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Newsgroups: alt.games.doom
Path: oz.cdrom.com!agate!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab188
From: ab188@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sebastien Barre)
Subject: Re: DOOM II out
Message-ID: <CvMEGw.HFt@freenet.carleton.ca>
Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (Usenet News Admin)
Reply-To: ab188@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sebastien Barre)
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
References: <uvFQkmmt18BD071yn@cpcug.org> <3SEP199415282549@summa.tamu.edu> <341lak$qr7@eis.calstate.edu> <3429ba$dj@taco.cc.ncsu.
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 19:36:32 GMT
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In a previous article, mtk@cpcug.org (Michael Kirk) says:
>Yea, but in this case you had the OWNERS PERMISSION to sit in the chair
><like using shareware>. If you took it without permission, the owner has
>every right to charge you with theft and anyone you gave it to with
>possesion of stolen property. It really doesn't matter what your
>intentions are! ID has made it public that any copy of DOOM ][ that is
>now in use is pirated and illegel. They have asked that anyone having
>knowledge of these pirated copies notify the SPA. I think this makes it
>pretty clear. Not only do you not have the OWNERS PERMISSION, but the
>OWNER is asking you to call the cops <SPA> so legel action can be taken.
Ok.. even though I don't really care, I do like a good argument, so
i'm going to continue this :) First off, I never said I had the owner's
permission to sit in his chair.. Let's say I didn't have the owner's
permission to sit in the chair, and he nveer saw me sit in the chair for a
full month before I bought it, wether I had been sitting in the chair or
not would not make a difference to the owner of the chair.. In a case like
this, the only debate would be with your own personal "morals" as to wether
you feel bad sitting in the guy's chair without telling him.. And since
I'm planning on buying the guy's chair anyways, I DON'T feel bad about it.
THAT is the argument I was making.. From your reply, you obviously did not
comprehend it in the first place...
>
>> ....... but if you were to xerox something
>> that will be released, and that you will buy, and you have an advance
>> copy ofr yourself that you're not giving to others who won't buy it, then
>> no one loses.. as I said, your arguments are very poor, because they are
>> not at all similar to the current debate..
>>
>Using this argument I guess we should make insider trading on the
>stockmarket legel too. NOT!
Once again, you didn't understand it at all.. Insider trading implies
that you will be profiting from your knowledge in a manner that is unfair and
that would not normally have benefitted you.. What you're demonstrating would
be more along the lines of me getting an advanced copy of DOOM 2, and then
selling it to people before the real release came out, and making money off
something I acquired secretly, or illegally.. But that's not the case, so
your argument is void.
>
>What it boils down to is posession or use of pirated software is not
>only illegel but unethical. For those of you in colleges and
blah blah i'm not in a college.. Unethical? That's true.. Pirating
software that you didn't pay for (or don't plan on paying for) is wrong, and
I avoid that as much as possible.. But I am not ashamed to admit that I will
copy software before to try it out and look at it, and see if this is really
what I want to pay for.. There is nothing more misleading that a software
package box.. If I DO like it, I buy it, if I don't like it, I delete it.
I could just buy the software, try it out, return it if I don't like it,
but why cause the store (and myself) more hassle than is necessary.. I
don't see anything wrong with this.. If you consider this unethical, then
we don't have the same set of ethics, and this argument is going to go on for
a LONG time.. :)
--
- Seb.
"Society is like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit."