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                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

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From: Andy Roberts                                      30-Sep-99 23:35:26
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: OS/2 Support

 Roy J. Tellason,

30-Sep-99 14:16:48, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Andy Roberts
 RJT> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
          Subject: OS/2 Support

 AR>> Win32s patches up until v.1.25b.

 RJT> You mention "1.25b" there, what is the latest version of that
 RJT> support that Warp can use?

That is the last.

 RJT> I'm not sure what I have here, but am fairly certain that it's earlier
 RJT> than that

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W32S125B.Zip                    10-16-95          12,832
    Win32s v.1.25b

W32S125.Exe                     03-08-96       2,287,298
    Win32s v1.25 update. Apply to Win-OS/2, then download and follow
    instructions in vw32s125.zip.

Vw32S125.Zip                    10-16-95          12,921
    BETA version of win32s 1.25 support for OS/2 WARP. README files contain
    more information.
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I'd have to look inside those files to see what is what, but there might be
some duplication or old version as well as the latest version.  The large file
probably includes the library, which is essential but often is included on CD
apps, so it may not be needed just to upgrade.

I might add that although v.1.25b is the last patch, that does not mean that
you can not run v.1.30 or v.1.35 etc apps by using some other tricks such as
manually installing the prgm or letting the setup overwrite v.1.25b and then
before running the prgm re-install v.1.25b.

 AR>> Software Choice and the ---

 RJT> Looks like something chopped your message.  More comments on part 2...

It was tossed without being truncated here, in spite of it being a rather long
msg.  So I assume it got truncated in transit.  Unless someone else has the
same problem I will not repost the last part.  Instead I have sent the whole
msg to you, Roy, via E-Mail.

BTW, I should also make a correction about the developer price for WSeB.
It might be available for D/L but it definitely comes on 7 of 13 CDs with the
$299 subscription:

--- Excerpt Aurora Mailing List ---
 > From: "D. Scott Katzer"
 > Subject: DevCon Advanced?  Re: SC charges

 > With all the ruckus about the announced changes to SWChoice, I was
 > wondering if anyone out there could compare the option of subscribing to
 > IBM's Developer Connection to get OS/2 updates, etc.?

 > With the Advanced level - $299 a year - you get:

 > http://service2.boulder.ibm.com/devcon/contents.htm

 > OS/2 Warp Server for e-business (386 HPFS PAK) (A6)
 > OS/2 Warp Server for e-business (Application Servers) (A7)
 > OS/2 Warp Server for e-business (Base Server) (A8)
 > OS/2 Warp Server for e-business (Client Pack Disk 1) (A9)
 > OS/2 Warp Server for e-business (Client Pack Disk 2) (A10)
 > OS/2 Warp Server for e-business (French Client Pack Disk 2) (A Web-only)
 > OS/2 Warp Server for e-business (Installation CD) (A11 CD-only)
 > OS/2 Warp Server for e-business (Netfinity) (A12)
 > OS/2 Warp V4 (A13 CD-only)
--- End Quote ---

You actually get a lot more than just WSeB for that $299 price, but the rest
is mostly developer tools.  I don't think that includes any T/S, but there is
the Aurora Mailing List and these OS/2 echoes for T/S.  Anyway that DevCon
$299 price is a lot less than the retail $1700.  And to be sure the Base
Server CD can be run as a stand-alone Warp5 OS.

As an official beta tester for Aurora, I'll comment that JFS and LVM are not
for the faint of heart.  I paid big $ for Graham Utilities to fix my mistake.
I didn't lose any data but I did lose some hair and some hair turned white.
And the day official testing was over was the day I went back to using Warp4.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Peter Knapper                                     02-Oct-99 00:15:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: system clock?

Hi Roy,

 PK> The "current" release is MEMSZ331.ZIP, about 640Kb.

 RJT> I don't seem to have that here.  Care to email it?

Bit of a problem with that at the moment, the BBS Email does plain text Email
messages only (makes sure the messages are small........;-)), no Mime or other
forms of file attachments supported, and I wont be back at work to send from
there for a week or so. Its available from Hobbes and other well known OS/2
sites though. Let me know if you can't get it elsewhere and I will take it to
work one day when I return.

Regards...........pk.


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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Oct-99 12:59:29
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: File Managers

Hello Rodrigo!

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
 RB> Z! dont play this: mpeg 1.0 layer I, 64kbit/s, 48000 Hz.
    Which Z!?

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... MASOCHIST: Windows SDK programmer with a smile!
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  01-Oct-99 13:01:02
  To: Roy J Tellason                                    02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: system clock?

Hello Roy!

29 Sep 99 16:43, Roy J Tellason wrote to all:
 RT> At one point here I had the "system clock" showing up on the desktop.
 RT> Not only is it not there any more,  but I can't even seem to find an
 RT> icon in the current setup to access it!
    Nice tool for lost standard objects recreation is ORC. orc100.zip
somewhere
in hobbes

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981
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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     30-Sep-99 20:31:03
  To: Bat Lang                                          02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Java 1.1.8

Bat Lang wrote on 28 Sep 1999 at 22:33 to Jaap van.Veen:

 -=> Quoting Jaap van.Veen to Bat Lang, [28 Sep 99  17:12:22] <=-

 BL>   Subj: Netscape Communicator
 BL> -------------------------------------------------------------------
 BL> ------ My last post in this thread was bemoaning the lack of a
 BL> 'continue' or 'retry' when downloading large files from IBM via NSN
 BL> 4.04. }^: At that time I was trying to get Java RT 1.1.8, which I
 BL> finally got after MANY attempts, each of which would only offer me
 BL> a Y/N option when it found the aborted stub in my x:\DOWN\ dir.

 Jv> Hello sir.... How did you manage to install JAVA 1.1.8.
 Jv> When I start FINSTALL and this asks for FISETUP it answers that the
 Jv> path I entered has no source files. Which source files is FISETUP
 Jv> looking for??

 BL> I too had a difficult time getting from 1.1.7 to 1.1.8. Here is
 BL> what I finally did, (quoting from my earlier post here): Note:
 BL> CFSys=Config.sys
Thanks for your extensive advice

Jaap
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From: Matti Palmström                                   30-Sep-99 09:53:26
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

 HR> The original name my contain some underscore in it. Here is the
 HR> filename shorten because binkley and a lot of other FIDO mailers
 HR> doesn't accept other than 8.3 names.

I found it at hobbes in the driver area and it's called SB16-32-64-V11B.ZIP

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From: Sean Dennis                                       29-Sep-99 10:54:09
  To: Francois Massonneau                               02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: Editor

Hello Francois.

24 Sep 99 22:07, you wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 pm>>> For a small, freeware editor, this one is pretty good. Includes
 pm>>> multiple file editing, syntax highlighting, programable
 pm>>> keyboard. And its text mode and small enough to install on a
 pm>>> boot floppy (:-)

 ET>> I would like this editor. I have searched for it with search
 ET>> engines on internet, but couldn't find it. Can you send it to my
 ET>> email address [e-mail]? Thanks in advance.

 FM> A good one is KON. This is part of the doc file :

Kon isn't freeware, gentlemen. :)

I've been talking back and forth with the author, Bjorn Andersson (ugh, I
think I misspelled his name-apologies).  It is US$20 and registerable via
BMTMicro.

However, from October 16-November 15, he's offering his "WarpStock Special"-$
5 off of the registration price.

I _LOVE_ Kon and how it works... with my being a Maximus/2 sysop and how all
of my configs are text-based, Kon is a godsend. :)

I'll be registering my copy soon... note that this is the second piece of
shareware in about 12 years I've felt worth registering (the first was
Internet Rex/2).

Later,
Sean

... "So you've come to say you're very sorry" -- Type O Negative
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From: Sean Dennis                                       29-Sep-99 11:01:13
  To: Bat Lang                                          02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

Hello Bat.

27 Sep 99 00:27, you wrote to All:

 BL> Does anyone know where to obtain "emxrt 0.9d fix 2"??  FTP hopefully.

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu and ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu. <G>

Later,
Sean

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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             30-Sep-99 00:26:06
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: MP3 setup

Hi there Cyrill!

Replying to a message of Torsten Balle Koefoed to Cyrill Vakhneyev:

 TK>>> For MP3 encoding the best choice is BladeEncoder, which you'll find
 TK>>> at http://bladeenc.home.ml.org/. There's also the old port of the
 TK>>> Fraunhofer L3enc, but the sound quality does not match with
 TK>>> BladeEncoder. I don't know if it's faster, though.

 CV>>     BTW really thing is LAME for OS/2.

 TBK> Yes, I just DL'ed it, but I haven't had time to test it.

I've tested a little and it seems that the quality of the encoding is
marginally better in some cases.

I write "it seems" because it's difficult to hear with sound quality reducing
factors such as a very noisy computer, my lousy SB AWE 32, and a very long
crap cable from the sound card to my amp. An interesting test could be to
encode with the different encoders, decode to wav again, and then burn on a CD
to test it in a CD-player with the computer turned off. But I'm not shure I'll
be interested in wasting the (limited) amount of money on a CD for that test.
;-)

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <[e-mail]>

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    30-Sep-99 16:00:02
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: WarpFM newsletter

Hello Rodrigo,

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Murray Lesser:

ML>> The following is copied from the IBM e-mail marketing newsletter
ML>> "WARP FM InfoFlash '99 # 6" dated Mon, 30 Aug 1999:

RB> I like it, really. How to subscribe to IBM marketing to get these
RB> news?

I subscribed one and a half year ago to the WarpFM newsletter.

I don't know any more if I sent an email message or went to the website
http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/warpfm.

You could try by sending an email message to [e-mail]
with the line "subscribe warpfm <your email address>" (without quotes)
OR in the subject OR in the body of the message (I think in the body of the
message)

or you can go to the webpage http:// www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/warpfm and
see if you can subscribe there.

If it doesn't work, let us know.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Oct-99 16:17:17
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: File Managers

01 Oct 99 12:59, Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara:

 RB>> Z! dont play this: mpeg 1.0 layer I, 64kbit/s, 48000 Hz.

 CV> Which Z!?

There's more than one?

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                01-Oct-99 16:17:25
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: File Managers

27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

 RCB> Z! dont play this: mpeg 1.0 layer I, 64kbit/s, 48000 Hz.

 RCB> The filename: Bach-Cello_Suite_No1_Courante.mp3

Really? It could be a bad MP3 file. I've played files at much lower bit
rates than that without problem.

Most of my MP3s are 44000 Hz, though. That could be the difference. Have
you tried other MP3s with similar bitrates?

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

... A few beers short of a six-pack / a six-pack short of a case
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From: Nick Andre                                        01-Oct-99 14:25:18
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Hi!

Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30 meg free?

I do dumpster-diving, and rescue an unbelievable amount of PC/XT equipment,
monitors, hard drives, etc. I know OS/2 requires at least a 386 with 2 meg RAM
(minus the WPS), but if OS/2 can work on lets say, an MFM/RLL drive, for a
workstation, that would be great!

Any help appreciated.

*Lord British*

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From: John Thompson                                     01-Oct-99 08:07:00
  To: Paul Hildebrandt                                  02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

In a message to K. Lindholm, Paul Hildebrandt wrote re: OS/2 friendly ISP

PH> I'm a little confused about this at&t -> ibm.net changeover. How does the
fial
PH> up account know which dialer you are using and why would it care? As long
as
PH> your dialer can send your username and password when needed and negociate
a
PH> tcpip protocol what difference does it make?

Ibm.net dial-up connections are initiated in a manner very unlike
those of other ISP's I've used.  Most other ISP's will give you a
"login:" prompt when the connection comes up and after you enter
your password it fires up ppp and you're off.  Ibm.net, OTOH,
send a string of characters which the dialer responds to;
different depending on what the response is very different things
can happen.  The ibm.net dialer then sends your accound type (eg
"usinet" in the USA, different in other countires), your username
and password, all on a single line.  If you're using ppp it will
also use encrypted authentication.

Although this stuff can be scripted (all except for the encrypted
authentication, anyway), the dialer does it all transparently.


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From: John Thompson                                     01-Oct-99 08:07:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        02-Oct-99 01:56:15
Subj: It's over. Period.

In a message to Steven Thompson, Jack Stein wrote re: It's over. Period.

JS> You heard of LINUX right?  AT&T owned that, lock stock and barrel, yet,
Linus
JS> managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?

Not quite... Bell Laboratories created Unix, but the marketing
droids at the time didn't think there was any reason to try and
sell it, so it was given away to universities to play with.
After a few years in that environment, it became apparent to even
the marketing droids that Unix was worth something and they began
selling commercial licenses.  But it didn't run on PC hardware.

Torvalds wanted a free, Unix-like operating system for his PC.
Minix was all there was at the time and he decided he would write
his own kernel and the rest is history.

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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     01-Oct-99 11:11:07
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: Java 1.1.8 and some useful info

Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote on 29 Sep 1999 at 13:28 to Jaap Van Veen:

 CV>     It's message is result of incorrect FI installation. Fisetup
 CV> couldn't set up self as browser plugin.
 CV>     Find latest fisetup at IBM's site. Unpack in temp catalog.
 CV> Other than java's temp catalog of course.
 CV>     Another way of java's installation. Without Netscape.
 CV>     1) Got latest fisetup and install it with
 CV>         fisetup /nn
 CV>     2) Unpack java's archive with subdirs
 CV>     3) Now you see a lot of catalogues with NLS setups. Copy all
 CV> files from catalogue with needed language to java's distributive
 CV> root.
 CV>     4) Find very "fat" file named java***.rsp. Where *** is java's
 CV> version. 118 in your case. In this file you must replace all "\..\"
 CV> (without quites) with "" (without quotes) using any text editor
 CV> with "search and replace" feature. File Commander's one is good.
 CV>     5) Enter in command line
 CV>         clifi /a:b /r:java118.rsp
 CV>     And got "present" :) on desktop.
 CV>     Using this object you can install java's componets without
 CV> Netscape. Semi-manually :)
 CV>     This method is very useful for installation any product which
 CV> contains .RSP files. IBM TCP/IP 4.1 with all features onto Warp 3
 CV> without LAN Server for example.
 CV>     If you want deinstall products installed using this method you
 CV> must do next steps:
 CV>     1) Open Connections->Drives->Your
 CV> bootdrive->OS2->Install->Installed Features.
 CV>     2) You can see one or more "presents".

 CV> Bye!
 CV> Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

Thanks, yous message helped me a lot.
Jaap
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From: Holger Granholm                                   01-Oct-99 20:40:00
  To: George Fliger                                     02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

In a message dated 09-29-99, George Fliger said to Bat Lang:

Hi George,

GF>Check on Hobbes.  It's been there for a couple'a months now.

I wonder what I'm doing wrong because I can FTP-connect to Hobbes as
anonymous and my e-mail address as password but it always comes back
and tells me that the password is wrong.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   01-Oct-99 20:40:00
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

In a message dated 09-29-99, Garth Ramsay said to All:

Hello Garth,

GR>I can boot to command line and this works but it appears as though
GR>my desktop is blown up...

And of course you haven't archived your setup before making the
modification!

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Andy Roberts                                      01-Oct-99 12:12:22
  To: Frits Spieker                                     02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: It's NOT over. Period.

 Frits Spieker,

29-Sep-99 21:53:02, Frits Spieker wrote to Jan Danielsson
 FS> Monday September 27 1999: Jan Danielsson to Frits Spieker.
          Subject: It's over. Period.

Notice I've changed the Subject.

 FS> So why is it then that people do still see Brad as the lying
 FS> s.o.b. instead of this nice character Stippeltje

For the same reason some people see you as a SOB.  Your choice of words and
where to say them is inappropriate.  You started a thread in this echo that
could easily be assumed to be sensationalism and Microsoft FUD, just judging
from the inappropriate Subject.  You based that on another msg by Brad Wardell
that used the OS/2 topic in an attempt to sell Microsoft software.  That's
about as close to speaking with a split tongue as you can get.

Would you like to know some of the effects your BS has had on others?

My sister-in-law who is a new OS/2 user found your Subject thread alarming.
She was worried and wanted to know if that would effect her.  Granted some
people happen to worry more than others.  And some people like you
deliberately try to make others worry about nothing.  And then some people
like me have to take the time to set the record straight.  That's why IMO you
like Brad Wardell are in the SOB class.  "Nice characters" don't pull stunts
like you did.  No flame intended you deserve to know the answer to your
question.

Since your question was about Brad Wardell, I'll add an excerpt from the
Aurora Mailing List:
---
 > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:48:06 +0100
 > From: Duarte <[e-mail]>
 > Subject: Selling Warp Server for E-Business

 > Hello my friends,

 > it seems that the latest announcement from Stardock, has already making
 > damages. i had made several orders from WSEB to some of my clients. Well
 > most of them are canceling those orders, i manage to cancel all the
 > orders i had with IBM with the exception for one. So you can say that
 > i'm stuck with one copy.

 > Does anybody wants to buy a copy of WSEB ?

 > It's still sealed, and it's in english.

 > best regards

 > Duarte
--- End Quote ---

BTW, if you want to apologize for your actions and the actions of Brad
Wardell, then you can start by buying WSeB from Duarte for $800.  Yeah right
that is a lot less than the retail price, so I guess he is taking a loss.  He
surely lost potential profits on the other clients that cancelled orders for
WSeB.  No doubt that BS Brad Wardell started has had an adverse effect on
OS/2.  That's why people see him as a SOB.

Personally I'm really fed up with these repetitive "chicken little" type FUD
announcements like you made in this echo.  It's not that I don't like you (no
flame intended), it's that I don't like what you did.  It was inappropriate.
I'm really very sorry for you that you didn't understand why people consider
Brad Wardell to be a SOB.  I'm really sorry that you didn't understand why
people consider you to be a SOB.  Both of you did things to earn a very bad
reputation.

If what Brad Wardell and you did was intended to support and promote OS/2,
then no wonder IBM didn't accept his offer.  Look at the effects.

If you and those like you who have pushed that damaging Subject thread way
past any reasonable limit, would like to do me and most of the others in this
echo a big favor, then drop that Subject thread.  Granted it's not over, but I
wish it was.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Peter Knapper                                     02-Oct-99 15:45:00
  To: Nick Andre                                        02-Oct-99 08:40:28
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Hi Nick,

 NA> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30 meg
free?

The non-Connect version can, or the Connect version without the networking
components. It can also be automatically installed into 30Mb of disk, however
you have to perform the Advanced install and be REALLY mean on the install
process and leave out ALL the non-essential items to reach that level of disk
space usage. However I am not aware of how one would do this WITHOUT
installing the WPS.

 NA> I know OS/2 requires at least a 386 with 2 meg RAM

I plugged an old drive into a 386-16 with 3Mb memory and the drive booted up
Warp 3, but it was extremely slow! I would not attempt to install Warp 3 on
anything less than 4Mb RAM.

 NA> but if OS/2 can work on lets say, an MFM/RLL drive,

Yep, it sure can (at least V1.3 & V2.0 could). MFM/RLL drives use the IBM1S506
driver so unless something has been broken in that over the years it should
work fine.

 NA> Any help appreciated.

Sounds like you need a bit of really hard work there though.......;-)


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From: Dan Egli                                          02-Oct-99 00:15:02
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 12:13:29
Subj: FixPack 11

Question anyone.

I tried to install FixPack 11 today. But it keeps telling me there
are no products selected, yet it never gives me the option to select
a product. Can I install Fixpack 11? I have installed nothing before.
Seems I heard a rumor that fixpack 7 must be installed before any
above 7 can be. Is that true?

thanks for the help!

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   01-Oct-99 06:59:10
  To: Jack Stein                                        02-Oct-99 16:17:10
Subj: It's over. Period.

;
In a msg of <Wednesday September 29 1999>, Jack Stein writes to Stewart
Honsberger:
;
Jack,

 SH>> DOS is the lowest common denominator. Problem with your
 SH>> 32-bit OS? Boot a DOS floppy to fix it.

 JS> I've never booted DOS, any version to fix my 32 bit OS, not once,
 JS> not in I guess 9 years.

In all honesty, I kept OS/2 on a FAT drive for about 5 years, for just that
reason (really).  At the time I didn't have the drive space for a maintenance
partition, so when OS/2 refused to boot (for whatever reason) I'd simply boot
DOS and fix things up.  Booting from OS/2 floppies was rarely an option at the
time.

 JS>   Why would one do something like that?


Well, essentially, to do things I was unable to do while booted from OS/2
floppies.  With the more recent flood of good OS/2 utilities, I no longer find
it necessary, but at the time I sure did!

-[Steve]-

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From: Will Honea                                        02-Oct-99 20:42:01
  To: Nick Andre                                        02-Oct-99 20:42:01
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Nick Andre wrote to All on 10-01-1999

NA> Hi!
NA>
NA> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30
NA> meg free?
NA>
NA> I do dumpster-diving, and rescue an unbelievable amount of PC/XT
NA> equipment,  monitors, hard drives, etc. I know OS/2 requires at
NA> least a 386 with 2 meg RAM (minus the WPS), but if OS/2 can work on
NA> lets say, an MFM/RLL drive, for a  workstation, that would be great!

I tried this a long time back and it seems to me that it took more
like 4 meg minimum.  A usable set of boot disks without the large disk
drivers and pared down to just enough for a command line session will
fit on two floppies, so 30 meg is more than ample disk space.  if you
are just playing, you could actually make a bootable setup several
ways.  The simplest would be to have another fully configured OS/2
machine available and use BOOTOS2 to create disks - you would still
have to do some editing of config.sys, but it should work.  Barring
that, (and to see if it's gonna work) boot from the install diskettes.
When (if) you get to a screen where you can exit to a command line you
can get out of the install, format and run SYSINSTX on the drive, then
copy the necessary files for booting to the hard drive from the
floppies.  You'll need to do some creative manipilation of the
config.sys files but it can be done.  It's far easier to borrow a few
meg of ram and do a bare-bones install - I think that can be done with
that amount of disk space IF you're clever.

Not a beginners effort, however, since it requires some pretty
detailed knowlege to get it done.  2 meg won't cut it but 4 should.
Just don't count on actually DOING anything with it, especially if you
want LAN connectivity.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Bryan Schwartz                                    02-Oct-99 08:33:00
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: New Features

New Features coming for OS/2 Warp 4, WorkSpace On-Demand, and Warp
Server for e-business
http://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/usalets&parms=H_299-276

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From: Bob Wright                                        01-Oct-99 21:28:17
  To: David Noon                                        02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: It's not quite over

Greetings, David...

 David Noon hastily said to Murray Lesser:

 DN> I don't recall seeing that. However, I am billed through GBINET not
 DN> USINET. Since AT&T don't have a major presence in this country, it is
 DN> likely that GBINET customers will simply remain in the "business" domain.
 DN> They have told me that my new mail address will be:

AHA!  That's why I didn't get the same one as Murray either... I'm billed
through CAINET.... AT&T don't have a particularly large presence in Canada,
either, although they ARE trying (via partnerships in Cell networks, for one,
and through "independent" long distance provision).

        -- Bob

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 11:40:14
  To: Dan Egli                                          02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

Hello Dan,

29 Sep 99 22:38, Dan Egli wrote to Herbert Rosenau:

DE> Anyone care to recommend a decent CHEAP Os/2 compat sound card?
DE> Doens't need all the features of an AWE64, but it should have at
DE> least SFW wave table like AWE64 does.

I have a good soundcard with Crystal Semiconductor chips and a wavetable chip,
I got it from someone here. I don't know which make it is.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 11:57:25
  To: Jan Van Der Heide                                 02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

Hello Jan,

28 Sep 99 07:19, Jan van der Heide wrote to All:

JH> Some time ago a REXX repair script was given to fix a problem in which
JH> the setting for the DESKTOP could not be found during boot. A friend
JH> of mine encounters this problem that when he boots up ends with an
JH> OS/2 command prompt and an error message about not being able to find
JH> the desktop. Where can I find this REXX script or can somebody repost
JH> it? TIA

If the desktop lost it's object ID: <WP_DESKTOP>. To recreate it, run the
following piece of REXX:

/* restore the desktop's object ID: <WP_DESKTOP> */
call RxFuncAdd 'SYSLOADFUNCS', 'REXXUTIL', 'SYSLOADFUNCS'
call SysLoadFuncs
call SysSetObjectData 'C:\DESKTOP', 'OBJECTID=<WP_DESKTOP>'

(Replace "C:" with your boot drive if necessary.)

              ---------------------

With a certain fixpack (I forgot which) the function SysBootDrive() is added,
to test for this function, you can run this REXX script:

/* test availability of the SysBootDrive() function */
call RxFuncAdd 'SYSLOADFUNCS', 'REXXUTIL', 'SYSLOADFUNCS'
call SysLoadFuncs
say 'boot drive is' SysBootDrive()

              ---------------------

When the SysBootDrive() function is available, you can replace the drive
letter of the boot drive by a call to this function:

/* recreate object ID of desktop */

call RxFuncAdd 'SYSLOADFUNCS', 'REXXUTIL', 'SYSLOADFUNCS'
call SysLoadFuncs
call SysSetObjectData SysBootDrive() || '\DESKTOP', 'OBJECTID=<WP_DESKTOP>'


  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 11:58:15
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: system clock?

Hello Roy,

29 Sep 99 16:43, Roy J. Tellason wrote to all:

RT> At one point here I had the "system clock" showing up on the desktop.
RT> Not only is it not there any more,  but I can't even seem to find an
RT> icon in the current setup to access it!

RT> Can somebody point me to the right file here (Warp Connect),  and
RT> suggest what I'd need to do to re-create the icon in its default
RT> location?

I don't think it's a program file, but I think it's an object on the desktop,
it's created by the install in the System Setup folder.

In the file \OS2\INI.RC on the boot drive I found this:
/* Objects that are in the system setup folder in OS/2 system folder on the
desktop */
"PM_InstallObject" "System Clock;WPClock;<WP_CONFIG>;RELOCATE"
"OBJECTID=<WP_CLOCK>"

With a REXX script you can recreate an object on the desktop (I don't have
one, but I'm sure it can be done with a REXX script) or you could (problably
try to) use MAKEINI (see the \OS2\INI.RC file on your bootdrive). MAKEINI.EXE
is used by the install program to create OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI.

Or you could (problably try to) use an INI editor to fill in the entry for the
system clock??

I don't have experience with this because I haven't lost any desktop object
and I don't intend to change that.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 11:59:17
  To: Garth Ramsay                                      02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

Hello Garth,

29 Sep 99 08:57, Garth Ramsay wrote to ALL:

GR> I just purchased a Logitech M-S48... 3 button mouse + scroll wheel

I've a Logitech Pilot+ with two real buttons and one scroll wheel which can
also be used as a 3rd button.

GR> no drivers available from Logitech (that I could find).

There are no OS/2 drivers from Logitech (AFAIK).

GR> the mouse.sys file included in this is 23721 file date 4.29.99

I've here

29-04-99 12:44         23.721      0 a---  MOUSE.SYS

This is the mouse driver with the support for the scroll wheel.

GR> Running warp 4, fixpack 11

Running Warp 4, fixpack 9

GR> Aopen AX6BC motherboard, 128mb PC100 ram, Intel Celeron 300A cpu

Gigabyte GA-686BX mainboard, 128 MB PC100 RAM, Intel Pentium II 350 MHz

GR> Matrox G200 video card...   So far works fine... ;->

Matrox G200 AGP with BIOS v2.3 and Matrox driver 2.21.

GR> After installing this driver using the install routine when I reboot
GR> my computer the workplace shell starts to load and just hangs..

I don't have any problem with it. The install here was OK from the start.

GR> After the screen goes from the default blue background to my colour
GR> I'm left looking at an empty screen.

You can press the Alt-F2 keys while the white blob in the upper left corner of
the screen is visible, this shows which driver is loading.

GR> The worst part is I'm forced to do a complete reinstall after...
...........snip...........
GR> No error messages no nothing (that I could find).

No traps? No dumps in \POPUPLOG.OS2 on your bootdrive?

...........snip...........

GR> I'm slowly pulling out what little hair I have left.

GR> Help... I'm wheel-less in Canada.

I don't know what went wrong on your system.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: Mike Roark                                        01-Oct-99 21:29:23
  To: Peter Knapper                                     02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Peter!

Thursday September 30 1999 21:56, Peter Knapper wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> paid for Warp 4! CDrecord, although a bit hard to use
 MR>> from the command line works like a champ..

 PK> Look for PMCDR002.ZIP dated 25th Sept for a Freeware PM Front end for
 PK> CDRecord that claims to make life a lot easier. I haven't tried it but
 PK> you may find it useful.

Thanks. I didn't notice it when it came in. It's sitting on my HD as we
speak.. I have created a small cmd file to run cdrecord, and am getting pretty
good at it. ;-) I've only ruined a few CDs..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
This OS/2 system uptime is 4d 1h 36m 21s 0ms (en).

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From: Russell Tiedt                                     01-Oct-99 22:35:22
  To: Andy Roberts                                      02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: StarOffice?

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 AR> 17-Sep-99 18:09:51, Russell Tiedt wrote to All
 AR>           Subject: StarOffice?

 RT> A freind put a copy of StarOffice 50.01 on a CD-ROM and I would
 RT> like to install it but I seem unable to get a registration code
 RT> from the "stardivision.com" web site for some reason Does anyone
 RT> have any idea how I might get this registed so I can look at it.

 AR> $9.95 plus S&H will get you a new CD with v.5.1a that does not need
 AR> a registration code and has more filters.  For details see:
 AR> http://www.sun.com/staroffice

Very cheap but the shipping and handling costs are nearly triple that and the
local exchange rate is far from favourable.

What I did was twisted a friends arm and he D/L'ed OS/2 WIN95/98/NT and Linux
versions over his ISDN line took a total of over 14 hrs, the site is very
slow. tried registering these but due to site responding extremely slowly have
given up.

Thanks to all who responded.

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     01-Oct-99 22:57:26
  To: All                                               02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Hi,

Are there any free e-mail servers for OS/2 Warp3 Connect? NNTP and HTTP
servers would also be welcome.

I might need these if it takes to long to get a faulty motherboard replaced
under warranty from my WIN / Linux system, I am in the process of registering
my own domain and will need at least a e-mail server soon, the others if it
takes a while to get the above faulty board replaced, as this system was to be
my internet "server".

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     01-Oct-99 23:04:20
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: Virus?

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 RT> Wonder how long it will take Micro-Sloth to fix Outlook and Outlook
 RT> Express so that their address books are secure?

 SH> Never, I'd imagine. They've integrated it (and IE) so far into the
 SH> core OS, they couldn't pull it out with the jaws of life.

Mine also, MS leaves holes big enough to drive a London double dekker through
because they like snooping on their customers who are foolish enough to
connect to the Net with their product.

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     01-Oct-99 23:18:10
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: Objects

Eddy Thilleman wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

ET>> I recognize this only as a symptom of an ISA card, some old ISA
ET>> cards can't address more than 16 MB RAM, especially old ISA
ET>> SCSI-cards.

RT> Does this include Adaptec 1542B SCSI cards.

 ET> Maybe, you should check it out. I don't have such a SCSI card.

To my regret the only SCSI devices I own are a very suspect 2X CD-ROM drive
and a unknown tape drive.

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     29-Sep-99 21:12:07
  To: Andy Roberts                                      02-Oct-99 23:35:10
Subj: StarOffice?

* Reply to a message in Sysop.

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:


 AR>  Russell Tiedt,

 AR> 17-Sep-99 18:09:51, Russell Tiedt wrote to All
 AR>           Subject: StarOffice?

 RT> A freind put a copy of StarOffice 50.01 on a CD-ROM and I would
 RT> like to install it but I seem unable to get a registration code
 RT> from the "stardivision.com" web site for some reason Does anyone
 RT> have any idea how I might get this registed so I can look at it.

 AR> $9.95 plus S&H will get you a new CD with v.5.1a that does not need
 AR> a registration code and has more filters.  For details see:
 AR> http://www.sun.com/staroffice

Cheap enough if you are Stateside, but postage and packaging work ou at more
than double that, thanks for the suggestions.

For all of you who answered thanks.

What I did was give the URL to a freind who has an ISDN connection and a
CD-Writer, he charged me less than $9.95 by rough estimate to download and
write to CD-ROM versions for  Linux, OS/2 and WIN95/98 WINNT.

Have just installed on OS/2, and will explore as time permits.

Go well,

Russell
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From: Bat Lang                                          02-Oct-99 15:56:18
  To: Dan Egli                                          03-Oct-99 01:23:10
Subj: FixPack 11

 -=> Quoting Dan Egli to All, [02 Oct 99  00:15:04] <=-

 DE> Question anyone.
 DE>
 DE> I tried to install FixPack 11 today. But it keeps telling me there
 DE> are no products selected, yet it never gives me the option to select

This is a fairly common occurrence. The reason that it tells you that is
because the widest-upper window, which contains the name of the
"products" to be updated, must first be 'selected', ie, spotlite it with
your mouse and double click it. When it reverses color, it is now
'selected' and (memory) activates some further options below, which were
not 'open' to you UNTIL you 'selected' the product to update.

 DE> a product. Can I install Fixpack 11? I have installed nothing before.
 DE> Seems I heard a rumor that fixpack 7 must be installed before any
 DE> above 7 can be. Is that true?

Each FixPak (=not= FixPack) accumulates everything that went before it,
so installing FP11 gives you the same as if you had installed the
earlier FPs. I hope this is clear, as I don't have that selector window
to refer to as I write this from memory.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Kari Suomela                                      02-Oct-99 21:51:17
  To: August Abolins                                    03-Oct-99 01:23:10
Subj: PRM

Did you get your PRM configured ok?

 KS


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From: Ron Nicholls                                      03-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        03-Oct-99 00:00:00
Subj: It's not quite over

-
BW>  ML>   As you may remember, IBM sold this
BW>  ML> operation to AT&T last year for a mess of pottage and several other
BW>  ML> considerations.
BW>
BW> But mostly the pottage...
BW>
BW>  ML>     It seems that ibm.net has classified me as a "consumer" customer
BW>  ML> (which, in truth, I am), not as a "business" customer.
BW>
BW> Odd... I didn't get classified as a "consumer" customer
BW> (although, in fact, I am).   Everything in the letter I got
BW> refers to my ID being "[e-mail]" where it's
BW> now "[e-mail]".
BW>
BW>

Same here, except "news1"  is still 'news1.ibm.net'.

All this changed over at the last log on, apparently, and I wonder
if the 'news1' is a glitch.

-
Regards RonN
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From: Ron Nicholls                                      03-Oct-99 00:00:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Oct-99 00:00:01
Subj: It's not quite over

ET> ML> discussing the changeover from my ibm.net account to an equivalent
ET> ML> AT&T account, which would take place starting Oct 1, this year.
ET>
ET> I think that with any dialer you should be able to connect to any
ET> internet  connection service (if you have the TCP/IP addresses and
ET> the domain names etc. all the data you need to fill in) ??

I have looked, superficially, at the internet dialer and it would seem
 that editing the 'INI' file would be the only way, unless you
know of another.

-
-
Regards RonN
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From: Andrew Belov                                      02-Oct-99 22:01:16
  To: Nick Andre                                        03-Oct-99 06:14:27
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Nick!

In a msg originally to All, Nick Andre said:

 NA> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30 meg
free?

Yes, I created a sort of "minimal" package myself that consumed only 5.8M in
archived form (included EGA drivers, PM+WPS, MDOS, WPCONFIG.DLL and Russian
NLS driver).

The simplest way to accomplish this task is to use the BOOTOS2 utility, that
creates an image of your OS/2 installation.

 NA> I do dumpster-diving, and rescue an unbelievable amount of PC/XT
 NA> equipment, monitors, hard drives, etc. I know OS/2 requires at least a
386
 NA> with 2 meg RAM (minus the WPS), but if OS/2 can work on lets say, an
 NA> MFM/RLL drive, for a workstation, that would be great!

OS/2 worked fine on MFM drives, however, recent fixes brought some problems.
XR_W035 and XR_M005 were OK, later ones have a broken IBM1S506.ADD.

                                               See you later.

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From: John Thompson                                     02-Oct-99 20:28:00
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   03-Oct-99 06:14:27
Subj: It's NOT over. Period.

In a message to Jan Danielsson, Herbert Rosenau wrote re: It's NOT over.
Period.

Don't forget the other happenings interleaved in your scenario:

HR> Many years agoo:

Microsoft announces Windows v3.0, then...

HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 2.0 arrives the
world
HR>
HR> Some time later:

Microsoft announces Windows 3.1, then...

HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 2.1 arrives the
world
HR>
HR> Some time later:

Microsoft announces Windows v4 (aka "Chicago") "real soon now"
then...

HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 WARP 3 arrives
the
HR> world
HR>
HR> Some time later:

Microsoft announces Windows 95, then...

HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 WARP 4 arrives
the
HR> world
HR>
HR> OS/2 is going on.

Yup...


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From: Murray Lesser                                     03-Oct-99 07:08:00
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      03-Oct-99 07:08:00
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-03-99, Ron Nicholls to Bob Wright)

Hi Ron--

BW>  ML>   As you may remember, IBM sold this
BW>  ML> operation to AT&T last year for a mess of pottage and several other
BW>  ML> considerations.
BW>
BW> But mostly the pottage...
BW>
BW>  ML>     It seems that ibm.net has classified me as a "consumer" customer
BW>  ML> (which, in truth, I am), not as a "business" customer.
BW>
BW> Odd... I didn't get classified as a "consumer" customer
BW> (although, in fact, I am).   Everything in the letter I got
BW> refers to my ID being "[e-mail]" where it's
BW> now "[e-mail]".

RN>Same here, except "news1"  is still 'news1.ibm.net'.

RN>All this changed over at the last log on, apparently, and I wonder if
  >the 'news1' is a glitch.

    Since the above interchange with Bob, I managed to tell ibm.net that
I didn't want to move to WorldNet.  Come October 1, I found myself on
AT&T Business net, with an @attglobal.net address.  Since I am using the
IBM OS/2 Internet Access Dialer (DIALER.EXE), my User ID object was
updated automatically on the morning of October 1.  Although I don't use
it, "news1" is now news1.attglobal.  The pop3 server is now
pop3.attglobal.net and the smtp server is smtp1.attglobal.net.  Before
changing the addresses used by MR/2 ICE, (which was not updated
automatically) I checked it out with the old addresses, and it worked
fine, indicating that the old server addresses are being forwarded (for
a year) along with the old user address.

    What dialer are you using?

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     03-Oct-99 08:27:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    03-Oct-99 08:27:01
Subj: system clock?

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-02-99, Eddy Thilleman to Roy J.
Tellason)

Hi Eddy--

RT> At one point here I had the "system clock" showing up on the desktop.
RT> Not only is it not there any more,  but I can't even seem to find an
RT> icon in the current setup to access it!

RT> Can somebody point me to the right file here (Warp Connect),  and
RT> suggest what I'd need to do to re-create the icon in its default
RT> location?

ET>I don't think it's a program file, but I think it's an object on the
  >desktop, it's created by the install in the System Setup folder.

ET>In the file \OS2\INI.RC on the boot drive I found this:
  >/* Objects that are in the system setup folder in OS/2
  >system folder on the desktop */
  >"PM_InstallObject" "System Clock;WPClock;<WP_CONFIG>;RELOCATE"
  >"OBJECTID=<WP_CLOCK>"

<snip>

ET>I don't have experience with this because I haven't lost any desktop
  >object and I don't intend to change that.

    I didn't answer Roy because I haven't tried any of the recipes "to
re-create the icon," so don't know whether or not they really work.  And
it certainly doesn't help anyone to tell him that he should have had a
backup--after it is too late.

    But, I once stupidly killed a desktop object that was supposed to
have the "no delete" attribute (as does the system-clock object); I
don't remember how I managed to do that but I must have deleted the
original object while experimenting with Object Utility/2 :-(.  I just
restored the desktop to its previous form from my desktop backup
(UniMaint).  Or, I could have restored the entire boot drive from its
backup.  There is nothing like a good backup policy to correct for
operator stupidity :-).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
___
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   02-Oct-99 22:20:19
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       03-Oct-99 11:49:01
Subj: system clock?

MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON:

 MR> /* Re-create clock object */
 MR> call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs','RexxUtil','SysLoadFuncs'
 MR> call SysLoadFuncs

 MR> class='WPClock'
 MR> name='System Clock'
 MR> loc='<WP_CONFIG>'
 MR> options='OBJECTID=<WP_CLOCK>'

 MR> check=SysCreateObject(class,name,loc,options,'U')
 MR> if check=1 then say name||' created.'
 MR> else say name||' *not* created.'
 MR> /* end */

Ok,  it says it did it.  Now where'd it put it?

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From: Peter Knapper                                     03-Oct-99 17:59:07
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     03-Oct-99 11:49:01
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Hi Russell,

 RT> Are there any free e-mail servers for OS/2 Warp3
 RT> Connect? NNTP and HTTP servers would also be welcome.

Mail - OS2Pops is availalbe from the IBM EWS system.
NNTP - Changi is available on Hobbes.
HTTP - Apache has been ported to OS/2 andis also on Hobbes.

All are "free" S/W...........pk.



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From: Peter Knapper                                     03-Oct-99 18:17:27
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     03-Oct-99 11:49:01
Subj: Objects

Hi Russell,

ET>> I recognize this only as a symptom of an ISA card, some old ISA
ET>> cards can't address more than 16 MB RAM, especially old ISA
ET>> SCSI-cards.

RT> Does this include Adaptec 1542B SCSI cards.

 ET> Maybe, you should check it out. I don't have such a SCSI card.

 RT> To my regret the only SCSI devices I own are a very
 RT> suspect 2X CD-ROM drive and a unknown tape drive.

I use an Adaptec 1542C controller on the BBS with 32Mb memory using the /DBUFF
parameter to enable double buffering that is a work-around the 16Mb DMA limit
with ISA bus cards. You need the AHA154x driver dated 12 Aug 1996 or later for
this.

Cheers........pk.


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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    02-Oct-99 00:38:04
  To: Ian Moote                                         03-Oct-99 11:49:01
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Hello Ian,

30 Sep 99 08:00, Ian Moote wrote to ALL:

 IM> I don't understand this problem. ISP's don't "support" operating
 IM> systems, they provide an Internet connection service through a clearly
 IM>  defined interface.

Depends on how you look at it. They may not "support" operating systems, but
they can certainly shape the information they provide based on assumptions
about what operating system you're running or try to refuse information or
help because you are not running the "right" os. Examples:

The first real ISP I had for more than a month was Erols. Early last year, I
had problems connecting and, as part of my process in determining the problem,
called their tech support to see if they had a problem on their end. I
immediately got through to a tech that confirmed that yes, they did, and to
give them an hour or so and try again. Problem solved.

A year later, I again had connection problems. Again, I called tech support
just to confirm which end the problem was on. However, in the intervening year
Erols had merged with RCN and tech support had changed. Instead of a tech, I
got a bimbo asking me irrelevant questions like what version Windows and what
browser I was running. A bimbo that seemed confused when I informed her that I
wasn't running Windows of any version nor was a browser involved in my problem
(which was a mailrun connection). She left the phone and returned to inform me
that, "I'm sorry, but we don't support OS/2." Not that I'd ever asked them to.
I had to explain, *again*, that I simply wanted to know if thier end had a
problem, that I was perfectly capable of supporting my end and had never asked
them to do so. I also changed ISP's within the next couple of months.

Now, my current ISP recently sent us *all* an email that detailed a series of
steps for going through a Win95 network setup and checking all of the various
server settings. Nowhere did the message explain the intent of these checks
and changes, or what was actually to be accomplished. I pretty much figured it
out, but they clearly were behaving under the assumption that *everyone* was
running Win9x and needed no further information. For that matter, even the
original setup information I was given consisted of pictures of the various
Win9x setup dialogs. No nice neat summary of the server addresses, I had to
read through several pages to find the various ip's and phone numbers
scattered through their instructions.

I emailed them asking for confirmation as to why they had asked for the
changes and what they were trying to accomplish, so that I could do the same
myself. I got back a vague response that they were making changes and wanted
to make sure no one had the wrong information. Now, this past week, we've
gotten an additional email from them that states that the changes *only*
affect bidirectional cable modem customers (which I'm not) and all the dialups
were completely unaffected.

I might add that I'm once again in the market for a new ISP, but this time I'm
emailing tech support *beforehand*. :-)

Kenneth ([e-mail])

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From: Bob Wright                                        02-Oct-99 21:22:19
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   03-Oct-99 13:31:02
Subj: OS/2 Sales

Greetings, Roy...

 Roy J. Tellason hastily said to Stewart Honsberger:

 RJT> If they wanted to bundle it at all,  or if they wanted to get a good
 RJT> price?

IIRC, it was to get a price break... otherwise they were going to have to pay
nearly full retail.  Even so, they didn't get a price as low as Compaq or Dell
or any of the other toadies..

 RJT> This is interesting,  and the first that I've heard of this.  Where did
 RJT> you come by this info?

I don't know where Stewart got it, but I saw something very much like that in
an article (CNET's News.Com) on the anti-trust trial.  It was presented in
evidence... It must have come up early in the summer, because IIRC it was
before the first adjournment.


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        03-Oct-99 00:16:05
  To: Dan Egli                                          03-Oct-99 13:31:02
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

Greetings, Dan...

 Dan Egli hastily said to Herbert Rosenau:


 DE> I got beta drivers, still not working. Anyone care to recomend a decent
 DE> CHEAP Os/2 compat sound card? Doens't need all the features of an AWE64,
 DE> but it should have at least SFW wave table like AWE64 does.

 DE> Thanks!

Acer AW35-PRO... or any card based on the Crystal Semiconductor chipsets.
Timur Tabi has put together a fairly comprehensive list of cards.  See
http://www.tabi.org/timur/crystalos2.html .

(I personally use the Acer card, and have had no problems except for one
self-induced one.)

One note, though.. when you do install your new card, be sure to use Selective
Uninstall to remove all traces of the Soundblaster as is recommended in the
driver documentation.


        -- Bob

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From: Sean Dennis                                       01-Oct-99 14:14:04
  To: Coridon Henshaw                                   03-Oct-99 13:31:02
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Coridon.

28 Sep 99 13:25, you wrote to me:

 SD>> OS/2 is only as dead as we, the users, let it be.

 CH> That's what they said about the Amiga...and the Commodore C64, the
 CH> Apple II, and the...

Well, I know the Amiga's still alive... I know people that still use
Commodores of all types, I've got an Apple ][ C here somewhere...

What I'm saying is this: some of us will go running to the next latest and
greatest thing.  If it works for me, I'll stick with it.

Something I read about Linux: "Linux is free only if your time isn't
valuable." I feel that an OS should not have to be hand-assembled to work to
get the basics going.  IMNSHO, Linux is a craze amongst a small number of
people.  I don't see all the developers running to Linux for mission-critical
applications.

Besides, all of those computers you mentioned are based on old chips.  OS/2 is
based on the x86 set... as long as there's a x86 system around, it'll run
OS/2.

Later,
Sean

... "For her lust/She'll burn in hell" -- Type O Negative
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From: Bat Lang                                          03-Oct-99 01:24:15
  To: Dan Egli                                          03-Oct-99 13:31:02
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Dan Egli, [02 Oct 99  11:40:28] <=-

 DE> Anyone care to recommend a decent CHEAP Os/2 compat sound card?
 DE> Doens't need all the features of an AWE64, but it should have at
 DE> least SFW wave table like AWE64 does.

If you go to pricewatch.com and search for newcom, you should find a
number of places offering a Newcom NewClear 32PnP, 3D Wavetable sound
card. It uses the Crystal CX4237B chipset, with driver support readily
available. I got mine about 8-10 months ago for $32 + s&h. Sad to say, I
still haven't installed it, but it came well recommended by a former
frequenter of this and the OS2HWD echo.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: [e-mail]

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From: Frits Spieker                                     02-Oct-99 14:18:00
  To: Mike Roark                                        03-Oct-99 16:20:25
Subj: It's over. Period.

Monday September 27 1999: Hairs a mess and tie askew Mike Roark walked up to
Frits Spieker and stated:

 MR> What are you using to do the recording?

I use:

****************
Audio-CD-Creator
(C) Chris Wohlgemuth 1999
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/5785/

----------------------
These are folder classes for the WPS which work as
frontends for cdrecord/2 for creating of Audio- and
Data-CDs.
Just put files/folders or shadows of files/folders into
the folder and press 'write'. Full WPS aware.
********************

Works like a charm, is *freeware* (released under GPL) and gets regulare
updates.


... Database (n.) more information than you'll ever need.

Groeten,
// Frits //

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From: David Randall                                     03-Oct-99 08:54:20
  To: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 16:20:25
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Jack Stein wrote in a message to David Randall:

 DR> The message sent out to ibm.net customers says you can use
 DR> your OS/2 dialer if you opt for the business rather than
 DR> consumer account.

 JS> I used the OS/2 Dialer, and the Injoy dialer on the AT&T
 JS> consumer account.  Wonder how they figure out that stupid
 JS> line?

I've never attempted to use their WorldNet service, but maybe they're just
saying that they're never going to write any OS/2 software for their users.




... Either he's dead, Jim, or my tricorder is running Windows 98.
--- timEd 1.10.y2k
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From: David Randall                                     03-Oct-99 09:01:09
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                03-Oct-99 16:20:25
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to David Randall:

 DR> Q15. Does AT&T WorldNet(r) Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
 DR> A15. No. The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer.
 DR> If you are an OS/2 customer, please click here
 DR> http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer of
 DR> AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your OS/2
 DR> dialer.

 SH> Sounds to me more like they're ASSuming that people using OS/2
 SH> must be businesses. The wording doesn't indicate any form of
 SH> switching accounts.

It appears that IBM's internet service is now called AT&T Business Internet
Services.  The choice is between keeping your current account with some
changes in usage hours and size of email box or switching to a WorldNet
account.



... Windows 98 upgrade installed:  Press your luck to continue.
--- timEd 1.10.y2k
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From: Frits Spieker                                     03-Oct-99 09:16:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      03-Oct-99 19:30:15
Subj: Free lunch *is* over

And then Andy Roberts mumbled something about 'It's NOT over. Period.'.

You might notice that I changed the subject yet again.

 AR> Microsoft FUD, just judging from the inappropriate Subject.

If people judge the *content* of a message just by its title, then I am not so
surprised that people take the hollow advertising slogans by Microsoft as the
pure gospel. Apparently this brain-dead behaviour is not just a key-quality of
Windows-users, but of "intelligent" OS/2 users as well.

 AR> Would you like to know some of the effects your BS has had on others?

Please do. Oh well informed Guru!

 AR> My sister-in-law who is a new OS/2 user found your Subject thread
 AR> alarming. She was worried and wanted to know if that would effect her.

She worried for all the right reasons. Just point your browser to the Software
Choice page of IBM (if you know how to do that at all) and read for yourself:
As of 1/1/2000 there won't be anymore free lunch. No more free downloads of
Netscape. No more free updates to JAVA. No more free ... etc...
So unless your sister-in-law is willing to fork out some (what is it)
US$279,-- per 2 years just for some updates that are free for about every
other known opsys in the universe, she has indeed reasons to worry.
That is of course unless she never uses Netscape, JAVA or what-you-have.

 AR> Granted some people happen to worry more than others.  And some
 AR> people like you deliberately try to make others worry about nothing.

Indeed nothing. Where will *you* get your next update of JAVA? Of Netscape/2?

 AR> And then some people like me have to take the time to set the record
 AR> straight.

Well, maybe you should get better information sources, mr "Straight" guy.

 AR>   That's why IMO you like Brad Wardell are in the SOB class.

Well, if you want to know: People like you are imo in the "should be
sterilized and spare the human race further polution of the gene pool" class.
You are too blind to see the truth even if you wanted to.

As IBM started out: they again are only aiming at the *real* big companies.
And those big companies don't need a new fat-client. They are (and rightly
so!) very happy still using OS/2 2.1, 3.0 and some of them even 4.0. And they
can easily afford the subscription to Software Choice for their updates to
JAVA and browsers and the likes. So why would IBM bother with people like you
and me?

 AR> No doubt that BS Brad Wardell started has had an adverse effect on
 AR> OS/2.  That's why people see him as a SOB.

So I again ask the same question to you: Why is it then that people like Tim
Martin who with his fanatic flaming of people who asked serious questions
about OS/2 has singlehandedly driven probably more people away from even
trying OS/2 is *not* a SOB but a "Godlike creature"?

Sure, Brad's remarks probably hurt, but over the last few years a lot more
damage has been done by all those fanatic OS/2 advocates who relish in burning
everyone who even dares looking at other op-syses to the ground.

 AR> Personally I'm really fed up with these repetitive "chicken little"
 AR> type FUD announcements like you made in this echo.

Well, again: Turn to IBM (software chjoice) itself, Oh Great Guru With All The
Straight Answers. And then see if you please can choke on the foot sticking
down your throat.

 AR> Both of you did things to earn a very bad reputation.

And you and countless others do things that deserve you the reputation of
ill-informed, ignorant, little cry babies who should have their diapers
changed by their mothers.

You have a brain for crying out loud! It would suit you a lot better if you
would just for once USE it.


// Frits //

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    02-Oct-99 12:50:12
  To: Murray Lesser                                     03-Oct-99 19:30:15
Subj: It's not quite over

Hello Murray,

29 Sep 99 23:59, Murray Lesser wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ML> The IBM Internet Dialer includes the TCP/IP addressing for ibm.net,
ML> there is no provision for entering data yourself.  There is another
ML> IBM OS/2 dialer (Dial Other Internet Providers) that requires you to
ML> enter that stuff.  I'd rather not be bothered.

It's no problem to enter that stuff (at least for me).

ML> I registered for AT&T business services this morning, so
ML> (theoretically) I don't have to worry about this.

I never used the IBM/Advantis internet service, I always used an other ISP.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... My vast, vast, vast fortune!...vast! - Mr. Burns
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   03-Oct-99 10:48:15
  To: Andy Roberts                                      03-Oct-99 20:32:08
Subj: OS/2 Support

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 AR> ---
 AR> W32S125B.Zip                    10-16-95          12,832
 AR>     Win32s v.1.25b

 AR> W32S125.Exe                     03-08-96       2,287,298
 AR>     Win32s v1.25 update. Apply to Win-OS/2, then download
 AR> and follow     instructions in vw32s125.zip.

 AR> Vw32S125.Zip                    10-16-95          12,921
 AR>     BETA version of win32s 1.25 support for OS/2 WARP.
 AR> README files contain     more information.
 AR> ---

 AR> I'd have to look inside those files to see what is what, but
 AR> there might be some duplication or old version as well as the
 AR> latest version.  The large file probably includes the library,
 AR> which is essential but often is included on CD apps, so it may
 AR> not be needed just to upgrade.

I will have to look around and see what I have here in those,  maybe chase
down some of the files if I need 'em.

 AR> I might add that although v.1.25b is the last patch, that does
 AR> not mean that you can not run v.1.30 or v.1.35 etc apps by
 AR> using some other tricks such as manually installing the prgm or
 AR> letting the setup overwrite v.1.25b and then before running the
 AR> prgm re-install v.1.25b.

Yeah,  I remember seeing some comments to the effect that it's possible to let
some stuff "update" things because of dumb install software insisting on that
and then putting it back,  with things running okay afterwards.

 AR>> Software Choice and the ---

 RJT> Looks like something chopped your message.  More comments on part 2...

 AR> It was tossed without being truncated here, in spite of it
 AR> being a rather long msg.  So I assume it got truncated in
 AR> transit.

Not truncated,  chopped.  The other part of it followed.

 AR> Unless someone else has the same problem I will not repost the
 AR> last part.

No need,  it got here.

 AR> Instead I have sent the whole msg to you, Roy, via E-Mail.

Got it.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   03-Oct-99 10:52:06
  To: Peter Knapper                                     03-Oct-99 20:32:08
Subj: system clock?

Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 PK> Hi Roy,

 PK> The "current" release is MEMSZ331.ZIP, about 640Kb.

 RJT> I don't seem to have that here.  Care to email it?

 PK> Bit of a problem with that at the moment, the BBS Email does
 PK> plain text Email messages only (makes sure the messages are
 PK> small........;-)), no Mime or other forms of file attachments
 PK> supported, and I wont be back at work to send from there for a
 PK> week or so.

No rush...

 PK> Its available from Hobbes and other well known OS/2 sites
 PK> though.

Nice,  if you have ftp and http and such stuff.

 PK> Let me know if you can't get it elsewhere and I will take it to
 PK> work one day when I return.

What I have at this point is email,  period.

Oh,  and I've set up an address for stuff to be sent to,  which avoids the
limitations of fido-side message size limitations by simply writing things out
to files on the 'net side.  It's [e-mail].  Saves me the
trouble of putting chunks back together,  too,  as all of a given email is
written to one single file.  I got one of about 1.6M the other day after
setting that up.  <g>

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From: Hans-Ole Larsen                                   02-Oct-99 11:55:06
  To: Jan van der Heide                                 03-Oct-99 23:31:26
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

Davs Jan van der Heide,

28-Sep-99 07:19, Jan van der Heide wrote to All
          Subject: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

 JvdH> Some time ago a REXX repair script was given to fix a problem in which
 JvdH> the setting for the DESKTOP could not be found during boot.
 JvdH> A friend of mine encounters this problem that when he boots up ends
 JvdH> with an OS/2 command prompt and an error message about not being able
 JvdH> to find the desktop.
 JvdH> Where can I find this REXX script or can somebody repost it? TIA

 JvdH> Gegroet, Jabn
 JvdH> Holland User Group OS/2, Team OS/2 NL, Certified Systems Expert OS/2
 JvdH> Warp
 JvdH> -!- timEd/2 1.00
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Msg  : 2425      [1-2789] Marked
From : Torsten Balle Koefoed               16-Jul-99  00:29  2:238/202.3
To   : Nick Andre
Subj : Desktop problem!
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────OS2

Hi there Nick!

Replying to a message of Torsten Balle Koefoed to Nick Andre:

 NA6262 This morning, the problem happened again, and the desktop got
 NA6262 destroyed. Upon  PM being loaded it says "Unable to find desktop in
 NA6262 OS2.INI". I tried  re-creating it with MAKEINI, but the INI files
 NA6262 dissappear once I reboot!

You may want to try this:

1. Boot to command-line.
2. Add the following line to CONFIG.SYS and reboot:

SET DESKTOP=C:\DESKTOP

(Replace "C:" with your boot drive if necessary.)

3. If the desktop starts now your desktop probably lost it's object ID:
<WP_DESKTOP>. To recreate it, run the following piece of REXX:


/**/
call RxFuncAdd 'SYSLOADFUNCS', 'REXXUTIL', 'SYSLOADFUNCS'
call SysLoadFuncs
call SysSetObjectData 'C:\DESKTOP', 'OBJECTID=<WP_DESKTOP>'

(Replace "C:" with your boot drive if necessary.)

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <[e-mail]>

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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             01-Oct-99 03:19:07
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  03-Oct-99 23:31:26
Subj: MP3 setup

Hi there Cyrill!

Replying to a message of Cyrill Vakhneyev to Torsten Balle Koefoed:

 CV> 26 Sep 99 01:22, Torsten Balle Koefoed wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>>>     BTW really thing is LAME for OS/2.
 TK>> Yes, I just DL'ed it, but I haven't had time to test it.
 CV>     There are 2 versions of LAME. One for OS/2 VIO and other for
 CV> XFree/2. Be careful.

Thanks for the warning. I did get the VIO version, so I guess I was lucky. :-)

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <[e-mail]>

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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             01-Oct-99 03:31:18
  To: Jan van der Heide                                 03-Oct-99 23:31:26
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

Hi there Jan!

Replying to a message of Jan van der Heide to All:

 JvdH> Some time ago a REXX repair script was given to fix a problem in
 JvdH> which the setting for the DESKTOP could not be found during boot. A
 JvdH> friend of mine encounters this problem that when he boots up ends
 JvdH> with an OS/2 command prompt and an error message about not being
 JvdH> able to find the desktop. Where can I find this REXX script or can
 JvdH> somebody repost it? TIA

Here's what to do:

First add the following line to CONFIG.SYS and reboot:

SET DESKTOP=C:\DESKTOP

(Replace "C:" with your boot drive if necessary.)

Now the desktop should start (hopefully) without further problems.

To recreate the missing desktop ID, run the following piece of REXX:

/**/
call RxFuncAdd 'SYSLOADFUNCS', 'REXXUTIL', 'SYSLOADFUNCS'
call SysLoadFuncs
call SysSetObjectData 'C:\DESKTOP', 'OBJECTID=<WP_DESKTOP>'

(Replace "C:" with your boot drive if necessary.)

Finally reboot.

If you want you can remove the SET-statement from CONFIG.SYS, but as it
doesn't do any harm you don't really need to.

You also may want to remove all the temporary desktops.

Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <[e-mail]>

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From: August Abolins                                    03-Oct-99 10:57:02
  To: Kari Suomela                                      04-Oct-99 00:20:06
Subj: PRM

Hi Kari!

 KS> Did you get your PRM configured ok?

Do you mean regarding my problem with automatically saving a copy of outgoing
messages?  If so, no.


 .aa.

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From: Murray Lesser                                     04-Oct-99 06:31:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       04-Oct-99 06:31:00
Subj: It's over?

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-01-99, Sean Dennis to Coridon Henshaw
Original topic: It's over. Period.)

Hi Sean--

SD>Besides, all of those computers you mentioned are based on old
  >chips.  OS/2 is based on the x86 set... as long as there's a x86
  >system around, it will run OS/2.

    I wish that people who try to quote history in this echo knew what
they were talking about :-(.  No version of OS/2 would run on an 8086 or
80186 (practically nothing ran on the short-lived 80186).  Only OS/2
versions 1.x would run on an 80286, but not on any earlier x86.  OS/2
versions 2.x and 3.0 would run on an 80386, but not on any earlier x86.
Warp 4 and later require (as a minimum) an 80486.

    In spite of your topic heading, OS/2 most certainly is not "over."
The thing that the doomsayers really are saying (although many of them
obviously don't know it!) is that they (the SOHO users) have been left
out of IBM's future plans for OS/2.  They are correct!!  OS/2 was
originally designed as an "industrial strength" operating system for
large commercial users.  After the Warp 3 AIHU marketing debacle, IBM
has slowly returned OS/2 to the originally intended customer set.  You
and I can continue to use OS/2 as for long as we wish, because nothing
prevents us from doing so--especially if we aren't too enamored of using
the latest available hardware.  IBM will continue to update OS/2, at
least through mid-2001 according to recent IBM announcements.  However,
those new updates will come at a price, since the low-cost ride has been
over for some time.  If you don't believe this, check the catalog prices
of recent IBM "native OS/2" application software.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Peter Knapper                                     04-Oct-99 14:40:09
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: system clock?

Hi Roy,

 PK> The "current" release is MEMSZ331.ZIP, about 640Kb.

 RJT> I don't seem to have that here.  Care to email it?

Your lucky day. By the time you read this you wil probably have the V3.20 that
I already had at work.

Cheers.............pk.


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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   03-Oct-99 14:26:11
  To: Nick Andre                                        05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

 NA> Hi!

 NA> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30
 NA> meg free?

No. For that you should install OS/2 1.x. OS/2 1.x would run on each 386 with
2 MB or more but OS/2 2.x MUST have 8 MB or more

OS/2 WARP is optimised for I486. It would run on a 386 with 12 MB or more.

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   03-Oct-99 17:29:15
  To: Dan Egli                                          05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: FixPack 11

 DE> I tried to install FixPack 11 today. But it keeps telling me
 DE> there are no products selected, yet it never gives me the option
 DE> to select a product. Can I install Fixpack 11? I have installed
 DE> nothing before. Seems I heard a rumor that fixpack 7 must be
 DE> installed before any above 7 can be. Is that true?

No. But yiu have to use the newest service.exe.

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From: George Fliger                                     03-Oct-99 08:40:21
  To: Holger Granholm                                   05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

On 1 Oct 99 08:40pm, Holger Granholm wrote to George Fliger:

 HG> In a message dated 09-29-99, George Fliger said to Bat Lang:

 HG> Hi George,

GF>Check on Hobbes.  It's been there for a couple'a months now.

 HG> I wonder what I'm doing wrong because I can FTP-connect to
 HG> Hobbes as anonymous and my e-mail address as password but it
 HG> always comes back and tells me that the password is wrong.

Strange indeed.  Try the following:

        Name:     [e-mail]
        Password: guest@domain

It works for me with a stand-alone ftp client I use.

George


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From: George Fliger                                     03-Oct-99 08:53:29
  To: Dan Egli                                          05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Re: FixPack 11

On 2 Oct 99 12:15am, Dan Egli wrote to All:

 DE> Question anyone.
 DE>
 DE> I tried to install FixPack 11 today. But it keeps telling me
 DE> there are no products selected, yet it never gives me the
 DE> option to select a product. Can I install Fixpack 11? I have
 DE> installed nothing before. Seems I heard a rumor that fixpack 7
 DE> must be installed before any above 7 can be. Is that true?

Take a look at the README that comes in the fixpak.  If you have applied
any fixpaks before you may have old LOG files lying around these can
prevent the fixpak installer from operating since it will think you've
applied a previous fixpak but haven't committed it.  If that is not the
problem then you might have to copy the original SYSLEVEL.OS2 file from
your OS/2 installation diskettes and place it in your \OS2\INSTALL
directory.  This is also explained in the fixpak's README file.

George


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From: Garth Ramsay                                      03-Oct-99 11:34:01
  To: Holger Granholm                                   05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Logitech TrackMan Marble

01-Oct-99 20:40:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Garth Ramsay
          Subject: Logitech TrackMan Marble



 HG> GR>I can boot to command line and this works but it appears as
 HG> though GR>my desktop is blown up...

 HG> And of course you haven't archived your setup before making the
 HG> modification!

Hi Holger

 Backups... BACKUPS... WE don't need no steenking backups.....

 :->

 I needed a reinstall anyway...
 After I put my system back together I manually setup the version
 of mouse.sys that came with the wheel driver and voila my wheel now
 works in dos sessions, windows sessions as well as in OS/2.
  The only problem is my middle button doesn't work.
 It appears as though it was the mouse control panel causing the
 desktop to blow up. If I could find out where and what changes it was
 making I might be able to manually set it up...

Anybody out there know?



 -=> Garth Ramsay <=-

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From: Ruth Argust                                       03-Oct-99 23:29:11
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: system clock?

Hi Roy.

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 RJT> I got one of about 1.6M the other day after setting that up.  <g>

:)

                                *ruth*

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From: Charles Gaefke                                    02-Oct-99 13:30:13
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

SH>  CG> When I say DOS, I mean MS-DOS, since it is the most common flavour
SH>  CG> out there.
SH>
SH> You should clarify. Technically, Linux, OS/2, and Win32 are DOS's. "Disk
SH> Operating System". {smile}

    People no longer refer to operating systems as DOS.


C. Gaefke
[e-mail]



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From: Charles Gaefke                                    02-Oct-99 13:31:10
  To: Paul Hildebrandt                                  05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Re: ibmgradd

PH> My system is still stuck in 16 color mode because there's no OS/2 support
f
PH> the Voodoo 3 card.

    Use the SVGA GRADD drivers.

    It isn't the greatest, but it looks a heckuva lot better than 16 colors.
I'm using the TNT Riva 2 here..


C. Gaefke
[e-mail]



... Have your dreams come true?

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From: Peter Knapper                                     04-Oct-99 19:11:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hi Sean,

 SD> Something I read about Linux: "Linux is free only if
 SD> your time isn't valuable." I feel that an OS should not
 SD> have to be hand-assembled to work to get the basics
 SD> going.

Things have actually changed over the years, the current versions of Linux
available are suprisingly complete, with canned installs to match most commomn
H/W configurations and a FULL instal does install that, a FULL version of
Linux and a rather large set of utilities all ready to run. No longer do you
have to drop down to the nuts and bolts to "build your kernal first" to get
Linux running, then add the items that are essential to make it usable.

 SD> IMNSHO, Linux is a craze amongst a small number
 SD> of people.  I don't see all the developers running to
 SD> Linux for mission-critical applications.

I think you might need to take a longer look at things. Linux is being used in
a number of large systems houses these days, and is gathering a suprisingly
large following in some very specific areas, especially places where the
supoprt is easily obtained (such as ISP's and Internet related companies).

 SD> Besides, all of those computers you mentioned are based
 SD> on old chips.  OS/2 is based on the x86 set... as long
 SD> as there's a x86 system around, it'll run OS/2.

Is probably a sure bet that you can restrict your processor range to 386 or
later, OS/2 V2.0 andlater requires that as a minimum processor to run, an 8088
doesn't quite make that requirement.........;-)

And in case you were wondering, no, I do not run Linux, yes I have a Linux CD
here, one day I may install it, but at this stage OS/2 does me fine.

Cheers..........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     04-Oct-99 23:16:06
  To: Holger Granholm                                   05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

Hi Holger,

GF>Check on Hobbes.  It's been there for a couple'a months now.

 HG> I wonder what I'm doing wrong because I can FTP-connect to Hobbes as
 HG> anonymous and my e-mail address as password but it always comes back
 HG> and tells me that the password is wrong.

While it is "standard" practise to use your Email address as a password for
anonymous FTP sessions, many FTP Servers will actually try and check that the
Email address exists or is valid for the site that is used. Although there are
various ways of doing this, one of the most common is by using the "finger"
command to see if the provided address is valid. If your ISP does not support
"finger", then that rejection may be taken as an indication of a non existing
Email address by the Server and reject the session.

I hope this helps............pk.


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From: Bob Wright                                        03-Oct-99 10:28:13
  To: John Thompson                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Greetings, John...

 John Thompson hastily said to Paul Hildebrandt:

 JT> Ibm.net dial-up connections are initiated in a manner very unlike
 JT> those of other ISP's I've used.  Most other ISP's will give you a
 JT> "login:" prompt when the connection comes up and after you enter
 JT> your password it fires up ppp and you're off.  Ibm.net, OTOH,
 JT> send a string of characters which the dialer responds to;
 JT> different depending on what the response is very different things
 JT> can happen.  The ibm.net dialer then sends your accound type (eg
 JT> "usinet" in the USA, different in other countires), your username
 JT> and password, all on a single line.  If you're using ppp it will
 JT> also use encrypted authentication.

However, the IBM dialler is not in fact required to successfully connect to
ibm.net.  I use both DOIP and Injoy (as well as the newer IBM dialler).   All
that was required was to put the complete "service/account type/user id" into
the User ID field (e.g. internet.cainet.rtwrigh).

No scripts, or general fiddling around were required.... if they had been at
the time I first set up, I may well have dropped the whole thing in
frustration.... (While I wasn't quite the AIHU, as far as internet was
concerned, I might as well have been.. <G>).

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        03-Oct-99 11:04:23
  To: Murray Lesser                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: It's not quite over

Greetings, Murray...

 Murray Lesser hastily said to John Thompson:


 ML>     I have had two correspondents (you may have noticed them) who
 ML> assured me that there was no such thing as an OS/2 dialer :-(.

Who obviously don't pay attention to what's in their various folders.. ;>

 ML>  I like
 ML> it, too.  I chose to not be put on WorldNet, and this morning (Oct 1) my
 ML> dialer (pointed at the same local ibm.net telephone number) connected to
 ML> what must be AT&T Business Net.

Is it safe to ASSume that you are using the "old, original" SLIP-only dialler?
  I tried to connect with the 1.69 version that I have and sometimes still use
and, while the connection was made, I couldn't access "pop3.ca.us.ibm.net".  I
immediately redialled with Injoy and was able to sign on there...

After I saw this message I tried the old one... and it updated my user object
as well...

Now when I use ver 1.69, I get connection to mail and a proper check for new
version and phone list, etc...

I guess newer isn't necessarily always better..
.

        -- Bob

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   03-Oct-99 12:00:24
  To: Andy Roberts                                      05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: It's NOT over. Period.

;
In a msg of <Friday October 01 1999>, Andy Roberts writes to Frits Spieker:
;
Andy,
 AR> I'm really sorry that you didn't understand why people consider you
 AR> to be a SOB.

I can address that.  Some time ago Fritz spent about a month flaming me for
using an "illegal, pirated copy" of Netscape/2 I had downloaded from IBM's
site, as if (1) he had anything to say about it, and (2) he had any idea what
he was talking about.


 AR>  Both of you did things to earn a very bad reputation.

Brad, OTOH, released and sold bug infested software that caused far more
problems than it solved, refused to fix it, and even refused to acknowledge
repeated requests for help in making the stuff do something useful, even tho I
am (or was) a licensed user of three of his programs.  One of them (Process
Commander) has NEVER worked since I bought it, and it's reputation is so bad I
can't find anyone who wants it even at 10% of my cost.  Object Desktop 2, the
overpriced box of bells and whistles, won't allow my machine to boot up once
it is installed, but I was able to sell it at a loss. I still use PMINews, but
the first release had dozens of bugs, some of which killed the entire database
when it crashed... frequently.  Version 2 also has numerous bugs, including
not doing some things correctly that v 1.x did... they fixed a few bugs,
introduced some new ones, and broke some things that used to work!

And, instead of fixing the problems with the existing software, he spent time
writing GAMES!

I still contend that the reason IBM didn't give him a license for a Warp
client was because some of their people had bought and installed some of his
existing software.  If that's the case, I'm thrilled that IBM thought enough
of its' existing userbase not to turn over development of a new client to
someone had already demonstrated a complete lack of both competence and
business ethics.

-[Steve]-

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From: Holger Granholm                                   03-Oct-99 19:48:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: StarOffice?

In a message dated 09-29-99, Russell Tiedt said to Andy Roberts:

Hi Russell,

RT>What I did was give the URL to a freind who has an ISDN connection
RT>and a CD-Writer, he charged me less than $9.95 by rough estimate to
RT>download and write to CD-ROM versions for  Linux, OS/2 and WIN95/98
RT>WINNT.

I wonder what your friend would charge to mail a similar CD to Europe?
Or has somebody else in Europe done the same thing and could offer it?

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Tony Pater                                        25-Sep-99 02:32:11
  To: Will Honea                                        05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: OS/2 Support

 -=> Quoting Will Honea to Murray Lesser <=-

 WH> (anybody know a good way to prod the last young one thru college in a
 WH> reasonable time?)

 Yes Will...

 An M$ sponsored certification course lasting 3 days !


 Zaijian
 Tony
 Sydney, Oz
 Sat 09-25-1999  12:35:12 pm


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   04-Oct-99 14:54:26
  To: Peter Knapper                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: system clock?

Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 PK> Hi Roy,

 PK> The "current" release is MEMSZ331.ZIP, about 640Kb.

 RJT> I don't seem to have that here.  Care to email it?

 PK> Your lucky day. By the time you read this you wil probably
 PK> have the V3.20 that I already had at work.

Got it,  and it's now in the files section here...

Thanks!

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From: John Angelico                                     27-Sep-99 16:51:00
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: It's over. Period.

On 20/09/1999, Charles Gaefke said to Frits Spieker about It's over.
Period.:

CG>     I know I'm going to be using OS/2 for a -long- time.  Windows just
CG> plain  doesn't cut it.  I use it for games and burning CDs.
CG>

Wooowww! How do you manage to burn a CD in Win????? Or should I ask -
having burned, are you able to read anything useful?

CG>     Everything else is OS/2.

Of course!

Just my bias showing, folks!

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: [e-mail]

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Groucho

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From: John Angelico                                     27-Sep-99 16:53:01
  To: Frits Spieker                                     05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: It's over. Period.

On 19/09/1999, Frits Spieker said to All about It's over. Period.:

FS> Well, it is official now. There will never be another OS/2
FS> client. IBM has decided that it is not in their customers
FS> interest to release (or have released) another OS/2 client.
FS>

That is an incorrect quote. IBM did not say "never" - it's always "at this
time" "for the forseeable future" "in the present circumstances" or similar
caveats which allow it to review a decision if... er, circumstances change.


John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: [e-mail]

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From: John Angelico                                     27-Sep-99 16:58:02
  To: Rob Basler                                        05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: It's over. Period.

On 22/09/1999, Rob Basler said to Frits Spieker about It's over. Period.:

RB> Well, it is official.  The sky is still falling.  Initial reports of
RB> this unusual phenomena started pouring in to these news offices at
RB> about the time of the release of OS/2 2.0.  Since that time the sky has
RB> continued to fall dramatically, on a regular basis.
RB>
RB> We recommend that OS/2 users who are not used to this phenomena move
RB> immediately to shelters, safely away from their modems, until this
RB> latest wave subsides.
RB>

And such folk should join Asterix, Obelix, Vitalstatistix and all the
other indomitable Gauls for whom this phenomenon would be a disaster - back
in BC50, so the rest of us could continue to drive our 1984 cars, and use
our 1996 versions of OS/2 very satisfactorily!

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: [e-mail]

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                04-Oct-99 15:41:27
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

02 Oct 99 13:30, Charles Gaefke wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>> You should clarify. Technically, Linux, OS/2, and Win32 are DOS's.
 SH>> "Disk Operating System". {smile}

 CG> People no longer refer to operating systems as DOS.

You must have missed my sarcasm.

People also don't often refer to "cars" as "automobiles".

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

... I have to think twice before I give it a second thought.
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                04-Oct-99 15:45:07
  To: Sean Dennis                                       05-Oct-99 01:48:28
Subj: Linux

01 Oct 99 14:14, Sean Dennis wrote to Coridon Henshaw:

 SD> What I'm saying is this: some of us will go running to the next
 SD> latest and greatest thing.  If it works for me, I'll stick with it.

That's why I've still got OS/2 installed alongside Linux. It runs like
greased lightening, and does what I want. (read: What Linux can't as of
yet. Namely toss echomail. But that's a problem with either the tosser,
or the user :> ).

 SD> Something I read about Linux: "Linux is free only if your time isn't
 SD> valuable." I feel that an OS should not have to be hand-assembled to
 SD> work to get the basics going.

It doesn't need to be. It just doesn't make all your important
descisions for you. Windoze would have to be, IMHO, the worst (PC based)
OS for making descisions, with OS/2 running somewhere in the middle
(atleast I can easily change most things) and Linux is the absolute best
- whereas it can't do a single thing without my say so.

Most current Linux distributions come able to install from a GUI, to a
default GUI interface, with a (nearly)latest browser, word processor
(Office suite), graphics applications, dozens of games, hundreds of
utilities, plus a full suite of Internet servers.

SuSE 6.2, for example, comes in two versions. A one CD version with
everything you'll need to run a set of servers (or even an ISP) on most
any hardware configuration, or a 6 CD set with all the aforementioned
features plus several hundred misc. applications and games.

The people that claim that you have to be a C programmer to run Linux
are merely FUD throwers. I can barely read a line of C code, and I'm
quite happy with Linux. (To the point where I actually ANSWER questions
in the newsgroups, rather than simply ASKING them :> ).

 SD> IMNSHO,

Sorry, in this case, this isn't an opinion.

 SD> Linux is a craze amongst a small number of people.

Linux is run by millions of people worldwide. Businesses mainly, but
there are 100's of 1000's of home users flocking to Linux.

There's a site out there called "Linux Counter" which has at the very
minimum 130,157 people registered (that's my Linux User Number). I
signed up several months ago, so that number has most likely risen. I'm
also not sure how long the site has been up, but I've only ever seen it
mentioned once.

Using the 5% rule (and basing solely on that number), you'd arrive at
2,603,140 home Linux users. (English speaking, because the page doesn't
offer any other languages).

There was another Linux related site that posted figures (which were
rather large to begin with) and arrived at a multiple of 10 million when
applying the 5% rule.

Countless businesses and ISPs (especially) run Linux because they don't
have to hire full-time techs to babysit their machines.

 SD> I don't see all the developers running to Linux for mission-critical
 SD> applications.

What do you consider mission-critical? Games? Well, not a good example,
they exist for Linux also. ;>

Name me an application (and its function) and I'll find you a Linux
equivalent. More than likely with the source code included, so that if
you WANTED to, you could tweak it for your own personnal needs.

 SD> Besides, all of those computers you mentioned are based on old chips.
 SD> OS/2 is based on the x86 set... as long as there's a x86 system
 SD> around, it'll run OS/2.

If IBM releases the source code, OS/2 could be independantly ported to
other platforms as the need arose.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         30-Sep-99 09:03:15
  To: Steven Thompson                                   05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: Over ?!  It's only just *started* ...

 ST> Number one, to run OS/2 programs, it would have to be licensed by IBM,
[...]

There's no requirement that an operating system be licenced by IBM in order
for it to run OS/2 programs, any more than any other operating system needs to
be licenced by any other company to run programs designed for that particular
company's operating system.  (For example: DR-DOS wasn't licenced by
Microsoft, yet it ran MS-DOS programs.)

 ST> [...] and also, you wouldn't be able to call it OS/2.

Yes, but would one actually want to do so in the first place ?

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         30-Sep-99 09:49:14
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: Why is this?

 JdBP>> I'm working on the assumption that you've already run CHKDSK /F:2
 JdBP>> on this volume, by the way, and found no problems.  I don't know
 JdBP>> whether CHKDSK fixes broken DBCS tables if it finds them, or not,
 JdBP>> though.  My educated guess would be that it would, however.

 RCB> Jon, chkdsk fixes anything, REALLY?!

CHKDSK has fixed many things for me in the past.

 RCB> [e:\] fst check -p g:
 RCB> WARNING: FNODE 1916597 ("\image\wustl\j\jung-do.jpg"):
 RCB> Contiguous runs of disk sectors

This is a warning.  Indeed, from the content of the message it doesn't seem to
be indicating any actual error in the disc structure whatsoever.  The
immediate reaction is "So the runs are contiguous.  So what ?  That's allowed
in HPFS.  Indeed if the file is larger than what will fit into two bands,
roughly 16MeB, having multiple runs is unavoidable.".

 RCB> No, chkdsk dont fix anything, in my own experience.
 RCB> Neither graham utilities & gammatech work, NOTHING fixes this!

That's because what FST seems to be reporting above *isn't actually an error*
in the HPFS filesystem structure.  There's nothing to be fixed.

Hence the reason that FST prepends the label "WARNING:" rather than "ERROR:"
perhaps ?

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         30-Sep-99 09:58:18
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 RCB> Is possible to get file in real ftp sessions?

If you encounter a URL whilst using your web browser that begins "ftp://",
then you can crank up an FTP client to obtain the file.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         30-Sep-99 10:01:04
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

 RCB> I like very much about it.

 RCB> I posted a msg on GUOS2BR about it months ago & was said be a "purist".

 RCB> The difference between 1000^3 & 1024^3 is very very big
 RCB> is between 1000^4 & 1024^4 is a absurdity...

 LA>> Is there any international effort about this?

 RCB> Jargon file had a entry only about it & is said dont exist yet.

It does.   http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html .

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         30-Sep-99 20:45:20
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj:   because of the wonderful things he does

 RCB> I like very much WIZ, but I would say, 32bit. :)
 RCB> Your program WHICH is good but is dont but yet dont is a "wiz".

I've looked at the WIZ documentation, and there really isn't much there that
one cannot already achieve with FF and SUM from OS2CLU version 2.0 and a
little imagination.  The syntax is slightly different, true, but I'd argue
that the command-line syntax of WIZ isn't exactly regular and consistent with
anything else in the first place.  The OS2CLU utilities all have a regular
syntax that is not only consistent across all utilities but also reasonably
consistent with other text-mode commands such as DEL.

Dealing with the options that WIZ supports in no particular order:

■ -a (find only archives) and -x (find only executables and scripts)

        FF supports UNIX-style extended wildcards, which are a (slightly
improper) superset of the wildcards that WIZ supports.  WIZ doesn't have {}
wildcards.  FF does.  This immediately provides a much more flexible way of
searching for executable and archive files than WIZ does with its -x and -a
options.  With FF, one simply uses an appropriate wildcard:

        C:\>WIZ -a c:WIZ*

                becomes

        [C:\]FF /S c:WIZ*.{arc,arj,lzh,pak,zip,zoo}

                and

        C:\>WIZ -x c:WIZ*

                becomes

        [C:\]FF /S c:WIZ*.{exe,com,bat,btm}

        The advantage of using wildcards is that one can easily extend the
scheme. WIZ's set of archive extensions is hard-coded.  (It doesn't know about
RAR or TAR.GZ archives, for example.  And it doesn't know about *.CMD script
files, either.)  But by using wildcards one can easily extend or restrict the
list of extensions that qualify filenames as "archives":

        [C:\]FF /S c:WIZ*.{arc,arj,lzh,pak,zip,zoo,rar,jar,tar.gz,tar.bz2}

                or

        [C:\]FF /S c:WIZ*.{zip,lzh}

■ -s (size qualifier) and -d (date qualifier)

        FF doesn't support these.  These are the only significant features of
WIZ that one cannot duplicate with FF.  But it's worth noting that FF has
selection by attribute, /A, which WIZ doesn't have.  So the comparison isn't
entirely one-sided here.

■ -v and -vv (diagnostics)

        FF doesn't support equivalents to these.  FF used to have an animated
progress display, but I found that it obscured the actual output when
redirecting to file or through a pipe to another program (such as MORE).  I
doubt that anyone seriously uses these in any case.

■ -p (omit date, time, and size) -pp (omit header and footer) and -y (summary
only)

        FF supports all of this functionality (and slightly more) with its /F,
/U, /C, /Q, and /B options.

■ -q (limit to certain paths)

        FF doesn't need this because, unlike WIZ, FF allows path specifiers in
wildcards.  So instead of

        C:\>WIZ c:WIZ*.* -q\utils\

                simply write

        [C:\]FF /S c:\utils\WIZ*

■ -e (display seconds in timestamps)

        FF displays seconds by default.  FF can also switch between local and
ISO 8601 display formats, and even display (where available) any of the last
modification, last write, and last access timestamps of a file (or even all of
them at the same time).

■ -n (skip network drives)

        This option has no relevance in the first place.  WIZ reads volumes
directly, sector by sector, to search for files.  Whilst this may provide
speed benefits on DOS it's downright silly on OS/2.  For one thing, it
requires the program itself to duplicate the functionality of the filesystem
driver.  On DOS, WIZ only needs to understand FAT, but on OS/2 it would need
to support, and keep up with, *all* of the possible volume formats that one
can use on OS/2, from HPFS to FAT32, stopping at EXT2 along the way.  (And
notice that this vulnerability of WIZ to being made obsolete was even
demonstrated on DOS, when the author had to produce a new release to cope with
the new >32MeB volumes in MS-DOS 4.) As I said, WIZ may have used this
technique for DOS, but by far the most sensible design for an operating system
such as OS/2 Warp is to leave understanding the filesystem structures to the
filesystem drivers (whose job that is) and to leave optimising disc accesses
and minimising head travel (which software cannot reliably do for SCSI and ATA
discs *anyway*) to the cacheing subsystem(s) (whose job that is).  This is
what FF does.

■ -g (go to directory)

        This option is impossible to duplicate, because this particular quirk
of DOS simply doesn't exist outside of DOS.  Changing the working directory of
a different process (such as the command interpreter that runs a program) is
impossible on most well-designed operating systems where processes are
insulated from one another, including OS/2 Warp.

■ -m (more)

        FF is designed to be used in situations where it *should not* assume
that its output is being sent to a console device.  It can be used in a
command window in EPM, for example, or as a TTY application in Take Command
for OS/2, or in a command pipeline, or even in a detached session.  As such,
it has no foundation for assuming that it can determine the number of lines to
display on each screenful, since its output need not actually be a screen in
the first place.  To display the output of FF one screen at a time, as if
piped through the MORE command, simply pipe it through the MORE command!  It's
not as if one is using an operating system such as DOS, where one doesn't have
real pipes where both ends can run in parallel.  (-:

■ -l (look inside archives) and -b (look at ordinary files as well)

        FF scans archives for matching filenames, too.  It allows fine-grained
control of which archives to look inside with its /ARC, /ARJ, /LZH, /PAK,
/RAR, /ZIP, and /ZOO options, and has the /DIR option to match WIZ's -b
option.  All of the options can be followed by either '+' or '-'.

■ -r (don't skip over PC-Tools's SENTRY directory)

        This doesn't apply to OS/2.

■ -rr (print CRCs)

        This is what I would class as an "army knife" option.  It's an attempt
to make one tool do too many jobs by bolting on features.  Like the parts of
an "army knife" that aren't specifically related to its core function of
_being a knife_, it pales in comparison to a tool specifically designed to do
the relevant job.  FF doesn't print checksums.  OS2CLU version 2.0 has the SUM
command for calculating all sorts of checksums, from CRC-32 to MD5.

■ -c (run command)

        This is another "army knife" option.  Again, a far better approach on
OS/2 is to pipe the output of FF through a second command, that reads each
line of its input and acts upon it.  I posted a FOREACHLINE.CMD REXX script,
that does exactly that, in the OS2REXX echo a couple of weeks ago, which one
can quite easily use to achieve what WIZ achieves with its -c option.  (I'm
sure that some enterprising REXX programmer could modify my script into an
XARGS.CMD if one wanted to reduce process setup and teardown overhead, too.)
So instead of

        C:\>WIZ WIZ* -c"erase *"

                write something like

        [C:\]FF /C/U/B /S/E WIZ* | FOREACHLINE DEL

        (Substitute "SUM /U" for "DEL" in the above and you even have the
equivalent of WIZ's -rr option.)

        The advantage of using the pipe is, of course, concurrency.  FF can be
busy searching for more filenames at the same time as FOREACHLINE is executing
the DEL command to delete the file.  With the approach taken by WIZ (and
because of the constraints of WIZ being a DOS tool that runs on DOS), no such
concurrency is possible.

According to the documentation, at any rate, this covers all of the features
that WIZ has.  As you can see, with all bar two of the features of WIZ (-s and
-d to specify ranges, and -v for diagnostic output), either the feature
doesn't apply to non-DOS systems or one can do the equivalent with FF or SUM
right now.

If you have a particular usage of WIZ that I haven't covered above, post it
for everyone to see, and either I or the others in this echo will help you to
find a way of doing the same thing with native OS/2 tools.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         01-Oct-99 07:48:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: sigma

 JdeBP> He is currently working on a project which he believes will
 JdeBP> astonish 32-bit OS/2 users.

 RCB> Is this a WIZ/2 ? :)

No.  It's something else entirely.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         01-Oct-99 10:20:08
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: Why there are no OS/2 viruses

 RCB> To make a virus for it guys is a trivial task [...]

No it isn't.  Making a native OS/2 virus is actually a very *complex* task.

Many people rank the skills of virus writers quite highly.  But speaking as a
programmer I don't have that high a regard for them.  Writing DOS viruses is
*easy*.  It's at most 500-odd bytes of machine code, after all.

What is complex is what OS/2 requires one to do that DOS doesn't in order to
produce a working virus.

■ OS/2 requires a virus writer to understand the internals of the LX and NE
executable file formats, and to write code that can modify them in order to
infect files.  DOS viruses only need to understand the COM format, and
sometimes the MZ format as well, which are both a lot simpler.

■ OS/2 requires that a virus writer know how to write code that executes in
16-bit and 32-bit protected mode, as well as plain old 8086 real mode.  DOS
viruses only execute in 8086 real mode.

■ For a "stealth" virus OS/2 also requires that a virus writer know how to
write code that operates in ring 0, that hooks into the internal operations of
the disc device driver, and that thus knows all about request packets,
adapters, and units.  DOS "stealth" viruses simply hook into the BIOS hard
disc service vector, which has a simple calling interface and which only run
in 8086 real mode.

■ For a boot sector or a "direct infector" virus OS/2 requires that a virus
writer know how to obtain access to the raw volume in OS/2, including the
locking protocol that OS/2 enforces for such operations, and also requires
that a virus writer include code that understands all of the different volume
formats that OS/2 supports and that could potentially be in use (FAT12, FAT16,
FAT32, EXT2, and HPFS, for example).  DOS "direct infector" viruses only need
to understand FAT12 and FAT16 (and possibly FAT32 if they are ambitious,
although FAT32 isn't *that* different to the other two).

The fact that no-one, in the 8 or so years that 32-bit OS/2 has existed so
far, has produced a native OS/2 virus -- despite the fact that OS/2 is
mainstream enough to be mentioned in the computer magazines, despite the fact
that the many sysops and banks around the world who run OS/2 are tempting
targets, and despite the fact that many people have not been shy of publically
doubting the abilities of virus writers to write viruses for OS/2 for most of
that time -- strongly indicates that none of the virus writers have found
themselves up to the task of writing an OS/2 virus.

One can only conclude that virus writers aren't actually very skilled as
programmers.  They write DOS viruses because they are *easy to write*.  They
write Windows NT macro viruses because those viruses can be written *in BASIC*
and are again easy to write.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Oct-99 09:51:23
  To: Bob Wright                                        05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 JdBP>> If you crank up IBM's 16-bit CMD, and run the TIME command with the
 JdBP>> /? option, you will notice that it documents a /N option.

 BW> Not on Warp Connect it doesn't... this is with FP42.  The only thing
 BW> that comes up if you use DATE /? is: [...omitted...]
 BW> If you use "Help date", you get essentially the same information
 BW> except in INF format..

The _TIME command_ is not generally spelled 'D' 'A' 'T' 'E'.  (-:

Here's the help text message for the TIME command from IBM's 16-bit CMD as
supplied with OS/2 Warp 4.0.6 :

        [C:\]time /?
        Use the TIME command to display or change the system time
        or to reset the time on your computer clock.
        Syntax:
          TIME [hh:mm:ss] [/N]
        where:
          hh   Specifies the hour.
          mm   Specifies the minute.
          ss   Specifies the seconds and the hundredths of a second, separated
               by a period.
          /N   Means no prompt for TIME.

        Type TIME without parameters to display the current time setting
        and the prompt for a new time.  Press Enter to keep the same time.

        Type TIME with parameters to enter the time without being prompted
        by the system.

        [C:\]

As I said, documenting the option is as far as IBM's 16-bit CMD goes.  It
doesn't actually implement it.  The 32-bit CMD does, however:

        [C:\]ver
        CMD 0.1.18   OS/2 2.40.0
        [C:\]time /n
        Current time is: Sat 1999-10-02 10:56:36 +0100
        [C:\]

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Oct-99 10:02:06
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: MP3 file won't play

 RCB> Z! dont play this: mpeg 1.0 layer I, 64kbit/s, 48000 Hz.

 RCB> The filename: Bach-Cello_Suite_No1_Courante.mp3

 RCB> I dont remember where I downloaded this, probably someone ftp.

You did download it using FTP in _binary_ mode, didn't you ?

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Oct-99 11:07:27
  To: David Randall                                     05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

 DR> From the FAQ in the email message to ibm.net customers:
 DR>
 DR> Q15. Does AT&T WorldNet(r) Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
 DR> A15. No. The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer.
 DR>      If you are an OS/2 customer, please click here
 DR>      http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer
 DR>      of AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your
 DR>      OS/2 dialer.

In other words, the FAQ was written by a marketdroid with little understanding
of the issue to address a question asked by users who *also* don't seem to
understand the issue.

The question is predicated on the incorrect assumption that diallers are
linked to ISPs.  They aren't, of course, as anyone who has used the "Dial
Other Internet Providers" dialler will know.  Diallers are generic, because
protocols such as PPP and CHAP are generic.  But a naive user who has only
ever been exposed to the custom dialler that IBM provides for OS/2
specifically for its *own* ISP service could well form the mistaken idea that
diallers *are* linked to individual ISPs.

The answer is predicated on the incorrect assumption that AT&T needs to offer
a dialler to replace the custom IBM dialler supplied with OS/2 otherwise OS/2
users cannot access it service.  It doesn't, of course.  All that AT&T needs
to supply to any customer using OS/2, business or residential, is the
information about protocols, telephone numbers, IP numbers, and hostnames to
plug into the "Dial Other Internet Providers" supplied as standard with OS/2.
Indeed, since the information, once entered, is contained in %ETC%\TCPOS2.INI,
they could even automate the process of entering the configuration information
with a relatively trivial REXX script.  But it's easy to see how AT&T could,
from being told how OS/2 customers connected to IBM's service, mistakenly
deduce that it *would* have to supply its own dialler.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Oct-99 12:26:16
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: It's not a fat lady at all

 HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 2.0 arrives
 HR> the world
 HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 2.1 arrives
 HR> the world
 HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 2.11 arrives
 HR> the world
 HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 WARP 3
 HR> arrives the world
 HR> It rumors very often: OS/2 is dead - some time later OS/2 WARP 4
 HR> arrives the world

Actually, the resurgence in "OS/2 is dead" rumours on Fidonet and Usenet have
a 100% statistical correlation with releases of Microsoft operating systems.
Long time echo participants such as myself have long since noticed this
correlation. There were peaks just before the releases of each of Windows NT
3.5, DOS-Windows 95, Windows NT 4, and DOS-Windows 98.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         02-Oct-99 12:41:27
  To: Jack Stein                                        05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: OS/2 Sales

 SH>> [IBM was] given a choice - just hours (NOT days) before the release
 SH>> of Win'95 (not an acronym, BTW). If they wanted to be able to bundle it
 SH>> with their machines, they had to quit MARKETING OS/2. Not "pull the
plug"
 SH>> on it, but stop marketing it.

 JS> I'm sure that all came out in the DOJ law suit against MS, right?

Actually, yes it did.  I followed that part of the testimony with some
interest.  It turned out that Microsoft put the screws on IBM about the
royalties that IBM was paying to Microsoft for the Windows 3.1 kernel bundled
with OS/2, claiming that IBM had underpaid, and demanded an audit.  Alongside
that, it tried to link the outcome of this audit of OS/2 royalties to the
entirely separate issue of the price which the IBM PC Company had to pay for
the copies of DOS-Windows 95 that it would be pre-installing on its machines.
The wrangling went on right up until the night before the actual launch of
DOS-Windows 95, at which point IBM caved in, and agreed to promoting
DOS-Windows 95 as its primary operating system, at the expense of OS/2.  (This
is what Microsoft's "market development agreements" require.) Whereupon
Microsoft agreed that in exchange IBM could buy the OEM licences for
DOS-Windows 95 for pre-installing at a much lower price.  According to the
trial coverage at _The Register_, this reduction in the price of DOS-Windows
95 saved IBM almost $50,000,000 .

In other words, for agreeing to promote and use DOS-Windows 95 in 75% to 90%
of all cases, IBM gained the ability to buy DOS-Windows 95 at roughly the same
price that Microsoft was charging to the likes of Dell, HP, and Gateway,
rather than at a much higher price.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         03-Oct-99 10:23:18
  To: Holger Granholm                                   05-Oct-99 03:33:01
Subj: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

 HG> I wonder what I'm doing wrong because I can FTP-connect to Hobbes as
 HG> anonymous and my e-mail address as password but it always comes back
 HG> and tells me that the password is wrong.

Hobbes has a limit on the number of anonymous users that can connect
simultaneously.  If you are using an FTP client that treats any error response
from the PASS command as "password is wrong", then it will have been seeing
the "too many anonymous users" message from the FTP server and treating it as
a password error.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   04-Oct-99 20:40:00
  To: Andrew Belov                                      05-Oct-99 07:38:20
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old hardware

-=> Andrew Belov wrote to Nick Andre <=-

Hello Andrew,

NA> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30
NA> meg free?

AB> The simplest way to accomplish this task is to use the BOOTOS2
AB> utility, that creates an image of your OS/2 installation.

Yes, but to do that, you must already have an installed OS/2.

Have a nice day,

Holger


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From: Holger Granholm                                   04-Oct-99 20:40:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     05-Oct-99 07:38:20
Subj: /DBUFF

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Russell Tiedt <=-

Hi Peter,

PK>I use an Adaptec 1542C controller on the BBS with 32Mb memory using
PK>the /DBUFF parameter to enable double buffering that is a work-around
PK>the 16Mb DMA limit with ISA bus cards. You need the AHA154x driver
PK>dated 12 Aug 1996 or later for this.

THAT is one thing I have never tried on this machine that gets slower
with 32 Mb than it's with 16 Mb. I'll try that next time I have reason
to open it. I have an Adaptec 2842 controller in it.

Thanks for the tip.

Have a nice day,

Holger


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       03-Oct-99 17:20:00
  To: ROY J. TELLASON                                   05-Oct-99 07:38:20
Subj: system clock?

Some senseless babbling from Roy J. Tellason to Mike Ruskai
on 10-02-99  22:20 about system clock?...

 RJT> MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON:

 MR> /* Re-create clock object */
 MR> call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs','RexxUtil','SysLoadFuncs'
 MR> call SysLoadFuncs

 MR> class='WPClock'
 MR> name='System Clock'
 MR> loc='<WP_CONFIG>'
 MR> options='OBJECTID=<WP_CLOCK>'

 MR> check=SysCreateObject(class,name,loc,options,'U')
 MR> if check=1 then say name||' created.'
 MR> else say name||' *not* created.'
 MR> /* end */

 RJT> Ok,  it says it did it.  Now where'd it put it?

<WP_CONFIG> is the object ID for the System Setup folder.

If it's not there, change the 'U' to 'R', to replace any existing objects.
It might be in a corrupted state that makes it invisible, I supposed.

Mike Ruskai
[e-mail]


... Existence is not only temporary, but also pointless.

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From: Roger Nelson                                      04-Oct-99 08:23:22
  To: Jack Stein                                        05-Oct-99 09:18:26
Subj: OS/2 Support

Jack Stein wrote in a message to Roger Nelson:

 JS> What I'm talking about is taking the $3 BILLION IBM spent on the
 JS> dead, or soon to be dead LOTUS, and spend it getting OS/2 into the
 JS> main distribution system, insuring that developers had the
 JS> software and support needed to develope and distribute their
 JS> applications.

I vaguely remember attending an IBM seminar in New Orleans in August (I forget
the year, but think it was '94) where Warp was lap-topped and big-screened for
the atttendees.  The laptops had 20MB of RAM in them, so Warp literally flew.
Later on after lunch, we went to another room where there was a Lotus rep
previewing for the masses the Lotus SmartSuite for OS/2.  He was asked a lot
of pointed questions, some by me, and gave satisfactory answers to all but one
-- "Is IBM merging with or purchasing Lotus Development?"  He declined to
comment. Anyway, I bought the SmartSuite for OS/2 because I was heavily into
Lotus at that time and found the comparison of it to the one for Windows
dreadful.  I couldn't get anything I wrote in Lotus for Win to format properly
in Lotus for OS/2.  It may have sheer frustration on my part that caused me to
give up on it or it may have been a "feature" in the program.

 JS> If you gave me $3 BILLION dollars to waste in 1993, I would have
 JS> had at least one of the major distributors of computers selling and
 JS> supporting OS/2, right damn next to WIN 3.1.  In less than a year,
 JS> WIN would have been crushed as useless junk, and everyone would
 JS> have been running OS/2.

It may not have been that simple, Jack, but it is probably for the reason you
give (below).  You would still have to convince the software develpoers to
write apps for it and while some are, they pale in comparison to the multitude
of programs available to the home user.

The debaucle of Warp will undoubtedly will be recorded by historians as
another unsolved mystery.

 JS> IBM DID NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN!

Regards,

Roger
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From: Bob Wright                                        04-Oct-99 17:37:27
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      05-Oct-99 15:24:02
Subj: It's not quite over

Greetings, Ron...

 Ron Nicholls hastily said to Bob Wright:

 BW>>
 BW>  ML>> It seems that ibm.net has classified me as a "consumer"
 BW>  ML>> customer (which, in truth, I am), not as a "business" customer.
 BW>>
 BW>> Odd... I didn't get classified as a "consumer" customer
 BW>> (although, in fact, I am).   Everything in the letter I got
 BW>> refers to my ID being "[e-mail]" where it's
 BW>> now "[e-mail]".
 BW>>
 BW>>

 RN> Same here, except "news1"  is still 'news1.ibm.net'.

 RN> All this changed over at the last log on, apparently, and I wonder
 RN> if the 'news1' is a glitch.

I wonder... mine did change over to "news1.attglobal.net".


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        04-Oct-99 17:41:29
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      05-Oct-99 15:24:02
Subj: It's not quite over

Greetings, Ron...

 Ron Nicholls hastily said to Eddy Thilleman:


 ET> ML>> discussing the changeover from my ibm.net account to an equivalent
 ET> ML>> AT&T account, which would take place starting Oct 1, this year.
 ET>>
 ET>> I think that with any dialer you should be able to connect to any
 ET>> internet  connection service (if you have the TCP/IP addresses and
 ET>> the domain names etc. all the data you need to fill in) ??

 RN> I have looked, superficially, at the internet dialer and it would seem
 RN>  that editing the 'INI' file would be the only way, unless you
 RN> know of another.

I don't know about editing the INI file, since it's not a text file (I just
checked).

However, one COULD try editing the user object (IBM Internet Connection
Services folder), which is what the IBM dialler uses.

An even better option would be to use DOIP, which allows you to specify all
the options you need...  ( my wife still uses the setup there, since she's
used to it... no amount of attempted persuasion on my part will convince her
to use Injoy yet).


        -- Bob

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From: Peter French                                      05-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: All                                               05-Oct-99 00:00:00
Subj: Hammer&Screwdriver

    Hi all,
  Went through a rather messy reinstall of the S3 video driver on my system
and
now observe that the dreaded Hammer and screwdriver (WPObjData) Data File is
back in my Templates folder.  This is an annoyance as there is a WPDataFile in
there also called Data File.  A looong time ago there was a trick published to
get rid of this - anyone with a long memory or a good retrieval/storage tricks
& tip database?

  About the time of this anomaly, I noticed a folder which contains quite a
large collection of standard text files (WPDataFile)s who have had their
ICON's
turned to Digital Video.  Their current class is MMVideo although they still
contain the text that a REXX CMD generates for me.  Using Association Editor,
I
have made sure that the association for the .DAT extension is with EPM.  I can
change the files class back to the correct one >Properties >Become >Change
gets
them back to WPDataFile - BUT - every time my REXX CMD runs, it creates a
*.DAT
file with the wrong class!  I've searched the Registry for clues, and tried
all
combinations in ASSOEDIT.EXE but the problem persists.

  Q1, how can I go through a range of object and change their class back to a
defined type without doing it individually and manually

  Q2, I suspect the problem is related to the Hammer & Screwdriver.  What
causes this change and how do I reverse the problem permanently.


___
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From: Peter French                                      05-Oct-99 00:00:01
  To: Frits Spieker                                     05-Oct-99 00:00:01
Subj: Free lunch *is* over

    Hey Frits,
On 1999-10-03, Frits Spieker wrote to Andy Roberts on message number 361;
FS> And then Andy Roberts mumbled something about 'It's NOT over. Period.'.

FS>                     No more free downloads of Netscape. No
FS> more free updates to JAVA. No more free ... etc...
FS> So unless your sister-in-law is willing to fork out some
FS> (what is it) US$279,-- per 2 years just for some updates
FS> that are free for about every other known opsys in the
FS> universe, she has indeed reasons to worry.

  Come down to earth!  In the time others have paid hundreds of $ each time
they "upgrade" from Win3.1 to Win95 and then Win98 and now W2000 (and stood in
queues to do it) IBM has given me free access to 12 upgrades to Warp 4 adding
function and stability along the way.  Now they are asking me to pay $279 for
2
years of future updates to my favourite Intel OS.  Hmmm, tough choice here!

Cynics know the price of everything but the value of nothing.


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   05-Oct-99 13:33:01
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       05-Oct-99 18:21:06
Subj: system clock?

MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON:

 RJT> Ok,  it says it did it.  Now where'd it put it?

 MR> <WP_CONFIG> is the object ID for the System Setup folder.

 MR> If it's not there, change the 'U' to 'R', to replace any
 MR> existing objects. It might be in a corrupted state that makes
 MR> it invisible, I supposed.

I just booted that box,  and it's in there...

Dunno what happened the last time.  <shrug>

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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     05-Oct-99 20:44:23
  To: Paul Hildebrandt                                  05-Oct-99 20:15:24
Subj: Faster with FP40

Paul Hildebrandt wrote on 28 Sep 1999 at 23:11 to Jaap van.Veen:

 PH> Hello Jaap!

 PH> 28 Sep 99 16:49, Jaap van.Veen wrote to All:

 JvV> Hallo All,

 JvV> I have a quite conventional system 486DX266 with 40MB memory and
 JvV> two 400MB IDE harddisks and WARP 3.0. Since installing FP40 from
 JvV> FP37 I noticed a 10 to 15% performance increase for most
 JvV> applications.

 JvV> Does somebody know what could have caused this increase??

 PH> IBM's reason for releasing fixpacks is to increase performance and
 PH> fix bugs. Unlike MS which just releses a newer version and charges
 PH> everyone for it.

 PH> If you meant what in the fixpack increased the performance I
 PH> haven't the slightest idea. I apply fixpacks as little as possible.
I discovered that I have not yet reacted to your remarks.

You have to make sure that your system is 2K ready.
I applied FP17 just for the fun to know how such fixpaks are applied.
Then I installed FP 32 to prepare for 2K. Lateron I found that this was not
completely correct. So I jumped to FP36. However this one did not support the
Dutch Keyboard correctly (dead key support). So I had to back out.
So I took FP37. At the same time I had a system crash so I did not know wether
some behaviours of the system resulted from the crash or from the fixpak. One
odd behaviour was with DOSCIM (comsuserve information manager for DOS). After
receiving some messages it took some 7 seconds or more to save the received
information before going offline. Now after installing FP40 this delay
has disappeared and the system goes on hook immediatly after receiving the
messages. So clearly it has to do with hard disk management.

So the delay has been introduced by FP37 and solved by FP40.
Jaap
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From: Will Honea                                        05-Oct-99 01:51:00
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   05-Oct-99 01:51:00
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Herbert Rosenau wrote to Nick Andre on 10-03-1999

HR> No. For that you should install OS/2 1.x. OS/2 1.x would
HR> run on each 386 with 2 MB or more but OS/2 2.x MUST have 8
HR> MB or more

OS/2 2.1 would boot in 2 meg, 3.0 required just about 3 - been there,
done that.  Some people used command line shells (TSHELL, for example)
to run BBS's with 4 meg.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Will Honea                                        05-Oct-99 01:52:01
  To: Peter Knapper                                     05-Oct-99 01:52:01
Subj: system clock?

Peter Knapper wrote to Roy J. Tellason on 10-04-1999

PK> Hi Roy,
PK>
PK>  PK> The "current" release is MEMSZ331.ZIP, about 640Kb.
PK>
PK>  RJT> I don't seem to have that here.  Care to email it?
PK>
PK> Your lucky day. By the time you read this you wil probably
PK> have the V3.20 that I already had at work.

Why not the latest,  ver 4?

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  04-Oct-99 09:26:23
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                05-Oct-99 23:20:13
Subj: File Managers

Hello Stewart!

01 Oct 99 16:17, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>> Which Z!?
 SH> There's more than one?
    I'm wrong. Slightly %) Which mpg123.dll?

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... OS/2: Bill Gates' worst nightmare!
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  04-Oct-99 09:28:04
  To: Will Honea                                        05-Oct-99 23:20:13
Subj: Java 1.1.8 and some usef

Hello Will!

01 Oct 99 19:41, Will Honea wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 WH> I thought I was the only one who resorted to this little goody!  Would
 WH> you happen to have any documentation (or a source for same) on the
 WH> clifi program?
    Nope. Only readmes from distribution :(

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... OS/2 means...CURTAINS for Windows!
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  04-Oct-99 11:06:23
  To: Nick Andre                                        05-Oct-99 23:20:13
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Nick!

01 Oct 99 14:25, Nick Andre wrote to All:
 NA> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30 meg
 NA> free?
    The minimal configuration what I made was: OS/2 WARP 3; FileBar as Shell
MPTS; TCP/IP; Xitami as HTTPD; FTPServer as FTP and Weasel as SMTP/POP3 both
by
Peter Moylan. All of them occupies ~26-28 megs on Seagate's st-351(42 megs ;)
    1) Install and customize OS/2 on any HDD with a lot of free megs. (Source
HDD)
    2) Use LXLite 1.21 to compress DLL's and execs
    3) Use Boot OS/2 tool and create (following the instruction) cutted OS/2
on
small drive. (Target HDD)
    If you need network support.
    4) Install network card(if you really need it) and required components on
Source HDD. Please, don't use Selective Install For networking. 'cause it pull
a
bunch of shit. For example: using Install.Exe from TCP/IP 3.0 I can do not(?)
install unsuitable things as NewsReader/2, Gopher, Ultimedia Mail lite and so
on.
    5) Remove all unneeded parts such as unuseable NDIS drivers from
\MPTS\MACS
    6) Manually copy all networking related catalogs to Target HDD.
    7) Carefully manually copy all config.sys entries added by networking
system to config.sys on Target HDD
    8) Enjoy.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... For a good time, call 1-800-3IBMOS2
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  04-Oct-99 11:24:18
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     05-Oct-99 23:20:13
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Hello Russell!

01 Oct 99 22:57, Russell Tiedt wrote to All:
 RT> Are there any free e-mail servers for OS/2 Warp3 Connect?
    Weasel by Peter Moylan (latest is weasel085.zip on hobbes)
 RT> HTTP servers would also be welcome.
    Xitami. (www.imatix.com)

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... Windows: From the people who brought you EDLIN!
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  04-Oct-99 11:26:22
  To: Dan Egli                                          05-Oct-99 23:20:13
Subj: FixPack 11

Hello Dan!

02 Oct 99 00:15, Dan Egli wrote to All:
 DE> I tried to install FixPack 11 today. But it keeps telling me there
 DE> are no products selected, yet it never gives me the option to select
 DE> a product. Can I install Fixpack 11? I have installed nothing before.
 DE> Seems I heard a rumor that fixpack 7 must be installed before any
 DE> above 7 can be. Is that true?
    Nope. You must install FP using CSF 1.41.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... One man's Windows are another man's walls.
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 19:49:14
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: OS/2 Support

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 SH> 27 Sep 99 18:54, Jack Stein wrote to Roger Nelson:

 JS> They made sure it didn't happen.  IBM NEVER wanted the masses to run
 JS> anything but WIN.  It was in their control, they simply did not want
 JS> it to happen, and it didn't.  Why they didn't is speculation, that
 JS> they didn't is as obvious as it gets in the business world.

 SH> {sigh} I thought talking out of your ass was decidedly
 SH> "excessively annoying behaviour" around here...

You obviously have no clue what "excessively annoying behaviour" means.  Your
post might be, mine wasn't even in the ballpark.  Just because someone doesn't
share your opinions doesn't mean they are excessively annoying.  Insulting
someone might be...

Nothing you could possibly say would annoy me though, so, carry on, I don't
mind.

Your points regarding IBM and OS/2 are not convincing in the least, but keep
trying if you like.

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 19:57:04
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: It's over. Period.

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 SH> 27 Sep 99 19:33, Jack Stein wrote to Steven Thompson:

 JS> You heard of LINUX right?

 SH> No, but I have heard of Linux.

 JS> AT&T owned that, lock stock and barrel,

I meant UNIX, not Linux, sorry about that.

 SH> Interesting.. Linux has been an open source operating system
 SH> right from the start.

No shit Dick Tracy.

 JS> yet, Linus managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?

 SH> Hmm. Another interesting point.

 SH> Perhaps you should read this;

I read it, so what?

 SH> % Hello everybody out there using minix -
 SH> %
 SH> % I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't
 SH> be big and % professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.

Linux is still a clone of AT&T's UNIX System V.

 SH> This has been brewing % since april, and is starting to get
 SH> ready.  I'd like any feedback on % things people
 SH> like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat

Yep, resembles AT&T's System V somewhat also, a lot in fact.

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 20:01:17
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: Editor

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 RJT> Jack Stein wrote in a message to Paul Marwick:

 PM> I'm suprised you couldn't find it. Anyhow, on its way...

 JS> Paul, I assume you are speaking of the FED025s.zip editor? I
 JS> looked for it too, with no luck, although I found a million
 JS> copies of FED024.zip.  I took a look at 024 and it has GREAT
 JS> potential.  I like the work the guy did so far, and like the

 RJT> Jack,  if you haven't got it by the time you read this you
 RJT> can pick it up here,  either via freq or by way of the
 RJT> fileserv.

Thanks Roy, I got it now, several people sent it to me in fact.  I think it's
the same as ver. 2.4 though, no real changes, but full source code included.
There are about 3 or 4 things this thing needs to be a really nice editor.

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 20:04:15
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: It's over. Period.

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> You heard of LINUX right?  AT&T owned that, lock stock and
 JS> barrel,

 RJT> No.  AT&T owned _unix_,  which is not at all the same thing.

Yes, simple brain fart there Roy, I thought UNIX and typed LINUX.

 JS> yet, Linus managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?

Obviously I wasn't trying to say Linus cloned Linux:-)

 RJT> Yeah he did.  Which is why I don't see a problem with the
 RJT> same thing happening with OS/2.

That was my intended point, of course.

 RJT> All it needs is enough technically competent people to put the
 RJT> effort in.  Whether _that_ will happen is another question
 RJT> entirely,  though.

Probably won't happen, but you never know.  I was thinking, if IBM really
didn't wish to sell and maintain OS/2 for the consumer, they could license a
third party, keep a legal interest somehow, and watch MS get knocked on their
ass.  When/if they do that, or release the code to the public domain, then
I'll believe they are not pissing in MS's pocket.


                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 21:16:26
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: system clock?

Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 RJT> At one point here I had the "system clock" showing up on the
 RJT> desktop.  Not only is it not there any more,  but I can't even
 RJT> seem to find an icon in the current setup to access it!

 PK> My Warp 3 machine has the "System Clock" located in the System
 PK> setup Folder, but I can't remember if the Warp 3 install placed
 PK> it there or I moved it there (I tend to move things around how
 PK> I like........;-))

 RJT> As do I.  <g>  But it's not in there.  I've looked through
 RJT> all of the folders on my desktop,  and all of the folders
 RJT> that are in them,  and it's just not in there!  Weird...

 RJT> Can somebody point me to the right file here (Warp Connect),
 RJT> and suggest what I'd need to do to re-create the icon in its
 RJT> default location?

If you have my GetSet.cmd script, then you should be able to find it by
searching for "clock".   If not, then GetSet created this script to create my
system clock (WARP 3):

/************************************************************
 ** Rexx Script to Create ObjectID: <WP_CLOCK>
 ** Created via GetSet.Cmd  Version  1.75
 ** by Jack Stein - Jack's Free Lunch BBS 1:129/171
 **
 ** NOTE: This duplicates <WP_CLOCK>
 **
 ** Edit "OBjectID" VAR if you want new objectID
 ** Edit "Loc" VAR to place object in different folder
 ** The "TITLE" setting should match the NAME VAR.
 ** "Loc" must be an existing FOLDER ObjectID
 **
 ** IF you know legal settings for objects, you can
 ** add any you want, use this as a template etc.
 ** Make SURE you are familar with settings and how
 ** OBJECTS work.  See WPTools19.ZIP for more information
 ***********************************************************/
/***  Load Rexx Utilities  ***/
call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs','RexxUtil','SysLoadFuncs'
call SysLoadFuncs
/************************************************/
/***  Setup Strings  ***/
Type  = "WPClock"
Name  = "System Clock"
Loc   = "<WP_CONFIG>"
/************************************************/
/***  Setup Options Strings  ***/
Options =,
         'TITLE=System Clock;'||,
         'NOCOPY=YES;'||,
         'NODELETE=YES;'||,
         'NOPRINT=YES;'||,
         'HIDEBUTTON=DEFAULT;'||,
         'MINWIN=DEFAULT;'||,
         'CCVIEW=DEFAULT;'||,
         'DEFAULTVIEW=1659;'||,
         'OBJECTID=<WP_CLOCK>;'
/************************************************/
/***  Create Object ***/

Rcode = SysCreateObject(type,name,loc,options,'U')

if Rcode = 1 then say name||" created in: "loc
else say name||" *not* created."

/**************  End of Script  **************/

 PK> Its not a standard Program Object, its heavily customised with
 PK> no obvious reference to the executable.

This is true, it is a special object, as are many, like the startup folder and
so on.
                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 21:32:05
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: OS/2 Sales

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 SH> I'll type slowly, ok?

Whatever floats your boat.

 JS> No room for a stable GUI OS thats powerful, rather than pretty?
 JS>  How stupid is that statement?  The pretty part is just as
 JS> bogus as the rest of the statement, as OS/2 is just as "pretty"
 JS> as WIN.

 SH> Microsoft concentrates on adding as many "pretty" features
 SH> as possible. If it doesn't work properly, just add another
 SH> layer to cover it up. People won't mind re-booting 10 times
 SH> a day as long as they get to watch an animated logo and
 SH> listen to pretty music.

That's about as lame as it gets, you might as well typed fast...

 JS> Let me get this straight...  I should be sued for "libel" yet
 JS> what I said is true, although IBM was "forced" into doing what
 JS> I said they did?  You want to believe little old MS forced IBM
 JS> into doing something, go ahead, believe what you want.

 SH> No, what you said is false. You said that "IBM has NEVER
 SH> supported OS/2. NOT FOR ONE DAY." (I believe that's a pretty
 SH> accurate quote). I said that IBM stopped MARKETTING OS/2 to
 SH> the home user.

 JS> Yeah, right... The truth is not slander, nor libel, far as I know.

 SH> You don't know much about the law either, I see.

I guess thats slander on your part.

 SH> Where does your 'truth' come from? The fact that stores
 SH> don't carry OS/2? How substantiatable is that in court?

Go to any popular computer store.

 SH>> Tell me; when has IBM ever told anybody that OS/2 is not for
 SH>> them?

 JS> When they said the battle of the desktop is over,

 SH> Reference please.

Big Lou said it on the eve of 95's release...

 JS> when they said they OS/2 is not for the home user,

 SH> Reference please.

Look it up yourself.

 JS> they would not support the home user,

 SH> Reference please.

Same as above.

 JS> when they insured retail outlets

 SH> (That have insurance for retail outlets?)

 JS> did not have OS/2 to sell, and on

 SH> Haven't you been listening?

I don't need to listen.  I know when WARP was released, none of the computer
stores had copies for sale in my area.  People all over the country were
having the same problem.

 SH> People weren't buying OS/2, so stores stopped stocking it.

They didn't stop, they didn't have it for the most part.

 SH> One of the big facets of retail sales is organization. Trying
 SH> to get as much product into the amount of space you have
 SH> available to you in a visually appealing way. Why devote a
 SH> section to a product that won't sell, when you could use it for
 SH> more products that WILL sell?

It was up to IBM to support the marketing end of OS/2 so users would want to
try it.  They didn't, and users didn't.

 SH>> Don't you know about their current new product, WSeB?
 SH> [...]
 JS> Yawn.

 SH> Oh, pardon me, they're not catering to your individual
 SH> needs, so it bores you.

Correct.

 SH>> They can also get ~$2000 for each license of WSeB, whereas
 SH>> ~$200 for a license for OS/2 Warp for a home user is
 SH>> considered expensive.

 JS> Yawn!  MS made how much money selling OS for $50 to the home user?

 SH> $50? I seem to recall $139 and $80 price tags for 95 and 98.
 SH> Where do you shop?

Where have you been for the past 15 years, in a cave?

 JS> You sure don't.  Support means to provide for by supplying
 JS> money and other necessities.  Marketing was not supported by
 JS> IBM.

 SH> {sigh} Buy a dictionary, or take a marketing course.

{sigh} Are you stupid, or just uninformed?  Guess I'll have to dig out my
dictionary... lets see, The Ameriacn Heritage Dictionary of the English
Language says:

support:... 6) "To provide for or maintain by supplying with money or other
necessities."  7) To aid the cause of by approving, favoring, or advocating."

 JS> The ship was sinking because IBM did not support it, they
 JS> didn't WANT the ship to float.

 SH> More slander.

Stick it in your ear...

 SH>> Do you realize how expensive an ad campaign is? With the
 SH>> current trend in home users, there's no chance in hell they'll
 SH>> make it back in Warp revenues.

 JS> MS seems to do very well at it.

 SH> MS sells what people WANT.

Oh, I forgot, people WANT a lousy product that looks good, not a good product
that looks good, I almost forgot that little tidbit.

 SH> Sell a crap product that looks pretty, but has flaws. When they
 SH> release a 'fixpack' for said product, people flock out to buy
 SH> it.

Hard to compete with a company that screws it's customers, right?
Perhaps you should take a marketing course... I did, and this is exactly what
a competitor loves to see happen.  Makes moving in quite easy if you have a
superior product, and tons of money to make it happen.  IBM had both, but
didn't do it.

 SH> MS also gets their product pre-installed on pre-assembled
 SH> machines. Things like that drive up the common usage of the
 SH> product, so people get used to it.

IBM didn't know that, right?  Just a little secret between you and MS.

 SH> When people know nothing but the WIn'95 interface, they don't
 SH> want to change. Schools and businesses will install Win'95 (or
 SH> 98, now) so that their students/employees won't have to go
 SH> through a learning curve.

Ever here of Mac?

 SH> Microsoft has already done its bit by forcing companies to
 SH> pre-install their OSs, and buying/destroying competition.

MicroSoft was and is incapable of destroying IBM.  IBM was the second largest
Software distributor on Earth, and that was not thier major business.  MS was
third, and would die instantly if thier ONE product failed.

 SH> Now the usage of MS OSs is just spiralling, and they're
 SH> sitting at the bottom collecting the money.

Take a marketing course and learn that that is what happens when a huge cartel
controls the market.

 SH>> What are they supposed to do, go the way of Microsoft and
 SH>> force them to shelve it? I've talked to computer store
 SH>> owners/managers, and if they don't say "OS-what?" they tell
 SH>> me stories that go something like "I got a case of 100
 SH>> copies of Warp, and 6 months later returned 98 copies to
 SH>> IBM",

They were more than likely lying to you, they never had a case of OS/2.  Every
store I went to in OS/2's "hay day" either said they were sold out of it, or
couldn't get it.

 SH>> "I tried to sell Warp, but people went straight to the
 SH>> Microsoft section", "Nobody has shown any interest in OS/2"

 JS> Just more proof that IBM did not in any way support OS/2, ever.

 SH> What does that prove? That because IBM didn't (illegally)
 SH> shove their product in peoples' faces and down their
 SH> throats, that they're not interested in supporting it?

Yes, stores could easily stock OS/2 if people were interested in buying it.
IBM had the power, money and influence to market the hell out of OS/2, and
make it pretty, and make it installable, and provide developers with tons of
support.  The chose not to.

 SH> I'm interested in you joining my religion. I'll be at your
 SH> door every day at 6:00 AM, 12:00 noon, and 6:00 PM forcing
 SH> you to read my religious pamphlets. I will use whatever
 SH> force neccesary to get into your house, and when you're not
 SH> home, I'll fill your mailbox with advertisements.

 SH> I guess I'm "just interested in supporting" my religion,
 SH> right?

I haven't a clue what you're rambling about there?

 JS>>> IBM NEVER supported OS/2, not for one day.

 SH>>> I hope you're taken to court for libel.

I hope I'm not, IBM has more money than me, so I'd lose my ass.

 JS> Hope all you want.  I have a right to my opinion, and to speak
 JS> it, shout it from the roof tops if I wish.

 SH> Judging by this statement, and the above quoted statement,
 SH> I'm assuming that you don't understand the libel laws.

I'm not a damned laywer, if thats your question.

 SH> "I don't believe that IBM has sufficiently supported OS/2"
 SH> is an opinion. "IBM NEVER supported OS/2, not for one day."
 SH> is a libelous claim.

When given in a Fido conference, by a nobody, it is an opinion.  Only a dolt
would think otherwise.

 SH>> Why would they spend 10's of millions of dollars to develop a
 SH>> product for several years, which they never intended to
 SH>> support?

 JS> Tens of millions is NOTHING to IBM.  They blew THREE BILLION on
 JS> LOTUS, give me a break.

 SH> I was giving an example.

I was trying to enlighten you on why your example didn't hold water.  I might
add that the return on investment with owning the OS that is dominant on earth
would make the 3 BILLION wasted on LOTUS a fart in the wind.

 SH> Would you like me to request their payroll documents and
 SH> accounting records for the development years of OS/2, and post
 SH> an exact figure, rounded to the nearest million?

Go ahead.

 SH> My point was this;

 SH> They spent more money than you or I will likely ever see in
 SH> our entire lives on a product. Why would they do this if
 SH> they never intended for its success?

My point is that a few hundred million is nothing to a company that can piss
away $3 BILLION w/o blinking an eye.

 SH>>> Linux can NOT be "killed" by any corporation. Not even IBM and
 SH>>> Microsoft combined. You can't kill a product that's source
 SH>>> code is available on millions of sites worldwide.

 JS> True, not as easy to kill a product you don't own as it is to kill
 JS> your own, however, it is possible to make damn sure the mass market
 JS> doesn't want the product.  That is done with propaganda (ZIFF-DAVIS
 JS> propaganda machine - read what Dvorack or whatever the asses name had
 JS> to say about LINUX, it's on the ZIFF-DAVIS propaganda site)

 SH> {sigh}

 SH> Linux does not need a name to move forward.

{sigh} Yes it does.

 SH>  Microsoft has seen the rapid development of Linux, and it's
 SH> starting to scare them.

They starting getting scared when RedHat started becoming a market force,
although a small one.  Soon after IBM starts pouring cash into RedHat.  Enough
to make people think a little if they watched IBM in action over the last 15
years.

 SH> They now have an anti-Linux task force,
 SH> trying to debunk all claims of Linux's stabililty. They're
 SH> paying companies like Mindcraft to do "benchmarks" comparing the
 SH> two OSs, in completely unrealistic circumstances, and with
 SH> unequal equipment, and with an improperly configured Linux
 SH> (while a team of MCSE's worked on the NT machine) - which
 SH> led to "prove" that NT was faster than Linux as a server.

We all know MS is useless.  On the other hand, watch what you say, you might
be sued for libel and slander, in fact, I guess I should say I hope you are,
but then I'd be lying, I don't give a damn if you are or aren't.

 SH> Linux is just like musicians. Elvis, Alice Cooper, Ozzy
 SH> Osbourne, Marilyn Manson, etc.. The more people post bad
 SH> publicity about them, the more popular they get.

And Linux share of the desktop is?

 SH> If RedHat were to go completely bankrupt tomorrow - fold
 SH> totally. Destroy all products, all development, etc.. Linux
 SH> would not only survive - it would move PAST it.

It would survive, but where, on a few thousand meaningless computers...

 SH> Do you know how/why the TCP/IP protocol was designed? It was
 SH> designed for the military to transfer data across long
 SH> distances. In the event of a nuclear or similar disaster
 SH> (knocking out one or several major servers), the data would
 SH> be re-routed around it and still make its destination.

 SH> Linux is much the same way. There are 10's of 1000's of
 SH> independant developers working on Linux every day,
 SH> worldwide. The only common language they speak is C/C++.

The computer world knows less about LINUX than they do about OS/2.

 JS> I get it from the fact that IBM and INTEL are buying into
 JS> RedHat.
 JS> Simple really.

 SH> So? They're buying a name. They can't copyright any of the
 SH> Linux software currently available (IE and especially the
 SH> kernel) as it's open source and licensed under the GPL.

They don't want a company that will provide software support, and technical
support, and stand behind the product competing with them.  They don't worry
too much about a bunch of gear heads messing around with an OS that nobody
uses, or will use w/o that support.

 SH>> You've obviously never heard of SuSE. They've got about 80%
 SH>> of the sold-copy Linux market in Europe, and are rapidly
 SH>> gaining steam in the Americas.

 JS> Nope, never heard of them.

 SH> Then you are uninformed. You speak of Linux as if you're an
 SH> expert, yet you don't even know the big names involved.

Sorry for being so stupid, oh enlightened one...

 JS> I know more than 95% of the people on earth, thats a fact.

 SH> Really? I wait with baited breath for your explanation.

95% of the people on earth know little about DOS/WIN/OS2/UNIX.  I do.

 JS> No, they cannot kill linux, nor any other OS.  OS are not
 JS> living things.  They can stop a company from selling and
 JS> promoting the thing, simply by buying the damn company.  Linux
 JS> needs a name behind them to move big time into the market,
 JS> freeware is not yet ready to take over the computer OS market.

 SH> Wrong on both counts.

 SH> 1) The "name" behind Linux is Linus Torvalds.

He doesn't provide the things needed by business to run his OS.  Companies
want more than this.

 SH> 2) Linux is not by any means "freeware". Most software for
 SH> Linux is Open Source Software. Completely different concept,
 SH> completely different development system.

You're wrong again.  LINUX is freeware, it is not public domain.  You don't
know much do you, let me throw in one of your {sigh}'s...

 JS> LINUX

 SH> {sigh} It is not an acronym. The name of the operating
 SH> system is Linux.

{sigh} Who give's a rat's patoot?  Why don't you run a spell checker on my
post while you're at it...{sigh}

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 22:30:12
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 SH>> DOS is the lowest common denominator. Problem with your
 SH>> 32-bit OS? Boot a DOS floppy to fix it.

 JS> I've never booted DOS, any version to fix my 32 bit OS, not once, not
 JS> in I guess 9 years.  Why would one do something like that?

 SH> With three OSs installed on my machine, I find it handy to
 SH> boot to a DOS floppy for partition work. (Each of the OSs
 SH> was installed after another one was already using all
 SH> available space).

I too have 3 OS's installed.  I still never booted to DOS other than to
install WIN95.  DOS won't even read my large partitions.

 SH> I *COULD* use PQMagic while booted to OS/2, say, but I don't
 SH> trust partition manipulation while I'm booted to the HDD.

I've used it to resize partitions, I've never used DOS to partition a drive,
at least not in the last 10 years or so.

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 22:40:06
  To: John Thompson                                     06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: It's over. Period.

John Thompson wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JT> In a message to Steven Thompson, Jack Stein wrote re: It's
 JT> over. Period.

JS> You heard of LINUX right?  AT&T owned that, lock stock and barrel, yet,
 JT> Linus
JS> managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?

 JT> Not quite...

I know, brain fart there, I know Linus didn't clone his own OS:-)
I meant to say UNIX, not Linux..

 JT> Torvalds wanted a free, Unix-like operating system for his
 JT> PC. Minix was all there was at the time and he decided he
 JT> would write his own kernel and the rest is history.

Yes, I know.  And LINUX is POSIX compatable now, which means it is a clone of
UNIX SYSTEM V, which the UNIX POSIX standards are based on.  By "clone" I
don't mean an exact duplicate, I mean it walks like a duck, talks like a duck,
and looks like a duck, but not really a duck, at least not exactly that
duck...

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 22:51:06
  To: Murray Lesser                                     06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: It's not quite over

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 ML>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2
 ML> dialer.

JS>Neither does anyone else on earth, far as I know, so what?

 ML>     Haven't you heard of OS/2's DIALER.EXE?

No, if I did, I assumed it was the DOIP thing, sorry about that.

 ML>     I don't do, and never have done, Windows.  I don't own a
 ML> system that runs run any version of Windows.  So your
 ML> solution wouldn't work for me.

Yes, I understand.  I had to install WIN just to do that... I'm a pig, I know,
but I also had to prove to my kids that WIN sucks, so it had at least a bit of
socially redeeming value:-)

JS>AT&T and Bell Atlantic were/are very nice ISP's far as I'm
  >concerened.  I never ever once got a busy signal, and certainly you
  >can go anywhere you want on the net, no restrictions that I know
  >of.  I pay around $20 a month, little less I think for unlimited
  >($150/mo) service.

Oops, I meant to type 150 hours/month is their "unlimited" service.  AT&T did
the same exact thing.  Both had unlimited service for $20/month, but changed
it to "unlimited" up to 150 hours a month.  I guess some people, probably FIDO
Sysops, were hooking up to it permanantly.  I was going to do that myself.

  >I switched to Bell solely because they had a
  >local mumber.  Bottom line is you have to ignore everything they say
  >about OS/2, they are all ignorant, including IBM.

 ML>     It isn't who you can reach from any ISP (AFAIK, once you
 ML> are connected to the Internet, you can reach any valid URL).
 ML>  What is important to me is where you can reach your ISP
 ML> from.  Last week I was in California.  Next month I will be
 ML> in upstate NY (out of Bell Atlantic territory) and the month
 ML> after I will be in both Washington, DC, and Cape Cod MA.  My
 ML> system is a ThinkPad, and it goes with me wherever I go.
 ML> Besides, Bell Atlantic is my local carrier (they gobbled up
 ML> NYNEX) and, deservedly, have the reputation of providing the
 ML> worst service of any of the "baby Bells."  I use them for
 ML> nothing except local telephone service (I have no choice)
 ML> and wish to keep it that way.

I'm starting to get sick of Bell Atlantic and AT&T.  They are getting a larger
and larger chunk of my money every month.  No complaints about the service,
just how much it is all costing.  Half of that is taxes it seems, so, I'm sick
of Uncle Sam even more...

 ML>     Besides, I have no need for unlimited Internet service.
 ML> I have been paying ibm only $4.95/month for 3 hours per
 ML> month, which is usually more than sufficient.  If all goes
 ML> well, I should get the same service at the same rate after
 ML> the switchover.  If not, I will consider my options at that
 ML> time.

I paid AT&T $5 a month for 5 hours in the begining, the raised that to $10
minimum I think, and Bell the same, or worse, I forget.  I went all out, and
spring for the whole $20 bucks, I guess I get my money's worth, I read my
billiards conference on-line, but thats about all I do.  I could easily just
get my mail and read off-line, but I don't, have to justify the connection:-)
It is nice not having to think about it though...

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 23:06:12
  To: Murray Lesser                                     06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: It's not quite over

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Gord Hannah:


 ML>      The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2
 ML> dialer.

JS> Neither does anyone else on earth, far as I know, so what?

GH>I agree with Jack on this call, my ISP does not support OS/2 either
  >so here is what you need to do, if using DOIP or Injoy find out the
  >IP address, Gateway, domain name smtp stuff, and change your phone
  >number that you need to access the service, voila you are up and
  >running, it is that simple at least it was for me on my end.

 ML>     I don't "agree with Jack on this call" and have told him
 ML> so.  The first version of the "native OS/2" dialer
 ML> DIALER.EXE came with Warp 3.

Yes, I found it here on my system, I run WARP 3 too ya know, just never used
the DIALER, I used DOIP, which is SLIP_PM or something like that.

I was thinking, when I first connected, I had my brother hook me up to AT&T on
his machine, which had WIN95 installed.  We copied the paramaters, then, I
went home and inserted them into DOIP.  I had to fuss a little, but got it to
work.  When I switched to Bell, I got their software, installed WIN95, and
connected, got the paramaters, stuck em into DOIP.  Point being, you don't
need to install WIN95, just know someone that has WIN95.

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        03-Oct-99 23:18:11
  To: Steve Mccrystal                                   06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: It's over. Period.

Steve Mccrystal wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 SH>> DOS is the lowest common denominator. Problem with your
 SH>> 32-bit OS? Boot a DOS floppy to fix it.

 JS> I've never booted DOS, any version to fix my 32 bit OS, not once,
 JS> not in I guess 9 years.

 SM> In all honesty, I kept OS/2 on a FAT drive for about 5
 SM> years, for just that reason (really).  At the time I didn't
 SM> have the drive space for a maintenance partition, so when
 SM> OS/2 refused to boot (for whatever reason) I'd simply boot
 SM> DOS and fix things up.  Booting from OS/2 floppies was
 SM> rarely an option at the time.

I could always boot from floppies, thats how you install OS/2, you boot from
an OS/2 floppy.  Early on though, I made an OS/2 boot floppy instead of using
the one that came with the install disks, one disk was better than swapping
disks.

 JS>   Why would one do something like that?

 SM> Well, essentially, to do things I was unable to do while
 SM> booted from OS/2 floppies.  With the more recent flood of
 SM> good OS/2 utilities, I no longer find it necessary, but at
 SM> the time I sure did!

I had all my ultitities in place, right from the begining, mainly just needed
an editor to fix  things up if I screwed up config.sys, which was about the
only times I can remember needing to boot from a floppy.  DOS would work I
guess, if you had it on a DOS partition.  I didn't, never did actually, I used
HPFS from day one, one of the big reasons I went to OS/2 to begin with.

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        04-Oct-99 07:47:19
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: OS/2 Support

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Ray Hyder:

 RH> The truth is that IBM simply lacked the management gut's to carry a
 RH> technology forward that would put IBM on almost every desktop on the
 RH> planet.  Very sad...  - ray

 SH> The question is - would you *WANT* to run the "consumer OS"?
 SH> Support and applications aside - what happens when IBM
 SH> starts to cater to the idiots and add things like "active
 SH> desktop" to OS/2, and/or integrate their web browser? Or
 SH> when they start concentrating on the pretties so much that
 SH> OS/2 starts to lose it's stability?

OS/2 is not stable because it lacks a pretty face.  WIN is not unstable
because it has easy install routines, or cute little dodads hanging around.
WIN is not structually sound, OS/2 is.  You can do whatever you want with it,
it will still be stable, you can do what you want with WIN, it will still be
unstable.

 SH> Or when they release fixpacks on CD bundled with a manual, a
 SH> warranty card, and an $80 price tag?

That would be bad, but nobody, or few people seem to mind much with WIN.

 SH> I'm sorry, I'd much rather run the little guy. OS/2 is
 SH> stable because it's aimed at people who know what they're
 SH> doing, not the general populace. Co-incidentally, that's
 SH> also why I like Linux so much.

WIN is not a simple OS, in fact, it's a mess.  How the user must interface
with it is up to the designers, doesn't have a lot to do with the particular
design of the OS.  Because someone writes a simple install routine doesn't
make the OS easy to use.  We had 10,000 computer illiterates running UNIX for
around 10 years, they didn't know what an OS was, what a file was or anything
else about computers, just like most WIN users.  They now all run WIN, and
they have a ton more problems than they did with UNIX.  At any rate, OS/2 does
have a pretty face, looks about the same as WIN95, it does have easy install
routines, for itself as well as apps.  OS/2 is not for computer literates any
more than WIN is, it is designed for the desktop, just like WIN.

                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        04-Oct-99 08:22:16
  To: Andy Roberts                                      06-Oct-99 00:54:20
Subj: OS/2 Support

Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS>>> IBM never supported OS/2.  They developed it, but never
 JS>>> attempted to get anyone to actually use it.

 RB>> The MS trial in the states has had a lot of stories about how systems
 RB>> integraters were scared off preinstalling OS/2 by MS reps.

 AR> Commonly known as the Microsoft "Cut Throat Contracts."

 AR> I heard 1 of those stories 1st hand from the Manager of a
 AR> local EggHead who only weeks before had published an ad
 AR> stating he would have a large section of his new larger
 AR> store devoted to OS/2, which was only a few miles away from
 AR> his former store, which also carried OS/2.  When I went to
 AR> his new store there was nothing that wasn't Microsoft,

<long story snipped>

An amazing story Andy, if it were not you stating it first hand, I'd have
doubted it happened...

 AR> IMO that qualifies as "scared off" by Microsoft reps.

I'll say.

 RB>> There was quite a bit of advertising for it in those days, both
 RB>> in trade mags and on TV of all things.

 JS> Sorry, I must have missed those days...  I was heavy into
 JS> computing then too, wonder how it slipped by me... Oh, the nun
 JS> commercials, I remember those lame ads, it was a waste of money if
 JS> the objective was to promote OS/2.

 AR> LOL some of those TV ads were even worse than the nun
 AR> commercials.  Obviously IBM doesn't have the knack for end
 AR> user advertisement.

They don't need any knack for this, they hire people to do it for them, just
like MS.

 JS> They had to stick a huge hunk of money up the ass of Gateway or
 JS> Dell, bribe them, sue them, torture them, send them hookers,
 JS> What ever normal businessmen do

 AR> Sheesh, that sounds more like Microsoft tactics, rather than
 AR> "normal".

I was saying that tongue in cheek, more or less...

 JS> when they want a company to use a superior product. Heck, you
 JS> could get them to use a horrible product with the right
 JS> tacktics, if you know what I mean

 AR> I'm not at all sure the "right tactics" were used by
 AR> Microsoft.  And I think IBM knew that those tactics were not
 AR> proper and realized the expense of fighting was going to be
 AR> substantial compared to the profits from OS/2 end user
 AR> sales.

I don't think we see eye to eye on this one.  The tactics worked for MS, but
the product DEMANDED those tactics, because it is junk.  A good product such
as OS/2 did not need underhanded tactics so much, just marketing support.  The
return on investment on this would have been incredible.

 RB>> Why IBM decided to smother it, no one knows.  Some say that
 RB>> support cost too much, some say IBM did it to get a better
 RB>> preload deal for Windows 95, I don't know what is true.

 AR> I've heard both of those reasons, and several others.

 JS> I say it's because IBM, MicroSoft and INTEL have a huge cartel
 JS> going for them, and they like it as it is, and have ZIFF-DAVIS and
 JS> the DOJ helping them maintain this sick relationship, and the
 JS> consumer gets stuck with their junk

 AR> I think that is over simplifying the past situation.

True I guess, but, thats what it looks like from the outside, and nothing
thats been done by any of those parties conflicts much with this simplified
view.

 AR> Microsoft bought a controlling share of Ziff-Davis. The DoJ
 AR> only got involved after the US government already bought so
 AR> much Microsoft stuff that it created a conflict of interest.
 AR> Besides here in the US money can often buy a legal judgement.
 AR> Personally I still hope some future political changes will
 AR> eventually result in justice.

Would be nice, but, IBM really didn't need the DOJ much, had they been willing
to put up the fight in the market place, they weren't, thats my main point.

 JS> I would have liked IBM to support OS/2 to the extent that
 JS> retailers would have been fighting to get a "certified OS/2
 JS> ready" sticker on the equipment they sell.  IBM didn't do it,
 JS> didn't WANT to do it, or it would have happened.

 AR> Not necessarily.  The DoJ ruling did not nullify the old
 AR> "Cut Throat Contracts", but only prevented Microsoft from
 AR> issuing new "Cut Throat Contracts".  All distributors and
 AR> developers who already had signed contracts still have to
 AR> honor them.

I not sure about that.  I don't have a copy of the final order, but, that is
exactly what the DOJ was shooting for, and they won thier case.  In fact, the
original judge rightly decided that the relief sought was not NEARLY enough,
but of course the DOJ appealed their victory, highly unusual.  Here is what
the DOJ intially sought:
                        PRAYER FOR RELIEF
        WHEREFORE, PLAINTIFF PRAYS FOR RELIEF AS FOLLOWS:
     1.   That the Court adjudge and decree that Microsoft has
monopolized the interstate trade and commerce in the market for
PC operating systems in violation of Section 2 of the Sherman
Act.
     2.   That the Court adjudge and decree that Microsoft has
entered into unlawful contracts and combinations which
unreasonably restrain the trade in interstate commerce in PC
operating systems, in violation of Section 1 of the Sherman Act.
     3.   That Microsoft and all persons, firms and corporations
acting on its behalf and under its direction or control be
permanently enjoined from engaging in, carrying out, renewing or
attempting to engage, carry out or renew, any contracts,
agreements, practices, or understandings in violation of the
Sherman Act.
     4.   That plaintiff have such other relief that the Court
may consider necessary or appropriate to restore competitive
conditions in the markets affected by Microsoft's unlawful
conduct.
.     5.   That the plaintiff recover the costs of this action.

     Dated: July 15, 1994

Note that number 3 states the illegal contracts not be carried out.

 AR> Besides by the time the DoJ did anything at all
 AR> the situation was way out of hand in Microsoft's favor.

It was very late in the game, but not too late.  Now it is probably too late.

 JS> You can only keep a far superior product down by standing on it
 JS> in a competitive market.

 AR> Microsoft did the standing on of OS/2.  Remember the many
 AR> new versions of Win32s that did nothing except prevent OS/2
 AR> from installing the new 3rd-party software written with
 AR> Microsoft tools and assistance.

With a superior product, proper marketing support, and so on, MS would have
been in deep trouble once the user began using OS/2 and it's products.  They
were fighting for their life as it was, and could have been stomped on by IBM
without too much effort.  Remember, we are talking WIN3x vs OS/2....

 AR> What I'm trying to say is that society has never been made
 AR> up of a large portion of technically aware or educated
 AR> people in proportion to those who just do or repeat what
 AR> they have been told.  Adding more computer users as a whole
 AR> of society, does not change the ratio of the proportion that
 AR> are likely to make the most of OS/2.  The remainder and that
 AR> is the vast majority of society deserve what they get from
 AR> Microsoft, since they don't know the difference anyway.

It was up to IBM to get the new users on the OS/2 scene, they didn't do it,
didn't try at all.  No technical competance is needed to run OS/2, any more
than WIN.

 AR> And in that respect, you and I and several others have all
 AR> decided (probably after quite a few failures) that it is not
 AR> in our best interest to attempt to educate them beyond a low
 AR> limit or compensate by supporting the Microsoft users for
 AR> free.

Yes, I quit doing that when Big Lou said it was over.

 AR> It was not and is not a matter of "want" nor desires nor
 AR> which OS is technically superior.  IBM = International
 AR> BUSINESS Machine.  It is simply a matter of "business".
 AR> Making a profit.

There is a heck of a lot of profit out there in the desktop computer market.
MS doesn't fare too badly at it.

 AR> Put yourself in IBM's position.  Consider realistically the
 AR> expenses of end user support and long court battles and
 AR> changing the end users desires to be "on the band wagon".

Peanuts, part of doing business in a competitive world.  IBM has been doing it
rather well for 100 years, everyone else is new at it compared to them.

 AR> Consider hypothetically that you are on the IBM board and
 AR> have to listen when the various divisions of IBM each state
 AR> a different reason for supporting Microsoft.

If I were the IBM board, I would first decide if I want to move MS out of the
OS market, if the decision was yes, the rest would have been history.  The
decision was not yes, never was yes, and they didn't bother trying. The money
was there to be made, in spades.  Perhaps they were afraid of controlling
everything yet again, perhaps something else was going on, but it was not
normal, competitive business.

 AR>  The PC Sales division says they can sell more hardware to end
 AR> users with Microsoft rather than OS/2.  What do you do force
 AR> them to pre-load OS/2 at a greater expense and thus lose the
 AR> sales? Follow that with listening to the software development
 AR> division say the users want apps for Microsoft in a much
 AR> larger quantity than OS/2 apps.  What do you do force the
 AR> developers to write native OS/2 apps and lose the sales?
 AR> Follow that with listening to the Lotus programmers read
 AR> their "Cut Throat Contract" if they attempt to cross
 AR> platform develop apps using the Microsoft tools. That would
 AR> immediately raise a loud voice from the legal department
 AR> about penalties.  That would immediately raise a loud voice
 AR> from the accounting department about how to cover the
 AR> expense for those penalties and other legal fees.  Somewhere
 AR> in the back is a small voice mentioning how much it cost to
 AR> offer free 800 phone T/S to the average home user.  Ok, so
 AR> you cut the free 800 phone T/S, which already swallowed the
 AR> past profits.  Then you listen to the T/S department say
 AR> none of the average home users will pay for T/S and the
 AR> retailers don't have the smarts to do it.  About this time
 AR> you are thinking how good the big business profits for
 AR> service are.  Then Microsoft ups the cost of allowing IBM to
 AR> package their software to IBM's clients.  Not just a little
 AR> up, but way up by a factor of 4 or 5 times more than what it
 AR> was the previous year.  Time runs out and there are only
 AR> hours left and Microsoft now says they will continue to up
 AR> the price unless IBM stops marketing OS/2 to the end home
 AR> user and small business.  So on 1 hand you have very little
 AR> money in the till from home user sales that wasn't already
 AR> spent giving them what they wanted.  On the other hand you
 AR> stand to lose in the future for your big business clients if
 AR> you don't comply with Microsoft's demands.  The legal
 AR> department says you can not cross platform develop using
 AR> Microsoft's tools and Java stinks and Open32 stinks and the
 AR> TV ads stink.  Then you realize that all that stench is
 AR> coming from the end user area and not the big business area.
 AR> So now what do you decide to do about all that?

They decided before all these departments came to the meeting to whine.

 AR> It's no fair saying well "IF" I had the money spent on Lotus
 AR> or raunchy TV ads, or Open32 or whatever else failed, then I
 AR> could have...  Lotus was not failing when IBM bought it.

It was close enough.

 AR> Personally I think IBM made a very bad call to give up on
 AR> the end user SOHO user market regardless of how much more
 AR> Microsoft was going to charge them or even if Microsoft
 AR> didn't let IBM bundle Microsoft software to IBM clients. For
 AR> the money IBM charges those big business clients IBM could
 AR> send someone down to the local shop to buy WinXX retail, and
 AR> still make a profit.  IMO someone at IBM completely
 AR> under-estimated the effect of what software a user has at
 AR> home has on what software will be chosen for big business
 AR> later.  IMO IBM falsely assumed that Microsoft home users
 AR> would suddenly switch to OS/2 at work because of
 AR> reliability.  Thus IBM falsely assumed that they could still
 AR> hold onto the big business market even if they let loose of
 AR> the end users.  By the time IBM figured out that isn't the
 AR> way businesses grow, it was too late.

So, you think IBM is stupid.  I don't, no one is that stupid.

 AR>  So now IBM is trying to make the best of a bad situation and
 AR> make their profit as a "Service" company.  No doubt Microsoft
 AR> software needs a lot more service than OS/2.  That means more
 AR> money to IBM.

IBM though is a hardware company first, always has been.  They are so big,
they make a ton selling software and service along with their products.

 AR> There is an irony in that.  It isn't that OS/2 is not good
 AR> enough, rather it is that OS/2 is too good.  Microsoft
 AR> doesn't care if some other OS like Apple or OS/2 is better.
 AR> Microsoft wants to be the "only" OS.  That made OS/2 a
 AR> target just like Apple was a target.  IBM doesn't care which
 AR> OS it's paying clients want support for.  IBM will even
 AR> support Linux "if it pays."

Yes, I understand all that.  IBM is a very smart company.  They make good
business decisions, I don't doubt that.

I have to go to work, so can't get to the rest of your well written and long
post...  I appreciate your time and thoughts as always Andy, and yes, you make
a lot of sense on this, even though I may argue with some, I'm listening.

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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  05-Oct-99 19:47:15
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         06-Oct-99 02:48:09
Subj: Over ?!  It's only just *started* ...

*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Steven Thompson dated 09-30-99 ***
>  ST> [...] and also, you wouldn't be able to call it OS/2.
>
> Yes, but would one actually want to do so in the first place ?

I think OS/2000 sounds kinda kool   :}

Rich
I-Net   [e-mail]


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From: Murray Lesser                                     06-Oct-99 06:36:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        06-Oct-99 06:36:00
Subj: It's not quite over

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-03-99, Bob Wright to Murray Lesser)

Hi Bob--

BW>Is it safe to ASSume that you are using the "old, original" SLIP-only
  >dialler?
  >  I tried to connect with the 1.69 version that I have and sometimes
  >still use and, while the connection was made, I couldn't access
  >"pop3.ca.us.ibm.net".  I immediately redialled with Injoy and was
  >able to sign on there...

BW>After I saw this message I tried the old one... and it
  >updated my user object as well...

    I am using ver 1.67, the last of the "old" versions of DIALER.EXE.
My dialer (and phone.lst) is in MPTN\.  When I updated ver 1.67 to ver
1.69(?), it was dumped into tcpip\ :-(, leaving the old dialer in place
where it was :-).  (Neither MPTN nor tcpip are on the boot drive.) Since
I didn't know what effect the change in directories would have on MR2I
ICE, I left well enough alone and deleted the new version.  When I have
updated PHONE.LST, sometimes it gets put into MPTN\ and sometimes in
tfcpip\.  If in tcpip\, I copy it to MPTN\ and delete the other.

    According to Object Toolkit/2, the User ID object is in
tcpip\dll\adv.dll.  According to a "dir g:\tcpip\dll\adv.dll" this file
has not been updated since 3/17/97!  However, the User ID object was
updated to the new addresses the first time I signed on to AT&T Business
Net.  Go figure!  I updated the addresses in MR/2 ICE manually, even
though a test showed that it forwarded the old pop3 and smtp addresses
OK.  (One of the many things I know little about is communication
software, so I cannot comment further.)

BW>Now when I use ver 1.69, I get connection to mail and a proper check
  >for new version and phone list, etc...

BW>I guess newer isn't necessarily always better..

    That "guess" has long been known in professional computing circles.
The standard adage is "Don't be the first kid on the block with a new
system (or application program)."  I am running Warp 4, FP 5.  I have FP
10 on a CD and have been debating with myself whether or not to install
it.  FP 6 (the last one I tried) blew a couple of my often-used
programs, so I retreated!  AFAIK, there is nothing on FP 10 that I
really need, so I will probably not bother.

    The original Warp 4 bugs I noticed seem to have been taken care of
by FP 5.  (After Warp 3, FP 5, IBM issued a "manufacturing refresh" of
Warp 3 that included FP 5; many Warp 3 users have never applied a FixPak
to it!)  Later FixPaks are mostly to accommodate new hardware (which I
don't have), to correct bugs introduced in previous FixPaks, and to make
new bugs.  One has to evaluate carefully whether one wishes to be cursed
with the side effects of the few "new function" additions in FixPaks.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     06-Oct-99 06:45:01
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar                          06-Oct-99 06:45:01
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-02-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to
David Randall)

Hi JdeBP--

 DR> From the FAQ in the email message to ibm.net customers:
 DR>
 DR> Q15. Does AT&T WorldNet(r) Service offer an OS/2 dialer?
 DR> A15. No. The AT&T WorldNet(r) Service does not offer an OS/2 dialer.
 DR>      If you are an OS/2 customer, please click here
 DR>      http://www.ibm.net/whatsnew/att_choose.html to remain a customer
 DR>      of AT&T Business Internet Services and to continue to use your
 DR>      OS/2 dialer.

JP>In other words, the FAQ was written by a marketdroid with little
  >understanding of the issue to address a question asked by users who
  >*also* don't seem to understand the issue.

    I gather that either you were not a customer of ibm.net, or (as with
other British ibm.net users I know) you were not "offered" the choice
between being shifted to At&T WorldNet or remaining with their renamed
(to AT&T Business Internet Services) equivalent of ibm.net service.  So,
you never saw the original message that included the FAQ David Randall
quoted.  It is obvious that you do not "understand the issue," which is
much more important than whether or not you would still be able to use
DIALER.EXE.  Badly written (from a technical standpoint) as the
above-quoted FAQ may be, it was the most prominent hint in the message I
received from ibm.net that warned me that I would not be happy with the
service level I would receive if I let nature take its course and
allowed myself (as a "consumer" user of ibm.net) to be swept into the
"consumer-oriented" AT&T WorldNet service.  This warning led me to look
further into the differences in service offerings between WorldNet and
the renamed ibm.net from the standpoint of the way that I use the
Internet, and to refuse being switched.

JP>The question is predicated on the incorrect assumption that diallers
  >are linked to ISPs.  They aren't, of course, as anyone who has used
  >the "Dial Other Internet Providers" dialler will know.
  > Diallers are generic, because protocols such as PPP and CHAP are
  >generic.  But a naive user who has only ever been exposed to the
  >custom dialler that IBM provides for OS/2 specifically for its *own*
  >ISP service could well form the mistaken idea that diallers *are*
  >linked to individual ISPs.

    As you obliquely note, some dialers are so linked.  In particular,
the "native OS/2" dialer, DIALER.EXE, was linked to ibm.net, and is now
linked to the "new" AT&T Business Net.  But there are advantages to
using DIALER.EXE other than the fact that it isn't necessary to supply
it with previously unkown internet addresses.  For example, the last
issued IBM (30 September) worldwide PHONE.LST still gives the dialer the
ability to connect to AT&T Business Internet service, no matter where I
may roam :-).

JP>The answer is predicated on the incorrect assumption that AT&T needs
  >to offer a dialler to replace the custom IBM dialler supplied with
  >OS/2 otherwise OS/2 users cannot access it service.  It doesn't, of
  >course.  All that AT&T needs to supply to any customer using OS/2,
  >business or residential, is the information about protocols,
  >telephone numbers, IP numbers, and hostnames to plug into the "Dial
  >Other Internet Providers" supplied as standard with OS/2.  Indeed,
  >since the information, once entered, is contained in
  >%ETC%\TCPOS2.INI, they could even automate the process of entering
  >the configuration information with a relatively trivial REXX script.
  >But it's easy to see how AT&T could, from being told how OS/2
  >customers connected to IBM's service, mistakenly deduce that it
  >*would* have to supply its own dialler.

    Why bother with "a relatively trivial REXX script" if it isn't
needed to stay with a largely superior service?  By reading between the
lines, and opting to not be transferred to AT&T's WorldNet service, I
connected (automatically) to AT&T's new Business Net with DIALER.EXE on
the morning of 1 October, and my User ID object was automatically
updated to the new addresses.  Of more importance, I get service that is
better suited to the way I use the Internet than I would have gotten if
I had let AT&T push me into their AIHU-oriented WorldNet.

    As far as I have been able to determine, I am now using AT&T
Business Net with all the rights and privileges I had as a long-term
ibm.net user, including being enrolled at the old Basic rate of
$4.95/month (US) for up to 3 hours per month (two cents per 36 seconds
thereafter).  I have found no cheaper rate for my small Internet usage
from any "nationwide" ISP, especially not from WorldNet.  There are
other service differences that are obvious if you look.

    Sometimes it pays to read between the lines of computer
documentation.  (This is hard to do if you have only seen an excerpt!)
What one sees at first glance may not be the important part of the
story.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Holger Granholm                                   05-Oct-99 20:48:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     06-Oct-99 08:00:19
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

In a message dated 10-04-99, Peter Knapper said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Peter,

 HG> I wonder what I'm doing wrong because I can FTP-connect to Hobbes as
 HG> anonymous and my e-mail address as password but it always comes back
 HG> and tells me that the password is wrong.

PK>While it is "standard" practise to use your Email address as a
PK>password for anonymous FTP sessions, many FTP Servers will actually
PK>try and check that the Email address exists or is valid for the site

Well, that *may* be the cause.
I'll try the longer address @alcom.aland.fi instead of @aland.net that
I normally use.

PK>I hope this helps............pk.

I hope so too :-)

Thanks,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   05-Oct-99 20:48:00
  To: George Fliger                                     06-Oct-99 08:00:19
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

In a message dated 10-03-99, George Fliger said to Holger Granholm:

Hi George,

 HG> I wonder what I'm doing wrong because I can FTP-connect to
 HG> Hobbes as anonymous and my e-mail address as password but it
 HG> always comes back and tells me that the password is wrong.

GF>Strange indeed.  Try the following:

GF>        Name:     [e-mail]
GF>        Password: guest@domain

GF>It works for me with a stand-alone ftp client I use.

Thanks, I will try that.
I'm also using a stand-alone FTP program (FTPBrowser).

I did try it but it didn't work. However, I'll experiment further.
Took the files I wanted from Leo instead.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Sean Dennis                                       05-Oct-99 09:50:12
  To: Peter Knapper                                     06-Oct-99 09:30:14
Subj: It's over. Period.

Hello Peter.

04 Oct 99 19:11, you wrote to me:

 SD>> Something I read about Linux: "Linux is free only if
 SD>> your time isn't valuable." I feel that an OS should not
 SD>> have to be hand-assembled to work to get the basics
 SD>> going.

 PK> Things have actually changed over the years, the current versions of
 PK> Linux available are suprisingly complete, with canned installs to
 PK> match most commomn H/W configurations and a FULL instal does install
 PK> that, a FULL version of Linux and a rather large set of utilities all
 PK> ready to run. No longer do you have to drop down to the nuts and bolts
 PK> to "build your kernal first" to get Linux running, then add the items
 PK> that are essential to make it usable.

Well, I have been looking at SuSE... a friend installed it and was raving
about it, so he let me telnet into his system.  I looked around and tinkered
with a few things.  Let's say that it impressed me (I still had nightmares
about using UNIX 15 years ago :).

 SD>> IMNSHO, Linux is a craze amongst a small number
 SD>> of people.  I don't see all the developers running to
 SD>> Linux for mission-critical applications.

 PK> I think you might need to take a longer look at things. Linux is being

See the above paragraph. :)

 SD>> Besides, all of those computers you mentioned are based
 SD>> on old chips.  OS/2 is based on the x86 set... as long
 SD>> as there's a x86 system around, it'll run OS/2.

 PK> Is probably a sure bet that you can restrict your processor range to
 PK> 386 or later, OS/2 V2.0 andlater requires that as a minimum processor
 PK> to run, an 8088 doesn't quite make that requirement.........;-)

 PK> And in case you were wondering, no, I do not run Linux, yes I have a
 PK> Linux CD here, one day I may install it, but at this stage OS/2 does
 PK> me fine.

I did slap Slackware 3.0 on a 286/12, 120 MB HD and 2 MB RAM... it actually
ran. <G>  So, what I'm thinking about is keeping the BBS under OS/2 and maybe
working on a Linux machine for personal use.  Who knows?

OS/2 works perfectly for me and I've not really any complaints.  However,
since I'm going to college and going to program for a living when I'm done, I
need to broaden my horizons a tad bit. :)

Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       05-Oct-99 09:54:24
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                06-Oct-99 09:30:14
Subj: Linux

Hello Stewart.

04 Oct 99 15:45, you wrote to me:

 SD>> What I'm saying is this: some of us will go running to the next
 SD>> latest and greatest thing.  If it works for me, I'll stick with
 SD>> it.

 SH> That's why I've still got OS/2 installed alongside Linux. It runs like
 SH> greased lightening, and does what I want. (read: What Linux can't as
 SH> of yet. Namely toss echomail. But that's a problem with either the
 SH> tosser, or the user :> ).

<big snip>

I read the rest of your message, but won't quote it for our friends that pay
for bandwidth. ;)

Needless to say that I've recently had my blinders taken off. <G>  I'm
considering doing what you are-running Linux and OS/2 side-by-side.  I'll keep
the BBS on my OS/2 machine and set up a Linux machine for my personal use.  I
guess I need to keep my mouth shut before I know what I'm talking about. :)

Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       05-Oct-99 17:11:05
  To: Murray Lesser                                     06-Oct-99 09:30:14
Subj: It's over?

Hello Murray.

04 Oct 99 06:31, you wrote to me:

 SD>> Besides, all of those computers you mentioned are based on old
 >> chips.  OS/2 is based on the x86 set... as long as there's a x86
 >> system around, it will run OS/2.

 ML>     I wish that people who try to quote history in this echo knew what
 ML> they were talking about :-(.  No version of OS/2 would run on an 8086
 ML> or 80186 (practically nothing ran on the short-lived 80186).  Only
 ML> OS/2 versions 1.x would run on an 80286, but not on any earlier x86.
 ML> OS/2 versions 2.x and 3.0 would run on an 80386, but not on any
 ML> earlier x86. Warp 4 and later require (as a minimum) an 80486.

OK, how many people you know that have a 80186?  I know my history.  I'd think
that most people in this echo would know I was talking about a 386 and above.
Maybe next time I say something, I'll break everything down to the lowest
common denominator for people like you who assume that I don't know what I'm
talking about.  I've been involved with computers well over half my life (and
I'm only 27).  I know that OS/2 won't run on a 8086 or 80186.  Please.  Don't
insult me like that.


 ML>     In spite of your topic heading, OS/2 most certainly is not
 ML> "over."

If you'd read the thread, you'd seen that was NOT my header.  Again, you
assume too much.

 ML> The thing that the doomsayers really are saying (although many of
 ML> them
 ML> obviously don't know it!) is that they (the SOHO users) have been left
 ML> out of IBM's future plans for OS/2.  They are correct!!  OS/2 was

No joking?  Hmmm... maybe there are those of us who realize that OS/2 was
never really ment to be a SOHO client and that the Warp client series was a
'test' market for OS/2.

Next time, before you go insulting me, know what the hell I mean.  Last time I
checked, x86 didn't include 8086/88 or 80186.  Of course, then again, you're
the walking library on OS/2.  In other words, I know what I'm talking about.
I don't need you coming in and spouting what I'm sure is common knowledge in
this echo.

You're talking about application prices?  Gee, StarOffice is free.  That's a
nice application.  90% of the software I run for OS/2 is either free or a very
cheaply-priced shareware.  Not all of us go searching for the big-buck IBM
stuff when you can look on the web and find something identical in function
for a lot less.


Do you think that I slapped OS/2 in without reading up on it and studying it
first?  Do me a favor and don't try to correct me when I know what I'm talking
about.

Sean

... "For her lust/She'll burn in hell" -- Type O Negative
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From: Peter Knapper                                     06-Oct-99 20:55:10
  To: Will Honea                                        06-Oct-99 11:36:19
Subj: system clock?

Hi Will,

PK>  RJT> I don't seem to have that here.  Care to email it?
PK>
PK> Your lucky day. By the time you read this you wil probably
PK> have the V3.20 that I already had at work.

 WH> Why not the latest,  ver 4?

Its rather complicated, but since you asked -
  1. I was called in to work from a 3rd location that day and V3.20 was the
ONLY version of MEMSIZE I had available when I just happened to have the
opportunity to send anything.
  2. I dont have File attach capability at home, hence I send/receive files
from work.
  3. If I had known in advance that I was going in to work that day I would
have brought the latest versions and sent them.
  4. Because the home Email is sent from the BBS which is strictly text mode
only with NO file attach possible I needed to transport anything to work to be
able to send it, but events took prior control of things......;-(

As soon as I get the files to work, I will send V3.30 off, however I am
currently in discussions with Rick Papo regarding a bug in V4.0 relating to CD
Changers thats a real killer, and unfortunately there is no workaround for the
bug other than terminating MEMSIZE any time I need to use a CD in the changer
CROM! Turning off drive space reporting does NOT stop the problem, it still
insists on continuously searching ALL the CD's it can find, and repeating this
every 60 seconds! If Rick provides a fix for that, then I can send that as
well. MEMSIZE V3.20 and V3.30 did NOT have this problem.

Ok, was I justified in my actions?...........;-)


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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  06-Oct-99 12:20:16
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   06-Oct-99 13:22:22
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Herbert!

03 Oct 99 14:26, Herbert Rosenau wrote to Nick Andre:
 NA>> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30
 NA>> meg free?
 HR> No. For that you should install OS/2 1.x. OS/2 1.x would run on each
 HR> 386 with 2 MB or more but OS/2 2.x MUST have 8 MB or more
 HR> OS/2 WARP is optimised for I486. It would run on a 386 with 12 MB or
 HR> more.
    You are owner of curved hands. Maybe ;) OS/2 WARP (not Merlin) install and
works fine on 386 with 4 mb RAM. With GUI.


Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                06-Oct-99 11:12:08
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  06-Oct-99 16:42:07
Subj: File Managers

04 Oct 99 09:26, Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 CV> I'm wrong. Slightly %) Which mpg123.dll?

Z! includes a copy of mpg123.dll in the archive. You can either have it
in Z!'s directory or any directory in your LIBPATH.

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

... If it works, tear it apart and find out why.
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From: Stewart Honsberger                                06-Oct-99 11:17:25
  To: Jack Stein                                        06-Oct-99 19:18:08
Subj: OS/2 Sales

03 Oct 99 21:32, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 JS>> Yeah, right... The truth is not slander, nor libel, far as I know.

 SH>> You don't know much about the law either, I see.

 JS> I guess thats slander on your part.

No, I was voicing an observation based on what I'd seen.

 JS>> when they said they OS/2 is not for the home user,

 SH>> Reference please.

 JS> Look it up yourself.

When you claim something as fact, it's up to you to back it up.

 SH>> One of the big facets of retail sales is organization. Trying
 SH>> to get as much product into the amount of space you have
 SH>> available to you in a visually appealing way. Why devote a
 SH>> section to a product that won't sell, when you could use it for
 SH>> more products that WILL sell?

 JS> It was up to IBM to support the marketing end of OS/2 so users would
 JS> want to try it.  They didn't, and users didn't.

IBM did market OS/2. It's not their fault that there wasn't enough
market interest to shelve the product.

 SH>> Oh, pardon me, they're not catering to your individual
 SH>> needs, so it bores you.

 JS> Correct.

Of course. A multi-national corporation should put all business plans
aside to cater to Jack Stein. I forgot.

 JS> {sigh} Are you stupid, or just uninformed?  Guess I'll have to dig
 JS> out my dictionary... lets see, The Ameriacn Heritage Dictionary of
 JS> the English Language says:

 JS> support:... 6) "To provide for or maintain by supplying with money or
 JS> other necessities."  7) To aid the cause of by approving, favoring,
 JS> or advocating."

Forcing stores to carry a product isn't "supplying" with anything, it's
illegal.

Don't you know about the anti-trust case(s) in progress, or what they
mean?

 SH>> What does that prove? That because IBM didn't (illegally)
 SH>> shove their product in peoples' faces and down their
 SH>> throats, that they're not interested in supporting it?

 JS> Yes, stores could easily stock OS/2 if people were interested in
 JS> buying it.  IBM had the power, money and influence to market the hell
 JS> out of OS/2, and make it pretty, and make it installable, and provide
 JS> developers with tons of support.  The chose not to.

You're not listening. If stores don't want to shelf a product, there's
nothing that says that they have to.

 SH>> I'm interested in you joining my religion. I'll be at your
 SH>> door every day at 6:00 AM, 12:00 noon, and 6:00 PM forcing
 SH>> you to read my religious pamphlets. I will use whatever
 SH>> force neccesary to get into your house, and when you're not
 SH>> home, I'll fill your mailbox with advertisements.

 SH>> I guess I'm "just interested in supporting" my religion,
 SH>> right?

 JS> I haven't a clue what you're rambling about there?

You seem to feel that forcing things on people is acceptable. You see
what Microsoft is doing by forcing their products on people, and you
feel that IBM should do the same. I was using an analogy.

 SH>> Judging by this statement, and the above quoted statement,
 SH>> I'm assuming that you don't understand the libel laws.

 JS> I'm not a damned laywer, if thats your question.

Neither am I. I simply know what libel is when I see it.

 SH>> "I don't believe that IBM has sufficiently supported OS/2"
 SH>> is an opinion. "IBM NEVER supported OS/2, not for one day."
 SH>> is a libelous claim.

 JS> When given in a Fido conference, by a nobody, it is an opinion.  Only
 JS> a dolt would think otherwise.

Oh, so as long as you post slander and/or libel in a FidoNet conference,
it's not against the law? I thought you weren't a lawyer?

 SH>> Linux does not need a name to move forward.

 JS> {sigh} Yes it does.

I forgot. You don't even know the difference between Linux and UNIX, but
you're the expert.

 JS> We all know MS is useless.  On the other hand, watch what you say,
 JS> you might be sued for libel and slander, in fact, I guess I should
 JS> say I hope you are, but then I'd be lying, I don't give a damn if you
 JS> are or aren't.

No, what I posted are facts, obtained by reading the reports of the
benchmarks they performed. Another fact is that MS financially supported
those benchmarks.

 JS> And Linux share of the desktop is?

More than you apparently realize.

 JS> It would survive, but where, on a few thousand meaningless
 JS> computers...

This statement proves that you know little about Linux.

 JS> The computer world knows less about LINUX than they do about OS/2.

Just because you don't know much about Linux doesn't mean the computer
world in general is the same way.

 SH>> 2) Linux is not by any means "freeware". Most software for
 SH>> Linux is Open Source Software. Completely different concept,
 SH>> completely different development system.

 JS> You're wrong again.  LINUX is freeware, it is not public domain.  You
 JS> don't know much do you, let me throw in one of your {sigh}'s...

Have you read/understood what the GPL is? GNU Public License.

 SH>> {sigh} It is not an acronym. The name of the operating
 SH>> system is Linux.

 JS> {sigh} Who give's a rat's patoot?  Why don't you run a spell checker
 JS> on my post while you're at it...{sigh}

I was merely pointing out that you don't even know the proper name of
the product, therefore you mustn't know much about the product itself.

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From: John Angelico                                     04-Oct-99 17:13:00
  To: Jan van der Heide                                 06-Oct-99 19:18:08
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

On 28/09/1999, Jan van der Heide said to All about WP_DESKTOP setting
lost:


JH> Some time ago a REXX repair script was given to fix a
JH> problem in which the setting for the DESKTOP could not be
JH> found during boot.
JH> A friend of mine encounters this problem that when he boots
JH> up ends with an OS/2 command prompt and an error message
JH> about not being able to find the desktop.
JH> Where can I find this REXX script or can somebody repost it? TIA

Hi Jan.

I don't think it's a REXX script, although I have been wrong before <g>!

I use
SET DESKTOP=C:\OS2\Desktop
in my CONFIG.SYS

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: [e-mail]

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From: Jan van der Heide                                 04-Oct-99 10:47:04
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    06-Oct-99 19:18:08
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

 ET> If the desktop lost it's object ID: <WP_DESKTOP>. To
 ET> recreate it, run the following piece of REXX:

 ET> /* restore the desktop's object ID: <WP_DESKTOP> */
 ET> call RxFuncAdd 'SYSLOADFUNCS', 'REXXUTIL', 'SYSLOADFUNCS'
 ET> call SysLoadFuncs
 ET> call SysSetObjectData 'C:\DESKTOP', 'OBJECTID=<WP_DESKTOP>'

 ET> (Replace "C:" with your boot drive if necessary.)

Thanks Eddy,
We will tryout the easy first option with a static driveletter.
FP 10 is installed, so SysBootDrive should be there.

Gegroet, Jan
Holland User Group OS/2, Team OS/2 NL, Certified Systems Expert OS/2 Warp
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From: Gene Tucker                                       06-Oct-99 21:18:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        06-Oct-99 21:18:00
Subj: It'S Over. Period.

In a message dated 10-03-99, Jack Stein said to Roy J. Tellason:


JS>Roy J. Tellason wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS> You heard of LINUX right?  AT&T owned that, lock stock and
 JS> barrel,

 RJT> No.  AT&T owned _unix_,  which is not at all the same thing.

JS>Yes, simple brain fart there Roy, I thought UNIX and typed LINUX.

 JS> yet, Linus managed to clone the damn thing, didn't he?

JS>Obviously I wasn't trying to say Linus cloned Linux:-)

 RJT> Yeah he did.  Which is why I don't see a problem with the
 RJT> same thing happening with OS/2.

JS>That was my intended point, of course.

 RJT> All it needs is enough technically competent people to put the
 RJT> effort in.  Whether _that_ will happen is another question
 RJT> entirely,  though.

JS>Probably won't happen, but you never know.  I was thinking, if IBM really
JS>didn't wish to sell and maintain OS/2 for the consumer,
JS>they could license a third party, keep a legal interest
JS>somehow, and watch MS get knocked on their ass.  When/if
JS>they do that, or release the code to the public domain,
JS>then I'll believe they are not pissing in MS's pocket.


JS>                                              Jack
JS>

Stardock just tried that as of the 18th of September. IBM said NO quite
simply.
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From: Gene Tucker                                       06-Oct-99 21:30:01
  To: All                                               06-Oct-99 21:30:01
Subj: Write Our Own Version

Well I was reading on one forum just recently and one user has proposed that
we
write our own version or OS/2 or an OS that will run OS/2 apps. Personally I
found this intriging. My question is does anyone here think that it can be
done.
Hey I could think of things I would like to see fixed like the SIQ. etc.
Myself
I think it such a large undertaking that it would be almost impossible.
Another
idea is to raise captital to buy OS/2 off of IBM. I find that a feasble idea
coupled with perhaps an open source code for OS/2. We could evolve it into
more
of what we want. It is worth a try I feel if we could raise the money.


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   06-Oct-99 14:40:05
  To: Sean Dennis                                       06-Oct-99 22:56:17
Subj: It's over. Period.

Sean Dennis wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 SD> I did slap Slackware 3.0 on a 286/12, 120 MB HD and 2 MB RAM...
 SD> it actually ran. <G>

Oh really?  How so,  since the _minimum_ you can use with any form of Linux is
a 386sx?  And typically 4M of ram...

Not exactly topical in here,  so if you want to take it up in netmail or email
that's fine with me.

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From: Ray Hyder                                         06-Oct-99 19:20:00
  To: John Thompson                                     06-Oct-99 22:56:17
Subj: It's NOT over. Period


 * Reply to a msg from John Thompson @ 1:270/101 on 10-02-99

 HR> OS/2 is going on.

 JT> Yup...

In what direction?

 JT> * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: [e-mail]

I'll bet the address was @ibm.net...

8-)  - ray

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From: Nick Andre                                        06-Oct-99 14:52:05
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  06-Oct-99 22:56:17
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old hardware

On 04 Oct 99  11:06:47, Cyrill Vakhneyev said the following to Nick Andre:

CV>  NA> Can OS/2 v3 be _manually_ installed on a drive with less than 30 meg
CV>  NA> free?
CV>     The minimal configuration what I made was: OS/2 WARP 3; FileBar as
Shel
CV> MPTS; TCP/IP; Xitami as HTTPD; FTPServer as FTP and Weasel as SMTP/POP3
bot
CV> Peter Moylan. All of them occupies ~26-28 megs on Seagate's st-351(42 megs


Thanks! I think I finally figured it out. :)

*Lord British*

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From: Will Honea                                        06-Oct-99 20:59:00
  To: Peter Knapper                                     06-Oct-99 20:59:00
Subj: system clock?

Peter Knapper wrote to Will Honea on 10-06-1999

PK> As soon as I get the files to work, I will send V3.30 off, however
PK> I am  currently in discussions with Rick Papo regarding a bug in
PK> V4.0 relating to CD Changers thats a real killer, and  unfortunately
PK> there is no workaround for the bug other than  terminating MEMSIZE
PK> any time I need to use a CD in the  changer CROM! Turning off drive
PK> space reporting does NOT  stop the problem, it still insists on
PK> continuously  searching ALL the CD's it can find, and repeating this
PK>  every 60 seconds! If Rick provides a fix for that, then I  can send
PK> that as well. MEMSIZE V3.20 and V3.30 did NOT have  this problem.

Interesting.  I have a 4 unit NEC changer (IDE) and a SCSI CDRW that
seem to get along fine with no delays.  What I find objectionable - and
it may be the same bug - is that all the connected LAN drives are
scanned resulting in really annoying slowdowns at every update.  This
also occurs whether the LAN drives are displayed or not.

Adding to that I was using the Theseus/2 methods which FP12 killed, so
it's back to 3.30 for me, too.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: because of the wonderful things he does

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JdBP> According to the documentation, at any rate, this covers all of the
 JdBP> features that WIZ has.  As you can see, with all bar two of the
 JdBP> features of WIZ (-s and -d to specify ranges, and -v for diagnostic
 JdBP> output), either the feature doesn't apply to non-DOS systems or one can
 JdBP> do the equivalent with FF or SUM right now.

Wow. I dont use WIZ anymore.
Reason: HPFS & looong filenames. :)

I like ranges (fortunately 4os2 have this),
but I think the utility have many clauses,
many options for to do a simple task.

Additional options for intentions of quick
(& powerful, therefore) search is good.

 JdBP> If you have a particular usage of WIZ that I haven't covered above,
 JdBP> post it for everyone to see, and either I or the others in this echo
 JdBP> will help you to find a way of doing the same thing with native OS/2
 JdBP> tools.

No one than I thought until now. :)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Titanic'12 - NYSE'29 - Hiroshima'45 - Tshernobyl'86 -  Windows'98

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Why there are no OS/2 viruses

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JdBP> One can only conclude that virus writers aren't actually very skilled
 JdBP> as programmers.  They write DOS viruses because they are *easy to
 JdBP> write*.  They write Windows NT macro viruses because those viruses can
 JdBP> be written *in BASIC* and are again easy to write.

Wow. I go forward your msg now.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... MSX? MicroSoft eXtended? Now I understand why it is dead.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: MP3 file won't play

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JdBP> You did download it using FTP in _binary_ mode, didn't you ?

Do you doubt of me? P) I always d/l in binary.

WarpAMP plays the music but Z! dont.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... That's not a bug, that's a feature

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JdBP> It does.   http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html .

Noted for surfing.

I like this way:

1) KB, MB, GB = 2^x

2) Kb, Mb, Gb = kilobit, megabit, gigabit

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Why are wrong numbers never busy?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JdBP> If you encounter a URL whilst using your web browser that begins
 JdBP> "ftp://", then you can crank up an FTP client to obtain the file.

Yeah, but & when the browser dont show "ftp://". It happened to me.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Lamah Lamah Lamah Lamah Lamah Lamah Lamah Lamah Lamah Lamah Lamah ...

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Why is this?

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JdBP> That's because what FST seems to be reporting above *isn't actually an
 JdBP> error* in the HPFS filesystem structure.  There's nothing to be fixed.

 JdBP> Hence the reason that FST prepends the label "WARNING:" rather than
 JdBP> "ERROR:" perhaps ?

Have an error in something, I feel.

Why a mp3 file would be crashed if the checking is good?

[Murphy's Law: If it can happen, it will] (again, I add)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Windows. It could happen to you.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: WarpFM newsletter

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Edy!

 ET> I don't know any more if I sent an email message or went to the
 ET> website http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/warpfm.

 ET> You could try by sending an email message to
 ET> [e-mail] with the line "subscribe warpfm <your
 ET> email address>" (without quotes) OR in the subject OR in the body of
 ET> the message (I think in the body of the message)

I go try the two ways.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... P6 + Windows 95 - A speedboat with no water.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Cyrill Vakhneyev to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 CV> Hello Rodrigo!

Hello Cyrill!

 CV> 27 Sep 99 10:34, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
 RB> Z! dont play this: mpeg 1.0 layer I, 64kbit/s, 48000 Hz.
 CV> Which Z!?

Z! is a mp3 player by dink. The site is http://dink.com I think.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... /{- (((((        <---- Parabolic tagline

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 16:21:06
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: sigma

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JdBP> No.  It's something else entirely.

I understand, but more switches eases the task...

That way, a powerful search-tool with switches easy to remember.

Wiz have switches easy to remember, it is the nice about it.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Win98 - A 100MB utility for testing your computer's RESET button.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:03
  To: Darren Ryall                                      07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Need OS/2

 -=> Quoting Darren Ryall to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 DR> http://service5.boulder.ibm.com/pspfixpk.nsf/f6b656aa84c801b78625662800
 DR> 691e9d?O penView&Start=1&Count=300&Expand=18#18

I go check later.

 DR> I've heard some excellent things about 38, and good things about 39,
 DR> and also 40.  But I've heard of people that have their systems break
 DR> under 40, and a lot fewer under 39.  Which is why I usually recommend
 DR> 39...

Then what is the better: 38 or 39?

 DR> Yup, 40 is the last fixpak for all versions of Warp 3, 41 is only for
 DR> Warp Server.. =/

I like OS2 but IBM dont.

 DR> Think I get the question... yes, it's true.  IBM discontinued support
 DR> for Warp3 when Aurora came out, as it did for Warp 2.x when Merlin hit
 DR> the streets.  =/

Until when go support for w4?

It is bad buy a system now & two years after, the same thing..
or then SoftwareChoice be for paying users... :/ IBM promised
to protect investments. Dont, IBM not want neither one end user.

My protest is here.

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... OS2, sure. But until *when*?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: long lines

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> Doesn't your message reader wrap the lines? It's supposed to wrap the

Yes, wrap, but a buggy wrap.

 ET> lines. I run my message reader in a windowed OS/2 session with a text
 ET> mode screen with 49 lines and 105 columns. Without pushing the Enter

I like textmode session for msg reader.

 ET> key, my reader wraps the lines, so everything is readable nicely, in
 ET> whatever text mode my message reader is running. So if I start my

I use bluewave 2.30 and you?

 ET> message reader in a text mode with another size, all lines in all
 ET> messages are wrapped accordingly, including my own messages. I never
 ET> have the problem that I have to scroll sideways to read the rest of the
 ET> line.

BW dont "trim" but the reading is more troubled & replies too.

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... 3 things occur when you age.. 1) memory goes 2) uh.. um..

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Herbert Rosenau                                   07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

 -=> Quoting Herbert Rosenau to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 HR> ----------------------------Abbeißen-----------------------
 HR> echo .

From 4OS2 online help:

---[begin clipboard]---
  If you want to echo a blank line from within a batch file, enter:

          echo.
---[end clipboard]---

 HR> ----------------------------Abbeißen-----------------------

This script I was looking for. Nice! And thank you.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Free cheese is found only in a mousetrap.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: George White                                      07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Kib, Mib, gib: 1024^n ?

 -=> Quoting George White to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 GW> Hi Rodrigo,

Hi George

 JS>> I like k,m and g for the small ones, K,M, and G for the big
 JS>> ones...
 RCB> I like that way, too.

 GW> And that gets all the engineers laughing at when they see a
 GW> 300mHz processor (m = milli = 10^-3).
 GW> Case for differentiation between 1000 and 1024 is not viable because
 GW> of existing SI standard usage. You'll just have to get used to the
 GW> usage Jonathan posted...

Not officially, sure. I know it, but case is easy on commands...

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JS> Are you talking about FC/2 here?

Yeah. :)

 JS> Again, I want to control exactly
 JS> what the OBJECTID name is for the object I'm creating.  Not the title
 JS> name of the icon, the objectid name.

Forget my other msg then. :-)

But... What the purpose of an exact object id?

It is good for which situations?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: George Fliger                                     07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: faxworks

 -=> Quoting George Fliger to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 GF> This is a Courier???  I don't remember any Couriers having a Clock
 GF> Frequency of 92Mhz, only 20Mhz and 25Mhz.  I also don't remember any
 GF> Couriers having voice.

My USR is Sportster.

 GF> Did I miss a model somewhere?

Maybe... :}

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Darren Ryall                                      07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Command interpreters

 -=> Quoting Darren Ryall to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 RCB> I am not sure. :-) And you?

 DR> Yup... everything that I know of program-wise on my system has either
 DR> been patched to be Y2K compliant, or else replaced with programs that
 DR> are...

OS2 with fp38 is y2k compliant?

 DR> Even my DOS is now Y2K compliant...

What DOS? DR-DOS 7?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Bat Lang                                          07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 BL> I am not familiar with that app. What is it? If it is an editor, then
 BL> I should say that I have been a big supporter of Boxer (and tester) for
 BL> years, so that is my editor, both DOS and OS/2, and am very happy with
 BL> it both places.  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

Yes, a PM editor. Have many resources... but not so poweful as Boxer.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Bat Lang                                          07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 RCB> Is possible to get file in real ftp sessions?

 BL> Yessir!

:}

 BL> "ftp://os2v46na:xxxxxxxx@198.17.57.81/OS2EN46S.EXE"
 BL>        ~~~~~~~~ ^^^^^^^^

hmm... I get the trick. :}

 BL> then) 5582kb stub (from my last and best attempt with NSN 4.04) from
 BL> which it blithely 'continued' without a single hitch, and I now have
 BL> the whole enchilada.  Whew!

hehehe.. But "enchilada" is what? Is for eat? :}

 BL> Now, this may appear to the 'urlget' crowd a kindergarten primer, but
 BL> to me (and =hopefully= others) it was and IS a major breakthrough.
 BL> So if you are in the latter group, and have yet to dnld 4.61, apply
 BL> the above to your FTP client, and you'll be in fat city before you know
 BL> it. As SOON as that "Saving Location" screen pops up, do the <PrtScn>
 BL> routine before it aborts and leaves you with no clue.

Exist anyone way to copy&paste this url?

This is much more easy... :)

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Scott Jones                                       07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Norton AV

 -=> Quoting Scott Jones to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 SJ> BackOrifice/2 is the OS/2 port of the BO client.  This allows people
 SJ> to access a BO-infected Winbox using OS/2.  It does *not* allow others
 SJ> to access an OS/2 machine via BackOrifice.

But you are sure about server dont exist?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Andy Roberts                                      07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 AR> Are you sure you really want it, since it is very old, 24-Jun-97.

Curiosity only. :)

 AR> AFAIK this is the latest version 4.61b2
 AR> OS2EN46S.EXE   9861568   8-10-99
 AR> PLUG30EN.EXE   1654411   8-10-99

comm461.exe  10015456  17/09/99 12:43p
nspip30.exe   1824992  17/09/99 12:57p

This plugin package is any worth to end user?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

 -=> Quoting Cyrill Vakhneyev to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 CV> Hello Rodrigo!

Hi Cyrill!

 >   SET CSFUTILPATH=path

It was anything like this I was looking but thanks!

 CV> ... What?!?  DOSSHELL *isn't* supposed to be a joke?

hehe

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Rodent

 -=> Quoting Cyrill Vakhneyev to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 CV> Hello Rodrigo!

Hi Cyrill!

 CV> If you want real killer, use xf86sup.sys from XFree/2 and suitable
 CV> kill.exe. Kill -9 coming %)

:) I already used to play with it but dont seem work
very well on my w3+fp38 then I use good "killers" :)
which I found in the hobbes...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... OS/2: Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Adam Cameron                                      07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: win-os2 and AIM

 -=> Quoting Adam Cameron to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 RCB> Java *is* a cpu hog.

 AC> yeah, me all know that =)

hehe. Java is a true problem generator...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Java virus coming soon!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Murray Lesser                                     07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Warpfm Newsletter

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ML> Unfortunately, current copies of the e-mail newsletter tell only
 ML> how to "unsubscribe" - not how to subscribe.  But you might try the
 ML> following (copied from the most recent issue)

But the *free* SoftwareChoice programs era is counted.

IBM announced, it go only for paying users. :-//

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... I love OS/2.  I just wish that IBM loved it too.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Need OS/2

 -=> Quoting Stewart Honsberger to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 SH> Correction - it doesn't fix everything, but it does fix most
 SH> filesystem errors. As a matter of fact, I've never encountered a
 SH> filesystem error that chkdsk wasn't able to fix.

Here I already loose MP3. And when I loose others things?

Chkdsk dont fix "anything" here, & my system is with
FP38 also config definitions, is all on the place...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... "We're the most powerful planet on this earth." - Quayle.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: A BIG sort...

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 LE> 4OS2 has been available for years. I'm running it on this system.

I ask for *updating*, not availabilty.

4OS2 is good, all know this, but JPSoft stopped with 4OS2?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Please turn off the television. I'm reading messages.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Why is this?

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Sorry, I don't have the www address for the fixpack pages.

No problem.

 ET> What hardware do you have?

P200 & modem USR 33k6 Sportster.

 ET> I don't have all the answers, but others here can jump in too.

Ok.

 ET> Can you get or buy a cdrom with the fixpacks, so you don't have to
 ET> download the fixpacks again and again and again? That's a lot cheaper
 ET> and a lot faster than downloading the fixpacks over and over again.

It is a good idea.... :) Where to find this service? What are they?

 RB> Without 1k of script make 26000k absolutely no useful. (fp38br)

 ET> Do you have problems connecting to your ISP or to other computers with
 ET> a modem in general?

AFAIK, no. All seem is working well here.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 RB> The filename: Bach-Cello_Suite_No1_Courante.mp3
 ET> How big is this file?

2230kbytes.

 ET> I don't know, maybe I can search for it if I have time.

If interested, I post the links for you, but the most of
these ftp are private, passwords are necessary therefore.

See:

http://www.mp3bee.com

This a good mp3-searcher with a very easy interface.

Links for others searches are provided in response page, too.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... If cats could talk, they'd remind us that their ancestors ate ours.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hi Eddy!

 ET> What's 'table partition'? Or do you mean you erased the partition
 ET> table?

Yeah, is it. :)

 ET> That would be dramatic I think. But if nothing is written to
 ET> this harddisk since then, I can recover the partition table. But
 ET> sending your harddisk is ofcourse out of the question.

But then how to recover? Now I am using it, but is nice to know.

 ET> everything is installed directly from the cdrom. I think BMT Micro has
 ET> also such cdroms, you can check that out on www.bmtmicro.com for
 ET> example.

I visited the site before, but looking for other thing.

I dont see anything about FP. I go check after...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Braille??  Where?   I don't see it....

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:02
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hi Eddy

 ET> I use wget to get files from internet, HTML- or other files, http://
 ET> or ftp, doesn't matter, wget gets it all. I posted messages with my

But the wget need emx, nftp 1.41 need emx 0.9a
& others programs dont run.

I like native os2 soft... Much more bullet-proof.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Thinkers travel in cognito.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:03
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: help please?

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hi Eddy

 ET> limit (the higher the resolution the more video memory is needed, the
 ET> more colors are used the more video memory is needed), the rest of the
 ET> video memory can be used to store things like textures etc. My video

I already know it. :)

Which I didnt know, is "can" or "need" be for textures.

 ET> card has 8 MB video memory, I could expand that to 16 MB if I needed
 ET> to. But 8 MB is sufficient for 1280 x 1024 with 32-bits color-depth.

Resolution higher than it can be used on 15' monitor?

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             06-Oct-99 15:07:03
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    07-Oct-99 00:16:20
Subj: Need OS/2

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hi Eddy

 ET> Checkdisk (chkdsk.exe) is some time ago replaced by a newer version
 ET> (32-bit IIRC). Do you have the new version?

Ok. (doubt: "IIRC" stands for what? :)

 ET> If you do have HPFS partitions, check your config.sys:

 ET> IFS=D:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:xxxx /CRECL:x /AUTOCHECK:xxxxxx

Ok.

IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:2048 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:CDEFG

 ET> D: is my boot partition. Check if the /AUTOCHECK: parameter is present
 ET> and lists all the HPFS-partitions you have, it needs to have all the
 ET> HPFS-partitions.

All partitions are hpfs.

 ET> What harddisks do you have? Brand? SCSI? IDE? Capacity? Which year is
 ET> your BIOS made?

HDs: 850MB & 6.4GB, Quantum IDE. And BIOS AMI of 97.

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From: Holger Granholm                                   06-Oct-99 17:21:00
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

In a message dated 10-03-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger
Granholm:

Hello Jonathan,

JP>Hobbes has a limit on the number of anonymous users that can connect
JP>simultaneously.  If you are using an FTP client that treats any
JP>error response from the PASS command as "password is wrong", then it
JP>will have been seeing the "too many anonymous users" message from
JP>the FTP server and treating it as a password error.

Thanks for the explanation/consolation. However, I did find an
previously unseen hobbes.txt file in the FTBrowser directory.

If I understand it correctly I should prefix the password with
the word "PASS" (without quotes). Also the text suggests to begin
the password with a hyphen as a cure for other difficulties.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   06-Oct-99 18:17:00
  To: George Fliger                                     07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: Re: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

In a message dated 10-03-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger
Granholm:

JP>Hobbes has a limit on the number of anonymous users that can connect
JP>simultaneously.  If you are using an FTP client that treats any
JP>error response from the PASS command as "password is wrong", then it
JP>will have been seeing the "too many anonymous users" message from
JP>the FTP server and treating it as a password error.

Hello George (and Jonathan),

Finally I got the connection to work. I tried first the suggestions by
you to no avail.

After having found the hobbes.txt file in the FTBrowser directory (see
my message to Jonathan) I experimented further.

Finally after having put a hyphen in front of my password I made a
successful connect with hobbes ftp.

Below are excerpts from the file hobbes.txt:

>hobbes FTP server (Version wu-2.4(2) Thu May 4 12:16:33 MDT 1995) ready.
>USER anonymous
>Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
>PASS ********
>If your FTP client crashes or hangs shortly after login, please try
>using a dash (-) as the first character of your password.  This
>will turn off the informational messages that may be confusing your
>FTP client.

There we have it.

>NMSU has no affiliation with Walnut Creek, makers of the Hobbes OS/2 CD-ROM.

That is cdrom.com, ain't it ;-)

>You are user 58 out of a possible 200

And this is what Jonathan mentioned about the number of users.

====== end of excerpts and my comments ========

Thanks to both of you for the suggestions and clarifications.

Regards,

Holger

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From: George Fliger                                     05-Oct-99 05:55:19
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

On 4 Oct 99 03:41pm, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Charles Gaefke:

 SH> 02 Oct 99 13:30, Charles Gaefke wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>> You should clarify. Technically, Linux, OS/2, and Win32 are DOS's.
 SH>> "Disk Operating System". {smile}

 CG> People no longer refer to operating systems as DOS.

 SH> You must have missed my sarcasm.

 SH> People also don't often refer to "cars" as "automobiles".

Or quadra-velocipedes!

George


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From: Rachel Veraa                                      04-Oct-99 20:11:09
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: OS/2 Support

In a message to Roger Nelson, Jack Stein wrote:

JS> supporting OS/2, right damn next to WIN 3.1.  In less than a year,
JS> WIN would have been crushed as useless junk, and everyone would have
JS> been running OS/2.

JS> IBM DID NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN!

As you know perfectly well, IBM *couldn't* let it happen.  Microsoft
threatened to withhold licenses from OEMs that preloaded or bundled OS/2,
threatened to withhold development tools from software producers who ported to
OS/2, and threatened to cut off IBM altogether if they continued to press OS/2
-- and they increased IBM's price for Windows %500 just to show they meant
business.  Big Blue would've been out of the PC business altogether in six
months.


       Cheers,
           Rachel

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From: Charles Gaefke                                    05-Oct-99 22:59:02
  To: John Angelico                                     07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: Re: It's over. Period.

JA> Wooowww! How do you manage to burn a CD in Win????? Or should I ask -
JA> having burned, are you able to read anything useful?

    It's easy.  Adaptec Direct CD works very well.  I've made several CDs and
all are readable.


C. Gaefke
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From: Andy Roberts                                      06-Oct-99 12:18:22
  To: Jack Stein                                        07-Oct-99 07:03:00
Subj: OS/2 Support

 Jack Stein,

04-Oct-99 08:22:33, Jack Stein wrote to Andy Roberts
 JS> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
          Subject: OS/2 Support

 AR>> Personally I think IBM made a very bad call to give up on the end
 AR>> user SOHO user market regardless of how much more Microsoft was
 AR>> going to charge them or even if Microsoft didn't let IBM bundle
 AR>> Microsoft software to IBM clients.  For the money IBM charges
 AR>> those big business clients IBM could send someone down to the
 AR>> local shop to buy WinXX retail, and still make a profit.  IMO
 AR>> someone at IBM completely under-estimated the effect of what
 AR>> software a user has at home has on what software will be chosen
 AR>> for big business later.  IMO IBM falsely assumed that Microsoft
 AR>> home users would suddenly switch to OS/2 at work because of
 AR>> reliability.  Thus IBM falsely assumed that they could still hold
 AR>> onto the big business market even if they let loose of the end
 AR>> users.  By the time IBM figured out that isn't the way businesses
 AR>> grow, it was too late.

 JS> So, you think IBM is stupid.  I don't, no one is that stupid.

No I don't think IBM is stupid.  That scenario was long past.  That's what I
meant by 20-20 hind sight not being worth much.

From today's perspective it is easy to see the problems that were caused and
will be caused by a competitor with 90% of the market share.  At the time IBM
made the "very bad call" Microsoft had only a few % of the market share.  IMO
IBM failed to be able to see what the then future (now present) effects of
home use would have on the big business trends.

Let me make an analogy:  It was like getting shot at by someone who is very
far away.  By the time you hear the sound and can react to that, the bullet
has already reached it's target.  The first shot misses.  Win3.1 did very
little damage and was included in Warp.  At this point IBM may consider that
any following shots will probably also miss the target because of the distance
and the inaccuracy of the shooter.  IBM stops trying to patch Win32s and makes
no effort to run Win95 apps, since it is only then being released (WinNT
doesn't exist yet) at that time.  That's when IBM made the "very bad call"
that conceded the home user and SOHO market to Microsoft.  IMO IBM at that
time had no idea that later "Cut Throat Contracts" would eventually be like
getting hit by a bullet right in the head.  IMO IBM at that time had no idea
that the former game platform Win3.1 would evolve into anything that business
users would want.

 AR>> So now IBM is trying to make the best of a bad situation and make
 AR>> their profit as a "Service" company.  No doubt Microsoft software
 AR>> needs a lot more service than OS/2.  That means more money to
 AR>> IBM.

 JS> IBM though is a hardware company first, always has been.  They are
 JS> so big, they make a ton selling software and service along with
 JS> their products

That WAS the situation long ago.  The PC clone makers stomped all over IBM's
hardware company.  And it WAS those PC clone retailers that were first to sign
the Microsoft "Cut Throat Contracts."  And because they had such a large
portion of the market share, the programmers were second to sign the Microsoft
"Cut Throat Contracts."  Now we have prgms that some users think *MUST* be run
on a WinNT Server for the WinNT clients to be able to use.  And PCs have taken
over a lot of the work the IBM Main Frames used to do.  So IBM hardware is not
in demand like it WAS.  And Lotus is a good example of the IBM software being
sold, which is now mostly for Microsoft.  So that leaves IBM with "Service".

 AR>> There is an irony in that.  It isn't that OS/2 is not good enough,
 AR>> rather it is that OS/2 is too good.  Microsoft doesn't care if some
 AR>> other OS like Apple or OS/2 is better.  Microsoft wants to be the "only"
 AR>> OS.  That made OS/2 a target just like Apple was a target.  IBM doesn't
 AR>> care which OS it's paying clients want support for.  IBM will even
 AR>> support Linux "if it pays."

 JS> Yes, I understand all that.  IBM is a very smart company.  They
 JS> make good business decisions, I don't doubt that.

I don't think every business decision IBM made was good in the long run, even
if it may have seemed good at that time.

Technical merits, performance and money for DOS or OS/2 are no match for
Microsoft's unscrupulous marketing tactics.

 JS> I appreciate your time and thoughts as always Andy, and yes, you make a
 JS> lot of sense on this, even though I may argue with some, I'm listening

There is plenty of room to argue with some of those reasons.  I just tried to
present the situation from a rational perspective based on fragments of
facts.  There is something else that I deliberately left out of that
presentation, since I have no proof whatsoever for it.  Part of me still
thinks Bill Gates might have used some form of subliminal suggestion or
hypnosis on someone or many inside IBM to tip the balance.  In fact I know of
an author who was so convinced of that possibility, that he wrote some code
into his otherwise irrelevant prgm, just to prove how it could have been done
technically, by flashing some info on the screen that came and went too fast
for most users to recognize it consciously, even if they knew exactly where
and when to look.  In spite of all the physical reasons which I and many
others have presented to justify or rationalize IBM's actions, I just can't
believe that was enough or all that was involved.  IMO Microsoft had to have
an ace under the table that their victims didn't now about, during several of
the IBM (less than reasonable) decisions.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: James Byrnes                                      07-Oct-99 22:00:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   07-Oct-99 22:00:00
Subj: EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??

On 10-06-1999, Holger Granholm wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
about "EMX 0.9d fix 2 ??:"

Hi Holger,

HG> Thanks for the explanation/consolation. However, I did find an
HG> previously unseen hobbes.txt file in the FTBrowser directory.
HG>
HG> If I understand it correctly I should prefix the password with
HG> the word "PASS" (without quotes). Also the text suggests to begin
HG> the password with a hyphen as a cure for other difficulties.
HG>

What version of FtpBrowser are you using?  I am using 1.71 and don't
need to do the above.  I looked for the hobbes.txt file you mention but
could not find it.  A look in my readme shows this quote:

- fixed a bug which confused FTP Browser when informational messages
  posted by some sites contained an extra new line character.
  A dash as the first character of the password is no longer needed
  for Hobbes. (Directory -> Synchronize)

Maybe you don't have the latest version.

Hope this helps.

Regards,  Jim

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From: Murray Lesser                                     07-Oct-99 22:12:00
  To: Sean Dennis                                       07-Oct-99 22:12:00
Subj: It's over?

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-05-99, Sean Dennis to Murray Lesser)

Hi Sean--

SD>OK, how many people you know that have a 80186?  I know my history.
  >I'd think that most people in this echo would know I was
  >talking about a 386 and above. Maybe next time I say
  >something, I'll break everything down to the lowest common
  >denominator for people like you who assume that I don't know what
  >I'm talking about.  I've been involved with computers well over half
  >my life (and I'm only 27).  I know that OS/2 won't run on a 8086 or
  >80186.  Please.  Don't insult me like that.

    Sorry.  No insult intended.  I guess I was having a bad day and took
it out on you.  BTW, your longevity claim isn't very impressive.  There
are several of us on this echo who have been programming computers since
long before you were born.  Besides, longevity doesn't guarantee wisdom.

 ML> The thing that the doomsayers really are saying (although many of
 ML> them obviously don't know it!) is that they (the SOHO users) have
 ML> been left out of IBM's future plans for OS/2.  They are correct!!
 ML> OS/2 was

SD>No joking?  Hmmm... maybe there are those of us who realize that OS/2
  >was never really ment to be a SOHO client and that the Warp client
  >series was a 'test' market for OS/2.

    You are right about the original intended customer set for OS/2.
When first announced (OS/2 1.0 in 1987), it was described as an
industrial-strength operating system for large commercial users.  But
you are wrong in your statement "that the Warp client series was a
'test' market for OS/2."  The first version of OS/2 appeared seven years
before the first "Warp client" did.

    IBN made what it thought was a valid marketing attempt to push the
first Warp version (OS/2 3.0) to the SOHO market when that version was
first released (1994).  There have been many theories expressed on this
echo (including a grand conspiracy theory) as to why that effort was
abandoned.  I know little of the real story, but my own pet opinion is
that IBM finally learned that it doesn't know how to deal with a
nonprofessional individual user :-(.  I base this opinion, in part, on
those terrible 1994/5 TV ads for OS/2.

SD>You're talking about application prices?  Gee, StarOffice is free.
  >That's a nice application.  90% of the software I run for OS/2 is
  >either free or a very cheaply-priced shareware.  Not all of us go
  >searching for the big-buck IBM stuff when you can look on the web
  >and find something identical in function for a lot less.

    I used the current prices for IBM "professional" OS/2 software only
as an indication of IBM's view of its current market for OS/2.  If you
look in the latest IBM Software catalog (mine arrived yesterday) you
will find that IBM is making some of its OS/2 software available only to
customers who have a "Passport Advantage" contract (included in this
category is the OS/2 variant "Workspace On-Demand").  Elsewhere in that
same catalog, it is stated that a "Passport Advantage" contract saves
the customer money if that customer is running 10 or more desktop
machines.  This doesn't fit many SOHO users that I know!

    An early version of Star Office (called "IBM Works" at the time) was
distributed (free) with the Warp 3 Bonus Pak.  There has been other free
software for OS/2 available from IBM (EWS programs).  None of the "free"
or "shareware" application programs for OS/2 that I have seen are what
one might call "mission critical" software suitable for commercial use.
And not all "identical in function" to IBM software can be obtained from
other sources.  Where else can you find a PL/I compiler for OS/2?  (US
list price $2,999, although I got the current v 2.1 from IBM for much
less!)  I, too, use several shareware application programs (all
registered).  But very few large commercial concerns will use shareware,
largely because they want to be as certain as possible that the provider
of the software will still be around to fix it when.  And large
commercial concerns (IBM's target market for OS/2) don't mind paying
$2,999 (and up) a crack for "mission critical" software designed to meet
"enterprise" requirements.

SD>Do you think that I slapped OS/2 in without reading up on it and
  >studying it first?  Do me a favor and don't try to correct me when I
  >know what I'm talking about.

    OK.  But how am I supposed to know when you know what you are
talking about?

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  07-Oct-99 10:47:19
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: File Managers

Hello Stewart!

06 Oct 99 11:12, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>> I'm wrong. Slightly %) Which mpg123.dll?
 SH> Z! includes a copy of mpg123.dll in the archive. You can either have
 SH> it in Z!'s directory or any directory in your LIBPATH.
    AFAIK vary versions of Z! use vary versions mpg123.dll. Latest, AFAIK 1.08
can play all mp3 files.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... Don't be held back by yesterday's DOS!  Try today's OS/2!
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From: Ian Moote                                         05-Oct-99 07:30:00
  To: KENNETH ABRAMS                                    08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

KA> IM> I don't understand this problem. ISP's don't "support" operating
KA> IM> systems, they provide an Internet connection service through a
KA> IM> clearly defined interface.
KA>
KA> Depends on how you look at it. They may not "support" operating
KA> systems, but they can certainly shape the information they provide
KA> based on assumptions about what operating system you're running or
KA> try to refuse information or help because you are not running the
KA> "right" os. Examples:

Yeah, okay, that's all well and good and I've read about your
experiences previously in this echo. Can you tell me why OS/2 won't
connect to AT&T's system? I don't understand that.

Take care and TTYL.

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From: Ian Moote                                         07-Oct-99 07:58:00
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

JP> But a naive user who has only ever been exposed to the custom
JP> dialler that IBM provides for OS/2 specifically for its *own* ISP
JP> service could well form the mistaken idea that diallers *are* linked
JP> to individual ISPs.

Oooooo! Zinger! [:D

I guess that answers my question. Thanks. Take care and TTYL.

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    04-Oct-99 20:10:21
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Objects

Hello Russell,

01 Oct 99 23:18, Russell Tiedt wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RT>> Does this include Adaptec 1542B SCSI cards.

ET>> Maybe, you should check it out. I don't have such a SCSI card.

RT> To my regret the only SCSI devices I own are a very suspect 2X CD-ROM
RT> drive and a unknown tape drive.

What do you mean by 'very suspect' ?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    04-Oct-99 20:34:04
  To: Murray Lesser                                     08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: system clock?

Hello Murray,

03 Oct 99 08:27, Murray Lesser wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ML> restored the desktop to its previous form from my desktop backup
ML> (UniMaint).

I also Unimaint to manage my desktop. This weekend I had a problem, DOS
sessions could not run anymore, so I deleted the whole DOS environment and
installed the DOS environment again with selective install, and put fixpak 9
again to update the DOS environment with the fixes in fp 9. But then the video
mode wat put on 640x480x256 and all colors very different from anything before
(much, much red) - weird - but I remembered Unimaint and I removed the current
desktop directory and put back the last backed up desktop directory (nothing
else, I didn't put back the INI files from the same backup), and rebooted,
then my desktop was restored. I had backed up my desktop with Unimaint each
time I installed software which put objects on the desktop or I moved or put
objects on the desktop myself or I changed my desktop otherwise.

ML> Or, I could have restored the entire boot drive from its
ML> backup.  There is nothing like a good backup policy to correct for
ML> operator stupidity :-).

Very true.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... Nice Try this Nerds Toy, but No Thanks. Maybe I get my New Troubles Next
Time.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    04-Oct-99 20:48:22
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: It's not quite over

Hello Ron,

03 Oct 99 00:00, Ron Nicholls wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RN> I have looked, superficially, at the internet dialer and it would seem
RN>  that editing the 'INI' file would be the only way, unless you
RN> know of another.

I have never used IBM's internet service, so I wouldn't know.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      06-Oct-99 22:48:26
  To: ALL                                               08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Installing win98 with OS/2 v4?

I setup Warp v4 on a new machine tonight. I installed boot manager and
created a 2 gig primary partition for win98 and installed Warp v4 on a
extended partition. I left about 117mb for the last logical drive on the
extended partition for a OS/2 maintenance partition.

The question I have is what do I need to do in order to prevent win98
install from wiping out OS/2's boot manager and OS/2 installation on
the D: drive in the extended partition on a 6 gig hard drive (I used
the newest IDE drivers).

Also, is System Commander v4.0 a more feature rich boot manager
compared to OS/2's boot manager? I have it here and I'm wondering if it
would be a good idea of installing it over OS/2's boot manager.

As usual for all the times I've installed Warp v4.x, I'm having trouble
getting a non-Sound Blaster 16 sound card to work with Warp v4.0. It
identifies itself as a OPL3-SA3 sound card at BIOS bootup. Warp can't
see it.

Also, the network failed to install. OS/2 install reported an error
1608 (I think). I installed the driver for a DFE-530TX PCI Ethernet
card during the install procedure. Something went wrong with the
network software install though and no network support was installed at
all. I didn't see any mention of NetBieu protocol support in OS/2's
install program. What do I need to do in order for OS/2 to
communication to a win98 network?

jh -
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From: Jack Stein                                        06-Oct-99 07:45:09
  To: Bat Lang                                          08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: OS/2 and SoundBlaster AWE64

Bat Lang wrote in a message to Dan Egli:

 BL> chipset, with driver support readily available. I got mine
 BL> about 8-10 months ago for $32 + s&h. Sad to say, I still
 BL> haven't installed it, ...

I knew there was something about you I liked:-)


                                              Jack
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From: Jack Stein                                        06-Oct-99 07:49:21
  To: David Randall                                     08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

David Randall wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 DR> The message sent out to ibm.net customers says you can use
 DR> your OS/2 dialer if you opt for the business rather than
 DR> consumer account.

 JS> I used the OS/2 Dialer, and the Injoy dialer on the AT&T
 JS> consumer account.  Wonder how they figure out that stupid
 JS> line?

 DR> I've never attempted to use their WorldNet service, but
 DR> maybe they're just saying that they're never going to write
 DR> any OS/2 software for their users.

It just amazes me that all these ISP's that deny OS/2 exists, refuse to make
any effort to provide the slightest support for OS/2 users.  How hard would it
be to carry a setup file for OS/2, anyway?  One little text file on what
parameters to plug in where in DOIP is all they need.  Instead, they just deny
OS/2 exists in their world.

                                              Jack
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     05-Oct-99 21:01:20
  To: Dan Egli                                          08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: FixPack 11

Dan Egli wrote in a message to All:

 DE> I tried to install FixPack 11 today. But it keeps telling me there
 DE> are no products selected, yet it never gives me the option to
 DE> select  a product. Can I install Fixpack 11? I have installed
 DE> nothing before.  Seems I heard a rumor that fixpack 7 must be
 DE> installed before any  above 7 can be. Is that true?

I get the same error message trying to install fixpack 38 on warp 3 connect,
(XRUW038).

But installed fixpack 9 (XRUM009) on warp 4 (no previous fixpacks) using the
same procedure and software, worked flawlessly.

Now Warp 4 might be better than Warp 3, but I am happier using Warp 3.

Does any one know if the above version of fixpack 38 is the correct fixpack
version for Warp 3 Connect RED box (no ms-windows)

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     05-Oct-99 21:13:14
  To: Bat Lang                                          08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: FixPack 11

Bat Lang wrote in a message to Dan Egli:

 -=> Quoting Dan Egli to All, [02 Oct 99  00:15:04] <=-

 DE> Question anyone.
 DE>
 DE> I tried to install FixPack 11 today. But it keeps telling me there
 DE> are no products selected, yet it never gives me the option to select

Me neither. :-((

 BL> This is a fairly common occurrence. The reason that it tells you
 BL> that is because the widest-upper window, which contains the name of
 BL> the "products" to be updated, must first be 'selected', ie,
 BL> spotlite it with your mouse and double click it. When it reverses
 BL> color, it is now 'selected' and (memory) activates some further
 BL> options below, which were not 'open' to you UNTIL you 'selected'
 BL> the product to update.

 DE> a product. Can I install Fixpack 11? I have installed nothing before.
 DE> Seems I heard a rumor that fixpack 7 must be installed before any
 DE> above 7 can be. Is that true?

 BL> Each FixPak (=not= FixPack) accumulates everything that went before
 BL> it, so installing FP11 gives you the same as if you had installed
 BL> the earlier FPs. I hope this is clear, as I don't have that
 BL> selector window to refer to as I write this from memory.  Good
 BL> Modeming!  /\oo/\

I have never seen that selector window, indeed did not see it when I used
installed fixpack nine to Warp 4, but using the same utilities (QF11.ZIP and
CS_141.exe) I get the above mentioned error while trying to install fixpack 38
(XRUW038) on a Warp 3 Connect Red box system.

Does anyone know why???

Go well,

Russell
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From: Jan van der Heide                                 05-Oct-99 06:56:06
  To: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

 TBK> First add the following line to CONFIG.SYS and reboot:

 TBK> SET DESKTOP=C:\DESKTOP

Never knew that such a setting existed.
We try the script first, but I will keep this in mind. Thanks.

Gegroet, Jan
Holland User Group OS/2, Team OS/2 NL, Certified Systems Expert OS/2 Warp
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From: Jan van der Heide                                 05-Oct-99 06:58:13
  To: Hans-Ole Larsen                                   08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: WP_DESKTOP setting lost

 HL>  NA6262 This morning, the problem happened again, and the
 HL> desktop got  NA6262 destroyed. Upon  PM being loaded it says
 HL> "Unable to find desktop in  NA6262 OS2.INI". I tried
 HL> re-creating it with MAKEINI, but the INI files  NA6262
 HL> dissappear once I reboot!

 HL> You may want to try this:

Good to see that a lot of people came up with a solution. I forwarded the
script file from Eddy to the person with this problem. Thanks.

Gegroet, Jan
Holland User Group OS/2, Team OS/2 NL, Certified Systems Expert OS/2 Warp
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From: Peter Knapper                                     08-Oct-99 08:37:19
  To: Will Honea                                        08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: system clock?

Hi Will,

 WH> Interesting.  I have a 4 unit NEC changer (IDE) and a SCSI CDRW that
 WH> seem to get along fine with no delays.

In the Pioneer case, it uses a single caddy for the 6 CD's, and if the caddy
is not in the drive, then all drive letters return a "not ready" status
immediately so no delay is noticed. The moment the caddy is inserted, it will
try and load a CD when one of the assigned driver letters is accessed, and
thats when the delay in MEMSIZE occurs. If your drive uses a rotundra
methodology to change CD's, then the detection of the presence of a CD is
probably much faster...

 WH> What I find objectionable - and it may be the same bug -
 WH> is that all the connected LAN drives are scanned resulting
 WH> in really annoying slowdowns at every update. This also
 WH> occurs whether the LAN drives are displayed or not.

The only time I see delays in reporting of LAN drives is when the MEMSIZE
machine loses contact with the machine being monitored (it dies or the LAN
cable is removed somewhere). If you are seeing this quite regular, then maybe
there is an actual LAN issue somewhere, I dont see that level of degradation
until something is REALLY wrong on the LAN.

I also agree that NONE of the error situations we are seeing should cause
delays anywhere, IF the object related to the delay is not currently
configured into the MEMSIZE reporting. It may be worth droping Rick a line
about your symptoms and see if he is aware of them. His email address is on
the "Product Information" page off the menu, and he responded to my messages
in very quick time, something like 6 hours to all them them. An excellent
response.

 WH> Adding to that I was using the Theseus/2 methods which FP12 killed, so
 WH> it's back to 3.30 for me, too.

Hmmmm. I had a small utility that used to work fine but stopped working after
one of the FP's. It USED to work on Warp 4 no FP, I next applied FP6 but can't
remember running it. I then applied FP9 and it dies with a Trap 5 every time.
Similar with Warp 3 FP39, Trap 5 there too. It was ok on FP31 prior to FP39.

Rule of S/W upgrades #271 - "For each and every upgrade there will be an
associated downgrade and period of pain."............;-)

Cheers...........pk.


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From: Torsten Balle Koefoed                             03-Oct-99 01:40:03
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: ibmgradd

Hi there Stewart!

Replying to a message of Stewart Honsberger to Cyrill Vakhneyev:

 CV>> Latest stable is 0.80. Or try SDD/2. www.scitechsoft.com.

 SH> I refuse to pay for a video driver when there are alternatives.

You don't need to. Read the following:

-8<------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Guys,

Today is the first day of an official agreement between IBM and
SciTech for licensing SciTech Display Doctor for OS/2. IBM has
licensed a special edition of our SciTech Display Doctor for OS/2
product, to be made publicly available via their drivers online
pages, and in upcoming fixpacks for OS/2 Warp Client, OS/2 Warp
Server for e-Business and Workspace On Demand. In essence SciTech
Display Doctor will become the official display driver technology
included in all OS/2 products for IBM.

The IBM Special Edition of SciTech Display Doctor contains a subset
of the features contained in the full product, as outlined below:

 . Resolutions of 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1600x1200
 . Support for all color depths
 . Refresh rates from 60Hz to 85Hz
 . DDC Plug and Play monitor detection
 . Full hardware 2D acceleration
 . Hardware cursor

The IBM Special Edition will be made available by IBM after it passes
IBM's acceptance requirements. More information on this announcement
will be forthcoming when we do our official press release on the
matter.

Best Regards,

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|   SciTech Software - Building Truly Plug'n'Play Software!     |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| Kendall Bennett          | Email: [e-mail]    |
| Director of Engineering  | Phone: [phone]              |
| SciTech Software, Inc.   | Fax  : [phone]              |
| 505 Wall Street          | ftp  : ftp.scitechsoft.com         |
| Chico, CA 95928, USA     | www  : http://www.scitechsoft.com  |
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Yours etc.
  Torsten Balle Koefoed <[e-mail]>

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       06-Oct-99 23:18:00
  To: WILL HONEA                                        08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: system clock?

Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Peter Knapper
on 10-05-99  01:52 about system clock?...

 WH> Peter Knapper wrote to Roy J. Tellason on 10-04-1999

 PK> Hi Roy,
 PK>
 PK>  PK> The "current" release is MEMSZ331.ZIP, about 640Kb.
 PK>
 PK>  RJT> I don't seem to have that here.  Care to email it?
 PK>
 PK> Your lucky day. By the time you read this you wil probably
 PK> have the V3.20 that I already had at work.

 WH> Why not the latest,  ver 4?

It's beta, and it's also a big secret.  There's no reference in the 3.31
doc to it, or the website on which it can be found.  I didn't find out
about it until I modified MEMSIZE to use the DosPerfSysCall() API for CPU
usage, and sent the changes to Rick Papo.  He then informed me that he did
the same thing a while back, and the results are in the 4.0 beta.

Mike Ruskai
[e-mail]


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From: Ray Hyder                                         07-Oct-99 21:45:00
  To: Gene Tucker                                       08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: It'S Over. Period.


 * Reply to a msg from Gene Tucker @ 1:270/101 on 10-06-99

 GT> Stardock just tried that as of the 18th of September. IBM said
 GT> NO quite simply.

"NO quite simply" as in:

1) "Duh, no" 2) "NO" 3) "NOt enough $$$ offered" 4) "NOw way my big customers
will stand for this" 5) All of the above

Answer 5.  A company that would give up the consumer desktop with nary a
wimper to the likes of MSoft AND sell off its global Points Of Presence on the
Internet to AT&T is not intellectually based on any market known on this
planet.

Rumor:  The Fishkill NY Plant will soon be retrofited to produce VERY thin
cookies.  IBM has discovered cookies are an integral part of Internet
communications.  A sub-micron cookie is possible in this high technology
manufacturing facility.

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                07-Oct-99 19:12:29
  To: Sean Dennis                                       08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Linux

05 Oct 99 09:54, Sean Dennis wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SD> I'm considering doing what you are-running Linux and OS/2
 SD> side-by-side.

You won't regret it. Much as I like OS/2, it's still got its
shortcomings. For instance;

When I upgrade a Linux kernel, I keep the old(er) kernel around just
incase the new one barfs. (The fact that I can compile my OS to suit my
particular needs is another benefiet all in itself. Why should I have
the support loaded for hardware I don't have? Why shouldn't I have the
choice to later add support for hardware I may get?).

When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and it
wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed. With Linux, it
doesn't care what video card (if any) I have in my machine - as long as
the one I have installed will do a minimum of mono text mode (tty).

If my video drivers under Linux ever were screwed up, it just means I'm
limited to the console until I can get it fixed. When I do eventually
replace them with working drivers, I don't even have to re-boot for them
to take effect.

I could go on, but it would start to sound like I'm bashing OS/2, which
I'm not. The only expendable OS on my hard drive is Win'98. ;>

 SD> I'll keep the BBS on my OS/2 machine

That is one thing that OS/2 has that Linux can't yet offer - a wide base
of BBS related software. Since OS/2 offers DOS support better than DOS
itself, that base is even wider.

Unfortunately, Linux falls a little short with DOS EMUlator.

 SD> and set up a Linux machine for my personal use.

Also great for gating Internet bandwidth between the two machines. If
you have an internet account, it's a great tool. When you're configuring
something on one machine, you can have a HOWTO or newsgroup posting
or... open on the other monitor.

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

... All That Glitters Has A Highly Reflective Coating On It!
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  07-Oct-99 19:48:15
  To: Gene Tucker                                       08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Write Our Own Version

*** Quoting Gene Tucker to All dated 10-06-99 ***
> Well I was reading on one forum just recently and one user has proposed
> that we
> write our own version or OS/2 or an OS that will run OS/2 apps.
> Personally I
> found this intriging. My question is does anyone here think that it can
> be done.

The only thing impossible is skiing through a revolving door.

The question is how long will this take.  Linux was not written over night.
It took time to develop, test, debug, and release.

*** Quoting Gene Tucker to All dated 10-06-99 ***
> idea is to raise captital to buy OS/2 off of IBM. I find that a feasble
> idea
> coupled with perhaps an open source code for OS/2. We could evolve it

If every sysop using it kicked in 10 grand we probably wouldnt have enough to
buy the source code.  If it got leaked out by mistake, that would be another
story.  :}

If it was to happen, I would think OS/2000 would be a kool name.  :}

While its being developed, maybe a 68040 version could be done as well as
Pentium versions.

Rich
I-Net   [e-mail]


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From: Holger Granholm                                   07-Oct-99 21:02:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

In a message dated 10-04-99, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Nick Andre:

Hello Cyrill,

CV>    2) Use LXLite 1.21 to compress DLL's and execs

Where can that program be found?

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: John Thompson                                     07-Oct-99 09:16:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

In a message to John Thompson, Bob Wright wrote re: OS/2 friendly ISP

BW> However, the IBM dialler is not in fact required to successfully connect
to
BW> ibm.net.  I use both DOIP and Injoy (as well as the newer IBM dialler).
All
BW> that was required was to put the complete "service/account type/user id"
into
BW> the User ID field (e.g. internet.cainet.rtwrigh).

That's true, and in fact it's what I have my linux machine do
when it connects to ibm.net/attglobal.net.  But you do lose a
couple features; eg, the encrypted authentication for ppp
sessions, automatic checking for phone number list/dialer
updates,  the very versatile "autostart" options, etc.  The
Advantis OS/2 dialer isn't perfect, but it is still a pretty nice
dialer IMHO.


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From: John Thompson                                     07-Oct-99 09:16:00
  To: Holger Granholm                                   08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: /DBUFF

In a message to Peter Knapper, Holger Granholm wrote re: /DBUFF

PK>I use an Adaptec 1542C controller on the BBS with 32Mb memory using
PK>the /DBUFF parameter to enable double buffering that is a work-around
PK>the 16Mb DMA limit with ISA bus cards. You need the AHA154x driver
PK>dated 12 Aug 1996 or later for this.

HG> THAT is one thing I have never tried on this machine that gets slower
HG> with 32 Mb than it's with 16 Mb. I'll try that next time I have reason
HG> to open it. I have an Adaptec 2842 controller in it.

Isn't the AHA-2842 a VLB card?  If so, it shouldn't suffer the
bus-mastering issues that plague ISA cards, since the VLB bus is
already a 32-bit bus.


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From: John Thompson                                     07-Oct-99 09:16:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: E-Mail servers??

In a message to All, Russell Tiedt wrote re: E-Mail servers??

RT> Are there any free e-mail servers for OS/2 Warp3 Connect? NNTP and HTTP
servers
RT> would also be welcome.

nntp: "changi" http://www.egnite.com

http: "apache"
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/www/server/apachemt_1.3.4_bin_os2.
zip

email: http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/mail/server
quite a few in that directory.


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       07-Oct-99 17:02:00
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Installing win98 with OS/

Some senseless babbling from John Hentsch to All
on 10-06-99  22:48 about Installing win98 with OS/...

 JH> I setup Warp v4 on a new machine tonight. I installed boot manager
 JH> and created a 2 gig primary partition for win98 and installed Warp v4
 JH> on a extended partition. I left about 117mb for the last logical drive
 JH> on the extended partition for a OS/2 maintenance partition.

 JH> The question I have is what do I need to do in order to prevent win98
 JH> install from wiping out OS/2's boot manager and OS/2 installation on
 JH> the D: drive in the extended partition on a 6 gig hard drive (I used
 JH> the newest IDE drivers).

Win98 is probably like Win95, in that it will tell you that Boot Manager
can't be used, but won't do anything other than assign its own partition
the startable bit.

You'll just have to use FDISK (the DOS one in Win98 will do fine) to change
the Non-DOS partition to startable, after the installation is complete.

 JH> Also, is System Commander v4.0 a more feature rich boot manager
 JH> compared to OS/2's boot manager? I have it here and I'm wondering if
 JH> it would be a good idea of installing it over OS/2's boot manager.

I've never used SC, but it probably has a whole host of features not found
in BM, since a lot of OS/2 users have purchased it.

Since I can't conceive of any feature I'd need that BM doesn't have,
though, I haven't yet bought it.  Maybe in the future, when I decide to be
more clever in my partitioning.

 JH> As usual for all the times I've installed Warp v4.x, I'm having
 JH> trouble getting a non-Sound Blaster 16 sound card to work with Warp
 JH> v4.0. It identifies itself as a OPL3-SA3 sound card at BIOS bootup.
 JH> Warp can't see it.

Warp 4 was released three years ago.  You can't expect it to have drivers
for everything made since then.  Most sound cards have OS/2 drivers.  Yours
sounds like an Opti or ESS-based card.  It should have come with a driver
disk for OS/2, and you can probably also pick up the drivers from a web
site, if you know the manufacturer.

 JH> Also, the network failed to install. OS/2 install reported an error
 JH> 1608 (I think). I installed the driver for a DFE-530TX PCI Ethernet
 JH> card during the install procedure. Something went wrong with the
 JH> network software install though and no network support was installed
 JH> at all. I didn't see any mention of NetBieu protocol support in OS/2's
 JH> install program. What do I need to do in order for OS/2 to
 JH> communication to a win98 network?

NetBIEU is WinXX's name for NetBIOS, which OS/2 supports.  You will need to
update MPTN, since there's a bug that prevents writing to a WinXX box.

Mike Ruskai
[e-mail]


... Does that look like a slut to you, Beavis?

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From: Scott Jones                                       07-Oct-99 14:05:29
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Re: Norton AV

-=> On 06 Oct 99  15:07:04, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 SJ> BackOrifice/2 is the OS/2 port of the BO client.  This allows people
 SJ> to access a BO-infected Winbox using OS/2.  It does *not* allow others
 SJ> to access an OS/2 machine via BackOrifice.

 RCB> But you are sure about server dont exist?

Currently, no, it doesn't exist, and I've searched all over for any
possibility of its' existance.  The newer version, BO2K, *could* be
ported to OS/2 were some enterprising hacker moved to do so.  I have the
source right here, AAMOF.  It's useless to me, however, as: a) I can't
even program in REXX and b) it requires MS Visual C++ v6.0, which I
don't believe exists for OS/2.  Not to say it couldn't be done, but the
difficulty of such I'll leave for an actual programmer to determine.

                              Scott Jones
                        ([e-mail])


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From: Ruth Argust                                       08-Oct-99 00:33:15
  To: Ian Moote                                         08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: OS/2 friendly ISP

Hi Ian.

Ian Moote wrote in a message to KENNETH ABRAMS:

 IM> Yeah, okay, that's all well and good and I've read about your
 IM> experiences previously in this echo. Can you tell me why OS/2 won't
 IM> connect to AT&T's system? I don't understand that.

It does and will. The secret is that AT&T uses CHAP for connection but, of
course, they don't tell you that part of it. The rest of the setup is the same
as for any other provider.

                               *ruth*

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From: Bat Lang                                          07-Oct-99 17:11:25
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Bat Lang, [06 Oct 99  15:07:04] <=-

 BL> As SOON as that "Saving Location" screen pops up, do the <PrtScn>
 BL> routine before it aborts and leaves you with no clue.

 RCB> Exist anyone way to copy&paste this url?

 RCB> This is much more easy... :)

It resisted all my efforts, but another recent post here prompted me to
get a new app, which promised to be able to do that. So far, I have not
had any luck in figuring out its mysteries, but then I have not =needed=
this capability yet, so I haven't played with it. So far I have two new
icons on my desktop, "DTClip" and "DRG-TXT". I tried dragging that URL,
to the former, but it didn't wind up in the clipboard, so I presume that
perhaps I should have dragged it to the latter icon??  The app is:

drgtxt31.zip     399608 1999/07/15  DragText v3.1

from Hobbes in NM. If the DragText advocate is reading this, I wouldn't
mind a bit of coaching re: the above paragraph. {^; Good Modeming!
/\oo/\

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  08-Oct-99 01:18:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: A BIG sort...

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Leonard Erickson <=-

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 LE> 4OS2 has been available for years. I'm running it on this system.

 RCB> I ask for *updating*, not availabilty.

 RCB> 4OS2 is good, all know this, but JPSoft stopped with 4OS2?

Not that I know of. It got updated the same time everything else did.
Just keep in mind the fact that since it started later, the version
number is lower than that of 4dos.

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From: Frits Spieker                                     07-Oct-99 17:28:00
  To: Peter French                                      08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Free lunch *is* over

Tuesday October 05 1999: Hairs a mess and tie askew Peter French walked up to
Frits Spieker and stated:

 PF> they are asking me to pay $279 for 2 years of future updates to my
 PF> favourite Intel OS.  Hmmm, tough choice here!

*what* updates? IBM asks you to pay in *advance* without telling what you get
for it.
Just look at what was offered the last two years in Software Choice and then
ask yourself again.

 PF> Cynics know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

Sure. And fools still think there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Vriendelijke groet,
// Frits //

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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      08-Oct-99 06:13:02
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       08-Oct-99 15:26:08
Subj: Installing win98 with OS/

On 10/07/1999 in OS/2 (F) Mike Ruskai wrote to John Hentsch:

MR> You'll just have to use FDISK (the DOS one in Win98 will do fine)

Got it...

MR> I've never used SC, but it probably has a whole host of features
MR> not found in BM, since a lot of OS/2 users have purchased it.

I decided to start over and installed System Commander first. win98
went it very smoothly. I'm going to try to get OS/2 in next.

I'm considering the partitioning strategy. Should I install OS/2 in the
primary partition or on a logical drive in the extended partition?
I think I'll try to install in the primary partition. The advantage -
or disadvantage - is that the two OSs won't be able to see each other's
partition.


MR> OS/2 drivers.  Yours sounds like an Opti or ESS-based card.

Windows identified it as a Yamaha OPL3-SAx card. I'll try to shoe-horn
it in.

MR> NetBIEU is WinXX's name for NetBIOS, which OS/2 supports.  You
MR> will need to update MPTN, since there's a bug that prevents
MR> writing to a WinXX box.

Thank you for the information, Mike. I'll give it another try.

jh -

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From: Steve McCrystal                                   07-Oct-99 06:43:04
  To: Jack Stein                                        08-Oct-99 15:46:26
Subj: It's over. Period.

;
In a msg of <Sunday October 03 1999>, Jack Stein writes to Steve Mccrystal:
;
Jack,


 SM>> In all honesty, I kept OS/2 on a FAT drive for about 5
 SM>> years, for just that reason (really).  At the time I didn't
 SM>> have the drive space for a maintenance partition, so when
 SM>> OS/2 refused to boot (for whatever reason) I'd simply boot
 SM>> DOS and fix things up.  Booting from OS/2 floppies was
 SM>> rarely an option at the time.

 JS> I could always boot from floppies, thats how you install OS/2,
 JS> you boot from an OS/2 floppy.  Early on though, I made an OS/2
 JS> boot floppy instead of using the one that came with the install
 JS> disks, one disk was better than swapping disks.

<G>  I could always boot from floppies, too, altho a quick scan of my post
would show that the problem became a lack of OS/2 utilities to FIX the
problems
as they happened.  There were numerous DOS programs that allowed me to do what
I needed, so I just stuck with them. OS/2 is much more stable in that regard,
now, so I rarely find it necessary, but I can assure you the earlier problems
were not related to having OS/2 on a FAT drive, at least not FAT in and of
itself.

We are talking about the period here when HPFS driver updates were appearing
almost as fast as COM/VCOM driver fixes!  :^)

-[Steve]-

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   08-Oct-99 13:37:13
  To: John Thompson                                     08-Oct-99 21:32:07
Subj: /DBUFF

John Thompson wrote in a message to Holger Granholm:

 JT> Isn't the AHA-2842 a VLB card?

Yes,  I use one here.

 JT> If so, it shouldn't suffer the bus-mastering issues that plague
 JT> ISA cards, since the VLB bus is already a 32-bit bus.

*Some* VLB boards don't support bus-mastering cards,  apparently.

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From: Daniela Engert                                    06-Oct-99 19:19:21
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         08-Oct-99 21:32:07
Subj: Why there are no OS/2 viruses

Hi Jonathan!

Thus quoth Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara:

 JdBP> The fact that no-one, in the 8 or so years that 32-bit OS/2 has
 JdBP> existed so far, has produced a native OS/2 virus -- despite the

At Warpstock Europe in Bochum, I spoke with Markus Montkowski from Norman Data
Defense (one of the producers of virus protection software). He told me, they
have exactly 4 OS/2 native viruses in their companies safe. These are no
threat at all because they are way too fat. Compare this figure to other OS's
:-)

bye, Dani

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From: Rolf Behringer                                    08-Oct-99 09:46:08
  To: Peter French                                      08-Oct-99 21:32:07
Subj: Hammer&Screwdriver

Hallo Peter,

 PF> the dreaded Hammer and screwdriver
 PF> (WPObjData) Data File is back in my Templates folder.

Run this REXX script and reboot:

-- cut ------------------------------------------------------

/* dereg.cmd */
/* REXX script to deregister the WPObjData class */

call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs'
call SysLoadFuncs

if SysDeregisterObjectClass("WPObjData")
then
   say "Success"
else
   say "Failure"

-- cut ------------------------------------------------------


bye, Rolf

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From: Will Honea                                        08-Oct-99 19:56:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       08-Oct-99 19:56:00
Subj: system clock?

MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 10-06-1999

MR> It's beta, and it's also a big secret.  There's no reference in
MR> the 3.31 doc to it, or the website on which it can be found.  I
MR> didn't find out about it until I modified MEMSIZE to use the
MR> DosPerfSysCall() API for CPU usage, and sent the changes to Rick
MR> Papo.  He then informed me that he did the same thing a while back,
MR> and the results are in the 4.0 beta.

No mention of 'beta' in the copy I got - or on the web site.  It IS a
well kept secret, tho, isn't it?

FYI, IBM has released an updated THESUS/2 package for Warp 4, Warp 3
fp 42 and Warp SMP.  I just got it from:

http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fixnews.html

But I haven't tried it yet.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Will Honea                                        08-Oct-99 19:59:01
  To: Peter Knapper                                     08-Oct-99 19:59:01
Subj: system clock?

Peter Knapper wrote to Will Honea on 10-08-1999

PK> Rule of S/W upgrades #271 - "For each and every upgrade
PK> there will be an associated downgrade and period of
PK> pain."............;-)

That's what Murray refers to a 'the bleeding edge'.  See my reply to
Mike R. re. a new release of Theseus - I really use that program a lot
so this was good news, indeed.

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