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************ Topic 41 Wed Mar 09, 1994 RHHAYDEN [Robert H.] (Forwarded) Sub: Hitchhiker's Guide Will the Hitchhiker's Guide to GEOS be uploaded? How about other text files? 22 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 1 Thu Mar 10, 1994 CMD-DOUG (Forwarded) I would very much doubt that the Hitchhiker's Guide will be uploaded - it would all have to be typed in. CMD does have copies of this available for sale, though. I have no idea what the price is, but I don't expect it's cheap, considering the size. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 2 Fri Mar 11, 1994 C.TAYLOR37 [C=Hacking] (Forwarded) Uh, I at one time downloaded the HitchHiker's Guide in electronic form. I have no idea where the original files are but I know that they do exist (somewhere... actually I may know where...). I'll check tonight and upload it if I find it. But they do exist in electronic from ..... - Craig Taylor (C.Taylor37, duck@pembvax1.pembroke.edu) ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 3 Fri Mar 11, 1994 M.RANDALL2 [Maurice] (Forwarded) That's not the guide that is being referred to Craig. The Hitchhiker's Guide to GEOS was released by GeoWorks in it's unfinished form, but nearly complete. This was supposed to have been the sequel to the Official GEOS Programmer's Reference Manual. For any serious GEOS programming, both of these should be had. There is material in one that is not contained in the other. The manual you are thinking of I think originally appeared on QLink and was known as the GEOS Technical Manual. This was created before Berkeley released their own. It was originally in a sequential text format and later someone converted it into a GeoWrite format. I think it is still on QLink. I haven't looked to see if it is on here. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 4 Sat Mar 12, 1994 J.ROBBINS16 [JBUS] (Forwarded) He was probably thinking about the bits and pieces of the geoprogrammer 2.0 Beta info that is in the sfx to the geoprogrammer upgrade pkg.. That wasn't the guide itself, just a small piece of it. It was on Q, but is also here, just not what they were looking for. It was previously being sent to you Free by GeoWorks if you requested it, but not anymore. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 5 Sat Mar 12, 1994 M.RANDALL2 [Maurice] (Forwarded) I think you are right, I forgot about that particular file. That one would be of no use to anyone wishing to do GEOS programming, other than maybe to understand a little more about the workings of GeoProgrammer. Thanks for the correction JBUS. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 6 Sat Mar 12, 1994 C.TAYLOR37 [C=Hacking] (Forwarded) I know which guide you're talking about - R.Knop had it on his FTP site (before it got xferred to ccnga.uwaterloo.edu under pub/cbm/geos)... I've tried for the last day and a half to get over there and get it but the link to the outside world is down at my site and prob. won't be back up until someone comes in after the weekend. The other document you were referring to (Geos Tech Manual) I think is also available there... ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 7 Sun Mar 13, 1994 RHHAYDEN [Robert H.] (Forwarded) Craig, These files at the FTP site, can I request them through the INTERNET RT? Robert Hayden ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 8 Mon Mar 14, 1994 H.HERMAN1 (Forwarded) Robert, You can probably get them by using a fileserver. Or, more easilly, by asking a Sysop of the INET RT to get it for you. I seem to recall seeing their postings that they would be doing this for anyone who requested. Howie ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 9 Mon Mar 14, 1994 C.TAYLOR37 [C=Hacking] (Forwarded) Actually I'll be uploading them to the library later tonight. I checked at the FTP site (ccnga.uwaterloo.edu under pub/cbm/os/geos/PROGRAMMING) and found a file called: hitchhiker.arc or something similair that was approximately 60k arc'd. I'm not sure if this was the one that was mentioned as being released w/ GeoProgrammer V2.0 on diskette but regardless, I don't believe it's in the library currently and I'll be uploading it. (As a side note not related to this - I'll also be uploading ACE version 9 - but that's another topic area...) As far as downloading or getting files from FTP sites through the InterNet - I need to look into this - I'm blessed with an InterNet account through school but I do know there are some sites where you mail them with the site name and file and they will automatically grab it for you, uuencode it and send it via regular e-mail. Uuencoding is a process whereby binary (executable) files can be transferred to text and safely sent through regular e-mail. Running a program that "uudecodes" this text (such as ACE or UUXFER) will transform the mail back into an executable program. Someone has already asked me concerning this and I'll send you email regarding the correct way to go about this and also update my INETGDV1.DOC that I recently uploaded here (an InterNet guide focusing on C= computers...) ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 10 Mon Mar 14, 1994 GEOS-TIM (Forwarded) INET guide sounds interesting.......I'll have to DL it. It is a needed addition. :) -Tim ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 11 Tue Mar 15, 1994 C.TAYLOR37 [C=Hacking] (Forwarded) Actually I checked again at the site and I misread the filename... it dosn't seem to be the hitchiker's guide (embaressed look) - Instead I've uploaded : geoproginfo.arc - Some details and informatin about the GeoProgrammer V2.00 project (which never was released...) Sorry about this folks... ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 12 Tue Mar 15, 1994 H.HERMAN1 (Forwarded) Robert, I too have FTP access, so have not done much directly with any of the several available mail servers. (As an aside, when I perused the Internet RoundTable here it seemed pretty apparant that the RT is relying on a server to gather INet files for users on GEnie. Not 100% certain since the user on GEnie is shielded from much of the system's innards by a user friendly menu system, which considering all things is a nifty way of doing things.) As far as speedy access to files, and ease, nothing can beat direct downloads from Genie's Libraries. Especially y-modem batch of multiple files. However, if you are still interested in experimenting with the servers which Craig referred to, try sending an email over INet as follows: to: rjc@math.princeton.edu@INET# Subject: Command <---type it exactly, capital 'C', rest small case In the body of the email insert: send help send starter.kit send faq.csip end Do _NOT_ add anything after the word 'end'. No signature, nothing!!! As the message states, this will give you plenty of info, provided that this server is still operating...... :/ Howie ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 13 Mon Mar 21, 1994 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) > M.RANDALL2 [Maurice] at 21:18 EST > The Hitchhiker's Guide to GEOS was released by GeoWorks in it's unfinished > form, but nearly complete. But who actually owns the rights to it, Geoworks still? ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 14 Mon Mar 21, 1994 M.RANDALL2 [Maurice] (Forwarded) Here's a little bit of what is on the first page of the Hitchhiker's Guide: The Hitchhiker's Guide to GEOS A Potpourri of Technical Programming Notes (provided "as is" without support) Copyright 1988,1989 Berkeley Softworks This is a copyrighted work and is not in the public domain. However, you may use, copy, and distribute this document without fee, provided you do the following: * You display this page prominently inall copies of this work. * You provide copies of this work free of charge or charge only a distribution fee for the physical act of transferring a copy. Please distribute copies of this work as widely as possible. So, from this you can see that Berkeley Softworks has released this publication with full permission to copy it in it's entirety without asking as long as the only charge is the copying cost. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 15 Mon Mar 21, 1994 CMD-DOUG (Forwarded) Actually, it's a bit stickier than that now, Maurice - distribution rights to the Hitchhikers Guide To GEOS is now in our hands. And while I haven't been instructed to inform anyone NOT to pass it around, I do know that page you're quoting from has now been replaced by on without such a statement. I believe this is partly for legal reasons, since we have the distribution rights, but do not have the right to assign such rights to anyone else. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 16 Wed Mar 23, 1994 M.RANDALL2 [Maurice] (Forwarded) Oh, sorry about that Doug. However, the biggest problem is in trying to make copies of that big document while keeping the cost within reason. Since CMD has the distribution rights to the Hitchhiker's Guide, why not try to obtain the rights to the Programmer's Ref Manual (the original) also? A GEOS programmer really needs both in order to be productive. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 17 Thu Mar 24, 1994 CMD-DOUG (Forwarded) We've persued that, Maurice. The 'rights' to it are currently in a grey zone. Bantam had the rights, but they claim that they sold rights to ALL of their computer-related books to another publishing firm several months ago. The other publishing firm has no record of obtaining the rights to this specific title, though they admitted they may have them but it simply doesn't show up in their records because it isn't a title they intend to reprint. Meanwhile, the actual copyright would appear to belong to Berkeley Softworks, now known as Geoworks. They, however, have no record of this either, and appear to be unaware that they even wrote the book (at least our contact there isn't aware of it). It all boils down to trying to get distribution rights, when nobody wants to claim ownership... ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 18 Thu Mar 24, 1994 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) Not to mention once HP and Novell aquire their equity shares in Geoworks, it might be next to impossible to cut the red tape to convince them to let the rights go on another product. If it is not done soon, it probably never will be. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 19 Fri Mar 25, 1994 S.EYRSE [steve] (Forwarded) Gee Guys I don't think that the Hitchickers was EVER "published" I know the copy that I got was just zeroxed off by BSW. I sent $25 to a Regina with a note and got this box of 8x10 pre-punched sheets. I just looked for the "fly sheet", but it is trashed and missing. It seems to me that there was a note on it to the effect that one could copy and distribute but ONLY for the cost of the copies and postage. Perhaps some one who has a less abused copy could verify this. Just went back and read Maurice's note to that effect and Dougs responce that the page now hasn't that note on it. But as ours did, Doug, would that mean that we Could make copies? BSW hasn't contacted me other wise, anymore than they have sent a card saying you now are the company to contact for product and help. If that is the case then it would seem that BSW has already given up most of the rights to it. Hitchicker is totaly different than the Programer Book that was published. It has "confidential" stamps on pages that deal with Desktop and Paint information. There are footnotes handwritten in as how things don't work the way the printing says it will. Then there are huge areas that make reference to appendixes that aren't there. While other spots are blank in text, with the information penciled in. Plus some pages having the wrong title at the top. Even so it is a grand bit of GEos programing information. With the programer ref. out of print it is all that is left. For those who want to know more of the inside of Geos the "OLD" Geostechman.arc by A. Boyce, while dated will give one a look into the workings of Geos. These would be files 2896, 2895, 2894 in our lib# 35. Perhaps the answer is to "update" the techman via hitchiker to be correct in terms (for that is the area it is off) and information on what is destroyed by the various jumps. Would be a place to start. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 20 Sun Mar 27, 1994 L.VICKERS [Larry] (Forwarded) <We've persued that, Maurice... There may be another means of obtaining the GEOS Programmers Reference Guide. Barnes and Noble remaindered the unsold stock from Bantam. As recently as a year ago I was able to buy a new copy from them. Purhaps CMD could just re- remainder Barnes and Noble Direct's unsold stock? The information that I used to order my copy is: The Official GEOS PROGRAMMERS REFERENCE GUIDE (item #1686401) Barnes & Noble Direct One Pond Road Rockleigh, New Jersey 07647 order dept. 1-800-242-6657 Dina/Customer Service 201-767-8844 I don't know if the information is still current or what their inventory might be but its worth a shot. ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 21 Wed Aug 03, 1994 M.KARNOWSKI (Forwarded) I would like to ask anyone, but especially CMD Doug if they have any knowledge of any Apple II programming information or technical data released by GeoWorks. I have both the reference guide and the Hitchh kers guide (also received in the box, with the proviso sheet) but the Apple II info is fairly sketchy--incomplete listing of major equates etc. Did CMD acquire any Apple documentation that could be released? Thanks.*s ------------ Category 6, Topic 41 Message 22 Wed Aug 03, 1994 CMD-DOUG (Forwarded) Nope, I'm afraid not. Geoworks has pretty much disowned the Apple version, and I doubt you'll find anyone there who really knows much about it now. If there's an active company in the Apple market, Geoworks would probably be game to license distribution, as they did with us and the Commodore versions. But I wouldn't expect ANY technical info from them; we didn't even get so much as a Programmers Reference Guide, let alone anything more detailed than that. ------------ 6 ? ************ Topic 45 Sun Dec 25, 1994 J.BARBER9 [Dan Barber] at 21:43 EST Sub: Tims timer question I just got a tims timer from mystic jim (second hand) and it does not seem to work. I cannot get it to keep a seting. All I get back it a bunch of @'s and a very few numbers. Not even close to the date. This is with the power on. Do 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 6, Topic 45 Message 1 Sun Dec 25, 1994 J.BARBER9 [Dan Barber] at 21:47 EST should I reset it like the manual says when you are building one? Thanks in advance. I really would like to get this working since my Ramlink is in the shop and I have no other RTC. Thanks again. Dan ------------ 6 ? ************ Topic 48 Sat Jan 28, 1995 R.WAGNER4 at 17:58 EST Sub: G.H.W.'s Shell Print Editor WHAT IS ITS FILENUMBER 2 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 6, Topic 48 Message 1 Sat Jan 28, 1995 R.WAGNER4 at 17:59 EST What is the shell print editor file number so I can doe wn load it. ------------ Category 6, Topic 48 Message 2 Sat Feb 04, 1995 J.BUTLER13 [JB] at 08:51 EST Greetings Rich, I looked up the two file numbers I mentioned at the board meeting: #15082 SHELLDOCS2.SDA and # 15081 SHELLDOCS1.SDA These are text and source code files concerning the editor. They are in the applications library. I may have downloaded the shell printer editor from Qlink years ago. I will look for it and let you knw at the users' group meeting Wednesday. See you there, --John ------------ 6 ?