radio.noncomm:4997 rec.radio.scanner:40938 rec.radio.swap:51380 Dan: One meaning may be for "Society for the Presevation of Amplitude Modulation." Otherwise, its a generic term for a meat product that was invented during WW2 that is still put out in the market by Hormel (I think). On 21 Nov 1995, Daniel Calzaretta wrote: > I'm new to this. What does "spam" mean? Is it Italian or Latin for > something? > > > From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:47 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!serv.HiNet.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!storm.atms.purdue.edu!bap From: BRETSKI Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: I have a packet log of MIR available. Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:15:32 -0500 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 41 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.atms.purdue.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII HELLO FROM MIR-20 CREW: YURIJ & TOMAS & SERGEJ !!! --------------------------------------------------------- I have a log from my packet that runs from [11/12/95 13:24:09] to [11/15/95 07:07:56] EST. It isn't pretty. It isn't continuous. I have edited lots of it out like billions of lines of BEACONS. Below are SOME of the calls I captured during that time. AA2WQ AA8RV AA9KQ AB6YO AB9V EN60RG G3ZCZ K5JW K6EHA K9DSQ KB5JRA KB5TZF KB5UMU KB8KBI KB8LLL KB9BWS KB9LTW KC4FSW KC4UG KC5AOY KC5EMH KC5GVS KC5LZB KC7DBA KC7HSN KD4UPF KE4AEB KE4AR KE4IAM KE4WAW KE4ZRM KG0BK KJ5FG KT4DQ N0ALJ N0PCD N0PDD N0ULJ N0VJN N0ZHE N1PPP N1UML N2JNT N2RIF N3BHY N3BZW N3JLQ N3QZC N3SHN N3SQF N4DB N4HUV N5VIN N5YPJ N5ZEV N8AAQ N8DEU N8EYF N8LRG N8NTS N8QYN N8TDL N9LLO N9MLW N9PIW N9ZZD VA2CND VA3DVC VE1ECN VE2AKX VE2JOR VE3GUN VE3VRW VE4DE VE4LU VE4MP VE4UB VE5GW VE6DGG VK6YJS W1QJR W1ZNY W2CJ W3ADO W3ANX W4HBK W6GBF W8KZM W9BNF WA0VQY WA2GSY WA3IMF WA4VAF WA5QAI WB8PLS WB9JEJ WB9YDL WD9ATU WK3N WW3S WZ0W ------------------------------------------------------------------- To retrieve: ftp 128.210.14.31 anonymous whatever_password cd pub cd BRET get MIR145.550 quit -------------------------------------------------------------------- BRET A. PENNINGTON / COMPUTER TECHNICIAN /EARTH AND ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES CIVL 4252 317-494-0678 / PURDUE UNIVERSITY / WEST LAFAYETTE, INDIANA 47907 bap@storm.atms.purdue.edu/ N9ZFF@W9YB.IN.USA.NA / speaking only for myself. /\/\/\/\/\/ __... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ N9ZFF /\/\/\/\/\/ ...__ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:48 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!uwm.edu!homer.alpha.net!pacifier!mac1.pacifier.com!user From: gsnow@pacifier.com (Gary Snow) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.space.shuttle Subject: Re: I Just Worked Atlantis! Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:43:55 -0800 Organization: Are you kidding??? Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <48knf7$1afk@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac1.pacifier.com X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.space:5793 sci.space.shuttle:37760 In article <48knf7$1afk@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca>, btaylor@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca (Brent Taylor) wrote: > I just spoke with Mission Specialist MacArthur, KC5ACR, at 1253 hrs > UTC on Saturday, November 18th, 1995. > > I was on the standard 2-meter 145.84/144.45 split. > > Atlantis was to my Northeast, near the end of its pass over my area. Ok, you were on 2-meters, what was that exact equipment you were using, antenna and all! Great job! Gary --- gsnow@pacifier.com <-----====()====-----> http://www.pacifier.com/~gsnow/ Vancouver, WA's On-Ramp to the Information SuperHighway (360) 693-0325 telnet to "pods.pacifier.com" (press return 2x) or dial the above to register From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:50 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!metro!news From: Algis Lencus Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Life elsewere ?? Was: UFO ... Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:53:30 -0800 Organization: Information Technology Services, The University of Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 86 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <30AE55DA.7A39@extro.ucc.su.oz.au> References: <1995Nov7.193317.10289@nb.rockwell.com>,<486lov$jda@mirv.unsw.edu.au> <1995Nov13.173235.9022@nb.rockwell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts-h08-15-5.ucc.su.oz.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2a (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37636 alt.paranet.ufo:45392 rec.radio.amateur.space:5774 Albert E. Manfredi wrote: > > In article <486lov$jda@mirv.unsw.edu.au>, Georgios Tsoukalas writes: > > >[The creationists] argument is that look at how many > >things could have gone wrong ! To start chemistry .. if ice didn't float > >there would be no life ... (There are thousands of those). Then > >astronomy ... if the earth wasn't this big, this far from the sun. > >If the sun wasn't this big. Then we have history (for any historical > >figure we are a virtual impossibility ie. think of the chance any one > >sperm has :-) ) And so on. All these lead to the current events being > >practicaly impossible. So it may be that the probability that life > >can occur anywere again is zero if we round it to to X number of > >zeroes. (Think X being big enough to exclude all planets) > > > We only assume that the reason life exists are those chemical > >reactions that occured on earth. What if we assume that the only reason life > >exists are the exact conditions as well as the order of events. > > > >>3. We know that water exists elsewhere in the universe (e.g. in comets), > >>so that important ingredient is not unique to Earth. > > > > That means practicaly nothing. If 50% of the reason life exists > >is water, it's like saying that you need 100 ingreadiants to make a "X", > >if you ensure that 50 are there. > > I don't know of anyone who thinks the _ingredients_ are missing elsewhere > in the universe. Water was just an example of a very necessary one. Another > ingredient is that we need _planets_. Well, until very recently we knew > of no other planets. But even then, I though it was preposterous to think > that _earth_ was the only planet in the vastness of the universe. > > >Same argument as above > >you need the whole history of earth in the order it occured as well as > >earth. > > Not true. Again, I'm not saying that life has to be in the same form as > it is here. Even if life doesn't progress beyond protozoa, it's still > life. Even if the higher life forms are structured entirely differently > from life forms here, it's life anyway. > > >>4. And finally, to me this is a little bit like picking up a grain of > >>sand on one beach, just one grain, and swearing that _this_ grain is > >>fundamentally different from all other grains of sand in every beach > >>on earth. Failing chemical analysis of even a single other grain, I > >>suppose one might wonder if it were true. But most reasonable people > >>would _speculate_ that bullshit, this grain is probably very similar to > >>zillions of others. > > > > If the exact molecule count as well as the order those molecules > >are aranged is what matters ... good luck finding a second. > > I'm not looking for a twin of earth. Just life elsewhere. There are plenty > of suns out there, although I would challenge anyone to come up with > one that is _identical_ to ours. > > Bert > manfredi@engr05.comsys.rockwell.com First of all, what's this stuff doing in a sci.space.* group? As for creationists, they're theory directly acknowledges their self-centeredness: our planet and the universe was created just for us. They've got it the other way around: we and everything else were created for this planet. Algis From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:51 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.io.com!io.com!not-for-mail From: billp@io.com (Bill Peterson) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Life elsewere ?? Was: UFO ... Date: 20 Nov 1995 00:53:09 -0600 Organization: Illuminati Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <48p8kl$5pe@xanadu.io.com> References: <1995Nov7.193317.10289@nb.rockwell.com> <486lov$jda@mirv.unsw.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: xanadu.io.com Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37724 alt.paranet.ufo:45536 rec.radio.amateur.space:5789 In article <486lov$jda@mirv.unsw.edu.au>, > We only assume that the reason life exists are those chemical >reactions that occured on earth. What if we assume that the only reason life >exists are the exact conditions as well as the order of events. When the earth >cooled, what the temperature of the sun was and when. The creation >of the layers of atmosphere since the earth began (no ozone layer now no life, >if there was an ozone layer then no life). You cannot doubt the fact that The argument against that, at least in my mind, is that life is very tenacious and adaptable. Life at the bottom of the ocean lives off of volcanic vents and uses a completely different metabolism than ours. Oxygen would kill it. Life in Yellowstone lives in hot springs above the boiling point. I think the constant rain of organic molecules (spread out in space) and the existance of water-based terrestrial planets (predicted by comfortable planetary theories of formulation) will create conditions close enough to allow life. The real question is, WHEN and WHERE? Are they close enough, and current enough? BP -- ---------------------------------------- Disclaimer: my thoughts are not my own. From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:52 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!gate.centigram.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: wa5whn@ix.netcom.com (Jay Miller) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: MIR/STS-74 Date: 16 Nov 1995 13:29:22 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <48febi$mdc@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: alb-nm1-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Nov 16 5:29:22 AM PST 1995 On the 5:56 AM MST pass over Albuquerque, New Mexico (Nov. 16, 1995), there were no signals from either craft, on the frequencies specified in previous bulletins (145.55 MHz, 145.84), however, a great visual of a fast moving bright object (estimated magnitude of -1) (MIR/STS-74) had made up for no VHF Amateur Radio activity from STS-74/MIR. 73...Jay, WA5WHN From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:53 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns.pilot.net!news2.pilot.net!xilinx!neocad.xilinx.com!uucp-1.csn.net!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!yuma!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!yale!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!nimble.mta.ca!mailserv.mta.ca!pcs From: pcs@mailserv.mta.ca (Paul Case) Newsgroups: rec.skiing.alpine,rec.scuba,rec.scouting,rec.running,rec.roller-coaster,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amate Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:50:26 Organization: Mount Allison University Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <309FBFAE.6F6A@hawaii.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.73.15.213 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.epix.net rec.skiing.alpine:33163 rec.scuba:80538 rec.scouting:37770 rec.running:45451 rec.roller-coaster:23228 rec.radio.swap:51148 rec.radio.shortwave:66181 rec.radio.scanner:40814 rec.radio.noncomm:4992 rec.radio.cb:24503 rec.radio.amateur.space:5773 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31919 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94426 In article CyberHals@pi-user.pi.net writes: >From: CyberHals@pi-user.pi.net >Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You? >Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:07:11 PDT >Get fucked by a German shepard. Why, is that what you do for fun? From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:54 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsat!engineer.mrg.uswest.com!news.uoregon.edu!mayonews.mayo.edu!newsdist.tc.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: lwjames@ix.netcom.com (Lawrence James) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: New version of MacGPS available Date: 19 Nov 1995 01:38:55 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <48m1rf$qkq@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-den10-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Nov 18 5:38:55 PM PST 1995 A new version of MacGPS, free software for uploading/downloading waypoints, tracks, etc., from Garmin GPS receivers, is available from the info-mac mirror sites such as ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/info-mac/sci/larrys-mac-gps Larry James, KG0GB From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:55 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.magicnet.net!news.supernet.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.net99.net!news.fc.net!news.infocom.net!usenet From: pss@infocom.net (Chris DuPont) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Satellite Tracking Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:24:49 -0600 (CST) Organization: InfoCom Networks, Houston, Tx Lines: 34 Message-ID: <48easr$ohv@news.infocom.net> References: <478mum$lph@detroit.freenet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip21.infocom.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.38 Have you taken a look at Micro Orbiter 3.0? It is not a Windows program but I think you will be quite impressed with the level of graphics. It comes very close to the same level of graphics that you see on NASA TV with DEMOS. A sample of the graphics along with a demo version can be found at: http://www.infocom.net/~pss Chris... Kory Hamzeh wrote: >On 1 Nov 1995, Roland B. Burgan wrote: >> >> Is this a Windows (3.1) based program, or if not, does anyone >> know of a good satelitte tracking program for Windows. I'm >> currently using STSPLUS for Dos, which does fine, but would >> like t run in Windows 3.1 . >> -- >> >Try winorb, It's very nice and I beleive it's either public domain or >shareware, I'm not sure. It's ussually on ftp.amsat.org or oak.oakland.edu. >Kory From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:30:56 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!sislnews.csc.ti.com!usenet From: durham@lobby.ti.com (Ken Durham) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: STS-74 Contact Without Good KEPS Date: 19 Nov 1995 18:24:36 GMT Organization: sc.ti.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <48nsp4$7vv@superb.csc.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pppsb3.itg.ti.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 *Finally* made contact with Atlantis. Just luck, since all the KEPS I have found don't agree with NASA Select reportings of position. The AF NORAD KEPS update clerk must be one of the "nonessential" government employees since there are no new KEPS from that site. The ARRL KEPS posted here are from yesterday and result in about 30 minutes error in AOS. The pile up must have been tremendous cause KC5ACR was acknowledging calls as fast as he could get on and off of the mike button. If anyone knows of a good source of *fresh* KEPS, let me know so I can use them for the next shuttle in case the political blackmail is holding new KEPS hostage :) HOORAY! K5MBV From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:07:54 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!sea-ts2-p39.wolfenet.com!kyrrin From: kyrrin@wolfenet.com (Bruce Lane) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Antenna assistance Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:08:46 PDT Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Lines: 31 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts2-p39.wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Hello, fellow hamateurs... Considering that I've not done anything remotely resembling antenna math for at least ten years, I need a bit of assistance. Specifically, I'd like to construct an antenna that will allow me to pick up the GOES West bird at 468.8250. This is due to my acquisition of a neat little clock that will display NIST time based on the sat signal, and will also provide an IRIG-B time code output. I'm told that I'll need circular polarization, right-handed, and some suggested types so far have been quadrifilar, Yagi, or helical. Based on my own limited knowledge, and the fact that I'm in an apartment and cannot put up any sort of supporting structure, I feel that a helical would be best. Please correct me if this is a bad assumption. The clock unit has a receiver built in. All I need is to connect an appropriate antenna and let it lock on to the bird. What I need are design specs for such an antenna, hopefully something that I can build without more than hand tools or breaking the bank. Another option is to purchase a surplus commercially-made antenna. If anyone knows of a source for such, that would also be appreciated. For reference, the clock involved is a Kinemetrics/Truetime model 468-DC. The manufacturer is already sending me a manual for it. Thanks in advance. E-mail to kyrrin@wolfenet.com, please. ==Bruce From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:07:55 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!au156 From: au156@yfn.ysu.edu (Hank Riley) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: December 2 Colorado ATV/Repeater Balloon Launch Date: 26 Nov 1995 02:52:09 GMT Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 39 Message-ID: <498kop$d53@news.ysu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu EOSS-25: CENTRAL COLORADO REPEATER/ATV BALLOON LAUNCH Region: Central Colorado Date/Time: December 2 / 8:00 AM MST, 15:00 UTC Location: Colorado Springs, US AIr Force Academy Site Coordinates: 39' 00.56" North Lat. 104' 52.90" West Long. ATV: a. [EOSS] 426.25 MHz AM (1 watt output) NTSC color b. [AFA] 439.25 MHz AM (1 watt output) NTSC color VHF/UHF Repeater: 446.000 MHz FM Input 147.555 MHz FM Output Beacons: 144.34 MHz Morse ID audio on FM (periodic; frequency shared with packet telemetry) Telemetry: a. [EOSS] 144.340 MHz FM (1 Watt output) AX.25, 1200 baud mostly plain english text; includes APRS position data string. b. [AFA] 146.455 Mhz FM, AX.25, 1200 baud; special telemetry format. HF Net: 7.235 Mhz SSB For additional launch data and general Edge of Space Sciences (EOSS) information: http://www.usa.net/~rickvg/eoss.htm maintained by Rick von Glahn rickvg@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------- posted by Hank Riley, N1LTV Please email news of upcoming balloon launches and post-flight reports for distribution on the Net. h1riley@umassd.edu au156@yfn.ysu.edu From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:07:56 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ecrc.de!news.mch.sni.de!news.scn.de!news From: Guenter Koellner Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: EME / Moonbounce Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:40:25 -0800 Organization: Siemens AG, TN EM A 33 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <30B103D9.1852@SCN.DE> References: <48h519$q7l@crl6.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.20.20.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: Scott Leaf hello folks, I am also interested in any EME skeds. Any station with 4 antennas and abt. 500W should be possible here (my preamp needs a new tuning as soon as the weather will allow). Rig here: 6 times 33ele DJ9BV-OPT70 (see my homepage...) K2RIW amp 2*4CX250 1kW out, 750 at antenna MGF1302 IC475 Maybe someone is interested... Skeds please during the week as I am usually at my girlfriend during weekends... vy 73, Guenter, DL4MEA@DB0KCP.#BAY.DEU.EU (AX.25) KOELLNER@SCN.DE (Internet) HTTP://WWW.SCN.DE/~KOELLNER (WWW) UO-22, KO-23 & KO-25 (Pacsats) From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:07:57 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!bbs.mhv.net!Thomas.Randall From: Thomas.Randall@bbs.mhv.net (Thomas Randall) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.space.shuttle Subject: Re: I Just Worked Atlantis! Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.space.shuttle Date: 22 Nov 1995 01:57:22 GMT Organization: MHVNet, the Mid Hudson Valley's Internet connection Lines: 22 Message-ID: <48u022$t5k@over.mhv.net> References: <48knf7$1afk@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: Thomas.Randall@bbs.mhv.net NNTP-Posting-Host: csbh.mhv.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.space:5797 sci.space.shuttle:37779 Brent Taylor (btaylor@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca) wrote: : I just spoke with Mission Specialist MacArthur, KC5ACR, at 1253 hrs : UTC on Saturday, November 18th, 1995. : I was on the standard 2-meter 145.84/144.45 split. : Atlantis was to my Northeast, near the end of its pass over my area. : Brent S.D. Taylor - VE1JH | Central Park 1965-1971 : Doaktown on the Miramichi | Meadowbrook 1971-1973 : New Brunswick, Canada | Lachine High 1973-1975 : Grid Square FN66WN | Looking for exiles... : r.a.s.n./ NASCAR / MWDX / 6M VUCC #5481 Congrats! I heard him on one pass but there was quite the pile up. I couldn't raise him. Better luck in MArch with the next Sarex mission! For now I'll just have to keep trying Mir. Tom - KB2SMS From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:07:58 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!nbt.nbnet.nb.ca!news From: btaylor@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca (Brent Taylor) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.space.shuttle Subject: Re: I Just Worked Atlantis! Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:59:18 GMT Organization: NB*Net Lines: 22 Message-ID: <494fjg$p64@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> References: <48knf7$1afk@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: btaylor.nbnet.nb.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.space:5818 sci.space.shuttle:37880 gsnow@pacifier.com (Gary Snow) wrote: >Ok, you were on 2-meters, what was that exact equipment you were using, >antenna and all! It was a simple Kenwood (1987 vintage) TH-205 AT, emitting about 5 watts into a 30W linear amplifier, up a 70' run of RG-213 and into an 11-element vertically polarized yagi at 60 feet. >Great job! Thanks! I worked them again the day after. I'll be watching next time. Brent S.D. Taylor - VE1JH | Central Park 1965-1971 Doaktown on the Miramichi | Meadowbrook 1971-1973 New Brunswick, Canada | Lachine High 1973-1975 Grid Square FN66WN | Looking for exiles... r.a.s.n./ NASCAR / MWDX / 6M VUCC #5481 From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:07:59 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!simtel!torn!news.unb.ca!nbt.nbnet.nb.ca!news From: btaylor@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca (Brent Taylor) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.space.shuttle Subject: Re: I Just Worked Atlantis! Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:59:20 GMT Organization: NB*Net Lines: 23 Message-ID: <494fjh$p64@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> References: <48knf7$1afk@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> <48u022$t5k@over.mhv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: btaylor.nbnet.nb.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.space:5819 sci.space.shuttle:37881 Thomas.Randall@bbs.mhv.net (Thomas Randall) wrote: > Congrats! I heard him on one pass but there was quite the pile up. I >couldn't raise him. Better luck in MArch with the next Sarex mission! For >now I'll just have to keep trying Mir. >Tom - KB2SMS I think I had quite a bit of luck because some of the northerly passes were probably not well-heard in W1, 2 and 3 land. I had much of the pass all to myself. That's two (Atlantis and Discovery) down and two to go. (I just wish I was on the other end of the pile-up!) Brent S.D. Taylor - VE1JH | Central Park 1965-1971 Doaktown on the Miramichi | Meadowbrook 1971-1973 New Brunswick, Canada | Lachine High 1973-1975 Grid Square FN66WN | Looking for exiles... r.a.s.n./ NASCAR / MWDX / 6M VUCC #5481 From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:07:59 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!matlock.mindspring.com!usenet From: wave@mindspring.com (Pieter Ibelings) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: I see UFO. Date: 22 Nov 1995 23:11:34 GMT Organization: -.-. --.- -.. -..- Lines: 4 Message-ID: <490an6$he8@firehose.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wave.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 yes. I did. From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:08:00 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.azstarnet.com!usenet From: Buster Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Is AO-27 Available Non-Weekends? Date: 22 Nov 1995 23:21:07 GMT Organization: http://users.aimnet.com:8000/~scot/jensens.html Lines: 6 Message-ID: <490b93$t86@news.azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr5ip22.azstarnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Now that the company that owns AO-27 is pretty much through with it is available on weekdays? Buster From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:08:01 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.icon.net!usenet From: Steve Sampson Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Societies Unwashed: The sin and the apology Date: 23 Nov 1995 15:14:03 GMT Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <49233r$ke@news.icon.net> References: <48vn5a$f2g@umbra.unr.edu> <4908rk$ir4@alterdial.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: okc123.icon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i486) X-URL: news:4908rk$ir4@alterdial.UU.NET Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17288 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12758 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21662 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11715 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94635 rec.radio.amateur.policy:32001 rec.radio.amateur.space:5812 I used to be shocked when my private electronic mail was published. About as shocked as my love letters being printed in a book. I find there are no morals in America, and no self discipline. Only a scum would resort to publishing a private letter. I used to put a little line in my signature that said PRIVATE, but then the scum just erased that part. I'm glad you identified the scum who published your private mail. Said scum should be banished from the net. Write his postmaster. From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:08:02 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sesqui.net!oitnews.harvard.edu!purdue!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!usenet From: Tom Clark Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Sounds from space Date: 24 Nov 1995 04:22:25 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <493ha1$p7t@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <493165$m1s@park.interport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vlbi.gsfc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 32bit) Except for the pulsars (at UHF and low microwave frequencies) and Jupiter (at HF frequencies), all the radio stars, external galaxies, etc are wideband noise. They sound exactly the same as you get when you tune in "dead air" on your radio. When heard with enough sensitivity, the pulsars have a sound that is something like a clock ticking at rates from a fraction of a second to a couple of seconds. If you have enough sensitivity in the 15-20 MHz range, Jupiter can sound like waves breaking on a beach, occasionally punctuated with a few "machine gun" bursts. So Radio Astronomers seldom really "listen" to the signals because they are very boring! The "see" the objects by clever signal processing and computer image enhancement. You can see some of the "pictures" by looking at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory's WWW pages. To start, click on "VLA" at http://www.nrao.edu/ and in particular take a look at http://www.nrao.edu/doc/vla/html/VLA-images.html 73 de Tom, W3IWI From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:08:03 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!wizard.pn.com!satisfied.apocalypse.org!dlleigh From: dlleigh@frank.harvard.edu (Darren Leigh) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Sounds from space Date: 24 Nov 1995 16:35:13 GMT Organization: Harvard University Lines: 11 Sender: dlleigh@frank (Darren Leigh) Message-ID: <494s81$tnb@satisfied.apocalypse.org> References: <493165$m1s@park.interport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: frank.harvard.edu In article <493165$m1s@park.interport.net>, asphodel@interport.net (erik gilbert) writes: > Does anyone know where I can get or download sounds from radio > telescopes/stars ? Why bother downloading anything? You can make the sounds yourself. They generally go: "sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...." Almost anything more interesting that you hear will be RFI. :-( Darren Leigh -- kc6euy dlleigh@frank.harvard.edu From Unknown Sun Nov 26 05:08:04 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!news2.acs.oakland.edu!newshub.gmr.com!news.delcoelect.com!usenet From: aranders@kosepc01.delcoelect.com (Alan Anderson) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,alt.paranet.ufo,rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: STS-73 Sees UFO Date: 22 Nov 1995 13:47:42 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corporation, Kokomo, Indiana Lines: 30 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <48v9lu$72g@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> References: <483hie$pci$1@perth.DIALix.oz.au> Reply-To: aranders@kosepc01.delcoelect.com (Alan Anderson) NNTP-Posting-Host: kosepc01.delcoelect.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Xref: news.epix.net sci.space.shuttle:37802 alt.paranet.ufo:45677 rec.radio.amateur.space:5802 pbarry@perth.DIALix.oz.au (Paul Barry) writes: >Anthony John Xenos (ax823092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu) probably wrote: >: >: The idea (detailed below) that we can assume much about whether life exists on >: other planets based on two premises (life exists on earth, so it is possible, >: and the universe is big) is ridiculous. Think about the beach analogy. >: Imagine that it is a pebbly rather than sandy beach you are sitting on. You >: reach down and the first thing you pick up happens to be a dime. Would you >: assume that the beach was made of dimes? Of course not. You could only begin >[deleted] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Maybe not, but it sure WOULD be reasonable to conclude that the chances >of finding another dime on a large beach is very high, as is the >possibility of finding another civilized planet in a large universe. No. It would NOT be reasonable to make those conclusions based on a single sample. That's the point here. We don't have ANY basis for a statistical analysis of the situation. You picked up one thing, and it was a dime. You can't assume anything about the distribution of dimes on the beach, so you can't conclude anything about the total number of dimes present. You picked up something, and it wasn't a baseball, but you can't conclude that baseballs are rare. We have but a single example of a life-bearing planet, so we have no way of extrapolating -- a statistical analysis based on a sample size of one has a 100% margin of error. = === === === = = = === === === === = = === = = = === = = === = # Alan Anderson # Ignorance can be fixed, but stupidity is permanent. # (I do not speak for Delco Electronics, and DE does not speak for me.) From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:26 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.yab.com!wierius!stat!david Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.info Message-ID: <49d6v3$l07@pilot.njin.net> From: magliaco@pilot.njin.net (John Magliacane) Subject: * SpaceNews 27-Nov-95 * Date: 27 Nov 1995 15:27:15 -0500 Approved: rec-radio-info@stat.com Organization: Rutgers University Sender: news Lines: 204 Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:94837 rec.radio.amateur.space:5837 rec.radio.info:10447 From: magliaco@pilot.njin.net (John Magliacane) Subject: * SpaceNews 27-Nov-95 * Date: 27 Nov 1995 15:27:15 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Message-ID: <49d6v3$l07@pilot.njin.net> SB NEWS @ AMSAT $SPC1127 * SpaceNews 27-Nov-95 * BID: $SPC1127 ========= SpaceNews ========= MONDAY NOVEMBER 27, 1995 SpaceNews originates at KD2BD in Wall Township, New Jersey, USA. It is published every week and is made available for unlimited free distribution. * MIR NEWS * ============ Dr. Dave Larsen, N6JLH, recently received the following packet radio message from Thomas Dieter on the Mir space station: Stat : PR Posted : 11/22/95 15:03 To : N6JLH From : R0MIR @ BBS : BID : Subject: from Thomas Mir-Station, 22.11.95 Hello Dave, The time with Ken and his crew was really great! It is one of these phantastic experiences: you are in orbit, and just like that, some friends drop in for a couple of days. These days were of course great times together. A pity, that they could only stay for three days. Well, thanks again for relaying the data. Greetings, to all 73, Thomas. Pat Kilroy, WD8LAQ reports that George, N7NSI donated the manual for his TM-733A transceiver to the Cosmonauts on the Mir space station. George says that there is no rush to return the manual. Matt, KC5BTL donated a manual for the ICOM rig on Mir. The manuals were successfully delivered to Mir by the recent STS-74 Space Shuttle crew. This delivery should help the Mir crew configure their new Amateur radio equipment on the Mir space station. * SOUND FILES AVAILABLE * ========================= For those who enjoy playing audio files your computers, Keith Stein has made the following .WAV files available on the ftp.drig.com FTP site in the pub directory: air1.zip Recording of a emergency landing by military aircraft (callsign Track 32) at Andrews AFB, Maryland (11/20/95). File Size: 267k mir1.zip Recording of a German cosmonaut Thomas Reiter aboard Mir space station (10/29/95). File Size: 794k. meteor.zip Recording of WESR radio's "LIVE COVERAGE" of Conestoga/Meteor launch at Wallops Island, Virginia (10/23/95). File Size: 214k. You will need to unzip these files and play them through a .WAV sound player. [Info via Keith Stein] * MIR REFRESHER COURSE * ======================== Ever tried to contact the Cosmonauts on the Mir space station? In this issue of SpaceNews, G. Miles Mann presents some useful hints and friendly advice to those who would like to improve their communications success with the Mir spacestation. Mir Refresher Course - Part 1 of 3: Working the Soviet space station Mir on packet is easier than you may think. I have been able to connect to the Mir Packet BBS on a regular basis with a very modest 2 meter base station and from my car packet station, but you must be very careful not to cause interference (QRM) to other amateurs who are either connected, or attempting to establish a connection with the Mir space station. The Russian space station is in orbit approximately 200 miles above the earth. The inclination of the orbit is 51 degrees. This means that Mir flies over Amateur stations North and South of the equator up to 51 degrees latitude. Stations from the USA and southern Canada should have no problems hearing Mir during a good orbit. The space station typically comes in range 6-8 times per day for up to 10 minutes per pass. A good computer satellite tracking or orbital prediction program fed with accurate Keplerian orbital data elements for Mir should be used for best communication results. The Space Station Mir is running an ICOM-228A with voice and packet communications on 145.550 MHz simplex. Power output is 5 or 25 watts with a dual band dipole mounted outside the space station. By comparison, the NASA Space Shuttle uses 5 watts with a dipole mounted to the inside of a thick radiation resistant window. On most of the passes, the Mir BBS will be connected to a ground station. If you try to connect to the Mir BBS, you will get the message "R0MIR-1 Busy". If this happens, STOP calling the Mir BBS until you see the message "- Logged off" going to the station who is currently connected to Mir's BBS. Remember, ONLY ONE STATION CAN CONNECT TO THE MIR BBS AT A TIME! If you try to connect to the Mir BBS while it is busy, the following will result: 1. You will cause interference to the station who is connected to Mir. 2. It will take longer for the station who is connected to the Mir BBS to finish and log off. 3. Your interference will prevent the connected station from properly disconnecting before Mir goes out of his range. If you do cause interference, you will have to wait for the Mir BBS packet station's connection timer to "time out", and this may take over 7 minutes (a typical Mir pass lasts a maximum of 10 minutes). Then, if you're lucky, the Mir BBS packet station may still be in range after the "time out". Next week we will discuss the proper procedure for successfully connecting to the Mir packet radio BBS. [Info via WF1F] * UoSAT MODEL ON DISPLAY * ========================== Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd is pleased to announce it's participation in the latest exhibition at the Science Museum based in Kensington, London. A full size model of the FASAT-ALFA satellite is on display as part of the "Future Innovations" program. This will be of particular interest to radio amateurs as it shows the UoSAT bus system used on UoSAT-5 and KITSAT, both of which support amateur radio communications. It will be an ideal opportunity to see how small these satellites really are and is the perfect excuse to have a look at the Space Gallery at the Museum. The model shows the satellite in the process of deploying the gravity gradient boom and the various cameras and sensors are clearly visible. FASAT carries two CCD cameras to capture images of the "ozone hole", in addition it carries four radiometers to measure the ozone density at different altitudes. Two further CCD cameras capture wide and narrow angle images of the Earth in the near infra red region. These images are used to monitor desertification, flooding, land use and pollution. The exhibition will be opened on 22 November during the Royal Academy of Engineering MacRobert Awards for 1995 presented by His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. The exhibit will be on show until May 1996. Further details of opening hours etc. are available from the Science Museum, Exhibition Road, London SW7. [Info via Keith Clark, G6RTJ] * THANKS! * =========== Thanks to all who sent news items and messages of appreciation to SpaceNews especially: G3AAJ KF4AFE DF5DP F6HCC JR8XPV G0HZX * FEEDBACK/INPUT WELCOMED * =========================== Comments and input for SpaceNews should be directed to the editor (John, KD2BD) via any of the paths listed below: FAX : 1-908-747-7107 FTP : pilot.njin.net cd to /pub/SpaceNews WWW : http://www.njin.net:80/~magliaco/ PACKET : KD2BD @ KS4HR.NJ.USA.NA INTERNET : kd2bd@amsat.org, magliaco@pilot.njin.net SATELLITE : AMSAT-OSCAR-16, LUSAT-OSCAR-19 MAIL : John A. Magliacane, KD2BD Department of Engineering and Technology Advanced Technology Center Brookdale Community College Lincroft, New Jersey 07738 U.S.A. <<=- SpaceNews: The first amateur newsletter read in space! -=>> /EX From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:28 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!hplvec.lvld.hp.com!tcline From: tcline@lvld.hp.com (Ted Cline) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Dec-2-95 Balloon Flight EOSS-25 planned Date: 29 Nov 1995 00:49:03 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 111 Message-ID: <49galv$nse@hplvec.lvld.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpisltc2.lvld.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1.4] For more info: http://usa.net/~rickvg/eoss.htm Edge of Space Sciences (EOSS) is a Denver, Colorado based non-profit organization that promotes science and education by exploring frontiers in amateur radio and high altitude balloons. EOSS conducts four or five balloon projects each year, sending scientific payloads to approximately 100,000 feet. An on-board computer and command and telemetry system provide for control and real time data down link of experiment data in the payload package. In many cases, live video from the payload is available and views of the earth and the edge of space have been made. Educational institutions and other scientific oriented organizations are encouraged to participate in EOSS projects and programs. --------------------------- FLIGHT PROFILE FOR EOSS 25 --------------------------- LAUNCH DATE: 2-Dec-1995 LAUNCH SITE: United States Air Force Academy LAUNCH SITE COORDINATES: * 39'00.56 N * 104'52.90 W LAUNCH TIME: 15:00 UTC EXPECTED TRACK: Between 45 degrees and 145 degrees azimuth FLIGHT EXPERIMENT: USAFA Satellite Experiment and RMRL crossband repeater PROJECT INTEGRATOR: USAFA and EOSS FREQUENCIES: * Telemetry: o 144.340 MHz FM (1 Watt output) - The Packet telemetry stream is in ax.25 format at 1200 baud and is readable in plain english for the most part. Included in each telemetry frame is an APRS position string (APRS users see note below). Every few minutes a CW ID is transmitted on this frequency. o AFA Telemetry Stream will be on 146.455. This will be in ax.25 format at 1200 baud. However, the data that appears on screen may not be intelligible as it is formatted for AFA groundstation computers. * VHF/UHF Crossband Repeater o Input 446.000 MHz o Output 147.555 MHz * ATV: o EOSS Shuttle Video - 426.250 MHz AM (1 Watt output) - NTSC video o AFA Video - 439.250 MHz AM (1 Watt output) - NTSC video * Foxhunters: o No repeater set yet - Airborne repeater will serve as emergency backup. * HF Net: o 7.235 MHz no net control set as of this writing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PURPOSE OF THE FLIGHT: The United States Air Force Academy will be testing a prototype attitude sensing system using multiple GPS receivers. EOSS will be assisting with video, backup telemetry and backup GPS. EOSS will provide recovery services. notes: Automatic Position Reporting System (APRS): * EOSS Shuttle controllers now beacon on the packet telemetry frequency with an APRS position string. If you are running APRS you should be able to graphically track the progress of the flight on the "CODENVER.MAP" map file. The Shuttle is not a TNC equipped packet station. It only reads data from various sensors and experiments and formats and transmits that data in AX.25. Therefore, beacons from other APRS stations will NOT be retransmitted (digi). So, inorder to minimize possible interference with hams in your area, we request you turn off the position beacons in APRS. Thanks! ATV: * The Amateur Video Signals from the payload may be picked up by a cable ready TV set on channel 58. However, you need to be very close to the balloon, and have a directional antenna to do this as cable receivers do not have much sensitivity (why should they?). If you don't have a cable ready set, try tuning DOWN from UHF channel 14. Some sets can receive the signal there too. Who Can Hear It: * Almost all our transmitters are on VHF or above frequencies. Therefore, you need to be line of site to the payload to hear/see it. Since the payload rises to an altitude of over 90,000 feet on most missions, reception is usually possible for folks in most of Kansas, most of Nebraska, most of Wyoming, extreme south eastern Idaho, eastern Utah, north eastern Arizona, most of New Mexico, northern Texas, and western Oklahoma. DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED by the apparent low power of our signals. I usually monitor the Beacon with an HT from the ground station throughout the flight. The signal is strong even at 130 miles and I only lose it when the balloon descends below my horizon. last edit 20-Nov-95 maintained by Rick von Glahn, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Cline, N0RQV tcline@lvld.hp.com Home: 4702 SW 14 St N0RQV@N0MPI.#NECO.CO.USA Loveland, CO 80537-9115 USA Day: 970-679-2352 970-593-9303 From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:29 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!banshee.uunet.ca!nobody Message-ID: <951127.070946.21076@banshee.uunet.ca> Sender: nobody@banshee.uunet.ca X-Nntp-Posting-Host: slip32_pc.north.nsis.com Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:12:53 GMT From: shale@north.nsis.com () Subject: Instant Track Problem on P75/Win95 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Lines: 7 My satelite tracking program (Instant Track V1.00) is not working properly since I upgraded to a p75 with Win95. The numbers and letters at bottom of map screen are garbled. All the rest of program works fine. I've tried many fixes including the new config/autoexec suggested for DOS but no luck so far...can anyone help. shale@north.nsis.com From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:30 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuhou.aloha.net!usenet From: Butch Mason Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Junkosphere Date: 25 Nov 1995 02:54:55 GMT Organization: self Lines: 70 Message-ID: <4960hv$n6c@nuhou.aloha.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: molokai-9.u.aloha.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Re: "Junkosphere" What is one man's junk is another man's treasure. The orbit of the satellite ATS3 is described by the following Keplarian Elements: Satellite: ATS3 Object Number 3029 Epoch 94 352.0822578 Revolution 9928 Mean Anomaly 99.49240 Mean Motion 1.00272128 Inclination 14.75230 Eccentricity .0010133 Arg. Perigee 265.72450 R.A.A.N. 5.57580 Decay Leave blank The reason that the orbit of ATS3 is of great interest is that it had been in orbit 27 years as of about one year ago. It has long since run out of station keeping gas. During a trip to the Cook Islands I was told by the Director of Science for the Cook Islands that he has sent signals through both ATS1 and ATS3 (with NOAA permission) for a number of years and the satellite position is the position taken up by all out-of-fuel geosynchronous satellites. When I got home to little old Molokai I had reasoned that there must be at least a thousand pieces of junk, probably relatively uniformly spaced traversing that orbit. I was unable to get anyone at a great distance to try an experiment of bouncing signals off the debris so I set up an experiment using my own equipment and trying to hear my own signals during the one quarter second remaining after turning my transmitter off. I believe I was successful. The return signal is, of course, a composite of about a thousand returns each with a slightly different doppler and glint and glitter. The signal is much like a spread spectrum signal in that the frequency is smeared. By good fortune I have a DUAL Digital Signal Processing unit built by the JPS company (JPS NIR12). This unit when placed in the Dynamic Peaking position appears to serve as a correlator. I believe I can hear the last half of that quarter second window when my receiver Automatic Gain Control relaxes enough to hear noise. What I hear is a tone which can be changed in pitch in direct relationship to the transmitter frequency on each transmission. The equipment used was rather modest and was operated on 436.010 Mhz. Power output was 100 watts. Gain of the antennas was about 15dbd. TWO GASFET low noise preamplifiers were used in the receive portion of the split transmit and receive equipment. The sensitivity of the receive system is such that I observe about 6db of Sun noise at 436 Mhz. When one runs the above Keplarian elements in a satellite tracking program one can see that the satellite sub-point (The point on the surface of the earth directly below the satellite)runs from 104 degrees west longitude to 106 degrees west longitude and from 15 degrees north latitude to 15 degrees south latitude. The path is an ellipse. To illuminate the entire area requires that the antenna half power points be about 30 degrees which translates to modest size antennas. My receive antennas are a pair of KLM 16 element 436 Mhz. Yagis. Four of the 16 element yagis in a quad configuration would be about optimum. Firing away at the "Junkosphere" with an Earth/Moon/Earth array is a lost cause. Using equipment that does not correlate the returns is also a lost cause. These two observations probably explain why someone has not stumbled upon the "Junkosphere" long ago. Information received via the Internet during the last two weeks has resulted in some corrections to the the general statement that the ATS-3 position is the position taken up by ALL out-of-fuel geosynchronous satellites. It turns out, as might be expected, there are two positions around the world where the junk tends to collect. In addition to the 105 degrees west longitude area there is another near 80 degrees EAST longitude. The reason for the collection is the natural gravity gradient of the earth which is far from a perefect sphere. Estimates of the number of pieces of junk are varied but it is generally agreed that the density has reached a magnitude that causes concern regarding traffic conjestion. Present practice is to use the last bit of remaining station keeping fuel to place dying satellites in a higher orbit thereby avoiding increasing the density (not everyone does that). There are some way-out ideas about cleaning up the junk but none of the ideas I have seen discussed promise relief in the near future. It appears to me that the time is ripe for some enterprising Amateur Radio Operators to pioneer the use of the "Junkosphere". Aloha Butch Mason W6KAG bmason@aloha.net From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:31 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!silver.ucs.indiana.edu!djadams From: djadams@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david jerome adams) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Mode K satelites Date: 27 Nov 1995 19:04:51 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 10 Message-ID: <49d24j$1ar@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Well, I have put together a mode K (15/10) station but don't really know where to go from there. Could someone give me a run down on any and all mode K sats and how to use 'em (freqs, keps data sites, etc). Perhaps there is an all-telling faq? Thanks and 73, dave, n9uxu From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:32 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.itg.ti.com!newsboy.mtc.ti.com!sislnews.csc.ti.com!usenet From: mbv@ti.com (Ken Durham) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Mode K satelites Date: 28 Nov 1995 21:00:59 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 7 Message-ID: <49ftab$lh2@superb.csc.ti.com> References: <49d24j$1ar@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kend.sc.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 In article <49d24j$1ar@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, djadams@silver.ucs.indiana.edu says... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` testing response From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:33 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.itg.ti.com!newsboy.mtc.ti.com!sislnews.csc.ti.com!usenet From: mbv@ti.com (Ken Durham) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Mode K satelites Date: 28 Nov 1995 21:07:37 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 22 Message-ID: <49ftmp$lh2@superb.csc.ti.com> References: <49d24j$1ar@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kend.sc.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 In article <49d24j$1ar@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, djadams@silver.ucs.indiana.edu says... > > >all mode K sats and how to use 'em (freqs, keps data >sites, etc). Perhaps there is an all-telling faq? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry about the previous response. My Newsreader is not working too good at times. I lost the first response. Try: http//www.amsat.org/amsat/AmsatHome.html and: http://www.teleport.com/~n7ryw/asatpage.html AMSAT membership gets you a lot of helpful information. I got free tracking software and some "How To" handouts for a sign-up bonus. The dues help pay for satellite constructuion and launches too. Ken K5MBV > > From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:34 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-ulm.de!Wiedemann.lab.fh-ulm.de!brunel From: brunel@hugo.rz.fh-ulm.de (PE Roman Brunel) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: need sat- antenna infos Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:55:39 Organization: Fachhochschule Ulm Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: wiedemann.lab.fh-ulm.de X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Hi... I would like to receive signals from the MIR- space- station or the shuttle. Unfortunately changed my qth and now I am allowed to put (only) a turnstyle or a gp at the top of a mast with TV- antennas. Can anyone tell me which antenna does the best job? Many thanks es 73 de Roman (DL2SFE) From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:34 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!hermes.is.co.za!news.pix.za!usenet From: Danie Brynard Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: re tr9500 pwr mod needed Date: 26 Nov 1995 07:05:19 GMT Organization: PiX - Proxima information X-change Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4993jf$dak@hawk.pix.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: net-15.pta.pix.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) I am looking for a mod for the Kenwood TR-9500 to vary the output power. From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:21:35 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gsteve490@aol.com (GSteve490) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Re: Shuttle transmission frequency list Date: 29 Nov 1995 14:17:04 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <49ibjg$hr9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <49dgq8$t4u@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: gsteve490@aol.com (GSteve490) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com steer your web browser toward http://www.osf.hq.nasa.gov/shuttle click on how to get a launch pass. Prego. n2lzh@amsat.org From Unknown Fri Dec 01 20:25:14 1995 Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: wecare@teleport.com Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space Subject: Substitute Astronaut Starts Training In Russia Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:52:31 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <49l964$6ds@maureen.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-pdx05-47.teleport.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99.82 From my local paper, reprinted here without permission. MOSCOW - A NASA astronaut began training Monday for a mission aboard Russia's MIR Space Station, replacing another American who lost the job because he was too tall. Michael Foale, 38, will have to cram the 18 month course into a year, the ITAR Tass news agency said. Russian space officials last month removed his predecessor, Scott Parazynski. The 6-foot-2 Parazynski was 2 inches too tall to meet the height requirement for the tiny Soyuz capsules that ferry cosmanauts to the MIR. Although he was supposed to arrive at the MIR and return to Earth on an American space shuttle, in an emergency he would have to leave on a Soyuz. NASA officials said they knew of the height requirement but hoped that a Soyuz could be modified for Parazynski, an option the Russians said was impossible. - end - 73's all John KB7VZL