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00pm File NOTICE1 Stereo Player Version 10.0 & 11.0 Copyright 1988 Mark A. Dickenson This program is COPYRIGHTED and made available on a FREEWARE type of basis. This program can be freely copied and distributed as long as it is not SOLD or used as a give-away with another product and this documentation file must be included with the program. (Brenda note, keep reading!) Documentation files included are: NOTICE1 NOTICE2 NOTICE3 NOTICE.UPDATES Personally I think ShareWare is a bust, but if you feel an OVERWHELMING need to part with something of monetary value. I would be more than happy to help cure that need by taking it off your hands. ---- Who is going to send him any $? First he defines it as freeware, then he brings up shareware. So which is it?? Another problem I have with it is the wording of the request. Not many people have an "OVERWHELMING need to part with something of monetary value". The user would feel like a fool to send him $. BTW, I asked him personally, and he said it was shareware. I tried to start a drive on Q-Link to pay him $. I think people thought I was wierd. EB>> I don't do this for privileges either. I never thought you did. EB>> I have to pay every month to be on GEnie, so you can see that supporting users actually costs me money. I realize that. That's why I think some people that would be supporting their users aren't on GEnie. They can't afford it. EB>> All the above in mind, I don't know about shareware status. You have an interesting point about when you downloaded the program. Well, I don't want to get off on technical grounds. My point was that I did not know the status of RTCM. My understanding was that that v2.* are PD, and v3.* are commercial. EB>> I hope this explains my impatience with people who get PAID marketing stuff for our computers and offer lukewarm support in ANY way. Who are you referring to? EB>> No one here can say anything, going back as far as they like, about how I've supported the program. I don't doubt that. EB>> Everyone can give themselves a bit of credit for making suggestions that worked their way into RTCM. See what a good attitude you have :D EB>>I have lots to learn and will be learning C starting next week. Cool. EB>> My c128 is costing me money now. I have almost virtually stopped writing stuff for LoadStar meaning there is no $$$ coming in from that. Why? EB>> I am looking to do more on the Internet and GEnie's front end is not what I consider ideal. Cool. EB>> I want to continue to support RTCM, but more importantly I want to continue programming my 128. I hope we don't lose another programmer. EB>> I don't want money to intrude on that, but I can see it is inevitable. I don't know how to address that right now. I'm going to give it some thought. I can't recommend Steve's book highly enough. EB>> As for DesTerm/Dialogue/RTCM... RTcm was never meant to compete against the others. If you remember, you started it ;D I just said that I like how Desterm scrolled better. Ok, then here is one for RTCM... Desterm's CHAT mode is garbage compared to RTCM. EB>> Lengthy comparisons about what RTCM cannot do are pointless (and sometimes premature) but I like discussion. "and sometimes premature" :D EB>> I can see how it could get frustrating tho. I've always been unusual about what upsets me... I brush off what upsets some and get upset at what most people brush off. ::: shrug ::: I'd rather see someone get offended than get gone if you know what I mean, though, and shoot back. What? EB>> I honestly don't know what to do about the money aspect of things. I honestly don't. Thanks for being honest. I've really be noticing lately how most people will not admit to anything. EB>> And the funny thing is, with the new baby and my wife having been off work since April, I of all people SHOULD be upset about things and I'm not. How do you manage not to be upset? EB>> I just redid the dialer code and I think I may try my hand at the RTScTS stuff because of the proliferation of faster modems... unfortunately I can't test them, but anyway, at least for now I'm going to unfortunately I can't test them, but anyway, at least for now I'm going to continue to offer the best support I can. Interesting how programmers don't have as much as their users have. EB>> I'm not Matt Desmond or Gary Farmaner, Oh, I don't know about that :) EB>> but I'm still 'visibly' available and supporting the C128, if that counts for anything. Yes, it counts for a lot! In closing, (finally :D) I'd just like to say that I am a strong supporter of paying authors the $ that they are due. But the users have to be made aware of what is expected of them. The reason I have not sent in $ for v3 is that it is marketed by Parsec. So if that means I should stop using v2.02, then I will stop. I haven't received a definative answer. JBEE seems to think 2.02 is shareware, but Ed is unsure. I want to do what is right, but I don't know what that is. Brenda ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 54 Sun Aug 20, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 09:58 EDT Brenda: I guess there is one thing I said that you quoted that I should explain.... :) BG> EB>> My c128 is costing me money now. I have almost virtuall BG> EB>> writing stuff for LoadStar meaning there is no $$$ comin BG> Why? It is because I have changed jobs and schedules... I used to work midnight to 8, Sunday through Thursday. Now I work a flex schedule Monday through Friday.... usually 6:30 to 3:40... anyway, I'm just usually too tired to do anything on my computer when I get home. So I didn't want that cryptic remark of mine to be seen by anyone as a shot at LoadStar. It was not. It is just a result of less time and energy. I did just sell them another utility, but that one has been written since last year. I just never got round to sending it to them. O, one other thing... someone who read my last post kindly offered to loan me a USR modem to test with for a few weeks. I accepted.... as soon as I get it, I'll get started on the RTS/CTS support for RTCM. IF I continue working on RTCM, I have other projects in various states of completion.... one of them is a UUENCODE/DEcODE overlay. Another is support for ANSI and probably VT100... those are not as high on my priority list because, as I said before, I tend to write those things that are useful to the things I do. I like programming my 128. I will enjoy the PC as well, but I can see a glaring problem with it as far as the programs I've acquired (from GEnie, etc.).... everyone does their programs for shareware, which is not a bad thing, but everything seems to have been done 10+ times... there is just not that many things to write programs for.... that is kind of a discouragement. But as I said, I won't have the time to crank out the number of things I have done in the past. At least, that is what I am thinking this week... next week, who knows... :) ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 55 Sun Aug 20, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 23:24 EDT Ed... I know how it is about no time... I just started a second job. Actually, I have 3, but one of them is a substitute position so I rarely get called in. Also, I'm helping to unionize the Pages at one of libraries where I work. It wouldn't suprise me if you saw this library on 20/20. Seriously! But that is another topic. EB>> someone who read my last post kindly offered to loan me a USR modem to test with for a few weeks. Cool! I don't have an extra. My 128 gets the 14.4. The Amiga has a 2400. (obviously I don't call with the Amiga ;) ) EB>> IF I continue working on RTCM Well, if you feel I owe you a shareware fee, let me know. I personally don't feel I owe it to JBEE, but then I have not seen the contract (if there is one). If there is a way to get v3.* from you, how do I do it? If not, I will have to go back to Desterm even though it is inferior to RTCM for GEnie. Or I suppose I could use Dialog. EB>> I have other projects in various states of completion.... Cool. About support for ANSI, etc.. well that would depend how many users use RTCM for stuff besides GEnie. I use Desterm other places. EB>> there is just not that many things to write programs for.... that is kind of a discouragement. Yeah, but you'll think of something. There will be something that you can't do, and you'll want to write a program to do it. EB>> But as I said, I won't have the time to crank out the number of things I have done in the past. At least, that is what I am thinking this week... next week, who knows... :) When you find something you need to get done, but can't... you'll be programming! ;) Brenda ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 56 Mon Aug 21, 1995 C128.JBEE at 12:05 EDT Brenda, The only reason people such as yourself have gotten away with talking trash about GEnie, Parsec, and myself is I am not allowed as a sysop to respond. Even when it is on another network such as Q-link. Though I will make an exception in your case as long as you agree not to go crying to FEEDBACK about the responses. As such, I invite you to start a topic in Category #11 where I can address all your negative comments of how I have done you and the world such terrible wrongs. I will consider the topic closed once you are unwilling to further respond. Please try to keep the melodramatics to under a screenful this time around. Consider your license to use any version of RTCM suspended until payment is recieved and forget trying to use those silly tactics to drive a wedge between Ed and myself. It will not work. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 57 Mon Aug 21, 1995 C128.JBEE at 12:06 EDT Ed, You mean I have to have at least /0: in my path statements for it to work correctly? I have blank lines now. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 58 Mon Aug 21, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 18:47 EDT John: You don't have to have anything in your path statements. I just (if they are in there) put them in there because of my setup. Remove them and the partition number and you should not see any drive access before an actual command is sent to the unit. I got a 'brainstorm' today after I had one or two people tell me that following an auto-save, RTcm sometimes misses a prompt that should cause a match even when it is on the screen. I checked both of my NMI handlers and my RSGET code is the same.... so, I have added code to my new AutoLog that, after an autosave, will find the input buffer pointer (which is a self-modified pointer) and back it up several bytes. The net effect will be that many duplicated bytes in the next buffer. RTCMaster does not search for strings byte by byte as they come in... it searches for the last character in the expect string... when found it compares backward. The reason I did it this way was because I felt that checking as they came in would open me to totally missing a match if a partial match came along. anyway, this technique, if it works, will cause RTCM, after an autosave, to go back and grab the last x characters it received.... if it finds the match character, it can start checking again. The down side is if a prompt gets garbled... but it would not have caught that anyway. And you can, if you are at a prompt you know RTCM should be catching, press RETURN to cause GEnie to send it again. That would take care of garbled prompts. I have been tinkering with the overlays this week.... added a directory function to the copier overlay, a device change from the defaults main menu, and have some more tinkering to do. The AutoLog should be sent this week cuz I'd like it to have some live testing. the others I'll probably just upload as a collection. Any suggestions while I'm under the 'hoods'? ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 59 Tue Aug 22, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 20:37 EDT I'm going to upload a new AutoLog for version 3.01 later tonight. To use it, you will have to make 1 change to your boot program. In the line that loads 'ovrl.autolog' you have to add a ',b0'. This is because the file has increased a lot in size. The line that must change looks like this: 250 f$="ovrl.autolog":bload(f$),u(dv),b0 NOte that your line number may be different. Just find the line that loads "ovrl.autolog" and add the ',b0' as in the example above. Future versions of the boot programs and BootSet will handle this automatically. AutoLog is a lot bigger now, tho the coding was not totally responsible. I had to make a change in the autosave routines for the superscript function, which is the script language. It is a lot more than I want to explain right here, but under the right situation, a script with a 'subscript' batch file that did an autosave of incoming data would be hosed after the autosave. This bug would **NOT** affect the logon scripts made with ScriptMaker ***UNLESS*** they called a superscript that used a subscript.... I know that sounds complicated. The new version of AutoLog is designed to make SuperScripts easier to use. Bottom line is that this new AutoLog recognizes the potential and addresses it... at the cost of a lot of real estate. The size increase means the overlay is loading over the $D000-$DFFF block, meaning that it absolutely has to go into RAM 0, which is why the change to the boot file. If you understood all of that, make the change before you try to use the new version. If you did not understand it, make the change anyway. It won't work unless you do. The change in the dialer routines alone are worth using the new version. bTW, rename your current autolog overlay so that you have a backoff version in case anything would happen. Watch for the upload later tonight. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 60 Wed Aug 23, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 07:33 EDT I just used DataMover and see a definite change in the way the transfers end.... first a line is sent of information probably relevant to GEnie's GUI, tho I can't say for sure. The delay after the transfer is significantly longer than it used to be. I have to check, but I suspect the last prompt to put the file in the library is different too, but I was easily able to see where you ran into a problem Mark. I will figure it out and fix it. I guess I can understand the change, but not that delay. I have to view that kind of suspiciously! I realize that uploads are free, but when does the clock start running afterward? ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 61 Wed Aug 23, 1995 CBM-MARK at 23:34 EDT Glad you see where I ran into problems with Datamover, Ed. I still believe it does have something to do with that last prompt. Everything goes fine until then. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 62 Mon Aug 21, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] (Forwarded) FWIW, when I do uploads like you are talking about, I use a char delay and everything works fine. GEnie doesn't keep proper pace with the screen displays, but it does work fine for me. Sometimes I use a prompted transfer too... using the '>' character as a 'pace' character. You can do the whole thing w/o a delay if you do that. GEnie controls the pace. I have done the '*u' (or is it '*b') successfully too, spanning several categories... the hitch is that I have only done it at 2400... but I hope to start work on RTS/cTS, which should, if I am able to get it working, end my data loss problems w/RTCM and high speed modems. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 63 Thu Aug 24, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 00:08 EDT Mark: MD> still believe it does have something to do with that last MD> prompt You are *sort of* right Mark.... the powers that be totally removed a part of the sequence that DataMover was written to handle.... if you remember, when a file was transferred, GEnie used to come back and tell you to 'Press Return'.... I saw that when I looked at DataMover's script. Once that was gone, DataMover was hopelessly lost. I fixed that. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 64 Fri Aug 25, 1995 CBM-MARK at 13:56 EDT Ed, I had forgotten about that "Press Return" from GEnie. Just knew it was different somehow at that point but couldn't put my finger on it ;) ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 65 Fri Aug 25, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 18:40 EDT It was easy to find... the code was there to test for it but it was not getting sent. :) For those of you who log on to GEnie at 9600, what do you have to do? I am using a loaner modem but cannot get it to logon over 2400. I have tried the &n8 string. No good. What kills me is that Aladdin logs on the same number at 9600 w/o any effort at all. Now a status report.... I have had some success w/hardware flow control. On DLG. On RbbS it does not work properly, but on DLG, at 14.4, I don't lose a thing. Of course, I could not get transfers to work there. So it is going to be awhile before I get everything working properly. I also don't understand why it works on DLG and not on RbbS. I tried NovaTerm and it worked on Rbbs. Didn't bother with it on DLG cuz RTCM worked there so I figured it was moot. O, another up side is that the dialer routine works great at 14.4 on everything I call. Had some early problems but got them figured out and it may also prove to resolve the line noise I was suffering. As I had suspected earlier, the problems seem to have been the modem on my PC upstairs. Let me know if my messages are still garbled after this. I unplugged the modem upstairs for now. For anyone using 3.01 at high speeds, if you are losing characters, try turning off your screen display during buffering. I did this with the regular version of RTcm and it didn't lose characters for me. From your main screen, press c=d. You'll see the 'S' next to the system drive number on your status line turn to a '*'. From within a script, I believe the keys you must press are ALT-V. This is a toggle, so if you do it once, make sure you do it a second time in your script so that display comes back on when the script is finished... or you can press c=d to bring it back. This should serve as an interim solution until I can get what I'm working on completed. egb ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 66 Fri Aug 25, 1995 B.MASSE [BIG BOB] at 22:43 EDT > For those of you who log on to GEnie at 9600, what do you have to do? > I am using a loaner modem but cannot get it to logon over 2400. I have Just this month I started using the higher speeds, and I had to change the server I was calling, because they only offered 2400 baud. I think you have to go thru sprintnet to get the higher speed. Bob ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 67 Fri Aug 25, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 23:39 EDT I'm inclined to think you are right bob, but how does aladdin do it? That is what is driving me crazy! I usually use it before work in the morning cuz I don't have time to come down to my 128 and dial in.... and it does connect at 9600 using the same number I dial.... I just tried again many times to connect.... setting the modem to lock it at the baud I want... I can hear them cycle through the tones for each baud but they never link. It must be what you are saying... I suspected it myself... it is just Aladdin that throws the curve in there. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 68 Sat Aug 26, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 12:17 EDT I found out today that the number I was dialing is indeed a 2400 number. Aladdin LIES! I guess it just detects carrier and reports the connection is at whatever baud rate you set up in your aladdin setup. boy that kind of frosts my tail.... that wasted a lot of my time! I got a 9600 access number... and a 14.4 one as well thru sprint.... The guy I talked to from GEnie said there is no surcharge from Sprint or GEnie for either rate. Is this correct? ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 69 Sat Aug 26, 1995 B.MASSE [BIG BOB] at 20:57 EDT > number... and a 14.4 one as well thru sprint.... The guy I talked to from > GEnie said there is no surcharge from Sprint or GEnie for either rate. > Is this correct? You Betcha Ed... they used to charge (I think) $2 surcharge to access sprintnet, but have dropped as of Aug 1st 1995. I think Genie is feeling the sting of competition with all these companies that have come to life lately offering unlimited time internet access for only $15 month or so. So prices have to come down. Bob ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 70 Sat Aug 26, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 23:42 EDT Well, Bob, that is good news... I called about one of those all the Internet you can handle for $15/month... they don't have a connection in Pittsburg yet tho. :( I am wrestling with rts/cts flow control... I have mixed success.... I may be onto something now...I have it stopping here correctly... just doesn't seem to want to start again until I press a key... but I am going to keep on working at it... I got a 9600 number from GEnie that is a direct connect and a 14.4 number that is a sprintnet number. When I dialed the latter, it connected at 14.4 but did not recognize the @h.... I tried it from terminal mode, not a script... it just doesn't see it for some reason... I'm hoping I got a time that sprint was down but their modems were not.... :) ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 71 Sun Aug 27, 1995 B.MASSE [BIG BOB] at 10:25 EDT > dialed the latter, it connected at 14.4 but did not recognize the @h.... It has to be @H (notice the capital H). Even when the process is done right I fail the logon proceedure half the time. The sytem just seems overloaded and overworked at times. Bob ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 72 Sun Aug 27, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 10:51 EDT I did try the 'H' too Bob, but your other insight is interesting... are you in the Pittsburgh area too? I'll keep on trying once I get things cranking at 9600... I'm VERY close... I have it working w/o losing chars.... but I run into another problem when I get that working... feel like one of the 3 stooges when they were plumbers... get one leak fixed and 3 more appear.... but I'm at least moving in the right direction.... :) ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 73 Sun Aug 27, 1995 R.KIRK7 [Dick] at 13:09 EDT The day after I downloaded RTCM V3.01 from the Flagship Library the registered version arrived in the mail. Are both versions the same? Also, Is there a way to view through the buffer other than Ctrl B? ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 74 Sun Aug 27, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 13:56 EDT Well... I just had my first successful test.... The testing I've been doing here on GEnie involves logging on, moving to category 8, then reading all the messages in this category and buffering them with the screen on.... it has been working well for the last 2 days with one exception.... it would inexplicably stop at random points in the buffering.... then something occurred to me that might be causing this... I *seem* to have found the correct answer, tho I'm going to reserve elation for a week or so of testing... if I have it working, those 3.01 users can beta test it... I also want to test it at 14.4 on another 2 boards I call... I don't see any reason why it should work differently there, even at the higher rate, than it does here. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 75 Sun Aug 27, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 13:57 EDT O, and I also added a true break function while I was at it... not much involved in that either... and it works! :) ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 76 Sun Aug 27, 1995 B.MASSE [BIG BOB] at 15:51 EDT > I did try the 'H' too Bob, but your other insight is interesting... are > you in the Pittsburgh area too? Nope, I am 50 miles east of Los Angeles. Bob ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 77 Sun Aug 27, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 16:42 EDT Hmmmm! :) ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 78 Mon Aug 28, 1995 H.HERMAN1 at 14:20 EDT Ed, > Well, Bob, that is good news... I called about one of those all the > Internet you can handle for $15/month... they don't have a connection in > Pittsburg yet tho. :( Really? That's hard to believe when there are dozens here, in New York. While this may be a sort of catch-22, have you tried: ----------------------------------------------------- http://thelist.com/###.html Replace "###" with your area code for list of INet providers. This brings up pages and pages of listings in the 212 area. Give it a try for yours! Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 79 Mon Aug 28, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 18:13 EDT I *think* I have it! I just did a test at 14.4 on a FIDO RBBS board and it succeeded perfectly... I just read all messages here in cat 8 topic 18 and it succeeded perfectly... I have a bit more testing I want to do and some things to consider... if all goes well I may have something to upload for beta testing this weekend. I'm REALLY pleased tho! The only problem I was having yesterday is gone and, tho I was afraid I was going to have to change things, RTCMaster still has its large input buffer... that was kind of important to me! ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 80 Mon Aug 28, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 19:46 EDT I just logged on here at 14.4 and read in all messages in this cat and topic.... worked very well... found another thing as well... as I told the guy from GEnie, when we are working with customers of our bank trying to dial in on an async line, they dial through sprint, but when connected, they only tupe '@'.... not '@h' or '@H'.... and it works for them. I just proved to myself that I am correct about this for my home link up too... I got in and got a genie logon screen ONLY after typing the '@' w/o the 'h'. Bill O... you *might* want to give that a try.... I will do some more testing with this too... and I'll work up a script to get logged on thru sprint when I'm done w/my testing. but I'm *starting* to feel like I might have this thing nailed.... not quite cocky enuf to say it very loud... :) ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 81 Tue Aug 29, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 02:34 EDT JB>> The only reason people such as yourself have gotten away with talking trash about GEnie, Parsec, and myself is I am not allowed as a sysop to respond. I didn't realize you were restricted. I'd love to see your responses, but I am not going to be part of you breaking the rules. I won't comment further so you do not feel you have to comment back. (Actually, I'm suprised that you are willing to break the rules.) I have to comment on these 3 items however... JB>> Consider your license to use any version of RTCM suspended until payment is recieved You have not proven to me that I have an unregistered version. But anyway, I have been using my Amiga to call. Even though I do not agree with you that 2.02 is shareware, I am trying to find another term to use. JB>> and forget trying to use those silly tactics to drive a wedge between Ed and myself. It will not work. I am definitely NOT trying to do that. I am sorry if I have caused any problems between you and Ed. I am just stating what I feel. JB>> Though I will make an exception in your case as long as you agree not to go crying to FEEDBACK about the responses. As such, I invite you to Well, I am not afraid of your responses, but I think FEEDBACK should be made aware of what is going on here. Even if I am totally, 100% wrong, I feel I am being treated disrespectfully. I am very offended that you feel I am someone that would not register shareware, talk trash about things, try to break up friends, etc. :'''( Brenda ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 82 Tue Aug 29, 1995 B.GANN1 [Brenda] at 02:35 EDT Ed... I am sorry if I caused bad feelings between you and JBEE. The only reason I brought up the fact that I would not purchase version 3.01 of RTCM is because I wanted you to know that it was not the quality of the program that was stopping me. I'm not sure if 3.01 is available for public download. If so, I never downloaded it because of the above problem. I honestly thought RTCM 2.02 was PD. That is why I did not register it. I do not know what to do now, because JBEE says it is shareware, and you say you are not sure. What I have been doing is using my Amiga. I'd rather be using RTCM! :) On the topic of dropping chars, I just called with the Amiga and it did it too! So I will see if it is the modem. Now on the topic of shareware... The place on line is the Home Office/Small Business area (HOSB). The organization I mentioned is the Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP). I just downloaded some .zip files of messages from the shareware topics. (unzipped them on the Amiga.) Boy, are they good! Brenda ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 83 Thu Aug 31, 1995 R.KIRK7 [Dick] at 21:00 EDT E.G. Is the RTCMV3.1 in the Flagship Library 37 the same as we registered owners are receiving in the mail? I received mine incidently- thanks alot!. ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 84 Thu Aug 31, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 21:18 EDT Dick: rK> Is the RTCMV3.1 in the Flagship Library 37 the same as we rK> registered owners are receiving in the mail I don't know... Probably... I uploaded a 3.00 which turned up some problems.... so I fixed the problems, resulting mainly from changes I made in the way I assembled the code, not the code itself... and that is where the 3.01 came from... I would be inclined to think it is what you are receiving. The changes I have been talking about wrt flow control are only to the SwiftLink module, not the main program. this means that when I upload it it will not require a whole new version, but rather a very small file. Of course, I'll be uploading a new version of autolog too soon that includes a nice upgrade to the dialer routines... but again, that is an overlay upgrade, not a version upgrade. If you have a 9600 or faster modem, you will like the new stuff! I have a wrinkle to iron out yet... on RbbS and GEnie, it works great... for some reason, the last edit I did to get things to work properly have caused DLG to lock me up after I connect... I have to find that, but I am starting a long weekend tonight, so I'm very optimistic that i can get things working, tested, uploaded, and beta tested... so that I can get this USR modem back to my benefactor... If I get time, I'll try to do a hack for you to change your keystrokes to do the buffer scroll... o, and that reminds me.... we had discussed the speed differential between RTcm and DesTerm in scrolling... I think I may know the reason for that.... RTCM uses a full screen width light bar cursor.... that adds time to each line printed.... and an easy adjustment would be to change it to a narrow cursor in the defaults/ profile section... ------------ Category 8, Topic 18 Message 85 Thu Aug 31, 1995 E.GBELL [e.g.bell] at 21:41 EDT Brenda: BG> I am sorry if I caused bad feelings between you and JBEE You didn't... I don't have any bad feelings... even if I did, it would not be because of external things... I think everyone has to stand on their own merit (or fall). The only person I *do* have hard feelings toward on GEnie, and always will, is DEB, and she did that on her own. Some people send their correspondence with me in Email, some here. I answer everyone usually within hours of the original post. I understand your situation w/RTCM... I'm not the most mercenary person you'll ever meet, and don't get bogged down in the money end of things. there is a guy local to me for whom I wrote an accounts receivable program about 10 years ago for his PC.... I have maintained it and done 2 major upgrades... the latest one since I got my own PC. He is very pleased, and I have him 'beta' testing it for the last 2 or 3 months... fixing what he wants fixed, adding things he asks for or that I find convenient during my testing.... he has been bugging me for the past 2 months to bill him.... that is not my forte. It is the hardest part of programming... as anyone who writes code will tell you, it is a consuming thing.... thousands of hours on jobs that never get finished... Adding the time I have spent on BellTerm, Catalog, PCG Term, Indexer 64, Indexer 128, TotalRecall, Matrix, Sentinel, MagniPrint, StepTracer, GraphIt, SideWinder 64, SideWinder 128, TapePool, Equations, EGads, Splifix, UserConventions, etc., etc., etc. have easily consumed very nearly a life... and are not even the whole catalog of stuff I've written. Your reason for not buying RTCM is not unique to you. I have heard it before. I am going to allow myself this once to comment on this in a roundabout way.... if we boycott a product on the basis of who sells it, it is not the marketer who gets hurt, or who gets hurt worst. I have always found it VERY distasteful when I see posts and doc files FILLED with whining (IMO) about people who use programs but don't pay for them. I don't want to get caught up in that. I don