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************ Topic 9 Tue Jun 14, 1994 D.BARR2 (Forwarded) Sub: User-Friendly Creating an environment, what are the best programs, how is it done? 5 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 3, Topic 9 Message 1 Tue Jun 14, 1994 D.BARR2 (Forwarded) OK guys...I am used to doing everything with my 128 "The Hard Way", but my wife will not touch the system unless it practically turns itself on for her. Can you GEniuses recommend some programs in the library that I can D/L to create an Auto environment for her so that all she has to do is put the disk in, turn the computer and select what she wants to do? -David ------------ Category 3, Topic 9 Message 2 Tue Jun 14, 1994 B.MASSE [BIG BOB] (Forwarded) 3-46 D.BARR2 at 20:51 EDT >create an Auto environment for her so that all she has to do is put the disk >in, turn the computer and select what she wants to do? Sounds like my wife! Here is a suggestion that may help and then again may not. GET JIFFYDOS! It will give a much easier command mode to remember and speeds up the drives. One or two key pushes will get a program loaded in most cases. Or if you have lots of dough then you could buy a RAMLINK and use AutoBoot feature to have a customized loader for all your most used programs. Here is another Idea that will cost money. Get Geos V2.0. It has a very nifty Graphic Interface that will allow mouse clicking to get to your programs. Bob - ------------ Category 3, Topic 9 Message 3 Mon Jul 25, 1994 J.BUTLER13 [JB] at 05:28 EDT Geos costs $40 dollars or so but it is very handy, With a word processor and paint program included, it is nice environment. Many have said Geos has extended the life of C64 & C128. However, you will need a REU to use Geos effectively. It is VERY disk intensive and takes time without the REU support. Ramlink from CMD or 1750 Clone from SSI are necessities. CS-DOS from Parsec might be a good choice. It is shareware for $25. It handles multi-drives as well. CS-DOS is here in the libraries . . . #9 or #10. The nice thing about all of these, GENIE provides extensive support for both systems featuring BBS sections for both . . .#6 for Geos and #11 for Parsec. JB :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 9 Message 4 Sat Sep 17, 1994 R.HARRIS1 [Randy Harris] at 22:44 EDT I agree with ALL above mentioned suggestions. I'd like to add one more idea that has worked very well for me and my family. THE SERVANT TS is available for download here on G Check it out! Ideally, you were have it put on an EPROM chip for the empty socket in the 128. With this, the 128 will come up with a menu when you turn it on. Loading programs, even for 64 mode, is as easy as pressing 1 key! It makes calling up a directory, viewing a text file, and many other things SUPER easy! Even has great Disk Tools for easy file copying and disk formatting! My kids almost NEVER need help loading programs anymore! Other info: works with JiffyDOS. Will work loaded from disk, but meant to be on an EPROM. On EPROM, does not work with RAMLink properly. Although it works with CMD Drives, TS doesn't recognize them properly for some of the Disk Tools (author never owned any). Author still offers EPROM service, or I know someone who can do it for you. Works in both 40 and 80 cols. Can be customized, including colors and function keys. Shareware $10 ------------ Category 3, Topic 9 Message 5 Wed Oct 19, 1994 E.BOURDON1 [C128-Eddie] at 00:02 EDT I would be interested in getting an EPROM...how much are we talking here? ------------ 3 | ************ Topic 12 Wed Jul 28, 1993 B.GANN1 (Forwarded) Sub: GEnie Library files For questions regarding GEnie downloadable files 34 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 1 Wed Jul 28, 1993 B.GANN1 (Forwarded) Hope this is the right place to put this... I am looking for a file compare program. I would like it to be able to check files with different or the same name on 1 or more disk drives. Is there anything out there that can do any or all of this? The ones I have seen have an odd combination of features or are clumsy to yse. er, use. Thanks :) Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 2 Wed Jul 28, 1993 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] (Forwarded) I have toyed with the idea of writing one. One appeared in the Transactor YEARS ago for the C64 that looked nice. I also know of someone who wrote one, tho I don't know what the name is, but it does exist. If you are a programmer, here is what I had in mind... load a version into bank 0, and another into bank 1, then do a compare byte for byte at ML speed. BASIC compares would need an algorithm to output the code differences by line number. A powerful enuf program might do that for ML but I would not want to attempt it! Are you trying to compare text files, or just versions? If just text files, or if you are just looking to verify that they are different, you can do the test using the C function of your machine language monitor.... load the files as suggested above, into 2 different banks at the same start address. Ex: bload "filename",b1,p(start address) bload "filename2",b0,p(start address) Find the end address by going into the monitor and looking at addresses $00ae and $00af. This will be lo/hi byte format. Then do a compare from start address to end address... Ex: c 0startaddress 0endaddress 1startaddress That will report the addresses of the differences. Probably not what you want, but just in case... egb ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 3 Wed Jul 28, 1993 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded) Brenda- If what you are interested in is whether or not two files are the same, there is a simple cheat you can do. Download Craig Bruce's program "crc32," which runs a 32-bit crc checksum on any file. Run this on the two files in question... if they come up with the same crc32, then you can be 99.99% sure that they are identical. If what you are after is a list of differences, that's a little more complicated. crc32 is file #9961 in the libraries. -Rob ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 4 Wed Jul 28, 1993 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Brenda, The one that will do everything you want is called GREP. It comes with many options so you can set them to whatever your requirements may be at any one time. GREP runs under CS/DOS, and you will find all the files here in our Library. Doing a search for the uploader C.SMEETS ought to bring up these files. Howie ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 5 Thu Jul 29, 1993 B.GANN1 (Forwarded) Thanks for the tips! This is to check for duplication in a usergroup library. So some of those ideas are too complicated for the beginners ;) On the q-s of what is it for, text files, basic etc, its for everything. I have considered writing one, yes I do program. I'll check out GREP since it seems it would be the easiest for beginners, but all the tips could prove useful. Thanks :) Brenda s oops ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 6 Thu Jul 29, 1993 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) The "uploader" will be "JBEE" :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 7 Fri Jul 30, 1993 B.GANN1 (Forwarded) Contrary to the reply, Grep doesn't do anything I wanted :/ It checks for a certain string in a file or files. It looks very powerful, but what I need is a file comparer :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 8 Fri Jul 30, 1993 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] (Forwarded) Brenda: Compute published a program also a LONG time ago called Cyclical Reduncancy Checker (CRC) which compared versions of a program. What you want is a big order if you want output detailing the differences in files. The one in Transactor for the C64 was VERY nice as far as output, but only did BASIC files, and BASIC 2.0 at that. A word processor with its verify function would do your text files. That would not output the differences though. Machine language would be a NIGHTMARE to try to compare I would think. If I were going to do it just to see if there were differences, though, I'd do the Monitore compare command I mentioned earlier in this post. If I were doing BASIC I would probably dload it, then dverify it against the file I was interested in checking. Incidentally, if text files are in PRG format, you could also use the monitor compare command on them too. ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 9 Sat Jul 31, 1993 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded) To echo what I said earlier :D There is a file in the library, "crc32" that will calculate these CRC's that Ed is talking about. Look back five or six messages on this topic, where I posted the file number. This crc32 is pretty easy to use... you run it, and type the name of the file who's crc32 you want to calculate, and it prints out that number. It works on any PRG or SEQ file whatsoever. (I am not sure how it would do with USR files, though, pretty sure that it won't do REL files, and it's probably won't work on GEOS files, especially VLIR files.) Joe Bob says check it out. -Rob ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 10 Sun Aug 01, 1993 B.GANN1 (Forwarded) Note that I never asked for a list of similarities/differences :) I knew that would get real complicated real fast. Of course, it is the next step though... I mean, once we find out they are different, we would need to know where. The monitor compare one is a good idea. I will check out the CRC file. Note that CMD is going to have a file compare utility available on a utilities disk. I don't know the status of when this disk is going to come out. Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 11 Mon Aug 02, 1993 CMD-DOUG (Forwarded) It's out Brenda, but I don't think it will fit the requirements you put up. It is built into FCOPY+, but it merely reports that the files are different or the same, and only works with files that have the same name. The facilities are there within FCOPY+ to easily rename files as well, but it didn't sound like you wanted the process to get too involved for the users you had intended to have work with this. ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 12 Tue Aug 03, 1993 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Brenda, Well, I sure goofed when I suggest GREP. I am truely sorry, and request your forgiveness, and promise to never, never do it again... I cannot imagaine what I was thinking about when I made that suggestion. Now, if you have not lost all confidence in what I may recommend, I do have one other thought, which will probably do exactly what you are looking for. I know. I know. I said this before, and it turned out not to be the case. But, I promise I will do better this time and make ammends for my earlier transgressions. Again, referring to CS/DOS, you might try using its COMP command. The syntax would be: comp a:file1 b:file2 I hope I have this right this time..... :) Howie ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 13 Wed Aug 04, 1993 B.GANN1 (Forwarded) CMD: You're right... it does some things I want and not others. Where is ther info on the newer products? Not too sure of myself on GEnie yet... Howie: Don't worry about it :) I put it up on my BBS. As I said, it seems to be very powerful. Just not what I need for the current project. "comp" sounds interesting. Will try that out. To show you how "beginning" the beginners are... one insisted she wanted to seeto see if a couple files were different. I told her to wait for me (so I could hand-hold her through it) but she went ahead. I figured she was going to load and verify, but she was loading and running and trying to find the difference :) Besides that, I think she eventually found out the prgs weren't goting to run because they were for the VIC :) So as you can see, I need something as easy as possible for the others. "Comp" sounds like a good bet, will let you know :) Brenda ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 14 Sun Oct 03, 1993 R.KANE [edgarderby] at 10:12 EDT I wrote a fairly rudimentary comparer for Basic files, which checks two files line number - by - line number. It's written in Basic, so is slow, but it does tell you which lines are different. I'll look at cleaning it up and uploading. ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 15 Sat Feb 05, 1994 W.HARD at 16:17 EST Can anyone here recommend a RAMDos type of program I could download from the libraries which would let me use the 1700 REU as a drive? Please note that I have the 1700, not the 1750. Thanks. Walter ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 16 Sat Feb 05, 1994 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] at 19:57 EST WH: WH> recommend a RAMDos type of program I could download from the WH> libraries which would let me use the 1700 REU as a drive >>> 9238 RAMDOSII.SFX X R.KNOP1 911107 17408 >>> Desc: RAM disk on CBM REU up to 2 Megs >>> 5125 RAMDOS128.BIN4.3 X SPARROW.J 871117 7560 >>> Desc: Updated Binary file for RAMDOS 128 >>> 5124 RAMDOS128V4.3.LBR X SPARROW.J 871117 22680 >>> Desc: RAMDOS 128 v4.3a 11/17/87 I don't know how 5125 got in there because the original stipulation on the RAMDOS files was that they be in the collection as uploaded I thought. And 5124 is a LBR file, meaning you must have the library utility to dissolve it. File 9238 will do for you though, and it is a self dissolving file. All of them have a routine called 'sniff' that determines the size of your REU, so you don't have to worry about what modely you have. Your 1700 will work just fine. :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 17 Sun Feb 06, 1994 W.HARD at 22:28 EST Thanks for the info, c.g. I downloaded file 9238, and it works just fine setting up my 1700 as a drive. I'm having a fair amount of trouble doing anything other than opening sequential files on it, at the moment. In particular, the COPIER-2 subprogram included (plus CBM's UNI-COPY) freeze up when I try to copy a file. However, I suspect some tinkering will fix this, so I'm holding off on any specific questions here for the moment. Again, thanks much for the information. Walter ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 18 Fri Feb 11, 1994 L.SCHONDER [Lou] at 10:15 EST Traditional disk/file copy programs generally look for a 1541 drive, not a 128 or 512K drive (RamDos). JiffyDOS works well with RamDOS for swapping files around for housekeeping. I, too, have a 1700 REU, BTW. ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 19 Thu May 19, 1994 J.BUTLER13 [JB] at 03:41 EDT swinth I am looking for the program called swinth mentioned in RUN magazine Loren Lovhaug lists the file as #423 but doesn't list the library. Does anyone know where it is? It is supposed to be great program! Thanks for any help. :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 20 Thu May 19, 1994 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] at 08:40 EDT JB: 8335 3N1 CLASSIC DEMO X GULLIBLE 901021 54180 67 18 Desc: Trap, Swinth, and Time Crystal demo. 423 SWINTH X DEB 851227 20160 267 18 Desc: fantastic graphics/music 10438 SWINTH 2 X R.CLARK70 921112 28160 53 18 Desc: a real good music and light show Note the number in the extreme right column. That is the library number. You must either select that library, or all libraries, to view the files in a library. Select item 8 on the main library menu, then 61 when asked to select a library. Then you should be able to view file 423. Loren's article was correct! :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 21 Fri May 20, 1994 J.BUTLER13 [JB] at 05:54 EDT thanks E.G., I'm heading there now! your prompt reply is greatly apprexciated! :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 22 Fri May 20, 1994 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] at 06:45 EDT Ok! Great! Glad to help! :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 23 Sat May 21, 1994 J.BUTLER13 [JB] at 01:30 EDT I just de-arc'd Classroom Manager from the c128 education library. There are four files to be used. When I tried to dissolve the documation files, I had all sorts of ttrouble. After several attempts with different disks, I finally got the file to dissolve. I was using Omega-q. The file was doing weird graphic things to the screen. When zi tried to print out the file with Ultra, part of it printed but I kept getting FFFFFFFFFF, etc during the printing. E.G.,have you had any other reports about this file (#6239 CLASS.3.ARC Library 28)? It is a fairly long download and I would like to avoid another bad one. Thanks for your help. :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 24 Sat May 21, 1994 C128-QT.PIE at 09:41 EDT J.Butler: I have not had any comments on the Classroom program to date. I will check it out and get back to you on this. ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 25 Thu May 26, 1994 J.BUTLER13 [JB] at 05:57 EDT Qt.PIE: I tried another download of the specific file. I decompressed it again without trouble but when I tried to print out not all of the copy was there part was replaced with FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF Am I missing something or not doing something correctly? I downloaded files from C128 Games.Four SDA files: MahJong v2, Mille 80, C128 Crush, and Astra2a MahJong and Mille 80 dissolved fine but the other two didn't I loaded Crush and when I hit return coputer went to ready when I hit run with Astra computer locked up When I listed both programs got from #7901. . .sys 7183 and from #9095. . . sys 7198. The programs are listed as SDA files. Have I missed a step or something? Any help would be greatly appreciated. :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 26 Thu May 26, 1994 C128-QT.PIE at 20:47 EDT J.BUTLER13 (JB) I downloaded the three files you've been having difficulty with. All three files downloaded, dissolved, and ran as they should. C128CRUSH.SDA and ASTRA2A.SDA are both Self-dissolving arcs and should be dissolved in 128 mode. C128CRUSH is meant to run on the C-128 in C-128 40 column mode. The problems you are experiencing could either be related to bad downloads or maybe even with your OMEGA-Q program (with regards to the CLASS 3.ARC file). I suggest that you try to download these files again. It could be possible that you encountered some line noise. Let me know what happens. I would also suggest downloading the newest arc files. The file numbers are as follows: 14398 and 14399. Please let me know if I may be of any further help ;) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 27 Fri May 27, 1994 J.BUTLER13 [JB] at 05:57 EDT QTI PIE: This morning while working in 128 mode, I discovered I could dissolve the game files in 128 mode. It must have escaped me that this was possible I guess because I kept seeing "be sure and dissolve in 64 mode" in so many of the files. At any rate, the games have been successfully dissolved and played with. Both are entertaining. I will download those files tonight and try again on classroom3.Thanks for your help :). Some of us need to be led a little more than others. I will get back with you after my next attempts. Have a safe Memorial Day Weekend! JB :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 28 Fri May 27, 1994 C128-QT.PIE at 06:16 EDT J.BUTLER13 (JB): That's great! I'm glad you got them up and running!!!! Have a great holiday as well! ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 29 Mon May 30, 1994 J.BUTLER13 [JB] at 06:44 EDT QT.PIE Even better news. I downloaded arc250.4 and was able to dissolve classroom with success. I know have the docs printed so my wife can use the class manager program next school year. Incidently, when I dissolved classroom3(docs), I was careful about disk space so when arc said "okay" I thought I had the whole file. Imagine my surprise when the printer stopped on "availb". The file had dissolved to 133 blocks instead of the correct 190. Of course, I wasn't aware of the actual size, consequently, I missed the error. moral of the story: always use a new disk like the instructions say. If that had been a program, it would not have run and I would not have known why! as JBEE has said "when all else fails, read the instructions." Have a good holiday JB :) correction: should read wasn't too careful about disk space ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 30 Mon May 30, 1994 C128-QT.PIE at 09:20 EDT J.BUTLER: That's great news!! ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 31 Fri Oct 14, 1994 P.WRIGHT16 at 23:05 EDT ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 32 Sat Oct 15, 1994 P.WRIGHT16 at 08:48 EDT ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 33 Sun Oct 16, 1994 CBM-MARK at 00:37 EDT Taken from another topic: --------- P.WRIGHT16 at 08:56 EDT Sub: Difficulty gettig to download area I own both an IBM and a Commodore 128d. I have no problems following the prompts on the IBM but I still haven't gotten to the files with the Commodore. I am using Wizard128 as a commo program. Why don't you set up the menues similar to t --------- ------------ Category 3, Topic 12 Message 34 Sun Oct 16, 1994 CBM-MARK at 00:42 EDT P.WRIGHT16: Did have you read topics #3, 7 and 12 in Category #1? They are about using the GEnie libraries. As far as I've seen on GEnie, all the Libraries *do* have the same menu :/ What do you see that is different? ~~Mark~~ ------------ 3 | ************ Topic 14 Sun Jan 15, 1995 J.BARBER9 [Dan Barber] (Forwarded) Sub: Alphabetizer Does anyone have a good alphabetizer for a text file? If it is in the libary please tell me where. If not then, could you please upload it. I have a friend who needs one. Thanks in advance. :)) 4 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 3, Topic 14 Message 1 Mon Jan 16, 1995 H.HERMAN1 (Forwarded) Dan, Maybe I do not understand what you are asking.... Most all word processors, and spread sheets offer an option to sort text. Is this what you mean by an alphabetizer? For example, with Pocket Writer, any block-range of text can be sorted, a to z, or vice versa. Howie ------------ Category 3, Topic 14 Message 2 Mon Jan 16, 1995 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) These should fill the ticket: ********************************* Number: 12798 Name: ABCSORT.SDA Address: S.FREEDLINE Date: 930704 Approximate # of bytes: 25984 Number of Accesses: 19 Library: 17 Description: This program will come in handy when you need to alphabetically sort a list. Dissolve this self-dissolving file to a disk with at least 118 BLOCKS FREE. For the C-64. [ 102 CBM BLKS:PRG ] Keywords: abc sort,list sorter,sort,education,64 ********************************* Number: 8252 Name: ALPHA-BETTER Address: G.VANGELDER Date: 900914 Approximate # of bytes: 3780 Number of Accesses: 25 Library: 20 Description: This program will read in a PETSCII file from disk and then sort the contents of the file into alpha-numeric order. The file input section strips all spaces and non alpha-numeric characters. The output can be sent to the screen, the printer, or to disk. The sort priority is 0 thru 9 and then A thru Z. It's a short and simple program but, because it's all ML it is fast. Keywords: seq,petscii,sort,file,alpha,numeric --------------------------------- ********************************* Number: 3546 Name: ALPHATIZE Address: DEB Date: 870308 Approximate # of bytes: 1260 Number of Accesses: 64 Library: 21 Description: This is a SMALL Basic program example of an alphabetizing bubble sort. It takes input from a SEQ file, with all entries followed by a RETURN, and outputs to the same format in another file. Its *NOT* fast, and on a 64, the garbage collects can be a nightmare with large amounts of data. You should be able to run this on a 128, too, its just BASIC, but FAST mode and Basic 7.0 should at least help the speed and garbage collection. Anyone wanting to rewrite this into ML, be my guest. It was just a small example I did for a class I was teaching. Keywords: basic,sort,alphabetical,alphatize,seq,deb,bubble --------------------------------- ********************************* Number: 3547 Name: SEQ SORT128 Address: CHARRINGTON Date: 870308 Approximate # of bytes: 15120 Number of Accesses: 84 Library: 25 Description: This is a revamped version of Debs neat little routine to sort alphabetically lists in sequential form. Menus, mickey mousing and M/L compiling by Courtney Harrington. This program will read in a sequential file, sort it in alpha- betical order, then output it to another sequential file. It isn't the fast- est thing in the work...but it is the only one available right now. In M/L, it will read, sort and re-write a list of 300 items in about 60 seconds. This is compiled with Basic 128, so it must be RUN, not loaded. The proper syntax is RUN"seq sort128". The orginal routine can be found in Library 3 file #3546. 57 CBM Blks:PRG Keywords: 128,sort,sequential,lists,seq,ml,machine language --------------------------------- ********************************* Number: 10050 Name: ABC-SORT64.SFX Address: JBEE Date: 920903 Approximate # of bytes: 20864 Number of Accesses: 27 Library: 28 Description: This program contains basic and ml to sort lists of strings. Meant more as a learning tool than a full blown application. Both the basic and compiled programs are included in the SFX. [ 082 CBM BLKS:PRG:SFX ] Keywords: educate,education,school,teacher,tutor,grades,learning,student,skills,sort --------------------------------- ********************************* Number: 7838 Name: MCSORTER Address: A.K.QUINN Date: 900307 Approximate # of bytes: 2520 Number of Accesses: 26 Library: 31 Description: For 128 only--80 col. RUN and a basic demo appears. Ignore error message. A ML routine will be at 4864 ($1300) and basic uses it. List demo and note Data lines which MCSORTER will read, alphabetize and write into the basic program. Every line must begin with a quote to accommodate internal commas and graphics, if any. Line numbers for new lines start at 1000; can be changed (variable k), and so can line interval. Follow format of demo. ML part is an adaptation of Quicksort with changes to eliminate keyboard work. Once it starts you can leave and come back with a new file. Longer programs go slower. Experiment will show the value of this technique. Try writing over old line numbers... Let me have comments. Kevin Quinn Keywords: 128,sort,ml,data,hybrid,basic --------------------------------- ------------ Category 3, Topic 14 Message 3 Sat Jan 21, 1995 J.BARBER9 [Dan Barber] (Forwarded) Thanks. I'll try these. :) ------------ Category 3, Topic 14 Message 4 Sun Jan 22, 1995 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) You are welcome :) ------------ ************ Topic 15 Fri Jul 29, 1994 B.KIRKLAND (Forwarded) Sub: Print Shop and 24pin Epson Could someone tell me how to get PS to work correctly with my 24pin Epson LQ printer? Bob 4 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 3, Topic 15 Message 1 Fri Jul 29, 1994 B.KIRKLAND (Forwarded) I had heard so much about PS so I desided to go out and get one, however when I did get one, I can not get the printout to look right. I tried to set the driver for epson, but still did not work right. I am using side B so what else do I have to do? Bob ------------ Category 3, Topic 15 Message 2 Sat Jul 30, 1994 CMD-DOUG (Forwarded) Put the printer in IBM Proprinter mode and type in the following: OPEN4,4:PRINT#4,CHR$(27)+"3"+CHR$(21);:CLOSE4 After you've done this, load and run Printshop, using the 'Epson' version. ------------ Category 3, Topic 15 Message 3 Sat Aug 06, 1994 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) No matter what you do, the printout using a 24 pin printer in 8 pin mode will result in an elongated printout. My copy of PrintShop is kind of old, I bought it in 1985/86? But as far as I know, there are no 24 pin drivers for the Commodore Side A version, so all your printouts will look stretched out and extend off the printed page onto another piece of paper. Sometimes it is a good idea to keep the old 8/9 pin printer around. ------------ Category 3, Topic 15 Message 4 Sat Aug 06, 1994 CMD-DOUG (Forwarded) The solution I presented should not result in an elongated printout. This is because in IBM mode with AGM turned off, 24-pin printers can achieve the same vertical spacing as 9-pin printers. There are other ways of achieving those resuts as well, but the method I gave in this case works well with PRINT SHOP. ------------ ************