General OS/2 Discussion (Fidonet) Saturday, 20-Nov-1999 to Friday, 26-Nov-1999 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 19-Nov-99 19:00:00 To: MIKE RUSKAI 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error > Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to All > on 11-13-99 05:22 about Communicator Fatal Error... >> Hi, >> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7. >> Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a >> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how >> to remedy this error? > The only time I've seen this problem is when Netscape doesn't know where > it's located. It determines that from an INI entry in the OS2.INI file, > which won't be there if you go back to an archive from before Netscape was > installed, or re-install OS/2. > If that's your problem, the following should solve it for you: > /* Create Netscape entry in OS2.INI */ I used the utility called Service Center to view what software is registered in my INI file and it lists a copy of Netscape. Maybe that is pointing to the older Netscape V2.02 which I still have on disk too? How do I tell? The strange thing is I've been using V4.04 without any known problems up until the point I started receiving this error message. Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 23:22:00 To: Linda Proulx 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Install On 14/11/1999, Lee Aroner said to Linda Proulx about Install: Hi Linda and Lee. I agree with everything but this one: LA> LA> > FCBS=16,8 LA> Set this to "8,4" LA> Since this is for MS-PC-DOS v1.x support ONLY, I suggest that you make it "2,2" which is the minimum possible. John Angelico Co-convener, OS/2 SIG Melbourne PC User Group also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X The measure of a man is what he does with power. (Pittacus) --- * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group BBS (3:633/309) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 23:25:01 To: Jack Stein 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Installation problem On 15/11/1999, Jack Stein said to Linda Proulx about Installation problem: JS> JS> That was a bug in WARP 3 that was there for one day, on the JS> day of it's intial release. You could not buy, or it was JS> difficult to find a copy of that, as they pulled it and JS> fixed that on the first day. JS>Don't believe everything you read in Unleashed. JS> Oh, no! Jack - you have just introduced a bug into Linda's mental source code - and she's going to have to look at EVERYTHING in Unleashed with a jaundiced eye... John Angelico Co-convener, OS/2 SIG Melbourne PC User Group also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X It's always in the last place you look :). --- * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group BBS (3:633/309) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 23:27:02 To: Ron Nicholls 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Netscape416 On 14/11/1999, Ron Nicholls said to All about Netscape416: RN> I stumbled across this accidently. If one holds RN> the mouse button down on the back/forward RN> icons a popup history menu appears RN> Ron - just for the pedants...which button? John Angelico Co-convener, OS/2 SIG Melbourne PC User Group also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X W Gates: According to my best recollection, I don't remember. --- * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group BBS (3:633/309) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 19-Nov-99 13:52:09 To: Coridon Henshaw 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Get Going Coridon Henshaw, 18-Nov-99 16:34:53, Coridon Henshaw wrote to Andy Roberts CH> On Tuesday November 16 1999 at 18:52, Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx: Subject: Get Going AR>> I also have a HP DeskJet 340, which is color but only 300DPI, which AR>> makes photos look like newspaper print. I don't use this at all AR>> anymore. The little liquid ink cartridge (typical size of many new AR>> printers) will only do about 200 pages maximum if used very quickly. AR>> If it is only used once in a couple of weeks, then it will dry out or AR>> clog up long before you get 50 pages out of it. That works out to AR>> about $1 per page. CH> For comparison, the toner cartridge in a Xerox DocuPrint P8e will CH> print 5,000 pages and costs about $200 (CDN) to replace. This CH> works out to 4 cents (CDN) a page. That price per cartridge seems a bit steep in comparison to the HP4L, which is usually between $50-70 US. I'm well into my 3rd case of paper and have only replaced the cartridge once. So it too gets 5000+ pages per cartridge. That works out to about 1 cent (US) per page. CH> If you can afford the initial capital for a laser printer, don't CH> waste money on an inkjet. I agree about Laser, for speed and quality as well as price for B&W. The only good reason I can think of to get an InkJet is for color. I did pay what I thought at the time was a rather high up front price for the HP4L. And I probably would not have bought it except the company paid for it, and it has far better speed and quality than a dot matrix. Like most commercial equipment, I think the longer life expectancy and low maintenance, does justify the cost in the long run. I've checked several times in the last year trying to find a used HP4L for sale at various auctions, and never seen 1, even though they were very popular a few years ago. I guess everyone who bought it is so satisfied that they don't want to sell it. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 4.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 08:49:19 To: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Deskarc List Hi Will, WH> In another msg. you refer to the X, 1, 2, 3 sequences. If you make WH> several archives you will find that the 1 -3 entries appear to be a WH> used to refer to 3 'buckets' where a new archive replaces the oldest WH> (3) one and becomes 1 while the remaining 'buckets' (1 and 2) are WH> incremented. Sort of a first-in/first-out stack of 3. Note: I may be WH> bass-ackwards on the order. I say 1 is the newest but it may really be WH> 3; I haven't messed with this in a LONG time. This sounds sort of like an old IBM mainframe terminology from the 1970's, 80's.....;-) GDG's, Generation Data Groups... The latest version of a file is 0, previous version -1, prior to that -2 etc, for as many archives as you wish to keep. When its time to update to the latest version, input file is 0, output is +1. If the update succeeds, then EVERYTHING renumbers down 1 when it completes leaving the latest at 0... It was also possible to "cycle" the numbers early, so that 0 became the new space allocation of the series that is empty, and updates are done FROM -1, TO 0. While this was easier to handle re-runs (frequent in those days), it means the latest file may not contain valid data until the update worked. Many years ago I wrote 2 small DOS & OS/2 utilites that performed something similar (CYCLE and GDG, one Cycles DOWN in number, the other GDG's UP) and I used those on the BBS to replicate the Mainframe methodology. Each week (actually on the 1st, 6th, 11th, 16th, 21st, 26th of the month) I "Cycle" the BBS log files and keep 8 weeks of files as backups. Each month I combine the oldest months data and archive it. This way the BBS log files never get too large to manage and I have all the records of each month archived for historical purposes (I run the BBS for a club). Just another usless piece of info.........;-) --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 10:08:05 To: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Deskarc List Hi Will, WH> In another msg. you refer to the X, 1, 2, 3 sequences. If you make WH> several archives you will find that the 1 -3 entries appear to be a WH> used to refer to 3 'buckets' where a new archive replaces the oldest WH> (3) one and becomes 1 while the remaining 'buckets' (1 and 2) are WH> incremented. Sort of a first-in/first-out stack of 3. Note: I may be WH> bass-ackwards on the order. I say 1 is the newest but it may really be WH> 3; I haven't messed with this in a LONG time. This sounds sort of like an old IBM mainframe terminology from the 1970's, 80's.....;-) GDG's, Generation Data Groups... The latest version of a file is 0, previous version -1, prior to that -2 etc, for as many archives as you wish to keep. When its time to update to the latest version, input file is 0, output is +1. If the update succeeds, then EVERYTHING renumbers down 1 when it completes leaving the latest at 0... It was also possible to "cycle" the numbers early, so that 0 became the new space allocation of the series that is empty, and updates are done FROM -1, TO 0. While this was easier to handle re-runs (frequent in those days), it means the latest file may not contain valid data until the update worked. Many years ago (before I moved to OS/2 even) I wrote 2 small DOS & OS/2 utilites that performed something similar (CYCLE and GDG, one Cycles DOWN in number, the other GDG's UP) and I used those on the BBS to replicate the Mainframe methodology. Each week (actually on the 1st, 6th, 11th, 16th, 21st, 26th of the month) I "Cycle" the BBS log files and keep 8 weeks of files as backups. Each month I combine the oldest months data and archive it. This way the BBS log files never get too large to manage and I have all the records of each month archived for historical purposes (I run the BBS for a club). Just another useless piece of info.........;-) --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 09:27:22 To: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Ispell ? Hi Will, WH> attrib /s /a:d -a c:\* WH> Try that on your drives and see if it revives WH> the program. Long shot but... I am runing W4 FP9 here and the online help and attrib /? dont show the /a:d or -a options. Are these undocumented or a result of a later fixpak?....pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 19-Nov-99 09:12:29 To: Lee Aroner 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: SIO/VModem FAQ? Hello, Lee. -=> Replying to a message of Lee Aroner to Sean Dennis: SD>> To get it via email FREQ: LA> Interesting utility. LA> What is it? It's a feature of a program called Internet Rex. Internet Rex is a multifunction program whose main job is to handle echomail packets (in many formats) over email attachments and FTP. It can handle MIME-64, SEAT, AllFix, TransX and other formats as well. The new version (2.0) that will be coming out soon will even have its own built-in POP3/SMTP and FTP servers! You can check it out at http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex or pick up the IREX echo. Its author is Charles Cruden (who haunts in here somewhere)... it's available in OS/2, DOS, Win32 and Linux flavors. I've found it's an indispensable program that I couldn't carry most of the 14 networks that I carry now. :) The email FREQ feature is really cool... and within that feature, there's even more cool features. Internet Rex is US$25 to register (for up to 50 nodes). It's the only shareware program that I've registered to date and since I've been running it for well over a year (maybe close to a year now), I can honestly say it's worth every single penny. LA> Are you running Adept? LA> ... Nope. I run Maximus/2 v3.01 and very happy with it. Adept was too unstable for my tastes (again, that's just my opinion). Never tried PCBoard. I have heard that Gary Price (the new author of TriBBS) is dropping support for DOS completely and moving the entire TriBBS line of programs to Windows. Later, Sean . o O ( Happy holidays from the staff at AfterHours/2 BBS! ) --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: a .. f .. t .. e .. r .. h .. o .. u .. r .. s .. 2 (1:395/610) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 20-Nov-99 11:32:13 To: All 20-Nov-99 08:40:00 Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS Hi > I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7. > Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a > Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how > to remedy this error? I've now had another one of these Fatal Error boxes "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting" when trying to run the install for Java 1.1.8 (thinking that an upgrade might solve the problem). So it seems unlikely that it's a Netscape specific problem and more likely to be a Java problem. Here is the relevant part of my config.sys file as it applies to JAVA and NETSCAPE. I've edited out all the other lines as well as all the non-Java and non-Netscape references from the lines (for brevity). If there is anything missing or looking odd, I'd like to know. LIBPATH=d:\JAVA11\DLL;d:\inet\client\browser\netscape\PROGRAM;d:\NETSCAPE\JAVA1 1;d:\NETSCAPE; SET INCLUDE=d:\JAVA11\INCLUDE;d:\JAVA11\INCLUDE\OS2; SET LIB=d:\JAVA11\LIB; SET PATH=d:\inet\client\browser\netscape\PROGRAM;d:\NETSCAPE;d:\JAVA11\BIN; SET CLASSPATH=d:\inet\client\browser\netscape\program\java\classes\jil3240.zip; d:\inet\client\browser\netscape\program\java\classes\sys3240.zip;d:\NETSCAPE\ JAVA11\JEMPCL10.ZIP;d:\NETSCAPE\njclass.zip;.\.; I have a regular Java install on d:\JAVA11, a regular Netscape 2.02 install on d:\NETSCAPE, and a regular Communicator install on d:\inet\client\browser\netscape Communicator 4.04 was working until suddenly I got the above error, so I guess something must have been changed/overwritten/deleted. Netscape 2.02 still appears to be working, and at least 1 other Java application also appears to be working normally. Is there anything missing/weird about my config.sys statements? I'd like to be running Communicator 4.04 as my main browser and eventually remove Netscape 2.02 after I'm satisfied with 4.04. Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter French 20-Nov-99 00:00:00 To: Herbert Rosenau 20-Nov-99 00:00:00 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... On 1999/11/16, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Dave Davidson on message number 683; Hello Herbert, HR> DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available HR> DD> drives, how can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE HR> DD> A not ready, simply because there isn't a disk in the drive? HR> HR> Insert a disk, open the drive, close it and then remove the HR> disk. Make a shutdown. After reboot the WPS knows that HR> nothing is in the drive. This just might work for the A: drive, but it doesn't work here for a ZIP and the CDRom. I know there is a trick for this and went serfing to find it. BUT no joy. I used to have my Warp4 client completely quiet but with a new installation of WfeB I'm afraid the change has disappeared. I've tried, SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C SET AUTOFAIL=YES SET AUTOREFRESHFOLDERS=NO Looked around the BIOS setup, looked in the disk, system and desktop object(s) for something that would "do the job", read Warp Unleashed from cover to cover, hauled out all the IBM Certification Handbooks - to no avail. It has me stumped. I KNOW there is a tip for making the drives quiet if there is no media in them and you fire up something like PMSEEK, but for the life of me it escapes.... This I've got to find - but is there someone out there that can put me out of my misery? ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Sometimes I wake up grumpy - other times I let him sleep. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Wes Newell 20-Nov-99 07:58:12 To: Stewart Buckingham 20-Nov-99 15:43:20 Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS > Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how > to remedy this error? SB> Is there anything missing/weird about my config.sys SB> statements? I'd like to be running Communicator 4.04 as SB> my main browser and eventually remove Netscape 2.02 SB> after I'm satisfied with 4.04. Have you tried to create a new user for Netscape? Couldn't find an os2pref.js file on my 4.6 system, but did find a pref*.js for each account name under the Netscape users dir. Perhaps your file got corrupt. Go to netscape folder and create another user and try again. Don't know if this will help or not, but it's a place to start. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Wylie Connection 128K ISDN-V34+ DS 972-429-7005 (1:124/7028) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 18-Nov-99 08:24:11 To: George White 20-Nov-99 15:43:20 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello George, 15 Nov 99 09:53, George White wrote to Eddy Thilleman: GW> Page 300 in my edition, Warp 3 red, it's in chapter 20 "Special GW> Hardware Considerations". I found that yesterday. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... You can't teach ducks to dance. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 18-Nov-99 08:27:04 To: John Thompson 20-Nov-99 15:43:20 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello John, 16 Nov 99 19:58, John Thompson wrote to Eddy Thilleman: JT> I found it in my copy of Warp Unleashed Deluxe Edition on page 46: JT> I found a little on this problem in the "User's Guide to OS/2 JT> Warp [v3]" in Chapter 19 (Troubleshooting), starting on page 315 JT> in my manual. I found both. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... I am Peg of Borg. Al, I need to be assimilated NOW! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 20-Nov-99 00:25:01 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 20-Nov-99 00:25:01 Subj: Missing Window control.. JP> WH> tell what program would mess up next. JP> JP> A one-line script: JP> JP> attrib /s /a:d -a c:\* JP> I don't understand the switch "a:d -a" or is this 4OS2? - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 18-Nov-99 18:25:27 To: MIKE RUSKAI 20-Nov-99 20:10:06 Subj: Dos C drive Hi MIKE! Thus quoth MIKE RUSKAI to LINDA PROULX: MR> There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a MR> word used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact MR> happening when you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No MR> changes to the partition are made. Nothing is written to disk. Not true. With Bootmanager installed, each partition *has* a status. For logical drives it is stored in the partition table sector at offset 18Ah. Bit 2 is the 'installable' state. bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 20-Nov-99 09:28:25 To: Sean Dennis 20-Nov-99 20:10:06 Subj: SIO/VModem FAQ? Sean Dennis, 19-Nov-99 09:12:58, Sean Dennis wrote to Lee Aroner SD> -=> Replying to a message of Lee Aroner to Sean Dennis: Subject: SIO/VModem FAQ? LA>> Are you running Adept? > Adept SD> Nope. I run Maximus/2 v3.01 and very happy with it. Adept was SD> too unstable for my tastes (again, that's just my opinion). There definitely were some unstable versions of Adept. But most of us who actively used Adept knew which versions worked. Adept has been working full time for about 8 years here and I have never had to re-install, nor had any major problem, nor any lost msgs, nor lost files, nor lost users, nor lost configs, nor any other reason to complain about stability. I can't remember if Adept ever crashed, I doubt it. In my experience Adept is the most solid prgm I have ever used. Sure Adept has a few bugs, but nothing so serious that a work-around can not be used. The major problem with new Adept SysOps is their effort to force Adept to accept the kludges common to other BBSs like MAX. What version and what specifically did you find "unstable" about Adept? Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 20-Nov-99 01:55:09 To: Ron Nicholls 20-Nov-99 20:27:18 Subj: Re: Get Going -=> On 19 Nov 99 00:00:02, Ron Nicholls wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP> Haven't learned it yet. Honest. And Warp feels very natural to LP> me. Just a few mouse habits from 3.1 to unlearn, but no problem with LP> it. RN> Whoa ! That brings back memories. The two button drive fascinated me RN> for some time. RN> In fact recently I reinstalled DOS/WIN3 ( for a laugh - cries of RN> "UNKIND" ) and kept hitting the right mouse button all the time. :-) RN> Could NOT unlearn OS2 That's why I have the IBM EWS Workplace Shell for Windows on my son's Win3.1 machine. It's a good, though not complete, workalike to OS/2's WPS. I used it as a Program Manager replacement for a couple of years, until I installed Warp. I think that's one reason why my transition went so well. Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.32 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 19:07:00 To: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 19:07:00 Subj: Ispell ? Peter Knapper wrote to Will Honea on 11-20-1999 PK> Hi Will, PK> PK> PK> WH> attrib /s /a:d -a c:\* PK> PK> WH> Try that on your drives and see if it revives PK> WH> the program. Long shot but... PK> PK> I am runing W4 FP9 here and the online help and attrib /? PK> dont show the /a:d or -a options. Are these undocumented or PK> a result of a later fixpak?....pk. FP11 fixed the directory attributes to reflect the true archive status where before it was ignored (especially by programmers too lazy or indifferent to do it right). As a result a lot of programs couldn't see directories with the archive bit set. Hmmm.... attrib /? shows the +- A +R or -R Sets or cancels the read-only attribute. +S or -S Sets or cancels the system file attribute. +H or -H Sets or cancels the hidden file attribute. +A or -A Sets or cancels the archive file attribute. drive:\path Specifies the drive and directory. filename Specifies the file you want to change. /S Processes all subdirectories. And dir /? shows the /a:? syntax but I don't see where it merges. Gotta look. Anyway, with FP9 this is all academic. Any chance you're hitting one of the oddball >2.1gb drive problems with Ispell? BTW, a lot of your posts have been coming through in duplicate lately. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ian Moote 20-Nov-99 18:12:00 To: HERBERT ROSENAU 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: Clunker update HR> Since WARP4 (WARP 3 Fixpack 10) there will be a timer that wakes up HR> the PM if - and only if you hit Strg+Esc. Then this timer will check HR> the system message queue for forthgoing messages. Fi in an given HR> time no message is released the blocking thread is (temporary) HR> removed from the receiver list and the message flow goes on. I found your post very interesting and informative. Thanks. What's "Strg" supposed to be? Do you mean the System Request (SysReq) key? Take care and TTYL. --- þþ U.S. Congress: 536 reasons for term limits. --- AdeptXBBS v1.11y (FREEWare/2) * Origin: Moote Pointe (1:2424/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ian Moote 20-Nov-99 18:12:00 To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error MR> SB> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java MR> SB> 1.1.7. Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to MR> SB> load with a Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. MR> SB> Exiting". Any ideas how to remedy this error? MR> MR> The only time I've seen this problem is when Netscape doesn't know MR> where it's located. It determines that from an INI entry in the MR> OS2.INI file, which won't be there if you go back to an archive from MR> before Netscape was installed, or re-install OS/2. MR> MR> If that's your problem, the following should solve it for you: I've had considerable trouble with Netscape nuking my prefs.js file (as well as my bookmarks.htm file!). I keep a back of prefs.js to make re- editing a little easier. I would first try renaming your prefs.js to "prefs.screwed.up" and see if Netscape recreates it. Good luck and TTYL. --- þþ Unauthorized amphibians will be toad. --- AdeptXBBS v1.11y (FREEWare/2) * Origin: Moote Pointe (1:2424/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ian Moote 20-Nov-99 18:12:00 To: LINDA PROULX 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: file /query Hi, Linda. JP> I'm giving [him] the benefit of the doubt [...] until I see his JP> rationale. I've been sitting on the sidelines on this for some time and I really have to commend your tolerance and patience. [:) However, if your friend has even a double-digit IQ he should be able to see that he'll be wasting his valuable time attempting to justify himself in here. Nor should anyone expect him to. The fact that he's even being _asked_ to should be raising warning flags with him. [;) Besides, multiple primary DOS partitions are invisible to each other! This is a fact that is well-known by everybody -- except by you and your friend and I and anyone else whose actually _done_ it rather than spending our time reading "various FAQs, FGAs, HOW-TOs, and messages [...] on the subject over the years". [;) Personally, other than OS/2's shortcoming in this regard, I've yet to see a truly valid reason _not_ to use multiple primary partitions on a single drive. Take care of yourself, Linda, and TTYL. --- þþ Undocumented Opcode: EOB -- Execute Operator and Branch --- AdeptXBBS v1.11y (FREEWare/2) * Origin: Moote Pointe (1:2424/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 17:33:00 To: All 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: Re: Another leaky fixpak? From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360 From: Jack Pfisterer JP > Suggestions would be appreciated. (BTW, I've already installed JP > pmmerge.dll from pmr00052. I think it improved things a bit; but Where I can find it? I have occasional errors on pmmerge.dll with Acrobat Reader for OS/2, so new one might help me? Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska. --- * JABBER v1.1 * JABBER the no meat, no oil QWK reader --- FIDOGATE 4.3.5 * Origin: fido.org.yu domain gateway (2:382/5.0) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 17:33:00 To: All 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: Re: Network From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360 From: John Thompson JT > LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed th JT > LP> minimum date is somewhere in 1990. JT > JT > Do you see the "SYS2025" or "SYS2027" errors when you boot from JT > the install diskettes or try to install? Happened to me here (MSI-5169, AMI BIOS v2.3), until I flashed it with new BIOS v3.2. Never had it since... Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska. --- * JABBER v1.1 * Beam me up Scotty. --- FIDOGATE 4.3.5 * Origin: fido.org.yu domain gateway (2:382/5.0) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 17:33:00 To: All 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: Re: Epson print problem From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360 From: Steve McCrystal SM > SP> BTW, there is some Epson driver on IBM site under SM > SP> os2/ddpak/epomni.exe SM > SM > SP> Is it worth trying? SM > SM > In a word, yes! For one thing, it is more current than the Epson Germany SM > release, and more likely to support your printer. It's not a given, but it SM > worth a try. Well, I went to epson.de, and there it was, epomni.exe, I started download (some 2.5 MB), and while it was coming, I clicked on html with the description. To my surprise, no mention of Epson Stylus Color 400, just 600 and above. And then I saw newer version of the same driver that I had problem with, EPSON1020.EXE was the name of the file. (My version was 1011). Decided to go for it (some 4.5MB file), and downloaded it. Installed it, and it was working without any problems. Go figure. It was even mentioned in readme that it might not work with codepage 852 (in fact with any other than 850 or 437), but it did. Finaly, I have printer under OS/2. :-) Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska. --- * JABBER v1.1 * Babble Underground - 707 575 0636 - Home of COMMOPNS --- FIDOGATE 4.3.5 * Origin: fido.org.yu domain gateway (2:382/5.0) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 17:33:00 To: All 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: Re: NumLock From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360 From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard SP> Since I just came in, would you mind to post filename again, if it is JD > SP> about a program that will set numlock ON for all OS/2 sessions? JD > JD > Why can you not set your echo pointers back and read the preceding message Well, having in mind part of text that goes after this, you do have short fuse, don't you? :-) JD > This isn't Usenet where there is so much "noise" message traffic that all b JD > the very largest sites are forced by the sheer volume to expire newsgroups JD > every 2 or 3 days. In Fidonet, nodes tend to keep messages for weeks, if n In a way, from my point of view, it is Usenet (it IS Fido, obviously). Actually, I get OS/2 conferences in a way of UUCP/USENET format. JD > months, before expiring them. Jack's original message in this thread is da JD > a mere 7 days ago and is almost certainly still in your local bossnode's JD > messagebase. The problem is, that, being a Sysop of this local BBS, I have asked a friend in Belgrade to start OS/2 conefernces feed to the BBS, which started just day before the message about Numlock which I saw appeared. So, there wasn't a way to anticipate what I'm going to get when it is about messages, and moreover, no (easy) way to "reset pointers" or do something like that in UUCP way of exchange between PCBoard and Unix system. JD > you link to them -- '&' instead of '+' for some robots -- so that you don't JD > into this situation in the first place. You can also use the standard %RES JD > directive. Send %HELP to your bossnode's area fixing robot for details.) See above about how the mail goes in and out of this BBS, and you'll see that none of that is applicable. Anyhow, nobody opened fire on me like you did since 1995. Though, at that time it was live ammo. :-)) JD > As for numlock, there are three ways of going about things: JD > JD > 1. If you have a recent OS/2 Warp 4 fixpack, first try the /NUMON JD > command-line option to IBMKBD.SYS. FP9 here, tried, no success. JD > 2. If you use JP Software's 4OS2 and Take Command for OS/2 command JD > interpreters, put JD > JD > if %_shell% EQ 0 .and. %_ptype% EQ FS keybd /n1 JD > JD > in your 4START.BTM, and create a TCOS2 program object in your deskt JD > Startup folder that has "/c keybd /n1" in the parameters field. Somehow, I wouldn't like to switch to 4OS2 just because of Numlock problem. JD > 3. If both of the above do not apply, download one of the many nat JD > OS/2 command-line utilities that can change the keyboard lock state, such a JD > for example, KEYLOCKS.EXE from the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 1.0 JD > (OS2CLU01.ZIP/OS2CLU01.ARJ on any good files site). I'll try that, thanks. Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska. --- * JABBER v1.1 * GODISNOWHERE --- FIDOGATE 4.3.5 * Origin: fido.org.yu domain gateway (2:382/5.0) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 19-Nov-99 22:13:00 To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to Mike Ruskai on 11-19-99 19:00 about Communicator Fatal Error... > Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to All > on 11-13-99 05:22 about Communicator Fatal Error... >> Hi, >> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7. >> Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a >> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how >> to remedy this error? > The only time I've seen this problem is when Netscape doesn't know where > it's located. It determines that from an INI entry in the OS2.INI file, > which won't be there if you go back to an archive from before Netscape was > installed, or re-install OS/2. > If that's your problem, the following should solve it for you: > /* Create Netscape entry in OS2.INI */ SB> I used the utility called Service Center to view what software is SB> registered in my INI file and it lists a copy of Netscape. Maybe that SB> is pointing to the older Netscape V2.02 which I still have on disk too? SB> How do I tell? The strange thing is I've been using V4.04 without any SB> known problems up until the point I started receiving this error SB> message. Run the REXX program I sent with the correct directory. If the entry already exists, it won't matter. If it doesn't, then it'll be added. The INI format allows for application, key, and value. The application is "Netscape", but there are three possible keys - "2.02", "4.0", and "4.6". The key value is the full path to the base Netscape directory. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Are there any lawyers here? Any more? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 19-Nov-99 22:15:00 To: LINDA PROULX 20-Nov-99 23:27:09 Subj: Re: fdisk /query Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai on 11-18-99 12:33 about Re: fdisk /query... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD <=- LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP>> LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP>> **BIOS: 504MB MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024 MR> cylinders. LP> In what way? I have stuff on all the drives/partitions & use them. How? What version BIOS do you have? Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Life is like MS Windows... you never know what you're gonna get. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 20-Nov-99 19:07:00 To: Peter Knapper 20-Nov-99 19:07:00 Subj: Ispell ? Peter Knapper wrote to Will Honea on 11-20-1999 PK> Hi Will, PK> PK> PK> WH> attrib /s /a:d -a c:\* PK> PK> WH> Try that on your drives and see if it revives PK> WH> the program. Long shot but... PK> PK> I am runing W4 FP9 here and the online help and attrib /? PK> dont show the /a:d or -a options. Are these undocumented or PK> a result of a later fixpak?....pk. FP11 fixed the directory attributes to reflect the true archive status where before it was ignored (especially by programmers too lazy or indifferent to do it right). As a result a lot of programs couldn't see directories with the archive bit set. Hmmm.... attrib /? shows the +- A +R or -R Sets or cancels the read-only attribute. +S or -S Sets or cancels the system file attribute. +H or -H Sets or cancels the hidden file attribute. +A or -A Sets or cancels the archive file attribute. drive:\path Specifies the drive and directory. filename Specifies the file you want to change. /S Processes all subdirectories. And dir /? shows the /a:? syntax but I don't see where it merges. Gotta look. Anyway, with FP9 this is all academic. Any chance you're hitting one of the oddball >2.1gb drive problems with Ispell? BTW, a lot of your posts have been coming through in duplicate lately. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 18-Nov-99 10:49:29 To: Will Honea 21-Nov-99 06:12:05 Subj: Re: Network Hi Will, On 15-Nov-99, Will Honea wrote to George White: WH> George White wrote to Peter Knapper on 11-11-1999 GW>> page 300 there is a section on AMI BIOS. Page 301, General Rules: GW>> "If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should GW>> be 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including GW>> DOS. Special timing requirements of IDE drives were accomodated GW>> on the date noted. WH> George, you miss a very large point here: if the BIOS will support WH> the IDE drive enough to get far enough into the boot to load WH> IBM1S506.ADD it doesn't matter WHAT the BIOS timings are - they WH> are totally irrelevant from that point on. Hence the advice: boot WH> the system and try it. If you can install, press on and don't WH> look back. I've _not_ missed the point at all, you've cut the critical sentence in Peter Knapper's post that I was responding to. He said:- PK> I have never seen any statement that suggests "Your BIOS must be PK> dated after xxx to load/run OS/2", so I will repeat the above PK> question - What date is your BIOS So I replied with the quote from the Warp Connect Users Guide (above) which _does_ suggest that the BIOS must be after a certain date. I agree with all you say, but IBM are covering their backsides by saying any AMI BIOS prior to that date should not be used. As usual in the real world it's a YMMV situation, so it's worth trying as quite possibly it isn't an issue at all (and doesn't appear to be for Linda). George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 20-Nov-99 17:38:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 21-Nov-99 06:57:07 Subj: AMI BIOS date In a message dated 11-17-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm: Hi Eddy, ET>> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have ET>> a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell ET>> where I can find it in this book if it's in there. ET>In the "Summary of Contents" I read on page xi: SEE, I told you so ;-) My manual ET>Chapter 20. Special Hardware Considerations . . . . 299 315 ET>........ ET>Using Phoenix, AMI, or Micronics BIOS . . . . . . . 300 317 ET> Phoenix BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300 317 ET> AMI BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300 317 ET>...etc... ET>The back of my copy of the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp" (about Warp 3 ET>ofcourse) says "Printed in Denmark by Scanprint as, Viby J." so the ET>page numbers in your copy should be the same as in my copy. No, as you see above, they aren't. My manual is missing the ,Viby J. from the above text, instead it says below it: Certified Quality System DS/ISO 9002 Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * OS/2 WARP: the medicine for a disease called WINDOWS. --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: SINISA PAVLOVIC 20-Nov-99 23:35:00 To: All 21-Nov-99 06:57:07 Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions..... From: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Reply-To: sinip@hamhq.yfnet.org.yu (SINISA PAVLOVIC) Organization: HAM HQ BBS, Doboj, RS, 074/24-360 -=> Quoting Mike Roark to All <=- DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives, DD> how DD> can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready, DD> simply DD> because there isn't a disk in the drive? MR> Doesn't happen here.. Not sure what the problem is. It happens here as well. Sometimes, sometimes doesn't. Visit: http://www.targetshop.com/users/level1.asp?refId=349351 Regards from Doboj, Republic of Srpska. mail to: 4n4da@qsl.net ... Oxymoron: negative momentum ___ Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 --- FIDOGATE 4.3.5 * Origin: fido.org.yu domain gateway (2:382/5.0) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 21-Nov-99 22:16:21 To: Will Honea 21-Nov-99 11:34:19 Subj: Ispell ? Hi Will, WH> And dir /? shows the /a:? syntax but I don't see where it merges. FP9 doesn't show /a:? at all for DIR or ATTRIB so it looks like it may have been added later... WH> Gotta look. Anyway, with FP9 this is all academic. Any chance you're WH> hitting one of the oddball >2.1gb drive problems with Ispell? Sorry, I'm not the one using Ispell, and all my partitions are less than 2Gb.....;-) WH> BTW, a lot of your posts have been coming through in duplicate lately. I feed direct back to Zone 1 and that site definately lets me know if it receives dups from me. It hasn't complained at me in months so any DUP issue is unlikely to be originating from around here. Cheers.........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: === NZCC Maxie BBS. Ak, NZ +64 9 444-0989 === (3:772/1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bat Lang 20-Nov-99 23:45:15 To: Ron Nicholls 21-Nov-99 11:34:19 Subj: Ftp -=> Quoting Ron Nicholls to All, [19 Nov 99 00:00:00] <=- RN> Using FTP-PM RN> Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com' RN> recently. I get a strangely broken up root list RN> with no access to any dir even with full RN> drwx permission. RN> Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered RN> if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub . RN> Other sites behave normaly, very strange. RN> This started when I went looking for java 118 RN> having seen fixes for same but informed by RN> soft ware choice that it is not released yet. I presume you are savvy that the 118 files at hursley are useable ONLY if you already have installed an earlier 118? Here's from the readme @ ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118 /***************************************************************************/ /* Java for OS/2 service update version JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19991026 */ /* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- */ /***************************************************************************/ /* IMPORTANT: If your current JDK level is not 1.1.8 then ... */ /* */ /* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< */ /* >>> DO NOT INSTALL THIS SERVICE ON TOP OF YOUR EXISTING SYSTEM <<< */ /* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< */ /* */ /* This service is intended only for installation on systems where */ /* JDK 1.1.8 is already installed. This is because the 1.1.8 installation */ /* process updates your OS/2 operating system for JDK 1.1.8, adds the */ /* ICS debugger, and has support for multiple languages. */ /* */ /* If you are NOT currently running JDK 1.1.8 then you should download */ /* the 1.1.8 JDK code (and the latest feature installer if you do not */ /* have it) from //http:/service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog */ /* */ /***************************************************************************/ /* APARS FIXED */ /* ----------- */ /* For a list of APARS fixed in this service update please see the */ /* fixes.lst file in the java11 installation directory. */ /***************************************************************************/ Self extract zip files available -------------------------------- runtime.exe - Runtime files which are always required. toolkit.exe - Toolkit required to develop java programs. samples.exe - Sample java programs. os2jre.exe - Java Runtime Environment if required. rmi-iiop-toolkit.exe - Remote Method Invocation - Internet Inter Orb Protocol if required. Installation of the JDK ----------------------- 1/ Back up your existing JAVA11 directory and sub directories. 2/ Make sure you are using the binary ftp option. 3/ Download runtime.exe, toolkit.exe and samples.exe 4/ Stop any JVMs that are currently using files in the java11 directory tree. 5/ From the root directory of the drive where Java is installed run each of the three downloaded EXE files in turn. NOTE: These zip files should be installed OVER your existing installation directory tree, not into an empty directory. 6/ Type java -fullversion to verify that you are now running the updated level of Java. ---------------< cut here >- Good Modeming! /\oo/\ ... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: Bat.Lang@92.ima.infomail.com --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Rendezvous!! 8gigs_20000files_500echoareas 512-303-1324 (1:382/92) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 21-Nov-99 09:53:19 To: Wes Newell 21-Nov-99 11:34:19 Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS Hi Wes, >> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how >> to remedy this error? >> Is there anything missing/weird about my config.sys >> statements? I'd like to be running Communicator 4.04 as >> my main browser and eventually remove Netscape 2.02 >> after I'm satisfied with 4.04. > Have you tried to create a new user for Netscape? Couldn't find an os2pref.js >file on my 4.6 system, but did find a pref*.js for each account name under the > Netscape users dir. Perhaps your file got corrupt. Go to netscape folder and > create another user and try again. Don't know if this will help or not, but > it's a place to start. Thanks for your input. The problem is Netscape won't even load. Neither will the Java 1.1.8 Install. Both programs give me this same error message. Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rachel Veraa 20-Nov-99 12:48:10 To: Roy J. Tellason 21-Nov-99 11:34:19 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? In a message to Rachel Veraa, Roy J. Tellason wrote: RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long RV> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files? RJT> Are you talking about going between machines, or what? Seems to RJT> me that if so, using ftp would be one way to do it. Between partitions on the same machine. I've got a 1 Gig FAT partition with Win95 on it -- the rest of my system is on either HPFS or EXT2 partitions which are invisible to Win. Now, the only thing I use Windows for (because I don't have equivalent OS/2 programs) are processing sound files (with GoldWave) and converting ra files to wav (with RA2WAV). Everything else is done on HPFS partitions under OS/2. So I download, let's say, an RA file with a long filename on an HPFS directory (if I downloaded to the FAT C: drive, I'd lose the filename). But ra is a PITA to play on OS/2, so I have to copy it to C: (with an 8x3 filename), reboot to win95, convert to *.wav reboot to Warp, and move the file back to my HPFS WAV archive, renaming back to the original long filename (if I can remember it) to play with twavep. _ Then_ if I want to edit or modify the file, I have to go through the whole same rigamarole to edit it on the C: drive with Gwave, and put it back on HPFS, where I can convert to MP3 and burn onto a CD if it turns out to be worth keeping. Moving back and forth between FAT and HPFS (and rebooting) is PITA enough, but all this shifting between long and 8x3 filenames is really a tedious business. As I understand it, the Win95 long filename is just stored as an 8x3 DOS abbreviation, with the long name kept in a file someplace, to be reassembled. Only I don't know how this is done. But for someone who knows programming, it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to read the long name of an HPFS file, and copy it to a FAT partition with the filename truncated at 6 bytes plus a tilde and id number, and add the complete filesname to wherever Win95 keeps them -- and vice versa.. So I was hoping someone would've done that by now. N'a pale pi ta, Rachel http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/ * Origin: Birdsoft - North Miami (1:135/907) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jerry Nichols 20-Nov-99 23:11:27 To: Linda Proulx 21-Nov-99 14:18:18 Subj: Re: Get Going Hi Linda Proulx, LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> Just discovered a mess of new printers are Win9X only. P.O.ed me all LP> to..... And in order to get anything comperable would have to pay LP> $800.00 for Warp use. Sheesh. http://www.buy.com/surplus/product.asp?sku=70000013 How's $220 no shippiing till after first year? Later, Jerry Nichols jnichols@tcia.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.44) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rich Wonneberger 21-Nov-99 10:29:15 To: Peter Knapper 21-Nov-99 14:18:18 Subj: Dupe messages *** Quoting Peter Knapper to Will Honea dated 11-21-99 *** > WH> BTW, a lot of your posts have been coming through in duplicate > lately. > > I feed direct back to Zone 1 and that site definately lets me know if > it receives dups from me. It hasn't complained at me in months so any > DUP issue is unlikely to be originating from around here. Peter, I've noticed a few here also. They have different message id's so they look like different messages. Rich I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net ... What World Are You On? I'd Like To Visit Sometime. --- * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914 783-2106 (1:2625/50) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Wes Newell 21-Nov-99 08:26:06 To: Stewart Buckingham 21-Nov-99 14:18:18 Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS > create another user and try again. Don't know if this > will help or not, but > it's a place to start. SB> Thanks for your input. The problem is Netscape won't SB> even load. Neither will the Java 1.1.8 Install. Both SB> programs give me this same error message. Did you try and run the User Profile Manager in the netscape folder? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Wylie Connection 128K ISDN-V34+ DS 972-429-7005 (1:124/7028) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 21-Nov-99 17:16:18 To: MIKE RUSKAI 21-Nov-99 14:18:18 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error Hi Mike, >> I used the utility called Service Center to view what software is >> registered in my INI file and it lists a copy of Netscape. Maybe that >> is pointing to the older Netscape V2.02 which I still have on disk too? >> How do I tell? The strange thing is I've been using V4.04 without any >> known problems up until the point I started receiving this error >> message. > Run the REXX program I sent with the correct directory. If the entry > already exists, it won't matter. If it doesn't, then it'll be added. I run the REXX script. It gave me a message that "Netscape INI entry successfully added". It didn't help though. I still get the error message.. "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting" when Communicator is loading. I get the same message (as you would have seen from a later message) when trying to load Java 1.1.8 Install.exe. Does that provide any additional clues? Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Zdravko Blagdan 17-Nov-99 03:35:23 To: Will Honea 21-Nov-99 14:18:18 Subj: Re: OS/2 3 fixpack -=> Will Honea wrote to Zdravko Blagdan <=- WH> FP40 is the last fixpak that will apply to Warp 3 unless you have a WH> support contract from IBM and get special versions of the later fixpaks WH> from IBM support (expen$ive!) or cheat and modify syslevel.os2. FP 41 WH> an up are intended for Warp Server 4 ONLY. That said, FP40 has device WH> driver updates and is rock solid. I would suggest that as the one and WH> only you need to apply. Thanks. I did heard some rumours about that. It's strange (but not for IBM). Blagi --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.32 * Origin: Alt::BBS -=- Split, Croatia -=- +385 21 320 444 (2:381/100) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jeffrey J. Counsil 20-Nov-99 11:13:08 To: Stephen Haffly 21-Nov-99 21:30:15 Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions..... On Stardate 16 Nov 99 12:02:15, Stephen Haffly Communicated the Following To Will Honea, Regarding More OS/2 Questions........ SH> How come I can't seem to get the motherboard com ports working with OS/2 SH> Warp 4? I always have to disable them and put in a serial card. SH> Meanwhile, DOS and the dominant OS seem to see and work with them just SH> fine. SH> SH> This has been the case with more than one motherboard, anything from a SH> 486VIP to my current VA-503+. Is there a secret that I don't know SH> about? I don't know, but they work fine with my FIC VA503+ w/ AMD K6-400... --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Way Out There!...The StarPort 1-717-753-8120 (1:268/402) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Roy J. Tellason 21-Nov-99 11:34:28 To: Rachel Veraa 21-Nov-99 21:30:15 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? Rachel Veraa wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason: RV> As I understand it, the Win95 long filename is just stored as RV> an 8x3 DOS abbreviation, with the long name kept in a file RV> someplace, to be reassembled. Only I don't know how this is RV> done. But for someone who knows programming, it seems like it RV> wouldn't be too hard to read the long name of an HPFS file, and RV> copy it to a FAT partition with the filename truncated at 6 RV> bytes plus a tilde and id number, and add the complete RV> filesname to wherever Win95 keeps them -- and vice versa.. RV> So I was hoping someone would've done that by now. I see what you're trying to do there, and don't have an answer for you offhand. I will be looking with some interest to see what others may have to say on the subject. RV> N'a pale pi ta, RV> Rachel What does that mean? --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-838-8539 (1:270/615) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 20-Nov-99 18:38:00 To: DANIELA ENGERT 21-Nov-99 21:30:15 Subj: Dos C drive Some senseless babbling from Daniela Engert to Mike Ruskai on 11-18-99 18:25 about Dos C drive... DE> Hi MIKE! DE> Thus quoth MIKE RUSKAI to LINDA PROULX: MR> There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a MR> word used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact MR> happening when you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No MR> changes to the partition are made. Nothing is written to disk. DE> Not true. With Bootmanager installed, each partition *has* a status. DE> For logical drives it is stored in the partition table sector at offset DE> 18Ah. Bit 2 is the 'installable' state. I tested this when I wrote the FDISK wrapper, to see what parameters were being passed. I dumped the partition table sector before running FDISK /SI:FS, setting a partition installable, and exiting. Then I dumped the partition table sector afterwards. Not a single bit was changed. I just confirmed my original test. The byte at 0x18A is 0x01 before and after. The only indication FDISK gave for which drive was set installable was the exit code. However, when I set a partition installable that wasn't already bootable, and adding it to BM's menu during the process, the byte at 0x18A does acquire a value of 0x05. However, with the same partition, setting it bootable first, then installable leaves 0x18A at 0x01. So, while that bit might be the designed way of indicating an installable partition, it isn't used in practice. OS/2 installs without incidident on drives already set bootable, which don't have that bit modified at all. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Cats are not pets; they own the house and let you live there. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 20-Nov-99 08:41:25 To: Murray Lesser 22-Nov-99 00:11:17 Subj: Small programs Murray Lesser wrote in a message to John Angelico: JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was >that program I wrote way back when...." ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function" ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file ML> is 619 bytes. I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 21-Nov-99 08:46:00 To: Linda Proulx 21-Nov-99 08:46:00 Subj: Install (Excerpts from a message dated 11-18-99, John Angelico to Linda Proulx) Hi Linda, JA>I agree with everything but this one: LA> LA> > FCBS=16,8 LA> Set this to "8,4" LA> JA>Since this is for MS-PC-DOS v1.x support ONLY, I suggest that you >make it "2,2" which is the minimum possible. Nonsense. Programmers of old DOS programs used FCBs long after DOS 1.x came out, even though the documentation told them not to (who reads the docs?). What to set FCBS= depends on which DOS programs you are running, not what version of DOS they were written under (something you have no way of knowing unless you wrote them ). Besides, an FCB uses about 36 bytes, so deleting some of them saves so little memory space that it isn't worth the effort! Such nonsense is DOS-think at its worst. I left my CONFIG.SYS entry at the default 16,8. There is another piece of OS/2 conventional wisdom floating around (based on the same DOS-think) that says to severely cut the default value in BUFFERS=90. IIRC, each "buffer" uses 518 bytes, so the default 90 of them uses less than 46 KB. The IBM Warp 3 performance white paper (WARPPERF.ASC) says: BUFFERS=90 Buffers are physical memory used to support partial sector reads and writes in a FAT file system environment. They are also used to cache FAT directory entries and for swap file disk I/O. Because BUFFERS are used to cache FAT directory entries, this number should not be reduced below 60, unless you are not using the FAT file system on your disks. Reducing this number will increase the number of disk reads that are done to the FAT directory entries and therefore slow down your system. You have to remember that you have much more "conventional memory" available under a VDM than you ever had under "real" DOS, and the rules of thumb learned under many years of using DOS may no longer be applicable. Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * BASIC programmers never die, they just GOSUB and never RETURN. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 21-Nov-99 09:48:01 To: John Angelico 21-Nov-99 09:48:01 Subj: Installation problem (Excerpts from a message dated 11-18-99, John Angelico to Jack Stein) JA>On 15/11/1999, Jack Stein said to Linda Proulx about Installation >problem: JS> JS> That was a bug in WARP 3 that was there for one day, on the JS> day of it's intial release. You could not buy, or it was JS> difficult to find a copy of that, as they pulled it and JS> fixed that on the first day. JS>Don't believe everything you read in Unleashed. JS> JA>Oh, no! Jack - you have just introduced a bug into Linda's mental >source code - and she's going to have to look at EVERYTHING in >Unleashed with a jaundiced eye... Actually, she should look at any documentation with a jaundiced eye, and check it out by experiment if it doesn't smell right. But she will need much more experience under OS/2 than she has now, before she will feel comfortable doing so. However, the "OS/2 Unleashed" books are rather unusual for third-party texts. It appears that the authors actually tried most of the things they say rather than merely copying them out of the vendor's documentation. However, they probably used the very earliest copies of OS/2 Warp to work from, which may be why Jack found this error. So, she is probably safe accepting their word unless Jack tells her not to :-). Of course, I disagree with many of the "recommendations" made in "Unleashed," but I have been playing this game long enough to have prejudices of my own :-). Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * If it can happen, it will (Murphy) --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 21-Nov-99 17:07:08 To: Peter French 22-Nov-99 07:24:19 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... PF> BUT no joy. I used to have my Warp4 client completely quiet but PF> with a new installation of WfeB I'm afraid the change has PF> disappeared. I've tried, PF> SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C PF> SET AUTOFAIL=YES The setup from my Node: AUTOFAIL=YES - without SET! All errorors are true errors SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C - without SET! no popup if error PAUSEONERROR = NO - without SET! don't wait for anything in case of error REIPL=ON - without SET! in unattended mode this will automatically reboot if system traps SET RESTARTOBJECTS=STARTUPFOLDERsONLY - open only views in startup folderS - don't start anything else SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,LAUNCHPAD,WARPCENTER where the WARPCENTER should be omitted if you have low RAM. It my hung the WPS. PF> -!- Maximus/2 2.02 A shadow of the batch should be in startupfolder. So the system restarts alwasy correct. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 181: * Origin: Die Buerde des Menschen ist unantastbar. (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 21-Nov-99 21:43:16 To: Ian Moote 22-Nov-99 07:24:19 Subj: Clunker update IM> I found your post very interesting and informative. Thanks. IM> What's "Strg" supposed to be? Do you mean the System Request IM> (SysReq) key? Oh, Strg is on englich keyboards Ctrl. Tschau/Bye Herbert --- Sqed/32 1.14a/development 66: * Origin: Air-conditioned environment: Do not open windows! (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Roy J. Tellason 22-Nov-99 00:07:07 To: Jack Stein 22-Nov-99 07:24:19 Subj: Small programs Jack Stein wrote in a message to Murray Lesser: JS> Murray Lesser wrote in a message to John Angelico: JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was >that program I wrote way back when...." ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function" ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file ML> is 619 bytes. JS> I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written JS> in ASM by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory. If we're talking about stuff _we wrote_, the all-time winner has to be a clear-screen com file I wrote to run under CP/M for a system that didn't have such a function. It was a whopping 7 bytes long, including an operating system call! --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-838-8539 (1:270/615) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 22-Nov-99 18:52:14 To: Rich Wonneberger 22-Nov-99 07:24:19 Subj: Dupe messages Hi Rich, RW> I've noticed a few here also. They have different RW> message id's so they look like different messages. I dont suppose you have the PATH lines from both of them?.........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 21-Nov-99 15:39:00 To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 22-Nov-99 07:24:19 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to Mike Ruskai on 11-21-99 17:16 about Communicator Fatal Error... SB> Hi Mike, >> I used the utility called Service Center to view what software is >> registered in my INI file and it lists a copy of Netscape. Maybe that >> is pointing to the older Netscape V2.02 which I still have on disk too? >> How do I tell? The strange thing is I've been using V4.04 without any >> known problems up until the point I started receiving this error >> message. > Run the REXX program I sent with the correct directory. If the entry > already exists, it won't matter. If it doesn't, then it'll be added. SB> I run the REXX script. It gave me a message that "Netscape INI entry SB> successfully added". It didn't help though. I still get the error SB> message.. "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting" when Communicator is SB> loading. I get the same message (as you would have seen from a later SB> message) when trying to load Java 1.1.8 Install.exe. Does that provide SB> any additional clues? No, because the Java installation program uses Netscape for the install. Your best bet at this point would be to install Netscape over the old version. If your settings are still there to be preserved, they will be. Otherwise, you'll get a usable os2pref.js file without deleting anything. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Excuse me, miss? Miss!? Sorry, I have a cold. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 22-Nov-99 10:52:00 To: Jack Stein 22-Nov-99 10:52:00 Subj: Small programs (Excerpts from a message dated 11-20-99, Jack Stein to Murray Lesser) Hi Jack-- JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was >that program I wrote way back when...." ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function" ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file ML> is 619 bytes. JS>I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM >by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory. You are comparing apples and oranges. David's DLL lives on the disk in a file containing 619 bytes. If I ask EXEHDR about TELLBOOT.DLL, it tells me that it lives in 46H (70 decimal) bytes of "virtual memory." Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Fidonet is almost like having a social life --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rachel Veraa 21-Nov-99 20:47:05 To: Larry Snider 22-Nov-99 19:44:15 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? In a message to Rachel Veraa, Larry Snider wrote: rv> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long rv> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files LS> Transfer over what kind medium? From one partition to another on the same machine. N'a pale pi ta, Rachel http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/ * Origin: Birdsoft - North Miami (1:135/907) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 22-Nov-99 10:06:02 To: Wes Newell 22-Nov-99 19:44:15 Subj: Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS Hi Wes, >> create another user and try again. Don't know if this >> will help or not, but >> it's a place to start. >> Thanks for your input. The problem is Netscape won't >> even load. Neither will the Java 1.1.8 Install. Both >> programs give me this same error message. > Did you try and run the User Profile Manager in the netscape folder? Nope. Anyhow, I just tried it, but I still get the same error message :( Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 22-Nov-99 22:55:21 To: MIKE RUSKAI 22-Nov-99 19:44:15 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error Hi Mike, > Your best bet at this point would be to install Netscape over the old > version. If your settings are still there to be preserved, they will be. > Otherwise, you'll get a usable os2pref.js file without deleting anything. Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator archive but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has yet admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I would be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which directory it resides. Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Kenneth Abrams 21-Nov-99 17:27:09 To: Linda Proulx 22-Nov-99 19:44:15 Subj: FTP & Telenet Hello Linda, 13 Nov 99 19:33, Linda Proulx wrote to David Randall: DR>> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can DR>> choose to use either or both. LP> But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS? Very easily. Launching a BBS is really a secondary function of a front door program, whose primary purpose is typically exchanging (Fido)mail. Every front door type program I've looked at can be configured as a mail only node. The difference is in the program's response when the calling end *isn't* negotiating a mail exchange. If configured for BBS operation, the front end will usually exit, signalling a separate program, the BBS, to run. If configured for mail only, the front end will just refuse and terminate the non-mail connection and recycle, ready for the next call. Front Door, for example, will exit on an errorlevel, which can then be checked in the batch file driving it to branch to the section that executes the BBS. If configured for mail only, it just refuses the connection and doesn't exit. As for the mail side of things, you just use a mailbase that's not directly a part of a BBS program. Myself, I've usually (and presently) use squish messagebases. The first time I operated as a point, I was using Front Door as a front end (DOS), both with and without a BBS as part of the mix. Played with TriBBS for a little while but never officially set anything up. Original setup was Front Door, Squish, and GoldEd. TriBBS was a temporary thing in the middle of that period, totally separate from the mail system. Presently, I'm operating as a point with neither a front end nor a BBS. Just a messagebase, an editor, and a handful of REXX scripts tying it all together with internet email attachments as a transport. Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net) --- GoldED/2 2.50+ * Origin: Great Mills, Maryland (1:109/921.67) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Kenneth Abrams 21-Nov-99 17:46:19 To: Linda Proulx 22-Nov-99 19:44:15 Subj: SETUP Hello Linda, 13 Nov 99 22:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All: LP> I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff LP> on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work around to LP> do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until On one of the pages during the install, where you select optional components, there's a menu at the top which includes within it an option to set certain software parameters, including the location of the swapfile. Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net) --- GoldED/2 2.50+ * Origin: Great Mills, Maryland (1:109/921.67) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Kenneth Abrams 21-Nov-99 17:56:16 To: Jack Stein 22-Nov-99 19:44:15 Subj: Get Going Hello Jack, 12 Nov 99 22:14, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger: JS> Are you running WARP 4? I was wondering how much disk space that JS> would require? I guess it depends a lot on what all you install, and JS> where your put some of the things. I'm currently running Warp 4, at FP9 level, swapfile at default location, nothing but the os installed to its partition, other than a few minor things like some EPM files added, etc. Currently using 240M of a 300M partition with the swapfile set to 64M. Kenneth (kabrams@us.hsanet.net) --- GoldED/2 2.50+ * Origin: Great Mills, Maryland (1:109/921.67) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Pfisterer 22-Nov-99 08:52:00 To: SINISA PAVLOVIC 22-Nov-99 19:44:15 Subj: Re: Another leaky fixpak? -=> SINISA PAVLOVIC wrote to All <=- JP > Suggestions would be appreciated. (BTW, I've already installed JP > pmmerge.dll from pmr00052. I think it improved things a bit; but SP> Where I can find it? I have occasional errors on pmmerge.dll with SP> Acrobat Reader for OS/2, so new one might help me? Contact Ivan Adzhubei, ivan@protein.bio.msu.su and ask if he still has it available for FTP. That's where I got the copy I installed. I've heard there's an even-newer one out, but haven't been able to locate it. If all else fails, check back with me and I can attach it to an e-mail. The ZIP is a little over one meg in size and also includes a newer keyboard.dcp. Jack P. - jnpf@usa.net ~~~ Blue Wave/QuickBBS * Origin: Hooray For Hollywood * Los Angeles,CA -=- 213-653-7508 (1:102/749) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter French 22-Nov-99 00:00:00 To: Herbert Rosenau 22-Nov-99 00:00:00 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... On 1999/11/21, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Peter French on message number 749; Hi Herbert, HR> HR> PF> SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C HR> PF> SET AUTOFAIL=YES HR> HR> The setup from my Node: HR> HR> AUTOFAIL=YES - without SET! All errorors are true errors HR> SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C - without SET! no popup if error FIXED - how stupid can one be - I spent hours tracing this problem, because I knew my system used to be quiet. Interesting that the system didn't complain about the wrong syntax. Thanks for the help, I hope the original poster "gets the message" ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Old age - is not for sissies --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rich Wonneberger 22-Nov-99 19:45:19 To: Peter Knapper 23-Nov-99 00:16:07 Subj: Dupe messages *** Quoting Peter Knapper to Rich Wonneberger dated 11-22-99 *** > I dont suppose you have the PATH lines from both of them?.........pk. The path and reply info was the same: reply 1:348/807.0 382e35aa path 772/1 270/101 The message was was not: msgid 3:772/1.10 38311ba6 msgid 3:772/1.10 3830fa10 The funny thing, there were 5 messages from you there. 2 dupes (2 topics) and a third topic that did not have a dupe. Looks like it packed the first 2 messages, re-packed them, then packed the third. Rich I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net ... If you're thinking what I am...well then we're psychic! --- * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914 783-2106 (1:2625/50) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Gary Crain 22-Nov-99 17:56:03 To: Stewart Buckingham 23-Nov-99 00:16:07 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error On Nov 22, 1999, at 22:55, Stewart Buckingham of 6:751/222 wrote: Hi Stewart, SB> Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator SB> archive but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has SB> yet admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I SB> would be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which SB> directory it resides. I just checked here (I have 4.04 and 4.61 installed) and there is no such file. I do have a prefs.js in :\netscape\users\gcrain. Here's the file listing for it; prefs.js 8350 11-22-1999 15:55 Gary gcrain@infomail.com --- Msged/2 TE 05 * Origin: Rendezvous!! 4gigs_10000files_500echoareas 512-303-1324 (1:382/92) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 22-Nov-99 20:44:12 To: Jack Pfisterer 23-Nov-99 06:06:09 Subj: Re: Another leaky fixpak? -=> On 22 Nov 99 08:52:00, Jack Pfisterer wrote to SINISA PAVLOVIC <=- SP> Where I can find it? I have occasional errors on pmmerge.dll with SP> Acrobat Reader for OS/2, so new one might help me? JP> Contact Ivan Adzhubei, ivan@protein.bio.msu.su and ask if he still has JP> it available for FTP. That's where I got the copy I installed. I've JP> heard there's an even-newer one out, but haven't been able to locate JP> it. It might've been removed from testcase not long after I snagged it. Haven't had any pmmerge problems, though, so I haven't installed it. JP> If all else fails, check back with me and I can attach it to an e-mail. JP> The ZIP is a little over one meg in size and also includes a newer JP> keyboard.dcp. The newer one is also just over a meg, but has no keyboard.dcp (has the pmmerge.sym, instead). If you want it, drop me a line at my address below. Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.32 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 22-Nov-99 20:30:00 To: Sinisa Pavlovic 23-Nov-99 06:55:08 Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions.. In a message dated 11-20-99, Sinisa Pavlovic said to All: SP>It happens here as well. Sometimes, sometimes doesn't. SP>Visit: http://www.targetshop.com/users/level1.asp?refId=349351 Why?? CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC ___ * MR/2 2.26 * To whom the gods destroy, they first teach Windows... --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Dave Davidson 22-Nov-99 16:25:16 To: All 23-Nov-99 06:55:08 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... I've "just about" got OS/2 setup to the point where it's a usable system however, I have a bunch of questions I've not been able to resolve.... (1) Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way to print a file from FC/2? None of the commands nor pull down menu's indicate that function. For example, if I edit a .CMD file in FC/2 and want to print it out for future reference, is there a way to do it within FC/2? (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4 (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys file that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3). If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an error message on boot up high lighting 03E8. If I leave that out, SIO indicates a PCMCIA modem and says "Nothing Found". I've tried a variety of combinations ie; leaving out the speed, using only abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go. Darn thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS. Any idea as to what I'm doing wrong? (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When deleting a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as well as a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes to delete the OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I could re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's). (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to find an OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS directory, which is in the path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also HPFS) or Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it? (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) of having Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I didn't choose that option as I didn't know what it would do. I'm using Netscape v4.61 and so far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly due to the SIO problems mentioned above. Whew... that outta be enough for now... I'm going to be home all this week, so I would like to get as much of OS/2 setup as possible. I may not have this much time again for quite a while. Thanks.... Have a GREAT one! Dave Davidson dad50@primary.net dad500@aol.com ___Warped in more ways than one! --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at : _Registered_ _User_ : since 03/93! * Origin: A.P.C. * Collinsville, IL * (618) 345-3663 * USR V90 (1:109/921.29) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ian Moote 23-Nov-99 08:03:00 To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 23-Nov-99 12:23:16 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error SB> Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator SB> archive but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has SB> yet admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I SB> would be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which SB> directory it resides. I'm one of the previous respondants. I misread your original post and thought that you were posting about the "prefs.js" file in the users' subdirectories. Just to confirm, I don't have an os2pref.js file on my system. As I suggested, did you try renaming it to see if Netscape would recreate a clean one? Take care and TTYL. --- þþ Unrecoverable User Error: Terminating User... --- AdeptXBBS v1.11y (FREEWare/2) * Origin: Moote Pointe (1:2424/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Roy J. Tellason 23-Nov-99 11:19:24 To: Dave Davidson 23-Nov-99 18:38:28 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... Dave Davidson wrote in a message to All: DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted DD> to find an OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS DD> directory, which is in the path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), DD> but not on Drive D (also HPFS) or Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know DD> why and how to correct it? While I understand that there's an OS/2 port of the original app, it's also my understanding that this is only 16-bit code, and that it has some problems. I forget which version I'm using, but there are at least a couple of different alternatives out there: LIST1_38.ZIP 151039 04-25-98 [ 1] LIST2 for OS/2 2.x, Release 1.38. An OS/2 & DOS freeware file viewer. Load OS/2, MAC & Unix text files. Supports redirected stdin. Freeware. LIST75H.ZIP 18675 06-10-92 [ ] --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-838-8539 (1:270/615) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 21-Nov-99 20:56:22 To: John Angelico 23-Nov-99 18:38:28 Subj: Installation problem John Angelico wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JS> That was a bug in WARP 3 that was there for one day, on the JS> day of it's intial release. You could not buy, or it was JS> difficult to find a copy of that, as they pulled it and JS> fixed that on the first day. JS>Don't believe everything you read in Unleashed. JA> Oh, no! Jack - you have just introduced a bug into Linda's JA> mental source code - and she's going to have to look at JA> EVERYTHING in Unleashed with a jaundiced eye... That wouldn't be a bad idea. I think she should start off installing things the way most in here advised. Once she gets everything running, she should grab a copy of: CFGINFO7.ZIP OS/2 Config.sys Optimizer! Sysop Recommended! (188K) That should get her somewhat familar with how to tune up her config.sys file. Then, she should fool around for a few weeks, learning how to set up DOS sessions, how to get her windows 3x running if she wants that, then she will have a good grasp of things w/o much need for a book. I'd guess she would come up with enough questions for the users in here to keep her and us busy for a good while. I guess right now she needs to find out exactly why her system is locking up, or losing the mouse, or whatever is going on. If it's her old BIOS, then she's out of luck for now, but she can get 486 mother boards for next to nothing today. A guy around here was selling 486's for $60 with 16 megs ram and VGA monitors. Thats not much for a complete system. Not much reason to be running a 386 with a 1990 BIOS, thats for sure. Thats like 2 cartons of smokes... Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jaap van.Veen 23-Nov-99 20:14:23 To: All 23-Nov-99 20:10:11 Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40 Hallo All, As I have recalled earlier, my system (486DX2 66) is much faster with FP40 installed. This has to do with the faster handling of the harddisk. However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is not serviced in time causing overruns. Does somebody know how I can avoid overrun of COM1. I am using SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS since the beginning of my dealing with OS/2. Jaap --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: OS/2, my view on the world (2:280/804.3080) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 22-Nov-99 11:45:20 To: Holger Granholm 23-Nov-99 20:10:11 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello Holger, 20 Nov 99 17:38, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman: HG> No, as you see above, they aren't. My manual is missing the ,Viby J. HG> from the above text, instead it says below it: HG> Certified Quality System DS/ISO 9002 Despite they are both printed in Denmark, the copies are different. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Would you rather work at a Desq or clean Windows? --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 22-Nov-99 19:50:24 To: Rachel Veraa 23-Nov-99 20:10:11 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? Hello Rachel, 20 Nov 99 12:48, Rachel Veraa wrote to Roy J. Tellason: RV> So I was hoping someone would've done that by now. This is already done, several people have replied (including me) pointing to the webpage where you can find the OS2FAT32 driver. Haven't you received these messages? In case you didn't receive them: http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/ the file is os2fat32.zip Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Deja moo: I've seen that cow before --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: James Byrnes 23-Nov-99 22:26:00 To: all 23-Nov-99 22:26:00 Subj: E-Trade Is anyone using Communicator 4.61 to sucessfully logon to E-Trade and view their portfolio? I can logon and go to the portfolio tab, but if once there I try to change the view, say from performance to quick, instead of being shown the view I requested I am shown the logon page again. If I try to logon again I am given an error message saying that I am trying to logon from a page in the cache. I loaded Windows and used IE 5 and it worked as it should so it is not the site. I booted up my other machine and tried Communicator 4.04 for OS/2 and it did not work, but when I tried Netscape 2.02 for OS/2 it worked. I have tried emptying the cache, both memory and disk, but it did not help. Does anyone have any ideas as to what is going on here? Regards, Jim --- X KWQ/2 1.2i X I'm WARPed by choice --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 23-Nov-99 20:18:00 To: Dave Davidson 23-Nov-99 20:18:00 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... Dave Davidson wrote to All on 11-22-1999 DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work DD> properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4 DD> (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys file DD> that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3). DD> If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an DD> error message on boot up high lighting 03E8. If I leave that out, SIO DD> indicates a PCMCIA modem and says "Nothing Found". I've tried a DD> variety of combinations ie; leaving out the speed, using only DD> abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go. DD> Darn thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS. DD> Any idea as to what I'm doing wrong? I assume you commented out comm.sys and vcomm.sys? Does the SIO splash screen show com1/com2? Open the hardware manager (System setup folder) and check the comm ports and IRQ's in use - that may tell you something. Remember, you can't share IRQ's in OS/2 and IRQ4 conflicts with the 'normal' com1 usage. RMVIEW /? will give you the options and you can probably figure out what's going on from there. If you can't figure out what it's telling you, run RMVIEW /DC > [file] and post the file. Maybe someone can see the problem DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When deleting DD> a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as well as DD> a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes to DD> delete the OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I could DD> re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's). There's a free ware deltree out there for OS/2 that works fine. It may be in a file called FMUTILS (from hobbes, etc) but I'm not sure. I can email it as an attachment if you don't find it. It's one of the must-haves for me. DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to find an DD> OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS directory, which is in the DD> path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also HPFS) or DD> Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it? Probably 1.75f or so - it can't see partitions and/or logical drives >2.1 gb and it does not see long file names. I suggest Hyperview. I use the text mode version and it's about the nearest thing to a list replacement I've found. DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) of having DD> Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I didn't choose that DD> option as I didn't know what it would do. I'm using Netscape v4.61 and DD> so far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly due to DD> the SIO problems mentioned above. You mean other than the coffe break you take while it loads? Actually, it's based on a rev 3 core and is not available in the 128 bit secure version. Java support is also not very good - even if you can get it working. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 22-Nov-99 12:00:29 To: Will Honea 24-Nov-99 00:26:12 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... On (17 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Stephen Haffly... Hi Will, SH> How come I can't seem to get the motherboard com ports working SH> with OS/2 Warp 4? I always have to disable them and put in a serial SH> card. Meanwhile, DOS and the dominant OS seem to see and work with SH> them just fine. WH> SH> SH> This has been the case with more than one motherboard, anything SH> from a 486VIP to my current VA-503+. Is there a secret that I don't SH> know about? WH> TO be succinct: beats the hell out of me! Obvious questions: do you WH> have the comm ports enabled as COM1, COM2 in the bios setup? Did you WH> ever run 'full hardware detect' on boot? I'd ask if you had comm.sys WH> loaded, but since you see the addin board that would be insulting. WH> My 503 works like a champ - external modem on com2 - with the only WH> differnce being the use of SIO. Thanks for the reply. Answers: Tried it with enabled as COM1 and COM2. I don't recall if I did try the "full hardware detect", but didn't need to do that with the add-in card for it to be detected. Actually, I am using SIO as well. Maybe I need to revert back to comm.sys to test as well. I'm a bit leery about running the "full hardware detect". Last time I did it, it changed the settings for my sound card, and I had a devil of a time getting sound back working the way it should. I finally had to boot to DOS and run a utility to reset the card back to what it should have been. I used to need three com ports with my old motherboard. Now I run the touchpad on the PS/2 port, and need com1 for my UPS and com2 for my modem. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... If it ain't broke, we can fix that. --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:15/64.4) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 22-Nov-99 12:09:05 To: Will Honea 24-Nov-99 00:26:12 Subj: Missing Window control.. On (18 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Stephen Haffly... I Will, SH> Is there any way to patch the PostRoad code so that it works SH> properly then? WH> I did a quick and dirty that seemed to work for the simple tests I WH> tried, but that code is NOT well organized so I would hesitate to put WH> it out. WH> Actually, there are 2 very simple solutions: revert to FP10 or WH> earlier or update to FP12. I tend to wait a bit anymore to install fixpaks. I had stayed at 10, and only recently installed 12, skipping 11 with its problem. I guess I could begin looking for a replacement for Post Road Mailer and Post Road Newsreader. The problem is that I am so familiar with PR Mailer. I rely on the metagroups for PRNR, and don't know if there is anything similar in any other news client out there. Maybe it is time to ask what people's favorite news reader is, and why. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... If it ain't broke, don't fix it --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:15/64.4) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 22-Nov-99 12:14:03 To: Linda Proulx 24-Nov-99 00:26:12 Subj: Get Going On (18 Nov 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Stephen Haffly... Hi Linda, SH> That's because you've been using Geoworks Ensemble. Both that and OS/2 LP> Trying to remember if I ever asked about the OS/2 settings for GE & if LP> I did, I do have them saved. OK, open a full-screen DOS session and install GWE, but don't run it yet. At the conclusion of the installation, exit. Find the system folder and the "Add Programs" icon. You can either let it search and add automatically, or tell it you want to control the process. Select to search for DOS programs, and when it finishes building the list, select the GEOS entry. OS/2 will then set it up complete with the proper icon in your "additional DOS programs" folder. All the paremeters should be properly set for you just to double-click the icon and start in GWE. For printing, don't forget to open the printer object to the settings notebook, open the properties for the printer and then for the LPT port and make sure the checkbox for "Share access" is checked. That will enable the files from GWE to be printed without having to exit GWE. That is about it. Let me know how it all works out. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... Proverbs 3:13 | Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:15/64.4) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Wes Newell 23-Nov-99 21:02:08 To: Dave Davidson 24-Nov-99 06:35:29 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When deleting Well, I paid for dos years ago so I didn't see a reason not use it's command files when I moved to OS/2. Deltree works fine here in a dos session. Or you could always just delete the folder (along with all the files) by opening the drive icons. Or you could do it from file manager. I have to admit that I prefer deltree though.:-) DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to find an DD> OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS DD> directory, which is in the DD> path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also HPFS) or DD> Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it? Sadly the OS/2 version I have chokes on drives larger than 2 gig. However the dos version runs fine. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Wylie Connection 128K ISDN-V34+ DS 972-429-7005 (1:124/7028) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 23-Nov-99 19:15:00 To: All 24-Nov-99 06:35:29 Subj: Yet another magazine Hello all, It is with deep regret that I can inform that the last OS/2 column in the Personal Computer World will appear in the January 2000 issue. This message is an information to people that are contemplating to subscribe or renew their subscription to the magazine. I have bought the magazine every month but am now coming to an end of this habit. Yet another magazine that falls into the Windows trap. The OS/2 column has been very good but all good things come to an end. Regards, Holger --- þ MR/2 2.26 þ No, Windows isn't dead . . . it just smells that way. * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 24-Nov-99 19:38:26 To: All 24-Nov-99 06:35:29 Subj: Making Primary partitions visible. Hi Folks, A short while ago there was some discussion regarding the difficulty OS/2 has in seeing more than 1 primary partition on a drive. While looking for some info relating to accessing FAT32 drives from OS/2 I discovered an archive called OS2FAT32.ZIP dated 31-01-98 that contains PARTFILT.FLT dated 21-01-98. The docs for PARTFLT indicates that it can be used to re-order the drive letter assignments for partitions to whatever the users wishes, and it also contains the following interesting section - =============================================================== What is PARTFILT? ---------------- PARTFILT.flt is a filter device driver for OS/2 that makes it possible to load an IFS for linux partitions. (Without this filter you must patch the partition table. On many systems doing so may cause LILO to fail.) HK: The filter now is NOT specific for Linux. In addition this driver is capable to control in what order drive letters are assigned to partitions on fixed disks. It will also allow you to access hidden primary partitions under OS/2. ************************************** The goal of this filter is to allow you to use ext2-os2.ifs without breaking anything else... :-) NOTE: You need ext2-os2.ifs to access the files on a linux (ext2) partition. =============================================================== The line I have underlined with *************************** suggests that it can be used to allow Lynda to see the partitions she normally may not (under OS/2). I have not tried any of the files in the above archive. Cheers............pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 22-Nov-99 21:18:00 To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 24-Nov-99 06:35:29 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to Mike Ruskai on 11-22-99 22:55 about Communicator Fatal Error... SB> Hi Mike, > Your best bet at this point would be to install Netscape over the old > version. If your settings are still there to be preserved, they will be. > Otherwise, you'll get a usable os2pref.js file without deleting anything. SB> Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator archive SB> but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has yet SB> admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I would SB> be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which directory it SB> resides. Well, I don't have one, but I do have a prefs.js file, which is Netscape actually can't read when it says it can't read os2pref.js. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Cats are not pets; they own the house and let you live there. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 23-Nov-99 14:19:23 To: Holger Granholm 24-Nov-99 09:22:18 Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ Hello, Holger. -=> Replying to a message of Holger Granholm to Sean Dennis: SD>> It does mention that infamous - parameter that seems to be buried in HG> OK, I might freq it although I may not need it anymore. Just received HG> mtel from Jack Stein and as I see it I won't need VMODEM anymore even HG> though I do have it in the SIO package. You can use a standard term package to dial out through VModem. You don't really even need MTel. :) Later, Sean . o O ( Happy holidays from the staff at AfterHours/2 BBS! ) --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: Oh, NO! I'm WARPED! -=[ AfterHours/2 BBS ]=- (1:395/610) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 23-Nov-99 14:20:20 To: Matti Palmstr”m 24-Nov-99 09:22:18 Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ Hello, Matti. -=> Replying to a message of Matti Palmstr”m to Sean Dennis: SD>> If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how to SD>> set it up. Let me know. MP> une) Pay da guy da monny MP> too) Inset da line in ya config MP> DEVICE=C:\UTILS\SIO\SIO.SYS MP> Dune! Doesn't quite work that way when you want to run DOS doors under OS/2 with a BBS. Later, Sean . o O ( Happy holidays from the staff at AfterHours/2 BBS! ) --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: The heart of Central Texas - AfterHours/2 BBS (1:395/610) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 23-Nov-99 20:09:00 To: Will Honea 24-Nov-99 14:18:12 Subj: Deskarc List LA> Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246 LA> nulls. LA> Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and LA> you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs. WH> Which just happens to be the value of _MAXPATH in the toolkit headers, > for one thing. WH> In another msg. you refer to the X, 1, 2, 3 sequences. If you make > several archives you will find that the 1 -3 entries appear to be a > used to refer to 3 'buckets' where a new archive replaces the oldest > (3) one and becomes 1 while the remaining 'buckets' (1 and 2) are > incremented. Sort of a first-in/first-out stack of 3. Note: I may be > bass-ackwards on the order. I say 1 is the newest but it may really be > 3; I haven't messed with this in a LONG time. Just did a backup and it is indeed a FIFO arrangement: 2 - 1 - 3 became 3 - 2 - 1, the oldest entry being overwritten and the others being renumbered. Simple enough. Working on decoding the date/time headers now... LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: Software Independent: Won't work with ANY software.... --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 23-Nov-99 21:20:01 To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar 24-Nov-99 14:18:12 Subj: Deskarc List 1/ JdBP> [ This is a pr cis of a message in the TAUCMD echo. ] SW> DESKARC LIST produces no output here. LA> Basic Structure: LA> 21 bytes of unknown data, followed by a text label at offset > 21d/15h, the label is: "Originally installed Archive", followed > by 53 bytes of nulls, a two byte numbering label at offset > 102d/66h, followed by 246 bytes of nulls, followed by a 10 byte > string (":\Desktop" at offset 358d/166h, followed by 246 > nulls, followed by a restart of the above sequence to a total of > four such entries. LA> The text string at 21d into each section *other* than the first, > is always: "Complete Archive", (There ain't much actual data > here...) LA> Note: All offsets are zero based. LA> Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246 nulls. > Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and > you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs. LA> Note: The "numbering label" mentioned above is not sequential, > the four labels are: (in order of appearance) "0X", "02", "01", > and "03". On my maintenance partition, the order is: "0X", "01", > "03", and "02". My guess is this is more of a type label than a > sequence number, but what it indicates, I have no idea. Haven't > found any clues in my old DD kit, nor inside any executable on > disk, which seems reasonable considering they are compressed... LA> I'm guessing that the 21 byte section header contains a date and > time, and undoubtedly something else, but what? I'll have a go > at decoding the date/time part tomorro. OK, following is a layout of the header portion (the bytes immediately preceeding the "Original Archive"/"Complete Archive" section) of each record. This reflects an "old" existing ARCHIVES.$$$ and a new (made today) ARCHIVES.$$$. As Will recollected, the entries rotate on a FIFO basis, the oldest being overwritten and the number labels being rotated. But notice how the 5th byte appears to be a record place number. The date/time data appears therefore to begin at the 7th byte and continue for 6 bytes from there. But I'll be danged if I can see how it's encoded. Anyone out there familiar with OS/2's default D/T encoding scheme? I'll give a look through my header files and see what jumps out at me, but based on past experience, I'm not optimistic. Anyone got any ideas? BCD maybe? Here's the sequence: From ARCHIVE.NEW dated 11/23/99 NOTE: First line is decimal translation, second line is the original hex value. A "-" is a null. ******************************************** (Original Archive) - - - - 88 - 21 56 43 37 2 2 207 7 255 255 2 0 0 0 0 58 0 15 38 2b 25 2 2 cf 7 ff ff 2 (Entry label "3") 1 - - - 1 - 20 1 19 85 23 11 207 7 255 255 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 14 1 13 55 17 0b cf 7 ff ff 2 (Entry label "2") 1 - - - 2 - 10 37 18 51 15 9 207 7 255 255 3 1 0 0 0 2 0 0a 25 12 33 0f 9 cf 7 ff ff 3 (Entry label "1") 1 - - - 3 - 12 9 27 63 11 9 207 7 255 255 6 1 0 0 0 3 0 0c 9 1b ef 0b 9 cf 7 ff ff 6 **************************************** From ARCHIVE.OLD dated 9/15/99 (Original Entry) . [ Continued In Next Message... ] ___ X SPEED 2.01 #2720 X Canadian DOS prompt: EH?\> --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 23-Nov-99 21:20:02 To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar 24-Nov-99 14:18:12 Subj: Deskarc List 2/ . [ ...Continued From Previous Message ] - - - - 88 - 21 56 43 37 2 2 207 255 255 2 0 0 0 0 58 0 15 38 2b 25 2 2 cf ff ff 2 (Entry label "2") 1 - - - 1 - 10 37 18 51 15 9 207 7 255 255 3 1 0 0 0 1 0 0a 25 12 33 0f 9 cf 7 ff ff 3 (Entry label "1" 1 - - - 2 - 12 9 27 63 11 9 207 7 255 255 6 1 0 0 0 2 0 0c 9 1b 3f 0b 9 cf 7 ff ff 6 (Entry label "3") 1 - - - 3 - 17 14 1 59 2 9 207 7 255 255 4 1 0 0 0 3 0 11 0e 1 3b 2 9 cf 7 ff ff 4 ****************************************** ___ X SPEED 2.01 #2720 X Canadian DOS prompt: EH?\> --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 24-Nov-99 15:03:15 To: Jack Stein 25-Nov-99 00:33:11 Subj: Re: Installation problem Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jack Stein wrote to John Angelico <=- JS> That wouldn't be a bad idea. I think she should start off installing JS> things the way most in here advised. Once she gets everything running, JS> she should grab a copy of: JS> CFGINFO7.ZIP OS/2 Config.sys Optimizer! Sysop Recommended! (188K) And what if my board doen't have it? JS> I'd guess she would come up with enough questions for the users in here JS> to keep her and us busy for a good while. Oh I will. JS> old BIOS, then she's out of luck for now, but she can get 486 mother JS> boards for next to nothing today. A guy around here was selling 486's JS> for $60 with 16 megs ram and VGA monitors. Thats not much for a This must be in US dollars. And one must have it. Good used monitors here start at @ $125. JS> complete system. Not much reason to be running a 386 with a 1990 BIOS, JS> thats for sure. Thats like 2 cartons of smokes... 1989 bios. And lack of $ is a good reason. Years of solid computing ain't nothing to be sneezed at. Unfortunately technology has left it behind. Anon, Linda ... Was Dracula batty? --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 24-Nov-99 07:43:27 To: John Angelico 25-Nov-99 00:33:11 Subj: FTP & Telenet On (17 Nov 99) John Angelico wrote to Mike Ruskai... Hi John, JA> "Use of the Software for any JA> military- or arms production related purpose, whether direct or JA> indirect, is strictly prohibited and will constitute a breach JA> of the license granted under this Agreement." JA> I don't think it's as sweeping as you might have thought. Military JA> *purpose* not *personnel* (although I hate that word "personnel" it JA> makes the point by a pun) However, if I wish to use the program to access my shell account, and then view my e-mail from there, and my platoon sergeant has sent me military related information, then I am in violation of the license if I read it. I'd just as soon do without such a restriction. That being the case, I just stick with LiveWire, although it is apparently abandoned. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... It's only a hobby...it's only a hobby...it's only a hobby... --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:15/64.4) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 21-Nov-99 10:42:00 To: John Angelico 21-Nov-99 10:42:00 Subj: Netscape416 JA> RN> the mouse button down on the back/forward JA> RN> icons a popup history menu appears JA> RN> JA> JA> Ron - just for the pedants...which button? JA> The left button, but you have to have gone someplaces to create a history. I haven't looked all that closely but it is probably similar to "go". - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rich Wonneberger 24-Nov-99 20:51:03 To: Wes Newell 25-Nov-99 05:59:27 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... *** Quoting Wes Newell to Dave Davidson dated 11-23-99 *** > DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to (bit del) > Sadly the OS/2 version I have chokes on drives larger than 2 gig. > However the dos version runs fine. Wes, Does your version show long file names?? If so, what version do you have?? Mine only shows 8.3 type names Rich I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net ... Help you out? Certainly! Which way did you come in? --- * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914 783-2106 (1:2625/50) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Paul Hildebrandt 23-Nov-99 19:57:21 To: All 25-Nov-99 05:59:27 Subj: resurecting extended attribs Hello All! McAffee utilities messed up my *.sf files on my fat drive. Any way to resurect the extended file attributes? Paul --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1219+ * Origin: The Paintballers' BBS ----* (1:153/870) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: August Abolins 24-Nov-99 20:13:14 To: all 25-Nov-99 05:59:27 Subj: need FLEETSTREET help Hi ! Calling any Fleetstreet users here (probably just Sean and Jonathan anyway ) FleetStreet 1.25.1 introduces the option to have a separate colour for 2nd-level quoted text. This 2nd-level defaults to a pinky colour. It's an awful combination on my preferred blue background. The Setup/Message menus don't offer a colour tab for this 2nd-level quote. There is only a colour control for "Quoted Text", but it only applies to the first level of quoted text. I tried the drag'n'drop method to change the colour, but the paint roller is so "fat" it's hard to figure out where the hot-point is so that I can position it exactly where I need the color to be dropped. Can anyone help? .aa. --- FleetStreet 1.25.1 * Origin: -- eXpress_><_conneXions -- bancroft, ontario (1:163/144) 249/100 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 24-Nov-99 10:57:00 To: Dave Davidson 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... In a message dated 11-22-99, Dave Davidson said to All: Hello Dave, DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When DD> deleting a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time DD> consuming as well as a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). I hope not. It's the slowest program I've ever used for that purpose. Doing it manually or from a file manager is ten times faster. The only advantage of deltree is that you don't have to sit there all the time. Regards, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * You're getting old when the candles cost more than the cake. --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 24-Nov-99 10:57:00 To: Jack Stein 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Installation problem In a message dated 11-21-99, Jack Stein said to John Angelico: Hi Jack, JS>That wouldn't be a bad idea. I think she should start off JS>installing things the way most in here advised. Once she gets JS>everything running, she should grab a copy of: JS> CFGINFO7.ZIP OS/2 Config.sys Optimizer! Sysop Recommended! (188K) Where can *I* grab a copy of that? Have nr. 6. FTP or Telnet preferred. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * Life is like MS Windows... you never know what you're gonna get. --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 24-Nov-99 07:01:00 To: Leonard Erickson 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Install LA> > FCBS=16,8 LA> Set this to "8,4" ML> Nonsense. Programmers of old DOS programs used FCBs long after ML> DOS 1.x came out, even though the documentation told them not to (who ML> reads the docs?). What to set FCBS= depends on which DOS programs you ML> are running, not what version of DOS they were written under (something ML> you have no way of knowing unless you wrote them ). LE> Actually, I seem to recall hearing that MS-DOS has dropped support for > FCBS as of version 6 or 7. I know they've been *warning* programmers > since version 5 (or earlier) that those functions where not to be used, > because they'd be dropped at some future time. This is the usual case of MS's "Do as I say, not as I do", since Command.Com continues to use FCBs for fast directlry deletions, just as I do. LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: There's a light -- over at the Frankenstein place. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George Fliger 24-Nov-99 06:11:16 To: Peter French 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions..... On 22 Nov 99 12:00am, Peter French wrote to Herbert Rosenau: PF> On 1999/11/21, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Peter French on message PF> number 749; Hi Herbert, HR> HR> PF> SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C HR> PF> SET AUTOFAIL=YES HR> HR> The setup from my Node: HR> HR> AUTOFAIL=YES - without SET! All errorors are true errors HR> SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C - without SET! no popup if error PF> FIXED - how stupid can one be - I spent hours tracing this PF> problem, because I PF> knew my system used to be quiet. Interesting that the system PF> didn't complain about the wrong syntax. Thanks for the help, I PF> hope the original poster "gets the message" The SET command made the entries a different type of environment variable but completely legal! If you had typed SET at a command prompt you would have seen both listed. George ... Don't do it if you can't keep it up. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Bradenton, Fl * 941-745-5677 * (1:137/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:53:00 To: All 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Broken Link Hi there! The link to France for the OS2 echoes was broken from Oct 20 to Nov 15 approx. I sent a handfull of messages again If you wrote to me or anyone in France, please send again. Thanks. L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:54:00 To: Charles Gaefke 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Scsi Too expensive? Second try, as this old message perhaps never got accross the pond. From : LOUIS AUBREE To : CHARLES GAEFKE Subj. : SCSI TOO EXPENSIVE? Conf : OS2 Date : 10-20-99 Time : 23:15 CG> CG> Period. CG> LA> CG> LA> Well, SCSI HD's are expensive. So, go on with ATAPI/IDE HD. CG> LA> But you can use SCSI for a CD burner and a scanner and ... CG> CG> Yeah, so? CG> CG> You are preaching to the choir, and a poor choir at that. CG> CG> The point is I can get an IDE drive twice the size of a SCSI CG> drive for the same price. I agree about that. Read again... CG> That's all I need to know to decide which way to go. Yeah, but read again... L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:55:00 To: Andy Roberts 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Long Lines Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond. From : LOUIS AUBREE To : ANDY ROBERTS Subj. : LONG LINES Conf : OS2 Date : 10-27-99 Time : 20:23 Hi Andy, You replied to my message to Peter French about his long lines... AR> -- AR> AR> I went back and looked at the original msg from Peter French and AR> it is perfect without any sharks tooth hard carriage returns like AR> you quoted. I'm happy to learn that. AR> The problem you are complaining about is caused in your software AR> not the software of those originating msgs with 78 - 80 character AR> lines. You should change the settings in your software or change AR> to better software. Not in my software. I explained how I checked that *without* using my off-line reader, nor any software that splits lines. <...snip...> AR> To put it simply I don't have to read msgs like you quoted when AR> the original msg is formatted within Fidonet specs. So I have AR> nothing to complain about. Except I'm not going to change my proper AR> settings to your lower expectations. AR> --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at Would it be that Terminate 5.00 unsplits already splitted lines? The other explanation is that you receive truly unsplitted lines, but they are splitted somewhere on the way down to me. As my sysop is going to change many things, and wants me (like all of his single users...) to become a "point", maybe this annoying "feature" will vanish. At least, I hope so. L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:57:00 To: Linda Proulx 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Warp 3 install Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond. From : LOUIS AUBREE To : LINDA PROULX Subj. : WARP 3 INSTALL Conf : OS2 Date : 10-27-99 Time : 21:53 Hi Linda! I'm late to reply to your msg's from 1999-10-12 and 13 : LP> Someone gave me a copy of Warp 3, Red flavour. LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual LP> Boot. But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything. Drive D LP> is a 1 g partition. Drive C has DOS 6.22 on C & Windows 311 on E. LP> Want to run DOS & Windows legacy programs. My first install was also with Warp 3 red box and Dual Boot above DOS and Win 3.1. I could install Warp on the same C: drive, and it worked. But I was annoyed because the Dual Boot install gave a very strong shake to my Windows directory. It looked like after a hurricane... but it worked, at least untill I tried something new in Win3.1 to use CD-ROMs. My advice, if you have to install with Dual Boot: make a full backup of the Windows dir. Then, try even a full copy in another dir and play switching dir names between WINDOWS and something like SWIN. (A year later, I upgraded my PC and buyed a new HD I could partition freely with a Boot Manager partition). LP> Want to know what best way to prep for the install. Also want a LP> good bootmanager that will run off a floppy. Will the Warp boot LP> manager work on a floppy? I have 2 HDs & want to put OS2 on the LP> primary of D drive. The manual isn't very forthcoming. With a new HD, I had 2 HD's, one empty. I used Warp FDISK to partition it with a Boot Manager partition, a C: partition for DOS-Win, a C: partition for OS/2, and several partitions for utilities, applications, data... Yes, I reinstalled Win on both the C: partitions, but I installed Warp only above one. Then, I put every DOS and Win utilities/apps on E:, F:,... so they can be shared between DOS-Win and OS/2. Of course, every partition is FAT16, that's the price. LP> Have a SCSI CD-ROM & ZIP disk & a parallel Syquest Sparq. Will LP> the install see these or do I have to have the DOS drivers in the LP> DOS autoexec.bat & config.sys. No DOS driver can be used with OS/2. Check if your SCSI adapter is in the standard list for Warp 3. Parallel devices are known as no-go. L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 23-Nov-99 23:59:00 To: Gord Hannah 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Warp 3 install Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond. From : LOUIS AUBREE To : GORD HANNAH Subj. : WARP 3 INSTALL Conf : OS2 Date : 10-27-99 Time : 22:01 Hi Gord, You replied to Linda Proulx : GH> LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual GH> LP> Boot. But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything. GH> GH> Can be done very easily. Select advanced install tell it to GH> install to d: when it asks you for the fdisk command say nope, I GH> would however format it to HPFS less hassles that way, no defrag GH> ever needed unless over 80% full Install Warp 3 red with Dual Boot on HPFS ? Is it possible ? With Win apps needed? L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 24-Nov-99 00:00:00 To: Linda Proulx 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Newbie Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond. From : LOUIS AUBREE To : LINDA PROULX Subj. : NEWBIE Conf : OS2 Date : 10-27-99 Time : 23:04 LP> Where the best sites? I can get a friend with an Inet account to LP> get the stuff for me. Not very easy. Try to get the "Hobbes OS/2 Archived" CD-ROM from Walnut Creek. From the same place, I suggest also the "Simtel MSDOS", full of useful stuff (but off the topic here). L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 24-Nov-99 00:02:00 To: Rob Basler 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Boot Managerss Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond. From : LOUIS AUBREE To : ROB BASLER Subj. : BOOT MANAGERSS Conf : OS2 Date : 10-27-99 Time : 23:48 Hi Rob! You replied to Linda Proulx : RB> LP>Also want a good RB> LP>bootmanager that will run off a floppy. RB> RB> Never heard of such a program. It seems that Lilo (Linux loader) can do that. (But not been there, not done that, sorry). L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 24-Nov-99 00:03:00 To: Linda Proulx 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Warp 3 install Second try, as this message probably never got accross the pond. From : LOUIS AUBREE To : LINDA PROULX Subj. : WARP 3 INSTALL Conf : OS2 Date : 10-27-99 Time : 23:49 About Warp3 Red or Blue : LP> If I got the Blue flavour, would that mean that I wouldn't have LP> to have Windows on my harddrive? Have you heard about Win32s? OS/2 can play Win32s apps only up to v1.25 of this extension. MS managed to push it somewhere further where IBM couldn't go. So Win3.1 apps *really* needing Win32s v1.30 can't be played on Warp. So, don't think to give away Win 3.1x, at least for a while. L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 23-Nov-99 19:23:20 To: Murray Lesser 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Small programs Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was >that program I wrote way back when...." ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function" ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file ML> is 619 bytes. JS>I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM >by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory. ML> You are comparing apples and oranges. David's DLL lives ML> on the disk in a file containing 619 bytes. If I ask EXEHDR ML> about TELLBOOT.DLL, it tells me that it lives in 46H (70 ML> decimal) bytes of "virtual memory." I was hoping you would not notice that:-) On the other hand, Davids is an external REXX function DLL file, not a regular application, right? Jays OSTSR is a 920 byte "standalone" .com application... Does that count for anything? Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 23-Nov-99 19:38:21 To: Dave Davidson 25-Nov-99 06:37:05 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... Dave Davidson wrote in a message to All: DD> (1) Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way DD> to print a file from FC/2? None of the commands nor DD> pull down menu's indicate that function. For example, DD> if I edit a .CMD file in FC/2 and want to print it out DD> for future reference, is there a way to do it within DD> FC/2? I suggest replacing the default viewer with a good viewer program. The best I've found is HyperView, the text mode version. It is super duper dude. Look for: HV34.ZIP HyperView OS/2 PM/text file viewer for word processing, Text,and ZIP Files (Sysop Recommended) (195K) DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it DD> to work properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster DD> setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4 (verified by Terminate), yet DD> the ONLY setting in the config.sys file that works is DD> C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3). Shouldn't that be O3F8 instead of 03E8? Anyhow, you probably don't need to do anything other than put in the (COM3) paramater. Run rmview /IRQ after it boots and see what you get. SIO will assign the correct address in all normal situations. DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? DD> When deleting a directory with deep sub-directories, DD> it's time consuming as well as a PITA to DEL (dir) then DD> RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes to delete the DD> OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I could DD> re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's). OS2Commander lets you delete or move whole directories along with sub-directories. I would think that FC/2 has the same basic features. DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was DD> delighted to find an OS/2 port of it. Nope, that sucks. I used Bergs LIST for many years. Get Hyperview and use it, it is great. You are using FC/2, that is your file manager, list is not a good file manager, and not a good viewer. HV is very fast, and does some nice things, nothing too special, nothing too special needed. What IS special is the search/highlighting and cut and paste functions. It is perfect for OS/2 and works great with OS/2's cut and paste facilities. Takes about 2 minutes to learn how to use, and it is time well spent. You can tag lines with the space bar, or the whole file at once, press L and copy or APPEND to the clipboard, or to a file. Instead of a file, you can tell it to copy the clipboard to the printer (lpt1 or PRN or whatever) You can go to any OS/2, DOS or WIN app, say a text editor, msg reader, browser, the command line, anything, and hit ALT then p to paste the text. Works neat on searches too, for example, you can hit S to search for say SIO with config.sys loaded, then press CTRL+ENTER and all the lines with SIO in it will be highlighted, then press enter, and it will give you a "hyperview" of just the highlighted text. Super nice, nothing else I know of compares to this viewer. DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that DD> matter) of having Sun Office v5.1a being the default DD> Web Browser? I didn't choose that option as I didn't DD> know what it would do. I'm using Netscape v4.61 and so DD> far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly DD> due to the SIO problems mentioned above. I dunno, but, I doubt the slow D/L problem has much to do with SIO or OS/2. SIO either is installed or not, and OS/2 handles any speed your modem can produce. DD> I'm going to be home all this week, so I would like to get DD> as much of OS/2 setup as possible. I may not have this much DD> time again for quite a while. Invite Andy over for a few brewskies, and show him your cooking system. He won't be able to keep his hands out of it:-) Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rich Wonneberger 25-Nov-99 09:03:15 To: Holger Granholm 25-Nov-99 13:16:27 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... *** Quoting Holger Granholm to Dave Davidson dated 11-24-99 *** > DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When (bit del) > I hope not. It's the slowest program I've ever used for that purpose. > Doing it manually or from a file manager is ten times faster. Holger, Wouldnt the OS/2 equivalent work better & faster?? :} Which file manager do you use?? Rich I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net ... I like to leave messages *before* the beep. --- * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914 783-2106 (1:2625/50) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Leonard Erickson 25-Nov-99 00:11:01 To: Lee Aroner 25-Nov-99 14:12:27 Subj: Install -=> Quoting Lee Aroner to Leonard Erickson <=- LA> > FCBS=16,8 LA> Set this to "8,4" ML> Nonsense. Programmers of old DOS programs used FCBs long after ML> DOS 1.x came out, even though the documentation told them not to (who ML> reads the docs?). What to set FCBS= depends on which DOS programs you ML> are running, not what version of DOS they were written under (something ML> you have no way of knowing unless you wrote them ). LE> Actually, I seem to recall hearing that MS-DOS has dropped support for > FCBS as of version 6 or 7. I know they've been *warning* programmers > since version 5 (or earlier) that those functions where not to be used, > because they'd be dropped at some future time. LA> This is the usual case of MS's "Do as I say, not as I do", since LA> Command.Com continues to use FCBs for fast directlry deletions, LA> just as I do. Try it under MS-DOS v6.x. Then try it in a Win 95 or 98 DOS "window" (or with the system booted to the MS-DOS 7 that Win 9x runs on top of). --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Leonard Erickson 25-Nov-99 01:03:03 To: All 25-Nov-99 14:12:27 Subj: Printer driver * Crossposted from: OS/2 HW I've got an ancient but usable color inkjet printer. I'm wondering if there's anyone out there who could write an OS/2 driver for it if I gave them the specs. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter French 25-Nov-99 14:06:00 To: Dave Davidson 25-Nov-99 14:06:00 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... On 1999/11/22, Dave Davidson wrote to All on message number 548; Hello Dave, DD> If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an DD> error message on boot up high lighting 03E8. Not knowing too much about this, I cannot help in depth, but my system works as: DEVICE=C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1,3F8,4) (COM4,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3) you did use 03E8 and when I look at the SIO/serial ports on the Hardware Manager it shows a range of 3F8-3FF. Could that be your problem? ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Will the future ever arrive? - Victor Hugo --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Gene Tucker 25-Nov-99 23:07:00 To: Sean Dennis 25-Nov-99 23:07:00 Subj: Vmodem/Sio Faq In a message dated 11-12-99, Sean Dennis said to Gene Tucker: SD>Hello, Gene. -=> Replying to a message of Gene Tucker to Sean Dennis: GT> For whcih version of SIO? 1.60d or the new old beta? SD>1.60d. I haven't tried the new beta as some of my other SD>friends have tried it and have told me it's buggy and SD>cantankerous. I simply haven't had time to investigate it. SD>:) SD>Later, SD>Sean SD> Well, I dont think it is buggy. A triffle hard to configure perhaps. I use it with good results. I just wish the beta would have been updated. ___ X MR/2 2.26 #30 X Dime: a dollar with all the taxes taken out. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Wes Newell 25-Nov-99 10:25:23 To: Rich Wonneberger 26-Nov-99 03:58:14 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... RW> Does your version show long file names?? Nope. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Wylie Connection 128K ISDN-V34+ DS 972-429-7005 (1:124/7028) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 24-Nov-99 13:46:17 To: Dave Davidson 26-Nov-99 03:58:15 Subj: Re: Bunch of Questions.... -=> On 22 Nov 99 16:25:33, Dave Davidson wrote to All <=- DD> Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way to print a DD> file from FC/2? None of the commands nor pull down menu's indicate DD> that function. For example, if I edit a .CMD file in FC/2 and want DD> to print it out for future reference, is there a way to do it within DD> FC/2? FC/2 doesn't have a print command built-in, but you can add one to the user menu: P: Print File copy ! PRN is how I have mine set up. Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... Sometimes the garbage disposal gods demand an offering of a spoon. --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.32 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 24-Nov-99 10:18:28 To: Peter French 26-Nov-99 03:58:15 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... PF> FIXED - how stupid can one be PF> - I spent hours tracing this problem, because I knew my system PF> used to be quiet. You not the only one. Sometimey anybody is searching for days and can't see the bug. PF> Interesting that the system didn't complain about the wrong PF> syntax. It can't! Anything after SET, separated with one simple '=' is legal. But it my be absolute useless. There is nothing that can check it other than the bug sitting in front of the monitor. PF> Thanks for the help, Nothing to thank. This network is for getting and receiving help. PF> I hope the original poster "gets the message" I think so. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 128: * Origin: T E A M = (T)oll, (E)in (A)nderer (M)acht's (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 24-Nov-99 10:36:09 To: Dave Davidson 26-Nov-99 03:58:15 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... DD> (1) Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way to DD> print a file from FC/2? None of the commands nor pull down DD> menu's indicate that function. For example, if I edit a .CMD DD> file in FC/2 and want to print it out for future reference, DD> is there a way to do it within FC/2? Use the WPS instead. DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to DD> work properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on DD> COM3, 03E8, IRQ4 Hey You can't use IRQs multiple. COM1 IRQ4 03F8 COM2 IRQ3 02F8 COM3 try to find a FREE IRQ and a free I/O address of your choice COM4 dito. You don't need SIO if you don't own special communication hardware or not more than 4 com ports. DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? No. But you can do that with WPS with Drag & Drop (move the obect to delete onto the shredder). DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) DD> of having Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I DD> didn't choose that option as I didn't know what it would do. DD> I'm using Netscape v4.61 You can do what you prefere. DD> I'm going to be home all this week, so I would like to get as DD> much of OS/2 setup as possible. I may not have this much time DD> again for quite a while. You'll have still to work through the learn program coming with OS/2. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 105: * Origin: Die erste Nacht am Galgen ist die schlimmste. (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 24-Nov-99 17:13:24 To: Dave Davidson 26-Nov-99 03:58:15 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... Hello Dave! Monday November 22 1999 16:25, Dave Davidson wrote to All: DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work DD> properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8, DD> IRQ4 DD> (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys DD> file DD> that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3). DD> If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I This one is easy.. (COM3:115200,3e8,irq4,,) Note, that there is a colon between the comX and the locked speed. Check the SIOREF.TXT for more information about it. If you want to share the port with a DOS program, the add a "-" in the 4th spot. DD> abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go. DD> Darn thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS. DD> Any idea as to what I'm doing wrong? Are you sure it isn't one of those Winmodems? I know that the boxes sure looked a lot alike.. DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When DD> deleting DD> a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as There are add-ons for this. IIRC, there is one from Mark Mays utilities. Check on Hobbes for a deltree command if you have net access. If not, I can always attach it and send it to you.. DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to DD> find DD> an DD> OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS directory, which is DD> in the DD> path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also DD> HPFS) or DD> Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it? No idea. What does it say? Does it give any error information? If you like list, you can always try 4OS2. List is built in, and works quite nicely--but it's shareware and will expire! DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) of DD> having DD> Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I didn't choose DD> that DD> option as I didn't know what it would do. I'm using Netscape DD> v4.61 and DD> so far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly due DD> to DD> the SIO problems mentioned above. Naa. Stay with Netscape. And once you get the correct modem line installed, it will work quite nicely. I don't care for the SO web browser.. DD> Whew... that outta be enough for now... Gee, it's sort of fun having a few new folks again! ;-) Some of us that have used it for a while were getting a bit stale and set in our ways. DD> I'm going to be home all this week, so I would like to get as much DD> of DD> OS/2 setup as possible. I may not have this much time again for quite DD> a while. Once you get it set up, you can pretty much forget it. It just runs and runs.. Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 22h 09m 44s 562ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Monteith 25-Nov-99 06:57:08 To: August Abolins 26-Nov-99 03:58:15 Subj: need FLEETSTREET help Hello August! Replying to a message of August Abolins of 1:163/144 on 1999/11/24, 20:13:14 said to all at 1:167/133: AA> The Setup/Message menus don't offer a colour tab for this 2nd-level AA> quote. There is only a colour control for "Quoted Text", but it AA> only applies to the first level of quoted text. I tried the AA> drag'n'drop method to change the colour, but the paint roller is AA> so "fat" it's hard to figure out where the hot-point is so that I AA> can position it exactly where I need the color to be dropped. There is a Quotes II option in the setup/editor menu. Perhaps you can change it in there? Stephen Monteith 1988 Jeep YJ with 30" tires and RE 4" lift The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Rev. 9.033 There are 48 Processes with 227 Threads. This machine's uptime is 4d 8h 9m 20s 375ms. --- FleetStreet 1.25.1 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS, telnet: juxtaposition.dynip.com (1:167/133) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 25-Nov-99 14:22:05 To: All 26-Nov-99 03:58:15 Subj: Win-os2 setup Greetings, I think my last question got lost in cyber neverneverland because surprisingly no one replied. The original question was that on quick perusal, the Blue win file structure looks very much the same as Win3.1X. If this is correct, why would I not need an uninstaller as win programs will set themselves up in the inis as before? Or is there something I'm really missing? Anon, Linda ... It's only a hobby...it's only a hobby...it's only a hobby... --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 24-Nov-99 09:26:19 To: Stewart Buckingham 26-Nov-99 03:58:15 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error Hello Stewart, 22 Nov 99 22:55, Stewart Buckingham wrote to MIKE RUSKAI: SB> Thanks. I considered this and went looking for my Communicator archive SB> but unfortunately couldn't find it :( Nobody using 4.04 has yet SB> admitted they actually have an os2pref.js on their hard disk. I would SB> be interested in seeing what it looks like, and in which directory it SB> resides. The os2pref.js file is located in the netscape user directory (where for example also the bookmarks are located), it's a text file and mine begins with: // Netscape User Preferences // This is a generated file! Do not edit. user_pref("browser.bookmark_columns_win", "v1 1 1:10000 2:3000 4:2000 3:2000"); user_pref("browser.bookmark_window_rect", "5,-3,855,1029"); user_pref("browser.bookmark_window_showwindow", 4); user_pref("browser.cache.disk_cache_size", 0); .............................................................................. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... WindowError:00F Unexplained error. Please tell us how it happened. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 24-Nov-99 09:39:23 To: Dave Davidson 26-Nov-99 03:58:15 Subj: Bunch of Questions.... Hello Dave, 22 Nov 99 16:25, Dave Davidson wrote to All: DD> (1) Using FC/2 to browse and edit files, is there any way to print a DD> file from FC/2? None of the commands nor pull down menu's indicate I don't know, I don't print. DD> (2) I've loaded SIO v1.60d, but haven't been able to get it to work DD> properly. I have an Internal USR Sportster setup on COM3, 03E8, IRQ4 DD> (verified by Terminate), yet the ONLY setting in the config.sys file DD> that works is C:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM3). You say this works... why don't you just use this? DD> If I put the complete line in ie; (COM3, 115200, 03E8, IRQ4) I get an DD> error message on boot up high lighting 03E8. If I leave that out, SIO DD> indicates a PCMCIA modem and says "Nothing Found". I've tried a DD> variety of combinations ie; leaving out the speed, using only DD> abbreviations, etc., to no avail. Even tried (3,3E8,4,-). No go. Darn DD> thing works fine at that address in WIN98 and DOS. Any idea as to what DD> I'm doing wrong? What's the point of trying something else that doesn't work if you have found a setup that works?? DD> (3) Is there an OS/2 command similar to DOS's DELTREE.EXE? When DD> deleting a directory with deep sub-directories, it's time consuming as DD> well as a PITA to DEL (dir) then RD (dir). It took me over 30 minutes DD> to delete the OFFICE51 directory from a previous install, before I DD> could re-install it where I wanted it to go. (Changed HD's). There are many 3rd-party programs to do this, FC/2 does this too. DD> (4) I have used DeBurgs LIST.COM for years, and was delighted to find DD> an OS/2 port of it. I loaded it into my \UTILS directory, which is in DD> the path. Works fine on Drive C (HPFS), but not on Drive D (also HPFS) DD> or Drive E (FAT16). Anyone know why and how to correct it? I don't know that. Which "OS/2 port of List"? If it's the OS/2 port of Vern DeBurg himself, it's only an old 16-bit program. There are other list-like program, better suited for OS/2 (Look/2). You can use the internal viewer in FC/2. DD> (5) Are there any advantages (or dis-advantages for that matter) of DD> having Sun Office v5.1a being the default Web Browser? I didn't choose Do you mean Star Office, that Sun recently acquired? I don't use Star Office, so I can't answer that anyway. DD> that option as I didn't know what it would do. I'm using Netscape DD> v4.61 and so far, it's working OK, except for slow D/L speeds possibly DD> due to the SIO problems mentioned above. If the slow download speeds are caused by SIO, you get the same slow speed in any other program that downloads. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... "Bother", said Pooh as he realized he was a Star Trek redshirt. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Gregory Urban 25-Nov-99 11:04:00 To: All 26-Nov-99 06:37:08 Subj: Odin and app install Greetings, Recently I downloaded ODIN so that I can attempt to run Win32 apps on my Warp 4 system. Well, I've run into a problem. When I try installing apps which use the "Unwise" installation program they of course won't install. ODIN won't run the install program because it is 16-bit and if I try running in a WinOS2 session the installer refuses to install the Win9x app because WinOS2 is the wrong version. Anyone out there figure out how to get around this? Also, anyone out there know how to unpack .CAB files? Thanks, Greg ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower-telnet://bbs.airpower.dynip.com 610-259-2198 (1:273/408) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: August Abolins 25-Nov-99 23:05:12 To: Stephen Monteith 26-Nov-99 07:18:12 Subj: need FLEETSTREET help Hi Stephen! SM> There is a Quotes II option in the setup/editor menu. Perhaps you can SM> change it in there? Frig. Yes of course I can change it there! :/ I'm friggin' blind, that's all! I can't believe I missed it. Thanks! .aa. --- FleetStreet 1.25.1 * Origin: -- eXpress_><_conneXions -- bancroft, ontario (1:163/144) 249/100 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Wes Newell 26-Nov-99 02:29:08 To: All 26-Nov-99 09:22:12 Subj: file systems Looking for a file systen that will allow >2meg cache that's compatible with hpfs, or that could replace hpfs as the primary FS. Could I use hpfs386? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Wylie Connection 128K ISDN-V34+ DS 972-429-7005 (1:124/7028) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Leonard Erickson 25-Nov-99 15:19:00 To: Peter French 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... -=> Quoting Peter French to Herbert Rosenau <=- PF> On 1999/11/21, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Peter French on message PF> number 749; Hi Herbert, HR> HR> PF> SET SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C HR> PF> SET AUTOFAIL=YES HR> HR> The setup from my Node: HR> HR> AUTOFAIL=YES - without SET! All errorors are true errors HR> SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C - without SET! no popup if error PF> FIXED - how stupid can one be - I spent hours tracing this problem, PF> because I knew my system used to be quiet. Interesting that the system PF> didn't complain about the wrong syntax. It didn't complain because the syntax *wasn't* wrong. You just weren't doing what you thought you were. Instead of changing an OS setting, you were creating an environment variable. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Gord Hannah 25-Nov-99 21:19:27 To: Louis Aubree 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Warp 3 install Replying to a message from Louis Aubree 2:326/2 to Gord Hannah, About Warp 3 install, On Tue Nov 23 1999 LA> Install Warp 3 red with Dual Boot on HPFS ? Is it possible ? With LA> Win apps needed? I don't see why not my first install of Warp3 was a botched deal from the start, but it worked just fine, winapps can reside any where, just use them and if they are good should work, and yes there a few good Win apps out there, the only fault they have is the OS they must run under..:-) The only reason I need to change was quite simple I had a hd crash, lost everything I had. Blew two Fujitsu's now have a Seagate. Hope this helps. Keep us posted. We are a fine board trying to make it better. http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah ghannah@pris.bc.ca Gord -=Team OS/2=- --- timEd/2 1.10.y2k+ * Origin: Marsh BBS (c) [Dawson Creek BC Canada] 1-250-786-7921 (1:17/23.1) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 19-Nov-99 10:04:15 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: fdisk /query Hi MIKE, On 17-Nov-99, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD: table JDBP>> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK. JDBP>> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical JDBP>> drive that aren't assigned to any partition. The irony is that with JDBP>> the scheme chosen by Linda's guru, this space is completely unusable, JDBP>> since no more partitions can be created on the disc. (Although one JDBP>> wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short like JDBP>> this. Perhaps a side effect of creating the partition using a hex JDBP>> editor on the partition table and doing the arithmetic incorrectly ? JDBP>> (-:) MR> It might have been FDISK that did the bad math. One of my drives has 7MB MR> of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive defined. MR> FDISK did it, not me. I don't think so, what you're seeing on your system is a different problem (FDISK peculiarity :-( ). When FDISK is told to create an extended partition on a drive with no primary defined, it creates a minimum size, hidden, inaccessible, primary partition on the drive at the start. Why? - don't ask me... George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 18-Nov-99 11:11:03 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Missing Window control.. WH>> This got several programs. Basically, when IBM started to maintain WH>> the archive bit on directory entries programs that didn't properly WH>> account for the archive bit would not see directories where the WH>> archive bit was set. It wasn't an IBM error per se, just laziness WH>> and sloppy coding on the part of some programmers but the result was WH>> reasonably wide spread. [...] MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison with MR> FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field (my MR> preference), etc. MR> MR> Pretty stupid. Seconded. I speak as one who has written plenty of programs that do DosFind{First,Next,Close}, which have nary a problem with directories having the archive bit set. But then I have a fair amount of experience of some of the unusual, yet perfectly legal, things that various PC applications and utilities have done over the years which any decent tool should be designed to cope with, such as directories created with the archive and system bits set, filenames that contain unusual characters such as "{" and "}", and so forth. ( Actually, come to think of it, how do the programs that break when any bit but the directory bit is set on a directory cope with directories such as C:\Nowhere, which has been a standard part of OS/2 since version 2.0 ? ) ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 18-Nov-99 11:58:10 To: Daniela Engert 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions JdBP>> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify JdBP>> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-: DE> What's wrong with the current logic? As previously discussed at length in this thread, the current logic fails to correctly recognise and handle the case where there is more than one type 0x partition in the primary MBR. Notice the `found' variable, how it is set, and what its effect is, for example. Compare this code with the code in DR-DOS, FreeDOS, and linux that I gave pointers to in a previous message. This may not be a common occurrence when OS/2 is installed onto a blank hard disc, but given that every other PC operating system appears to support this situation, and that Windows NT's Disk Administrator allows one to easily create such configurations (which I suspect is another subtle method of undermining OS/2, since I'm sure that Microsoft would be aware that OS/2 Warp doesn't support this configuration), it is certainly one that OS2DASD.DMD should support. DE> And - assuming you have both the tools and the sources available - why DE> don't you just go ahead and try it yourself? For three reasons: 1. I have no history, as far as the public at large is concerned, of modifying base device drivers. You have. People trust you. And if you don't want to do it, the second best choice would be Henk Kelder, who *already has* produced modified OS2DASD.DMDs before now (to make it recognise type 0B and 0C partitions so that his FAT32 IFS driver works). 2. I actually *don't* have the source. I only have what is on the OS/2 Warp 4 DDK CD-ROM, which is the OS2DASD.DMD source prior to the modifications made to support removable partitionable media. Unfortunately, Henk Kelder appears to be in the same boat, which is why you are the primary choice, since you have appear to have access to later sources. 3. I already have a rather large project on the go right now. I don't have the time to invest in setting up and learning to use the arcane 16-bit tools and development environment necessary to build 16-bit OS/2 device drivers. I strongly suspect that the people who are eagerly awaiting the first release of my project would rather than I concentrated on with it rather than take on board yet *another* project, especially this one. I've done as much as I can by locating the root cause of the bug in OS2DASD.DMD, the functions that are involved, and coming up with a general outline of how it could be fixed. It's now up to someone else to come along and modify OS2DASD.DMD, recompile and release it, and take all of the credit and glory. DE> Thinking about improving OS2DASD I'd rather like to support type 0F DE> extended partitions to remove the hassles of the MICROS~1 DE> idiosyncrasies. Indeed. That could very well be done along the way. It's the same piece of code that needs altering. As I said: credit and glory. Tempted yet ? (-: DE> And, instead of changing the sources, finding a patch to do that is DE> better IMHO because it most likely will work with future fixpacks as well. I disagree. This isn't the sort of change that one can introduce by patching a few small sequences of machine code. One has to move a loop from one function to a completely different one, change the logic of the loop somewhat so that it doesn't terminate prematurely, and add a new parameter to be passed to a function (which involves both changing the two places where the function is called and changing the internal logic of the function to use the parameter as an array index). The underlying machine code will change significantly. This is the sort of patch that can only reasonably done by modifying the source and recompiling. One would spend weeks if not months if one approached it from the direction of modifying the object code directly. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 10:31:07 To: Larry Snider 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Tutorial RN>>> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend. RN>>> RN>>> Just where is it kept ???? jdbp>> [C:\]which tutorial jdbp>> 15-08-1996 02:58:58 pm 62946 8136 _____A C:\OS2\TUTORIAL.EXE jdbp>> jdbp>> [C:\]ver jdbp>> jdbp>> 4OS2 3.01A OS/2 Version is 4.00 jdbp>> jdbp>> [C:\] LS> Is which a 4OS2 ver 3 command? I don't have it in ver 2.50. It isn't a 4OS2 command at all. It's one of the utilities in the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0 . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WHERE TO FIND OS2CLU ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ The OS2CLU02 distribution archive (available as both OS2CLU02.ZIP and OS2CLU02.RAR, to cater to different tastes) can be File Requested by anyone at any time of the day from the following Fidonet nodes: 1:109/921.0 TSR BBS in the U.S. 2:257/609.0 Air Applewood BBS in the U.K. 1:17/23.0 Marsh BBS in Canada It is also available on any Fidonet site around the world that carries the Fidonet file distribution echo that is hosted by Fernwood BBS in the U.S.. It can also be found on the Hobbes FTP site run by New Mexico State University in the U.S., and on the LEO FTP site in Germany. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 10:36:05 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: fdisk /query MR> OS/2 may see all of the drives now, booted from floppy, but it will MR> not work when you install Boot Manager. And given that she has filled all four slots in the primary MBR already, she won't be able to install Boot Manager in the first place. MR> The only possible exception is if you don't install Boot Manager at MR> all, and install OS/2 on the first primary partition, leaving all MR> other partitions as type 0x06. OS/2 may then see and use all drives, [...] No it won't. That's why I'm proposing changes to OS2DASD.DMD in another thread. OS/2, or rather OS2DASD.DMD, only sees the *first* type 0X partition in any MBR. (It loops from 0 to 3 correctly, but it sents a `found' flag that terminates the loop prematurely if it actually finds anything.) In Linda's case, where all four entries in the primary MBR are type 06, OS2DASD.DMD will see the first one, assign it a drive letter, and ignore all of the rest, because as soon as it sees an entry with a type that it understands, it stops looking at the remaining entries. I still cannot confirm the behaviour of MS-DOS and PC-DOS (although for the reasons that I gave in a previous message, along with the reports earlier from John Thompson that MS/PC-DOS does indeed recognise multiple visible primary partitions, I strongly suspect that it is the same as the rest) but *every other* PC operating system that I have been able to experiment with or read the source code for, including Windows NT, FreeDOS, DR-DOS, and linux, does *not* stop processing the partition entries in the MBR until it has processed *all four* of them. There's a strong case for OS2DASD.DMD simply being wrong here. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 10:38:15 To: Darren Hamilton 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: FileStar/2 Assumptions JR> I have looked at the code and it is correct as far as I am concerned. JR> It may be 'too simplistic' to depend on OS/2 programming APIs, of JR> which some are 'badly programmed', to get things right but most of us do. The problem here is that Jim Read hasn't understood either the history or the purpose of DosQueryAppType. He's thinking that it reports the "type of the application". It doesn't. It reports the information that is required so that the command interpreter, or indeed any other program, can decide how to execute the application. It reports the "type of the executable file format". The "32-bit" flag, FAPPTYP_32BIT, does *not* mean that the application contains 32-bit code, which is the implication (to users who aren't programmers) of the display by FileStar/2, any more than the FAPPTYP_NOTWINDOWCOMPAT flag means that the application contains code to use the physical video buffer directly. FAPPTYP_NOTWINDOWCOMPAT simply means that the application *could* be not window compatible. The IBM command interpreter automatically forces the use of a full-screen session for such applications. The FAPPTYP_32BIT flag was introduced in the move to the 32-bit API in OS/2 2.0. What it *actually* indicates is that the application is in the new (at the time) "32-bit" executable format, the Linear Executable format. OS/2 version 1.x only understands NE (which, ironically, stands for "New Executable") format executable files. But the beauty of the LX executable format was that it could be used for *both* 32-bit *and* 16-bit applications. The FAPPTYP_32BIT flag, and all of the other flags, are there to indicate how the command interpreter should attempt to run the application. An application with the FAPPTYP_NOTWINDOWCOMPAT flag set should be started in a full-screen session, *just in case*. An application with the FAPPTYP_32BIT flag set should, similarly, only be run on OS/2 version 2.0 or later, because OS/2 1.x won't understand the LX executable file format, and that is what the flag means. It *doesn't* mean that the application itself is 32-bit. As I said before, take a look at the actual contents of CMD.EXE with a tool such as EXEHDR or TDUMP. You'll find that it is a classic example of a purely 16-bit application in "Linear Executable" executable file format. *All* of the sections in the executable are under 64KiB in size, they *all* have the "16:16 ALIAS" flag set meaning that they must be loaded into tiled memory, and *all* of the fixups are "16:16 ALIAS" (or "offset16") fixups. (Indeed, *all* of the fixups are to 16-bit system calls, if you care to check their ordinals.) The fact that FileStar/2 says that CMD.EXE is "32-bit", simply because the FAPPTYP_32BIT flag is set, is highly misleading to the non-programmer. Programmers will know that the "32-bit" designation refers to the executable file format (and that, strictly speaking, the LX format is classed as mixed 16-bit/32-bit -- as opposed to, say, the PE format which is purely 32-bit -- so FileStar/2 is still not strictly correct). Non-programmers will think that it means that the *application itself* is 32-bit, exactly as you did. If FileStar/2 wanted to do things properly, to eliminate this confusion, it would display executables without the FAPPTYP_32BIT flag set as "NE format" and executables with the FAPPTYP_32BIT flag set as "LX format", because that is what the flag actually means. If it's any encouragement to Jim, this would be one in the eye for FM/2 and Stardock Process Commander. If someone were to come along in the future saying "application X is 32-bit, because FM/2 and Stardock Process Commander both tell me that it is", we could then respond by saying "Not according to FileStar/2 it isn't. FileStar/2 says that it *might* be 32-bit, but that it could equally well be 16-bit, or a 32-bit/16-bit hybrid. And FileStar/2 gets this stuff right, unlike FM/2 and Stardock Process Commander.". (-: To briefly return to the initial topic of this thread, then: The CMD.EXE shipped by IBM with all versions of OS/2, up to and including OS/2 Warp 4 with the latest fixpack, and almost certainly including WSfeB as well, is an entirely 16-bit program, despite the erroneous information displayed by programs such as the current version of FileStar/2. It's another 16-bit vestige in OS/2 Warp 4 that is in need of replacement. JP Software's 4OS2 is a mixed 32-bit/16-bit hybrid. But there does exist a pure 32-bit CMD, for 32-bit OS/2, that contains no 16-bit code whatsoever. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 10:46:11 To: Lee Aroner 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Deskarc List LA> I'm guessing that the 21 byte section header contains a date and LA> time, and undoubtedly something else, but what? I'll have a go LA> at decoding the date/time part tomorro. LA> I'll also post a structure tomorrow. Excellent! Thank you! ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 11:24:16 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: fdisk /query JDBP>> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK. JDBP>> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical JDBP>> drive that aren't assigned to any partition. The irony is that JDBP>> with the scheme chosen by Linda's guru, this space is completely JDBP>> unusable, since no more partitions can be created on the disc. JDBP>> (Although one wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was JDBP>> created short like this. Perhaps a side effect of creating the JDBP>> partition using a hex editor on the partition table and doing the JDBP>> arithmetic incorrectly ? (-:) MR> It might have been FDISK that did the bad math. One of my drives has MR> 7MB of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive MR> defined. FDISK did it, not me. The 7MeB of space is almost certainly the 2 cylinders that have to separate the primary MBR from the secondary MBR at the start of the "logical drive" defined by the extended partition entry in the primary MBR, and the secondary MBR from the start of the actual partition contained in that "logical drive". FDISK *has* to arrange things in such a way because one of the rules of the partition table seems to be that partition creation programs must align all partitions to cylinder boundaries. That's not what is happening in Linda's case. She doesn't have *any* extended partition. There's no room to create one. All four entries in her primary MBR are already filled with other things. Given that her guru created this setup by hand editing the primary MBR in hex with Norton Utilities (as Linda said a few messages back), I strongly suspect that my hypothesis of incorrect arithmetic in calculating the sizes is in fact the case here. On the other hand, it may just be an artifact of geometry translation. We'll know for certain when Linda posts the output of PARTLIST for us. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 11:40:09 To: Linda Proulx 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: fdisk /query JdP>> The output of PARTLIST, when Linda posts it, will give the raw MBR JdP>> contents, which should demonstrate even more clearly how many JdP>> visible primary partitions she has. LP> Feel silly but can't find the program with Partlist in it. Sigh. Download OS2CLU02.ZIP (or OS2CLU02.RAR) from your favourite files site (Andy Roberts also has it on his system). Unpack PARTLIST.EXE and OS2CLU02.DLL with UNZIP (or RAR), placing them somewhere accessible (such as a FAT partition on the hard disc). Boot OS/2 (if you aren't actually doing this from within OS/2). If you are booting from the installation floppies, shell out to the command line with F3 when prompted to do so. Run PARTLIST, redirecting the output to file. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 12:02:16 To: Linda Proulx 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Partlist LP> Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran Partlist. LP> Error statement - could not find file PMGPI. For a temporary workaround, change to the C:\OS2\DLL directory and run the program. For a permanent fix, use the new OS2CLU02.DLL and PARTLIST.EXE that Andy is about to send to you. Congratulations! You have discovered a small three line cut and paste error that everyone else, I included, missed. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 13:17:19 To: Linda Proulx 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: fdisk /query LP>>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP>>> LP>>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP>>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP>>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP>>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP>>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP>>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP>>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP>>> **BIOS: 504MB JdP>> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK. JdP>> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical JdP>> [disc that aren't used by any partition.] LP> O is a DOS double space drive. There is no O: listed above. We are only concerned with, and FDISK only displays, partitions. A DoubleSpace drive is not a partition. JdP>> [One] wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short JdP>> like [this.] LP> It was what was left over. That's all. According to the above display from FDISK, there are 5MeB *still* left over. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 20-Nov-99 09:44:12 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... Hi MIKE, On 18-Nov-99, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD: DD>> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 DD>> only see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted. JDBP>> I have a 8.49GiB (9.1GB) drive and OS/2 sees all of it just JDBP>> fine. Aha! Jonathan, although he doesn't say so here, has SCSI HDs, and I suspect Dave has ATA ones. These are the ones where this was an issue, because the drive makers were fiddling with the way LBA was implemented (and so changing the ATA spec) to support larger and larger drives faster than IBM could update their driver to support the various schemes. The most recent release of the ATA drivers _does_ support them - but it took time :-(. SCSI has been good up to 64 Gig (the max OS/2 volume size possible) since OS/2 V2 (and possibly before, but I've no experience of OS/2 1.x) JDBP>> The issue with drive sizes is a complex one, and I don't really JDBP>> have the time to type in a full explanation here. But here are JDBP>> two points that should start you going in the right direction: JDBP>> þ The size limits on bootable partitions are imposed by the JDBP>> antiquated BIOS API for accessing hard discs (which is, of JDBP>> course, the only way to access hard discs before an operating JDBP>> system has booted). The absolute maximum size of disc that is JDBP>> "visible" via the BIOS API is 1024 cylinders * 255 tracks * 63 JDBP>> sectors, which is around 7.84GiB (8.42GB). All boot files and JDBP>> partitions for all operating systems, or at least the portions JDBP>> of those operating systems that are read before the operating JDBP>> system's own disc device drivers kick in, must fit within the JDBP>> first 1024 cylinders. MR> Is there some reason that 0 is an invalid number for heads (AKA MR> tracks/cylinder) and sectors/track? If there isn't, then that MR> should be 1024*256*64, which comes out to exactly 8GiB (trying MR> them on for size), provided the drive uses 512-byte sectors (as MR> almost all do these days). It's a valid number for heads, Jonathan has got it slightly wrong (a rare event so note it down - but see below), afaiaa the BIOS INT13 C/H/S access call limits are:- Cylinders 0 to 1023 = 1024 Heads 0 to 255 = 256 Sectors 1 to 63 = 63 It's only the sector numbers that are one based, and I don't know the explanation but it's probably back in the mists of time at IBM when they introduced the first floppy drives as a boot medium on their machines (Murray may have some ideas). *However* according to Ralf Brown's Interrupt List the headcount is often limited to a max of 255 by the BIOS because of a bug in MSDOS (all versions including the V7 underlying Win 95) which prevents booting if there are 256 heads (which is why Jonathan is only _slightly_ wrong ). MR> Of course, that doesn't address the issue of drives larger than MR> 8GB. No, it can't :-). MR> The BIOS's which are capable of supporting such drives actually MR> support the entire drive, through a translation scheme I have yet MR> to find any information about. LBA (Logical Block Access) - They have a totally separate scheme which uses sector number to access the drive (see below). MR> The normal scheme is to double the heads and half the cylinders, MR> but that stops working at 8GB (as it obvious). That form of translation on ATA (or IDE if you insist) drives over 504 MB is used as the ATA C/H/S addressing scheme is limited to _16_ heads (according to Ralf Brown's Interrupt List it's for compatibility with the then standard Western Digital WD1003 controller for ST506 interface drives which could only support 16 heads). The alternative for drives over 504 MB is to use LBA addressing (which is the only way for drives over 8 GB). MR> The new BIOS's can see the entire drive as one volume. I just MR> don't know how they do it. Two things :-) First: The ATA spec was modified (several times with various different approaches along the way by different manufacturers) to support LBA rather than C/H/S drive access. LBA identifies the block (sector?) required by absolute number and will now handle drives > 8Gig, but I don't have the ATA specs and don't know the current upper limit (maybe Daniella will tell us - I know she has a copy). Second: See Ralf Brown's Interrupt List. There are IBM/MS extensions to work with absolute block (sector?) numbers. The block number is passed in a quad word (64 bit), so it should be good for a long time.... Int 13H function 42H - Extended read Int 13H function 43H - Extended write Int 13H function 44H - Verify sectors Int 13H function 45H - Lock/unlock drive Int 13H function 46H - Eject media Int 13H function 47H - Extended seek Int 13H function 48H - Get drive parameters George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 10:45:13 To: Andy Roberts 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Partlist LP>> Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran Partlist. LP>> Error statement - could not find file PMGPI. LP>> Sorry folks. It won't work. AR> You probably forgot OS2CLU02.DLL It was a bona fide bug, I'm embarrassed to say. You've already received the new pre-release with the bug fixed. Indeed, you've probably already read the change log that I sent along with the pre-release, noticed that it applied to Linda, realised that she had encountered a bug, and sent her the new OS2CLU02.DLL. So I don't know why I'm even writing this. (-: ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 12:55:11 To: Andrew Belov 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: odin-19991112 AB> The error message is always SYS0182 referencing USER32->PMWINX.1022, That means that you don't have the latest PMWINX.DLL. Since PMWINX.DLL is part of "Open32", that means in turn that you don't have the latest Open32. Which means in turn that you haven't applied a recent OS/2 Warp 3 fixpack. ( I couldn't tell you the exact minimum OS/2 Warp 3 fixpack number for the most recent Open32 updates. Someone here who is still using OS/2 Warp 3 might be able to, though. ) ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 13:04:17 To: Murray Lesser 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall PK>> No, you are getting distracted again. Once the OS/2 Desktop is >> visible, then the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and has >> absolutely NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. The "stop working" >> referred to above refers to when the BIOS is in control of the >> Keyboard/Mouse during the initial boot process. ML> Not entirely true when running in a VDM. According to the IBM ML> manual "OS/2 V3 Virtual Device Driver Reference," most VDM keyboard ML> support (particularly INT 16H) still uses the BIOS. From the CD-ROM ML> Online Library - OS/2 Collection for January 1996: ML> ML> "Since the BIOS INT 16h service only references the BIOS data area ML> for keystrokes, the BIOS continues to provide this service." Or, in other words: "Since it doesn't actually touch the hardware in any way, and relies on the keyboard buffer managed in the BDA, which is filled by the VKBD.SYS device driver, we didn't see any reason to write a protected mode VDD when we could just let DOS applications call the 8086 mode code located in the BIOS ROM." Or, in yet other words still: "This cannot possibly be the cause of the keyboard or mouse `freezing'." INT 16h doesn't really qualify as "keyboard support". It's actually quite a high-level part of the system in many respects. In a VDM on OS/2, the keyboard hardware is completely under the control of the native OS/2, protected mode, physical keyboard device driver, IBMKBD.SYS. It is this that actually "supports the keyboard" on OS/2. It communicates with VKBD.SYS, which takes keystrokes intended for the VDM and places them into the buffer in the BDA in the VDM's memory space. INT 16h merely pulls the first entry out of that buffer. Peter was right. INT 16h in a VDM is nothing but a distraction in this particular case. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 13:05:08 To: Will Honea 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: fdisk /query WH> Waste of space, but that's what happens when you cobble a kludge WH> on top of a kludge to maintain legacy compatibility. A man after my own heart! (-: Wouldn't it be nice if we had a modern FDISK that *didn't* align partitions to cylinder boundaries ? OS/2 would have no trouble with it. A disk containing one big extended partition would need exactly two sectors for the partition table, right at the start of the disk. And there wouldn't be any place for MBR viruses to hide any more, either. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 13:17:22 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: fdisk /query MR> Now, if we could kill the convention of assigning letters to primary MR> partitions first, things could be a lot easier. What mechanism *would* you have to assign drive letters, then ? Windows NT does it by having a table stored in its registry, which maps drive letters to partitions. But I would object to this sort of solution, simply because the registry is not in an easily accessible format should one want to repair or alter this table (when booted from a recovery boot floppy, for example). Personally, I would lean towards a CONFIG.SYS directive: DRIVELETTERS=C:0,1;D:0,2;E:0,3;F:1,1;G:1,2;H:1,3 But that raises the thorny questions of what to do when not all partitions are covered by the information given in the directive, and what to do when the directive is missing altogether. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20-Nov-99 13:39:02 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Multiple visible primary MR> Recall Linda Proulx's posting of her FDISK /QUERY output, from booting MR> with floppy disks on a system which doesn't have OS/2 installed yet. MR> MR> All of the primary partitions were seen and assigned drive letters, in MR> order. By *FDISK*, yes. But what FDISK displays doesn't necessarily match what OS/2 *does*. After all, FDISK will display the drive letter assignments as they would be after changes have been made but before they have been saved to disc. Obviously FDISK isn't querying the operating system for the drive letter assignments, because it has to cope with the case where the current state of the partition table in memory doesn't actually match the current state of the partition table on disc. FDISK has its own letter assignment code, and I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't coded *correctly*. After all, OS/2 FDISK has descended from the DOS FDISK, albeit indirectly, and as has already been established we know that DOS (and so obviously DOS tools such as FDISK) is quite capable of handling multiple visible primary partitions. The acid test is to set up multiple visible primary partitions on a hard disc and see what OS2DASD.DMD does. From inspection of the code for OS2DASD.DMD, it won't do the right thing. But we don't really *need* to do this because Linda has already done it. And as she reported, "OS/2 doesn't see my DOS C: partition". Many people have told her "Of course it doesn't! Boot Manager hides all but one of the primary partitions!", failing, of course, to notice that she *doesn't actually have* Boot Manager installed. (There's no room for it, for one thing.) They've attributed the behaviour that she has observed to completely the wrong thing. MR> While I can't verify it absolutely without running a test that I'm not MR> keen to spend the time on, I'd say Boot Manager is the only thing MR> standing in the way of OS/2 always recognizing primary partitions in MR> that manner. Specifically, when a partition is chosen to boot from on MR> a given drive, all other primary partitions are set to invalid types, MR> to hide them. Sadly, the hiding of partitions by multiboot utilities (and Boot Manager is far from the only utility to operate this way) is but one obstacle to partitioning one's disc in the way that MS-DOS version 2.0 users used to have to. (-: The problem in OS2DASD.DMD is another. It is also the more significant one, since one can always *not use* Boot Manager and switch operating systems by changing the active flag around if one has multiple visible primary partitions. (Again, this is what people in the early days of DOS used to do. It is, I suspect, what Linda's guru intended for her to do. It's a fair guess that she has some instructions somewhere given to her by her guru that describe in detail how to change the active partition using FDISK in DOS in order to boot all of these different operating systems.) But even if one does so, one will still hit the problem of OS2DASD.DMD not assigning drive letters correctly. MR> If OS/2 were installed on the first primary partition, with no Boot MR> Manager, it'd probably boot and see all drives normally. No. This is the bug in OS2DASD.DMD. It would only see the *first* primary partition (on each physical disc), and simply ignore the rest. The irony is that if OS/2 happened not to be installed in the first primary partition, it wouldn't even be able to see its own boot volume. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:42:23 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Phoenix INT 13h Extensions JdBP> The problem with the INT 13h Extensions is threefold: Not all JdBP> BIOSes implement these extensions, not all BIOSes implement these JdBP> extensions correctly, and not all operating system vendors have JdBP> caught up. The fact that not all BIOSes implement these extensions correctly shows up when one tries to use these extensions as standard for everything, by the way. The BIOS on my machine here has a bug in its INT 13h extensions implementation, for example. It works just fine for BIOS units 80 and above, but goes wrong when used for BIOS units 00 to 7F (at least when those units are ATAPI devices). It reads more sectors than specified by the sector count passed to it, overwriting memory that it should not as a result. Of course, one way of solving this is to have a special boot sector used only for floppy discs that uses the standard INT 13h API. Windows NT is one operating system that can quite easily get away with this scheme, for instance, since because with Windows NT one has to jump through several hoops to make a bootable floppy disc *anyway*, adding one more whereby one has to specify a special floppy boot sector is not, comparatively, that much more of a hardship. It is much more difficult to get away with this scheme on OS/2 should one want to, since it is comparatively very easy to create customised bootable OS/2 floppy discs. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:43:01 To: Stewart Buckingham 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: 00GLOBAL.TXT to PC-BOARD SB> Something in REXX would certainly be a bonus for all OS/2 PCBOARD SB> sysops, not just Holger. Well if Holger can describe how the PC-BOARD file description format actually works, I'm sure that someone in the OS2REXX echo will be up to the challenge of writing a REXX script to do the conversion. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:44:26 To: Tony Pater 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Ispell ? TP> I've done re-installs, using defaults etcetera but TP> to no avail ... it keeps flashing up an error message TP> when invoked to the effect that 'a non-recognised TP> command in 'Termcap.Dat'. Ah, termcap! Another UNIX mechanism derived from the silly and antiquated "you users are really all 1960s teletypes" paradigm that UNIX uses, that leaks onto OS/2 because UNIX programmers either don't use curses properly or the people who port the tools use curses libraries that are just straight code ports, rather than ones where the effort has been put in to make them use OS/2's console subsystems (VIO and KBD) as they properly should do. The first thing to do, if this were a UNIX system, would be to check the value of the TERM environment variable that the `lspell' process is inheriting from its parent. It should probably be some variant on "ansi". Then check the value of the TERMCAP environment variable to ensure that it points to the TERMCAP.DAT file. Then GREP the TERMCAP.DAT file for the entry corresponding to the value of the TERM environment variable. The entry will probably be wrapped onto multiple lines by using slash characters at the end of the line, so use something like "/O,10" as an option to GREP to list the 10 lines subsequent to the matching one as well (or some other number of your choice). In other words: SET TERM DIR %TERMCAP% GREP /O,10 %TERM% %TERMCAP% Then read the termcap(3) man pages to try and work out what the gibberish actually means and why lspell doesn't like it. (-: ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:45:24 To: Murray Lesser 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: The 80486 "requirement" ML> According to the books, it takes more (minimum) RAM to run Warp 4 ML> than it did to run Warp 3 (but 20 MB should be more than sufficient) ML> and at least a 80486 chip (which you have), [...] An 80486 (or equivalent, such as a AMD or Cyrix 5x86) is not a *requirement*, however. It would be for OS/2 SMP, but it isn't for the uniprocessor kernel. Apparently, from the discussions that ensued when this first became known several years ago, the 80486 "requirement" is nothing more than the fact that IBM switched on the "optimise for the 486" flag to the compiler. Previously it had been optimising for the 80386. When one generates code optimised for the 486, compilers schedule instructions slightly differently (to better use the pipelining that is in the 80486), but they don't actually use any instructions that aren't also available on the 80386. (There aren't any, really, that are of any practical use outside of certain very specialised areas like SMP.) ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:51:04 To: Herbert Rosenau 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Clunker update JdBP>> "Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has JdBP>> been, and has always had multiple input queues, JdBP>> one per application thread." HR> Yeah! But it has a *single* System Message Queue. This one is that HR> accepts events from keyboard and mouse. The multiple application HR> message queues are the other side. And as Mike Ruskai pointed out, that queue is *not* locked and *not* the cause of the problem. It doesn't have to be locked. When a thread that is executing WinGetMsg() takes a message from the raw input queue, it only needs to lock the queue whilst it is extracting the message. It doesn't need to hold the queue locked once it has the message, which means that it isn't preventing other threads from accessing the raw input queue immediately afterwards whilst it goes away and calls WinDispatchMsg(). In any case, if this *were* a problem with the raw input queue, it would be a problem on Windows NT as well, because Windows NT *also* has a single raw input queue. But Windows NT is famous for *not* having a "SIQ problem", therefore the problem is not caused by there being a single raw input queue. As I said, the letter 'S' in "SIQ" *does* *not* *stand* *for* *"single"*. Your explanation of how the raw input queue is blocked HR> If you PM application is in thread 1 working on a message HR> received from PM no other system message can and will be HR> processed until this application thread returns to PM. Therfore HR> the single system message queue is blocked. No event can go to HR> any other application or thread from there. is simply wrong. As, too, is your understanding of how PM applications work: HR> If the PM receives an event foran PM application it will search HR> in its list to find which application ownes the focus. Then HR> this event is put (from system message queue) into the HR> applications message queue. After that the PM calls itself HR> the application to handle that message. Now the application HR> controls the PM until it returns. After return the PM showns HR> into the system message queue for the next message it received HR> from keyboard/mouse to call the same or another application HR> with that message. In almost every respect your explanation is entirely backwards. Presentation Manager (and indeed Windows and the Macintosh) are "pull event" systems not "push event" systems. You seem to think that PMSHELL.EXE *is* Presentation Manager, and that it pushes events to other applications. This is rubbish. PMSHELL.EXE is simply the first application that uses the Presentation Manager library that happens to run. PMSHELL.EXE *is not* Presentation Manager. PMSHELL.EXE is the Workplace Shell *application*, that just happens to *use* Presentation Manager. There is no single process that contains Presentation Manager. You cannot point to an executable and say "that is the PM server process". PM is not X. It doesn't *have* a single server process that pushes events out to all other processes. Presentation Manager is a co”perative effort of all of the applications that use the PM library to present a graphical user interface. And it uses a "pull event" paradigm. Threads call WinGetMsg(), and pull any events that they are interested in from various places. (WM_PAINT events, for example, are in fact generated on the fly internally within WinGetMsg(). They don't sit in the thread's message queue at all. This is why multiple WinInvalidateRect() calls might only result in a single WM_PAINT message.) WinGetMsg() pulls messages from the raw keyboard input queue if it notices that it is the thread that owns the window with the input focus for the current desktop. It pulls messages out of the thread's message queue that have been posted to it with WinPostMsg(). It pulls any messages that have been sent to it by other threads with WinSendMsg(). Presentation Manager doesn't "call the application" and push events onto it. The application's threads call the Presentation Manager library's WinGetMsg() function and *pull* events from various places, which they then distribute to their individual window functions by then calling WinDispatchMsg(). Moreover, your idea that the application "returns back to PM" whereupon PM unlocks the raw input queue and goes on to process the next message is also completely backwards. The synchronous nature of the "Synchronous Input Queue" problem is not that the raw input queue is locked. It *isn't* locked once WinGetMsg() has returned (PM returns to the application, not the other way around, by the way.) and the application is deciding what to do with the message that it has obtained. The synchronous nature of the SIQ problem is that focus change processing is synchronous. (I admit that I wasn't too clear about this in my previous message. But this isn't the OS2PROG echo where one normally goes into this sort of detail.) All of the WM_ACTIVATE, WM_FOCUS, and WM_SETSELECTION messages that result from WinFocusChange() are sent synchronously, as if by WinSendMsg(). This means that the focus change will block partway through changing the focus if one of the currently active windows isn't calling WinGetMsg() frequently, or at all. (You'll notice that you'll never see a known "bad" application lock Presentation Manager if you never give it the input focus or make any of its windows active.) The "desynchronisation" fix in OS/2 Warp is to modify WinFocusChange() so that the message sending will time out after a fixed period. (There's no timeout parameter to WinSendMsg() so it must be using an internal, not publically accessible, function to do this.) If a thread refuses to process and acknowledge a WM_ACTIVATE, WM_SETSELECTION, or WM_SETFOCUS message within that time, WinFocusChange() simply acts as if the message *had* been acknowledged, and also marks the offending (WC_FRAME) window as "unresponsive" (and paints a border around it) in case the same thing were to happen in the future. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:52:04 To: Herbert Rosenau 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: DETACH JdBP>> To be honest, I don't see any reason for keeping this check in JdBP>> PM, and I wish that IBM would remove it. It's a kludge that JdBP>> tries to create, with smoke and mirrors, the effect that there JdBP>> are different "types" of sessions when in fact there aren't. JdBP>> OS/2 Warp would be much more useful *without* this kludge, JdBP>> because programs could then use a combination of PM and JdBP>> text-mode if they wanted to. HR> They can! HR> HR> The only thing a programmer has to do is to HR> HR> - write a multithreaded VIO program HR> - link with a PM DLL HR> HR> then if he would any PM ineraction he starts a thread that calls the HR> DLL and this can interact with PM as it likes. Maybe you should have tried this before posting. If you had, you would have found that WinCreateMsgQueue() returns an error if Presentation Manager detects that the process type in the PIB is for a windowed or full-screen VIO process. WinInitialize() will create an anchor block, but a text-mode process, because of this check, will fail if it tries to do anything that involves sending messages at any stage, because it doesn't have a message queue. So, in fact, programs cannot use a combination of PM and text. Try it and see for yourself. What you describe is how things *should* happen and how I, for one, *want* them to happen. But currently they do not happen this way, because of a purely arbitrary check on the process type made by the Presentation Manager library during initialisation. For those unfamiliar with the mechanisms of PM, this can have surprising results. WinQueryWindowText() doesn't work when used by a text-mode application, for instance. This is surprising to the PM novice, until he reads the PM reference and finds that WinQueryWindowText() simply calls WinSendMsg() with WM_QUERYWINDOWPARAMS behind the scenes. The WinSendMsg() fails, of course, because the text-mode application doesn't have a message queue. This is one of the reasons why I made WINSIGHT, in the OS/2 Command Line Utilities version 2.0, a graphical program. (WINSIGHT displays a tree comprising all of the PM windows in the system, including their handles, owner threads, window classes, and window text.) I couldn't make WINSIGHT a text-mode program because any attempt it made to query the text for a window would fail in that case. There is a well-known technique known as "process morphing" that can bypass the check that PM makes, by the simple tecnique of writing a different value into the PIB. But this renders the information in the PIB worthless, and brings us back to my point that this check in PM should be removed. If the process type field in the PIB can be any arbitrary value, why is PM even checking it in the first place ? As I said before: JdBP>> If Presentation Manager didn't have this check in it, PMCMD JdBP>> would actually be able to display graphical windows as normal, JdBP>> *as well as* be able to print messages to its standard output JdBP>> and have them displayed on the session's console. There JdBP>> wouldn't be this artificial distinction between "text mode JdBP>> programs" and "graphical programs". There would just be JdBP>> programs, which could choose to use the session's console to JdBP>> display a textual user interface or choose to use the JdBP>> Presentation Manager graphics library to display a graphical JdBP>> windowing user interface, or even choose to do both. A text-mode WINSIGHT program would be trivial in this case. You responded to the above paragraph by saying HR> It is a problem of PM (pmshell.exe) to hold full control over screen, HR> mouse, keyboard not of OS/2. Again, from this /non sequitur/ it is clear that you really don't understand what Presentation Manager is. Let me re-iterate, just to drive the point home: PMSHELL.EXE *is* *not* *Presentation* *Manager*. Who said that it *was* an OS/2 problem, anyway ? Nowhere in anything that I wrote did I say that this was anything at all to do with the OS/2 kernel. Indeed, I explicitly made the point that the OS/2 kernel itself makes *no* distinction whatsoever between "text mode" and "graphical" processes. This was the whole point that I was making. That's why the distinction made by PM is so arbitrary. As I keep saying, the problem is a check in Presentation Manager, that imposes an artificial distinction where there is no *actual* distinction, and that should be removed. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:55:25 To: MIKE RUSKAI 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Phoenix INT 13h Extensions MR> Is there some reason that 0 is an invalid number for heads (AKA MR> tracks/cylinder) and sectors/track? If there isn't, then that should MR> be 1024*256*64, which comes out to exactly 8GiB (trying them on for MR> size), provided the drive uses 512-byte sectors (as almost all do MR> these days). It isn't an invalid number. It simply means 0 rather than 256. I agree with you that this is unfortunate, since one would never *want* 0. But there it is. MR> Of course, that doesn't address the issue of drives larger than 8GB. I take it that you mean 8GiB. 8GB is 7.45GiB, of course. MR> The BIOS's which are capable of supporting such drives actually MR> support the entire drive, through a translation scheme I have yet to MR> find any information about. They don't use translation at all. In fact they don't use cylinders, heads, and sectors. There is a new API, the so-called "INT 13h extensions", promulgated by Phoenix, IBM, and Microsoft. It takes 64-bit logical block numbers as parameters. I can file attach the PDF file containing the API description to your Fidonet node if you want. This is obviously the correct solution to the 1024 cylinder problem, and the one that I champion whenever this subject comes up. All of this fuss about translation merely postponed the problem. Now that hard discs have reached and exceeded the upper limit of translation, 7.84GiB, we are seeing the same problem as was seen all those years ago when discs started to commonly exceed 504MeB. Only this time there is no convenient ugly bodge that can save the day by postponing the problem for a few years and passing it on to the next generation of hardware product managers. The problem with the INT 13h Extensions is threefold: Not all BIOSes implement these extensions, not all BIOSes implement these extensions correctly, and not all operating system vendors have caught up. The fact that not all BIOSes implement these extensions is something that one just has to accept. But it *is* the reason for not all operating system vendors (or indeed, hardly any of them) having caught up. Their boot sector and kernel loader code still uses the old INT 13h API, the one that uses cylinders, heads, and sectors, because it is the *only* API that is *guaranteed* to work on *any* arbitrary machine. If the operating system vendors were to change their boot sector and kernel loader code to use the Phoenix/IBM/Microsoft extensions, they would eliminate a large range of older machines from their market, and give themselves a reputation for "incompatibility" as well. ("I bought this operating system, and installed it on my old spare 486 to try it out before tackling my main machine, but it doesn't even get as far as booting!") It is worth noting that even operating systems as "forward thinking" as linux 2.3 is supposed to be (although I would contest that designation, given its design principles) still use the old INT 13h API. But linux is probably under more pressure than most to stick with the old broken way of doing things, since much hyperbole is made from the fact that one can "re-use old 486es by putting linux on them". Fixing the linux boot code to work properly would eliminate this possibility, and the hyperbole, and would have a severe impact upon linux hobbyists, to boot. As far as I have been able to find out, there are only three operating systems whose boot code uses the new INT 13h extensions. Two of those are Microsoft DOS-Windows 98 (and 95 OSR2) and IBM OS/2 Warp Server 5. (IBM OS/2 Warp Server 5 contains a new Boot Manager that uses the INT 13h Extensions and that can thus boot from any partition anywhere on any disk, for example.) These both avoid the problem of gaining a reputation for incompatibility in different ways. IBM OS/2 Warp Server is obviously targetted at server-class hardware, and so is unlikely to be installed on machines with older BIOSes. And people to a large degree *expect* server operating systems to be fussier than workstation ones. Microsoft DOS-Windows 95 OSR2 and DOS-Windows 98 are mainly aimed at the pre-load, rather than the retail, market (hence the designation "OEM Service Release" -- which means that this was something given to OEMs to pre-load, rather than a retail product in its own right), and so can be guaranteed, simply by the way that it is sold, that it will be used on newer machines. Of course, in a perfect world, all operating systems would change to use the new INT 13h Extensions, and this whole problem of 1024 cylinders would go away completely. Indeed, since the INT 13h Extensions don't work in terms of cylinders, heads, and sectors, making them *the* standard would also simplify the boot-time hard disc support that has to be supplied in the BIOS extension ROMs on SCSI Host Adapter cards, since SCSI natively doesn't use cylinders, heads, and sectors either. The mapping from native SCSI to what the BIOS uses would be much simpler. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 22-Nov-99 09:59:11 To: Herbert Rosenau 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: Warp3 to Win98 lan PS>> we have just bought a new system, running Win98SE. PS>> In the win95 system we had two 6.5gig hard drives which we have PS>> now installed into the new Win98 system. PS>> The problem now is that my OS/2 system reports that there is no PS>> free space on these two drives (each drive is a single fat32 PS>> partition) HR> FAT32 isn't FAT16. So you have either format the drive with FAT16 or HR> install one of the FAT32 OS/2 drivers. Or you have to networking to HR> become acces from another computer to that drive. I was confused by his message at first, too. I wondered how OS/2 could even access a disc drive that was in a *physically separate machine*. Then I read the subject line. (-: He is already using a LAN. His problem would seem to be that when accessed across the LAN, OS/2 sees plenty of free space on the drives shared by the DOS-Windows 95 system, but no free space at all on the drives shared by the new DOS-Windows 98 system. It's a pity that he didn't express it more clearly. DOS-Windows is well know for being buggy and simply not being able to cut it as a file server. It doesn't report things correctly. For example, whilst other operating systems will see long filenames just fine on volumes shared by Windows NT, on volumes shared by DOS-Windows 9x they will only see the short 8.3 filenames, because of a problem in how DOS-Windows 9x implements SMB. And it is what the fileserver tells the other systems that is important. It is the fileserver that controls what information is visible. Given that DOS-Windows 9x doesn't report long filenames in a way that other operating systems can understand, since it has implemented the SMB protocol badly, I wouldn't be surprised that it doesn't report the free space on FAT32 volumes in a way that other operating systems couldn't understand, either. Hence the reason that OS/2 Warp would be seeing no free space. It is seeing whatever the fileserver tells it, and the fileserver, DOS-Windows 98, would simply not be telling it the truth. My somewhat callous recommendation, therefore, would be to stop using the DOS-Windows 9x machines as file servers, and use some other operating system for the file server. Make the DOS-Windows 9x machines clients, instead. Of course, the first thing to check before doing so would be that what he has described to us is what is actually happening. He should use a native OS/2 tool (such as the FREE command in 4OS2 or Take Command for OS/2, or the [Details] page of the properties notebook for the drive on the WPS desktop) to measure free space and confirm that OS/2 *really is* being told that there are zero bytes free by the DOS-Windows 98 fileserver. DOS tools are almost invariably broken (the well-known 32-bit integer 2GiB problem) when it comes to measuring free space, and shouldn't be relied upon. OS/2 tools are not perfect, but the two mentioned above, at least, are far better. The problem could well be that he is using some old broken DOS tool to measure free space, which is falling over or reporting zero because the numbers are too large. In which case he need not change fileservers, and should simply throw away the DOS tool and use a decent native OS/2 tool on OS/2, instead. Since he claims that the drive sizes haven't changed, that he has simply moved the hard disc units from one machine to another, I suspect that it really is the case that DOS-Windows 98 is simply not telling the truth here, and that he really will have to change to using a different operating system for his fileserver. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: James Mckenzie 26-Nov-99 05:58:10 To: Jaap van.Veen 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: OS/2 3.0 with FP40 Hello Jaap! 23 Nov 99 20:14, Jaap van.Veen wrote to All: JV> Hallo All, JV> As I have recalled earlier, my system (486DX2 66) is much faster with JV> FP40 installed. This has to do with the faster handling of the JV> harddisk. JV> However during the regular status checks the COM1 port is not serviced JV> in time causing overruns. Does somebody know how I can avoid overrun JV> of COM1. JV> I am using SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS since the beginning of my JV> dealing with OS/2. What are your settings for COM1? James ... Windows 95: Taking a resource hungry GUI shell to a new extreme. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: OS/2 Support * Your place for OS/2 information and Files (1:15/64) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: James Mckenzie 26-Nov-99 05:59:26 To: James Byrnes 26-Nov-99 12:58:17 Subj: E-Trade Hello James! 23 Nov 99 22:26, James Byrnes wrote to all: JB> Is anyone using Communicator 4.61 to sucessfully logon to E-Trade and JB> view their portfolio? JB> I can logon and go to the portfolio tab, but if once there I try to JB> change the view, say from performance to quick, instead of being shown JB> the view I requested I am shown the logon page again. If I try to JB> logon again I am given an error message saying that I am trying to JB> logon from a page in the cache. JB> I loaded Windows and used IE 5 and it worked as it should so it is not JB> the site. JB> I booted up my other machine and tried Communicator 4.04 for OS/2 and JB> it did not work, but when I tried Netscape 2.02 for OS/2 it worked. JB> I have tried emptying the cache, both memory and disk, but it did not JB> help. JB> Does anyone have any ideas as to what is going on here? Which version of NS/2 are you using. I think that E-Trade requires a 128 bit security level or you cannot get onto the site. James ... Windows: (n) 1. Something that comes with the mouse you bought. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: OS/2 Support * Your place for OS/2 information and Files (1:15/64) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rich Wonneberger 26-Nov-99 08:31:28 To: Linda Proulx 26-Nov-99 13:44:06 Subj: Win-os2 setup *** Quoting Linda Proulx to All dated 11-25-99 *** > The original question was that on quick perusal, the Blue win file > structure looks very much the same as Win3.1X. If this is correct, why > would I not need an uninstaller as win programs will set themselves up > in the inis as before? Linda, Its been a hundred years since I used 3.x (OS/2 or MS ver). I dont recall it having a uninstal. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :} Rich I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net ... A few more questions Mr. Computer. þ Moriarity. --- * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914 783-2106 (1:2625/50) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rich Wonneberger 26-Nov-99 08:42:11 To: Gregory Urban 26-Nov-99 13:44:06 Subj: Odin and app install *** Quoting Gregory Urban to All dated 11-25-99 *** > Anyone out there figure out how to get around this? Also, anyone out > there > know how to unpack .CAB files? Gregory, If your referring to Windy .CAB files the newest version of WinZip (7.0 if not newer) opens them. Sorry I dont have a OS/2 solution. Rich I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net ... What Do You Expect To Find Down Here? --- * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914 783-2106 (1:2625/50) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 26-Nov-99 14:13:00 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 26-Nov-99 14:13:00 Subj: fdisk /query Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea on 11-20-1999 JP> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a modern FDISK that *didn't* JP> align partitions to cylinder boundaries ? OS/2 would have JP> no trouble with it. Nor would DOS 5-7, NT, or anything else I've played with. The only problem is creating the sucker in the first place! JP> A disk containing one big extended partition would need JP> exactly two sectors for the partition table, right at the JP> start of the disk. JP> JP> And there wouldn't be any place for MBR viruses to hide any more, JP> either. I know of a few virui of the boot sector ilk that actually do re-locate partition boundaries to make room to hide themselves. The downside is that these would probably over-write data if you took away their sandbox. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 25-Nov-99 22:00:00 To: Bat Lang 25-Nov-99 22:00:00 Subj: Ftp BL> I presume you are savvy that the 118 files at hursley are useable BL> ONLY if you already have installed an earlier 118? Here's from the BL> readme @ ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118 BL> BL> /***************************************************************************/ BL> BL> /* Java for OS/2 service update version JDK 1.1.8 IBM build BL> o118-19991026 */ Well, actually, I have not consciously installed 1.1.8. I distinctly remember downloading all 20 meg of 1.1.7 and installing that. BUT if I check --- [C:\]java -fullversion JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990728 (JIT enabled: javax V3. 5-IBMJDK1.1-19990728)" I get this. I did install a runtime/samples/toolkik/exe files sometime ago after installing 1.1.7. Did they update Java 1.1.7 to 1.1.8 ??? Whatever, I seem to have it almost. - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 26-Nov-99 12:35:02 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 26-Nov-99 20:16:18 Subj: Partlist Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, 20-Nov-99 10:45:26, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Andy Roberts Subject: Partlist LP>>> Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran LP>>> Partlist. Error statement - could not find file PMGPI. LP>>> Sorry folks. It won't work. AR>> You probably forgot OS2CLU02.DLL JdBP> It was a bona fide bug, I'm embarrassed to say. JdBP> You've already received the new pre-release with the bug fixed. Ok, so when is the fixed public release going to happen? JdBP> Indeed, you've probably already read the change log that I sent JdBP> along with the pre-release, noticed that it applied to Linda, JdBP> realised that she had encountered a bug, and sent her the new JdBP> OS2CLU02.DLL. So I don't know why I'm even writing this. (-: Do you want to find out if the rest of the public is going to ask you to send the fix to them too? Can you say OS2CLU21.ZIP ? I learned long ago that 99.9% of the public won't find nor complain about a miner bug for many years as long as no one else tells them about it. OTOH... You spilled the beans. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: Warp 4 engage.....----------=============>>>>>>>>>>> (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Larry Snider 26-Nov-99 13:48:20 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 26-Nov-99 23:18:03 Subj: Tutorial Hi Jonathan, 19-Nov-99 10:31:14, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Larry Snider Subject: Tutorial jdbp> The OS2CLU02 distribution archive (available as both jdbp> OS2CLU02.ZIP and OS2CLU02.RAR, to cater to different tastes) can jdbp> be File Requested by anyone at any time of the day from the jdbp> following Fidonet nodes: Got it. Very nice set of utilities. Larry Snider Larry.Snider@attglobal.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro [OS/2] * Origin: Researching:Buchanan,Cope,Masten,Stall,Thirston,Fish (1:109/921.52) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 25-Nov-99 21:58:00 To: Sean Dennis 26-Nov-99 23:18:03 Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ In a message dated 11-23-99, Sean Dennis said to Holger Granholm: Hello Sean, SD>You can use a standard term package to dial out through VModem. You SD>don't really even need MTel. :) I know that but with MTel I don't need VModem nor any "standard term package". MTel is in itself like a term package with phone book etc. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * I'm not a complete idiot... Several parts are missing! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Matti Palmstr”m 26-Nov-99 00:55:20 To: Sean Dennis 26-Nov-99 23:18:03 Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ MP> Dune! SD> Doesn't quite work that way when you want to run DOS doors under SD> OS/2 with a BBS. Yeah, I know. I was only kidding. I think it's great with your FAQ because I know a lot of newcommers seems to have problems just with SIO.. --- FMail/2 1.46 * Origin: Lyktmakargr„nd/2 (2:205/454.451) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 27-Nov-99 09:45:10 To: All 26-Nov-99 23:18:03 Subj: >2Mb drive issues. Hi Folks, While browsing around my system the other day I discovered the following piece from my \IBMLAN\IBMLAN.INI file - ======================================================================== ; 35 free disk space reported to DOS and Windows applications ; 0 = return true value (default) ; 1 = return a value less than two gigabytes ; ; The next lines help you to locate bits in the wrkheuristics entry. ; 1 2 3 4 ; 012345678901234567890123456789012345678901 wrkheuristics = 111111112131111111000101112011122100111110 ======================================================================== So if you have DOS/Windows clients accessing large volumes on an OS/2 machine across a LAN, then it appears that you can have OS/2 respond to them with an acceptable disk space value without requiring extra utilities. I haven't tried it but it may be useful to someone...........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 27-Nov-99 12:26:06 To: All 26-Nov-99 23:18:03 Subj: >2Mb drive issues. Hi Folks, While browsing around my system the other day I discovered the following piece from my \IBMLAN\IBMLAN.INI file - ======================================================================== ; 35 free disk space reported to DOS and Windows applications ; 0 = return true value (default) ; 1 = return a value less than two gigabytes ; ; The next lines help you to locate bits in the wrkheuristics entry. ; 1 2 3 4 ; 012345678901234567890123456789012345678901 wrkheuristics = 111111112131111111000101112011122100111110 ^ | Change this bit to 1! ======================================================================== So if you have DOS/Windows clients accessing large volumes on an OS/2 machine across a LAN, then it appears that you can have OS/2 respond to them with an acceptable disk space value without requiring extra utilities. I haven't tried it but it may be useful to someone...........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 26-Nov-99 17:39:00 To: Jack Stein 26-Nov-99 17:39:00 Subj: Small programs (Excerpts from a message dated 11-23-99, Jack Stein to Murray Lesser) Hi Jack-- JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was >that program I wrote way back when...." ML> I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function" ML> for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file ML> is 619 bytes. JS>I vote for OSTSR, the OS/2 Time Slice Releaser also written in ASM >by Jay Clegg. It takes up just 336 bytes of memory. ML> You are comparing apples and oranges. David's DLL lives ML> on the disk in a file containing 619 bytes. If I ask EXEHDR ML> about TELLBOOT.DLL, it tells me that it lives in 46H (70 ML> decimal) bytes of "virtual memory." JS>I was hoping you would not notice that:-) On the other hand, Davids >is an external REXX function DLL file, not a regular application, >right? Jays OSTSR is a 920 byte "standalone" .com application... >Does that count for anything? I suppose so. If you want play that way, I have a 44-byte (file size) .COM program that sets the left margin and type font on my old, wide-carriage QuickWriter printer to allow 80-character lines to be printed in 12-pitch type with a 1.25-inch left-hand binding margin. EXEHDR can't measure it, but (as a DOS program) the memory used would be 144 bytes. But Roy beat us both with his 7-byte program. End of thread? Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * User-friendly: (adj.) trivialized, slow, incapable, and boring --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +============================================================================+