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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:24:18 EDT
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Denny Springle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

CO> Can we get this guy outta here? What the hell is he smoking? What's
CO>next, pipeline access to the internet? No way, I've already played with
CO>internet for the commodore 64&128 you're not going to achieve 28.8.
CO> We can use the internet however via LYNX web-browsing. Your commodore
CO>will have to be in 80 column ANSI terminal to use it. This can be done
CO>with a program called NOVATERM 9.3 or 9.5. and your prices are way too
CO>low!

It is true, the Commodore 64 is incapable of true 28.8, however there is
a way... there is always a way... simply because you did not find the
way doesn't mean it is not possible. And I am not talking about
"playing" with the internet here, I am talking about the real deal,
friend. I am, as well, not speaking of "using" the internet to go
site-seeing on the web either, I'm talking about a fully functional BBS
capable of TCP/IP packeting. And if you did your homework, you'd know
that as long as your machine, be it a Commodore or PC or Atari or Texas
Intruments, can emulate and decifer TCP/IP then it can utilize (with
additional programming) telnet, FTP, Rlogin, or whatever utilities
utilize the TCP/IP protocols. But, what am I telling you for? You've
played with the internet...

Oh, and thank you for repeating to me the same thing I asked (nicely I
might add) not to have to hear from everyone. Must everyone argue? I
came to this list for a number of reasons... as I have come here before
in the past... everytime it is the same story... everyone thinks that
it's all been done on the Commodore... that aside from CommNet, a
rag-tag network of odd-ball BBS systems there can be no other way to
communicate or keep up with changing technology. Did you know, friend,
that they are considering moving back down to 4 bit microprocessors and
8 bit microprocessors for internet "stations" because they are faster
and better at handling TCP/IP than the 16 and 32 bit microprocessors?
Did you know that? The Commodore is unique in that it has not merely one
programmable device inside it's pretty little box, but several.
Including the CIA's which can be fooled with rather old routines now
into running at speeds up to 4800 bps through the serial port, or up to
9600 bps through the user port, so what seems to be the difficulty in
getting that up to 28.8? Let's simplify this even a little more... how
about we add in an easily obtainable piece of hardware in series with
these routines? Hmmm? Throw in a buffer to catch the overflow and et
voila! Haha... but you knew that...

   Of course, perhaps if you folks shut your fingers off for a second
and opened your mind to the possibilities of what I am talking about
here, you would understand. But you'd much rather pass judgementsa
against me based only on a single message to which included absolutely
no technical information whatsoever?

   Forget it... I'm not even going to bother with you wastes any
longer... You want to talk to me about my ideas, you e-mail me,
otherwise just hang on to your beliefs and I'll simply blow them away
when the finished product hits the table ok? Until then, enjoy your
decomposition.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:25:24 EDT
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Denny Springle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

CO>>  Can we get this guy outta here? What the hell is he smoking? What's
CO>> next, pipeline access to the internet? No way, I've already played with
CO>> internet for the commodore 64&128 you're not going to achieve 28.8.

CO>   Hmm, where do we get these people.. hehe

CO>   Apparently, your not using the right hardware/software combination.
CO>Are you using ACEterm with an REU and a Swiftlink?  I can achieve 28.8
CO>quite nicely thank you.  I beleive Craig Bruce is doing 115.2K baud with
CO>his combination.  Given the right software/hardware combination 28.8 is a
CO>simple connection for the 64 or 128.

CO>>  We can use the internet however via LYNX web-browsing. Your commodore
CO>> will have to be in 80 column ANSI terminal to use it. This can be done
CO>> with a program called NOVATERM 9.3 or 9.5. and your prices are way too
CO>> low!

CO>   Try ACEterm, you'll be amazed.  Almost forgot, you need a shell
CO>account. :)



Thank you... whoever you are... at least somebody knows what I am
talking about!
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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:50:37 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Ben Hanson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Thought you should see this

SCSI controllers come built in to all Macs since the SE, at least.

Ben

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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:49:19 -0600
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject:      Re: Here's some food for thought:
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Denny Springle wrote:

> Ouch! But what a way to go eh?
>

        And a heck of a head rush too........better than drugs!

Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10
Internet address: [e-mail]
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:06:12 -0600
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Michael Bendure wrote:

>    Well considering that C-Net 64, C-Net 128 and Image were the most
> popular, sold more copies and has the largest support groups of any other
> Commodore 64 or 128 BBS systems, I wouldn't call that rag-tag.  Also
> considering that CommNet is more than just a bunch of hacked mods
> connecting a BBS systems.  Its an actual reallife attempt to create a
> standard between different BBS platforms run on the Commodore 64 and 128
> BBS's.  We all use the same connection and packet structure based on the
> Hub/Node or Server/Client type setup.

        And as a further aside to this; CommNet may yet truely become
international (other than just Canada and the US), as there are a couple
of programmers who are working on a system for CommNet to be beamed around
the world, at almost no cost to the sysop (other than the extra file paket
sizes from heaven only knows how many more boards that may join up).


Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10
Internet address: [e-mail]
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:18:43 -0600
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Denny,
        You are so far behind that you do not know what you are talking
about.  Right now!!!!!!!there is a program called The Wave (out in demo
right now) that can access the net via ICP and view all the fancy images
on the Internet.  However, most of us who use the Commodore 64/128 are
there for one purpose.............TEXT.........  We are trying to keep the
*old* machines alive.

        The Wave operates under the GEOS OS and from what I hear, it is
good.  I fully expect you will be hearing from Rod Gasson about this
little triade of your.

Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92
Internet address: [e-mail]
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:45:54 -0400
Reply-To:     Gaelyne Moranec <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Gaelyne Moranec <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment
X-cc:         Maurice Randall <[e-mail]>,
              Rod Gasson <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.A32.3.92.960621111510.14094D-100000
              @srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Tom A. Gislason wrote:

Tom, I'm sorry but I have to correct you on a few things here even
though I sympathise with your frustration at having our computers
insulted.

> Denny,
>         You are so far behind that you do not know what you are talking
> about.  Right now!!!!!!!there is a program called The Wave (out in demo
> right now) that can access the net via ICP and view all the fancy images
> on the Internet.

1) The Wave so far uses normal connects to ISP's - nothing fancy.
2) The Demo version of the Wave does not view graphics.

> However, most of us who use the Commodore 64/128 are
> there for one purpose.............TEXT.........  We are trying to keep the
> *old* machines alive.

No argument there.

>         The Wave operates under the GEOS OS and from what I hear, it is
> good.

It is.  For GEOS to acheive high speed BPS, it's excellent, but the demo
is basically a limited term program.  That's not an insult to the
program or programmer, as we all have high expectations for the full
commercial version.

> I fully expect you will be hearing from Rod Gasson about this
> little triade of your.

Doubtful.  Rod Gasson doesn't receive this mail list. If something
interesting comes up, I send him a forward of the mail.

The author of The Wave is Maurice Randall (Arca93.delphi.com).

Second, Rod Gasson has nothing to do with The Wave.  He is my defacto
husband, and is the author of QWKRR128, an offline mail reader for QWK
format mail.  He is also the author of a 128 program called "Browser"
which is *NOT* an Internet utility. It's a program that allows you to
browse disk directories and read/view/print a variety of different
formats including Fidonet PKT, QWK packets, ASCII, ANSI, Petscii, and
BASIC (with tokens colourised).

Rod did see some of the argument exchanged and his only comment was that
it is an old argument seen many times.  (With a frown behind it).

I'd expand on that comment, in that there will always be those who will
buy low when it comes to Commodore equipment and try to make a profit on
it.  I think his prices are low, but that's his business.

However. I DO object (strongly) to the way Commodore users have been
insulted and the condescending attitude shown to other posters.  There
are a lot of "newer" Commodore Internet users on this mailing list and
while I'm sure many will have to deal with the attitudes of others, they
should not be put down for their choice of computer or access to the
Internet.  ESPECIALLY in a mailing list set up for Commodore *support*.

Personally, with the negative remarks made in public about Commodore
computers AND *especially* Commodore USERS as a whole, I'd think twice
about purchasing any product from a company that holds such a low
regard for their customers. This is not a flame.  It is opinion only.

Gaelyne


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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:23:40 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Doug Cotton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Thought you should see this

>SCSI controllers come built in to all Macs since the SE, at least.

Yes they do, but you can buy PCI SCSI controllers for PCI Macs, so that's
what I used to serve as a reference. The point was that the CMD HD isn't
just a drive mech, and comparing it price-wise to such was a bogus
comparison.

Doug Cotton
email: [e-mail]

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Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 22:15:14 -0500
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From:         "<Guliamo> <Cappucci>" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

  Ok, you say or claim to be able to do the 28.8 thing. Problem is, the
fact that that is faster than the processor can handle! Unless you have
that prototype accelerator that CMD has been playing with.
  I Love the Commodore 64 and think that it is a great little machine,
but I just dont see it doing web-browsing better than the LYNX server.
Ever heard of the expression exceeding the envelope? The modifications
required to successfully run 28.8 and possibly graphics for the internet
would cost more than an Amiga 500. Which by the way browses nicely. I am
sorry but it seems like you are trying to put a 454 big block into a VW
bug.... Sure, it's fast as hell for it's kind...for a while, but it
spells disaster. CMD accelerator + C=64 = Fried Motherboard. Sorry, but
please do not expect too much you will be dissapointed.
  I am looking for some other Techs beside myself however who are
willing to work on this CD-ROM concept I have for the 64 & 128. Anyone
interested?
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Date:         Sat, 22 Jun 1996 03:36:23 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Doug Cotton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

"<Guliamo> <Cappucci>" <[e-mail]> recently wrote:

 > Sure, it's fast as hell for it's kind...for a while, but it
 > spells disaster. CMD accelerator + C=64 = Fried Motherboard. Sorry, but
 > please do not expect too much you will be dissapointed.

Without regard to what you were actually replying to, can you clue me in on
what you're saying here? If I'm reading this right, you seem to be implying
that running the new CMD SuperCPU will fry your computer's motherboard...
that certainly isn't in any way true. Can you clear this up for me?


Doug Cotton
email: [e-mail]

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Date:         Sat, 22 Jun 1996 02:59:53 -0700
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Larry Hollis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Shell accounts
In-Reply-To:  <34960620201943/[e-mail]>

>      The problem is that accessing the WWW is MUCH faster through CServe
>      than it is through this ISP.  The ISP is nice because I can do
>      bookmarks, download files, etc (using LYNX) but reaching the same site
>      through CServe takes 1/3rd of the time that my ISP does.
>
>      What gives?  I am using NovaTerm 9.5 with a SwiftLink at 9600.
>
>      What happens on the ISP (for those of you who are familiar with LYNX)
>      is that the bottom of the screen will say "512 bytes of data received"
>      and then I will wait for probably 1.5 to 3 minutes and it will not
>      have changed.  This doesn't happen EVERY time but frequently enough to
>      make it irritating.  Other times it "gets" the data successfully, but
>      much slower than going throug CServe.
>

A little Net anatomy.  When you connect to the Net through an ISP (this
includes AOL, Compuserve, etc) and using Lynx, you are connected through
their, i.e. the ISP's system.  The Lynx software is running on their
machine, you computer is just a "dumb" terminal hangging on their system.

Thus the message of the number of bytes being received, is not what is
coming into your Commie, but what is being reeived by the host, that is
the ISP's computer.  Any delay is between the host you are hangging onto
and the main Lynx server in Lawerence Kansas, if that is the one your ISP
is using.  From there the connection goes out to the site you are looking
at.

Since the Net as a whole is undergoing a major case of gridlock these
days during peak hours, delays are gong to happen as data packets get
held up in one or more "routers" between the host site and your ISP.

The speed of your modem is only good for the connection between your
Commie and your ISP.  From there on it's out of your control.  The T-1 or
I hope T-3 line that your ISP uses is leased, more often than not from
the local telco (phone company).  So how fast this line is depends on how
many ISPs in your area are conected to it.  Also the quality of the line
itself matters, not all lines are equal.

My service provider (Access Nevada) has three T-3 lines leased from three
different companies.  They have one computer that watches these lines and
switches between the ones with the lowest traffic and best transmission
quality.

Also depending on how large your ISP is, that is how may incoming lines
they have (dial up, and PPP), and the age and quailty of their equipment
vs. how many users are on line at one time can make a difference.  When
my ISP lines are 80% active (60 out of 90 lines) things begin to slow
down, as the ISP's six workstations are now doing more work.

Yes I said six Sun V workstations.  One handles the incoming dial up
lines, another is the local BBS, the third is the Internet gateway, the
fouth takes care of telnet requests from the Net, the fifth handles our
Web pages, and the sixth is the Admin part of the system.  Other desk top
units take care of various minor activities.

If your ISP is running everything through one machine and has only a hand
full of lines, things can bog down real quick.

If you can, try to access the system in non-peak hours.  It's 02:55 am as
I types this and a check of people loged on here at Access Nevads shows
28 people on line.  In another two hour that number will be cut to half.
Best times to call in are Weekdays between 4:00 and 7:00 am and Weekends
between 5:00 and 9:00 am.  Most people are sleeping during these hours
with the exception of us Netheads.

Larry

r8-{)}}}

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Date:         Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:05:11 -0700
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Larry Hollis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using the C128 Z80? -Reply
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Hi Steve,

Well I did know the TRS-80 was built around the Z80, but did not know it
was a Z80A or that there would be any difference in two.  This intrests
me on an acadenic level.  Back in the early '80s I took a couple of
intense classes in 6502 architecture & applications given by a Dr.
Luxembourg of USC at Fresno, CA.  I was in the Navy at the time stationed
and the Naval Weapons Center at China Lake, CA and the classes were part
of a larger in house training program in digital electronics.  Dr. Lux
also during the course of these classes turned me on to the joys of
programming in FORTH, which I still do.

When I got my C=128 (which replaced a C-=64, which replaced a PET 2001,
which replaced a KIM-1) I gave some thought about getting deeper into the
Z80 as at the time I was well versed on CP/M as the Projects Dept. of Air
Test & Evlauation Squadron (where I worked) had several Osburone OM-1s to
record test data on while out on one of the ranges.  These were Z80
machines.  I still have some software from this time, and it runs on my
C=128 in CP/M mode.

So your comment led me to dig out my copy of the Commodore 128
Programmer's Reference Guide and check the schematics.  Sure enough, it
shows U10 to be a Z80A.  I think what you need here is just to get the
1571 to read the TRS-80 disk format, or find a TRS-80 (I know that's
harder than finding a PET 2001) and set up a null modem between the two
and pass the TRS-80 software over to the C=128.  So the only "emulation"
would be in getting the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disks, and I thought that
these were in the IBM MFM format.  Though you might have to work out the
number of tracks/sectors used by the TRS-80.

Larry

P.S.  Keep in touch, as this is an interesting project.

r8-{)}}}

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Date:         Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:45:10 -0400
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Michael Bendure <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

>   Ok, you say or claim to be able to do the 28.8 thing. Problem is, the
> fact that that is faster than the processor can handle!

So what is your assumption on the limit that the processor can handle?
According to Craig Bruce, you can actually handle around 1 Meg a sec.
Considering he is doing 115.2kbps with his modified Swiftlink that would
blow up his computer by your standards.  Funny thing is, his is still
working like a champ, no smoke yet.. hehe  I find it funny that you people
keep relating our processor speed with the transmission speeds.  When will
they ever learn.. :)

> Unless you have that prototype accelerator that CMD has been playing
with.

Nope, no accelerator.  Just a standard 64 or 128, a 512k 1750 REU, a
Swiftlink and a Boca 28.8kbps Modem, Craig Bruce's ACEterm program and a
shell account to the Internet.

>   I Love the Commodore 64 and think that it is a great little machine,
> but I just dont see it doing web-browsing better than the LYNX server.

You mean you want to slow your computer down even more, by displying the
fancy graphics?

> Ever heard of the expression exceeding the envelope? The modifications
> required to successfully run 28.8 and possibly graphics for the internet
> would cost more than an Amiga 500.

Don't think so.  The Swiftlink is only $39.95.  Are Amiga 500's cheaper
than that now?

> Which by the way browses nicely.

So does my 64.. hehe

> I am sorry but it seems like you are trying to put a 454 big block into
a VW
> bug.... Sure, it's fast as hell for it's kind...for a while, but it
> spells disaster.

This is where your sadly mistaken.  Since the 64's release we have put up
with statements like that from not only PC users, but from Commodore
themselves.  I can remember when Commodore stated the 64 couldn't go
faster than 2400 baud.  Well, we've been doing that for what 10 or 11
years now with no hardware modification at all.  Nah, it can't do 2400.
Your statement about 28.8 is the same deal.  With Swiftlink and a good
terminal program we can indeed do 28.8kbps with no problems.  You need to
download ACE 15 and setup the hardware/software configuration I explained
above, then tell me it can't be done.  Before then, your simply
speculating about something you have no clue on.

> CMD accelerator + C=64 = Fried Motherboard. Sorry, but
> please do not expect too much you will be dissapointed.

Again, your speculating upon complete ignorance.

>   I am looking for some other Techs beside myself however who are
> willing to work on this CD-ROM concept I have for the 64 & 128. Anyone
> interested?

Hmm, you mean like CD-Commander for the 128?
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Date:         Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:33:38 -0600
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject:      Re: Using the C128 Z80? -Reply
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Larry Hollis wrote:

> So your comment led me to dig out my copy of the Commodore 128
> Programmer's Reference Guide and check the schematics.  Sure enough, it
> shows U10 to be a Z80A.  I think what you need here is just to get the
> 1571 to read the TRS-80 disk format, or find a TRS-80 (I know that's
> harder than finding a PET 2001) and set up a null modem between the two
> and pass the TRS-80 software over to the C=128.  So the only "emulation"
> would be in getting the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disks, and I thought that
> these were in the IBM MFM format.  Though you might have to work out the
> number of tracks/sectors used by the TRS-80.
>
> Larry
>
> P.S.  Keep in touch, as this is an interesting project.
>
> r8-{)}}}
>
> [e-mail]
>
        Okay, there is an upgrade to CP/M v3.0 that allows you to read
quite a few different types of MFM disks.  Right off the top of my head, I
can't think of the program, but I will go looking thru my CP/M programs
and see if I can find it.  If I remember correctly, the program can be
d/l"ed from Oakland......once again, I'm not sure, but i do know that
there will probably be another reply to this by someone who has CP/M
running next to them.

Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10
Internet address: [e-mail]
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
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Date:         Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:38:10 -0600
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Michael Bendure wrote:

> >   I am looking for some other Techs beside myself however who are
> > willing to work on this CD-ROM concept I have for the 64 & 128. Anyone
> > interested?
>
> Hmm, you mean like CD-Commander for the 128?
>
        Ok Michael, tell me more about the CD-Commander.  I haven't heard
about this one yet.  I would be quite interested in it.  Where can I get
more information?

Tom

Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10
Internet address: [e-mail]
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
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Date:         Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:40:03 -0700
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From:         Michael Weathers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using the C128 Z80? -Reply
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Tom A. Gislason wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Larry Hollis wrote:
>
> > So your comment led me to dig out my copy of the Commodore 128
> > Programmer's Reference Guide and check the schematics.  Sure enough, it
> > shows U10 to be a Z80A.  I think what you need here is just to get the
> > 1571 to read the TRS-80 disk format, or find a TRS-80 (I know that's
> > harder than finding a PET 2001) and set up a null modem between the two
> > and pass the TRS-80 software over to the C=128.  So the only "emulation"
> > would be in getting the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disks, and I thought that
> > these were in the IBM MFM format.  Though you might have to work out the
> > number of tracks/sectors used by the TRS-80.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > P.S.  Keep in touch, as this is an interesting project.
> >
> > r8-{)}}}
> >
> > [e-mail]
> >
>         Okay, there is an upgrade to CP/M v3.0 that allows you to read
> quite a few different types of MFM disks.  Right off the top of my head, I
> can't think of the program, but I will go looking thru my CP/M programs
> and see if I can find it.  If I remember correctly, the program can be
> d/l"ed from Oakland......once again, I'm not sure, but i do know that
> there will probably be another reply to this by someone who has CP/M
> running next to them.
hi there iam user of cp/m 3.0 also the newer zcpm3.0 there is a prg that
i use when iam using different formats its called unidrive.com that will
give you ability read different format types check it out.
>
> Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
> Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10
> Internet address: [e-mail]
> FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
>
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:23:02 -0500
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From:         Robert Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

IN>On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Michael Bendure wrote:

IN>>    Well considering that C-Net 64, C-Net 128 and Image were the most
IN>> popular, sold more copies and has the largest support groups of any other
IN>> Commodore 64 or 128 BBS systems, I wouldn't call that rag-tag.  Also
IN>> considering that CommNet is more than just a bunch of hacked mods
IN>> connecting a BBS systems.  Its an actual reallife attempt to create a
IN>> standard between different BBS platforms run on the Commodore 64 and 128
IN>> BBS's.  We all use the same connection and packet structure based on the
IN>> Hub/Node or Server/Client type setup.

IN>        And as a further aside to this; CommNet may yet truely become
IN>international (other than just Canada and the US), as there are a couple
IN>of programmers who are working on a system for CommNet to be beamed around
IN>the world, at almost no cost to the sysop (other than the extra file paket
IN>sizes from heaven only knows how many more boards that may join up).

   Well, first I should apologise for reffering to it as rag-tag. I am
sure that it has taken many man hours to complete such a system.
However, what I am talking about is having a Commodore 64/128 hooked
directly into a 28.8 INET access line (either direct feed or SLIP) with
the software (i.e. TCP/IP BBS) to make networking between Commodore C/G
BBS systems quick and painless via the Internet itself... a network
within a network like so many other networks which utilize the
"Internet" as a carrier. In addition to networking within the realm of
the software, I would like to include the ability to network with other
Commodore and non-Commodore BBS systems. Naturally, we are fighting
against the grain here however at the present moment.

   We are designing our system to include every possible feature we can
possibly pack into it. It is not our intention to deuplicate any BBS
that has ever been designed for the Commodore before. It's always the
same old routine anyways, it's just how you use it that makes the
difference! I am not here to compete with anyone either, when the system
goes public it will go public into shareware, even though it is meant to
blow the pants off everything in current concept that we are aware of.
We figure... why dabble with the technolgy... take it to the extreme and
push the limits... that's what Commodore used to be all about 10 years
ago when I first started to program... small code, neat routines, and as
much speed as you can scream out of it while still getting all the
features you want... But those days are gone... the days of sitting
around with a number of fellow programmers and users and coding just to
code are gone for me... I've been to user groups almost everywhere I
have lived that there is one close by... they all seem the same... a
great game exchange and BBS metting place, but otherwise limited in any
kind of serious coding tasks. I've been jaded by the Commodore world...
I've watched it virtually disappear from before my eyes... I can't tell
you how many "magazines" I've subscribed to in the past few years that
never made it through thier first few publications, if any, before
taking the money and running... and the one thing that Commodore users
need in todays world... TCP/IP access like the rest of the world, is our
generations and your generations coding challenge... It's already been
done even! Now we need to utilize this information and design a system
that will hold up under the changing world... CommNet actually sounds
cool and it truly pleases me to see it... I notice no one mentioned
anything (up to this post anyway) about DMBBS, or Colors, or C*Base
networking support on CommNet? I would not be surprised... I hung with
the Maryland crowd for quite some time... I made mention of
Inter-networking to several people back then... but they all wanted to
reap the frofits and attention their own networks would bring... so
despite my attitude problem here lately, I'm really glad to know it was
accomplished at least as far as it has been... I would, of course, like
to learn more about it from a technical point of view... if I am going
to be designing a network anyway, why not make it compatible with the
current configuration... don't fix it if it ain't broke (the second
thing I learned in programming... the first was 'nothing' is impossible
<eg>)...

Denny S.
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:28:02 -0500
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From:         Robert Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

IN>Denny,
IN>        You are so far behind that you do not know what you are talking
IN>about.  Right now!!!!!!!there is a program called The Wave (out in demo
IN>right now) that can access the net via ICP and view all the fancy images
IN>on the Internet.  However, most of us who use the Commodore 64/128 are
IN>there for one purpose.............TEXT.........  We are trying to keep the
IN>*old* machines alive.

IN>        The Wave operates under the GEOS OS and from what I hear, it is
IN>good.  I fully expect you will be hearing from Rod Gasson about this
IN>little triade of your.

IN>Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
IN>Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92
IN>Internet address: [e-mail]
IN>FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0

Somehow, I just don't think anyone here is getting the point... I don't
care how many people have written how many programs to access the web or
the internet for surfing... I'm talking about server technology here...
not client technlogy (though that's included too!). Show me a BBS that
can be accessed directly from the web through telnet, FTP and e-mail and
runs up to 28.8 bps on a Commodore 64/128 and I'll shut up and go
away... until then... well... you figure it out.

Denny S.
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:38:06 EDT
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From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Shell Accounts

To: [e-mail]

G'day ----

I rec'd an Email reply from Chris M. from this list about Shell
accounts, but I had an email accident and lost it.  If you sent me
Email and you haven't heard back from me please resend it.


There's gotta be a phrase for this phenomenon...

I mean, if it were Fidonet we could say the dog ate our Netmail...  <g>


Cheers,
Gaelyne

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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:40:06 -0500
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From:         Robert Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Thought you should see this

IN>>SCSI controllers come built in to all Macs since the SE, at least.

IN>Yes they do, but you can buy PCI SCSI controllers for PCI Macs, so that's
IN>what I used to serve as a reference. The point was that the CMD HD isn't
IN>just a drive mech, and comparing it price-wise to such was a bogus
IN>comparison.

Doug,
   You are correct, my comparing the CMD HD to a drive mech alone is a
bogus comparison. However, not knowing exactly the technology you are
using (I've never had the opportuniyt to rip one of your drive apart yet
<eg>), as far as a controller card, I was assuming a low-end deal... I
mean, an 8-bit SCSI board can be purchased for about $40 for a nice
one... I've seen them cheaper in Computer Shopper for example... Then of
course, I suppose figuring in the additional cost of designing a circuit
board specific to your applications would create an additional cost... a
parralell to serial (vice versa) circuit is obviously in play as well if
you have a secondary SCSI port as well... But all in all it is still
cheaper for a PC system... exclude the case and power supply and gadgets
and goodies... I am, as usual, wrong in my presentation of the facts...

Denny S.
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 01:07:12 -0500
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Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

IN>  Ok, you say or claim to be able to do the 28.8 thing. Problem is, the
IN>fact that that is faster than the processor can handle! Unless you have
IN>that prototype accelerator that CMD has been playing with.
IN>  I Love the Commodore 64 and think that it is a great little machine,
IN>but I just dont see it doing web-browsing better than the LYNX server.
IN>Ever heard of the expression exceeding the envelope? The modifications
IN>required to successfully run 28.8 and possibly graphics for the internet
IN>would cost more than an Amiga 500. Which by the way browses nicely. I am
IN>sorry but it seems like you are trying to put a 454 big block into a VW
IN>bug.... Sure, it's fast as hell for it's kind...for a while, but it
IN>spells disaster. CMD accelerator + C=64 = Fried Motherboard. Sorry, but
IN>please do not expect too much you will be dissapointed.
IN>  I am looking for some other Techs beside myself however who are
IN>willing to work on this CD-ROM concept I have for the 64 & 128. Anyone
IN>interested

Yes, I claim to be able to have a BBS that will connect to a 28.8 feed
from the internet. As far as the processor... that what they made the
buffers for my friend <eg>.
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:32:21 -0400
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From:         STEVE MELLO <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Need help with C128 composite cable...

Hello,

I asked this question before, but I don't think I asked it
correctly, so here it goes again..... :)

I have a C128 with a color monitor by a company called BMC.  On
the back it has two connections for the RCA type jacks, Audio and
Video.  I have a cable the connects to the DIN plug on the back
of the 128, but the pins are not connected properly.

I know which pins on the C128 do what, but I don't know which
pins connect to which RCA plug on the other end.  I am assuming
that each RCA jack has two wires coming from it, is this correct?
One for the center pin, and one for the outer ring? I know that
the 128 only uses four of these DIN pins for video/audio output.
What I need to know is which wires from the RCA jack connect to
which DIN pin on the back of the 128? Do the video and sync/lum
connect on the two video RCA jack wires (if so, which one in or
outer connects to which one on the other end)? Does the audio and
ground connect for the other?

I hope this hasn't been too confusing.  I know what I am thinking
in my mind, but it's hard to get it to words.

Thanks,

Steve
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:46:23 -0400
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From:         Michael Bendure <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

>         Ok Michael, tell me more about the CD-Commander.  I haven't
heard
> about this one yet.  I would be quite interested in it.  Where can I get
> more information?

   To tell you the truth, I haven't heard much about it either.  I saw the
write up in Commodore World about it, but that was it.  Some folks in the
IRC channel #c-64 was also talking about it once.  I never did get any
real details on it other than its suppose to hook to a CMD HD and allow
access to CD-ROM drives..
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:04:38 -0400
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From:         Michael Bendure <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

>    Well, first I should apologise for reffering to it as rag-tag. I am
> sure that it has taken many man hours to complete such a system.

   Try more like many years.  DS2 Network, from which CommNet took the
packet structure and connection procedure, itself took 4 years to develop
the way it is today and even now we are continuing to develop it beyond
what it was meant to do.  The whole CommNet idea began with the fourth
release of DS2 Network when I began to contact other BBS sysops with the
idea.  I got ahold of the authors of the current releases of C-Net 128,
C-Net Amiga, Image, Omni 128, Color 64, C*Base 64, DMBBS, Color V128 and
Supra 128.  No one was interested or had the time to devote to such a
project.  Three years and a 1000 phone calls later, I finally found Image
and C-Net 128 Sysops who were interested and we made it work.  I also
worked with Eric Hodges, who was doing DMBBS's network, Fred Ogle of Color
64 and Jerome Yoner of C*Base to include them in CommNet.  Eric dropped
out of DMBBS, Fred Ogle dropped Color 64 and Jerome Yoner sold C*Base 64
to someone else.  Brian Bell from Omni won't even answer my feedback or
Netmail on the subject.

   So until I find programmers on each of these platforms, interested in
the CommNet idea, I can't very well include them and I simply don't have
the time to learn the details of each BBS program out there to do all the
work myself.  C*Base 64 is suppose to already have all the mods for
CommNet, as Jerome did write it before he sold it to someone else.  Color
V128 also has most of the conversions done before they backed out of
CommNet for some reason.

> However, what I am talking about is having a Commodore 64/128 hooked
> directly into a 28.8 INET access line (either direct feed or SLIP) with
> the software (i.e. TCP/IP BBS) to make networking between Commodore C/G
> BBS systems quick and painless via the Internet itself... a network
> within a network like so many other networks which utilize the
> "Internet" as a carrier. In addition to networking within the realm of
> the software, I would like to include the ability to network with other
> Commodore and non-Commodore BBS systems. Naturally, we are fighting
> against the grain here however at the present moment.

   Your idea does indeed sound promising, but without a Super64 CPU, you
may end up with a dog of a system.  This is not a flame, just reality.  I
guess you could do something similar to what Craig Bruce did with ACEterm,
using the REU.  This may work half way decent.  I won't make the same
mistake you did though and judge your software before I see it.

Good luck and take care.
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:51:32 -0500
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From:         Doug Cotton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

>>         Ok Michael, tell me more about the CD-Commander.  I haven't
>heard
>> about this one yet.  I would be quite interested in it.  Where can I get
>> more information?
>
>   To tell you the truth, I haven't heard much about it either.  I saw the
>write up in Commodore World about it, but that was it.  Some folks in the
>IRC channel #c-64 was also talking about it once.  I never did get any
>real details on it other than its suppose to hook to a CMD HD and allow
>access to CD-ROM drives..

Consider it as Big Blue Reader for CD-ROM's, and you'll have a fairly
accurate picture of what it's all about.

Doug Cotton
email: [e-mail]

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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:26:00 EST
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From:         Christopher McLeod
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      CD-ROM

     "Consider it as Big Blue Reader for CD-ROM's, and you'll have a fairly
     accurate picture of what it's all about."

     Does this mean that it only reads ASCII?

     Chris McLeod
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:18:26 EDT
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From:         Denny Springle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

CO>>    Well, first I should apologise for reffering to it as rag-tag. I am
CO>> sure that it has taken many man hours to complete such a system.

CO>   Try more like many years.  DS2 Network, from which CommNet took the
CO>packet structure and connection procedure, itself took 4 years to develop
CO>the way it is today and even now we are continuing to develop it beyond
CO>what it was meant to do.  The whole CommNet idea began with the fourth
CO>release of DS2 Network when I began to contact other BBS sysops with the
CO>idea.  I got ahold of the authors of the current releases of C-Net 128,
CO>C-Net Amiga, Image, Omni 128, Color 64, C*Base 64, DMBBS, Color V128 and
CO>Supra 128.  No one was interested or had the time to devote to such a
CO>project.  Three years and a 1000 phone calls later, I finally found Image
CO>and C-Net 128 Sysops who were interested and we made it work.  I also
CO>worked with Eric Hodges, who was doing DMBBS's network, Fred Ogle of Color
CO>64 and Jerome Yoner of C*Base to include them in CommNet.  Eric dropped
CO>out of DMBBS, Fred Ogle dropped Color 64 and Jerome Yoner sold C*Base 64
CO>to someone else.  Brian Bell from Omni won't even answer my feedback or
CO>Netmail on the subject.

CO>   So until I find programmers on each of these platforms, interested in
CO>the CommNet idea, I can't very well include them and I simply don't have
CO>the time to learn the details of each BBS program out there to do all the
CO>work myself.  C*Base 64 is suppose to already have all the mods for
CO>CommNet, as Jerome did write it before he sold it to someone else.  Color
CO>V128 also has most of the conversions done before they backed out of
CO>CommNet for some reason.

CO>> However, what I am talking about is having a Commodore 64/128 hooked
CO>> directly into a 28.8 INET access line (either direct feed or SLIP) with
CO>> the software (i.e. TCP/IP BBS) to make networking between Commodore C/G
CO>> BBS systems quick and painless via the Internet itself... a network
CO>> within a network like so many other networks which utilize the
CO>> "Internet" as a carrier. In addition to networking within the realm of
CO>> the software, I would like to include the ability to network with other
CO>> Commodore and non-Commodore BBS systems. Naturally, we are fighting
CO>> against the grain here however at the present moment.

CO>   Your idea does indeed sound promising, but without a Super64 CPU, you
CO>may end up with a dog of a system.  This is not a flame, just reality.  I
CO>guess you could do something similar to what Craig Bruce did with ACEterm,
CO>using the REU.  This may work half way decent.  I won't make the same
CO>mistake you did though and judge your software before I see it.

CO>Good luck and take care.

I found the same problem you encountered years ago myself many times in
many things to do with the Commodore community. Gunther, when he owned
C*Base wouldn't even consider half of the suggestions made to him by
SysOps running his software... Fred's a cool guy... but he had his own
priorities, and internetworking was never one of them... Depeche Mode
would likely have gotten into it, unfortunately he sold DMBBS to
someone who released version 5 as version 6 with his own name on it...
Not much to speak of there for interest in anything but the money DMBBS
would generate as it was. So, I know the feeling... I myself have been
working on this particular system ALL by myself until recently when I
have found a few programmers (mostly out of the US) who have as much
interest in the development of the system... I've already got three
years into the programming of this system and it's not even close to
being done yet!

As for utilizing the Super64 cpu, in reality I know there is no real
need for this for the system, though it's use would I'm sure make the
system more efficient. But this itself remains to be seen... I am not
excluding anything so far as being utilizable by the system, with
perhaps the exception of BBB's which have limited abilities in light of
other REU's, but I may yet even find a useful way to use them too :)
What's more... the true excitement of the system will be it's open
architechture... designing MODS for the system will be cake to an
experienced programmer, and availability of many different system
configurations allows the system to be as compatible as possible with
all systems. Besides that, the system is being designed with minimum
requirements: 2mb REU/RAMLink (4mb reccomended), SwiftLink w up to 28.8
modem (better than 9600 for inet apps anyway), and a minimum of 40mb of
hard-drive space available (though it could technically be run in less
than 10mb I'm sure by completetion). As for the speed of the system,
we're keeping the modules small and fast and powerful and pretty (not an
easy thing to do!) so that execution will be smooth and productive. I'm
positive that use of any accelerator or speed-enhancement
(loading/saving i.e. JiffyDOS) hardware would only make the system
better, however I will try to keep this from being a requirement.
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:05:18 PST
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From:         Wayne V Lorentz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using the C128 Z80? -Reply

On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:05:11 -0700 Larry Hollis <[e-mail]> writes:
>Hi Steve,
>
>Well I did know the TRS-80 was built around the Z80, but did not know
>it
>was a Z80A or that there would be any difference in two.  This
>intrests
>me on an acadenic level.  Back in the early '80s I took a couple of
>intense classes in 6502 architecture & applications given by a Dr.
>Luxembourg of USC at Fresno, CA.  I was in the Navy at the time
>stationed
>and the Naval Weapons Center at China Lake, CA and the classes were
>part
>of a larger in house training program in digital electronics.  Dr. Lux
>also during the course of these classes turned me on to the joys of
>programming in FORTH, which I still do.
>
>When I got my C=128 (which replaced a C-=64, which replaced a PET
>2001,
>which replaced a KIM-1) I gave some thought about getting deeper into
>the
>Z80 as at the time I was well versed on CP/M as the Projects Dept. of
>Air
>Test & Evlauation Squadron (where I worked) had several Osburone OM-1s
>to
>record test data on while out on one of the ranges.  These were Z80
>machines.  I still have some software from this time, and it runs on
>my
>C=128 in CP/M mode.
>
>So your comment led me to dig out my copy of the Commodore 128
>Programmer's Reference Guide and check the schematics.  Sure enough,
>it
>shows U10 to be a Z80A.  I think what you need here is just to get the
>1571 to read the TRS-80 disk format, or find a TRS-80 (I know that's
>harder than finding a PET 2001) and set up a null modem between the
>two
>and pass the TRS-80 software over to the C=128.  So the only
>"emulation"
>would be in getting the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disks, and I thought
>that
>these were in the IBM MFM format.  Though you might have to work out
>the
>number of tracks/sectors used by the TRS-80.
>
>Larry
>
>P.S.  Keep in touch, as this is an interesting project.
>
>r8-{)}}}
>
>[e-mail]
>

   Actually, you may be able to get your bands on a TRS-80.  In the
classified adds in the last issue of Radio World, there's a guy in Iowa
selling a couple of them for $25/each.
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:27:02 -0700
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From:         Larry Hollis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Need help with C128 composite cable...
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, STEVE MELLO wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I asked this question before, but I don't think I asked it
> correctly, so here it goes again..... :)
>
> I have a C128 with a color monitor by a company called BMC.  On
> the back it has two connections for the RCA type jacks, Audio and
> Video.  I have a cable the connects to the DIN plug on the back
> of the 128, but the pins are not connected properly.
>
> I know which pins on the C128 do what, but I don't know which
> pins connect to which RCA plug on the other end.  I am assuming
> that each RCA jack has two wires coming from it, is this correct?
> One for the center pin, and one for the outer ring? I know that
> the 128 only uses four of these DIN pins for video/audio output.
> What I need to know is which wires from the RCA jack connect to
> which DIN pin on the back of the 128? Do the video and sync/lum
> connect on the two video RCA jack wires (if so, which one in or
> outer connects to which one on the other end)? Does the audio and
> ground connect for the other?
>
> I hope this hasn't been too confusing.  I know what I am thinking
> in my mind, but it's hard to get it to words.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>

RULE #1 -- DON'T MESS WITH THE WIRING UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

(As it is a good way to fry you computer and/or monitor.)

Now to answer your question.  The eight pins on the Composite Video DIN
plug on the C128 are as follows:

        1.  Luminance/Sync output
        2.  Ground
        3.  Audio Out
        4.  Video Out  (Composite signal output)
        5.  Audio In
        6.  Color Out
        7.  No connection
        8.  No connection

Your monitor is a "Composite" type. is is a type of monitor where the
video, sync, and color signals are combined as one.   This is opposed to
an RGBI montor in which the red, green, blue, luminance, and sync signals
are all seperate, i.e. seperate wires.

To make you monitor work.  Connect the outer part of the RCA jack to the
Ground (pin #2) for two jacks.  Then to the center pin of one of the RCA
jacks connect pin 4 (video out), this will be your video into the
monitor.  Using the other jack, connect its center pin to pin #3 of the
DIN plug (Audio out), this then plugs into the Audio of you monitor.  You
don't need to worry about the rest or the DIN pins as they are not used
by your monitor.

If you had a Commodore 1902A monitor, all of these pins would be used,
Pins 1 and 6 provide the 128's 40 column color display, pin 4 is when you
switch to C64 mode.  The audio in (pin 5) is not used.  With your monitor
you will not be able to use the 128's 80-column RGBI out put, this is the
9-pin square D (IBM) plug, as you monitor can not process this type of
signal.

r8-{)}}}

[e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:34:45 -0700
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Larry Hollis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Need help with C128 composite cable...
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

This is a P.S. to my first post on this subject.

Get some colored plastic electrical tape and mark the two cable by
putting a piece of tape around each one just behind the RCA plug.  As an
example use red for the video and blue for the audio.  Then place a small
piece of the appropriate color of tape next the the jack on the monitor.
So the video jack should have a piece of red tape next to it and the
audio jack a piece of blue.  Makes it more idiot proof.  If you should
ever plug the video jack into the audio plug on the monitor you can blow
out the audio circuits because of the difference in power levels, and by
pluging the audio line in the video plug on the monitor can blow out your
SID chip in the C128.  Either is not good.

r8-{)}}}

[e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:08:22 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         "<Guliamo> <Cappucci>" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      .T64 FILES EXTRACTOR ON COMMODORE?

   I am looking for a program on behalf of a 64 BBS operator, It is
supposed to be a new BBS program like FS v4.0 or something like that. He
said it is on the web and located in the U.K.
   Does anybody here know something about it? More importantly the site
address where it is located so that I can download it for him? He would
do it himself, but he is afraid of the net, and afraid to learn it.
   I would greatly appreciate it, thanks.     [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:48:50 -0600
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Robert Johnson wrote:

>    Well, first I should apologise for reffering to it as rag-tag. I am
> sure that it has taken many man hours to complete such a system.

        As you may have noticed, some of us are very protective of our
obsolete computers.  Apology accepted.

> However, what I am talking about is having a Commodore 64/128 hooked
> directly into a 28.8 INET access line (either direct feed or SLIP) with
> the software (i.e. TCP/IP BBS) to make networking between Commodore C/G
> BBS systems quick and painless via the Internet itself... a network
> within a network like so many other networks which utilize the
> "Internet" as a carrier. In addition to networking within the realm of
> the software, I would like to include the ability to network with other
> Commodore and non-Commodore BBS systems. Naturally, we are fighting
> against the grain here however at the present moment.

        I understand what you are trying to say here, and more power to
you.  I know that with the Pearako Network, we are looking into using the
Internet as a way of cutting down on the long distance costs that are
incurred by the sysops.  There are still a few glitches, but sooner or
later, we will have it up and running.

>    We are designing our system to include every possible feature we can
> possibly pack into it.

        One thing to look at would be the inclusion of routines that would
be accepted by the 128 SCPU from CMD.  Running at 20 mhz, would enhance
the system BIG TIME.

> cool and it truly pleases me to see it... I notice no one mentioned
> anything (up to this post anyway) about DMBBS, or Colors, or C*Base
> networking support on CommNet? I would not be surprised... I hung with

        For a short time, Color128 was in the CommNet, but I am not sure
just why they dropped out.  I think it had something to do with the fact
that most of CommNet doesn't have any "official" rules.  Most of the
sysops in CommNet do not believe in having too many rules.

> to learn more about it from a technical point of view... if I am going
> to be designing a network anyway, why not make it compatible with the
> current configuration... don't fix it if it ain't broke (the second
> thing I learned in programming... the first was 'nothing' is impossible
> <eg>)...

        Check with SMS Mike at Diamondback BBS or Mitron at Cygnx (I know
I spelled it wrong Michael....sorry) about the compatability factor.

        Good luck with your endeavors.

Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92
Internet address: [e-mail]
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
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Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:53:35 -0600
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Robert Johnson wrote:

> IN>Denny,
> IN>        You are so far behind that you do not know what you are talking
> IN>about.  Right now!!!!!!!there is a program called The Wave (out in demo
> IN>right now) that can access the net via ICP and view all the fancy images
> IN>on the Internet.  However, most of us who use the Commodore 64/128 are
> IN>there for one purpose.............TEXT.........  We are trying to keep the
> IN>*old* machines alive.
> Somehow, I just don't think anyone here is getting the point... I don't
> care how many people have written how many programs to access the web or
> the internet for surfing... I'm talking about server technology here...
> not client technlogy (though that's included too!). Show me a BBS that
> can be accessed directly from the web through telnet, FTP and e-mail and
> runs up to 28.8 bps on a Commodore 64/128 and I'll shut up and go
> away... until then... well... you figure it out.
>
> Denny S.
> [e-mail]
> Sent Via The Playpen BBS...Washington DC's Premier Online Service
> ..TELNET: PLAYPEN.COM...MODEM: [phone]
>
        Okay, so now it is my turn to appoligize.  I misread your post,
thinking that you were discussing surfing the net rather than running a
server application.

        If I remember correctly (and that is a little hared as one gets
older....at least that is what the kids tell me), there is a C=128 that is
right now acting as a server on the net.  I can't remember what software
he is running, but I do remember seeing something like that posted either
on FidoNet or CommNet.

Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92
Internet address: [e-mail]
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
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Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:07:30 -0600
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject:      Re: .T64 FILES EXTRACTOR ON COMMODORE?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, <[e-mail]> <Cappucci> wrote:

>    I am looking for a program on behalf of a 64 BBS operator, It is
> supposed to be a new BBS program like FS v4.0 or something like that. He
> said it is on the web and located in the U.K.
>    Does anybody here know something about it? More importantly the site
> address where it is located so that I can download it for him? He would
> do it himself, but he is afraid of the net, and afraid to learn it.
>    I would greatly appreciate it, thanks.     [e-mail]
>

        Okay, the program that you are looking for can be had from 221
Baker Street, and soon on Emergency Call BBS as well.

Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS [phone]  [phone]
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10
Internet address: [e-mail]
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
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Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:49:41 -0400
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Bendure <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment

> Gunther, when he owned C*Base wouldn't even consider half of the
> suggestions made to him by SysOps running his software...

   Yeah, Gunther just kinda laughed when I mentioned CommNet to him.  He
simply said it would never work.  Hmm, seems to be working pretty well,
although we still don't have C*base connected because of lack of interest
on their part.

> Fred's a cool guy... but he had his own priorities, and internetworking
was
> never one of them...

   Yeah, I found that out.  Took me a few weeks on GEnie to talk him into
it, then he disappeared.

> Depeche Mode would likely have gotten into it, unfortunately he sold
DMBBS to
> someone who released version 5 as version 6 with his own name on it...

   Eric Hodges was doing their Networking.  Problem was, they wouldn't let
Eric do it the way he wanted.  They had some strange type of call out
procedure which wasn't automated at all.  You actually had to call in and
download the packets from a UD area.  I was trying to help Eric with the
automation part, but these guys wanted it done a specific way that
wouldn't work without serious dupes and other problems.  Eric gave up when
it was sold.

> As for utilizing the Super64 cpu, in reality I know there is no real
> need for this for the system, though it's use would I'm sure make the
> system more efficient. But this itself remains to be seen...

   From what I hear, the Super64 CPU is being shipped as we speak. hehe

> What's more... the true excitement of the system will be it's open
> architechture... designing MODS for the system will be cake to an
> experienced programmer, and availability of many different system
> configurations allows the system to be as compatible as possible with
> all systems.

   What about the not so experienced programmer?

> Besides that, the system is being designed with minimum
> requirements: 2mb REU/RAMLink (4mb reccomended), SwiftLink w up to 28.8
> modem (better than 9600 for inet apps anyway), and a minimum of 40mb of
> hard-drive space available (though it could technically be run in less
> than 10mb I'm sure by completetion).

   There goes a bit part of your user base.  You should make it run with a
minimum system. 64 and maybe a couple of drives.  Then for those who have
the larger systems, add on extra features.  Requiring a minimum of 2 mb
REU and 40 Meg HD space will loose most of your potential customers.

> As for the speed of the system, we're keeping the modules small and
> fast and powerful and pretty (not an easy thing to do!) so that
execution
> will be smooth and productive. I'm positive that use of any accelerator
or
> speed-enhancement (loading/saving i.e. JiffyDOS) hardware would only
> make the system better, however I will try to keep this from being a
requirement.

   You know, the way you describe this system, it sounds like DS2 with
Internet acces.  Our moduals are kept small so they load quickly,
programming DS2 is easy even for the inexperienced programmer, upcoming
v3.0 has the Swiftlink access up to 38.4k baud and it already works with
JiffyDOS and CMD equipment.  It would take alot less work to simply mod
DS2 to do what you want to do.  Both the ml and BASIC moduals can easily
be swapped in and out of memory.  Ml moduals could be written to take care
of the TCP/IP stuff and the small BASIC moduals to do certain functions
within the program, but I digress.

   Again, good luck with your program and I hope it does all you want it
too.
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Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:10:00 EST
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Christopher McLeod
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      CommNet

     Sorry for being so ignorant on the subject, but I am very excieted to
     hear about a C= network!  :->

     But, from what I have gathered so far, we are talking about a
     "network" of BBSs.  In other words, the only ones that are really
     involved with it now are the SysOps of those BBSs.

     Am I also hearing (reading) that a special softare for its use (by
     users, not sysops) is or will be necessary?

     If none of the above is true, how can I connect?  I have an ISP
     (Concentric) which gives me access to many different BBSs.  Can I
     access ComNet thru the net or thru Concentric (as a BBS)?

     Thank you so much for putting up with my ignorance.  I have learned SO
     INCREDIBLY MUCH about computers over the 12 years I have been using my
     C64.

     Honestly, I know MUCH more about computers (i.e. PCs), than most
     people in any company I have worked for.  Little do they know that my
     conceptual (and some practical) knowledge comes from a C64!!  :-)

     AND I've spent only approximately $400 for that knowledge over the
     past 12 years!  :-@  :-)

     As you can tell I am still (and will be in the future) excited about
     C=!

     Chris McLeod
     [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:29:00 EST
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Christopher McLeod
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Again? CommNet.....

     Hmmmmmmm...... the server told me that this message (below) (which I
     JUST sent) had already been sent before.  Maybe this message somehow
     echo-ed around in its memory so it THOUGHT I sent it twice, when
     actually, I only sent it once.

     ANYWAYS, if this is INDEED the second time you have received it, please
     disregard.

     Thanks!

     Chris

     ----------------------------------------------------------------------

     Sorry for being so ignorant on the subject, but I am very excieted to
     hear about a C= network!  :->

     But, from what I have gathered so far, we are talking about a
     "network" of BBSs.  In other words, the only ones that are really
     involved with it now are the SysOps of those BBSs.

     Am I also hearing (reading) that a special softare for its use (by
     users, not sysops) is or will be necessary?

     If none of the above is true, how can I connect?  I have an ISP
     (Concentric) which gives me access to many different BBSs.  Can I
     access ComNet thru the net or thru Concentric (as a BBS)?

     Thank you so much for putting up with my ignorance.  I have learned SO
     INCREDIBLY MUCH about computers over the 12 years I have been using my
     C64.

     Honestly, I know MUCH more about computers (i.e. PCs), than most
     people in any company I have worked for.  Little do they know that my
     conceptual (and some practical) knowledge comes from a C64!!  :-)

     AND I've spent only approximately $400 for that knowledge over the
     past 12 years!  :-@  :-)

     As you can tell I am still (and will be in the future) excited about
     C=!

     Chris McLeod
     [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:49:32 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Senr:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         David Meads <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Need help with C128 composite cable...

CO>Hello,

CO>I asked this question before, but I don't think I asked it
CO>correctly, so here it goes again..... :)

CO>I have a C128 with a color monitor by a company called BMC.  On
CO>the back it has two connections for the RCA type jacks, Audio and
CO>Video.  I have a cable the connects to the DIN plug on the back
CO>of the 128, but the pins are not connected properly.

CO>I know which pins on the C128 do what, but I don't know which
CO>pins connect to which RCA plug on the other end.  I am assuming
CO>that each RCA jack has two wires coming from it, is this correct?
CO>One for the center pin, and one for the outer ring? I know that
CO>the 128 only uses four of these DIN pins for video/audio output.
CO>What I need to know is which wires from the RCA jack connect to
CO>which DIN pin on the back of the 128? Do the video and sync/lum
CO>connect on the two video RCA jack wires (if so, which one in or
CO>outer connects to which one on the other end)? Does the audio and
CO>ground connect for the other?

CO>I hope this hasn't been too confusing.  I know what I am thinking
CO>in my mind, but it's hard to get it to words.

CO>Thanks,

CO>Steve

I have a similar problem...but with the other connection.

I have a Teknika MJ-22 monitor and have a cable from the 9 pin flat RGB
connection on the puter to a round connection on the monitor.  When set
up for 80 col and switched to RGB on the monitor the text is very much
like when you have a TV that needs horizontal hold adjusted badly...only
it won't straighten out completely...it goes to a warped, narrow screen.

Any help with this one?

de Hat                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:46:52 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         "<Guliamo> <Cappucci>" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: .T64 FILES EXTRACTOR ON COMMODORE?

  The program I am looking for is actually called st/r 4.0 or higher,
can anyone assist me in locating the internet address of this program?
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:02:00 EST
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Christopher McLeod
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Descent

     "These guys should try Descent.  A much more productive outlet for
     their energies.
     Erik"

     The above is a comment a friend of mine made after reading about
     CommNet, and about other C= advances.

     Send me some comments to reply to his comment.

     Chris McLeod
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:03:00 EST
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Christopher McLeod
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Dumb questions  :-)

     But I do not know how to get to the comp.sys.cbm (or whatever it is)
     FAQs.

     I have an ISP, NovaTerm 9.5, and 9600 but I do not know how to "FTP"
     (download) files, OR how to use a "newsgroup" or a "usegroup."

     Also, how do I create and then USE bookmarks in LYNX?

     Is NovaTerm the best for browsing with a 64?

     If NT 9.6 is on a cartridge, how does one use a SLink with it?

     Would some kind soul please condescend to educate me?  I know that
     there is a whole HUGE 64 world out there that I have not even begun to
     tap into by only viewing web pages.

     Thanks in advance

     Chris
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:03:00 EST
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Christopher McLeod
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      What is DS2?

     What is "DS2 with internet access"?  It sounds exciting.  Can I use it
     on my stock 64 (w 9600 bps)?

     Chris McLeod
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:39:58 EDT
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From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      dumb Questions  :-)

To: [e-mail]
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G'day Chris,

There's no such thing as a dumb question.  :-)


 CL>     But I do not know how to get to the
 CL> comp.sys.cbm (or whatever it is) FAQs.

 Send Email to:  [e-mail]
 Subject: MAILSERV

In the body of the message, type:

help
catalog

---------------
This will tell you how to get the FAQ files, and a whole lot of other
neat stuff you'd probably be interested.
The catalog is the list of files you can retrieve via Email from Jim
Brain's MAILSERV program.


 CL>     I have an ISP, NovaTerm 9.5, and 9600 but I do not know how to
 CL> "FTP" (download) files,

This one requires more detailed of an answer than I can give at 3:30am,
so I'll suggest (for now) using (since I know you're on Cris.com) the
online help.  Type "ihelp" from the menu and it will start Lynx and
display a list of different help files to check out.  Lots of good info
in there.

 CL> OR how to use a "newsgroup" or a "usegroup."

You don't use these, you read them.  The easiest way to read newsgroups
is by using Lynx (on *some* systems).  From the main menu, press "l"
for list, then move down to the news area (just cursor down).  Select
the menu option to subscribe to a newsgroups and type "comp.sys.cbm"
when prompted for the name of a group.  It will appear as a new folder
in lynx and you can read and reply to them.

You can also use reader utilities online.  One is called "tin" (you
just type it on the command line) and it starts.  "Yank in/Yank out" is
a menu option with tin that lets you pull in all the newsgroups, and
yank them all out.  This is an easy way to read newsgroups without
subscribing to them.


 CL>     Also, how do I create and then USE bookmarks in LYNX?

Just hit the "a" key and it will ask if you want to save the link your
cursor is on or the document you're viewing.  It will save this, and
from that point on, you can hit the "v" key to access it.   You can set
up a bookmark file name in lynx by pressing the "o" key and changing
the options, then save it.  This lets you set up much more and is worth
checking into.

I named my bookmark file "bookmark.html" and if I just want to go
directly to that, I have lynx start with it.

 CL>     Is NovaTerm the best for browsing with a 64?

There's also ACETerm which lets you do the same, but unless you can
compile Unix programs on your ISP (you can't on cris.com), you won't be
able to download files using it. So I guess the answer is "yes".  <g>


 CL>     If NT 9.6 is on a cartridge, how does one use a SLink with it?

There's no uncertaintly that it WILL be on a cartridge.  However, if it
is, you can use a cartridge port expander like CMD's EX3+1.


Cheers,
Gaelyne


Gaelyne R. Moranec    [e-mail]     //\         /\\
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http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne
QWKRR128: http:/people.com/gaelyne/qtoc.html
Speaking for myself and not for any publications or other employers.

___ QWKRR128 V4.51 [R]

---
 * Origin: Gaelyne's QWKRR128 test site (Aust) (3:800/809.0)
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:40:44 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Elizabeth Ferrarini <[e-mail]>
Subject:      None

  REGARDING           None

Are you looking for accurate, inexpensive, and prompt relies to all of your
technical questions, including where to locate spare PC parts?  Then do what I
did.  Turn to a new Web site called the SOS Help Center at www.torch-usa.com.
I was looking for 6, 2-mybtes of memory modules for a Compaq 386/33 PC.
Compaq wanted $1,200, while CompUSA wanted $799.  Within 15 minutes, the SOS
Help Center located a wholesaler near me who would sell the memory for under
$200.  I paid $29 for the information plus the site's small monthly fee.  The
field engineers who operate this site will research any technical question.
They also have an expensive spare parts database of hardware for PCs,
printers, and networking products.
Elizabeth
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:36:19 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Jack Tarvin <[e-mail]>
Organization: Chrysalis * 96 Lines * 214.690.9295 * Telnet: chrysalis.org
Subject:      DUMB QUESTIONS  :-

Gaelyne[ I just printed your response to "Dumb Question" and got a lot of good
information: LYNX, Newsgroups, Bookmarks, etc. and want to thank you (as
usual). Where may I get LYNX? Any suggestions? Thanks. [e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:46:51 -0400
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Gaelyne Moranec <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: dumb Questions  :-)
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 [e-mail] wrote:


I screwed up!!

>  CL>     If NT 9.6 is on a cartridge, how does one use a SLink with it?
>
> There's no uncertaintly that it WILL be on a cartridge.

This should have read:

There's AN uncertaintly that it WILL be on a cartridge.
        ^^
It will probably be released on disk (as a commercial product).

> However, if it is, you can use a cartridge port expander like CMD's
> EX3+1.


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       http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:11:05 -0500
Reply-To:     [e-mail]
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Aaron Baugher <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.A32.3.92.960625085029.60278B-100000
              @srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca> ([e-mail])

   Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:53:35 -0600
   From: "Tom A. Gislason" <[e-mail]>

           If I remember correctly (and that is a little hared as one
   gets older....at least that is what the kids tell me), there is a
   C=128 that is right now acting as a server on the net.  I can't
   remember what software he is running, but I do remember seeing
   something like that posted either on FidoNet or CommNet.

Running a web server is really not that complicated.  httpd is a
pretty simple system: it sits and watches a port, waits for GET
commands, and kicks out the file requested.  The two things you have
to have first though, would be TCP/IP, and a high-bandwidth (at least
28.8) connection.  Also, you'd want your files on a hard drive.  If
someone wants to develop TCP/IP for ACE, I could probably put together
an httpd for it pretty easily, since I work with web servers all the
time.

Aaron
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 Aaron J. Baugher          http://www.bcl.net/~abaugher
 Software Engineer                     [e-mail]
 Basic Communications, Ltd.              _Roark_ on IRC
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:14:06 -0230
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Adam Vardy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Dumb questions :-)
In-Reply-To:  <61960626050316/[e-mail]>

Not dumb questions.  :)


On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Christopher McLeod wrote:

>      But I do not know how to get to the comp.sys.cbm (or whatever it is)
>      FAQs.

Hmm..  Then how did you find out how to get onto this mailing list?  I
found out how to get on it from the FAQ.

>
>      I have an ISP, NovaTerm 9.5, and 9600 but I do not know how to "FTP"
>      (download) files, OR how to use a "newsgroup" or a "usegroup."

Good questions.  I would say that the most efficient way of answering
them would be to ask how your system works.  When I first got onto the
Internet, I thought everyone else used in in the same way.  It turns up
that there seems to be some variety in the way that people are connected
up.

So are you able to type commands?  Can you type FTP?

You're using Pine right now for e-mail, are you?  What does your ISP say
that you are able to do?

What programs have you used so far?

For using the Internet your terminal program should be set for VT100
emulation.

I guess Novaterm is the best term program for the 64.

- Adam
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:07:27 -0400
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Michael Bendure <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: CommNet

>      Sorry for being so ignorant on the subject, but I am very excieted
to
>      hear about a C= network!  :->
>
>      But, from what I have gathered so far, we are talking about a
>      "network" of BBSs.  In other words, the only ones that are really
>      involved with it now are the SysOps of those BBSs.

   Actually, yes and no.  CommNet is a Network of BBS programs that
stretch accross the US and Canada.  The idea behind CommNet was to
establish a standard for the Commodore BBS's in order for them to connect
to other BBS's running different software.  My original plan was to get
Sysops or programmers of the different BBS's together and work out a
standard that each of our systems could use.  It took me two years to
convince anyone it was a good idea and somthing we should all be doing,
then another year or so to track down the people who could do it for each
BBS.

   Since I've received a few replies asking about CommNet, here's a brief
history of the program and little about where we are now with the program
or should I say concept.

______________________________________________________

   The Image BBS program and their Networks were the first one to connect
to C-Net 64 DS2 BBS and DS2 Network to begin the CommNet process.  Next
came C-Net 128 and the Pearako Network, then Color V128 jumped in for a
short time.  I tried for a year to get everyone to commit to a standard we
could all use and to document their Networking structure so we could pick
specific areas from each platform and incorporate it all into one
standard.  Since I was the only one who documented the packet structure
and connection procedure and also since the three were similar to begin
with, we all decided to go with the DS2 packet structure and connection
procedure.  Its fast, simple and to the point.

   An Image programmer, Ed Wilson began by writting a conversion program
that converted the DS2 packet structure into the Image structure and
vise-a-versa.  He then wrote a program that would connect, send the node
info and exchange the two packets. (One coming and one going).  Later, Ed
wrote the same program for C-Net 128, but couldn't work out the connection
procedure for the 128 side.  At this time Image was converting two
networks into and back from their structure, to the two C-Net structures.
This was a cumbersome process that took alot of time for Ed's system.

   C-Net 128 decided to also write a converter for the DS2 packet
structure and connection procedure.  One of the original authors of
Pearako Network, Al Green, began to write the converter and the connection
procedure, but had to move before he finished the project.Another
programmer for C-Net 128, ke Eglestone, decided to write his own
converter and connection procedure and now has C-Net 128 connecting and
converting to and from the DS2 standard.

   Color V128 came into the picture and began writting the converter for
their system.  The programmer was also working on QWK program for their
BBS and at that time had both projects going at once.  They only
transfered a few packets before the 2400 baud connections and packet
sizes, as well as our lack of strict rules scared off the Color V128
folks.

   I also contacted Fred Ogle of Color 64 and got him mildly interested.
Enough so that he sent me the programmers guide and three empty disks,
that were suppose to contain the BBS program, for Color 64.  Never heard
from him after that, even after numerous email, feedback and even a few
posts and replies on his BBS.  Soon after, Fred turned over Color 64 to
someone else and I still haven't heard from them.

   C*Base 64 was also brought in to the extent that I had Jerome Yoner
write moduals for their BBS to allow them to connect to CommNet.  Jerome
also lost interest in the Commodore and sold C*Base 64 to someone and I
haven't heard from them either.  I've also sent numerous mail and feedback
to Brian Bell of Omni 128 about connecting to CommNet and never have
received a reply.

   This brings us to the present.  CommNet consists of C-Net 64 DS2 BBS,
running DS2 Network and BlackNet; Image BBS running FNet, NACS Network and
the rest of the Image Networks; and C-Net 128 run Pearako Network.  I'm
now working with a Wildcat BBS Sysop/Programmer who is writting a
converter from the Fido and other IBM Networks to the DS2 Network
standard.  We have the converter working perfectly and are now working on
the connection routines.  We even use the punter protocol to do the
transfers.  This PC connection will bring CommNet the Fido CBM areas and
Fido Netmail.  We are also looking into Internet Mail and a way to setup
CommNet for any Commodore BBS to feed from Wildcat or other PC BBS's.

   Some of the folks on the 128 side are looking into using the Internet
to transfer CommNet packets back and forth.  I beleive that are writting
scripts for their shell accounts to allow the Commodore to connect to
their shell, transfer and receive the CommNet packets, then logoff and
sort the packets like we normally do.

   While all this is great, we still haven't done what I really wanted to
do with CommNet.  That is to establish the standard from each Networking
program and use that standard for a new program on each individual system.
 This would free up alot of time these other systems are taking to do
conversions from one format to another and it would make the little
problems we have now, when someone's converter messes up.  While the DS2
Network does have to do any conversions, it still makes for a clumbsy
setup for the other systems, not to mention being tied into a different
packet structure from what your system actually uses.

   I'm hoping that now we have all the conversions between the three
systems completed, we can all sit down and start developing the actual
CommNet system.  The main problem is that each Sysop is used to running
the Networking they currently have.  Creating a drastic change in
procedure is tough when your talking 100 or so systems.  We can however
all run two individual networks and slowly change from one to the other.

   The reason both Image and C-Net 128 took the DS2 strandard was not only
for its simplicity, but also because we do everything on one call.  All
parts of the Network, the message bases, the netmail, network updates and
network extras are all placed in one SEQ file for each system.  When a
remote node calls their hub, the remote node sends out a packet, then
receives a packet.  The two systems disconnect and sort their respective
packets to their system and any other system connected to them.  The
packet is then scratched and the system is at waiting for call, ready for
users or another network call.

   C-Net 128 and Image either used several separate packets or their call
out procedure only went in one direction, which meant two or more calls
for each system.  Both of these methods were a bit more costly than what
DS2 Network used.  Another nice feature of the DS2 Network is the fact
that it updates itself.  Any time a Sysop reconfigures his system or
Network portion of his system, an update is sent out to update the rest of
the network.  Node information, subboard lists and network options
configured for each system are updated throughout the network.  This
allows each Sysop to see who is current and what nodes need removed.  It
also allows the network to configure itself as to which BBS gets what
subboards or which combination of network options.

   CommNet carries over 30 subboards, netmail and several other options
that are available to each BBS.  Options like Net Classifieds, Net
Matchmaker, Net Graphiti Wall and Networked Games can also be turned on or
off for each system.  Anyone interested in writting a converter and
connection routines for CommNet are more than welcome.  I have a text file
that describes the packet structure and one for the connection procedure,
both to and from any of the CommNet systems.  You must be running a
Commodore BBS with access to punter protocol in order to connect.

   I hope this covers most of your questions.  If not, I can be reached at
[e-mail], feel free to mail me.. :)
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:20:01 -0400
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Bendure <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What is DS2?

>      What is "DS2 with internet access"?  It sounds exciting.  Can I use
it
>      on my stock 64 (w 9600 bps)?

   Hmm, not sure what this means.  DS2 stands for Developers System 2 and
is part of the C-Net 64 DS2 BBS system.  It is also related to the DS2
Network, which is a network of BBS's running C-Net 64 DS2 BBS.  We don't
access the Internet with the BBS, but we do offer support for the BBS and
Network programs on the WWW, through IRC and even teleconferencing using
cuseeme (If they also have a PC).

   You can run C-Net 64 DS2 BBS and DS2 Network which is also connected to
CommNet, on your stock 64.  We even have some Sysops running the network
from floppy drives, although I wouldn't recommend it. :)  The current
release of C-Net 64 DS2 is still at 2400 max, however the next release was
just recently preveiwed by a few of us and the 38.4k baud routines do work
fine.  We don't have a release date for v3.0 yet, but it is close with
only the UD area left to complete as far as the main program goes.

   For a little more info on C-Net 64 DS2 BBS, DS2 Network or CommNet,
checkout http://www.infinet.com/~mbendure and the related links.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:34:15 EDT
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      dumb Questions  :-

To: [e-mail]

G'day,

 JT> Gaelyne[ I just printed your response to "Dumb Question" and got a
 JT> lot of good information: LYNX, Newsgroups, Bookmarks,

Hopefully you caught my correction message too.

 JT> etc. and want to thank you (as usual).

You're quite welcome, Jack.

 JT> Where may I get LYNX? Any suggestions? Thanks.

It is an Internet utility that would be on your Internet Provider.
It's not a program you download and use on your computer.

If you have a command line (ie, UNIX shell account) to use, you simply
type "lynx" and it should start if it exists.  You may also type it as:

lynx http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne

(My new WWW site)

Lynx may be a menu option on some systems, too.

  -------
Don't confuse the Internet utility named lynx with the C= compression
program of the same name.  They are two totally different things.


Cheers,
Gaelyne

Gaelyne R. Moranec    [e-mail]     //\         /\\
90 Hilliers Rd                                        || * \ . . / * ||
Reynella S.A. 5161    Fido:  1:366/221.128             \\____\X/____//
Australia                    3:800/809.128              / *  /O\  * \
                                                        \__/  "  \__/
WWW: http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne
QWKRR128: http:/people.delphi.com/gaelyne/qtoc.html
Speaking for myself and not for any publications or other employers.

___ QWKRR128 V4.51 [R]

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 * Origin: Gaelyne's QWKRR128 test site (Aust) (3:800/809.0)
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Date:         Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:34:16 EDT
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Genie News

To: [e-mail]

G'day Everyone,

I'm not sure if the announcement made it to this list....

The Commodore Roundtable on Genie is under new Management...
CMD (Creative Micro Designs, Inc) now manage the C= RTC and have some
great things in store for Genie subscribers.

When CMD asked if I would join their Genie staff, I was very honoured
and accepted immediately.  They needed a host or hostess for Monday
nights and so this is the job I'll be fullfilling until I leave for
Australia (which will be in October, hopefully).

So if you're looking for something to do on Monday nights, you can come
visit me in the C= Real-time conference area on Genie from 10pm -1am.
Just type m625;2 from the main menu and you'll be whisked to the
Conference area.

We're not sure what the name of my chat room will be, or the topic --
although knowing me it'll probably have something to do with modeming
and telecoms in general.  :-)

You might notice that my .signature below has my Web pages on Delphi,
and here I am talking about Genie.  I use both services.


Cheers,
Gaelyne


Gaelyne R. Moranec    [e-mail]     //\         /\\
90 Hilliers Rd                                        || * \ . . / * ||
Reynella S.A. 5161    Fido:  1:366/221.128             \\____\X/____//
Australia                    3:800/809.128              / *  /O\  * \
                                                        \__/  "  \__/
WWW: http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne
QWKRR128: http:/people.delphi.com/gaelyne/qtoc.html
IRC: #QWKRR (Thurs 9pm EST - whenever) on the Dalnet Network
Speaking for myself and not for any publications or other employers.

... QWKRR128 - Read 'n' Reply offline with a C=128
___ QWKRR128 V4.51 [R]

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Date:         Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:57:23 EDT
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         Ariel Baez <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Supermon

Hello to all. In the past week I have learned alot from the discussions
of networks and such, but for the moment let me direct your attention to
the following question:
Does anyone know where I can get documentation on Supermon -by Jim But-
terfield. I brought a used commie a while back and noticed I had this
proggy. I am considering learning ASM on the commie but would like
some documentation or some refrences on who to use Supermon and/or
other Assemblers/Dissamblers/Monitors.
-Any comments will be apreciated.
Thanks in advance...
LONG LIVE Commodores...

Ariel Baez
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Date:         Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:04:34 +0200
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         Dariusz Slawek <[e-mail]>
Subject:      edu

nomail slawek dariusz
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Date:         Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:28:08 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         David Meads <[e-mail]>
Subject:      dumb Questions  :-)

Re:  Cartridge expanders

If you can find a Navarone cart expander that would be good also...I
have 1 1/2 (the half has no case, no switches, missing a couple
resistors...:>

de Hat
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Date:         Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:34:32 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
Sender:       COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
From:         David Meads <[e-mail]>
Subject:      1764 uses

I just got a 1764 REU at my user group's annual auction.  $6, killer
price...

Now a question (if it doesn't take a book to reply)...what programs can
I use it with?

de Hat
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Date:         Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:37:04 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         David Meads <[e-mail]>
Subject:      JATO message

Would the person who originally sent the message about the idiot who
found a C-130 JATO apparatus in the desert and attached it to his car
please send me that message directly.  You can e-mail me at:

                [e-mail]

Thank you...a couple radio guys are interested in it.

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    I     I
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     de
       Hat
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Date:         Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:46:02 -0500
Reply-To:     COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <[e-mail]>
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From:         "<Guliamo> <Cappucci>" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      JATO message

CO>Would the person who originally sent the message about the idiot who
CO>found a C-130 JATO apparatus in the desert and attached it to his car
CO>please send me that message directly.  You can e-mail me at:

CO>                [e-mail]

CO>Thank you...a couple radio guys are interested in it.

CO>     -----
CO>    I     I
CO>---------------
CO>     de
CO>       Ha

I would like a copy of that again as well! [e-mail]



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