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Copyright 1993 by GEnie =========================================================================== This file is brought to you by The Commodore 64/128 RoundTable on GEnie For more information call by modem: 1-800-638-8369 (8-N-1 300/1200/2400) Upon connection Enter: HHH Then at the U#= prompt reply: xtx99018,commrt Then once connected enter: Commodore and Enjoy! GEOS RTC Night Tuesday Date: 931221================================================================== Guest: Jim Collette, programmer Host: GEOS-TIM This is one of a series of conferences with people who have or have had an impact on the 64/128 Commodore world. Jim Collette is a programmer that has written such programs as GeoWizard, Batch Loader, MiniDesk, and GateWay. The Commodore RT felt fortunate to have him in as a guest. We are starting the transcripts soon after Jim enters the RTC, and before the actual conference starts. The conference is being saved by Cam Stewart, THE.OUTLAW, as it progresses. Light editing by Cam Stewart, and Tim Hewelt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <JIM.COLLETTE> Cross-examination! no!! please stop!! ack!! <GEOS-TIM> We haven't started yet, Jim <D.CRIST> Something screws up in the DACC. <JIM.COLLETTE> You can't use the 64 and 128 versions in the same partition?! <JIM.COLLETTE> <GEOS-TIM> But a 9600 baud patch would be nice, as well as a chat mode <[dan] J.BARBER9> Yeah you will know it when we start. :) <D.CRIST> I had to reconfigure the whole sustem. <GEOS-TIM> How big of a DACC do you have? <D.CRIST> Went back to the regular desktop. <D.CRIST> I went up to 2500! Active users in ALL Rooms Job City Room Sta Mail-Address 2 Clarkston,MI 6 L GEOS-TIM 3 Pavilion,NY 6 N JIM.COLLETTE 4 Palmdale,CA 6 N D.CRIST 5 Wacko,TX 6 N THE.OUTLAW 6 East longmeado,MA 6 N CMD-DOUG 7 Brentwood,MD 6 N TOM.PATCH 9 Friendsville,PA 6 N [dan] J.BARBER9 <GEOS-TIM> geoCnavas needs a pretty big DACC especially if you use Switcher, or GeoWizard <D.CRIST> They must use the same type of files so that one trashes the other. <JIM.COLLETTE> Let's do TCP/IP for GEOS! anyone working on any ethernet boards? LOL :) <D.CRIST> Either is ok, both is a no-no. <GEOS-TIM> I never got on an ethernet <GEOS-TIM> does it put you to sleep? <D.CRIST> I use desktop with 1581 partitions and it is fine. <JIM.COLLETTE> LOL Tim!! :) <CMD-DOUG> Were you using Native partitions with gateWay? <D.CRIST> Yes. <CMD-DOUG> That was more likely the problem then. <JIM.COLLETTE> I still wish I could find the problems with native mode.. :( <CMD-DOUG> We think there is a bug that causes errant writes with the Native BAM routines. <D.CRIST> Now I use My reu for the DACC and 2meg for 2 1581 partitions. <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> Hello everyone <D.CRIST> OK. I will buy a copy of the new version if you guys write one. <CMD-DOUG> Jim, I'm surprised you're here... won't the folks on INET miss you? :) <JIM.COLLETTE> Now now, Doug... :) <GEOS-TIM> Jim always arises to the heighth of the Commie community. <CMD-DOUG> Heh, okay, okay... <GEOS-TIM> That is why he is in the GEOS DEN <D.CRIST> Tim, does Davids Topdesk work well on a regular GEOS system? <GEOS-TIM> You mean with no REU? <JIM.COLLETTE> Well, I try to Tim.. I miss the good ole days when we ruled supreme!! :) <D.CRIST> No, I meant without gateway. Im thinking on getting it. <GEOS-TIM> That is what we are starting here, Jim <[dan] J.BARBER9> Hey Jim, just out of curosity what does your system consist of? <GEOS-TIM> TopDesk sort of stand alone <[dan] J.BARBER9> It is proably huge comparted to mine. <GEOS-TIM> Good question.....Dan starts the cross examination <GEOS-TIM> Lets see if Jim remembers.LOL <[dan] J.BARBER9> Hey why not. :) <JIM.COLLETTE> Hmmm, 128, 1571, 1581, FD-2000, RL, HD, SwiftLink, etc.. <GEOS-TIM> No , I'M serious,,it is a good question <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> How about a modem, Jim?? <JIM.COLLETTE> Got an old 2400 Supra on the 128. <[dan] J.BARBER9> Thanks, it is about time I had a good one. :) <GEOS-TIM> I have a Supra, myself. Two infact <[dan] J.BARBER9> That is what I've got. <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> well, I got ya beat in 1 catagory, anyway... <GEOS-TIM> How big is your HD, Jim? <JIM.COLLETTE> I do some of my development work on the Amiga too. Got a 14.4 Supra over there. <JIM.COLLETTE> a measly 40 megger... :) <JIM.COLLETTE> but don't get me started on adding up the other computers!! <GEOS-TIM> That's forty more than I have.:D <GEOS-TIM> What other computers do you have, JIm? <[dan] J.BARBER9> Hey that is better that what I've got.. ...none! :( <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> Just don't say IBxxx, Jim!!!! <JIM.COLLETTE> my dorm room up at school looks like a Hard Drives International stockroom... <CMD-DOUG> That's right... you converted a cross-assembler to do your GEOS programming? <GEOS-TIM> Welcome to the Jim Collette conference! <D.PARKER36> hiyas :) JIM.COLLETTE>.Yep... it's standard C (the cross-assembler), it runs fine on Unix too (real fast there). <D.PARKER36> well, pleasure to meet you Jim <JIM.COLLETTE> ack Eddie, yep I've got a 486 and a 386... but I run GEOS and Unix on em... :) <JIM.COLLETTE> Did someone say beer? <GEOS-TIM> Don't you have an Amiga, also? <[dan] J.BARBER9> How do you run GEOS on a 386? <JIM.COLLETTE> yep, the trusty Amiga too! :) <D.CRIST> PC GEOS? <JIM.COLLETTE> PC GEOS... right. <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> Well, I must confess, I'm saving for a nice 486 system, but I still love my commodore 128 <CMD-DOUG> Jim, are most of your programming projects school assignments now? <JIM.COLLETTE> Yep, Doug... mostly school stuff... one of our projects was to sort of design a CPU and write the microcode for it... that one was interesting... <JIM.COLLETTE> 486s are fast but 128s are still a lot more fun I think. <[dan] J.BARBER9> That does sound intersting. <JIM.COLLETTE> DOS is really lame. <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> REALLY REALLY LAME <JIM.COLLETTE> So what's been happening in the GEOS world the past few months? Someone's gonna have to clue ME in, I've been really out of touch!!! <[dan] J.BARBER9> I hate ibm's as well. :p <D.CRIST> GeoCanvas is nice! <GEOS-TIM> A couple of programmers have come up with some great programs <[dan] J.BARBER9> CMD stoped selling RAMDRIVE. <GEOS-TIM> geoShell is one of them <GEOS-TIM> written by Maurice Randall <GEOS-TIM> TopDesk is in the American market....dist. by Quincy Software Message sent to Job 10 <CMD-DOUG> C:\DOS C:\DOS\RUN \RUN\DOS\RUN C:\DOS\CRASH <CMD-DOUG> Oops. <CMD-DOUG> :) <D.CRIST> My opinion exactly! <GEOS-TIM> And we have a new Desktop Publishing program for the 128 coming in the spring <JIM.COLLETTE> Is that the one Maurice is working on? <D.CRIST> I will pay ANYTHING for that! <D.PARKER36> can I ask an unrelated question here? <GEOS-TIM> Yes...I saw it....looks good <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> (A)bort (R)etry (N)uke <GEOS-TIM> Go a head, Parker <CMD-DOUG> Yeah Jim. And you should check out his geoMorph in the libs if you get a chance. <JIM.COLLETTE> Cool!! <D.PARKER36> well Im new at the fido echoes.. <[dan] J.BARBER9> What is the file name for geomorph? <D.PARKER36> been tryin to use qwkrr <JIM.COLLETTE> geoMorph?! <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> Is It good, Doug?? <[dan] J.BARBER9> I mean number. <GEOS-TIM> <D.PARKER36> the qso on my local board zips the .qwk packets <CMD-DOUG> It's pretty neat, yes. <CMD-DOUG> GEOMORPH.SFX I think. <JIM.COLLETTE> Cool!! I'm kinda surprised someone did that!! neat! <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> I was thinking of d/l, but I wanted to get some feedback first. <D.PARKER36> I cant un-arc the file csxtra42.lzh with lhx under csdos <CMD-DOUG> He plans to put a more extensive version of it into his FINALLY! program. <JIM.COLLETTE> What's that (FINALLY!) supposed to be? <D.CRIST> I kinda hope FINALLY! will be able to use color. <CMD-DOUG> That's what he calls his 128 Publishing program, Jim. <JIM.COLLETTE> (the desktop publisher?) <[dan] J.BARBER9> A new desktop publishing program. <GEOS-TIM> Finally is a DTP that uses 360dpi files <JIM.COLLETTE> ah... ok. <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> You should see if you can choose the Archiver that it uses to pack the QWK packet. If you can, you should choose ZIP, as there is a program here on GEnie that will allow you to unzip IBxxx ZIPed Files. <GEOS-TIM> Anyone have an answer for Parkers question? <C128-QT.PIE> NO <CMD-DOUG> Actually, you can set the resolution of the documents to match your printer. <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> I know the wildcat board I call lets you choose what format you want <GEOS-TIM> Yes...360 dpi the best. <D.CRIST> Im waiting for it before I buy a ps lazer. <D.PARKER36> the board doesnt give the option of how the packet is arced <GEOS-TIM> If you have a bubblejet or laser <GEOS-TIM> I have a question, Jim.....How old were you when you wrote your first program? <JIM.COLLETTE> First program? Hmm, I'm not sure if anything qualified as real programs back then!! or do you mean first GEOS program? :) <GEOS-TIM> No...just first program...then tell us about your first GEOS program <S.EYRSE> Yes but let me check your ID Eddie.. <JIM.COLLETTE> beer? <W.OVE> good evening all <JIM.COLLETTE> first program at all? wow, I dunno... 7 or 8 I guess. they were nothing back then though! just crummy BASIC stuff. <JIM.COLLETTE> I think the first GEOS one was Font Editor, I guess I was 13... <CMD-DOUG> Hey! I STILL write crummy BASIC stuff! :) <CMD-DOUG> ::grin:: <GEOS-TIM> Font editor is a great program <JIM.COLLETTE> LOL Doug!! your crummy BASIC stuff is a [heck] of a lot better than mine ever was!! <JIM.COLLETTE> ack, got quiet!! (I bet I have bad breath!) <GEOS-TIM> Is everyone here familiar with Jim's programs? <S.EYRSE> I think messages a flying just not on the "Big Board.".. so how is school? <D.CRIST> I still use jims programs dayin and day out. <D.PARKER36> know of them, just havent bought them yet :) Active users in ALL Rooms Job City Room Sta Mail-Address 1 Chicago,IL 6 N D.PARKER36 2 Clarkston,MI 6 L GEOS-TIM 3 Pavilion,NY 6 N JIM.COLLETTE 4 Palmdale,CA 6 N D.CRIST 5 Wacko,TX 6 N THE.OUTLAW 6 East longmeado,MA 6 N CMD-DOUG 7 Lecenter,MN 6 N W.OVE 8 Adams,MA 6 N [Eddie] E.BOURDON1 9 Friendsville,PA 6 N [dan] J.BARBER9 10 Natrona height,PA 6 N C128-QT.PIE 11 Gig harbor,WA 6 N S.EYRSE <S.EYRSE> OH yes buy the way HI ALL> ;) <[dan] J.BARBER9> Hi <JIM.COLLETTE> School is excellent!! (Christmas break!!!!!!!!!!!!!) <D.CRIST> I think I have MOST of jims Geos progs. <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> I think I only have a few <GEOS-TIM> How many use GeoWizard? <D.CRIST> They are a must! <JIM.COLLETTE> only a few! ack!! the horror!!!! <D.CRIST> <JIM.COLLETTE> (LOL!!!!) <D.PARKER36> well I would have bought them all, but I NEEDED an FD4000 first :) <D.CRIST> I do. <W.OVE> I hear about geo wizard but don't know what it does? <D.CRIST> Allows multitasking. <GEOS-TIM> Jim...What does GeoWizard do? <[dan] J.BARBER9> Are they as good as people say (the fd's). <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> Sorry,Jim but I wasn't into GEOS big time, but I am now finding myself using it quite a bit <D.PARKER36> well I think so, I think its the greatest <JIM.COLLETTE> geoWizard is a magical program, it doubles the memory on your computer and makes it run 5 times faster, plus it comes with beautiful women as well! <GEOS-TIM> LOL ** <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> is here. <GEOS-TIM> Welcome to the Jim Collette conference! <JIM.COLLETTE> howdy Wiz! <[dan] J.BARBER9> Hey if that is true, where can I get it! :)))) <JIM.COLLETTE> Seriously it just lets you break out of almost any program you're running to start up something else, then get back to the first one when you're done. <JIM.COLLETTE> Sorry QT... :) <D.PARKER36> well if you want an fd, talk to Doug :) <JIM.COLLETTE> (I go to Clarkson, where the men look like men and the women look like men (and the sheep run like.....)... you have to excuse my warped sense of humor :D <[dan] J.BARBER9> Sounds like gateway's switcher. <D.CRIST> Hi Ard! <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Hello Folks I'm back <JIM.COLLETTE> Re Ard! :) <S.EYRSE> Jim do you remember how you did it. Store the name of the old one some where to reload.. <GEOS-TIM> Not quite like Switcher..... <[dan] J.BARBER9> Oh whats diffent? <GEOS-TIM> You can open an application while in an application with geoWiz <JIM.COLLETTE> Nope Steve, it just dumps the memory out to the REU and fetches it back when it's done. <D.CRIST> Switcher is neat, but S L O W! <GEOS-TIM> You can open a DA within a DA <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Sorry to have left so quickly--but CAT BARF & Christmas tree emergency. <[dan] J.BARBER9> Where could I get it? <GEOS-TIM> Thanks for sharing that with us. LOL <JIM.COLLETTE> Cat barf!!! ICK!!! :( <GEOS-TIM> It is on the Collette Utilities disk from CMD <[dan] J.BARBER9> Thanks <C128-QT.PIE> LOL, Chuck! <D.CRIST> Thats a great disk! <[dan] J.BARBER9> What is all on that disk? <GEOS-TIM> I think I like your MiniDesk more than anything, Jim. <JIM.COLLETTE> Switcher is neat too, it's a more generalized switching concept... I just wish I could figure out completely how it works!! <[dan] J.BARBER9> What is minidesk? <GEOS-TIM> And of course GateWay 2.5 was great <GEOS-TIM> Go ahead Jim, tell them about MiniDesk. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> There is another Switcher Program too, thAt I don't think you created Jim. <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Hello everyone! :) <GEOS-TIM> Hi Wiz ! <W.OVE> Inever had any luck with switcher except it swittched my computer to lock up mode. <JIM.COLLETTE> MiniDesk was an interesting one, I did it as a freebie originally and a lot of people wound up liking it more than geoWiz!! :) <S.EYRSE> <[dan] J.BARBER9> Does geowizard work in gateway? <GEOS-TIM> I use it all the time <JIM.COLLETTE> (it just lets you copy/delete/rename files as a DA) <GEOS-TIM> Yes. it does Dan <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Jim you should see what happens with geoSHELL and geoWizard together--or have <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> you? <S.EYRSE> Is minidisk here? or still on (that other place) ;) <GEOS-TIM> It is on the Utility disk <JIM.COLLETTE> I don't think I have the latest version of geoShell... :( (gasp) <GEOS-TIM> It isn't PD anymore <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Speaking of that other place--- <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> V2.2? <JIM.COLLETTE> MiniDesk never was online, it was always on the disk. <D.PARKER36> Doug, you guys have the C language disk for 128? <CMD-DOUG> Nope. Sure don't. None made anymore that I'm aware of. <JIM.COLLETTE> I dunno Ard... Maurice sent me a beta version a few years ago but I don't think I've got anything more recent. Maybe I do somewhere... I know I never ordered it. <CMD-DOUG> Other than for CP/M, that is. <[dan] J.BARBER9> Hey Jim, did you hear about the C65? <S.EYRSE> K going to HAVE TO get the disk..;) Yes Ard of that other place.? <D.PARKER36> drat, it was from abacas wasnt it? <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> I have Super C, but it's for the 64, not 128 <JIM.COLLETTE> I've heard bits and rumors, Dan... does anyone actually have one?<[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> We have started having a session on mondays again--right Ron? <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> I believe software support still sells Super C 128 <CMD-DOUG> We're talking now with Abacus about producing some of their out-of-print stuff. <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Doug, feeling better today, I hope? :) <JIM.COLLETTE> I just talked to one of my friends (Ray) this afternoon who said he was still waiting for his.... <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Right, Chuck! Hope it holds out for awhile... :) <[dan] J.BARBER9> I don't know. But last I knew, no one I know. <GEOS-TIM> What gave you the idea to write Font Editor 2.5? <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> Geez!!!!!! <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> HOT CHOCOLATE!!!! <JIM.COLLETTE> heh Tim.... Font Editor 2.4! (sorry.... :) <S.EYRSE> Say Doug I don't know if anyone has publicly said THANKS for jumping into Geos before it all sorta slipped into the <S.EYRSE> S.F. bay.. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Slowly I turned, step by step by step.... <GEOS-TIM> Ya, what got you into writing the Font Editor? <JIM.COLLETTE> It was originally a 1.x version in compiled BASIC (good ole Austro-Speed...). then I re-did it in ML for the heck of it. <CMD-DOUG> Thanks RR. :) <JIM.COLLETTE> Howdy Maurice!! LTNS! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Hi Jim. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Hows our favorite Genius? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You mean Jim? <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> No you shy guy you. <JIM.COLLETTE> LOL Maurice I think it's you!! :D <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Jim isn't around often enough to be a "favorite" <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I just do what I like. <GEOS-TIM> No....it was me. LOL <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Hiya, Maurice! :) <CMD-DOUG> BRB... I need a stiff drink... or even a wobbly one. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> ACKHPTHHHHHHH <JIM.COLLETTE> ::pooh:: (I admit, I'm not around at all!!) <W.OVE> Mr. Collette are you doing any geos programing now? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Let's all go to the Landing Strip. Doug can get a stiff one there. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Doug wants a stiff one? <D.PARKER36> uh oh, the crowd turns ugly <D.PARKER36> :DD <JIM.COLLETTE> call me Jimbo!!! I'm not actively doing anything right now, although I'm sort of still trying to work on gateWay... Doug is probably ready to shoot me in the <[dan] J.BARBER9> Hey Maurice how is FINALLY comming? <JIM.COLLETTE> back of the head though!!! <GEOS-TIM> LOL <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Don't anybody say it! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It will be appropriately named when it is ready. <GEOS-TIM> If he shoots you he won't get it done....by you anyway. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> This is a family network <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> HUHH hehStiff one heh heh <GEOS-TIM> JIm you have to tell me now about how you decided to write Font Editor. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Maurice did my explination make sense? <JIM.COLLETTE> LOL Tim!!!!!!!!!!! Good one..... <D.PARKER36> well didnt see super c in the ssi cat <[Anthony] A.HELM> Evening, all. <GEOS-TIM> I have always wondered about a 13 year old sitting at his computer, and coming <JIM.COLLETTE> I don't remember exactly why I did it Tim, I think that there were a lot of people that wanted one and I don't recall there being any good ones available... <GEOS-TIM> It is an excellent program <JIM.COLLETTE> I know Fran Kostella had started one of his own and he sent me a lot of the info he had on the fonts and stuff.. and I put together a BASIC version. it was slow <JIM.COLLETTE> as heck but it worked for the most part. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> That's the one. <S.EYRSE> So Jim when you started doing Geos, was programer and the ref. material out there or did you just HACK your way thru? <JIM.COLLETTE> oh, heck no!! I had the reference guide. Didn't have geoProgrammer though, I used a shareware assembler called geoCope. <JIM.COLLETTE> I used to read the reference guide all the time, it was my favorite book! <S.EYRSE> Oh yes from someone in Texas.. I had that first. Never got the guide been using hitchicker and mapping the 64 (which <S.EYRSE> has a lot of errors) <JIM.COLLETTE> Hitchhiker's... now there is a neat book... I remember when I first got that one... it was like "WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cool!!" Job City Room Sta Mail-Address 1 Chicago,IL 6 N D.PARKER36 2 Clarkston,MI 6 L GEOS-TIM 3 Pavilion,NY 6 N JIM.COLLETTE 5 Wacko,TX 6 N THE.OUTLAW 6 East longmeado,MA 6 N CMD-DOUG 7 Lecenter,MN 6 N W.OVE 11 Gig harbor,WA 6 N S.EYRSE 12 Long beach,CA 6 N [Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF 13 Milford,MI 6 N [Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR 14 Charlotte,MI 6 N [Maurice] M.RANDALL2 <S.EYRSE> That opens a nother area for Doug, when you got GEOS did you get the rights to the HITCHIKER also..? <GEOS-TIM> Thank you for your question. :) -Tim <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Hmm... Ah! Here it is! Chat mode! Perfect! :DDD <CMD-DOUG> Yes, though we haven't decided what to do with that yet. We don't even have a <CMD-DOUG> master at this point to produce it. <JIM.COLLETTE> I think hitchhiker's is practically PD... <D.PARKER36> umm...whats hitchhikers? <D.PARKER36> guide to the universe? <CMD-DOUG> We're looking into that, though, as well as contacting BANTAM about the PRG. <GEOS-TIM> It is a programming manual for GEOS that has handwritten notes in themargins <W.OVE> CMD has the right to Berkley's Geos? <JIM.COLLETTE> Hitchhiker's Guide to GEOS... a big compilation of programming info for 64, 128, and Apple GEOS. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I've got a Master if you need one Doug. Right from Berkeley. <S.EYRSE> Sorta the notes that the OFFICAL prog. ref. guide was writen from. <GEOS-TIM> You do? <D.PARKER36> oh, thanks <CMD-DOUG> Maurice, the kind of 'master' we need to get is film. <JIM.COLLETTE> Well, as master as they come... LOL :) <S.EYRSE> What a one off zerox..:)...I've got that..LOL <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'll go get 20 rolls of 35 mm then. <JIM.COLLETTE> I remember having dad run off copies of that for people at work, man he didn't like that one bit!!! <S.EYRSE> with MY own notes. added..:) <CMD-DOUG> We should be getting it soon, though. We've got the film masters to most of the <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Gosh this Technical talk is amazing. <CMD-DOUG> manuals now. <JIM.COLLETTE> Really Doug? Cool, I didn't know you had them! <GEOS-TIM> Welcome to the Jim Collette conference! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Too bad you can't also get the rights from Bantam on the original one. <D.PARKER36> well with all this geos wizardry here, I wanna know something <CMD-DOUG> We're working on that, Maurice. <GEOS-TIM> Alright Parker? <A.FRANCHI1> Hey, Tim. I'm considering moving up to GEOS - honest!! <D.PARKER36> will geoProgammer work with geos128 in 40 col mode? <GEOS-TIM> Great!!! <JIM.COLLETTE> Yep!!! <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> yep <JIM.COLLETTE> Even in 80 with the patches. <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> and 80 too <A.FRANCHI1> Anyone have one for sale - cheap? <W.OVE> except for debugger. <GEOS-TIM> Where are the patches? <D.PARKER36> it will? great, Doug expect a call first payday after Christmas :) <GEOS-TIM> Have what for sale? <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Over in the other place Tim <CMD-DOUG> The patches will be in the libs soon. <JIM.COLLETTE> They're online... I imagine they should be in the libs here somewhere... <S.EYRSE> I've posted this before but did Programer V2.0, other than Debugger EVER come out? <GEOS-TIM> I suppose they are..... <JIM.COLLETTE> I know they are on the "other" (dead) system... <CMD-DOUG> No Steve. <GEOS-TIM> No Programmer 2 <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> That's where I got them anyway. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Doug, you should get Jim to finish GeoProgrammer 2.0 <GEOS-TIM> Yes Wiz <JIM.COLLETTE> LOL Maurice!!!! <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Except the "documentation for 2.0 was uploaded <CMD-DOUG> Just to each other, Wiz. Not 'real' mail. <GEOS-TIM> Well at least from folks in the room <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Oh well, just wishing. <JIM.COLLETTE> i'm not even sure what the benefits to Assembler/Linker 2.0 were supposed to be, other than working in 80 columns... <CMD-DOUG> I'd like him to finish gateWay, first, if that's okay? :) <[Ardmore855] C.GRIFOR> Maurice why don't you do it??? <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Is there a mail command, or do you use "/sen"? <GEOS-TIM> Well, when Finally finally comes..than you can tackle that, Maruice.:D <S.EYRSE> to bad I just read a file that I.Cobb put here that talked about what it was goning to be like.. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I need more labels and more source code files in the linker. <GEOS-TIM> I would like him to do that too....gosh....such demands on his time. <CMD-DOUG> Maurice, get Jim's version for the Amiga. :) <JIM.COLLETTE> Was it going to support more labels? hmmm... you got an Amiga? :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'm on one right now. <S.EYRSE> It was written by DeSoto one of the BSW programers and explained where they were going with vrs 2.0 <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I've got the both 128 running next to me working on the... <W.OVE> I want a really good geos database..(superbase kinda thing). <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...geoSHELL Programmer's Development Package. <A.FRANCHI1> I can't find it. A friend sent me a GEOS disk, but it keeps telling me I can't do that from the desktop, so I ... <JIM.COLLETTE> I'll have to send you the cross-assembler, Maurice... what CPU in the Amiga? <A.FRANCHI1> don't know what good it is - to me!! <S.EYRSE> Yes Geo calc is very lacking in what it will do and how BIG a file it will work with. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> 68000 with 2.5 megs and hard drive (2.5 inch inside the 500) <JIM.COLLETTE> ah... hmm, it won't be too bad, not blazingly fast but still probably faster than the 128. The only drawback is that it's just an assembler, no linker... so you <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> How do you get the files transferred quickly to the 128 for testing though? <JIM.COLLETTE> have to do everything each time you assemble. But on mine (with the 030) it's still far faster than the 128. <JIM.COLLETTE> I have a FAST cable run between them, and the assembler outputs files in "converted" format.. so I just send em over to the 128 and convert them. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'll send you the latest geoSHELL. It now has a convert command. <JIM.COLLETTE> It took me a while to get used to the system but I really like it now, the text editors on the Amiga are so much nicer to use for programming work, it speeds things up a lot. ** <[Anthony] A.TOLLE> is here. <JIM.COLLETTE> Especially being able to look at multiple source files at one time, while the 128 is running... etc. <GEOS-TIM> Hi Anthony <GEOS-TIM> Welcome to the Jim Collette conference! <JIM.COLLETTE> Convert built in? that's cool! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, it's an external command but works quickly. <CMD-DOUG> geoShell really has a lot of great features now. <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Well folks, since this is my first night on GEnie, I guess I'd better go look <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> around a bit.... <GEOS-TIM> Thanks for coming in Wiz <S.EYRSE> REALLY.. well welcome aboard.. <JIM.COLLETTE> First night? Wow! Have fun exploring!! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Wait till you see this new package that I will upload sometime during the holidays. <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Take care, and we'll see you next week. :) <CMD-DOUG> Nice seeing you Ron... it is Ron, right? <GEOS-TIM> Okay...be looking forward to it....Ron <GEOS-TIM> If Doug is right <[Wizardry] R.ROSENLOF> Itis, Doug. :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Only programmers will be interested in it though. <CMD-DOUG> BTW, if you type /NAM Ron you could let us know that! :) <S.EYRSE> Oh sure putting your trust in Doug..:) <JIM.COLLETTE> What's that, Maurice? The geoShell dev pak? ** <[Dave] D.PARKER36> was <D.PARKER36>. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, it's about 200 pages. <JIM.COLLETTE> Wow!! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It details all the routines that are accessible plus sample source code. <JIM.COLLETTE> Wow... you really went all-out! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Laid out like the Hitchiker's Guide. <GEOS-TIM> Sounds great. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> There are 101 routines in the jump table. <JIM.COLLETTE> sheesh!!! <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> No dalmations? <JIM.COLLETTE> LOL!!!!! <GEOS-TIM> Night Amirtra <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Night Anitra! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What platforms are you working on mostly now Jim? ** <[Bill] S.EYRSE> was <[Steve] S.EYRSE>. <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Hi R.Boyles. <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Welcome to the Jim Collette conference! <R.BOYLES2> evening. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Not really anything as we speak, but in general still a little CBM GEOS and trying to get into PC GEOS. And I do a little generic (unix) C stuff here and there. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'm sure I missed some stuff here, but what besides gateWay are you doing in GEOS? <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> well, that's basically it... although I can't even seem to get that one done!! <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> LOL <[Tony] A.TOLLE> Re's... :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Can I put in some suggestions? ** <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> SUGGESTION HOUR <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Heh, he can send you the source and you can, sure. :) <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> I'm always open to suggestions! <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Yes you can jump in Tony <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> ROFL Doug!!!!!! <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> (how true...) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Allow GEOS filetypes up to #99... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...keep gateWay from trashing drive D... <[Tony] A.TOLLE> he he he... I don't know if people want me to jump in though... :) <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Filetypes to 99? not sure I understand that one... <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> They probably won't listen...I had to put it in listen mode. LOL^= <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...don't move the subdir pointers in the disk drivers, please! ** <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> TECHNICAL TALK!!!! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoSHELL transient commands are filetype 21... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> gateWay only recognizes up to #17 <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> oh, you mean the physical locations of the subdir ptr? (like $9060 or whatever)? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, leave em where they are. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> What does gateWay do with the geoShell commands? <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Ah.. gotcha on the drivers... that stuff is all staying the same. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It doesn't hurt them, it just says they are hard drive or something. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> hmm... should it recognize them as geoShell? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Maybe you can just identify them as not recognized. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> .... or that would work too <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Probably lobbing off the bits it isn't concerned with and falling through. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoSHELL will say ??? in the directory listing for anything it doesn't know. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> I didn't realize it was turning up false types... guess I've just never seen anything other than the known ones before. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Must be it indexes past a certain point. <[Dave] D.PARKER36> gotta run all, thanks for all the info <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Yep... that one doesn't sound too hard. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If a stray file with a weird filetype of around 50 or so pops up... <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Night Dave <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Thanks for coming....stop in again <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Take care Dave! ** <[Dave] D.PARKER36> has left. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> you could have a big crash when GEOS tries to print some strange byte. <[steve] S.EYRSE> That is the hang up with not haveing a clearing house that WORKED till now I was working on a NLQ driver and almost <[steve] S.EYRSE> had it changing the code in GeosWrite but only for the 64 this would have screwed it up for the 128.. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> ack!! that would have been ugly!! <[steve] S.EYRSE> But colorfull ::: ;) <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> yeah... how true.... some crashes are kinda pretty sometimes! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Also, with four drives running, users have to switch drive D out before going to gateWay. <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> LOL <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> On another subject... <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Jim, would a SwiftLink driver for laser printers be possible? <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Thank you for your question. :) -Tim <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> 4 drives... yeah, that's something I've never really tried before. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> just a generic RS-232 you mean? as a printer driver or like in geoPubLaser/etc/? <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Right. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> I would think so... <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> You'd have to use a null-modem cable, though, right? <[steve] S.EYRSE> four drives is the deal.. TopDesk from Gem.. is slick for that.. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> hmm... not if you hooked it right up to the printer... <[Tony] A.TOLLE> I think a regular RS-232 cable would probably be fine, since those type of printers use standard RS-232 (like a modem) anyway, right? <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Seems to me that the printers require different line settings... DCE instead <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> of DTE or the opposite... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You must be talking about LaserWriters? <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Really? Hmm... I'm not sure about that, dunno what sort of handshaking they use. <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Thinking of the OMNITRONIX DELUXE RS-232, which has switches to change it from <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> modem to printer setting... <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> I'll have to check the manual on mine sometime, I've never used the serial port on it though... <[Tony] A.TOLLE> Well.. if the printer is actually the device, it should accept the signals as a RS-232 device and not a terminal... well, it seems it should be that way... <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> I'll have to tear apart my Omintronix sometime and see what they do. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Yeah, i'd be curious to see just what they change... I don't think I've ever heard of them being treated differently... ? <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> I've got an RS-232 book at work, which probably has it documented. <[steve] S.EYRSE> I just grabed the HP book for the wifes Lazer 4 what should I look for? <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> I'll check that. <[Tony] A.TOLLE> RS-232 pin outs. <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Anything about the RS-232. :) <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Just look for stuff on the serial interface... Active users in ALL Rooms Job City Room Sta Mail-Address 2 Clarkston,MI 6 L [Tim] GEOS-TIM 3 Pavilion,NY 6 N [Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE 4 Baltimore,MD 6 N [Tony] A.TOLLE 5 Wacko,TX 6 N THE.OUTLAW 6 East longmeado,MA 6 N [GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG 9 Crown point,IN 6 N R.BOYLES2 11 Gig harbor,WA 6 N [steve] S.EYRSE 14 Charlotte,MI 6 N [Maurice] M.RANDALL2 ** <R.BOYLES2> has left. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> LaserJet 4... arrrgrhhhhh... :( <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Can LaserJet 5 be far behind...? :) <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> You like it eh? <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Man I wonder what the 5 will be like!! prolly 1200 dpi!! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Here it is... <[steve] S.EYRSE> the default confign for the serial port on the HP is for RS-232C serial comm. I would work with RS-422 if needed/ <[Tony] A.TOLLE> RS-232"C".. maybe thats the secret... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If a computer port is configured to emulate DCE... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> or provide the RS232 signals normally provided by a modem,... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> then a terminal (DTE) could be directly connected to the port with a straight... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> through cable. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I just typed that in from a book I've got here. <[steve] S.EYRSE> default baud rate is 9600 <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Any talk of the signals or DTE or DCE there, Steve? <[steve] S.EYRSE> 24522d cable pinout is 1 to1 till 19 -30 then IBM port pin# 18-25, 32(printer)=15 port 36 = 17 Let me check Doug <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> Hmm... think I'm gonna get to bed...... <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Heh, didn't know I was starting a hacker project. :) <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Well thanks for coming, Jim. <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Jim, you're at home now? <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> you bet Tim, it was my pleasure!!! <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> It was a good talk.....a lot of things came out <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> I'll try to pop in more often! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Nice talking to you Jim. <[steve] S.EYRSE> Pacing. DTR/DSR <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> That would be great. <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> yep Doug, for about 3 weeks... <[steve] S.EYRSE> Night jim.. Have a good break..;) <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Getting all these programmers together was interesting <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Okay, do have a nice break. <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> Don't stay out to late with those women <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> LOL Tim!! (I wish) <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> See ya'll later, Merry Christmas!! :) <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> Always wear protection. :) <[steve] S.EYRSE> Women.. we haven't even gotten into THAT> <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> MC, Jim. :) <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> (always practice safe hex) <[Tim] GEOS-TIM> LOL <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> heh.... see ya!! :D <[GUOD-DMC] CMD-DOUG> ::grin: <[steve] S.EYRSE> HEE <[Tony] A.TOLLE> Goodnight Jim... Merry Christmas... ** <[Jimbo] JIM.COLLETTE> has left.