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General OS/2 Discussion (Fidonet)
Saturday, 20-Nov-1999 to Friday, 26-Nov-1999
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From: Stewart Buckingham 19-Nov-99 19:00:00
To: MIKE RUSKAI 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
> Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to All
> on 11-13-99 05:22 about Communicator Fatal Error...
>> Hi,
>> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7.
>> Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a
>> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how
>> to remedy this error?
> The only time I've seen this problem is when Netscape doesn't know where
> it's located. It determines that from an INI entry in the OS2.INI file,
> which won't be there if you go back to an archive from before Netscape was
> installed, or re-install OS/2.
> If that's your problem, the following should solve it for you:
> /* Create Netscape entry in OS2.INI */
I used the utility called Service Center to view what software is registered
in my INI file and it lists a copy of Netscape. Maybe that is pointing to the
older Netscape V2.02 which I still have on disk too? How do I tell? The
strange thing is I've been using V4.04 without any known problems up until the
point I started receiving this error message.
Stu/2
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From: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 23:22:00
To: Linda Proulx 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Install
On 14/11/1999, Lee Aroner said to Linda Proulx about Install:
Hi Linda and Lee.
I agree with everything but this one:
LA>
LA> > FCBS=16,8
LA> Set this to "8,4"
LA>
Since this is for MS-PC-DOS v1.x support ONLY, I suggest that you make it
"2,2" which is the minimum possible.
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au
___
X KWQ/2 1.2i X The measure of a man is what he does with power. (Pittacus)
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From: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 23:25:01
To: Jack Stein 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Installation problem
On 15/11/1999, Jack Stein said to Linda Proulx about Installation problem:
JS>
JS> That was a bug in WARP 3 that was there for one day, on the
JS> day of it's intial release. You could not buy, or it was
JS> difficult to find a copy of that, as they pulled it and
JS> fixed that on the first day.
JS>Don't believe everything you read in Unleashed.
JS>
Oh, no! Jack - you have just introduced a bug into Linda's mental source
code - and she's going to have to look at EVERYTHING in Unleashed with a
jaundiced eye...
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au
___
X KWQ/2 1.2i X It's always in the last place you look :).
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From: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 23:27:02
To: Ron Nicholls 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Netscape416
On 14/11/1999, Ron Nicholls said to All about Netscape416:
RN> I stumbled across this accidently. If one holds
RN> the mouse button down on the back/forward
RN> icons a popup history menu appears
RN>
Ron - just for the pedants...which button? <g>
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au
___
X KWQ/2 1.2i X W Gates: According to my best recollection, I don't remember.
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From: Andy Roberts 19-Nov-99 13:52:09
To: Coridon Henshaw 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Get Going
Coridon Henshaw,
18-Nov-99 16:34:53, Coridon Henshaw wrote to Andy Roberts
CH> On Tuesday November 16 1999 at 18:52, Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx:
Subject: Get Going
AR>> I also have a HP DeskJet 340, which is color but only 300DPI, which
AR>> makes photos look like newspaper print. I don't use this at all
AR>> anymore. The little liquid ink cartridge (typical size of many new
AR>> printers) will only do about 200 pages maximum if used very quickly.
AR>> If it is only used once in a couple of weeks, then it will dry out or
AR>> clog up long before you get 50 pages out of it. That works out to
AR>> about $1 per page.
CH> For comparison, the toner cartridge in a Xerox DocuPrint P8e will
CH> print 5,000 pages and costs about $200 (CDN) to replace. This
CH> works out to 4 cents (CDN) a page.
That price per cartridge seems a bit steep in comparison to the HP4L,
which is usually between $50-70 US. I'm well into my 3rd case of paper
and have only replaced the cartridge once. So it too gets 5000+ pages
per cartridge. That works out to about 1 cent (US) per page.
CH> If you can afford the initial capital for a laser printer, don't
CH> waste money on an inkjet.
I agree about Laser, for speed and quality as well as price for B&W. The
only good reason I can think of to get an InkJet is for color.
I did pay what I thought at the time was a rather high up front price for
the HP4L. And I probably would not have bought it except the company
paid for it, and it has far better speed and quality than a dot matrix.
Like most commercial equipment, I think the longer life expectancy and
low maintenance, does justify the cost in the long run.
I've checked several times in the last year trying to find a used HP4L
for sale at various auctions, and never seen 1, even though they were
very popular a few years ago. I guess everyone who bought it is so
satisfied that they don't want to sell it.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 08:49:19
To: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Deskarc List
Hi Will,
WH> In another msg. you refer to the X, 1, 2, 3 sequences. If you make
WH> several archives you will find that the 1 -3 entries appear to be a
WH> used to refer to 3 'buckets' where a new archive replaces the oldest
WH> (3) one and becomes 1 while the remaining 'buckets' (1 and 2) are
WH> incremented. Sort of a first-in/first-out stack of 3. Note: I may be
WH> bass-ackwards on the order. I say 1 is the newest but it may really be
WH> 3; I haven't messed with this in a LONG time.
This sounds sort of like an old IBM mainframe terminology from the 1970's,
80's.....;-) GDG's, Generation Data Groups... The latest version of a file is
0, previous version -1, prior to that -2 etc, for as many archives as you wish
to keep. When its time to update to the latest version, input file is 0,
output is +1. If the update succeeds, then EVERYTHING renumbers down 1 when it
completes leaving the latest at 0...
It was also possible to "cycle" the numbers early, so that 0 became the new
space allocation of the series that is empty, and updates are done FROM -1, TO
0. While this was easier to handle re-runs (frequent in those days), it means
the latest file may not contain valid data until the update worked.
Many years ago I wrote 2 small DOS & OS/2 utilites that performed something
similar (CYCLE and GDG, one Cycles DOWN in number, the other GDG's UP) and I
used those on the BBS to replicate the Mainframe methodology. Each week
(actually on the 1st, 6th, 11th, 16th, 21st, 26th of the month) I "Cycle" the
BBS log files and keep 8 weeks of files as backups. Each month I combine the
oldest months data and archive it. This way the BBS log files never get too
large to manage and I have all the records of each month archived for
historical purposes (I run the BBS for a club).
Just another usless piece of info.........;-)
--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10)
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From: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 10:08:05
To: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Deskarc List
Hi Will,
WH> In another msg. you refer to the X, 1, 2, 3 sequences. If you make
WH> several archives you will find that the 1 -3 entries appear to be a
WH> used to refer to 3 'buckets' where a new archive replaces the oldest
WH> (3) one and becomes 1 while the remaining 'buckets' (1 and 2) are
WH> incremented. Sort of a first-in/first-out stack of 3. Note: I may be
WH> bass-ackwards on the order. I say 1 is the newest but it may really be
WH> 3; I haven't messed with this in a LONG time.
This sounds sort of like an old IBM mainframe terminology from the 1970's,
80's.....;-) GDG's, Generation Data Groups... The latest version of a file is
0, previous version -1, prior to that -2 etc, for as many archives as you wish
to keep. When its time to update to the latest version, input file is 0,
output is +1. If the update succeeds, then EVERYTHING renumbers down 1 when it
completes leaving the latest at 0...
It was also possible to "cycle" the numbers early, so that 0 became the new
space allocation of the series that is empty, and updates are done FROM -1, TO
0. While this was easier to handle re-runs (frequent in those days), it means
the latest file may not contain valid data until the update worked.
Many years ago (before I moved to OS/2 even) I wrote 2 small DOS & OS/2
utilites that performed something similar (CYCLE and GDG, one Cycles DOWN in
number, the other GDG's UP) and I used those on the BBS to replicate the
Mainframe methodology. Each week (actually on the 1st, 6th, 11th, 16th, 21st,
26th of the month) I "Cycle" the BBS log files and keep 8 weeks of files as
backups. Each month I combine the oldest months data and archive it. This way
the BBS log files never get too large to manage and I have all the records of
each month archived for historical purposes (I run the BBS for a club).
Just another useless piece of info.........;-)
--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10)
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From: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 09:27:22
To: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Ispell ?
Hi Will,
WH> attrib /s /a:d -a c:\*
WH> Try that on your drives and see if it revives
WH> the program. Long shot but...
I am runing W4 FP9 here and the online help and attrib /? dont show the /a:d
or -a options. Are these undocumented or a result of a later fixpak?....pk.
--- Maximus/2 3.01
* Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10)
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From: Sean Dennis 19-Nov-99 09:12:29
To: Lee Aroner 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: SIO/VModem FAQ?
Hello, Lee.
-=> Replying to a message of Lee Aroner to Sean Dennis:
SD>> To get it via email FREQ:
LA> Interesting utility.
LA> What is it?
It's a feature of a program called Internet Rex. Internet Rex is a
multifunction program whose main job is to handle echomail packets (in many
formats) over email attachments and FTP. It can handle MIME-64, SEAT, AllFix,
TransX and other formats as well. The new version (2.0) that will be coming
out soon will even have its own built-in POP3/SMTP and FTP servers! You can
check it out at http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex or pick up the IREX echo.
Its author is Charles Cruden (who haunts in here somewhere)... it's available
in OS/2, DOS, Win32 and Linux flavors.
I've found it's an indispensable program that I couldn't carry most of the 14
networks that I carry now. :) The email FREQ feature is really cool... and
within that feature, there's even more cool features. Internet Rex is US$25
to register (for up to 50 nodes). It's the only shareware program that I've
registered to date and since I've been running it for well over a year (maybe
close to a year now), I can honestly say it's worth every single penny.
LA> Are you running Adept?
LA> <Thinking about converting from TriBBS to Adept or PCB>...
Nope. I run Maximus/2 v3.01 and very happy with it. Adept was too unstable
for my tastes (again, that's just my opinion). Never tried PCBoard. I have
heard that Gary Price (the new author of TriBBS) is dropping support for DOS
completely and moving the entire TriBBS line of programs to Windows.
Later,
Sean
. o O ( Happy holidays from the staff at AfterHours/2 BBS! )
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From: Stewart Buckingham 20-Nov-99 11:32:13
To: All 20-Nov-99 08:40:00
Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS
Hi
> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7.
> Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a
> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how
> to remedy this error?
I've now had another one of these Fatal Error boxes "Unable to parse
OS2PREF.JS. Exiting" when trying to run the install for Java 1.1.8 (thinking
that an upgrade might solve the problem). So it seems unlikely that it's a
Netscape specific problem and more likely to be a Java problem.
Here is the relevant part of my config.sys file as it applies to JAVA and
NETSCAPE. I've edited out all the other lines as well as all the non-Java and
non-Netscape references from the lines (for brevity). If there is anything
missing or looking odd, I'd like to know.
LIBPATH=d:\JAVA11\DLL;d:\inet\client\browser\netscape\PROGRAM;d:\NETSCAPE\JAVA1
1;d:\NETSCAPE;
SET INCLUDE=d:\JAVA11\INCLUDE;d:\JAVA11\INCLUDE\OS2; SET LIB=d:\JAVA11\LIB;
SET PATH=d:\inet\client\browser\netscape\PROGRAM;d:\NETSCAPE;d:\JAVA11\BIN;
SET
CLASSPATH=d:\inet\client\browser\netscape\program\java\classes\jil3240.zip;
d:\inet\client\browser\netscape\program\java\classes\sys3240.zip;d:\NETSCAPE\
JAVA11\JEMPCL10.ZIP;d:\NETSCAPE\njclass.zip;.\.;
I have a regular Java install on d:\JAVA11, a regular Netscape 2.02 install on
d:\NETSCAPE, and a regular Communicator install on
d:\inet\client\browser\netscape
Communicator 4.04 was working until suddenly I got the above error, so I guess
something must have been changed/overwritten/deleted. Netscape 2.02 still
appears to be working, and at least 1 other Java application also appears to
be working normally.
Is there anything missing/weird about my config.sys statements? I'd like to be
running Communicator 4.04 as my main browser and eventually remove Netscape
2.02 after I'm satisfied with 4.04.
Stu/2
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From: Peter French 20-Nov-99 00:00:00
To: Herbert Rosenau 20-Nov-99 00:00:00
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
On 1999/11/16, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Dave Davidson on message number 683;
Hello Herbert,
HR> DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available
HR> DD> drives, how can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE
HR> DD> A not ready, simply because there isn't a disk in the drive?
HR>
HR> Insert a disk, open the drive, close it and then remove the
HR> disk. Make a shutdown. After reboot the WPS knows that
HR> nothing is in the drive.
This just might work for the A: drive, but it doesn't work here for a ZIP
and the CDRom. I know there is a trick for this and went serfing to find it.
BUT no joy. I used to have my Warp4 client completely quiet but with a new
installation of WfeB I'm afraid the change has disappeared.
I've tried,
SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C
SET AUTOFAIL=YES
SET AUTOREFRESHFOLDERS=NO
Looked around the BIOS setup, looked in the disk, system and desktop object(s)
for something that would "do the job", read Warp Unleashed from cover to
cover, hauled out all the IBM Certification Handbooks - to no avail. It has
me stumped. I KNOW there is a tip for making the drives quiet if there is no
media in them and you fire up something like PMSEEK, but for the life of me it
escapes.... This I've got to find - but is there someone out there that can
put me out of my misery?
___
X KWQ/2 1.2i X Sometimes I wake up grumpy - other times I let him sleep.
--- Maximus/2 2.02
* Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347)
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From: Wes Newell 20-Nov-99 07:58:12
To: Stewart Buckingham 20-Nov-99 15:43:20
Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS
> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how
> to remedy this error?
SB> Is there anything missing/weird about my config.sys
SB> statements? I'd like to be running Communicator 4.04 as
SB> my main browser and eventually remove Netscape 2.02
SB> after I'm satisfied with 4.04.
Have you tried to create a new user for Netscape? Couldn't find an os2pref.js
file on my 4.6 system, but did find a pref*.js for each account name under the
Netscape users dir. Perhaps your file got corrupt. Go to netscape folder and
create another user and try again. Don't know if this will help or not, but
it's a place to start.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 18-Nov-99 08:24:11
To: George White 20-Nov-99 15:43:20
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello George,
15 Nov 99 09:53, George White wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
GW> Page 300 in my edition, Warp 3 red, it's in chapter 20 "Special
GW> Hardware Considerations".
I found that yesterday. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... You can't teach ducks to dance.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 18-Nov-99 08:27:04
To: John Thompson 20-Nov-99 15:43:20
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello John,
16 Nov 99 19:58, John Thompson wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
JT> I found it in my copy of Warp Unleashed Deluxe Edition on page 46:
JT> I found a little on this problem in the "User's Guide to OS/2
JT> Warp [v3]" in Chapter 19 (Troubleshooting), starting on page 315
JT> in my manual.
I found both.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... I am Peg of Borg. Al, I need to be assimilated NOW!
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From: Ron Nicholls 20-Nov-99 00:25:01
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 20-Nov-99 00:25:01
Subj: Missing Window control..
JP> WH> tell what program would mess up next.
JP>
JP> A one-line script:
JP>
JP> attrib /s /a:d -a c:\*
JP>
I don't understand the switch "a:d -a"
or is this 4OS2?
-
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Daniela Engert 18-Nov-99 18:25:27
To: MIKE RUSKAI 20-Nov-99 20:10:06
Subj: Dos C drive
Hi MIKE!
Thus quoth MIKE RUSKAI to LINDA PROULX:
MR> There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a
MR> word used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact
MR> happening when you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No
MR> changes to the partition are made. Nothing is written to disk.
Not true. With Bootmanager installed, each partition *has* a status. For
logical drives it is stored in the partition table sector at offset 18Ah. Bit
2 is the 'installable' state.
bye, Dani
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From: Andy Roberts 20-Nov-99 09:28:25
To: Sean Dennis 20-Nov-99 20:10:06
Subj: SIO/VModem FAQ?
Sean Dennis,
19-Nov-99 09:12:58, Sean Dennis wrote to Lee Aroner
SD> -=> Replying to a message of Lee Aroner to Sean Dennis:
Subject: SIO/VModem FAQ?
LA>> Are you running Adept? <Thinking about converting from TriBBS to
LA>> Adept
SD> Nope. I run Maximus/2 v3.01 and very happy with it. Adept was
SD> too unstable for my tastes (again, that's just my opinion).
There definitely were some unstable versions of Adept.
But most of us who actively used Adept knew which versions worked. Adept has
been working full time for about 8 years here and I have never had to
re-install, nor had any major problem, nor any lost msgs, nor lost files, nor
lost users, nor lost configs, nor any other reason to complain about
stability. I can't remember if Adept ever crashed, I doubt it. In my
experience Adept is the most solid prgm I have ever used.
Sure Adept has a few bugs, but nothing so serious that a work-around can not
be used. The major problem with new Adept SysOps is their effort to force
Adept to accept the kludges common to other BBSs like MAX.
What version and what specifically did you find "unstable" about Adept?
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Scott Jones 20-Nov-99 01:55:09
To: Ron Nicholls 20-Nov-99 20:27:18
Subj: Re: Get Going
-=> On 19 Nov 99 00:00:02, Ron Nicholls wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> Haven't learned it yet. Honest. And Warp feels very natural to
LP> me. Just a few mouse habits from 3.1 to unlearn, but no problem with
LP> it.
RN> Whoa ! That brings back memories. The two button drive fascinated me
RN> for some time.
RN> In fact recently I reinstalled DOS/WIN3 ( for a laugh - cries of
RN> "UNKIND" ) and kept hitting the right mouse button all the time. :-)
RN> Could NOT unlearn OS2
That's why I have the IBM EWS Workplace Shell for Windows on my son's
Win3.1 machine. It's a good, though not complete, workalike to OS/2's
WPS. I used it as a Program Manager replacement for a couple of years,
until I installed Warp. I think that's one reason why my transition
went so well.
Scott Jones
(sjones@crosswinds.net)
... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
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From: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 19:07:00
To: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 19:07:00
Subj: Ispell ?
Peter Knapper wrote to Will Honea on 11-20-1999
PK> Hi Will,
PK>
PK>
PK> WH> attrib /s /a:d -a c:\*
PK>
PK> WH> Try that on your drives and see if it revives
PK> WH> the program. Long shot but...
PK>
PK> I am runing W4 FP9 here and the online help and attrib /?
PK> dont show the /a:d or -a options. Are these undocumented or
PK> a result of a later fixpak?....pk.
FP11 fixed the directory attributes to reflect the true archive status
where before it was ignored (especially by programmers too lazy or
indifferent to do it right). As a result a lot of programs couldn't
see directories with the archive bit set.
Hmmm.... attrib /? shows the +- A
+R or -R Sets or cancels the read-only attribute.
+S or -S Sets or cancels the system file attribute.
+H or -H Sets or cancels the hidden file attribute.
+A or -A Sets or cancels the archive file attribute.
drive:\path Specifies the drive and directory.
filename Specifies the file you want to change.
/S Processes all subdirectories.
And dir /? shows the /a:? syntax but I don't see where it merges.
Gotta look. Anyway, with FP9 this is all academic. Any chance you're
hitting one of the oddball >2.1gb drive problems with Ispell?
BTW, a lot of your posts have been coming through in duplicate lately.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
--- Maximus/2 2.02
* Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347)
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From: Ian Moote 20-Nov-99 18:12:00
To: HERBERT ROSENAU 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: Clunker update
HR> Since WARP4 (WARP 3 Fixpack 10) there will be a timer that wakes up
HR> the PM if - and only if you hit Strg+Esc. Then this timer will check
HR> the system message queue for forthgoing messages. Fi in an given
HR> time no message is released the blocking thread is (temporary)
HR> removed from the receiver list and the message flow goes on.
I found your post very interesting and informative. Thanks. What's
"Strg" supposed to be? Do you mean the System Request (SysReq) key?
Take care and TTYL.
---
■■ U.S. Congress: 536 reasons for term limits.
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From: Ian Moote 20-Nov-99 18:12:00
To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
MR> SB> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java
MR> SB> 1.1.7. Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to
MR> SB> load with a Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS.
MR> SB> Exiting". Any ideas how to remedy this error?
MR>
MR> The only time I've seen this problem is when Netscape doesn't know
MR> where it's located. It determines that from an INI entry in the
MR> OS2.INI file, which won't be there if you go back to an archive from
MR> before Netscape was installed, or re-install OS/2.
MR>
MR> If that's your problem, the following should solve it for you:
I've had considerable trouble with Netscape nuking my prefs.js file (as
well as my bookmarks.htm file!). I keep a back of prefs.js to make re-
editing a little easier. I would first try renaming your prefs.js to
"prefs.screwed.up" and see if Netscape recreates it.
Good luck and TTYL.
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From: Ian Moote 20-Nov-99 18:12:00
To: LINDA PROULX 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: file /query
Hi, Linda.
JP> I'm giving [him] the benefit of the doubt [...] until I see his
JP> rationale.
I've been sitting on the sidelines on this for some time and I really
have to commend your tolerance and patience. [:)
However, if your friend has even a double-digit IQ he should be able to
see that he'll be wasting his valuable time attempting to justify
himself in here. Nor should anyone expect him to. The fact that he's
even being _asked_ to should be raising warning flags with him. [;)
Besides, multiple primary DOS partitions are invisible to each other!
This is a fact that is well-known by everybody -- except by you and your
friend and I and anyone else whose actually _done_ it rather than
spending our time reading "various FAQs, FGAs, HOW-TOs, and messages
[...] on the subject over the years". [;)
Personally, other than OS/2's shortcoming in this regard, I've yet to
see a truly valid reason _not_ to use multiple primary partitions on a
single drive.
Take care of yourself, Linda, and TTYL.
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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 17:33:00
To: All 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: Re: Another leaky fixpak?
From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360
From: Jack Pfisterer <Jack.Pfisterer@f749.n102.z1.fidonet.org>
JP > Suggestions would be appreciated. (BTW, I've already installed
JP > pmmerge.dll from pmr00052. I think it improved things a bit; but
Where I can find it? I have occasional errors on pmmerge.dll with Acrobat
Reader for OS/2, so new one might help me?
Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska.
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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 17:33:00
To: All 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: Re: Network
From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360
From: John Thompson <John.Thompson@f0.n139.z1.fidonet.org>
JT > LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed
th
JT > LP> minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
JT >
JT > Do you see the "SYS2025" or "SYS2027" errors when you boot from
JT > the install diskettes or try to install?
Happened to me here (MSI-5169, AMI BIOS v2.3), until I flashed it with
new BIOS v3.2. Never had it since...
Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska.
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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 17:33:00
To: All 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: Re: Epson print problem
From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360
From: Steve McCrystal <Steve.McCrystal@p2.f731.n154.z1.fidonet.org>
SM > SP> BTW, there is some Epson driver on IBM site under
SM > SP> os2/ddpak/epomni.exe
SM >
SM > SP> Is it worth trying?
SM >
SM > In a word, yes! For one thing, it is more current than the Epson Germany
SM > release, and more likely to support your printer. It's not a given, but
it
SM > worth a try.
Well, I went to epson.de, and there it was, epomni.exe, I started
download (some 2.5 MB), and while it was coming, I clicked on html with
the description. To my surprise, no mention of Epson Stylus Color 400,
just 600 and above. And then I saw newer version of the same driver that
I had problem with, EPSON1020.EXE was the name of the file. (My version
was 1011). Decided to go for it (some 4.5MB file), and downloaded it.
Installed it, and it was working without any problems. Go figure. It was
even mentioned in readme that it might not work with codepage 852 (in
fact with any other than 850 or 437), but it did. Finaly, I have printer
under OS/2. :-)
Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska.
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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 17:33:00
To: All 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: Re: NumLock
From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360
From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <Jonathan.de.Boyne.Pollard@p3.f609.n257.z2.
JD > SP> Since I just came in, would you mind to post filename again, if it
is
JD > SP> about a program that will set numlock ON for all OS/2 sessions?
JD >
JD > Why can you not set your echo pointers back and read the preceding
message
Well, having in mind part of text that goes after this, you do have short
fuse, don't you? :-)
JD > This isn't Usenet where there is so much "noise" message traffic that all
b
JD > the very largest sites are forced by the sheer volume to expire
newsgroups
JD > every 2 or 3 days. In Fidonet, nodes tend to keep messages for weeks, if
n
In a way, from my point of view, it is Usenet (it IS Fido, obviously).
Actually, I get OS/2 conferences in a way of UUCP/USENET format.
JD > months, before expiring them. Jack's original message in this thread is
da
JD > a mere 7 days ago and is almost certainly still in your local bossnode's
JD > messagebase.
The problem is, that, being a Sysop of this local BBS, I have asked a
friend in Belgrade to start OS/2 conefernces feed to the BBS, which
started just day before the message about Numlock which I saw appeared.
So, there wasn't a way to anticipate what I'm going to get when it is
about messages, and moreover, no (easy) way to "reset pointers" or do
something like that in UUCP way of exchange between PCBoard and Unix
system.
JD > you link to them -- '&' instead of '+' for some robots -- so that you
don't
JD > into this situation in the first place. You can also use the standard
%RES
JD > directive. Send %HELP to your bossnode's area fixing robot for details.)
See above about how the mail goes in and out of this BBS, and you'll see
that none of that is applicable.
Anyhow, nobody opened fire on me like you did since 1995. Though, at that
time it was live ammo. :-))
JD > As for numlock, there are three ways of going about things:
JD >
JD > 1. If you have a recent OS/2 Warp 4 fixpack, first try the
/NUMON
JD > command-line option to IBMKBD.SYS.
FP9 here, tried, no success.
JD > 2. If you use JP Software's 4OS2 and Take Command for OS/2
command
JD > interpreters, put
JD >
JD > if %_shell% EQ 0 .and. %_ptype% EQ FS keybd /n1
JD >
JD > in your 4START.BTM, and create a TCOS2 program object in your
deskt
JD > Startup folder that has "/c keybd /n1" in the parameters field.
Somehow, I wouldn't like to switch to 4OS2 just because of Numlock
problem.
JD > 3. If both of the above do not apply, download one of the many
nat
JD > OS/2 command-line utilities that can change the keyboard lock state, such
a
JD > for example, KEYLOCKS.EXE from the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version
1.0
JD > (OS2CLU01.ZIP/OS2CLU01.ARJ on any good files site).
I'll try that, thanks.
Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 19-Nov-99 22:13:00
To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to Mike Ruskai
on 11-19-99 19:00 about Communicator Fatal Error...
> Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to All
> on 11-13-99 05:22 about Communicator Fatal Error...
>> Hi,
>> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7.
>> Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a
>> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how
>> to remedy this error?
> The only time I've seen this problem is when Netscape doesn't know where
> it's located. It determines that from an INI entry in the OS2.INI file,
> which won't be there if you go back to an archive from before Netscape was
> installed, or re-install OS/2.
> If that's your problem, the following should solve it for you:
> /* Create Netscape entry in OS2.INI */
SB> I used the utility called Service Center to view what software is
SB> registered in my INI file and it lists a copy of Netscape. Maybe that
SB> is pointing to the older Netscape V2.02 which I still have on disk too?
SB> How do I tell? The strange thing is I've been using V4.04 without any
SB> known problems up until the point I started receiving this error
SB> message.
Run the REXX program I sent with the correct directory. If the entry
already exists, it won't matter. If it doesn't, then it'll be added.
The INI format allows for application, key, and value. The application is
"Netscape", but there are three possible keys - "2.02", "4.0", and "4.6".
The key value is the full path to the base Netscape directory.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 19-Nov-99 22:15:00
To: LINDA PROULX 20-Nov-99 23:27:09
Subj: Re: fdisk /query
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai
on 11-18-99 12:33 about Re: fdisk /query...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD <=-
LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>>
LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP>> **BIOS: 504MB
MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely
MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024
MR> cylinders.
LP> In what way? I have stuff on all the drives/partitions & use them.
How? What version BIOS do you have?
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... Life is like MS Windows... you never know what you're gonna get.
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From: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 19:07:00
To: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 19:07:00
Subj: Ispell ?
Peter Knapper wrote to Will Honea on 11-20-1999
PK> Hi Will,
PK>
PK>
PK> WH> attrib /s /a:d -a c:\*
PK>
PK> WH> Try that on your drives and see if it revives
PK> WH> the program. Long shot but...
PK>
PK> I am runing W4 FP9 here and the online help and attrib /?
PK> dont show the /a:d or -a options. Are these undocumented or
PK> a result of a later fixpak?....pk.
FP11 fixed the directory attributes to reflect the true archive status
where before it was ignored (especially by programmers too lazy or
indifferent to do it right). As a result a lot of programs couldn't
see directories with the archive bit set.
Hmmm.... attrib /? shows the +- A
+R or -R Sets or cancels the read-only attribute.
+S or -S Sets or cancels the system file attribute.
+H or -H Sets or cancels the hidden file attribute.
+A or -A Sets or cancels the archive file attribute.
drive:\path Specifies the drive and directory.
filename Specifies the file you want to change.
/S Processes all subdirectories.
And dir /? shows the /a:? syntax but I don't see where it merges.
Gotta look. Anyway, with FP9 this is all academic. Any chance you're
hitting one of the oddball >2.1gb drive problems with Ispell?
BTW, a lot of your posts have been coming through in duplicate lately.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: George White 18-Nov-99 10:49:29
To: Will Honea 21-Nov-99 06:12:05
Subj: Re: Network
Hi Will,
On 15-Nov-99, Will Honea wrote to George White:
WH> George White wrote to Peter Knapper on 11-11-1999
GW>> page 300 there is a section on AMI BIOS. Page 301, General Rules:
GW>> "If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should
GW>> be 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including
GW>> DOS. Special timing requirements of IDE drives were accomodated
GW>> on the date noted.
WH> George, you miss a very large point here: if the BIOS will support
WH> the IDE drive enough to get far enough into the boot to load
WH> IBM1S506.ADD it doesn't matter WHAT the BIOS timings are - they
WH> are totally irrelevant from that point on. Hence the advice: boot
WH> the system and try it. If you can install, press on and don't
WH> look back.
I've _not_ missed the point at all, you've cut the critical sentence
in Peter Knapper's post that I was responding to. He said:-
PK> I have never seen any statement that suggests "Your BIOS must be
PK> dated after xxx to load/run OS/2", so I will repeat the above
PK> question - What date is your BIOS
So I replied with the quote from the Warp Connect Users Guide (above)
which _does_ suggest that the BIOS must be after a certain date. I
agree with all you say, but IBM are covering their backsides by saying
any AMI BIOS prior to that date should not be used. As usual in the
real world it's a YMMV situation, so it's worth trying as quite
possibly it isn't an issue at all (and doesn't appear to be for
Linda).
George
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From: Holger Granholm 20-Nov-99 17:38:00
To: Eddy Thilleman 21-Nov-99 06:57:07
Subj: AMI BIOS date
In a message dated 11-17-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm:
Hi Eddy,
ET>> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have
ET>> a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell
ET>> where I can find it in this book if it's in there.
ET>In the "Summary of Contents" I read on page xi:
SEE, I told you so ;-) My
manual
ET>Chapter 20. Special Hardware Considerations . . . . 299 315
ET>........
ET>Using Phoenix, AMI, or Micronics BIOS . . . . . . . 300 317
ET> Phoenix BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300 317
ET> AMI BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300 317
ET>...etc...
ET>The back of my copy of the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp" (about Warp 3
ET>ofcourse) says "Printed in Denmark by Scanprint as, Viby J." so the
ET>page numbers in your copy should be the same as in my copy.
No, as you see above, they aren't. My manual is missing the ,Viby J.
from the above text, instead it says below it:
Certified Quality System DS/ISO 9002
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 23:35:00
To: All 21-Nov-99 06:57:07
Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions.....
From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC)
Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360
-=> Quoting Mike Roark to All <=-
DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives,
DD> how
DD> can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready,
DD> simply
DD> because there isn't a disk in the drive?
MR> Doesn't happen here.. Not sure what the problem is.
It happens here as well. Sometimes, sometimes doesn't.
Visit: http://www.targetshop.com/users/level1.asp?refId=349351
Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska. mail to: 4n4da@qsl.net
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From: Peter Knapper 21-Nov-99 22:16:21
To: Will Honea 21-Nov-99 11:34:19
Subj: Ispell ?
Hi Will,
WH> And dir /? shows the /a:? syntax but I don't see where it merges.
FP9 doesn't show /a:? at all for DIR or ATTRIB so it looks like it may have
been added later...
WH> Gotta look. Anyway, with FP9 this is all academic. Any chance you're
WH> hitting one of the oddball >2.1gb drive problems with Ispell?
Sorry, I'm not the one using Ispell, and all my partitions are less than
2Gb.....;-)
WH> BTW, a lot of your posts have been coming through in duplicate lately.
I feed direct back to Zone 1 and that site definately lets me know if it
receives dups from me. It hasn't complained at me in months so any DUP issue
is unlikely to be originating from around here.
Cheers.........pk.
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From: Bat Lang 20-Nov-99 23:45:15
To: Ron Nicholls 21-Nov-99 11:34:19
Subj: Ftp
-=> Quoting Ron Nicholls to All, [19 Nov 99 00:00:00] <=-
RN> Using FTP-PM
RN> Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com'
RN> recently. I get a strangely broken up root list
RN> with no access to any dir even with full
RN> drwx permission.
RN> Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered
RN> if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub .
RN> Other sites behave normaly, very strange.
RN> This started when I went looking for java 118
RN> having seen fixes for same but informed by
RN> soft ware choice that it is not released yet.
I presume you are savvy that the 118 files at hursley are useable ONLY
if you already have installed an earlier 118? Here's from the readme @
ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118
/***************************************************************************/
/* Java for OS/2 service update version JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19991026 */
/* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- */
/***************************************************************************/
/* IMPORTANT: If your current JDK level is not 1.1.8 then ... */
/* */
/* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< */
/* >>> DO NOT INSTALL THIS SERVICE ON TOP OF YOUR EXISTING SYSTEM <<< */
/* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< */
/* */
/* This service is intended only for installation on systems where */
/* JDK 1.1.8 is already installed. This is because the 1.1.8 installation */
/* process updates your OS/2 operating system for JDK 1.1.8, adds the */
/* ICS debugger, and has support for multiple languages. */
/* */
/* If you are NOT currently running JDK 1.1.8 then you should download */
/* the 1.1.8 JDK code (and the latest feature installer if you do not */
/* have it) from //http:/service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog */
/* */
/***************************************************************************/
/* APARS FIXED */
/* ----------- */
/* For a list of APARS fixed in this service update please see the */
/* fixes.lst file in the java11 installation directory. */
/***************************************************************************/
Self extract zip files available
--------------------------------
runtime.exe - Runtime files which are always required.
toolkit.exe - Toolkit required to develop java programs.
samples.exe - Sample java programs.
os2jre.exe - Java Runtime Environment if required.
rmi-iiop-toolkit.exe - Remote Method Invocation - Internet Inter Orb Protocol
if required.
Installation of the JDK
-----------------------
1/ Back up your existing JAVA11 directory and sub directories.
2/ Make sure you are using the binary ftp option.
3/ Download runtime.exe, toolkit.exe and samples.exe
4/ Stop any JVMs that are currently using files in the java11 directory tree.
5/ From the root directory of the drive where Java is installed
run each of the three downloaded EXE files in turn.
NOTE: These zip files should be installed OVER your existing installation
directory tree, not into an empty directory.
6/ Type java -fullversion to verify that you are now running the updated
level
of Java.
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From: Stewart Buckingham 21-Nov-99 09:53:19
To: Wes Newell 21-Nov-99 11:34:19
Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS
Hi Wes,
>> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how
>> to remedy this error?
>> Is there anything missing/weird about my config.sys
>> statements? I'd like to be running Communicator 4.04 as
>> my main browser and eventually remove Netscape 2.02
>> after I'm satisfied with 4.04.
> Have you tried to create a new user for Netscape? Couldn't find an
os2pref.js
>file on my 4.6 system, but did find a pref*.js for each account name under
the
> Netscape users dir. Perhaps your file got corrupt. Go to netscape folder and
> create another user and try again. Don't know if this will help or not, but
> it's a place to start.
Thanks for your input. The problem is Netscape won't even load. Neither will
the Java 1.1.8 Install. Both programs give me this same error message.
Stu/2
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From: Rachel Veraa 20-Nov-99 12:48:10
To: Roy J. Tellason 21-Nov-99 11:34:19
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
In a message to Rachel Veraa, Roy J. Tellason wrote:
RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long
RV> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files?
RJT> Are you talking about going between machines, or what? Seems to
RJT> me that if so, using ftp would be one way to do it.
Between partitions on the same machine. I've got a 1 Gig FAT partition with
Win95 on it -- the rest of my system is on either HPFS or EXT2 partitions
which are invisible to Win.
Now, the only thing I use Windows for (because I don't have equivalent OS/2
programs) are processing sound files (with GoldWave) and converting ra files
to wav (with RA2WAV). Everything else is done on HPFS partitions under OS/2.
So I download, let's say, an RA file with a long filename on an HPFS directory
(if I downloaded to the FAT C: drive, I'd lose the filename). But ra is a PITA
to play on OS/2, so I have to copy it to C: (with an 8x3 filename), reboot to
win95, convert to *.wav reboot to Warp, and move the file back to my HPFS WAV
archive, renaming back to the original long filename (if I can remember it) to
play with twavep. _ Then_ if I want to edit or modify the file, I have to go
through the whole same rigamarole to edit it on the C: drive with Gwave, and
put it back on HPFS, where I can convert to MP3 and burn onto a CD if it turns
out to be worth keeping.
Moving back and forth between FAT and HPFS (and rebooting) is PITA enough, but
all this shifting between long and 8x3 filenames is really a tedious business.
As I understand it, the Win95 long filename is just stored as an 8x3 DOS
abbreviation, with the long name kept in a file someplace, to be reassembled.
Only I don't know how this is done. But for someone who knows programming, it
seems like it wouldn't be too hard to read the long name of an HPFS file, and
copy it to a FAT partition with the filename truncated at 6 bytes plus a tilde
and id number, and add the complete filesname to wherever Win95 keeps them --
and vice versa..
So I was hoping someone would've done that by now.
N'a pale pi ta,
Rachel
http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/
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From: Jerry Nichols 20-Nov-99 23:11:27
To: Linda Proulx 21-Nov-99 14:18:18
Subj: Re: Get Going
Hi Linda Proulx,
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> Just discovered a mess of new printers are Win9X only. P.O.ed me all
LP> to..... And in order to get anything comperable would have to pay
LP> $800.00 for Warp use. Sheesh.
http://www.buy.com/surplus/product.asp?sku=70000013
How's $220 no shippiing till after first year?
Later, Jerry Nichols
jnichols@tcia.net
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From: Rich Wonneberger 21-Nov-99 10:29:15
To: Peter Knapper 21-Nov-99 14:18:18
Subj: Dupe messages
*** Quoting Peter Knapper to Will Honea dated 11-21-99 ***
> WH> BTW, a lot of your posts have been coming through in duplicate
> lately.
>
> I feed direct back to Zone 1 and that site definately lets me know if
> it receives dups from me. It hasn't complained at me in months so any
> DUP issue is unlikely to be originating from around here.
Peter,
I've noticed a few here also. They have different message id's so they look
like different messages.
Rich
I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net
... What World Are You On? I'd Like To Visit Sometime.
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From: Wes Newell 21-Nov-99 08:26:06
To: Stewart Buckingham 21-Nov-99 14:18:18
Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS
> create another user and try again. Don't know if this
> will help or not, but
> it's a place to start.
SB> Thanks for your input. The problem is Netscape won't
SB> even load. Neither will the Java 1.1.8 Install. Both
SB> programs give me this same error message.
Did you try and run the User Profile Manager in the netscape folder?
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From: Stewart Buckingham 21-Nov-99 17:16:18
To: MIKE RUSKAI 21-Nov-99 14:18:18
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
Hi Mike,
>> I used the utility called Service Center to view what software is
>> registered in my INI file and it lists a copy of Netscape. Maybe that
>> is pointing to the older Netscape V2.02 which I still have on disk too?
>> How do I tell? The strange thing is I've been using V4.04 without any
>> known problems up until the point I started receiving this error
>> message.
> Run the REXX program I sent with the correct directory. If the entry
> already exists, it won't matter. If it doesn't, then it'll be added.
I run the REXX script. It gave me a message that "Netscape INI entry
successfully added". It didn't help though. I still get the error message..
"Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting" when Communicator is loading. I get the
same message (as you would have seen from a later message) when trying to load
Java 1.1.8 Install.exe. Does that provide any additional clues?
Stu/2
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From: Zdravko Blagdan 17-Nov-99 03:35:23
To: Will Honea 21-Nov-99 14:18:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 3 fixpack
-=> Will Honea wrote to Zdravko Blagdan <=-
WH> FP40 is the last fixpak that will apply to Warp 3 unless you have a
WH> support contract from IBM and get special versions of the later fixpaks
WH> from IBM support (expen$ive!) or cheat and modify syslevel.os2. FP 41
WH> an up are intended for Warp Server 4 ONLY. That said, FP40 has device
WH> driver updates and is rock solid. I would suggest that as the one and
WH> only you need to apply.
Thanks. I did heard some rumours about that. It's strange (but not for
IBM).
Blagi
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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil 20-Nov-99 11:13:08
To: Stephen Haffly 21-Nov-99 21:30:15
Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions.....
On Stardate 16 Nov 99 12:02:15, Stephen Haffly Communicated the Following
To Will Honea, Regarding More OS/2 Questions........
SH> How come I can't seem to get the motherboard com ports working with OS/2
SH> Warp 4? I always have to disable them and put in a serial card.
SH> Meanwhile, DOS and the dominant OS seem to see and work with them just
SH> fine.
SH>
SH> This has been the case with more than one motherboard, anything from a
SH> 486VIP to my current VA-503+. Is there a secret that I don't know
SH> about?
I don't know, but they work fine with my FIC VA503+ w/ AMD K6-400...
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From: Roy J. Tellason 21-Nov-99 11:34:28
To: Rachel Veraa 21-Nov-99 21:30:15
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
Rachel Veraa wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:
RV> As I understand it, the Win95 long filename is just stored as
RV> an 8x3 DOS abbreviation, with the long name kept in a file
RV> someplace, to be reassembled. Only I don't know how this is
RV> done. But for someone who knows programming, it seems like it
RV> wouldn't be too hard to read the long name of an HPFS file, and
RV> copy it to a FAT partition with the filename truncated at 6
RV> bytes plus a tilde and id number, and add the complete
RV> filesname to wherever Win95 keeps them -- and vice versa..
RV> So I was hoping someone would've done that by now.
I see what you're trying to do there, and don't have an answer for you
offhand. I will be looking with some interest to see what others may have to
say on the subject.
RV> N'a pale pi ta,
RV> Rachel
What does that mean?
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 20-Nov-99 18:38:00
To: DANIELA ENGERT 21-Nov-99 21:30:15
Subj: Dos C drive
Some senseless babbling from Daniela Engert to Mike Ruskai
on 11-18-99 18:25 about Dos C drive...
DE> Hi MIKE!
DE> Thus quoth MIKE RUSKAI to LINDA PROULX:
MR> There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a
MR> word used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact
MR> happening when you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No
MR> changes to the partition are made. Nothing is written to disk.
DE> Not true. With Bootmanager installed, each partition *has* a status.
DE> For logical drives it is stored in the partition table sector at offset
DE> 18Ah. Bit 2 is the 'installable' state.
I tested this when I wrote the FDISK wrapper, to see what parameters were
being passed. I dumped the partition table sector before running FDISK
/SI:FS, setting a partition installable, and exiting. Then I dumped the
partition table sector afterwards. Not a single bit was changed. I just
confirmed my original test. The byte at 0x18A is 0x01 before and after.
The only indication FDISK gave for which drive was set installable was the
exit code.
However, when I set a partition installable that wasn't already bootable,
and adding it to BM's menu during the process, the byte at 0x18A does
acquire a value of 0x05. However, with the same partition, setting it
bootable first, then installable leaves 0x18A at 0x01.
So, while that bit might be the designed way of indicating an installable
partition, it isn't used in practice. OS/2 installs without incidident on
drives already set bootable, which don't have that bit modified at all.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... Cats are not pets; they own the house and let you live there.
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From: Jack Stein 20-Nov-99 08:41:25
To: Murray Lesser 22-Nov-99 00:11:17
Subj: Small programs
Murray Lesser wrote in a message to John Angelico:
JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was
>that program I wrote way back when...." <g>
ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function"
ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file
ML> is 619 bytes.
I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM by Jay
Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory.
Jack
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From: Murray Lesser 21-Nov-99 08:46:00
To: Linda Proulx 21-Nov-99 08:46:00
Subj: Install
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-18-99, John Angelico to Linda Proulx)
Hi Linda,
JA>I agree with everything but this one:
LA>
LA> > FCBS=16,8
LA> Set this to "8,4"
LA>
JA>Since this is for MS-PC-DOS v1.x support ONLY, I suggest that you
>make it "2,2" which is the minimum possible.
Nonsense. Programmers of old DOS programs used FCBs long after DOS
1.x came out, even though the documentation told them not to (who reads
the docs?). What to set FCBS= depends on which DOS programs you are
running, not what version of DOS they were written under (something you
have no way of knowing unless you wrote them <G>).
Besides, an FCB uses about 36 bytes, so deleting some of them saves
so little memory space that it isn't worth the effort! Such nonsense is
DOS-think at its worst. I left my CONFIG.SYS entry at the default 16,8.
There is another piece of OS/2 conventional wisdom floating around
(based on the same DOS-think) that says to severely cut the default
value in BUFFERS=90. IIRC, each "buffer" uses 518 bytes, so the default
90 of them uses less than 46 KB. The IBM Warp 3 performance white paper
(WARPPERF.ASC) says:
BUFFERS=90
Buffers are physical memory used to support partial sector reads
and writes in a FAT file system environment. They are also used
to cache FAT directory entries and for swap file disk I/O.
Because BUFFERS are used to cache FAT directory entries, this
number should not be reduced below 60, unless you are not using
the FAT file system on your disks. Reducing this number will
increase the number of disk reads that are done to the FAT
directory entries and therefore slow down your system.
You have to remember that you have much more "conventional memory"
available under a VDM than you ever had under "real" DOS, and the rules
of thumb learned under many years of using DOS may no longer be
applicable.
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser 21-Nov-99 09:48:01
To: John Angelico 21-Nov-99 09:48:01
Subj: Installation problem
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-18-99, John Angelico to Jack Stein)
JA>On 15/11/1999, Jack Stein said to Linda Proulx about Installation
>problem:
JS>
JS> That was a bug in WARP 3 that was there for one day, on the
JS> day of it's intial release. You could not buy, or it was
JS> difficult to find a copy of that, as they pulled it and
JS> fixed that on the first day.
JS>Don't believe everything you read in Unleashed.
JS>
JA>Oh, no! Jack - you have just introduced a bug into Linda's mental
>source code - and she's going to have to look at EVERYTHING in
>Unleashed with a jaundiced eye...
Actually, she should look at any documentation with a jaundiced eye,
and check it out by experiment if it doesn't smell right. But she will
need much more experience under OS/2 than she has now, before she will
feel comfortable doing so. However, the "OS/2 Unleashed" books are
rather unusual for third-party texts. It appears that the authors
actually tried most of the things they say rather than merely copying
them out of the vendor's documentation. However, they probably used the
very earliest copies of OS/2 Warp to work from, which may be why Jack
found this error. So, she is probably safe accepting their word unless
Jack tells her not to :-).
Of course, I disagree with many of the "recommendations" made in
"Unleashed," but I have been playing this game long enough to have
prejudices of my own :-).
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Herbert Rosenau 21-Nov-99 17:07:08
To: Peter French 22-Nov-99 07:24:19
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
PF> BUT no joy. I used to have my Warp4 client completely quiet but
PF> with a new installation of WfeB I'm afraid the change has
PF> disappeared. I've tried,
PF> SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C
PF> SET AUTOFAIL=YES
The setup from my Node:
AUTOFAIL=YES - without SET! All errorors are true errors
SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C - without SET! no popup if error
PAUSEONERROR = NO - without SET! don't wait for anything in case of
error
REIPL=ON - without SET! in unattended mode this will
automatically reboot
if system traps
SET RESTARTOBJECTS=STARTUPFOLDERsONLY - open only views in startup folderS
- don't start anything else
SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,LAUNCHPAD,WARPCENTER
where the WARPCENTER should be omitted if you have low RAM. It my hung the
WPS.
PF> -!- Maximus/2 2.02
A shadow of the batch should be in startupfolder. So the system restarts
alwasy correct.
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From: Herbert Rosenau 21-Nov-99 21:43:16
To: Ian Moote 22-Nov-99 07:24:19
Subj: Clunker update
IM> I found your post very interesting and informative. Thanks.
IM> What's "Strg" supposed to be? Do you mean the System Request
IM> (SysReq) key?
Oh, Strg is on englich keyboards Ctrl.
Tschau/Bye
Herbert
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From: Roy J. Tellason 22-Nov-99 00:07:07
To: Jack Stein 22-Nov-99 07:24:19
Subj: Small programs
Jack Stein wrote in a message to Murray Lesser:
JS> Murray Lesser wrote in a message to John Angelico:
JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was
>that program I wrote way back when...." <g>
ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function"
ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file
ML> is 619 bytes.
JS> I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written
JS> in ASM by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory.
If we're talking about stuff _we wrote_, the all-time winner has to be a
clear-screen com file I wrote to run under CP/M for a system that didn't have
such a function. It was a whopping 7 bytes long, including an operating
system call! <g>
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From: Peter Knapper 22-Nov-99 18:52:14
To: Rich Wonneberger 22-Nov-99 07:24:19
Subj: Dupe messages
Hi Rich,
RW> I've noticed a few here also. They have different
RW> message id's so they look like different messages.
I dont suppose you have the PATH lines from both of them?.........pk.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 21-Nov-99 15:39:00
To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 22-Nov-99 07:24:19
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to Mike Ruskai
on 11-21-99 17:16 about Communicator Fatal Error...
SB> Hi Mike,
>> I used the utility called Service Center to view what software is
>> registered in my INI file and it lists a copy of Netscape. Maybe that
>> is pointing to the older Netscape V2.02 which I still have on disk too?
>> How do I tell? The strange thing is I've been using V4.04 without any
>> known problems up until the point I started receiving this error
>> message.
> Run the REXX program I sent with the correct directory. If the entry
> already exists, it won't matter. If it doesn't, then it'll be added.
SB> I run the REXX script. It gave me a message that "Netscape INI entry
SB> successfully added". It didn't help though. I still get the error
SB> message.. "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting" when Communicator is
SB> loading. I get the same message (as you would have seen from a later
SB> message) when trying to load Java 1.1.8 Install.exe. Does that provide
SB> any additional clues?
No, because the Java installation program uses Netscape for the install.
Your best bet at this point would be to install Netscape over the old
version. If your settings are still there to be preserved, they will be.
Otherwise, you'll get a usable os2pref.js file without deleting anything.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: Murray Lesser 22-Nov-99 10:52:00
To: Jack Stein 22-Nov-99 10:52:00
Subj: Small programs
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-20-99, Jack Stein to Murray Lesser)
Hi Jack--
JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was
>that program I wrote way back when...." <g>
ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function"
ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file
ML> is 619 bytes.
JS>I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM
>by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory.
You are comparing apples and oranges. David's DLL lives on the disk
in a file containing 619 bytes. If I ask EXEHDR about TELLBOOT.DLL, it
tells me that it lives in 46H (70 decimal) bytes of "virtual memory."
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Rachel Veraa 21-Nov-99 20:47:05
To: Larry Snider 22-Nov-99 19:44:15
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
In a message to Rachel Veraa, Larry Snider wrote:
rv> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long
rv> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files
LS> Transfer over what kind medium?
From one partition to another on the same machine.
N'a pale pi ta,
Rachel
http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/
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From: Stewart Buckingham 22-Nov-99 10:06:02
To: Wes Newell 22-Nov-99 19:44:15
Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS
Hi Wes,
>> create another user and try again. Don't know if this
>> will help or not, but
>> it's a place to start.
>> Thanks for your input. The problem is Netscape won't
>> even load. Neither will the Java 1.1.8 Install. Both
>> programs give me this same error message.
> Did you try and run the User Profile Manager in the netscape folder?
Nope. Anyhow, I just tried it, but I still get the same error message :(
Stu/2
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From: Stewart Buckingham 22-Nov-99 22:55:21
To: MIKE RUSKAI 22-Nov-99 19:44:15
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
Hi Mike,
> Your best bet at this point would be to install Netscape over the old
> version. If your settings are still there to be preserved, they will be.
> Otherwise, you'll get a usable os2pref.js file without deleting anything.
Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator archive but
unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has yet admitted they
actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I would be interested in
seeing what it looks like, and in which directory it resides.
Stu/2
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From: Kenneth Abrams 21-Nov-99 17:27:09
To: Linda Proulx 22-Nov-99 19:44:15
Subj: FTP & Telenet
Hello Linda,
13 Nov 99 19:33, Linda Proulx wrote to David Randall:
DR>> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can
DR>> choose to use either or both.
LP> But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS?
Very easily. Launching a BBS is really a secondary function of a front door
program, whose primary purpose is typically exchanging (Fido)mail. Every front
door type program I've looked at can be configured as a mail only node. The
difference is in the program's response when the calling end *isn't*
negotiating a mail exchange. If configured for BBS operation, the front end
will usually exit, signalling a separate program, the BBS, to run. If
configured for mail only, the front end will just refuse and terminate the
non-mail connection and recycle, ready for the next call. Front Door, for
example, will exit on an errorlevel, which can then be checked in the batch
file driving it to branch to the section that executes the BBS. If configured
for mail only, it just refuses the connection and doesn't exit.
As for the mail side of things, you just use a mailbase that's not directly a
part of a BBS program. Myself, I've usually (and presently) use squish
messagebases. The first time I operated as a point, I was using Front Door as
a front end (DOS), both with and without a BBS as part of the mix. Played with
TriBBS for a little while but never officially set anything up. Original setup
was Front Door, Squish, and GoldEd. TriBBS was a temporary thing in the middle
of that period, totally separate from the mail system.
Presently, I'm operating as a point with neither a front end nor a BBS. Just a
messagebase, an editor, and a handful of REXX scripts tying it all together
with internet email attachments as a transport.
Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)
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From: Kenneth Abrams 21-Nov-99 17:46:19
To: Linda Proulx 22-Nov-99 19:44:15
Subj: SETUP
Hello Linda,
13 Nov 99 22:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
LP> I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff
LP> on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work around to
LP> do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until
On one of the pages during the install, where you select optional components,
there's a menu at the top which includes within it an option to set certain
software parameters, including the location of the swapfile.
Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)
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From: Kenneth Abrams 21-Nov-99 17:56:16
To: Jack Stein 22-Nov-99 19:44:15
Subj: Get Going
Hello Jack,
12 Nov 99 22:14, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger:
JS> Are you running WARP 4? I was wondering how much disk space that
JS> would require? I guess it depends a lot on what all you install, and
JS> where your put some of the things.
I'm currently running Warp 4, at FP9 level, swapfile at default location,
nothing but the os installed to its partition, other than a few minor things
like some EPM files added, etc. Currently using 240M of a 300M partition with
the swapfile set to 64M.
Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net)
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From: Jack Pfisterer 22-Nov-99 08:52:00
To: SINISA PAVLOVIC 22-Nov-99 19:44:15
Subj: Re: Another leaky fixpak?
-=> SINISA PAVLOVIC wrote to All <=-
JP > Suggestions would be appreciated. (BTW, I've already installed
JP > pmmerge.dll from pmr00052. I think it improved things a bit; but
SP> Where I can find it? I have occasional errors on pmmerge.dll with
SP> Acrobat Reader for OS/2, so new one might help me?
Contact Ivan Adzhubei, ivan@protein.bio.msu.su and ask if he still has
it available for FTP. That's where I got the copy I installed. I've
heard there's an even-newer one out, but haven't been able to locate it.
If all else fails, check back with me and I can attach it to an e-mail.
The ZIP is a little over one meg in size and also includes a newer
keyboard.dcp.
Jack P. - jnpf@usa.net
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From: Peter French 22-Nov-99 00:00:00
To: Herbert Rosenau 22-Nov-99 00:00:00
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
On 1999/11/21, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Peter French on message number 749;
Hi Herbert,
HR>
HR> PF> SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C
HR> PF> SET AUTOFAIL=YES
HR>
HR> The setup from my Node:
HR>
HR> AUTOFAIL=YES - without SET! All errorors are true errors
HR> SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C - without SET! no popup if error
FIXED - how stupid can one be - I spent hours tracing this problem, because
I
knew my system used to be quiet. Interesting that the system didn't complain
about the wrong syntax. Thanks for the help, I hope the original poster "gets
the message"
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From: Rich Wonneberger 22-Nov-99 19:45:19
To: Peter Knapper 23-Nov-99 00:16:07
Subj: Dupe messages
*** Quoting Peter Knapper to Rich Wonneberger dated 11-22-99 ***
> I dont suppose you have the PATH lines from both of them?.........pk.
The path and reply info was the same:
reply 1:348/807.0 382e35aa
path 772/1 270/101
The message was was not:
msgid 3:772/1.10 38311ba6
msgid 3:772/1.10 3830fa10
The funny thing, there were 5 messages from you there. 2 dupes (2 topics) and
a third topic that did not have a dupe. Looks like it packed the first 2
messages, re-packed them, then packed the third.
Rich
I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net
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From: Gary Crain 22-Nov-99 17:56:03
To: Stewart Buckingham 23-Nov-99 00:16:07
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
On Nov 22, 1999, at 22:55, Stewart Buckingham of 6:751/222 wrote:
Hi Stewart,
SB> Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator
SB> archive but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has
SB> yet admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I
SB> would be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which
SB> directory it resides.
I just checked here (I have 4.04 and 4.61 installed) and there is no such
file. I do have a prefs.js in :\netscape\users\gcrain. Here's the file
listing for it;
prefs.js 8350 11-22-1999 15:55
Gary
gcrain@infomail.com
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From: Scott Jones 22-Nov-99 20:44:12
To: Jack Pfisterer 23-Nov-99 06:06:09
Subj: Re: Another leaky fixpak?
-=> On 22 Nov 99 08:52:00, Jack Pfisterer wrote to SINISA PAVLOVIC <=-
SP> Where I can find it? I have occasional errors on pmmerge.dll with
SP> Acrobat Reader for OS/2, so new one might help me?
JP> Contact Ivan Adzhubei, ivan@protein.bio.msu.su and ask if he still has
JP> it available for FTP. That's where I got the copy I installed. I've
JP> heard there's an even-newer one out, but haven't been able to locate
JP> it.
It might've been removed from testcase not long after I snagged it.
Haven't had any pmmerge problems, though, so I haven't installed it.
JP> If all else fails, check back with me and I can attach it to an e-mail.
JP> The ZIP is a little over one meg in size and also includes a newer
JP> keyboard.dcp.
The newer one is also just over a meg, but has no keyboard.dcp (has the
pmmerge.sym, instead). If you want it, drop me a line at my address
below.
Scott Jones
(sjones@crosswinds.net)
... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
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From: Holger Granholm 22-Nov-99 20:30:00
To: Sinisa Pavlovic 23-Nov-99 06:55:08
Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions..
In a message dated 11-20-99, Sinisa Pavlovic said to All:
SP>It happens here as well. Sometimes, sometimes doesn't.
SP>Visit: http://www.targetshop.com/users/level1.asp?refId=349351
Why??
CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC
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From: Dave Davidson 22-Nov-99 16:25:16
To: All 23-Nov-99 06:55:08
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
I've "just about" got OS/2 setup to the point where it's a usable system
however, I have a bunch of questions I've not been able to resolve....
(1) Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way to print a
file from FC/2? None of the commands nor pull down menu's indicate
that function. For example, if I edit a .CMD file in FC/2 and want to
print it out for future reference, is there a way to do it within
FC/2?
(2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work
properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4
(verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys file
that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3).
If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an
error message on boot up high lighting 03E8. If I leave that out, SIO
indicates a PCMCIA modem and says "Nothing Found". I've tried a
variety of combinations ie; leaving out the speed, using only
abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go.
Darn thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS.
Any idea as to what I'm doing wrong?
(3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When deleting
a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as well as
a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes to
delete the OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I could
re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's).
(4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to find an
OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS directory, which is in the
path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also HPFS) or
Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it?
(5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) of having
Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I didn't choose that
option as I didn't know what it would do. I'm using Netscape v4.61 and
so far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly due to
the SIO problems mentioned above.
Whew... that outta be enough for now... <g>
I'm going to be home all this week, so I would like to get as much of OS/2
setup as possible. I may not have this much time again for quite a while.
Thanks....
Have a GREAT one!
Dave Davidson dad50@primary.net
dad500@aol.com
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From: Ian Moote 23-Nov-99 08:03:00
To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 23-Nov-99 12:23:16
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
SB> Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator
SB> archive but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has
SB> yet admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I
SB> would be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which
SB> directory it resides.
I'm one of the previous respondants. I misread your original post and
thought that you were posting about the "prefs.js" file in the users'
subdirectories. Just to confirm, I don't have an os2pref.js file on my
system.
As I suggested, did you try renaming it to see if Netscape would
recreate a clean one?
Take care and TTYL.
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From: Roy J. Tellason 23-Nov-99 11:19:24
To: Dave Davidson 23-Nov-99 18:38:28
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
Dave Davidson wrote in a message to All:
DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted
DD> to find an OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS
DD> directory, which is in the path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS),
DD> but not on Drive D (also HPFS) or Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know
DD> why and how to correct it?
While I understand that there's an OS/2 port of the original app, it's also
my understanding that this is only 16-bit code, and that it has some
problems. I forget which version I'm using, but there are at least a couple
of different alternatives out there:
LIST1_38.ZIP 151039 04-25-98 [ 1] LIST2 for OS/2 2.x, Release 1.38. An
OS/2 & DOS freeware file viewer. Load OS/2,
MAC & Unix text files. Supports redirected
stdin. Freeware.
LIST75H.ZIP 18675 06-10-92 [ ]
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From: Jack Stein 21-Nov-99 20:56:22
To: John Angelico 23-Nov-99 18:38:28
Subj: Installation problem
John Angelico wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
JS> That was a bug in WARP 3 that was there for one day, on the
JS> day of it's intial release. You could not buy, or it was
JS> difficult to find a copy of that, as they pulled it and
JS> fixed that on the first day.
JS>Don't believe everything you read in Unleashed.
JA> Oh, no! Jack - you have just introduced a bug into Linda's
JA> mental source code - and she's going to have to look at
JA> EVERYTHING in Unleashed with a jaundiced eye...
That wouldn't be a bad idea. I think she should start off installing things
the way most in here advised. Once she gets everything running, she should
grab a copy of:
CFGINFO7.ZIP OS/2 Config.sys Optimizer! Sysop Recommended! (188K)
That should get her somewhat familar with how to tune up her config.sys file.
Then, she should fool around for a few weeks, learning how to set up DOS
sessions, how to get her windows 3x running if she wants that, then she will
have a good grasp of things w/o much need for a book. I'd guess she would
come up with enough questions for the users in here to keep her and us busy
for a good while.
I guess right now she needs to find out exactly why her system is locking up,
or losing the mouse, or whatever is going on. If it's her old BIOS, then
she's out of luck for now, but she can get 486 mother boards for next to
nothing today. A guy around here was selling 486's for $60 with 16 megs ram
and VGA monitors. Thats not much for a complete system. Not much reason to
be running a 386 with a 1990 BIOS, thats for sure. Thats like 2 cartons of
smokes...
Jack
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From: Jaap van.Veen 23-Nov-99 20:14:23
To: All 23-Nov-99 20:10:11
Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40
Hallo All,
As I have recalled earlier, my system (486DX2 66) is much faster with FP40
installed. This has to do with the faster handling of the harddisk.
However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is not serviced in time
causing overruns. Does somebody know how I can avoid overrun of COM1.
I am using SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS since the beginning of my dealing with
OS/2.
Jaap
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From: Eddy Thilleman 22-Nov-99 11:45:20
To: Holger Granholm 23-Nov-99 20:10:11
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello Holger,
20 Nov 99 17:38, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
HG> No, as you see above, they aren't. My manual is missing the ,Viby J.
HG> from the above text, instead it says below it:
HG> Certified Quality System DS/ISO 9002
Despite they are both printed in Denmark, the copies are different.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Would you rather work at a Desq or clean Windows?
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From: Eddy Thilleman 22-Nov-99 19:50:24
To: Rachel Veraa 23-Nov-99 20:10:11
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
Hello Rachel,
20 Nov 99 12:48, Rachel Veraa wrote to Roy J. Tellason:
RV> So I was hoping someone would've done that by now.
This is already done, several people have replied (including me) pointing to
the webpage where you can find the OS2FAT32 driver. Haven't you received these
messages?
In case you didn't receive them: http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/
the file is os2fat32.zip
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Deja moo: I've seen that cow before
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From: James Byrnes 23-Nov-99 22:26:00
To: all 23-Nov-99 22:26:00
Subj: E-Trade
Is anyone using Communicator 4.61 to sucessfully logon to E-Trade and
view their portfolio?
I can logon and go to the portfolio tab, but if once there I try to
change the view, say from performance to quick, instead of being shown
the view I requested I am shown the logon page again. If I try to logon
again I am given an error message saying that I am trying to logon from
a page in the cache.
I loaded Windows and used IE 5 and it worked as it should so it is not
the site.
I booted up my other machine and tried Communicator 4.04 for OS/2 and
it did not work, but when I tried Netscape 2.02 for OS/2 it worked.
I have tried emptying the cache, both memory and disk, but it did not
help.
Does anyone have any ideas as to what is going on here?
Regards, Jim
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From: Will Honea 23-Nov-99 20:18:00
To: Dave Davidson 23-Nov-99 20:18:00
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
Dave Davidson wrote to All on 11-22-1999
DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work
DD> properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4
DD> (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys file
DD> that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3).
DD> If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an
DD> error message on boot up high lighting 03E8. If I leave that out, SIO
DD> indicates a PCMCIA modem and says "Nothing Found". I've tried a
DD> variety of combinations ie; leaving out the speed, using only
DD> abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go.
DD> Darn thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS.
DD> Any idea as to what I'm doing wrong?
I assume you commented out comm.sys and vcomm.sys? Does the SIO
splash screen show com1/com2? Open the hardware manager (System setup
folder) and check the comm ports and IRQ's in use - that may tell you
something. Remember, you can't share IRQ's in OS/2 and IRQ4 conflicts
with the 'normal' com1 usage. RMVIEW /? will give you the options and
you can probably figure out what's going on from there. If you can't
figure out what it's telling you, run RMVIEW /DC > [file] and post the
file. Maybe someone can see the problem
DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When deleting
DD> a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as well as
DD> a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes to
DD> delete the OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I could
DD> re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's).
There's a free ware deltree out there for OS/2 that works fine. It
may be in a file called FMUTILS (from hobbes, etc) but I'm not sure. I
can email it as an attachment if you don't find it. It's one of the
must-haves for me.
DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to find an
DD> OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS directory, which is in
the
DD> path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also HPFS) or
DD> Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it?
Probably 1.75f or so - it can't see partitions and/or logical drives
>2.1 gb and it does not see long file names. I suggest Hyperview. I
use the text mode version and it's about the nearest thing to a list
replacement I've found.
DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) of
having
DD> Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I didn't choose that
DD> option as I didn't know what it would do. I'm using Netscape v4.61
and
DD> so far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly due to
DD> the SIO problems mentioned above.
You mean other than the coffe break you take while it loads?
Actually, it's based on a rev 3 core and is not available in the 128
bit secure version. Java support is also not very good - even if you
can get it working.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Stephen Haffly 22-Nov-99 12:00:29
To: Will Honea 24-Nov-99 00:26:12
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
On (17 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Stephen Haffly...
Hi Will,
SH> How come I can't seem to get the motherboard com ports working
SH> with OS/2 Warp 4? I always have to disable them and put in a serial
SH> card. Meanwhile, DOS and the dominant OS seem to see and work with
SH> them just fine.
WH> SH>
SH> This has been the case with more than one motherboard, anything
SH> from a 486VIP to my current VA-503+. Is there a secret that I don't
SH> know about?
WH> TO be succinct: beats the hell out of me! Obvious questions: do you
WH> have the comm ports enabled as COM1, COM2 in the bios setup? Did you
WH> ever run 'full hardware detect' on boot? I'd ask if you had comm.sys
WH> loaded, but since you see the addin board that would be insulting<g>.
WH> My 503 works like a champ - external modem on com2 - with the only
WH> differnce being the use of SIO.
Thanks for the reply. Answers: Tried it with enabled as COM1 and COM2.
I don't recall if I did try the "full hardware detect", but didn't need
to do that with the add-in card for it to be detected. Actually, I am
using SIO as well. Maybe I need to revert back to comm.sys to test as
well.
I'm a bit leery about running the "full hardware detect". Last time I
did it, it changed the settings for my sound card, and I had a devil of
a time getting sound back working the way it should. I finally had to
boot to DOS and run a utility to reset the card back to what it should
have been.
I used to need three com ports with my old motherboard. Now I run the
touchpad on the PS/2 port, and need com1 for my UPS and com2 for my
modem.
TTYL,
Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.
... If it ain't broke, we can fix that.
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From: Stephen Haffly 22-Nov-99 12:09:05
To: Will Honea 24-Nov-99 00:26:12
Subj: Missing Window control..
On (18 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Stephen Haffly...
I Will,
SH> Is there any way to patch the PostRoad code so that it works
SH> properly then?
WH> I did a quick and dirty that seemed to work for the simple tests I
WH> tried, but that code is NOT well organized so I would hesitate to put
WH> it out.
WH> Actually, there are 2 very simple solutions: revert to FP10 or
WH> earlier or update to FP12.
I tend to wait a bit anymore to install fixpaks. I had stayed at 10,
and only recently installed 12, skipping 11 with its problem. I guess I
could begin looking for a replacement for Post Road Mailer and Post Road
Newsreader. The problem is that I am so familiar with PR Mailer. I
rely on the metagroups for PRNR, and don't know if there is anything
similar in any other news client out there. Maybe it is time to ask
what people's favorite news reader is, and why.
TTYL,
Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.
... If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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From: Stephen Haffly 22-Nov-99 12:14:03
To: Linda Proulx 24-Nov-99 00:26:12
Subj: Get Going
On (18 Nov 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Stephen Haffly...
Hi Linda,
SH> That's because you've been using Geoworks Ensemble. Both that and OS/2
LP> Trying to remember if I ever asked about the OS/2 settings for GE & if
LP> I did, I do have them saved.
OK, open a full-screen DOS session and install GWE, but don't run it
yet. At the conclusion of the installation, exit. Find the system
folder and the "Add Programs" icon. You can either let it search and
add automatically, or tell it you want to control the process. Select
to search for DOS programs, and when it finishes building the list,
select the GEOS entry. OS/2 will then set it up complete with the
proper icon in your "additional DOS programs" folder. All the
paremeters should be properly set for you just to double-click the icon
and start in GWE.
For printing, don't forget to open the printer object to the settings
notebook, open the properties for the printer and then for the LPT port
and make sure the checkbox for "Share access" is checked. That will
enable the files from GWE to be printed without having to exit GWE.
That is about it. Let me know how it all works out.
TTYL,
Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.
... Proverbs 3:13 | Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...
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From: Wes Newell 23-Nov-99 21:02:08
To: Dave Davidson 24-Nov-99 06:35:29
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When deleting
Well, I paid for dos years ago so I didn't see a reason not use it's command
files when I moved to OS/2. Deltree works fine here in a dos session. Or you
could always just delete the folder (along with all the files) by opening the
drive icons. Or you could do it from file manager. I have to admit that I
prefer deltree though.:-)
DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to find an
DD> OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS
DD> directory, which is in the
DD> path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also HPFS)
or
DD> Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it?
Sadly the OS/2 version I have chokes on drives larger than 2 gig. However the
dos version runs fine.
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From: Holger Granholm 23-Nov-99 19:15:00
To: All 24-Nov-99 06:35:29
Subj: Yet another magazine
Hello all,
It is with deep regret that I can inform that the last OS/2 column
in the Personal Computer World will appear in the January 2000 issue.
This message is an information to people that are contemplating to
subscribe or renew their subscription to the magazine.
I have bought the magazine every month but am now coming to an end
of this habit.
Yet another magazine that falls into the Windows trap.
The OS/2 column has been very good but all good things come to an end.
Regards,
Holger
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From: Peter Knapper 24-Nov-99 19:38:26
To: All 24-Nov-99 06:35:29
Subj: Making Primary partitions visible.
Hi Folks,
A short while ago there was some discussion regarding the difficulty OS/2 has
in seeing more than 1 primary partition on a drive. While looking for some
info relating to accessing FAT32 drives from OS/2 I discovered an archive
called OS2FAT32.ZIP dated 31-01-98 that contains PARTFILT.FLT dated 21-01-98.
The docs for PARTFLT indicates that it can be used to re-order the drive
letter assignments for partitions to whatever the users wishes, and it also
contains the following interesting section -
===============================================================
What is PARTFILT?
----------------
PARTFILT.flt is a filter device driver for OS/2 that makes it possible to
load an IFS for linux partitions. (Without this filter you must patch the
partition table. On many systems doing so may cause LILO to fail.)
HK: The filter now is NOT specific for Linux.
In addition this driver is capable to control in what order drive letters
are assigned to partitions on fixed disks. It will also allow you to access
hidden primary partitions under OS/2.
**************************************
The goal of this filter is to allow you to use ext2-os2.ifs without breaking
anything else... :-)
NOTE: You need ext2-os2.ifs to access the files on a linux (ext2) partition.
===============================================================
The line I have underlined with *************************** suggests that it
can be used to allow Lynda to see the partitions she normally may not (under
OS/2). I have not tried any of the files in the above archive.
Cheers............pk.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 22-Nov-99 21:18:00
To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 24-Nov-99 06:35:29
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to Mike Ruskai
on 11-22-99 22:55 about Communicator Fatal Error...
SB> Hi Mike,
> Your best bet at this point would be to install Netscape over the old
> version. If your settings are still there to be preserved, they will be.
> Otherwise, you'll get a usable os2pref.js file without deleting anything.
SB> Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator archive
SB> but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has yet
SB> admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I would
SB> be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which directory it
SB> resides.
Well, I don't have one, but I do have a prefs.js file, which is Netscape
actually can't read when it says it can't read os2pref.js.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: Sean Dennis 23-Nov-99 14:19:23
To: Holger Granholm 24-Nov-99 09:22:18
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ
Hello, Holger.
-=> Replying to a message of Holger Granholm to Sean Dennis:
SD>> It does mention that infamous - parameter that seems to be buried in
HG> OK, I might freq it although I may not need it anymore. Just received
HG> mtel from Jack Stein and as I see it I won't need VMODEM anymore even
HG> though I do have it in the SIO package.
You can use a standard term package to dial out through VModem. You don't
really even need MTel. :)
Later,
Sean
. o O ( Happy holidays from the staff at AfterHours/2 BBS! )
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From: Sean Dennis 23-Nov-99 14:20:20
To: Matti Palmström 24-Nov-99 09:22:18
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ
Hello, Matti.
-=> Replying to a message of Matti Palmström to Sean Dennis:
SD>> If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how to
SD>> set it up. Let me know.
MP> une) Pay da guy da monny
MP> too) Inset da line in ya config
MP> DEVICE=C:\UTILS\SIO\SIO.SYS
MP> Dune!
Doesn't quite work that way when you want to run DOS doors under OS/2 with a
BBS.
Later,
Sean
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From: Lee Aroner 23-Nov-99 20:09:00
To: Will Honea 24-Nov-99 14:18:12
Subj: Deskarc List
LA> Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246
LA> nulls.
LA> Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and
LA> you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs.
WH> Which just happens to be the value of _MAXPATH in the toolkit headers,
> for one thing.
WH> In another msg. you refer to the X, 1, 2, 3 sequences. If you make
> several archives you will find that the 1 -3 entries appear to be a
> used to refer to 3 'buckets' where a new archive replaces the oldest
> (3) one and becomes 1 while the remaining 'buckets' (1 and 2) are
> incremented. Sort of a first-in/first-out stack of 3. Note: I may be
> bass-ackwards on the order. I say 1 is the newest but it may really be
> 3; I haven't messed with this in a LONG time.
Just did a backup and it is indeed a FIFO arrangement: 2 - 1 - 3
became 3 - 2 - 1, the oldest entry being overwritten and the
others being renumbered. Simple enough.
Working on decoding the date/time headers now...
LRA
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From: Lee Aroner 23-Nov-99 21:20:01
To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar 24-Nov-99 14:18:12
Subj: Deskarc List 1/
JdBP> [ This is a pr cis of a message in the TAUCMD echo. ]
SW> DESKARC LIST produces no output here.
LA> Basic Structure:
LA> 21 bytes of unknown data, followed by a text label at offset
> 21d/15h, the label is: "Originally installed Archive", followed
> by 53 bytes of nulls, a two byte numbering label at offset
> 102d/66h, followed by 246 bytes of nulls, followed by a 10 byte
> string ("<drive>:\Desktop" at offset 358d/166h, followed by 246
> nulls, followed by a restart of the above sequence to a total of
> four such entries.
LA> The text string at 21d into each section *other* than the first,
> is always: "Complete Archive", (There ain't much actual data
> here...)
LA> Note: All offsets are zero based.
LA> Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246 nulls.
> Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and
> you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs.
LA> Note: The "numbering label" mentioned above is not sequential,
> the four labels are: (in order of appearance) "0X", "02", "01",
> and "03". On my maintenance partition, the order is: "0X", "01",
> "03", and "02". My guess is this is more of a type label than a
> sequence number, but what it indicates, I have no idea. Haven't
> found any clues in my old DD kit, nor inside any executable on
> disk, which seems reasonable considering they are compressed...
LA> I'm guessing that the 21 byte section header contains a date and
> time, and undoubtedly something else, but what? I'll have a go
> at decoding the date/time part tomorro.
OK, following is a layout of the header portion (the bytes
immediately preceeding the "Original Archive"/"Complete Archive"
section) of each record. This reflects an "old" existing
ARCHIVES.$$$ and a new (made today) ARCHIVES.$$$.
As Will recollected, the entries rotate on a FIFO basis, the
oldest being overwritten and the number labels being rotated. But
notice how the 5th byte appears to be a record place number. The
date/time data appears therefore to begin at the 7th byte and
continue for 6 bytes from there.
But I'll be danged if I can see how it's encoded. Anyone out
there familiar with OS/2's default D/T encoding scheme? I'll
give a look through my header files and see what jumps out at me,
but based on past experience, I'm not optimistic.
Anyone got any ideas? BCD maybe?
Here's the sequence:
From ARCHIVE.NEW dated 11/23/99
NOTE: First line is decimal translation, second line is the original
hex value. A "-" is a null.
********************************************
(Original Archive)
- - - - 88 - 21 56 43 37 2 2 207 7 255 255 2
0 0 0 0 58 0 15 38 2b 25 2 2 cf 7 ff ff 2
(Entry label "3")
1 - - - 1 - 20 1 19 85 23 11 207 7 255 255 2
1 0 0 0 1 0 14 1 13 55 17 0b cf 7 ff ff 2
(Entry label "2")
1 - - - 2 - 10 37 18 51 15 9 207 7 255 255 3
1 0 0 0 2 0 0a 25 12 33 0f 9 cf 7 ff ff 3
(Entry label "1")
1 - - - 3 - 12 9 27 63 11 9 207 7 255 255 6
1 0 0 0 3 0 0c 9 1b ef 0b 9 cf 7 ff ff 6
****************************************
From ARCHIVE.OLD dated 9/15/99
(Original Entry)
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To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar 24-Nov-99 14:18:12
Subj: Deskarc List 2/
. [ ...Continued From Previous Message ]
- - - - 88 - 21 56 43 37 2 2 207 255 255 2
0 0 0 0 58 0 15 38 2b 25 2 2 cf ff ff 2
(Entry label "2")
1 - - - 1 - 10 37 18 51 15 9 207 7 255 255 3
1 0 0 0 1 0 0a 25 12 33 0f 9 cf 7 ff ff 3
(Entry label "1"
1 - - - 2 - 12 9 27 63 11 9 207 7 255 255 6
1 0 0 0 2 0 0c 9 1b 3f 0b 9 cf 7 ff ff 6
(Entry label "3")
1 - - - 3 - 17 14 1 59 2 9 207 7 255 255 4
1 0 0 0 3 0 11 0e 1 3b 2 9 cf 7 ff ff 4
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From: Linda Proulx 24-Nov-99 15:03:15
To: Jack Stein 25-Nov-99 00:33:11
Subj: Re: Installation problem
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jack Stein wrote to John Angelico <=-
JS> That wouldn't be a bad idea. I think she should start off installing
JS> things the way most in here advised. Once she gets everything running,
JS> she should grab a copy of:
JS> CFGINFO7.ZIP OS/2 Config.sys Optimizer! Sysop Recommended! (188K)
And what if my board doen't have it?
JS> I'd guess she would come up with enough questions for the users in here
JS> to keep her and us busy for a good while.
Oh I will.
JS> old BIOS, then she's out of luck for now, but she can get 486 mother
JS> boards for next to nothing today. A guy around here was selling 486's
JS> for $60 with 16 megs ram and VGA monitors. Thats not much for a
This must be in US dollars. And one must have it. Good used monitors
here start at @ $125.
JS> complete system. Not much reason to be running a 386 with a 1990 BIOS,
JS> thats for sure. Thats like 2 cartons of smokes...
1989 bios. And lack of $ is a good reason. Years of solid computing
ain't nothing to be sneezed at. Unfortunately technology has left it
behind.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Stephen Haffly 24-Nov-99 07:43:27
To: John Angelico 25-Nov-99 00:33:11
Subj: FTP & Telenet
On (17 Nov 99) John Angelico wrote to Mike Ruskai...
Hi John,
JA> "Use of the Software for any
JA> military- or arms production related purpose, whether direct or
JA> indirect, is strictly prohibited and will constitute a breach
JA> of the license granted under this Agreement."
JA> I don't think it's as sweeping as you might have thought. Military
JA> *purpose* not *personnel* (although I hate that word "personnel" it
JA> makes the point by a pun)
However, if I wish to use the program to access my shell account, and
then view my e-mail from there, and my platoon sergeant has sent me
military related information, then I am in violation of the license if I
read it. I'd just as soon do without such a restriction. That being
the case, I just stick with LiveWire, although it is apparently
abandoned.
TTYL,
Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.
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From: Ron Nicholls 21-Nov-99 10:42:00
To: John Angelico 21-Nov-99 10:42:00
Subj: Netscape416
JA> RN> the mouse button down on the back/forward
JA> RN> icons a popup history menu appears
JA> RN>
JA>
JA> Ron - just for the pedants...which button? <g>
JA>
The left button, but you have to have gone someplaces
to create a history. I haven't looked all that closely but
it is probably similar to "go".
-
-
Regards RonN
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From: Rich Wonneberger 24-Nov-99 20:51:03
To: Wes Newell 25-Nov-99 05:59:27
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
*** Quoting Wes Newell to Dave Davidson dated 11-23-99 ***
> DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to
(bit del)
> Sadly the OS/2 version I have chokes on drives larger than 2 gig.
> However the dos version runs fine.
Wes,
Does your version show long file names??
If so, what version do you have?? Mine only shows 8.3 type names
Rich
I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net
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From: Paul Hildebrandt 23-Nov-99 19:57:21
To: All 25-Nov-99 05:59:27
Subj: resurecting extended attribs
Hello All!
McAffee utilities messed up my *.sf files on my fat drive. Any way to resurect
the extended file attributes?
Paul
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From: August Abolins 24-Nov-99 20:13:14
To: all 25-Nov-99 05:59:27
Subj: need FLEETSTREET help
Hi !
Calling any Fleetstreet users here (probably just Sean and Jonathan anyway
<g>)
FleetStreet 1.25.1 introduces the option to have a separate colour for
2nd-level quoted text. This 2nd-level defaults to a pinky colour. It's an
awful combination on my preferred blue background.
The Setup/Message menus don't offer a colour tab for this 2nd-level quote.
There is only a colour control for "Quoted Text", but it only applies to the
first level of quoted text. I tried the drag'n'drop method to change the
colour, but the paint roller is so "fat" it's hard to figure out where the
hot-point is so that I can position it exactly where I need the color to be
dropped.
Can anyone help?
.aa.
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From: Holger Granholm 24-Nov-99 10:57:00
To: Dave Davidson 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
In a message dated 11-22-99, Dave Davidson said to All:
Hello Dave,
DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When
DD> deleting a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time
DD> consuming as well as a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir).
I hope not. It's the slowest program I've ever used for that purpose.
Doing it manually or from a file manager is ten times faster.
The only advantage of deltree is that you don't have to sit there all
the time.
Regards,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 24-Nov-99 10:57:00
To: Jack Stein 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Installation problem
In a message dated 11-21-99, Jack Stein said to John Angelico:
Hi Jack,
JS>That wouldn't be a bad idea. I think she should start off
JS>installing things the way most in here advised. Once she gets
JS>everything running, she should grab a copy of:
JS> CFGINFO7.ZIP OS/2 Config.sys Optimizer! Sysop Recommended! (188K)
Where can *I* grab a copy of that? Have nr. 6.
FTP or Telnet preferred.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Lee Aroner 24-Nov-99 07:01:00
To: Leonard Erickson 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Install
LA> > FCBS=16,8
LA> Set this to "8,4"
ML> Nonsense. Programmers of old DOS programs used FCBs long after
ML> DOS 1.x came out, even though the documentation told them not to (who
ML> reads the docs?). What to set FCBS= depends on which DOS programs you
ML> are running, not what version of DOS they were written under (something
ML> you have no way of knowing unless you wrote them <G>).
LE> Actually, I seem to recall hearing that MS-DOS has dropped support for
> FCBS as of version 6 or 7. I know they've been *warning* programmers
> since version 5 (or earlier) that those functions where not to be used,
> because they'd be dropped at some future time.
This is the usual case of MS's "Do as I say, not as I do", since
Command.Com continues to use FCBs for fast directlry deletions,
just as I do.
LRA
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From: George Fliger 24-Nov-99 06:11:16
To: Peter French 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions.....
On 22 Nov 99 12:00am, Peter French wrote to Herbert Rosenau:
PF> On 1999/11/21, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Peter French on message
PF> number 749; Hi Herbert,
HR>
HR> PF> SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C
HR> PF> SET AUTOFAIL=YES
HR>
HR> The setup from my Node:
HR>
HR> AUTOFAIL=YES - without SET! All errorors are true errors
HR> SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C - without SET! no popup if error
PF> FIXED - how stupid can one be - I spent hours tracing this
PF> problem, because I
PF> knew my system used to be quiet. Interesting that the system
PF> didn't complain about the wrong syntax. Thanks for the help, I
PF> hope the original poster "gets the message"
The SET command made the entries a different type of environment
variable but completely legal! If you had typed SET at a command prompt
you would have seen both listed.
George
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From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:53:00
To: All 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Broken Link
Hi there!
The link to France for the OS2 echoes was broken from Oct 20 to Nov
15 approx.
I sent a handfull of messages again
If you wrote to me or anyone in France, please send again. Thanks.
L.A.
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From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:54:00
To: Charles Gaefke 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Scsi Too expensive?
Second try, as this old message perhaps never got accross the pond.
From : LOUIS AUBREE
To : CHARLES GAEFKE
Subj. : SCSI TOO EXPENSIVE? Conf : OS2
Date : 10-20-99 Time : 23:15
CG> CG> Period.
CG> LA>
CG> LA> Well, SCSI HD's are expensive. So, go on with ATAPI/IDE HD.
CG> LA> But you can use SCSI for a CD burner and a scanner and ...
CG>
CG> Yeah, so?
CG>
CG> You are preaching to the choir, and a poor choir at that.
CG>
CG> The point is I can get an IDE drive twice the size of a SCSI
CG> drive for the same price.
I agree about that. Read again...
CG> That's all I need to know to decide which way to go.
Yeah, but read again...
L.A.
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From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:55:00
To: Andy Roberts 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Long Lines
Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond.
From : LOUIS AUBREE
To : ANDY ROBERTS
Subj. : LONG LINES Conf : OS2
Date : 10-27-99 Time : 20:23
Hi Andy,
You replied to my message to Peter French about his long lines...
AR> -<snipped your sharks tooth quote>-
AR>
AR> I went back and looked at the original msg from Peter French and
AR> it is perfect without any sharks tooth hard carriage returns like
AR> you quoted.
I'm happy to learn that.
AR> The problem you are complaining about is caused in your software
AR> not the software of those originating msgs with 78 - 80 character
AR> lines. You should change the settings in your software or change
AR> to better software.
Not in my software. I explained how I checked that *without* using my
off-line reader, nor any software that splits lines.
<...snip...>
AR> To put it simply I don't have to read msgs like you quoted when
AR> the original msg is formatted within Fidonet specs. So I have
AR> nothing to complain about. Except I'm not going to change my proper
AR> settings to your lower expectations.
AR> --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at
Would it be that Terminate 5.00 unsplits already splitted lines?
The other explanation is that you receive truly unsplitted lines,
but they are splitted somewhere on the way down to me.
As my sysop is going to change many things, and wants me (like all of
his single users...) to become a "point", maybe this annoying
"feature" will vanish. At least, I hope so.
L.A.
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From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:57:00
To: Linda Proulx 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Warp 3 install
Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond.
From : LOUIS AUBREE
To : LINDA PROULX
Subj. : WARP 3 INSTALL Conf : OS2
Date : 10-27-99 Time : 21:53
Hi Linda!
I'm late to reply to your msg's from 1999-10-12 and 13 :
LP> Someone gave me a copy of Warp 3, Red flavour.
LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual
LP> Boot. But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything. Drive D
LP> is a 1 g partition. Drive C has DOS 6.22 on C & Windows 311 on E.
LP> Want to run DOS & Windows legacy programs.
My first install was also with Warp 3 red box and Dual Boot above DOS
and Win 3.1. I could install Warp on the same C: drive, and it
worked. But I was annoyed because the Dual Boot install gave a very
strong shake to my Windows directory. It looked like after a
hurricane... but it worked, at least untill I tried something new in
Win3.1 to use CD-ROMs. My advice, if you have to install with Dual
Boot: make a full backup of the Windows dir. Then, try even a full
copy in another dir and play switching dir names between WINDOWS and
something like SWIN. (A year later, I upgraded my PC and buyed a new
HD I could partition freely with a Boot Manager partition).
LP> Want to know what best way to prep for the install. Also want a
LP> good bootmanager that will run off a floppy. Will the Warp boot
LP> manager work on a floppy? I have 2 HDs & want to put OS2 on the
LP> primary of D drive. The manual isn't very forthcoming.
With a new HD, I had 2 HD's, one empty. I used Warp FDISK to
partition it with a Boot Manager partition, a C: partition for
DOS-Win, a C: partition for OS/2, and several partitions for
utilities, applications, data... Yes, I reinstalled Win on both the
C: partitions, but I installed Warp only above one. Then, I put every
DOS and Win utilities/apps on E:, F:,... so they can be shared
between DOS-Win and OS/2. Of course, every partition is FAT16, that's
the price.
LP> Have a SCSI CD-ROM & ZIP disk & a parallel Syquest Sparq. Will
LP> the install see these or do I have to have the DOS drivers in the
LP> DOS autoexec.bat & config.sys.
No DOS driver can be used with OS/2. Check if your SCSI adapter is in
the standard list for Warp 3. Parallel devices are known as no-go.
L.A.
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From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:59:00
To: Gord Hannah 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Warp 3 install
Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond.
From : LOUIS AUBREE
To : GORD HANNAH
Subj. : WARP 3 INSTALL Conf : OS2
Date : 10-27-99 Time : 22:01
Hi Gord,
You replied to Linda Proulx :
GH> LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual
GH> LP> Boot. But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything.
GH>
GH> Can be done very easily. Select advanced install tell it to
GH> install to d: when it asks you for the fdisk command say nope, I
GH> would however format it to HPFS less hassles that way, no defrag
GH> ever needed unless over 80% full
Install Warp 3 red with Dual Boot on HPFS ? Is it possible ? With Win
apps needed?
L.A.
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From: Louis Aubree 24-Nov-99 00:00:00
To: Linda Proulx 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Newbie
Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond.
From : LOUIS AUBREE
To : LINDA PROULX
Subj. : NEWBIE Conf : OS2
Date : 10-27-99 Time : 23:04
LP> Where the best sites? I can get a friend with an Inet account to
LP> get the stuff for me.
Not very easy. Try to get the "Hobbes OS/2 Archived" CD-ROM from
Walnut Creek. From the same place, I suggest also the "Simtel MSDOS",
full of useful stuff (but off the topic here).
L.A.
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From: Louis Aubree 24-Nov-99 00:02:00
To: Rob Basler 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Boot Managerss
Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond.
From : LOUIS AUBREE
To : ROB BASLER
Subj. : BOOT MANAGERSS Conf : OS2
Date : 10-27-99 Time : 23:48
Hi Rob!
You replied to Linda Proulx :
RB> LP>Also want a good
RB> LP>bootmanager that will run off a floppy.
RB>
RB> Never heard of such a program.
It seems that Lilo (Linux loader) can do that.
(But not been there, not done that, sorry).
L.A.
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From: Louis Aubree 24-Nov-99 00:03:00
To: Linda Proulx 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Warp 3 install
Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond.
From : LOUIS AUBREE
To : LINDA PROULX
Subj. : WARP 3 INSTALL Conf : OS2
Date : 10-27-99 Time : 23:49
About Warp3 Red or Blue :
LP> If I got the Blue flavour, would that mean that I wouldn't have
LP> to have Windows on my harddrive?
Have you heard about Win32s? OS/2 can play Win32s apps only up to
v1.25 of this extension. MS managed to push it somewhere further
where IBM couldn't go. So Win3.1 apps *really* needing Win32s v1.30
can't be played on Warp. So, don't think to give away Win 3.1x, at
least for a while.
L.A.
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From: Jack Stein 23-Nov-99 19:23:20
To: Murray Lesser 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Small programs
Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was
>that program I wrote way back when...." <g>
ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function"
ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file
ML> is 619 bytes.
JS>I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM
>by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory.
ML> You are comparing apples and oranges. David's DLL lives
ML> on the disk in a file containing 619 bytes. If I ask EXEHDR
ML> about TELLBOOT.DLL, it tells me that it lives in 46H (70
ML> decimal) bytes of "virtual memory."
I was hoping you would not notice that:-) On the other hand, Davids is an
external REXX function DLL file, not a regular application, right? Jays OSTSR
is a 920 byte "standalone" .com application... Does that count for anything?
Jack
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From: Jack Stein 23-Nov-99 19:38:21
To: Dave Davidson 25-Nov-99 06:37:05
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
Dave Davidson wrote in a message to All:
DD> (1) Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way
DD> to print a file from FC/2? None of the commands nor
DD> pull down menu's indicate that function. For example,
DD> if I edit a .CMD file in FC/2 and want to print it out
DD> for future reference, is there a way to do it within
DD> FC/2?
I suggest replacing the default viewer with a good viewer program. The best
I've found is HyperView, the text mode version. It is super duper dude. Look
for:
HV34.ZIP HyperView OS/2 PM/text file viewer for word processing,
Text,and ZIP Files (Sysop Recommended) (195K)
DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it
DD> to work properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster
DD> setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4 (verified by Terminate), yet
DD> the ONLY setting in the config.sys file that works is
DD> C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3).
Shouldn't that be O3F8 instead of 03E8? Anyhow, you probably don't need to do
anything other than put in the (COM3) paramater. Run rmview /IRQ after it
boots and see what you get. SIO will assign the correct address in all normal
situations.
DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE?
DD> When deleting a directory with deep sub-directories,
DD> it's time consuming as well as a PITA to DEL (dir) then
DD> RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes to delete the
DD> OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I could
DD> re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's).
OS2Commander lets you delete or move whole directories along with
sub-directories. I would think that FC/2 has the same basic features.
DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was
DD> delighted to find an OS/2 port of it.
Nope, that sucks. I used Bergs LIST for many years. Get Hyperview and use
it, it is great. You are using FC/2, that is your file manager, list is not a
good file manager, and not a good viewer. HV is very fast, and does some nice
things, nothing too special, nothing too special needed. What IS special is
the search/highlighting and cut and paste functions. It is perfect for OS/2
and works great with OS/2's cut and paste facilities. Takes about 2 minutes
to learn how to use, and it is time well spent. You can tag lines with the
space bar, or the whole file at once, press L and copy or APPEND to the
clipboard, or to a file. Instead of a file, you can tell it to copy the
clipboard to the printer (lpt1 or PRN or whatever) You can go to any OS/2,
DOS or WIN app, say a text editor, msg reader, browser, the command line,
anything, and hit ALT then p to paste the text. Works neat on searches too,
for example, you can hit S to search for say SIO with config.sys loaded, then
press CTRL+ENTER and all the lines with SIO in it will be highlighted, then
press enter, and it will give you a "hyperview" of just the highlighted text.
Super nice, nothing else I know of compares to this viewer.
DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that
DD> matter) of having Sun Office v5.1a being the default
DD> Web Browser? I didn't choose that option as I didn't
DD> know what it would do. I'm using Netscape v4.61 and so
DD> far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly
DD> due to the SIO problems mentioned above.
I dunno, but, I doubt the slow D/L problem has much to do with SIO or OS/2.
SIO either is installed or not, and OS/2 handles any speed your modem can
produce.
DD> I'm going to be home all this week, so I would like to get
DD> as much of OS/2 setup as possible. I may not have this much
DD> time again for quite a while.
Invite Andy over for a few brewskies, and show him your cooking system. He
won't be able to keep his hands out of it:-)
Jack
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From: Rich Wonneberger 25-Nov-99 09:03:15
To: Holger Granholm 25-Nov-99 13:16:27
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
*** Quoting Holger Granholm to Dave Davidson dated 11-24-99 ***
> DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When
(bit del)
> I hope not. It's the slowest program I've ever used for that purpose.
> Doing it manually or from a file manager is ten times faster.
Holger,
Wouldnt the OS/2 equivalent work better & faster?? :}
Which file manager do you use??
Rich
I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net
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From: Leonard Erickson 25-Nov-99 00:11:01
To: Lee Aroner 25-Nov-99 14:12:27
Subj: Install
-=> Quoting Lee Aroner to Leonard Erickson <=-
LA> > FCBS=16,8
LA> Set this to "8,4"
ML> Nonsense. Programmers of old DOS programs used FCBs long after
ML> DOS 1.x came out, even though the documentation told them not to (who
ML> reads the docs?). What to set FCBS= depends on which DOS programs you
ML> are running, not what version of DOS they were written under (something
ML> you have no way of knowing unless you wrote them <G>).
LE> Actually, I seem to recall hearing that MS-DOS has dropped support for
> FCBS as of version 6 or 7. I know they've been *warning* programmers
> since version 5 (or earlier) that those functions where not to be used,
> because they'd be dropped at some future time.
LA> This is the usual case of MS's "Do as I say, not as I do", since
LA> Command.Com continues to use FCBs for fast directlry deletions,
LA> just as I do.
Try it under MS-DOS v6.x. Then try it in a Win 95 or 98 DOS "window"
(or with the system booted to the MS-DOS 7 that Win 9x runs on top of).
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From: Leonard Erickson 25-Nov-99 01:03:03
To: All 25-Nov-99 14:12:27
Subj: Printer driver
* Crossposted from: OS/2 HW
I've got an ancient but usable color inkjet printer. I'm wondering if
there's anyone out there who could write an OS/2 driver for it if I
gave them the specs.
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From: Peter French 25-Nov-99 14:06:00
To: Dave Davidson 25-Nov-99 14:06:00
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
On 1999/11/22, Dave Davidson wrote to All on message number 548;
Hello Dave,
DD> If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an
DD> error message on boot up high lighting 03E8.
Not knowing too much about this, I cannot help in depth, but my system works
as:
DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4) (COM4,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3)
you did use 03E8 and when I look at the SIO/serial ports on the Hardware
Manager it shows a range of 3F8-3FF. Could that be your problem?
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From: Gene Tucker 25-Nov-99 23:07:00
To: Sean Dennis 25-Nov-99 23:07:00
Subj: Vmodem/Sio Faq
In a message dated 11-12-99, Sean Dennis said to Gene Tucker:
SD>Hello, Gene.
-=> Replying to a message of Gene Tucker to Sean Dennis:
GT> For whcih version of SIO? 1.60d or the new old beta?
SD>1.60d. I haven't tried the new beta as some of my other
SD>friends have tried it and have told me it's buggy and
SD>cantankerous. I simply haven't had time to investigate it.
SD>:)
SD>Later,
SD>Sean
SD>
Well, I dont think it is buggy. A triffle hard to configure perhaps. I use it
with good results. I just wish the beta would have been updated.
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From: Wes Newell 25-Nov-99 10:25:23
To: Rich Wonneberger 26-Nov-99 03:58:14
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
RW> Does your version show long file names??
Nope.
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From: Scott Jones 24-Nov-99 13:46:17
To: Dave Davidson 26-Nov-99 03:58:15
Subj: Re: Bunch of Questions....
-=> On 22 Nov 99 16:25:33, Dave Davidson wrote to All <=-
DD> Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way to print a
DD> file from FC/2? None of the commands nor pull down menu's indicate
DD> that function. For example, if I edit a .CMD file in FC/2 and want
DD> to print it out for future reference, is there a way to do it within
DD> FC/2?
FC/2 doesn't have a print command built-in, but you can add one to the
user menu:
P: Print File
copy ! PRN
is how I have mine set up.
Scott Jones
(sjones@crosswinds.net)
... Sometimes the garbage disposal gods demand an offering of a spoon.
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From: Herbert Rosenau 24-Nov-99 10:18:28
To: Peter French 26-Nov-99 03:58:15
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
PF> FIXED - how stupid can one be
<eg>
PF> - I spent hours tracing this problem, because I knew my system
PF> used to be quiet.
You not the only one. Sometimey anybody is searching for days and can't see
the bug.
PF> Interesting that the system didn't complain about the wrong
PF> syntax.
It can't! Anything after SET, separated with one simple '=' is legal. But it
my be absolute useless. There is nothing that can check it other than the bug
sitting in front of the monitor.
PF> Thanks for the help,
Nothing to thank. This network is for getting and receiving help.
PF> I hope the original poster "gets the message"
I think so.
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From: Herbert Rosenau 24-Nov-99 10:36:09
To: Dave Davidson 26-Nov-99 03:58:15
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
DD> (1) Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way to
DD> print a file from FC/2? None of the commands nor pull down
DD> menu's indicate that function. For example, if I edit a .CMD
DD> file in FC/2 and want to print it out for future reference,
DD> is there a way to do it within FC/2?
Use the WPS instead.
DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to
DD> work properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on
DD> COM3, 03E8, IRQ4
Hey You can't use IRQs multiple.
COM1 IRQ4 03F8
COM2 IRQ3 02F8
COM3 try to find a FREE IRQ and a free I/O address of your choice
COM4 dito.
You don't need SIO if you don't own special communication hardware or not more
than 4 com ports.
DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE?
No. But you can do that with WPS with Drag & Drop (move the obect to delete
onto the shredder).
DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter)
DD> of having Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I
DD> didn't choose that option as I didn't know what it would do.
DD> I'm using Netscape v4.61
You can do what you prefere.
DD> I'm going to be home all this week, so I would like to get as
DD> much of OS/2 setup as possible. I may not have this much time
DD> again for quite a while.
You'll have still to work through the learn program coming with OS/2.
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From: Mike Roark 24-Nov-99 17:13:24
To: Dave Davidson 26-Nov-99 03:58:15
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
Hello Dave!
Monday November 22 1999 16:25, Dave Davidson wrote to All:
DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work
DD> properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8,
DD> IRQ4
DD> (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys
DD> file
DD> that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3).
DD> If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I
This one is easy..
(COM3:115200,3e8,irq4,,)
Note, that there is a colon between the comX and the locked speed. Check the
SIOREF.TXT for more information about it. If you want to share the port with a
DOS program, the add a "-" in the 4th spot.
DD> abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go.
DD> Darn thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS.
DD> Any idea as to what I'm doing wrong?
Are you sure it isn't one of those Winmodems? I know that the boxes sure
looked a lot alike..
DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When
DD> deleting
DD> a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as
There are add-ons for this. IIRC, there is one from Mark Mays utilities. Check
on Hobbes for a deltree command if you have net access. If not, I can always
attach it and send it to you..
DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to
DD> find
DD> an
DD> OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS directory, which is
DD> in the
DD> path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also
DD> HPFS) or
DD> Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it?
No idea. What does it say? Does it give any error information? If you like
list, you can always try 4OS2. List is built in, and works quite nicely--but
it's shareware and will expire!
DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) of
DD> having
DD> Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I didn't choose
DD> that
DD> option as I didn't know what it would do. I'm using Netscape
DD> v4.61 and
DD> so far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly due
DD> to
DD> the SIO problems mentioned above.
Naa. Stay with Netscape. And once you get the correct modem line installed, it
will work quite nicely. I don't care for the SO web browser..
DD> Whew... that outta be enough for now... <g>
Gee, it's sort of fun having a few new folks again! ;-) Some of us that have
used it for a while were getting a bit stale and set in our ways.
DD> I'm going to be home all this week, so I would like to get as much
DD> of
DD> OS/2 setup as possible. I may not have this much time again for quite
DD> a while.
Once you get it set up, you can pretty much forget it. It just runs and runs..
Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 22h 09m 44s 562ms (en).
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From: Stephen Monteith 25-Nov-99 06:57:08
To: August Abolins 26-Nov-99 03:58:15
Subj: need FLEETSTREET help
Hello August!
Replying to a message of August Abolins of 1:163/144 on 1999/11/24, 20:13:14
said to all at 1:167/133:
AA> The Setup/Message menus don't offer a colour tab for this 2nd-level
AA> quote. There is only a colour control for "Quoted Text", but it
AA> only applies to the first level of quoted text. I tried the
AA> drag'n'drop method to change the colour, but the paint roller is
AA> so "fat" it's hard to figure out where the hot-point is so that I
AA> can position it exactly where I need the color to be dropped.
There is a Quotes II option in the setup/editor menu. Perhaps you can change
it in there?
Stephen Monteith
1988 Jeep YJ with 30" tires and RE 4" lift
The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Rev. 9.033
There are 48 Processes with 227 Threads.
This machine's uptime is 4d 8h 9m 20s 375ms.
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From: Linda Proulx 25-Nov-99 14:22:05
To: All 26-Nov-99 03:58:15
Subj: Win-os2 setup
Greetings,
I think my last question got lost in cyber neverneverland because
surprisingly no one replied.
The original question was that on quick perusal, the Blue win file
structure looks very much the same as Win3.1X. If this is correct, why
would I not need an uninstaller as win programs will set themselves up
in the inis as before?
Or is there something I'm really missing?
Anon,
Linda
... It's only a hobby...it's only a hobby...it's only a hobby...
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From: Eddy Thilleman 24-Nov-99 09:26:19
To: Stewart Buckingham 26-Nov-99 03:58:15
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
Hello Stewart,
22 Nov 99 22:55, Stewart Buckingham wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:
SB> Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator archive
SB> but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has yet
SB> admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I would
SB> be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which directory it
SB> resides.
The os2pref.js file is located in the netscape user directory (where for
example also the bookmarks are located), it's a text file and mine begins
with:
// Netscape User Preferences
// This is a generated file! Do not edit.
user_pref("browser.bookmark_columns_win", "v1 1 1:10000 2:3000 4:2000
3:2000");
user_pref("browser.bookmark_window_rect", "5,-3,855,1029");
user_pref("browser.bookmark_window_showwindow", 4);
user_pref("browser.cache.disk_cache_size", 0);
..............................................................................
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 24-Nov-99 09:39:23
To: Dave Davidson 26-Nov-99 03:58:15
Subj: Bunch of Questions....
Hello Dave,
22 Nov 99 16:25, Dave Davidson wrote to All:
DD> (1) Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way to print a
DD> file from FC/2? None of the commands nor pull down menu's indicate
I don't know, I don't print.
DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work
DD> properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4
DD> (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys file
DD> that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3).
You say this works... why don't you just use this?
DD> If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an
DD> error message on boot up high lighting 03E8. If I leave that out, SIO
DD> indicates a PCMCIA modem and says "Nothing Found". I've tried a
DD> variety of combinations ie; leaving out the speed, using only
DD> abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go. Darn
DD> thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS. Any idea as to what
DD> I'm doing wrong?
What's the point of trying something else that doesn't work if you have found
a setup that works??
DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When
DD> deleting a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as
DD> well as a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes
DD> to delete the OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I
DD> could re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's).
There are many 3rd-party programs to do this, FC/2 does this too.
DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to find
DD> an OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS directory, which is in
DD> the path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also HPFS)
DD> or Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it?
I don't know that.
Which "OS/2 port of List"? If it's the OS/2 port of Vern DeBurg himself, it's
only an old 16-bit program.
There are other list-like program, better suited for OS/2 (Look/2). You can
use the internal viewer in FC/2.
DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) of
DD> having Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I didn't choose
Do you mean Star Office, that Sun recently acquired?
I don't use Star Office, so I can't answer that anyway.
DD> that option as I didn't know what it would do. I'm using Netscape
DD> v4.61 and so far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly
DD> due to the SIO problems mentioned above.
If the slow download speeds are caused by SIO, you get the same slow speed in
any other program that downloads.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Gregory Urban 25-Nov-99 11:04:00
To: All 26-Nov-99 06:37:08
Subj: Odin and app install
Greetings,
Recently I downloaded ODIN so that I can attempt to run Win32 apps on my
Warp 4 system. Well, I've run into a problem. When I try installing apps
which use the "Unwise" installation program they of course won't install.
ODIN won't run the install program because it is 16-bit and if I try running
in a WinOS2 session the installer refuses to install the Win9x app because
WinOS2 is the wrong version.
Anyone out there figure out how to get around this? Also, anyone out there
know how to unpack .CAB files?
Thanks,
Greg
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From: August Abolins 25-Nov-99 23:05:12
To: Stephen Monteith 26-Nov-99 07:18:12
Subj: need FLEETSTREET help
Hi Stephen!
SM> There is a Quotes II option in the setup/editor menu. Perhaps you can
SM> change it in there?
Frig. Yes of course I can change it there! :/ I'm friggin' blind, that's
all! I can't believe I missed it.
Thanks!
.aa.
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From: Wes Newell 26-Nov-99 02:29:08
To: All 26-Nov-99 09:22:12
Subj: file systems
Looking for a file systen that will allow >2meg cache that's compatible with
hpfs, or that could replace hpfs as the primary FS. Could I use hpfs386?
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From: Leonard Erickson 25-Nov-99 15:19:00
To: Peter French 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
-=> Quoting Peter French to Herbert Rosenau <=-
PF> On 1999/11/21, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Peter French on message
PF> number 749; Hi Herbert,
HR>
HR> PF> SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C
HR> PF> SET AUTOFAIL=YES
HR>
HR> The setup from my Node:
HR>
HR> AUTOFAIL=YES - without SET! All errorors are true errors
HR> SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C - without SET! no popup if error
PF> FIXED - how stupid can one be - I spent hours tracing this problem,
PF> because I knew my system used to be quiet. Interesting that the system
PF> didn't complain about the wrong syntax.
It didn't complain because the syntax *wasn't* wrong. You just weren't
doing what you thought you were. Instead of changing an OS setting, you
were creating an environment variable.
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From: Gord Hannah 25-Nov-99 21:19:27
To: Louis Aubree 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Warp 3 install
Replying to a message from Louis Aubree 2:326/2 to Gord Hannah,
About Warp 3 install, On Tue Nov 23 1999
LA> Install Warp 3 red with Dual Boot on HPFS ? Is it possible ? With
LA> Win apps needed?
I don't see why not my first install of Warp3 was a botched deal from the
start, but it worked just fine, winapps can reside any where, just use them
and if they are good should work, and yes there a few good Win apps out there,
the only fault they have is the OS they must run under..:-)
The only reason I need to change was quite simple I had a hd crash, lost
everything I had.
Blew two Fujitsu's now have a Seagate.
Hope this helps. Keep us posted.
We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Gord
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From: George White 19-Nov-99 10:04:15
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: fdisk /query
Hi MIKE,
On 17-Nov-99, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD:
<snip> table
JDBP>> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK.
JDBP>> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical
JDBP>> drive that aren't assigned to any partition. The irony is that with
JDBP>> the scheme chosen by Linda's guru, this space is completely unusable,
JDBP>> since no more partitions can be created on the disc. (Although one
JDBP>> wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short like
JDBP>> this. Perhaps a side effect of creating the partition using a hex
JDBP>> editor on the partition table and doing the arithmetic incorrectly ?
JDBP>> (-:)
MR> It might have been FDISK that did the bad math. One of my drives has 7MB
MR> of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive defined.
MR> FDISK did it, not me.
I don't think so, what you're seeing on your system is a different
problem (FDISK peculiarity :-( ). When FDISK is told to create an
extended partition on a drive with no primary defined, it creates a
minimum size, hidden, inaccessible, primary partition on the drive at
the start. Why? - don't ask me...
George
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 18-Nov-99 11:11:03
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Missing Window control..
WH>> This got several programs. Basically, when IBM started to maintain
WH>> the archive bit on directory entries programs that didn't properly
WH>> account for the archive bit would not see directories where the
WH>> archive bit was set. It wasn't an IBM error per se, just laziness
WH>> and sloppy coding on the part of some programmers but the result was
WH>> reasonably wide spread. [...]
MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison with
MR> FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field (my
MR> preference), etc.
MR>
MR> Pretty stupid.
Seconded.
I speak as one who has written plenty of programs that do
DosFind{First,Next,Close}, which have nary a problem with directories having
the archive bit set. But then I have a fair amount of experience of some of
the unusual, yet perfectly legal, things that various PC applications and
utilities have done over the years which any decent tool should be designed to
cope with, such as directories created with the archive and system bits set,
filenames that contain unusual characters such as "{" and "}", and so forth.
( Actually, come to think of it, how do the programs that break when any bit
but the directory bit is set on a directory cope with directories such as
C:\Nowhere, which has been a standard part of OS/2 since version 2.0 ? )
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 18-Nov-99 11:58:10
To: Daniela Engert 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions
JdBP>> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify
JdBP>> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-:
DE> What's wrong with the current logic?
As previously discussed at length in this thread, the current logic fails to
correctly recognise and handle the case where there is more than one type 0x
partition in the primary MBR. Notice the `found' variable, how it is set, and
what its effect is, for example. Compare this code with the code in DR-DOS,
FreeDOS, and linux that I gave pointers to in a previous message.
This may not be a common occurrence when OS/2 is installed onto a blank hard
disc, but given that every other PC operating system appears to support this
situation, and that Windows NT's Disk Administrator allows one to easily
create such configurations (which I suspect is another subtle method of
undermining OS/2, since I'm sure that Microsoft would be aware that OS/2 Warp
doesn't support this configuration), it is certainly one that OS2DASD.DMD
should support.
DE> And - assuming you have both the tools and the sources available - why
DE> don't you just go ahead and try it yourself?
For three reasons:
1. I have no history, as far as the public at large is concerned, of
modifying base device drivers. You have. People trust you. And if you don't
want to do it, the second best choice would be Henk Kelder, who *already has*
produced modified OS2DASD.DMDs before now (to make it recognise type 0B and 0C
partitions so that his FAT32 IFS driver works).
2. I actually *don't* have the source. I only have what is on the
OS/2 Warp 4 DDK CD-ROM, which is the OS2DASD.DMD source prior to the
modifications made to support removable partitionable media. Unfortunately,
Henk Kelder appears to be in the same boat, which is why you are the primary
choice, since you have appear to have access to later sources.
3. I already have a rather large project on the go right now. I
don't have the time to invest in setting up and learning to use the arcane
16-bit tools and development environment necessary to build 16-bit OS/2 device
drivers. I strongly suspect that the people who are eagerly awaiting the
first release of my project would rather than I concentrated on with it rather
than take on board yet *another* project, especially this one.
I've done as much as I can by locating the root cause of the bug in
OS2DASD.DMD, the functions that are involved, and coming up with a general
outline of how it could be fixed. It's now up to someone else to come along
and modify OS2DASD.DMD, recompile and release it, and take all of the credit
and glory.
DE> Thinking about improving OS2DASD I'd rather like to support type 0F
DE> extended partitions to remove the hassles of the MICROS~1
DE> idiosyncrasies.
Indeed. That could very well be done along the way. It's the same piece of
code that needs altering. As I said: credit and glory. Tempted yet ? (-:
DE> And, instead of changing the sources, finding a patch to do that is
DE> better IMHO because it most likely will work with future fixpacks as
well.
I disagree. This isn't the sort of change that one can introduce by patching
a few small sequences of machine code. One has to move a loop from one
function to a completely different one, change the logic of the loop somewhat
so that it doesn't terminate prematurely, and add a new parameter to be passed
to a function (which involves both changing the two places where the function
is called and changing the internal logic of the function to use the parameter
as an array index). The underlying machine code will change significantly.
This is the sort of patch that can only reasonably done by modifying the
source and recompiling. One would spend weeks if not months if one approached
it from the direction of modifying the object code directly.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 10:31:07
To: Larry Snider 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Tutorial
RN>>> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend.
RN>>>
RN>>> Just where is it kept ????
jdbp>> [C:\]which tutorial
jdbp>> 15-08-1996 02:58:58 pm 62946 8136 _____A
C:\OS2\TUTORIAL.EXE
jdbp>>
jdbp>> [C:\]ver
jdbp>>
jdbp>> 4OS2 3.01A OS/2 Version is 4.00
jdbp>>
jdbp>> [C:\]
LS> Is which a 4OS2 ver 3 command? I don't have it in ver 2.50.
It isn't a 4OS2 command at all. It's one of the utilities in the OS/2 Command
Line Utilities version 2.0 .
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WHERE TO FIND OS2CLU
────────────────────
The OS2CLU02 distribution archive (available as both OS2CLU02.ZIP and
OS2CLU02.RAR, to cater to different tastes) can be File Requested by
anyone at any time of the day from the following Fidonet nodes:
1:109/921.0 TSR BBS in the U.S.
2:257/609.0 Air Applewood BBS in the U.K.
1:17/23.0 Marsh BBS in Canada
It is also available on any Fidonet site around the world that carries the
Fidonet file distribution echo that is hosted by Fernwood BBS in the U.S..
It can also be found on the Hobbes FTP site run by New Mexico State
University in the U.S., and on the LEO FTP site in Germany.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 10:36:05
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: fdisk /query
MR> OS/2 may see all of the drives now, booted from floppy, but it will
MR> not work when you install Boot Manager.
And given that she has filled all four slots in the primary MBR already, she
won't be able to install Boot Manager in the first place.
MR> The only possible exception is if you don't install Boot Manager at
MR> all, and install OS/2 on the first primary partition, leaving all
MR> other partitions as type 0x06. OS/2 may then see and use all drives,
[...]
No it won't. That's why I'm proposing changes to OS2DASD.DMD in another
thread. OS/2, or rather OS2DASD.DMD, only sees the *first* type 0X partition
in any MBR. (It loops from 0 to 3 correctly, but it sents a `found' flag that
terminates the loop prematurely if it actually finds anything.) In Linda's
case, where all four entries in the primary MBR are type 06, OS2DASD.DMD will
see the first one, assign it a drive letter, and ignore all of the rest,
because as soon as it sees an entry with a type that it understands, it stops
looking at the remaining entries.
I still cannot confirm the behaviour of MS-DOS and PC-DOS (although for the
reasons that I gave in a previous message, along with the reports earlier from
John Thompson that MS/PC-DOS does indeed recognise multiple visible primary
partitions, I strongly suspect that it is the same as the rest) but *every
other* PC operating system that I have been able to experiment with or read
the source code for, including Windows NT, FreeDOS, DR-DOS, and linux, does
*not* stop processing the partition entries in the MBR until it has processed
*all four* of them. There's a strong case for OS2DASD.DMD simply being wrong
here.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 10:38:15
To: Darren Hamilton 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: FileStar/2 Assumptions
JR> I have looked at the code and it is correct as far as I am concerned.
JR> It may be 'too simplistic' to depend on OS/2 programming APIs, of
JR> which some are 'badly programmed', to get things right but most of us do.
The problem here is that Jim Read hasn't understood either the history or the
purpose of DosQueryAppType. He's thinking that it reports the "type of the
application". It doesn't. It reports the information that is required so
that the command interpreter, or indeed any other program, can decide how to
execute the application. It reports the "type of the executable file format".
The "32-bit" flag, FAPPTYP_32BIT, does *not* mean that the application
contains 32-bit code, which is the implication (to users who aren't
programmers) of the display by FileStar/2, any more than the
FAPPTYP_NOTWINDOWCOMPAT flag means that the application contains code to use
the physical video buffer directly. FAPPTYP_NOTWINDOWCOMPAT simply means that
the application *could* be not window compatible. The IBM command interpreter
automatically forces the use of a full-screen session for such applications.
The FAPPTYP_32BIT flag was introduced in the move to the 32-bit API in OS/2
2.0. What it *actually* indicates is that the application is in the new (at
the time) "32-bit" executable format, the Linear Executable format. OS/2
version 1.x only understands NE (which, ironically, stands for "New
Executable") format executable files. But the beauty of the LX executable
format was that it could be used for *both* 32-bit *and* 16-bit applications.
The FAPPTYP_32BIT flag, and all of the other flags, are there to indicate how
the command interpreter should attempt to run the application. An application
with the FAPPTYP_NOTWINDOWCOMPAT flag set should be started in a full-screen
session, *just in case*. An application with the FAPPTYP_32BIT flag set
should, similarly, only be run on OS/2 version 2.0 or later, because OS/2 1.x
won't understand the LX executable file format, and that is what the flag
means. It *doesn't* mean that the application itself is 32-bit.
As I said before, take a look at the actual contents of CMD.EXE with a tool
such as EXEHDR or TDUMP. You'll find that it is a classic example of a purely
16-bit application in "Linear Executable" executable file format. *All* of
the sections in the executable are under 64KiB in size, they *all* have the
"16:16 ALIAS" flag set meaning that they must be loaded into tiled memory, and
*all* of the fixups are "16:16 ALIAS" (or "offset16") fixups. (Indeed, *all*
of the fixups are to 16-bit system calls, if you care to check their
ordinals.)
The fact that FileStar/2 says that CMD.EXE is "32-bit", simply because the
FAPPTYP_32BIT flag is set, is highly misleading to the non-programmer.
Programmers will know that the "32-bit" designation refers to the executable
file format (and that, strictly speaking, the LX format is classed as mixed
16-bit/32-bit -- as opposed to, say, the PE format which is purely 32-bit --
so FileStar/2 is still not strictly correct). Non-programmers will think that
it means that the *application itself* is 32-bit, exactly as you did.
If FileStar/2 wanted to do things properly, to eliminate this confusion, it
would display executables without the FAPPTYP_32BIT flag set as "NE format"
and executables with the FAPPTYP_32BIT flag set as "LX format", because that
is what the flag actually means.
If it's any encouragement to Jim, this would be one in the eye for FM/2 and
Stardock Process Commander. If someone were to come along in the future
saying "application X is 32-bit, because FM/2 and Stardock Process Commander
both tell me that it is", we could then respond by saying "Not according to
FileStar/2 it isn't. FileStar/2 says that it *might* be 32-bit, but that it
could equally well be 16-bit, or a 32-bit/16-bit hybrid. And FileStar/2 gets
this stuff right, unlike FM/2 and Stardock Process Commander.". (-:
To briefly return to the initial topic of this thread, then:
The CMD.EXE shipped by IBM with all versions of OS/2, up to and including OS/2
Warp 4 with the latest fixpack, and almost certainly including WSfeB as well,
is an entirely 16-bit program, despite the erroneous information displayed by
programs such as the current version of FileStar/2. It's another 16-bit
vestige in OS/2 Warp 4 that is in need of replacement. JP Software's 4OS2 is
a mixed 32-bit/16-bit hybrid. But there does exist a pure 32-bit CMD, for
32-bit OS/2, that contains no 16-bit code whatsoever.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 10:46:11
To: Lee Aroner 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Deskarc List
LA> I'm guessing that the 21 byte section header contains a date and
LA> time, and undoubtedly something else, but what? I'll have a go
LA> at decoding the date/time part tomorro.
LA> I'll also post a structure tomorrow.
Excellent! Thank you!
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 11:24:16
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: fdisk /query
JDBP>> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK.
JDBP>> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical
JDBP>> drive that aren't assigned to any partition. The irony is that
JDBP>> with the scheme chosen by Linda's guru, this space is completely
JDBP>> unusable, since no more partitions can be created on the disc.
JDBP>> (Although one wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was
JDBP>> created short like this. Perhaps a side effect of creating the
JDBP>> partition using a hex editor on the partition table and doing the
JDBP>> arithmetic incorrectly ? (-:)
MR> It might have been FDISK that did the bad math. One of my drives has
MR> 7MB of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive
MR> defined. FDISK did it, not me.
The 7MeB of space is almost certainly the 2 cylinders that have to separate
the primary MBR from the secondary MBR at the start of the "logical drive"
defined by the extended partition entry in the primary MBR, and the secondary
MBR from the start of the actual partition contained in that "logical drive".
FDISK *has* to arrange things in such a way because one of the rules of the
partition table seems to be that partition creation programs must align all
partitions to cylinder boundaries.
That's not what is happening in Linda's case. She doesn't have *any* extended
partition. There's no room to create one. All four entries in her primary
MBR are already filled with other things.
Given that her guru created this setup by hand editing the primary MBR in hex
with Norton Utilities (as Linda said a few messages back), I strongly suspect
that my hypothesis of incorrect arithmetic in calculating the sizes is in fact
the case here.
On the other hand, it may just be an artifact of geometry translation. We'll
know for certain when Linda posts the output of PARTLIST for us.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 11:40:09
To: Linda Proulx 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: fdisk /query
JdP>> The output of PARTLIST, when Linda posts it, will give the raw MBR
JdP>> contents, which should demonstrate even more clearly how many
JdP>> visible primary partitions she has.
LP> Feel silly but can't find the program with Partlist in it. Sigh.
Download OS2CLU02.ZIP (or OS2CLU02.RAR) from your favourite files site (Andy
Roberts also has it on his system). Unpack PARTLIST.EXE and OS2CLU02.DLL with
UNZIP (or RAR), placing them somewhere accessible (such as a FAT partition on
the hard disc). Boot OS/2 (if you aren't actually doing this from within
OS/2). If you are booting from the installation floppies, shell out to the
command line with F3 when prompted to do so. Run PARTLIST, redirecting the
output to file.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 12:02:16
To: Linda Proulx 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Partlist
LP> Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran Partlist.
LP> Error statement - could not find file PMGPI.
For a temporary workaround, change to the C:\OS2\DLL directory and run the
program. For a permanent fix, use the new OS2CLU02.DLL and PARTLIST.EXE that
Andy is about to send to you.
Congratulations! You have discovered a small three line cut and paste error
that everyone else, I included, missed.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 13:17:19
To: Linda Proulx 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: fdisk /query
LP>>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>>>
LP>>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP>>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP>>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP>>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP>>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP>>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP>>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP>>> **BIOS: 504MB
JdP>> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK.
JdP>> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical
JdP>> [disc that aren't used by any partition.]
LP> O is a DOS double space drive.
There is no O: listed above. We are only concerned with, and FDISK only
displays, partitions. A DoubleSpace drive is not a partition.
JdP>> [One] wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short
JdP>> like [this.]
LP> It was what was left over. That's all.
According to the above display from FDISK, there are 5MeB *still* left over.
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From: George White 20-Nov-99 09:44:12
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
Hi MIKE,
On 18-Nov-99, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD:
DD>> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2
DD>> only see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted.
JDBP>> I have a 8.49GiB (9.1GB) drive and OS/2 sees all of it just
JDBP>> fine.
Aha! Jonathan, although he doesn't say so here, has SCSI HDs, and I
suspect Dave has ATA ones. These are the ones where this was an issue,
because the drive makers were fiddling with the way LBA was
implemented (and so changing the ATA spec) to support larger and
larger drives faster than IBM could update their driver to support the
various schemes. The most recent release of the ATA drivers _does_
support them - but it took time :-(. SCSI has been good up to 64 Gig
(the max OS/2 volume size possible) since OS/2 V2 (and possibly
before, but I've no experience of OS/2 1.x)
JDBP>> The issue with drive sizes is a complex one, and I don't really
JDBP>> have the time to type in a full explanation here. But here are
JDBP>> two points that should start you going in the right direction:
JDBP>> ■ The size limits on bootable partitions are imposed by the
JDBP>> antiquated BIOS API for accessing hard discs (which is, of
JDBP>> course, the only way to access hard discs before an operating
JDBP>> system has booted). The absolute maximum size of disc that is
JDBP>> "visible" via the BIOS API is 1024 cylinders * 255 tracks * 63
JDBP>> sectors, which is around 7.84GiB (8.42GB). All boot files and
JDBP>> partitions for all operating systems, or at least the portions
JDBP>> of those operating systems that are read before the operating
JDBP>> system's own disc device drivers kick in, must fit within the
JDBP>> first 1024 cylinders.
MR> Is there some reason that 0 is an invalid number for heads (AKA
MR> tracks/cylinder) and sectors/track? If there isn't, then that
MR> should be 1024*256*64, which comes out to exactly 8GiB (trying
MR> them on for size), provided the drive uses 512-byte sectors (as
MR> almost all do these days).
It's a valid number for heads, Jonathan has got it slightly wrong (a
rare event so note it down - but see below), afaiaa the BIOS INT13
C/H/S access call limits are:-
Cylinders 0 to 1023 = 1024
Heads 0 to 255 = 256
Sectors 1 to 63 = 63
It's only the sector numbers that are one based, and I don't know the
explanation but it's probably back in the mists of time at IBM when
they introduced the first floppy drives as a boot medium on their
machines (Murray may have some ideas).
*However* according to Ralf Brown's Interrupt List the headcount is
often limited to a max of 255 by the BIOS because of a bug in MSDOS
(all versions including the V7 underlying Win 95) which prevents
booting if there are 256 heads (which is why Jonathan is only
_slightly_ wrong <g>).
MR> Of course, that doesn't address the issue of drives larger than
MR> 8GB.
No, it can't :-).
MR> The BIOS's which are capable of supporting such drives actually
MR> support the entire drive, through a translation scheme I have yet
MR> to find any information about.
LBA (Logical Block Access) - They have a totally separate scheme which
uses sector number to access the drive (see below).
MR> The normal scheme is to double the heads and half the cylinders,
MR> but that stops working at 8GB (as it obvious).
That form of translation on ATA (or IDE if you insist) drives over 504
MB is used as the ATA C/H/S addressing scheme is limited to _16_ heads
(according to Ralf Brown's Interrupt List it's for compatibility with
the then standard Western Digital WD1003 controller for ST506
interface drives which could only support 16 heads). The alternative
for drives over 504 MB is to use LBA addressing (which is the only way
for drives over 8 GB).
MR> The new BIOS's can see the entire drive as one volume. I just
MR> don't know how they do it.
Two things :-)
First:
The ATA spec was modified (several times with various different
approaches along the way by different manufacturers) to support LBA
rather than C/H/S drive access. LBA identifies the block (sector?)
required by absolute number and will now handle drives > 8Gig, but I
don't have the ATA specs and don't know the current upper limit (maybe
Daniella will tell us - I know she has a copy).
Second:
See Ralf Brown's Interrupt List. There are IBM/MS extensions to work
with absolute block (sector?) numbers. The block number is passed in a
quad word (64 bit), so it should be good for a long time....
Int 13H function 42H - Extended read
Int 13H function 43H - Extended write
Int 13H function 44H - Verify sectors
Int 13H function 45H - Lock/unlock drive
Int 13H function 46H - Eject media
Int 13H function 47H - Extended seek
Int 13H function 48H - Get drive parameters
George
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 10:45:13
To: Andy Roberts 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Partlist
LP>> Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran Partlist.
LP>> Error statement - could not find file PMGPI.
LP>> Sorry folks. It won't work.
AR> You probably forgot OS2CLU02.DLL
It was a bona fide bug, I'm embarrassed to say.
You've already received the new pre-release with the bug fixed. Indeed,
you've probably already read the change log that I sent along with the
pre-release, noticed that it applied to Linda, realised that she had
encountered a bug, and sent her the new OS2CLU02.DLL. So I don't know why I'm
even writing this. (-:
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 12:55:11
To: Andrew Belov 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: odin-19991112
AB> The error message is always SYS0182 referencing USER32->PMWINX.1022,
That means that you don't have the latest PMWINX.DLL. Since PMWINX.DLL is
part of "Open32", that means in turn that you don't have the latest Open32.
Which means in turn that you haven't applied a recent OS/2 Warp 3 fixpack.
( I couldn't tell you the exact minimum OS/2 Warp 3 fixpack number for the
most recent Open32 updates. Someone here who is still using OS/2 Warp 3 might
be able to, though. )
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 13:04:17
To: Murray Lesser 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall
PK>> No, you are getting distracted again. Once the OS/2 Desktop is
>> visible, then the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and has
>> absolutely NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. The "stop working"
>> referred to above refers to when the BIOS is in control of the
>> Keyboard/Mouse during the initial boot process.
ML> Not entirely true when running in a VDM. According to the IBM
ML> manual "OS/2 V3 Virtual Device Driver Reference," most VDM keyboard
ML> support (particularly INT 16H) still uses the BIOS. From the CD-ROM
ML> Online Library - OS/2 Collection for January 1996:
ML>
ML> "Since the BIOS INT 16h service only references the BIOS data area
ML> for keystrokes, the BIOS continues to provide this service."
Or, in other words:
"Since it doesn't actually touch the hardware in any way, and relies
on the keyboard buffer managed in the BDA, which is filled by the
VKBD.SYS device driver, we didn't see any reason to write a protected
mode VDD when we could just let DOS applications call the 8086 mode
code located in the BIOS ROM."
Or, in yet other words still:
"This cannot possibly be the cause of the keyboard or mouse
`freezing'."
INT 16h doesn't really qualify as "keyboard support". It's actually quite a
high-level part of the system in many respects. In a VDM on OS/2, the
keyboard hardware is completely under the control of the native OS/2,
protected mode, physical keyboard device driver, IBMKBD.SYS. It is this that
actually "supports the keyboard" on OS/2. It communicates with VKBD.SYS,
which takes keystrokes intended for the VDM and places them into the buffer in
the BDA in the VDM's memory space. INT 16h merely pulls the first entry out
of that buffer.
Peter was right. INT 16h in a VDM is nothing but a distraction in this
particular case.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 13:05:08
To: Will Honea 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: fdisk /query
WH> Waste of space, but that's what happens when you cobble a kludge
WH> on top of a kludge to maintain legacy compatibility.
A man after my own heart! (-:
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a modern FDISK that *didn't* align partitions to
cylinder boundaries ? OS/2 would have no trouble with it.
A disk containing one big extended partition would need exactly two sectors
for the partition table, right at the start of the disk.
And there wouldn't be any place for MBR viruses to hide any more, either.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 13:17:22
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: fdisk /query
MR> Now, if we could kill the convention of assigning letters to primary
MR> partitions first, things could be a lot easier.
What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ?
Windows NT does it by having a table stored in its registry, which maps drive
letters to partitions. But I would object to this sort of solution, simply
because the registry is not in an easily accessible format should one want to
repair or alter this table (when booted from a recovery boot floppy, for
example).
Personally, I would lean towards a CONFIG.SYS directive:
DRIVELETTERS=C:0,1;D:0,2;E:0,3;F:1,1;G:1,2;H:1,3
But that raises the thorny questions of what to do when not all partitions are
covered by the information given in the directive, and what to do when the
directive is missing altogether.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 13:39:02
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Multiple visible primary
MR> Recall Linda Proulx's posting of her FDISK /QUERY output, from booting
MR> with floppy disks on a system which doesn't have OS/2 installed yet.
MR>
MR> All of the primary partitions were seen and assigned drive letters, in
MR> order.
By *FDISK*, yes. But what FDISK displays doesn't necessarily match what OS/2
*does*. After all, FDISK will display the drive letter assignments as they
would be after changes have been made but before they have been saved to disc.
Obviously FDISK isn't querying the operating system for the drive letter
assignments, because it has to cope with the case where the current state of
the partition table in memory doesn't actually match the current state of the
partition table on disc.
FDISK has its own letter assignment code, and I wouldn't be surprised if it
weren't coded *correctly*. After all, OS/2 FDISK has descended from the DOS
FDISK, albeit indirectly, and as has already been established we know that DOS
(and so obviously DOS tools such as FDISK) is quite capable of handling
multiple visible primary partitions.
The acid test is to set up multiple visible primary partitions on a hard disc
and see what OS2DASD.DMD does. From inspection of the code for OS2DASD.DMD,
it won't do the right thing. But we don't really *need* to do this because
Linda has already done it. And as she reported, "OS/2 doesn't see my DOS C:
partition".
Many people have told her "Of course it doesn't! Boot Manager hides all but
one of the primary partitions!", failing, of course, to notice that she
*doesn't actually have* Boot Manager installed. (There's no room for it, for
one thing.) They've attributed the behaviour that she has observed to
completely the wrong thing.
MR> While I can't verify it absolutely without running a test that I'm not
MR> keen to spend the time on, I'd say Boot Manager is the only thing
MR> standing in the way of OS/2 always recognizing primary partitions in
MR> that manner. Specifically, when a partition is chosen to boot from on
MR> a given drive, all other primary partitions are set to invalid types,
MR> to hide them.
Sadly, the hiding of partitions by multiboot utilities (and Boot Manager is
far from the only utility to operate this way) is but one obstacle to
partitioning one's disc in the way that MS-DOS version 2.0 users used to have
to. (-: The problem in OS2DASD.DMD is another. It is also the more
significant one, since one can always *not use* Boot Manager and switch
operating systems by changing the active flag around if one has multiple
visible primary partitions. (Again, this is what people in the early days of
DOS used to do. It is, I suspect, what Linda's guru intended for her to do.
It's a fair guess that she has some instructions somewhere given to her by her
guru that describe in detail how to change the active partition using FDISK in
DOS in order to boot all of these different operating systems.) But even if
one does so, one will still hit the problem of OS2DASD.DMD not assigning drive
letters correctly.
MR> If OS/2 were installed on the first primary partition, with no Boot
MR> Manager, it'd probably boot and see all drives normally.
No. This is the bug in OS2DASD.DMD. It would only see the *first* primary
partition (on each physical disc), and simply ignore the rest. The irony is
that if OS/2 happened not to be installed in the first primary partition, it
wouldn't even be able to see its own boot volume.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:42:23
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Phoenix INT 13h Extensions
JdBP> The problem with the INT 13h Extensions is threefold: Not all
JdBP> BIOSes implement these extensions, not all BIOSes implement these
JdBP> extensions correctly, and not all operating system vendors have
JdBP> caught up.
The fact that not all BIOSes implement these extensions correctly shows up
when one tries to use these extensions as standard for everything, by the way.
The BIOS on my machine here has a bug in its INT 13h extensions
implementation, for example. It works just fine for BIOS units 80 and above,
but goes wrong when used for BIOS units 00 to 7F (at least when those units
are ATAPI devices). It reads more sectors than specified by the sector count
passed to it, overwriting memory that it should not as a result.
Of course, one way of solving this is to have a special boot sector used only
for floppy discs that uses the standard INT 13h API. Windows NT is one
operating system that can quite easily get away with this scheme, for
instance, since because with Windows NT one has to jump through several hoops
to make a bootable floppy disc *anyway*, adding one more whereby one has to
specify a special floppy boot sector is not, comparatively, that much more of
a hardship.
It is much more difficult to get away with this scheme on OS/2 should one want
to, since it is comparatively very easy to create customised bootable OS/2
floppy discs.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:43:01
To: Stewart Buckingham 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: 00GLOBAL.TXT to PC-BOARD
SB> Something in REXX would certainly be a bonus for all OS/2 PCBOARD
SB> sysops, not just Holger.
Well if Holger can describe how the PC-BOARD file description format actually
works, I'm sure that someone in the OS2REXX echo will be up to the challenge
of writing a REXX script to do the conversion.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:44:26
To: Tony Pater 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Ispell ?
TP> I've done re-installs, using defaults etcetera but
TP> to no avail ... it keeps flashing up an error message
TP> when invoked to the effect that 'a non-recognised
TP> command in 'Termcap.Dat'.
Ah, termcap! Another UNIX mechanism derived from the silly and antiquated
"you users are really all 1960s teletypes" paradigm that UNIX uses, that leaks
onto OS/2 because UNIX programmers either don't use curses properly or the
people who port the tools use curses libraries that are just straight code
ports, rather than ones where the effort has been put in to make them use
OS/2's console subsystems (VIO and KBD) as they properly should do.
The first thing to do, if this were a UNIX system, would be to check the value
of the TERM environment variable that the `lspell' process is inheriting from
its parent. It should probably be some variant on "ansi". Then check the
value of the TERMCAP environment variable to ensure that it points to the
TERMCAP.DAT file. Then GREP the TERMCAP.DAT file for the entry corresponding
to the value of the TERM environment variable. The entry will probably be
wrapped onto multiple lines by using slash characters at the end of the line,
so use something like "/O,10" as an option to GREP to list the 10 lines
subsequent to the matching one as well (or some other number of your choice).
In other words:
SET TERM
DIR %TERMCAP%
GREP /O,10 %TERM% %TERMCAP%
Then read the termcap(3) man pages to try and work out what the gibberish
actually means and why lspell doesn't like it. (-:
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:45:24
To: Murray Lesser 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: The 80486 "requirement"
ML> According to the books, it takes more (minimum) RAM to run Warp 4
ML> than it did to run Warp 3 (but 20 MB should be more than sufficient)
ML> and at least a 80486 chip (which you have), [...]
An 80486 (or equivalent, such as a AMD or Cyrix 5x86) is not a *requirement*,
however. It would be for OS/2 SMP, but it isn't for the uniprocessor kernel.
Apparently, from the discussions that ensued when this first became known
several years ago, the 80486 "requirement" is nothing more than the fact that
IBM switched on the "optimise for the 486" flag to the compiler. Previously
it had been optimising for the 80386. When one generates code optimised for
the 486, compilers schedule instructions slightly differently (to better use
the pipelining that is in the 80486), but they don't actually use any
instructions that aren't also available on the 80386. (There aren't any,
really, that are of any practical use outside of certain very specialised
areas like SMP.)
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:51:04
To: Herbert Rosenau 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Clunker update
JdBP>> "Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has
JdBP>> been, and has always had multiple input queues,
JdBP>> one per application thread."
HR> Yeah! But it has a *single* System Message Queue. This one is that
HR> accepts events from keyboard and mouse. The multiple application
HR> message queues are the other side.
And as Mike Ruskai pointed out, that queue is *not* locked and *not* the cause
of the problem. It doesn't have to be locked. When a thread that is
executing WinGetMsg() takes a message from the raw input queue, it only needs
to lock the queue whilst it is extracting the message. It doesn't need to
hold the queue locked once it has the message, which means that it isn't
preventing other threads from accessing the raw input queue immediately
afterwards whilst it goes away and calls WinDispatchMsg().
In any case, if this *were* a problem with the raw input queue, it would be a
problem on Windows NT as well, because Windows NT *also* has a single raw
input queue. But Windows NT is famous for *not* having a "SIQ problem",
therefore the problem is not caused by there being a single raw input queue.
As I said, the letter 'S' in "SIQ" *does* *not* *stand* *for* *"single"*.
Your explanation of how the raw input queue is blocked
HR> If you PM application is in thread 1 working on a message
HR> received from PM no other system message can and will be
HR> processed until this application thread returns to PM. Therfore
HR> the single system message queue is blocked. No event can go to
HR> any other application or thread from there.
is simply wrong. As, too, is your understanding of how PM applications work:
HR> If the PM receives an event foran PM application it will search
HR> in its list to find which application ownes the focus. Then
HR> this event is put (from system message queue) into the
HR> applications message queue. After that the PM calls itself
HR> the application to handle that message. Now the application
HR> controls the PM until it returns. After return the PM showns
HR> into the system message queue for the next message it received
HR> from keyboard/mouse to call the same or another application
HR> with that message.
In almost every respect your explanation is entirely backwards. Presentation
Manager (and indeed Windows and the Macintosh) are "pull event" systems not
"push event" systems. You seem to think that PMSHELL.EXE *is* Presentation
Manager, and that it pushes events to other applications. This is rubbish.
PMSHELL.EXE is simply the first application that uses the Presentation Manager
library that happens to run. PMSHELL.EXE *is not* Presentation Manager.
PMSHELL.EXE is the Workplace Shell *application*, that just happens to *use*
Presentation Manager.
There is no single process that contains Presentation Manager. You cannot
point to an executable and say "that is the PM server process". PM is not X.
It doesn't *have* a single server process that pushes events out to all other
processes. Presentation Manager is a coöperative effort of all of the
applications that use the PM library to present a graphical user interface.
And it uses a "pull event" paradigm.
Threads call WinGetMsg(), and pull any events that they are interested in from
various places. (WM_PAINT events, for example, are in fact generated on the
fly internally within WinGetMsg(). They don't sit in the thread's message
queue at all. This is why multiple WinInvalidateRect() calls might only
result in a single WM_PAINT message.) WinGetMsg() pulls messages from the raw
keyboard input queue if it notices that it is the thread that owns the window
with the input focus for the current desktop. It pulls messages out of the
thread's message queue that have been posted to it with WinPostMsg(). It
pulls any messages that have been sent to it by other threads with
WinSendMsg(). Presentation Manager doesn't "call the application" and push
events onto it. The application's threads call the Presentation Manager
library's WinGetMsg() function and *pull* events from various places, which
they then distribute to their individual window functions by then calling
WinDispatchMsg().
Moreover, your idea that the application "returns back to PM" whereupon PM
unlocks the raw input queue and goes on to process the next message is also
completely backwards. The synchronous nature of the "Synchronous Input Queue"
problem is not that the raw input queue is locked. It *isn't* locked once
WinGetMsg() has returned (PM returns to the application, not the other way
around, by the way.) and the application is deciding what to do with the
message that it has obtained.
The synchronous nature of the SIQ problem is that focus change processing is
synchronous. (I admit that I wasn't too clear about this in my previous
message. But this isn't the OS2PROG echo where one normally goes into this
sort of detail.) All of the WM_ACTIVATE, WM_FOCUS, and WM_SETSELECTION
messages that result from WinFocusChange() are sent synchronously, as if by
WinSendMsg(). This means that the focus change will block partway through
changing the focus if one of the currently active windows isn't calling
WinGetMsg() frequently, or at all. (You'll notice that you'll never see a
known "bad" application lock Presentation Manager if you never give it the
input focus or make any of its windows active.)
The "desynchronisation" fix in OS/2 Warp is to modify WinFocusChange() so that
the message sending will time out after a fixed period. (There's no timeout
parameter to WinSendMsg() so it must be using an internal, not publically
accessible, function to do this.) If a thread refuses to process and
acknowledge a WM_ACTIVATE, WM_SETSELECTION, or WM_SETFOCUS message within that
time, WinFocusChange() simply acts as if the message *had* been acknowledged,
and also marks the offending (WC_FRAME) window as "unresponsive" (and paints a
border around it) in case the same thing were to happen in the future.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:52:04
To: Herbert Rosenau 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: DETACH
JdBP>> To be honest, I don't see any reason for keeping this check in
JdBP>> PM, and I wish that IBM would remove it. It's a kludge that
JdBP>> tries to create, with smoke and mirrors, the effect that there
JdBP>> are different "types" of sessions when in fact there aren't.
JdBP>> OS/2 Warp would be much more useful *without* this kludge,
JdBP>> because programs could then use a combination of PM and
JdBP>> text-mode if they wanted to.
HR> They can!
HR>
HR> The only thing a programmer has to do is to
HR>
HR> - write a multithreaded VIO program
HR> - link with a PM DLL
HR>
HR> then if he would any PM ineraction he starts a thread that calls the
HR> DLL and this can interact with PM as it likes.
Maybe you should have tried this before posting. If you had, you would have
found that WinCreateMsgQueue() returns an error if Presentation Manager
detects that the process type in the PIB is for a windowed or full-screen VIO
process. WinInitialize() will create an anchor block, but a text-mode
process, because of this check, will fail if it tries to do anything that
involves sending messages at any stage, because it doesn't have a message
queue.
So, in fact, programs cannot use a combination of PM and text. Try it and see
for yourself.
What you describe is how things *should* happen and how I, for one, *want*
them to happen. But currently they do not happen this way, because of a
purely arbitrary check on the process type made by the Presentation Manager
library during initialisation.
For those unfamiliar with the mechanisms of PM, this can have surprising
results. WinQueryWindowText() doesn't work when used by a text-mode
application, for instance. This is surprising to the PM novice, until he
reads the PM reference and finds that WinQueryWindowText() simply calls
WinSendMsg() with WM_QUERYWINDOWPARAMS behind the scenes. The WinSendMsg()
fails, of course, because the text-mode application doesn't have a message
queue.
This is one of the reasons why I made WINSIGHT, in the OS/2 Command Line
Utilities version 2.0, a graphical program. (WINSIGHT displays a tree
comprising all of the PM windows in the system, including their handles, owner
threads, window classes, and window text.) I couldn't make WINSIGHT a
text-mode program because any attempt it made to query the text for a window
would fail in that case.
There is a well-known technique known as "process morphing" that can bypass
the check that PM makes, by the simple tecnique of writing a different value
into the PIB. But this renders the information in the PIB worthless, and
brings us back to my point that this check in PM should be removed. If the
process type field in the PIB can be any arbitrary value, why is PM even
checking it in the first place ?
As I said before:
JdBP>> If Presentation Manager didn't have this check in it, PMCMD
JdBP>> would actually be able to display graphical windows as normal,
JdBP>> *as well as* be able to print messages to its standard output
JdBP>> and have them displayed on the session's console. There
JdBP>> wouldn't be this artificial distinction between "text mode
JdBP>> programs" and "graphical programs". There would just be
JdBP>> programs, which could choose to use the session's console to
JdBP>> display a textual user interface or choose to use the
JdBP>> Presentation Manager graphics library to display a graphical
JdBP>> windowing user interface, or even choose to do both.
A text-mode WINSIGHT program would be trivial in this case.
You responded to the above paragraph by saying
HR> It is a problem of PM (pmshell.exe) to hold full control over screen,
HR> mouse, keyboard not of OS/2.
Again, from this /non sequitur/ it is clear that you really don't understand
what Presentation Manager is. Let me re-iterate, just to drive the point
home:
PMSHELL.EXE *is* *not* *Presentation* *Manager*.
Who said that it *was* an OS/2 problem, anyway ? Nowhere in anything that I
wrote did I say that this was anything at all to do with the OS/2 kernel.
Indeed, I explicitly made the point that the OS/2 kernel itself makes *no*
distinction whatsoever between "text mode" and "graphical" processes. This
was the whole point that I was making. That's why the distinction made by PM
is so arbitrary.
As I keep saying, the problem is a check in Presentation Manager, that imposes
an artificial distinction where there is no *actual* distinction, and that
should be removed.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:55:25
To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Phoenix INT 13h Extensions
MR> Is there some reason that 0 is an invalid number for heads (AKA
MR> tracks/cylinder) and sectors/track? If there isn't, then that should
MR> be 1024*256*64, which comes out to exactly 8GiB (trying them on for
MR> size), provided the drive uses 512-byte sectors (as almost all do
MR> these days).
It isn't an invalid number. It simply means 0 rather than 256. I agree with
you that this is unfortunate, since one would never *want* 0. But there it
is.
MR> Of course, that doesn't address the issue of drives larger than 8GB.
I take it that you mean 8GiB. 8GB is 7.45GiB, of course.
MR> The BIOS's which are capable of supporting such drives actually
MR> support the entire drive, through a translation scheme I have yet to
MR> find any information about.
They don't use translation at all. In fact they don't use cylinders, heads,
and sectors.
There is a new API, the so-called "INT 13h extensions", promulgated by
Phoenix, IBM, and Microsoft. It takes 64-bit logical block numbers as
parameters. I can file attach the PDF file containing the API description to
your Fidonet node if you want.
This is obviously the correct solution to the 1024 cylinder problem, and the
one that I champion whenever this subject comes up. All of this fuss about
translation merely postponed the problem. Now that hard discs have reached
and exceeded the upper limit of translation, 7.84GiB, we are seeing the same
problem as was seen all those years ago when discs started to commonly exceed
504MeB. Only this time there is no convenient ugly bodge that can save the
day by postponing the problem for a few years and passing it on to the next
generation of hardware product managers.
The problem with the INT 13h Extensions is threefold: Not all BIOSes
implement these extensions, not all BIOSes implement these extensions
correctly, and not all operating system vendors have caught up.
The fact that not all BIOSes implement these extensions is something that one
just has to accept. But it *is* the reason for not all operating system
vendors (or indeed, hardly any of them) having caught up. Their boot sector
and kernel loader code still uses the old INT 13h API, the one that uses
cylinders, heads, and sectors, because it is the *only* API that is
*guaranteed* to work on *any* arbitrary machine. If the operating system
vendors were to change their boot sector and kernel loader code to use the
Phoenix/IBM/Microsoft extensions, they would eliminate a large range of older
machines from their market, and give themselves a reputation for
"incompatibility" as well. ("I bought this operating system, and installed it
on my old spare 486 to try it out before tackling my main machine, but it
doesn't even get as far as booting!")
It is worth noting that even operating systems as "forward thinking" as linux
2.3 is supposed to be (although I would contest that designation, given its
design principles) still use the old INT 13h API. But linux is probably under
more pressure than most to stick with the old broken way of doing things,
since much hyperbole is made from the fact that one can "re-use old 486es by
putting linux on them". Fixing the linux boot code to work properly would
eliminate this possibility, and the hyperbole, and would have a severe impact
upon linux hobbyists, to boot.
As far as I have been able to find out, there are only three operating systems
whose boot code uses the new INT 13h extensions. Two of those are Microsoft
DOS-Windows 98 (and 95 OSR2) and IBM OS/2 Warp Server 5. (IBM OS/2 Warp
Server 5 contains a new Boot Manager that uses the INT 13h Extensions and that
can thus boot from any partition anywhere on any disk, for example.) These
both avoid the problem of gaining a reputation for incompatibility in
different ways. IBM OS/2 Warp Server is obviously targetted at server-class
hardware, and so is unlikely to be installed on machines with older BIOSes.
And people to a large degree *expect* server operating systems to be fussier
than workstation ones. Microsoft DOS-Windows 95 OSR2 and DOS-Windows 98 are
mainly aimed at the pre-load, rather than the retail, market (hence the
designation "OEM Service Release" -- which means that this was something given
to OEMs to pre-load, rather than a retail product in its own right), and so
can be guaranteed, simply by the way that it is sold, that it will be used on
newer machines.
Of course, in a perfect world, all operating systems would change to use the
new INT 13h Extensions, and this whole problem of 1024 cylinders would go away
completely.
Indeed, since the INT 13h Extensions don't work in terms of cylinders, heads,
and sectors, making them *the* standard would also simplify the boot-time hard
disc support that has to be supplied in the BIOS extension ROMs on SCSI Host
Adapter cards, since SCSI natively doesn't use cylinders, heads, and sectors
either. The mapping from native SCSI to what the BIOS uses would be much
simpler.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:59:11
To: Herbert Rosenau 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: Warp3 to Win98 lan
PS>> we have just bought a new system, running Win98SE.
PS>> In the win95 system we had two 6.5gig hard drives which we have
PS>> now installed into the new Win98 system.
PS>> The problem now is that my OS/2 system reports that there is no
PS>> free space on these two drives (each drive is a single fat32
PS>> partition)
HR> FAT32 isn't FAT16. So you have either format the drive with FAT16 or
HR> install one of the FAT32 OS/2 drivers. Or you have to networking to
HR> become acces from another computer to that drive.
I was confused by his message at first, too. I wondered how OS/2 could even
access a disc drive that was in a *physically separate machine*.
Then I read the subject line. (-:
He is already using a LAN. His problem would seem to be that when accessed
across the LAN, OS/2 sees plenty of free space on the drives shared by the
DOS-Windows 95 system, but no free space at all on the drives shared by the
new DOS-Windows 98 system. It's a pity that he didn't express it more
clearly.
DOS-Windows is well know for being buggy and simply not being able to cut it
as a file server. It doesn't report things correctly. For example, whilst
other operating systems will see long filenames just fine on volumes shared by
Windows NT, on volumes shared by DOS-Windows 9x they will only see the short
8.3 filenames, because of a problem in how DOS-Windows 9x implements SMB. And
it is what the fileserver tells the other systems that is important. It is
the fileserver that controls what information is visible. Given that
DOS-Windows 9x doesn't report long filenames in a way that other operating
systems can understand, since it has implemented the SMB protocol badly, I
wouldn't be surprised that it doesn't report the free space on FAT32 volumes
in a way that other operating systems couldn't understand, either. Hence the
reason that OS/2 Warp would be seeing no free space. It is seeing whatever
the fileserver tells it, and the fileserver, DOS-Windows 98, would simply not
be telling it the truth.
My somewhat callous recommendation, therefore, would be to stop using the
DOS-Windows 9x machines as file servers, and use some other operating system
for the file server. Make the DOS-Windows 9x machines clients, instead.
Of course, the first thing to check before doing so would be that what he has
described to us is what is actually happening. He should use a native OS/2
tool (such as the FREE command in 4OS2 or Take Command for OS/2, or the
[Details] page of the properties notebook for the drive on the WPS desktop) to
measure free space and confirm that OS/2 *really is* being told that there are
zero bytes free by the DOS-Windows 98 fileserver. DOS tools are almost
invariably broken (the well-known 32-bit integer 2GiB problem) when it comes
to measuring free space, and shouldn't be relied upon. OS/2 tools are not
perfect, but the two mentioned above, at least, are far better. The problem
could well be that he is using some old broken DOS tool to measure free space,
which is falling over or reporting zero because the numbers are too large. In
which case he need not change fileservers, and should simply throw away the
DOS tool and use a decent native OS/2 tool on OS/2, instead.
Since he claims that the drive sizes haven't changed, that he has simply moved
the hard disc units from one machine to another, I suspect that it really is
the case that DOS-Windows 98 is simply not telling the truth here, and that he
really will have to change to using a different operating system for his
fileserver.
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From: James Mckenzie 26-Nov-99 05:58:10
To: Jaap van.Veen 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40
Hello Jaap!
23 Nov 99 20:14, Jaap van.Veen wrote to All:
JV> Hallo All,
JV> As I have recalled earlier, my system (486DX2 66) is much faster with
JV> FP40 installed. This has to do with the faster handling of the
JV> harddisk.
JV> However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is not serviced
JV> in time causing overruns. Does somebody know how I can avoid overrun
JV> of COM1.
JV> I am using SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS since the beginning of my
JV> dealing with OS/2.
What are your settings for COM1?
James
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From: James Mckenzie 26-Nov-99 05:59:26
To: James Byrnes 26-Nov-99 12:58:17
Subj: E-Trade
Hello James!
23 Nov 99 22:26, James Byrnes wrote to all:
JB> Is anyone using Communicator 4.61 to sucessfully logon to E-Trade and
JB> view their portfolio?
JB> I can logon and go to the portfolio tab, but if once there I try to
JB> change the view, say from performance to quick, instead of being shown
JB> the view I requested I am shown the logon page again. If I try to
JB> logon again I am given an error message saying that I am trying to
JB> logon from a page in the cache.
JB> I loaded Windows and used IE 5 and it worked as it should so it is not
JB> the site.
JB> I booted up my other machine and tried Communicator 4.04 for OS/2 and
JB> it did not work, but when I tried Netscape 2.02 for OS/2 it worked.
JB> I have tried emptying the cache, both memory and disk, but it did not
JB> help.
JB> Does anyone have any ideas as to what is going on here?
Which version of NS/2 are you using. I think that E-Trade requires a 128 bit
security level or you cannot get onto the site.
James
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From: Rich Wonneberger 26-Nov-99 08:31:28
To: Linda Proulx 26-Nov-99 13:44:06
Subj: Win-os2 setup
*** Quoting Linda Proulx to All dated 11-25-99 ***
> The original question was that on quick perusal, the Blue win file
> structure looks very much the same as Win3.1X. If this is correct, why
> would I not need an uninstaller as win programs will set themselves up
> in the inis as before?
Linda,
Its been a hundred years since I used 3.x (OS/2 or MS ver).
I dont recall it having a uninstal.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :}
Rich
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From: Rich Wonneberger 26-Nov-99 08:42:11
To: Gregory Urban 26-Nov-99 13:44:06
Subj: Odin and app install
*** Quoting Gregory Urban to All dated 11-25-99 ***
> Anyone out there figure out how to get around this? Also, anyone out
> there
> know how to unpack .CAB files?
Gregory,
If your referring to Windy .CAB files the newest version of WinZip (7.0 if not
newer) opens them.
Sorry I dont have a OS/2 solution.
Rich
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From: Will Honea 26-Nov-99 14:13:00
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 26-Nov-99 14:13:00
Subj: fdisk /query
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea on 11-20-1999
JP> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a modern FDISK that *didn't*
JP> align partitions to cylinder boundaries ? OS/2 would have
JP> no trouble with it.
Nor would DOS 5-7, NT, or anything else I've played with. The only
problem is creating the sucker in the first place!
JP> A disk containing one big extended partition would need
JP> exactly two sectors for the partition table, right at the
JP> start of the disk.
JP>
JP> And there wouldn't be any place for MBR viruses to hide any more,
JP> either.
I know of a few virui of the boot sector ilk that actually do
re-locate partition boundaries to make room to hide themselves. The
downside is that these would probably over-write data if you took away
their sandbox.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Ron Nicholls 25-Nov-99 22:00:00
To: Bat Lang 25-Nov-99 22:00:00
Subj: Ftp
BL> I presume you are savvy that the 118 files at hursley are useable
BL> ONLY if you already have installed an earlier 118? Here's from the
BL> readme @ ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118
BL>
BL>
/***************************************************************************/
BL>
BL> /* Java for OS/2 service update version JDK 1.1.8 IBM build
BL> o118-19991026 */
Well, actually, I have not consciously installed 1.1.8. I distinctly
remember downloading all 20 meg of 1.1.7 and installing that.
BUT if I check ---
[C:\]java -fullversion
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990728 (JIT enabled:
javax V3. 5-IBMJDK1.1-19990728)"
I get this.
I did install a runtime/samples/toolkik/exe files sometime
ago after installing 1.1.7. Did they update Java 1.1.7 to 1.1.8 ???
Whatever, I seem to have it almost.
-
-
Regards RonN
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From: Andy Roberts 26-Nov-99 12:35:02
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 26-Nov-99 20:16:18
Subj: Partlist
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard,
20-Nov-99 10:45:26, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Andy Roberts
Subject: Partlist
LP>>> Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran
LP>>> Partlist. Error statement - could not find file PMGPI.
LP>>> Sorry folks. It won't work.
AR>> You probably forgot OS2CLU02.DLL
JdBP> It was a bona fide bug, I'm embarrassed to say.
JdBP> You've already received the new pre-release with the bug fixed.
Ok, so when is the fixed public release going to happen?
JdBP> Indeed, you've probably already read the change log that I sent
JdBP> along with the pre-release, noticed that it applied to Linda,
JdBP> realised that she had encountered a bug, and sent her the new
JdBP> OS2CLU02.DLL. So I don't know why I'm even writing this. (-:
Do you want to find out if the rest of the public is going to ask you to send
the fix to them too? <g>
Can you say OS2CLU21.ZIP ? <LOL> I learned long ago that 99.9% of the public
won't find nor complain about a miner bug for many years as long as no one
else tells them about it. OTOH... You spilled the beans. <g>
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Larry Snider 26-Nov-99 13:48:20
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 26-Nov-99 23:18:03
Subj: Tutorial
Hi Jonathan,
19-Nov-99 10:31:14, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Larry Snider
Subject: Tutorial
jdbp> The OS2CLU02 distribution archive (available as both
jdbp> OS2CLU02.ZIP and OS2CLU02.RAR, to cater to different tastes) can
jdbp> be File Requested by anyone at any time of the day from the
jdbp> following Fidonet nodes:
Got it. Very nice set of utilities.
Larry Snider
Larry.Snider@attglobal.net
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From: Holger Granholm 25-Nov-99 21:58:00
To: Sean Dennis 26-Nov-99 23:18:03
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ
In a message dated 11-23-99, Sean Dennis said to Holger Granholm:
Hello Sean,
SD>You can use a standard term package to dial out through VModem. You
SD>don't really even need MTel. :)
I know that but with MTel I don't need VModem nor any "standard term
package". MTel is in itself like a term package with phone book etc.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Matti Palmström 26-Nov-99 00:55:20
To: Sean Dennis 26-Nov-99 23:18:03
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ
MP> Dune!
SD> Doesn't quite work that way when you want to run DOS doors under
SD> OS/2 with a BBS.
Yeah, I know. I was only kidding. I think it's great with your FAQ because I
know a lot of newcommers seems to have problems just with SIO..
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From: Peter Knapper 27-Nov-99 09:45:10
To: All 26-Nov-99 23:18:03
Subj: >2Mb drive issues.
Hi Folks,
While browsing around my system the other day I discovered the following piece
from my \IBMLAN\IBMLAN.INI file -
========================================================================
; 35 free disk space reported to DOS and Windows applications
; 0 = return true value (default)
; 1 = return a value less than two gigabytes
;
; The next lines help you to locate bits in the wrkheuristics entry.
; 1 2 3 4
; 012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
wrkheuristics = 111111112131111111000101112011122100111110
========================================================================
So if you have DOS/Windows clients accessing large volumes on an OS/2 machine
across a LAN, then it appears that you can have OS/2 respond to them with an
acceptable disk space value without requiring extra utilities.
I haven't tried it but it may be useful to someone...........pk.
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From: Peter Knapper 27-Nov-99 12:26:06
To: All 26-Nov-99 23:18:03
Subj: >2Mb drive issues.
Hi Folks,
While browsing around my system the other day I discovered the following piece
from my \IBMLAN\IBMLAN.INI file -
========================================================================
; 35 free disk space reported to DOS and Windows applications
; 0 = return true value (default)
; 1 = return a value less than two gigabytes
;
; The next lines help you to locate bits in the wrkheuristics entry.
; 1 2 3 4
; 012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
wrkheuristics = 111111112131111111000101112011122100111110
^
|
Change this bit to 1!
========================================================================
So if you have DOS/Windows clients accessing large volumes on an OS/2 machine
across a LAN, then it appears that you can have OS/2 respond to them with an
acceptable disk space value without requiring extra utilities.
I haven't tried it but it may be useful to someone...........pk.
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From: Murray Lesser 26-Nov-99 17:39:00
To: Jack Stein 26-Nov-99 17:39:00
Subj: Small programs
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-23-99, Jack Stein to Murray Lesser)
Hi Jack--
JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was
>that program I wrote way back when...." <g>
ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function"
ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file
ML> is 619 bytes.
JS>I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM
>by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory.
ML> You are comparing apples and oranges. David's DLL lives
ML> on the disk in a file containing 619 bytes. If I ask EXEHDR
ML> about TELLBOOT.DLL, it tells me that it lives in 46H (70
ML> decimal) bytes of "virtual memory."
JS>I was hoping you would not notice that:-) On the other hand, Davids
>is an external REXX function DLL file, not a regular application,
>right? Jays OSTSR is a 920 byte "standalone" .com application...
>Does that count for anything?
I suppose so. If you want play that way, I have a 44-byte (file
size) .COM program that sets the left margin and type font on my old,
wide-carriage QuickWriter printer to allow 80-character lines to be
printed in 12-pitch type with a 1.25-inch left-hand binding margin.
EXEHDR can't measure it, but (as a DOS program) the memory used would be
144 bytes. But Roy beat us both with his 7-byte program.
End of thread?
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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