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Topic 28 Fri Mar 17, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 22:24 EST Sub: Superbase programs For programs that run under Superbase 18 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 1 Fri Mar 17, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 22:26 EST I am writing some programs that run under Superbase. I'd like to know if there is any interest in programs like this. Also, I will be needing beta testers. Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 2 Fri Mar 17, 1995 CBM-MARK at 22:39 EST Brenda, what kind of programs? I'm not a Superbase user though I have the program somewhere. Just curious ;) ~~Mark~~ ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 3 Sat Mar 18, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 20:38 EST Oh, a bunch of different ones. For example one program helps you reorganize your database. Another one helps you to print reports. (There is a report generator in Superbase, but my program has features it doesn't have.) I want to see if there is any interest so that I write what people are interested in. I was going to ook at the Superbase programs I have written for myself and see if I could spruce them up so other people could use them. (Programmer's programs, ya know ;) ) For example, the program that helps with reorganization had been a 10 line program. 9 of the 10 lines had been remarks! The 10th line contained code I had to modify. I thought, why not make it automatically ask the user for everything? Now it is about a 6k program. That's not including the menus which are saved on disk as SEQ files instead of the program code. This saves memory. I put a lot of work into it, but it is kind of silly if no one is interested in Superbase programs. Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 4 Sun Mar 19, 1995 W.OVE at 13:22 EST I do use superbase programs alot. I am also very familiar with superbase programs and would be very interested in seeing/trying the things that you are working on. I use superbase to manage my inventory, keep the books. for my business. I also have put it to use for design functions. (A cad d program is really just a data base and superbase is an excellent database). But of course it has no capabilities for ouputting visual images. Which is the best place to post superbase messages. i hate to see them become scattered all over the board. w.ove ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 5 Sun Mar 19, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 17:25 EST I use Superbase to keep track of music albums, disk directories, addresses, etc. I've written many support programs but I want to combine as many of them as I can. I also want to make them so anyone can use them no matter what type of database they have. (Also, it seems as a Superbase programmer that I constantly re-write the same program for different databases. If it was generic, it would only have to be written once.) Do you have any programs you want someone else to try out? I'll have to get my program together and send it to you. I don't think I've looked at it since the last beta tester went over it. Did you know that the Amiga version of Superbase allows you to display graphics? I don't think it can draw, but then I only have Personal 2. (If anyone knows how to get Professional 4, let me know.) About where to post... I suppose a sysop should answer that. The reason I started this message when there was a post in the CMD area is the one in that area is for the Superbase program itself. This post is for programs that run under Superbase. There is another post in this area that seems it could go with the post in CMD's area. (ie general Superbase question) Also, I kinda felt the need for one here because people will look in 64/128 software for info on a program. If they don't know that CMD sells Superbase, they will never look in that area. Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 6 Mon Mar 20, 1995 CBM-MARK at 00:37 EST LOL! Where to put the Superbase topic? Well, there is one in CMD's category since CMD distributes the program. Brenda, you started this topic to see if there was any interest in the Superbase programs you designed. Now if we get into programming examples for Superbase, well that belongs in category #5. Yeah, no 1 good general purpose place to put it ;) Brenda, you mentioned it might be kinda silly to upload your Superbase programs if nobody shows an interest. I don't think it would be silly. After all, there may be many more like me who have Superbase, but never did anything with it. Seeing some of your, or anybody else's, stuff for Superbase might get them to try it out. Some of those who *do* use Superbase may find possiblities they never dreamed of until they saw programming examples done by others. Who knows? ;D ~~Mark~~ ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 7 Mon Mar 20, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 01:18 EST Yeah, I started the topic to see if there was interest in Superbase programs. I see the post in the CMD area as a bit more generic. ie: How much does it cost? etc type questions. The reason I started this one was because I didn't feel it was appropriate for the CMD area if I was talking about programs that I wrote. I did put a reply about programming there and felt uncomfortable with it. That's why I started this one. But now it seems that the one in the CMD is about to break into programming examples. If you want to move it to the Programming area, or tack it on here, it would be ok. (I don't understand why people seem to be against new posts on GEnie. They say it is ok to start a new topic but it seems to bother users when you do. I know you were joking, but its one of my biggest gripes about GEnie. Getting off of soap box now :) ) I did not mean it would be silly to upload the programs if no one showed interest. I meant that it would be silly to WRITE them in the first place. My programs are "programmer's programs" and would require extensive work to make them suitable for an end-user. Why waste my time making them "finished" if I'm the only one that will end up using them? But you made some good points. Maybe Superbase is too hard for people to set up the first time? Would people be interested in "already set up" databases? Or articles on how to use Superbase? Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 8 Mon Mar 20, 1995 CBM-MARK at 16:08 EST Brenda, I thought you meant your Superbase programs were "already set up" programs. Now I know what you mean about 'writing' them ;) Some databases already to use might be of use to those first time users, though. After looking through the Superbase manual when I purchased my copy I came away with the attitude "someday when I have more time". It still sits in the box ;> I guess we can keep the programming tips in the Superbase topic over in CMD's category. They were already started there to begin with. Good as place as any. Besides that topic has been there for long enough most users here are familiar with that one. Oh, another reason I never got back to trying out Superbase was because the initial reason I bought it was to set up a Genealogical database, but shortly after got a hold of a copy of Lineages. ~~Mark~~ ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 9 Tue Mar 21, 1995 S.PADOVE1 ["C"] at 00:16 EST Brenda Have purchased the Superbase 128 and have just set it aside and have done nothing with it. Would be very interested in the album listing you mentioned as my CD collection has gone to around 500 and I am keeping it on a little database that I picked out of Loadstar 128 Would certainly be great to have a *good* database for this and possibly my tax deductible expenses TIA "C" ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 10 Tue Mar 21, 1995 N.ONEIL [Nate] at 21:49 EST Brenda, count me among the others who have SuperBase but have never used it. I, too, would be interested in an album DB. Nate ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 11 Tue Mar 21, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 22:19 EST Good thing I posted this. Sounds like I am working in the wrong directio set up their applications in the first place. I'd like to keep this post here, because I really don't feel it is pro be one post to one general topic. On every other system I have been on, users start their own posts. They don't just chain on to other people's.) I don't know if I have heard of Lineages or not. Was it reviewed in TC 128/64? I set up the album database for my sister. I have never used it myself.be indexed by. In case you don't know, the Superbase manual tells you to s to use a code, such as Joe/01. Fine. But what do you do six months late program and entered into the "name" field as "Billy Joel". (My sister did not like last name first :) ) By the way, when I mentioned above that Superbase tells you to try to use unique fields... anytime the Superbase manual gently hints that you shouldn't do something, DON'T DO IT! I hadn't been thinking about finishing up the album program anytime in thh all of my programs and finish each one. Right now, I am trying to decide how to force the "reorganize your database" program into the 64 version. It is too big, there is not enough memory in the 64. >> Would certainly be great to have a *good* database for this and possibly my tax deductible expenses TIA "C" What do you mean by a "good database"? What fields (or ?) should it have? I don't know what a tax deductible expense database would entail. Wouldn't a financial program work better? Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 12 Wed Mar 22, 1995 W.OVE at 08:27 EST Super base is no faster or slower that anyother database for searches on a monolithic file. The power of Superbase is in its linking and programming capabilities. If I were to design a database for record albums, I would create a database called Music. Within the database I would create files called Albums, composers, preformers and selections. This would allow for a keyfield search on any criterian I choose. Individual records withing each file would contain the keyfield information linking it back to the other files so that a complete record could be created. This is a lot of work, but it would allow a serch for any item happen as fast for a database of 200 albums as it would for a database of 10,000 albums. A structure such as this also reduces redundancy of data. Once a composer has been entered into the database, you would simply be adding new key fifield information to his or her existing record. Of course all information would need to be entered and retreived under program control. Just a note on the above post. "joe/01" will cause problems as a data in a superbase filed because the "/" charqcter is a command character within superbase and should never be part of the field information. It is pleasant to see show much suberbase discussion. w.ove ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 13 Wed Mar 22, 1995 MRABOY at 21:27 EST I have been using SB for about 10 years andnow am using SB128 v. 3.01. I have written some simple applications and I am very interested in ways to reorganize databases within SB as well as other applications I would love to be a beta tester. ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 14 Wed Mar 22, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 21:51 EST Did someone ask if Superbase was fast or slow? I must have missed it. I've never used another database, so I wouldn't know. >>The power of Superbase is in its linking and programmng capabilities. I agree... I have Superbase on the Amiga. I only have Personal 2, which doesn't have a programming language. I'm dying to get Professional 4, that does have one. A programming language makes a database more flexible. You can make it do things more easily. This does not mean you have to be a programmer either. Simple commands can be stored and used like you would use a macro on another program. Files within database... my album database is set up as one file. My sister only needs to search by performer. There is no room fo "selections". (Of course this could be added.) My feeling is, if you are going to have thousands of records and want to search them on several different fields, get the Amiga or IBM version of Superbase. If you are not a programmer, it will be very hard for you to do. Also, it is going to quickly run out of room on a 1541 drive. If my sister listed all that data on 1,000 albums, she'd need a RAMLink or HD. For me personally, I don't feel the need to list each criteria seperately... if you give me a name, I can * remember * all the albums and the song titles on each :> (Must be wierd, eh?) On your "Music" database example, I would not make each record in the file be partial information. I would have one record contain all the information. Your other files would link back to this record. This would greatly speed the process. This would mean if you were trying to look up album titles, you would go to the "albums" file. Look up your album, and with ONE lik, you can have full data. Yes, you can call this full record "redundancy of data", but boy will it speed things up and fix a ton of headaches! Yes, making a file for each thing you want to search on will make Superbase faster. That is because it is only fast on the key field. You can only have one key field per file. To get more than one, you must use more than one file. (I'm trying to help the beginners out a little. I'm sure this is way over lots of people's heads.) >>A structure such as this also reduces redundancy of data. I don't agree with this statement. If you put all your data in one file, your key is only there once. To use several files, you must repeat the key field in each file. (It would be a "regular" field in the other files.) But you must weigh the advantages with the disadvantages. Like you said, you can only search quickly on one field. Using multiple files also causes other problems. I talked about one of the problems earlier. Another problem is that this approach requires advanced BASIC programming skills. To do it without programming would leave the user running and screaming :) Most people probably don't want to program. I know that's hard for us Superbase programmers to believe :) The other users that have responded haven't even set up a database yet, let alone wrote programs to control one. >>Of course all information would need to be entered and retreived under program control. I know that you probably know the things I am talking about. I'm just trying to clarify a little for the beginners. I don't think its going to help much, cause its starting in the middle instead of the beginning :) >>Just a note on the above post. "joe/01" will cause problems as a data in a superbase filed because the "/" charqcter is a command character within superbase and should never be part of the field information. Oops, you are correct. But check R-22 in the 128 manual. I used their example! (Well, it was with the name Smith, but the logic is the same.) By the way, you shouldn't use the characters = # * > < / & Superbase uses them in its record matching function. When it sees them in a field, it can't tell whether these characters are data or commands. Brenda ps: I just marked the "/" as yet another error in the SB manual pps: wrote this before I saw the last response. 64 or 128, Mike? W.Ove told me in mail he was not interested in reorganizing. I don't know if that just meant his own personal database or he meant not for beta testing either. Here is a question for y'all... on a 64 version, would you rather have to copy files to make my program run to both disk drives (if using two drives) or would you rather wait while the program loaded in variables? The program is too big to fit in the 64's memory. ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 15 Wed Mar 22, 1995 CBM-MARK at 21:52 EST Off topic here ... Lineages and Family Roots were both reviewed in TC128. I *think* it was issue #33. Anyway, that's the only issue I have that I can't find :/ It's not in the other issues I have so it must be that one. I *do* know for sure it was reviewed though. I, ah, did the review ;D Oh, it's Family Roots for the 128 I use not Lineages (for the 64). Don't know why I said Lineages <shrug>. ... Ok, somebody can take us back on topic now! Superbase, right? ~~Mark~~ ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 16 Wed Mar 22, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 21:53 EST Oops, just re-read your post. You said the 128 version... I'll need 64 beta testers too. Hey, why not tell us about your programs? Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 17 Thu Mar 23, 1995 H.HERMAN1 at 08:13 EST I was at a recent Open Systems database show. Mostly for professional IM's running Unix, and window's systems. I was delighted to see that SuperBase was one of the major exhibitors. And, best of all SuperBase was attracting the most crowds. Howie ------------ Category 3, Topic 28 Message 18 Mon Apr 03, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 23:07 EDT Just to let ya know... I found my disk with the SB program on it. I'm not sure if it is the last revision, but it is all I can find. I still need 64 version beta testers. Brenda ------------ ************ Topic 29 Tue Mar 14, 1995 MISSINGBYTE (Forwarded) Sub: i need some programs i need a prg. that will let me print out as sheet music,from a dataset.anyone know of a program :) also would like to know how to program a circle scroll (and or) how to rotat obects or text on a screen please e-mail me if anyone can hel 4 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 3, Topic 29 Message 1 Tue Mar 14, 1995 MISSINGBYTE (Forwarded) if anyone can help please E-MAIL to MISSINGBYTE.... thanx ------------ Category 3, Topic 29 Message 2 Mon Apr 03, 1995 S.PARKER37 at 22:01 EDT What type of software do you need? I have tons of stuff for the Vic20, C64, C128. Most of my Software is original copies. (not Illegal copies) Scott ------------ Category 3, Topic 29 Message 3 Tue Apr 04, 1995 C128.JBEE at 16:54 EDT MISSINGBYTE, E.BOURDON1 just uploaded some GEOS programs for printing SID files that might do what you want. ------------ Category 3, Topic 29 Message 4 Tue Apr 04, 1995 E.BOURDON1 [C128-Eddie] at 19:00 EDT I remember that someone was asking me about a program that printed SID music, and after searching through a bunch of my software, I finally found the program I was looking for. It is a GEOS program (I couldn't find a non-geos one) and it does print out sheet music from SID music. Hope this one helps you out. Be sure to download both files so the program will work. -Eddie ------------ 3 | ************ Topic 32 Fri Apr 07, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] (Forwarded) Sub: Lions Of The Universe Lions Of The Universe info 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 3, Topic 32 Message 1 Fri Apr 07, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] (Forwarded) I just won this game in the CMD conference. (Thanks CMD!) I know it is a shoot-em-up, but how about some more details? Brenda ------------ 3 |