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The Flagship's RTC Conferenece 19920801  11 EST - 1:00+ AM
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Guest Speaker:CMD-DOUG

Attending members:

b.j.
b.pratt4
b.skelly
c.wooten
c128.jbee
chris.p
cmd-doug
d.cozort2
d.dussias
d.kacynski
d.rohner
d.wadleigh
de.goldman
deanf
g.criteser
g.pratt2
goldfiretech
howie-cbm
j.almasol2
jim.collette
l.schonder
m.adams
m.dulski1
p.keller5
p.murdaugh
paul-mb
peter-cpm
r.knop1
r.weems1
s.freedline
s.mazzotta1
shadwell
skiz
t.adams18
t.cripe
th.haberland
ylr.rose


<HOWIE-CBM> Hi Randy

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Wouldn't want to bum anyone out ;D

** <TH.HABERLAND> is here.

<M.ADAMS.> Am I in the right SIG for the president of commodore ?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> yo Howie!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Hey! Kalamazoo, MI! :)

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> HIYAS folks... grab a seat.. preferably one of your
choosing.. and sit down!  :>

** <[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> was <TH.HABERLAND>.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Hi Thomas -

** <[C-A Networks] B.J.> was <B.J.>.

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> Hi all :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> TH.HAB is from Germany!

<HOWIE-CBM> Hey Rob mice tieing together

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1>

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Evening Thomas! :)

<PAUL-MB> Germany!  Halo Thomas! :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Boy - a world wide RTC :D

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Vie gehts?

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> Yes! Sure - why not !?

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) jes slap me if'n I git to wild...  :>

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Randy - you using Dialogue128?  I hve the blank line problem
myself with it some

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> times

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> Doug: thanks, fine :)

** <[C-A Dealer] CHRIS.P> was <CHRIS.P>.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Je ne parle pas Deutche

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Rob - give him JBEE's handydandy solution!

<[C-A Dealer] CHRIS.P> me neither...

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> Thats france ...

<HOWIE-CBM> oh!  Tom from Getmany?  Hi ya Tom!!!

** <[C-A Develope] J.ALMASOL2> was <[morphola] J.ALMASOL2>.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE - don;t know that one.

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Rob, yep, I haven't used the RTC mode of it much

** <GOLDFIRETECH> is here.

** <[C-A Devel] J.ALMASOL2> was <[C-A Develope] J.ALMASOL2>.

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> Hi Howie!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Hi Gold.. :)

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> WELCOME GoldFire!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> up to 24 folks now.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Hi Howie :9

** <[``Mark``] M.DULSKI1> (Sent by 4) A hell of a turnout!!! :D

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Hi Howie :)

** <[Speed Demon] D.DUSSIAS> was <D.DUSSIAS>.

** <DEANF> is here.

<M.ADAMS.>

<PAUL-MB> Hi everyone! :)

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> Hiyas DeanF!

** <D.WADLEIGH> is here.

<GOLDFIRETECH> Hiya just monitoring

<PAUL-MB> Lotsa folks here! :)

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> Hiyas D. Wad

<DEANF> Hi all

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Gold - easier to use a computer with one....

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm...wonder if we'll get a long enough break to
talk! :)

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> ::grin::  ::searchin fer bigger whip!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> yikes!

** <[Don] D.WADLEIGH> was <D.WADLEIGH>.

<HOWIE-CBM> JBEE!!!  :)

** <[C-A User] PETER-CPM> was <PETER-CPM>.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Well - probably go listen only mode for a while so
you can talk a bit and so I

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> can grill ya ;)

<PAUL-MB> Doug, smart money says no ;D

** <[BEN:Leigh's] GOLDFIRETECH> was <GOLDFIRETECH>.

<M.ADAMS.> HEllo Doug...

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> okay - 11:10 we start ...

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) tried a /lis all  wouldnt work...

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> What is O.G.Time right now?

<HOWIE-CBM> hi Peter

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> hey - its a nice Hot Summer Night :D

<PAUL-MB> 4 minutes :)

<[C-A User] PETER-CPM> Hi Howie!

<[Speed Demon] D.DUSSIAS> Hey Doug, Whats with Kalamazoo!??  You heard of it?
:')

<PAUL-MB> Peter - Kind of surprised BRIAN-CPM isn't here! :)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Yes. I'm from Grand Rapids, originally. :)

** <[call me] HOWIE-CBM> was <HOWIE-CBM>.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Speed Demon - a cross between a calamity and a Kazoo.

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) gonna pass the "power" to you
temporarily so you can try it...

<[C-A User] PETER-CPM> So am I;)

<PAUL-MB> Okay, Howie.  What's your number?

** <[AlsoDealer] DEANF> was <DEANF>.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Paul - beat me to it! :D

<PAUL-MB> LOL Rob

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Hope the questions don't get any harder than that. :)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Paul why? is my number up?

<PAUL-MB> Good comeback, Howie. :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Up from what, last yer?

** <B.SKELLY> is here.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> year, not yer

<PAUL-MB> Hi B.Skelly!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Welcome everyone! Think we'll get this thing started.

<[Speed Demon] D.DUSSIAS> I wonder if we will get 50 users here in the RTC?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Hope not - that's our limit for this room :D

<B.SKELLY> [C[C[C[B[C[C[B[CHi All,

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Glad you could all make it...

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) I went ahead and locked the room...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> I'll start off by introducing myself for those of you
who don't know me.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> I'm Doug Cotton, Director of Technical Services for
Creative Micro Designs, Inc.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> As most of you know, we're one of the few companies
still producing new products

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> for the Commodore 64 and 128 computer line.

** <[call me] HOWIE-CBM> (Sent by 17) well at 28 we are prety close to your
wished for 30  :)

<[C-A Dealer] CHRIS.P> ```xx`x

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> And for those of you who don't know, we also have a
support area here on GEnie.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> You can find that area in the Flagship BB, m625;1,
catagory 12.

** <[call me] HOWIE-CBM> (Sent by 17) should we go right to q & A?  to speed
things up?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> did Doug fall asleep?

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> Helloooo out there....

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> I think Doug nodded off again...

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> HaHa Serious?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Nah - slow typist!

<[Jim] JIM.COLLETTE> Doug never sleeps!

<PAUL-MB> Who sleeps? :)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> LOL!!

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) you try it... am passin crown again

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) says room is now unlocked also

<B.SKELLY>

** <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> is here.

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) okie... am no leader agin.. this is
gittin worse and worse

** <[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> (Sent by 7) Can I be heard?

<D.COZORT2> HelloHi. what is going on?

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Current room overflowed - everyone was moved to Room #01 by C128.JBEE
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<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> ohmiga:::::d the host has left

<PAUL-MB> Hi Lou :)

<PAUL-MB> ACK!

Mark``] M.DULSKI1>

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> ::groan::

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Hello?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Okay everyone - we maxed out room #3 - we have to use
this one!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Hello?

<L.SCHONDER> Hi Paul 'n' all!

<P.KELLER5> HAm I here?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> which one?

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> That was a neat trick

<M.ADAMS.> whats going on ?

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) is this something on my end??????

<[``Mark``] M.DULSKI1> Doug's Back!!

<PAUL-MB> Wow.  And I thought watching the Starship Enterprise make a u-turn
was bad!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> hope you guys didn't mind the ride :D

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Doug, turn around!

<[Tom] T.ADAMS18> What's going on

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> What was that listen only deal I saw earlier?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Well, folks, I was typing, but it wasn't getting
through...

<PAUL-MB> Rob, :)

<P.KELLER5> I'm totally confused right now!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> YLR-we didn't lock the door in time - not your fault
:)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> oh oh.. we are locked in

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Okay Doug - ready to begin ....?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Howie LOL!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Okay...how much got missed?

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> GEnie dunt like me...  >;'(

<[Tom] T.ADAMS18> All of it

<P.KELLER5> Same here!

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> That last thing I saw from you was about the CMD area.

Room 1 cannot be locked.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Really? Okay...shorter this time...

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Doug, you stopped at Flagship BB, m625;1

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> right.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> that's what I saw too

** <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> was <L.SCHONDER>.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Oh, that isn't bad. I was pretty much done with the
intro by then. :)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> phew!

<M.ADAMS.> IS any of this stuff abour Amigas?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> what is an Amiga?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> JBEE, did you want to ask anything before I go into
things?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, this isn't Amiga-related.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - nope do you thing ;)

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> M.ADAMS, don'T say "Amiga" around JBEE, he might fly into
a rage!

<M.ADAMS.> ok...

** <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> okay - I will start the Q&A and when finish will
call on people

** <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> that /raise their hands first!

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) I'm ready to switch programs...
Desterm hasnt ever screwed me up this bad before  :<

** <M.ADAMS.> has left.

** <[Speed Demon] D.DUSSIAS>, Job 21 hand is raised.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Okay, folks...it will be formal, so use /raise.

** <[Bruce] B.SKELLY>, Job 28 hand is raised.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Before we start that, though...

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) I dont undrstand why the /lis all
wounldnt work  :<

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> As you all know, we're always working on new things
at CMD...

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> REhi Mark and SF

<M.DULSKI1> SERVICE INTERRUPT :p

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Our next release is this Monday, in the form of
geoCanvas, a new paint program

GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> for use with GEOS. This is 40 column only.

** <[C-A User] PETER-CPM> has left.

** <[CMD RTC - us] C128.JBEE> was <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE>.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> If anyone has any specific questions about it, please
ask. :)

** <[Rob] R.KNOP1>, Job 5 hand is raised.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Okay, lets open up to questions.

** <B.PRATT4> is here.

** <[Speed Demon] D.DUSSIAS> (Sent by 21) Hmmm, I don't recall that msg on the
logon screen saying it was only 8-bit!!!

** <[Brian] B.PRATT4> was <B.PRATT4>.

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> Can you give us some new & special features of
geoCanvas ?

<S.FREEDLINE> How does GeoCanvas differ from GeoPaint?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> good questions

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE>

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Yes...geoCanvas is similar to geoPaint, but has
several additional features...

** <[Argh! No Ami] D.DUSSIAS> was <[Speed Demon] D.DUSSIAS>.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> such as, you may open up to 3 documents at one time,
it has a polygon tool,

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (DD - you're looking for the StarShip)

<[Argh! No Ami] D.DUSSIAS> Bye folks, I thought it
 was AMIGA news!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> ruler tic-marks, ruler measures in 1/100ths of an
inch,

** <M.DULSKI1> (Sent by 4) Will have to catch this on the transcript.  Time to
go!  Nice turnout;)

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> king on.  I believe it was to be called "geoCanvas".  Is
this the same thing?

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> Wooops, sorry.

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> I read an article months ago in geoJournal about a paint
program someone was wor

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> a built-in pattern and brush editor, a full screen
mode, resizable windows,

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> king on.  I believe it was to be called "geoCanvas".  Is
this the same thing?

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> Wooops, sorry.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (Are we supposed to be in raise hands mode?)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> and a lot of other handy features that geoPaint
doesn't have.

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> yes - raise hands - I was trying to avoid putting in
listen only mode

** <[Rob] R.KNOP1>, Job 5 hand is raised.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> The price here in the US will be 34.95 plus shipping.

<S.FREEDLINE> how do we raise hands?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM>  enter /rai

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Use /rai to raise hands.

<M.DULSKI1> Bye, gotta go to work :(

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> <- keeping track ;)  got 5 lined up so far

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Anything else specific you wanted to know about it
Thomas?

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> goahead job 28 :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> That me?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Is job 28 me?

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> No that's me.

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> go ahead job 28 B.Skelly - you had a question for Doug?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Sorry.

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> I was going to ask you about the 'printer' port in the back
of th HD

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Oh yes...there is a program called ScrapCan included
which allows you to copy

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> any comments about when there is going to be support or it

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> and paste scraps up to a page in size WITH COLOR.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> As for the print buffer stuff, no I don't have any
info as to when.

** <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> (Sent by 1) remove my raised hand question already
answered.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> We've been working on a lot of projects which require
Mark's time, and he is

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE>  Go ahead R.Knop :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> OK, I get it.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> the only one who can create that.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Anyway, technical question: what is the file format that
geoCanvas uses?...

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Does it edit geoPaint files, or its own format?

<D.KACYNSKI> howdee JB /help

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> geoCanvas uses the same format as geoPaint. It does
have a utility with it which

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> will allow you to change ownership of geoPaint files
to geoCanvas.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Is the only difference the application name in the header
record?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> That way, when you double-click them they will open
geoCanvas. :)

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Good question Rob!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> I believe so, Rob.

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) I jes wanted to kmow if GEoc would be
faster than GEop,.. I hate Geop cause its so SLOOOOOOOOOOw..  :>

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> OK.  Good deal.  (Thinking about geoPager compatability.)
Thanks.

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Goahead YLR.ROSE

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> There is a special mode in geoCanvas by the way...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Which allows you to set up the window identically to
a geoPaint window...

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Doug - is the toolbox moveable on geoCanvas?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> ...when using DA's, so it will work with NewTools and
geoStamp.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Yes, the toolbox can be moved, and even turned off. :)

** <JIM.COLLETTE> is here.

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> Doug... I have Geop... n I hate it cause it is so
SLOOOOOOOOOw... will GEoc speed things up???

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Go ahead YLR! :)

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Can you move it right - left - or just plain nuke it?

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> I hope it can be turned back on :-)

** <[NoisyLines] JIM.COLLETTE> was <JIM.COLLETTE>.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Well, one thing about geoCanvas...it requires an REU
for operation. That by

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> I dont have all the REU's and such.. a straight
128D...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> itself can speed things up if you put your documents
on it. :)

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> ok.. who's gonna frequent my "corner" so I can buy an
REU.. hheheheeeheh

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> You absolutely must have some form of RAM Expansion
to use this program.

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Doug - does it support Ramlink's DACC?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Yes, absolutely JBEE.

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> thanks Doug... am "workin=" on it... >:d

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Sam Mazzotta

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> YLR, take a good look at a RAMLink when you get a
chance. :)

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Does it work with gateWay?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Yes, but only with the RL1581 or RLDrive drivers. It
is not compatible with the

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> ng on?

<[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> Is this the paint program by Nate Fiedler I read in
geoJournal that he was worki

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Ramdisk drivers or with switcher as yet.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Yes. It is the program by Nate Fiedler.

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question P.Keller5

<P.KELLER5> I was wondering about GateWAY!

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) told ya I wasnt good fer this
"programming" stuff... still mighty proud of bein here though...  HUGS

** <[Lou] L.SCHONDER>, Job 16 hand is raised.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Yes? Anything specific?

<P.KELLER5> The part about using all three drives?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> You can use three drives with gateWay as long as you
have some form of RAM

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) ever feel like a worthless "tit" on a
boar hog..??? hehehehe

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Expansion.

<P.KELLER5> Is thOk, I have the 1750 REU.

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Lou Schonder

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> gateWay gives full support to the third drive - no
more ghost drive. :)

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> When you mentioned 1/100" ruler marks, are you stating that
as the printing resolution, too?

<P.KELLER5> Oh, I see!

** <[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> I am low on "que" questions so /raise your hands or I
will hog the

** <[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> floor :)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No Lou, just the readout. The print quality is still
based on standard GEOS

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> drivers.

** <PAUL-MB> (Sent by 2) OK, would it be inappropriate if I asked about any CMD
hardware? ;D

** <[Bruce] B.SKELLY>, Job 28 hand is raised.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> You can just tell where you are with a littlem more
precision. :)
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<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> OIC

** <[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1>, Job 13 hand is raised.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Any hope of (eventually) using extra memory in a C-256 or a
C-512 as your

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> form of RAM expansion, instead of an REU?

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question R.Knop

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> With what, R

** <[Sambo] S.MAZZOTTA1> has left.

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> ...or a ZipMeg?

<P.KELLER5> And you can use theCan you uuse the REU as an extra drive?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Well, I assume geoCanvas needs more system mem than GEOS
provides, and thus...

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> grabs some banks from the REU.  Could it instead use the extra
memory banks...

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Howie :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> in a 256K or 512K expanded REU/

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Doug - you know - TC128!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (128, not REU)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> It isn't that way now. I wouldn't expect the author
to change it unless there

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Can you give us a sneak-preview of any new hardware
goodies?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> were a lot of machines out there with such mods to
require it. I think a better

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> approach would be to make a driver for geos itself to
use that as RAM expansion.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Then the program wouldn't need special support put in.

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> good point Doug

<[Rob] R.KNOP1>

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Doug - yup, you're right on that one!  Dynamic memory routines
will come soon...

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> but that will be a pr
<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Hardware...hmmmm...I suppose many of you have seen
some rumors?

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> geoCanvas Does it work on both the C-64 and C-128 or are
there different

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> versions?

<PAUL-MB> Heard of one rumor, Doug.  Otherwise, uh, no ;)

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> So have I...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> It works on both, but only in 40 column mode.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> As to the rumors...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> What have you heard?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> ha!

<[NoisyLines] JIM.COLLETTE> LOL!!

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> High density drives

<PAUL-MB> :D

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Hee hee... high density drives, dare I venture?

<PAUL-MB> I thought we were asking the questions here! LOL

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Doug - so if I have Geos 64 and Geos 128 I don't need to
buy two copies?

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question B.Skelly

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> right - that also told here in Germany!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Correct JBEE.

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> pass, it was asked

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Well, I suppose I can swear you all to secrecy?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> How secret is secret? :)

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Of course :-)

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> who am I going to tell

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> I promise!  :)

<PAUL-MB> Depends.  ;D  Sure.

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Suuuuuure.... ;)

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> sure!

<[Tom] T.ADAMS18> I promise (opening buffer).

<P.KELLER5> Ok!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> I promise not to post to Usenet, for example.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Thought I'd get some positive answers to that. Well,
okay...

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> It won7t go any further than Germany  :)

<[NoisyLines] JIM.COLLETTE> I promise nothing... ROFL :)

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> I'll watch Rob

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Bruce - nuts, I'm caught! :) (just kidding)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> We have been quietly devoloping a new hardware
product for some months...

** <[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> anyone got more questions - /raise

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> C128 compatable?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> ...and it is indeed a high density floppy disk drive.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> whoopie!!!!!

<PAUL-MB> Ooooo!

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Cool!

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Doug - would this piece of hardware be able to help back
up a CMD HD?

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> 6200 blocks free!!!!!!

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> details details details   3.5 / 5.25 ?????

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> 3.5" or 5.25"?  Will it be capable of reading MFM (MS-DOS)
drives?

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question R.Knop

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> There will be two models, the FD-2000 and the
FD-4000, both 3.5 inch...

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Projected price? MFM?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> To think, the C128 will have HD floppies before the Amiga!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (MS-DOS disks, not drives, above)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> The FD-2000 will do 800K and 1.6 MB.

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Paul-MB

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> The FD-4000 will do both those and 3.2 MB.

<PAUL-MB> Besides these drives, any upgrades to existing products (HD, RL,
RD... ;) ?

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> 3.2 MB?  Quad density?

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Doug - so it will be really the 4.0 meg IBM type drives
... ?

<[NoisyLines] JIM.COLLETTE> Rob, the A3000 had HD drives standard for a while...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> It is also backward compatible with the 1581, and
will read it's disks.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> 3.2 MB   GADS!!!

<PAUL-MB> WOW!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (Jim- C= denys that, though, don't they?)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> It also emulates the HD and RL operating systems, so
it is partitionable.

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> Back to $$$ ?

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> Doug - will CMD provide any kind of new backup utility to
make it faster for

<[NoisyLines] JIM.COLLETTE> (people were using them, I don't know how C= can
deny that!! LOL)

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> CMD HD backups?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> On the HD backups, we are hoping to release such a
program with the unit.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (Jim- I heard the same thing, but also that C= wouldn't admit
they were there)

<[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE> how will it work???

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> JBEE I am sure it will have JiffyDos.  No?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> As for price, I don't want to get into specifics, but
the targets are around

<PAUL-MB> <drum roll>

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> <sweating palms>

** <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> was <[CMD RTC] C128.JBEE>.

Name is now [*Your Host*] C128.JBEE.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> the $200 to $250 range for the FD-2000, and a little
over $300 for the 4000.

<PAUL-MB> Wow!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> It will have JiffyDOS built-in, yes.

<[Tom] T.ADAMS18> WOW!!!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Cheaper than I got my 1541 way back when.

<PAUL-MB> I can actually afford that! :D

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - so we will be able to read even the 4.0 IBM
disks too!

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> those are good prices

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> I can't say how the backup program will work at this
time...haven't seen it.

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Lesse, CMD's HDs have a parallel option right, how
about the FD-2000/4000?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - will it be downward compatible (3.2 meg drive
reads 1.6 and 1581?)?

<[Don] D.WADLEIGH> OH! Sounds great!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> The author wouldn't happen to be present...?

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> Soooo, how far in the future are we talking ( I have a
Birthday coming )?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> As for the IBM disks...it won't be able to read them
without some utility...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> ...just like the 1581.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> will someone write a CP/M driver so we can use its full
capacity?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> But it is in principle possible?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (if it is possible, it will be done, I bet)

<[NoisyLines] JIM.COLLETTE> There will probably be more 8-bitters using the ED
drives than PC users! Don't think they're really all that popular yet.

** <T.CRIPE> is here.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> There is no parallel option planned. Release is
scheduled for this fall.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> BBR just came out with a version 4/0, so it looks like
there may be a 5.0

<PAUL-MB> Just in time for my birthday too :D

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> okay - lets try to use PROTOCAL!!!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No idea on the CP/M...it probably won't be us, Howie.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question P.Keller5

** <PAUL-MB> (Sent by 2) That's protocol ;)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Okay, lets get back to normal here. :)

<T.CRIPE> M8025

<P.KELLER5> Yes, how about making a GeoPublish 128 80 column?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (T.cripe - type /exit)

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Cripes! ;)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> There is someone who is planning on doing just
that...we've talked to him about

<[GuestSpeaker] Cuct if it happens.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Paul-MB

<PAUL-MB> What about compatibility on the HD drives?

<P.KELLER5> Yes!!  I sure hope so!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> What about it Paul? With what?

<P.KELLER5> Trying to look at GeoPublish in 40 column mod
** <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> if you have a question get in que now with /raise

<PAUL-MB> I mean, will it be universally compatible with...well, everything? :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - does geoCanvas run in 80 columns???

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> poor Noisy

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> You mean the FD? With just about everything that the
1581 works with, yes.

<PAUL-MB> Great! :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Tom Adams

<[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Can you list the differences between geoPaint and geoCanvas?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Tom, it would be too extensive to do here...I'll put
such info in the BB soon.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Randy Weems

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - does geoCanvas have the ability to rotate a
whole picture?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> re Noisy

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> What about DOS upgrades for them...there are bound to
be bugs, will you have to replace an EPROM or something to upgrade?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No JBEE, it has no rotate features at all.

** <[no-more-dump] JIM.COLLETTE> was <JIM.COLLETTE>.

** <[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> was <[no-more-dump] JIM.COLLETTE>.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> The FD is ROM based, like Commodore drives. The
reason we have kept it quiet for

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> so long is so that we could do more extensive testing
than we've ever done
 before on hardware products...prior to release. We
don't expect to see any real
<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> bad bugs.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - I understand you have been extensively testing
it for MONTHS??? true?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Robert Knop :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Q for JBEE and Paul-MB as well as Doug: any hope of a detailed
preview/review

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> of geoCanvas and/or the FD drives in TC64/TC128 or MB soon?

** <[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 9) ::WAVE::.. I'm outa here. totall loly
lostl.......

<PAUL-MB> Rob, if we get a REVIEW COPY <hint hint> sure :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Robert - you bet!

<PAUL-MB> Or review unit :)  Generally, in other words, yes :)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Leave me some mail Paul, I'll get one out right away.

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Need a beta tester for an FD-4000 by any chance? :-)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Tc128 has always been first on that kind of stuff :)

<[* Mistress *] YLR.ROSE> byee folks!!!!!!!!!!! :*

<PAUL-MB> Niters YLR!

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Nite, Yeller!

** <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> to ask a question in "que" type /raise

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Nite Rose!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> As for the FD, I think the first review will be in
either the NOV/DEC or JAN/FEB

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> issue of RUN.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - yo mean you won't let me scoop them???

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> :D

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE - ... no, I can't say it. :)

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Well, since you're stuck, I'll beta test the FD for you! ;D

** <[BEN:Leigh's] GOLDFIRETECH>, Job 26 hand is raised.

<PAUL-MB> Same question JBEE posed here ;D

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Well, depends on timing JBEE, but they're in position
to publish one that soon.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> How soon you can publish one will depend on how soon
you can get one.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> And they are pretty scarce right now. :)

** <[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1>, Job 6 hand is raised.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question GOLDFIRETECH

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Randy

<[BEN:Leigh's] GOLDFIRETECH> I hate to disturb you with this any news on the
AMiga front (ducjking_

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - is there anyone I can bribe??? :D

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> arg...

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Doug, I'm kinda courios about CMD itself. "who" is
CMD.  There wouldn't happen to be some the original engineers that developed
the 64/128 working for CMD?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> None I've heard. Actually, we have NO plans for doing
anything on the Amiga.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Gold - that "A" word isn't allowed here! :D

<PAUL-MB> Yay :)

<[BEN:Leigh's] GOLDFIRETECH> Thanks

** <[BEN:Leigh's] GOLDFIRETECH> has left.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> hey, no anti-Amiga talk!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> hee he

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> ha!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> oops - hope he didnt take that the wrong way ...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, we have no ex-CBM personnel.

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> How about access sped on these FD's? Equal or better than an
'81 with JiffyDOS?

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER>                                     ^speed

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Actually, we're quite small. We have only one
permanent engineer, which is Mark

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Fellows who founded the company. We do contract
others from time to time, such

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> small in staff, big in impact....

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> as we did to help with the FD hardware design.

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> You wouldn't happen to need a good electrical
engineer that is extensively familiar with the 64/128 line any time soon? (hint
hint)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Speed access is typically a little faster than the 81.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - you are the main tech person, right?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> I have a new product announcement (small) if you
people want to hear about it

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Not right now we don't, Randy. But never hurts to
send a resume.

<PAUL-MB> JBEE - Fire away! :)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> i *DO*

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> The ZIPBOARD!!!!

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> Go

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> just kiddin'

** <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> meanwhile que up inline for questions with /raise

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> History question - when did CMD get started?  Was it with
JiffyDOS, and

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> can we tell about this one?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> OOPS....

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Didn't mean to do that.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Go ahead, JBEE...my middle finger was beginning to
bind up anyway. :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Robert - you were next
anyway!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> okay - text is coming ....

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> As I was trying to PREPARE, I was wondering what yar CMD got
started, and if

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> it was with JiffyDOS?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> year, not yar

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> CMD started with JiffyDOS yes, about 1987. It was
sold by Mark and his wife

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> originally in 1986 under the company name Fellows,
Inc.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> So, not long after the 128 came out.  (1985)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Mark was actually trying to design a MIDI cart for
the 64 when he came up with

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> the JiffyDOS routines to help speed up development.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> A user from a local group saw that in action, and the
rest is history.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Great!  Nothing like finding out your secondary tools are
winners in and

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> of themselves.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Never did finish the MIDI cart. :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Any plans to try to do that?

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> You mean like GeoMIDI :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> name huh? Anyway the mouse is really neato!  One of
those ergo mouses with big

** <[call me] HOWIE-CBM> (Sent by 17) 14 still here after 1:15 hours  :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> It is called "MOUSE 64/128"  Catclked about it from ti
me to

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> comfy buttons - works just like a 1581 only better
because its opti-mech and

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> runs real smooth - the kicker ..... it has a switch
to turn it on into joystick

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> mode anytime you want!  A big bonus using Pagefox and
such or when changing

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> keep our products more 'general' in appeal.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> drivers under Geos you don't have to unplug anything
or reset the computer/end

<PAUL-MB> JBEE, a new mouse!  Hey great!  My 1351 is dying :)

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> You mean 1351?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> BTW:works GREAT with Geos and I even played (in port
#2) Astra Invaders with it

<PAUL-MB> If it works like a 1581 and has a joystick mode, Rob, we're in
trouble :D

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Wow, a 3.5" DD in a mouse!

Job 29, is Dekalb,IL 1 <D.COZORT2>.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Paul - hee hee!

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> 1351 is opti-mech too, isn't it?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> next question in QUE is D.COZORT" - Go ahead

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (Jim - the M3 is, I too that one apart)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Which reminds me...the FD's are actually smaller than
the 1581. :)

<PAUL-MB> Great to hear, Doug.  I have 0 desk space :)

<D.COZORT2> Is there anything in the C65 that could be turned into add -on
product(s) for the C128?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (Paul - is the printer already on th floor?)

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> External power supply I guess?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> The C65 (really dubbed the 64DX) didn't have much
that doesn't already exist.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> The exceptions were that it had a faster processor,
and better video chip.

** <[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> (Sent by 4) Sure... think it should be ready fairly
soon.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Other than that, it just had more memory, a built-in
1581, and two SIDs.

** <[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1>, Job 6 hand is raised.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> I have another small product annoucement that might
interest you Geos folk ...

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE - shout it out!

<PAUL-MB> Let's hear it!  :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> text coming on ...

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> TC-128 is just about done with a

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> disk driver for all those 1541 format compatible
drives that Geos hates!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> With JiffyDos you will be in 7th heaven using drives
like the MSD !

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Might even work with drives 0/1  /end

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go Ahead with your question Robert Knop

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Great, wonder who wrote that! :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> :)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> did doug do his announcement?

<[Bruce] B.SKELLY> Night All, Had fun at my first RTC  --  Thanks!

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> How about device number switching with the FD?

<PAUL-MB> Nite Bruce!

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Nite, Bruce!

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Nite Bruce

<[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Nite Bruce

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Go ahead with your question Randy

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> The FD has a SWAP button for SWAP 8 and 9, and device
selection other than that

** <[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> to ASK a question type /raise and I will call on
you in que

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Doug, has CMD considered developing a video card
(24-bit color!)?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> is handled by rear panel dip switches, like the 81.
FD allows 8 - 15.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, Randy. Never have considered that at all. We
have, however, been approached

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> about carrying a gen-lock for the 64, both a b/w and
a color version.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Randy - we have been tossing that question around
lately - did you see the news

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> about that external VDC board in Tc128 #32?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> show paul-mb

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> OOPS

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> These products are already developed by the way, but
we have not made any

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> No, I don't have a subscription to TC128 (yet!).

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> decision about them.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - is this the $300 one?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Forgot a slash, experimenting with /help commands. Sorry!

<PAUL-MB> Show PAUL-MB what, Rob? ;)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> :)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Probably would be around that much for the color
version, JBEE.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> The b/w one could be around $200.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> You can buy (this was a BB topic) genlocks for the
C-128 for IBMs -cost $300

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Our understanding is that the output is actually
better than those for the Amiga

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> was going to buy for the bulk purchase but noone
showed a real interest

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> These were made specifically for the 64.

<[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> Folks, it's time for me ... it was very nice to meet
you and I'll try to visit more Geos  RTCs here. Night all :)

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Nite, Tom!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - will geoCanvas work and alternate between a
mouse and joystick at the

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> same time?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Night Thomas...good to see you!

<PAUL-MB> Gute nacht, Thomas!

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> (take care Thomas!)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Goodnight Tom :)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Nite Thomas.  Nice seeing you live!  :)

** <[Thomas] TH.HABERLAND> has left.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Not that I know of, JBEE.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> But then, I've never tried such a thing.

<PAUL-MB> Well folks, this has been a VERY exciting evening!  I'm going to head
out now.  Remember to stop by category 15 topic 3 of the FlagShip ;D

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Okay - I know Doug is tired - how about a open floor
for the next 3 minutes

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Sounds good to me! :)

<PAUL-MB> Nite all! :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> and then we will close to offer him some finger
resting :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Bye paul!

18> Nite Paul

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Night Paul :)

** <PAUL-MB> has left.

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Stretching out on open floor...ZZZZZZZ...

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> mite Paul

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> I was wondering about C65; it was never released, was it?

<D.COZORT2> How is the Zip board going?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> The mite in Paul's eye...

** <[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> (Sent by 7) Probably :)

<SHADWELL> John..will there be a transcript of this conference? I didn't ge till
 12:20 :(

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> D.C. - could be a lot better - no new news until I
meet them last week of

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> August

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> LOL

** <[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> (Sent by 7) And they heard it on GEnie first! :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Hope it's good news.  Where is ZIP located?

<D.COZORT2> Would one extra committed buyer help?

** <[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> (Sent by 6) I'd like to try converting that
shugart drive if you still need someone.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> wasn't c65 releasee in Europe?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, the 64DX never made it to final beta.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Incidentally, anyone who will be in So. Cal at the end of
August, e-mail

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> me about a C= show that will be happening August 30.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Culver City

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> D.C. every buyer would help - no so much the money -
but the support

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Is that the one in a Holiday Inn or something?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE - is that Culver City CA?  How far is that from LA?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> first I've heard of that Rob.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Doug - I think so.  Run by Scott Young.  CMD will be there?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Howie - where are you located?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Not that I know of.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> BTW: what did you guys think of the Si-Fi flyer with
Tc128?

<D.COZORT2> What killed the 64Dx?

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> I think CMD was planning to be at the lst one he tried to put
together

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> I'm in NYC Rob

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> (though he never got it)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE - I didn't see that flyer.... where was it?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> CA is too far to travel without knowing there will be
a VERY large turnout.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> flyer JBEE?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> CMD didn't even go to the WOC out there.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> You mean the one coming up this year?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Rob - inside the plastic bags - I sent you one first
class - your other one

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> should be coming shortly

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> WoC=World of Amiga!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE... Oh, OK.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> NO!! YOu tricked me into saying that word!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> WOC is in my home town this yer.

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> I liked the flyer, JBEE. Our service doesn't have the Sci-Fi
Channel yet.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Hee hee.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, there was a WOC there about 3 years ago.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> That was L<A, I believe.  This year is Pasadena.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> In t
<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Lou - give your local service a call so you can
Dr.Who and Si-Fi :)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> I have the impression that WOC is mostly Amiga stuff
nowadays....

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Haven't been to one yet though.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> It is now, yes.

<[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Well guys I'm going to call it a night!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> But 3 years ago still supported 8-bitters?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> I missed the one last Spring in NY  :)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> We have been about it for 8-bit at the last couple we
went to.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Nite Tom!

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> It's coming, JBEE. Oct 1st, I think.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> You didn't miss much Howie.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Smallest show I've ever seen.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> We'll have to see if C= announces high density drives for the
Amiga at WOC! :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Okay - so who agreed with the "Amiga/Commodore dead"
column that ran in almost

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> all the national papers?"

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> I didn't see it.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> I didn't see that column... saw the response from CBM
though.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - yo got to buy the local rag more often :D

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> I didn't either!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> C= may try to kill the Amiga like they tried to kill the C128,
but I don't

<D.COZORT2> I didn't. The guy didn't even try to prove his point.

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> think they'll succeed any better with the Amiga than they did
with the 128.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> All sounds like a crock of horse manure to me...

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> I can only write...can't read! :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Actually the guy hit it right on the head - same
support story on the Amiga

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> they had on the 8 bits.

<D.COZORT2> He just made the statement, then rehashed the kind of bitching that
he all do on here about C=

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> (though he didn't come right out and say it)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> I though in C='s response they should have mentioned
their 1-800 service!

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> I don't see how or why CBM would possibly kill off the
Amiga...

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> C= has 1-800 service?

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> (and used a spell checker)

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Jim - maybe they're going to go back to filing cabinets!

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM>  yes!  the 800 number is a big change

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> Well, folk, it's been virtual.  I need to get moving.

<D.COZORT2> Actually, CCommodore has supported the Amiga, enormously better
than they ever did the C128, even in 85.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> They don't have to try to do that Jim, it is just a
side-effect of their

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> marketing strategy.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> ROFL! Our school used to have a Commodore filing
cabinet. I got such a kick out of it! Also used to know another kid who had a
Commodore watch... played a tune!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Rob- yep

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Nite Rob!!

<[Rob] R.KNOP1> See y'all!

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Take care Rob!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> see ya!

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> LOL Doug! True, they can't market worth a damn.

<D.COZORT2> Not well, but a lot better than the C128.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> well they do manage to sell them (speaking of all
their machines) they just

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> don't sell enough of them!

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> I think they sold more 128's than Amigas

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> not usre tho

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> sure

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, they have sold more Amiga's now...but they've had
twice as long to do it.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> How many 128s did they sell?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> 2 megs I think

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Ab

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Howie I heard the C-128 figure was 4mill and I tht thi
s

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> year - we sat down and tried to figure the C64 from
stock holders reports and

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> came up with about 14mill

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Yep, they're over 3 million Amigas now.

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> That's what I heard too, 2 MEG

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> They sold 2 million by 1987!  It was in a record book
along with the C64 as the

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> best selling computer models that year

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> I wonder how many 64s are still being used worldwide.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> oh!  then it is more

<G.CRITESER> It's been interesting nite all.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> I agree G.C. :)

<D.COZORT2> It has been great.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> I bet they will sell a ton more C64s this year

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<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> ...and a long one.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> We figure at least 10% are still in use.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> BSW must still be making a bundle from Geos!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Which is probably a low figure.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Just 10%? I'd hope it's more than that!

<SHADWELL> I hear that the 64 is very popular in Eastern Europe.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug, don't forget the 2% at Exxon ;)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> I think more maybe.  There are lots in use as hand-downs
to relatives, etc

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> We prefer to be pessimistic. :)

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> GEOS isn't still bundled with 64s is it?  Did BSW get
a royalty on every 64 sold with GEOS?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Makes sales vs. sales projections look better that
way.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> We probably only reach 10% - which brings up a
marketing plan we have been

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> tossing around I have to tell you guys about next
week.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Actually as far as I know I think it is still bundled.
Not sure what the arrangemenet between BSW/CBM was on that.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Randy - I imagine they did!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No it isn't. That stopped quite a long time ago.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> I bet Geos sold a LOT of C-64s!

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Not bundled, Doug
<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, that stopped when I was still with Abacus.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Really? Wow... (shows how much I know! ROFL)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Actually + it stopped with the C64C didn't it? Not
sure?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> then there must be a big untapped market

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER> I'm going to call it a night. Thanks guys!

<[Lou] L.SCHONDER>

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Night Lou! :)

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Oh, I thought it started with the 64C!

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Nite Lou

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Take care Lou!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Goodnight Lou :)

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> I though one of the main selling points of the 64C
was GEOS.

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<D.COZORT2> You know, with that many users out there you would think that a
follow-on like the C65 would sell.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, it was bundled with the 64C for a while.


<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> D.C - what we know and what other people know are two
different things

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> With the right marketing, I think a C65 would.


<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> I think their main market for it wouldnt buy it (8
bitters)

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Yeah, that's true... half the 8-bitters these days
don't seem to want to have anything more to do with CBM.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> I think they might - but maybe not from Commodore
anymore.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> It's a shame.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> could have been the Apple GS of the C= world ?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Well, you can't blame users for not wanting to dump
their software. :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> true - software ends up costing 10x more than the
hardware usually!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Especially on the current alternatives.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> besides - you have to go a ways to top programs like
paperclip and geopublish

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> and the new things coming out are pretty nifty. like ZED

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> if the C65 was 100% C64 compatible AND accelerated
with enhanced features it

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> probably would have been an easy sell.

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> How about Zsounds? $10 for a 4 bit digitizer!

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> I think the 100% compatibility would be impossible
right there though. (but it sure would have been nice!)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> $10 for 4 bits seems steep! :)

<D.COZORT2> How compatible was it (C65)?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> LOL

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> which by the way is now a TC128 Article #33 ;) with
source code :) ^

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> You can build an 8-bit digitizer for $10-$15 or so I
think...

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Speaking of Zounds...finally a sound digitizer/player
that does it right!  WHY does digiplayer use delay loops rather than the 6526's
timers?

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> (I've got one here somewhere!)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - you know why they call it TAXachusetts  now
-lol

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> (grin)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Jim, you ready for your trip?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> where to?

-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> No, but I never am ready for anything!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Randy - beats me - can't fault Mark though - a

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> only digiplayer widely available.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Out to taxachusetts to see CMD, Howie.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> LOL!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Heh, just wondered if you had it arranged yet. :)

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> (like we're good ones to talk about the tax stuff...)

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<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Nice thing about Digiplayer is the ability to import
a lot of different formats

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> I know you'll sleep all the way here. :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Hi GP :)

<G.PRATT2> Hello.

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Dad called up my uncle tonight Doug, I guess
everything is OK (he wasn't complaining about anything, at least!)...

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Doug - show Jim a good time and take him to Roxbury
and Dorchester ;)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> (grin)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> or even Lynn ;D

<D.COZORT2> Nice chatting with you all.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Nah, wouldn't want to drag him way out there!

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<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> nice chatting with you D.C :)

<G.PRATT2> What is new with CMD?

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> What's out there?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> in Lynn?  JBEE

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> We'll just dunk him in the Connecticut river. :)

** <[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> (Sent by 6) My phone # is [phone].

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Oh!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> G.P. - you missed it by about 2 hours!  The
transcript will be live in a week

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> or so!

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> LOL Doug, I dunno about THAT!!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Heh, bring a suit. Charlie says we're going out in
the boat. :)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> di you fix that bad leak doug?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> How much, Jim? (hit the throttle)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> don't bring cement golashes ;)
<SHADWELL> Nite all :)

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> Really? Cool! (got to look and see if I've got one!
haven't been in water in a long time!)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Nite Shad

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Well, it isn't really water... :)

<[I-quit!] JIM.COLLETTE> ROFL!! Don't tell me we're going out to a toxic waste
pond!

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> Oooo I am getting a crAving for lobster

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Howie - go to MacDonalds :D

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<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> No, it isn't too bad where we go...up-stream from
Springfield. :)

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Well, I'm out of here folks.

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> not saltddoug?

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Those of you left, thanks for stopping in. :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Ya - 1:00!

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> okey Nite Doug and THANKS!!!

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> (grin)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> a BIG Thank you to you Doug :))))))))))))))))))))

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> 'night Doug.

<[GuestSpeaker] CMD-DOUG> Okay folks. Nite...or Morning! :)

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<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> terrif conf JBEE

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Glad you liked it - I have more "industry" names for
more hot summer nights :)

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<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Just setting up their press accounts sometime next
week

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> I cannot wait  :)

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Howie - you have too ;D

<[Randy-geoGIF] R.WEEMS1> Have you heard of FLI graphics JBEE?

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> LOL

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> time for me to go.  Nite guys!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Well - we got (5) new product annoucements in

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> (2) CMD drives GeoCanvas (1) mouse (1) 1541 generic
driver - not too bad for

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> one night!

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> Goodnight Howie :)

<[call me] HOWIE-CBM> nite  :)

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<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> re:FLI Flexible Line whatever - yes - I have a few
demos

<[*Your Host*] C128.JBEE> hold on - turning off my buffer