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Topic 14 Tue Dec 10, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) Sub: 80 Column to VCR/TV Who would be interested in a 80 column to VCR/TV scan converter for their C-128? 33 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 1 Tue Dec 10, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) I know there have been projects published about building a RGBI 2 NSTC converter. But, I have found someone willing to do a modification to their RGB analog <-> NSTC converter for us as long as we have 10 orders. All I need is 9 more ;) They are sending one for my "review" but to buy them I need 9 more orders. The price will be $340 for the complete setup. If I can find 9 other people willing to make a deposit once I give the review unit a stamp of approval I will buy them. I know we do not have any "multi-media" software ... yet ... but then again we never had any hardware for the 80 column screen. That's the "rumor" part now the "fact" part The reason for 10 units is that is the amount to become a "dealer" and hence a small profit for me! If I know there are enough people out there that are willing to buy these things than I am willing to become a dealer and go through the hassle for a a small profit, which will be non-existant by the time I get through with the shipping, extra packing, and whatever else pops up. This unit is small and what I am thinking of is a bulk buy of ten switch boxes so you do not have to unplug your cables all the time. I know my box was about $18 last time but they get really cheap buying ten at a time. Plus, we will need extra cables too ... So, is anyone interested in doing "multi-media" on our C-128s? We can always right the software later. What will be interesting is seeing how it works with IPAINT. Understand, this is NOT a Genlock, just a scan converter. It can also be used on a IBM Analog card. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 2 Wed Dec 11, 1991 HOWIE-CBM [H.HERMAN1] (Forwarded) JBEE, I always thought that the 80 columns was RGBI digital. Live and learn... :) Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 3 Thu Dec 12, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) C-128s are RGBI IBMs, MACs are RGBA RGBI = Red Green Blue Intensity RGBA = Red Green Blue Analog (except for some IBM cards that are CGA (RGBI) same as the C-128) ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 4 Thu Dec 19, 1991 S.MAZZOTTA1 [Sam] (Forwarded) $340!?!? I think before I would get one of these things, I would go out and buy an Amiga, for which I could get an NTSC adapter for $40. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 5 Mon Dec 23, 1991 W.ALLISON [Wesley] (Forwarded) Besides, right now, an Amiga 500 Starter WITH a NTSC interface and a bunch of software is 399.00 ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 6 Mon Dec 23, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) I guess this is no :) BTW:it can also be used on a IBM later if you wanted to use it for that. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 7 Sat Dec 28, 1991 S.MAZZOTTA1 [Sam] (Forwarded) I don't mean to be a naysayer, JBEE; I hope you get your ten orders. It's just that I would never buy one; I was just a little shocked at the price, and thought I would put in my 2 cents... ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 8 Mon Dec 30, 1991 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) JBEE, Unless I am missing the point of what you are trying to do, it appears that you may be able to accomplish the same thing, with a $2.95 cable. Below I'll post an edited version of some text I came across discussing this. The report of a poor first result may not be significant. The fact is that this output is available. Given a good connector, it might accomplish the desired quality output. Anyway, enough from me. Here's the info: ------------------------------------------------------------------ duck@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes: > Geoffrey, It does work. Commodore when designing the C=128 used that pin >normally unused, I believe on the standard RGBI) and set it up so it would >give a composite video output. The only problem about the VCR I could see >would be the vertical and horizontal timing... Be interesting to see if it >works (Hmm... I may try it later today but too lazy to drag the C= over to th >VCR across the house). I'm interested in anybody that's tred this with the >128. Any results? That's what I thought (that the timing might not be quite kosher), but Frank Prindle and others have assured me that it works quite well. Of course, trying to modulate the horizontal resolution on NTSC doesn't result in an ultimately clean picture, but I don't think that anyone was expecting it to. The C128's pin 7 output is fairly unique, combining sync signals with a weighted sum of the colours to provide what is essentially composite video. PClones' monochrome cards use pin 7 for mono output, I believe... but the horizontal sync is ▐18 kHz, not 15.75... hence the C128's 80-column screen won't display on most TTL monochrome monitors. Geoffrey Welsh, 602-66 Mooregate Crescent, Kitchener, Ontario N2M 5E6 Canada geoff@zswamp.uucp, [watmath!xenitec▄nstar▄m2xenix]!zswamp!geoff (519)741-9553 --------------------------------------------- I bought a DB9 female to female connector and chopped of all but pins 1 and 7 at the end. I ripped the end appart to get easier access to the pins. Anyways, I hooked it up through the VCR video in and the tv was already hooked up for the video out, and it worked. It is below satisfactory for my eyes, and also it is monochrome. I suppose the clarity could vary depending on the specifics in different VCR's. I used a RCA stero,4 head, etc... so I would assume that it would be as clear as it gets (as far as VCRs). Anyways, the part costs about $2.95 from Radio Shack along with a RCA cord, a long one, and a bit of carefull soldering. Anyone else try this? I'd like to hear how it worked on another brand of VCR. Later, Dave. -- INGREDIENTS : Carbonated water, high ▄ DAVID HAHN ▄ fructose corn syrup and/or sucrose, ▄ University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee ▄ carmel color, phosphoric acid, ▄ hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ▄ natural flavors, caffeine. ▄_______________________________________▄ ---------------------------------- Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 9 Mon Dec 30, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) This converter gives you near NSTC "COLOR" out to a RCA cable, not B+W, from a 80 column screen. I have heard of a do it yourself kit from 80 to 40 columns, Dale had posted the message earlier, but I have never seen it myself. The reason for posting this message anyway was for input for/against the scan converter. Of course when you are done with it you could always use it on a PC. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 10 Tue Dec 31, 1991 S.MAZZOTTA1 [Sam] (Forwarded) Howie, Amazing how these discussions and information get around. I started the most recent discussion of "pin 7" on [B [B [B [BUsenet, of which the quote you gave above is a continuation. Unfortunately, the composite output of pin 7 is MONOCHROME only... Sam ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 11 Tue Dec 31, 1991 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Sam, LOL! Telecommunications has been promoted as a means of making the world a smaller place, and I quess this is one example. :) Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 12 Tue Dec 31, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) Okay, I just tried the mono cable with a VCR and it look pretty decent considering the 40 column bandwidth. Interlace doesn't work much at all. The thing is that this is COLOR and the signal that gets delivered is NEAR NSTC. Which means you can make pretty good tapes. As for buying the Amiga with an adapter, this is not the same thing. The output from a Amiga with a adapter is not even close to NSTC standards and if you operate the Amiga with a TV using the Workbench this is in 60 columns, not 80. Unless something has changed since the (very)last time I owned one. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 13 Sat Jan 11, 1992 G.CORREA (Forwarded) Jbee, could you not (betraying my ignorance yet again) use the Amiga 520 (?) adapter with a 23-to-9-pin adapter (I imagine you would need to hack one yourself)...? I believe the 520 is supposed to be NTSC quality, but never having owned one (Amiga or adapter), I could not say for certain. -Ramrunner ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 14 Sun Jan 12, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) Beats me, since I am not interested the Amiga I do not keep up on the various product offerings. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 15 Tue Jan 14, 1992 G.CORREA (Forwarded) ...Just thought it might be worth a shot, seeing the difference in price between the two. Maybe you could sand off the "AMIGA"... ;) But it seemed to me you might be reinventing the wheel, at great expense. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 16 Wed Jan 15, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) The video output from a Amiga is analog, the C128 digital. It is much easier to go from analog to analog than digital to analog. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 17 Sun Jan 26, 1992 A.KARANTZE [The Maverick] (Forwarded) Hi there 128 owners. This area seems to be a little quiet, so here is my NZ 5c worth (why 5c... 1c & 2c have been discontinued). I read about connecting the infamous pin 7 in "c 128 programming" by Wiese, but that was for connection to monchrome monitors. I tried connecting the wired up 9 pin to RCA plug into my Mitsubishi E31 video recorder, into the video in plug.... and got nothing by a black screen and a ghost picture of the 128 80 mode floating badly up and around the screen... and it was barely visible! Now, since both machines are PAL (Standard of New Zealand) this cannot be the problem, so I must assume that it cannot be done using PAL equipment, which is a shame as I can't afford a monitor at the moment! The Maverick > of New Zealand ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 18 Sun Jan 26, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Hi Maverick and Welcome to the Flagship!! :) I like that idea of doing away with money less than 5 cents. Pennies are a nuisance. I wish the US would do the same. Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 19 Sun Jan 26, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) 100 pennies equal a dollar! Anyone wishing to do away with their pennies can send them to me :) I will take any and all pennies ... including any you find in your couch ;D ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 20 Tue Jan 28, 1992 S.MAZZOTTA1 [Sam] (Forwarded) Maverick, I got similar results the first time I made of those cables. (NTSC computer and monitor.) Your problem may be due to a bad connection, possibly the "ground"--pin 1 on the 128's RGB output--is not connecting properly with the outer ring of the RCA plug. Try again and you'll get it eventually... Sam ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 21 Tue Jan 28, 1992 A.KARANTZE [The Maverick] (Forwarded) Sam, I am tryin to connect it to a Video, not a monitor. You might have a be better result when using a monitor. I tried it again after I read a few messages, but absolutely nothing worked... Am now resigned to getting a 1084 monitor... or maybe 1902. Ill try one more time connecting the bloody things, using a diffirent type wire. I was using coaxial which may have caused the problem, this time Ill use simple Video wire. -> Antony karantze ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 22 Wed Jan 29, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) Do not buy a used 1902a (they are problem monitors). A used 1080 would be good. Someone informed me that the 1084S monitors now have the 40/80 switch at the BACK of the monitor. Ever get the feeling Commodore doesn't give a damn about C128 owners? ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 23 Wed Jan 29, 1992 A.KARANTZE [The Maverick] (Forwarded) Well, I just went to a liquidation sale, and they had an old and new style 1084 monitor for $350 NZ... about $150 US. But the bloke there said that they wouldnt work on a 128 (Analog rather than digital inputs) So I used the money to buy an A50 not bad deal $400.. about $175 US Antony karantze ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 24 Wed Jan 29, 1992 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded) I've heard a couple of references to 1902a's being problem monitors. What goes wrong with them? (Somebody may have told me this before, but I don't remember.) I have a 1902a that I bought new ca. 4 years ago (or is it 5 now?), and it still works reasonably well. (The only slight problem is that the Red gun seems a touch ( << 1 pixel size ) out of line from the blue and green guns in the lower right corner of the screen in 80 columns.) Also, I think C= actually does give a damn about 128 owners: they wish that we'd all trash our 128's for Amiga 500's, so they wouldn't have to hear about 128's ever again. (They probably wish the same for 64's, but 64's still sell well, and excessively stabbing 64 owners in the back would be too economically unsound for even Commodore.) I'm still depressed that they discontinued the 128, what, how many years ago now? -Rob ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 25 Thu Jan 30, 1992 S.MAZZOTTA1 [Sam] (Forwarded) I heard that they (Commodore) have a 128D, among other former C= products on display in the lobby of their West Chester headquarters. See, they really do care about us 128 owners.... Sam ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 26 Thu Jan 30, 1992 D.BURR8 (Forwarded) Oh yes, loved us to death, didn't they? LEft us with a computer that never was really finished (architecture-wise) and never received any vendor support from the Big Guys...sigh. Topic Drift of a sad sort. ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 27 Thu Jan 30, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Well, I'll confess... I'm the └someone' JBEE referred to. :) I've had (still do) a 1902A since late '85. Until a few weeks ago, it rarely got turned off. A couple months ago its 80 column screen began to develop a squiggle. One line, or maybe a few would squiggle for a second, and then settle down again. Never knew when it would happen. Maybe once an hour, maybe 2-3 times an hour. Then a couple weeks ago it did something it never did before, it started to crackle (the sound you hear when static discharges). I got a 1084S-D1 as a replacement. This one, as well as earllier 1084's work fine with the 128. Well, sorta... This model of the 1084 (there are several) has its 40/80 column switch in the back. And worse, Commodore does *NOT* include a cable for 40 column output. So to use it with a 64 or 128's 40 columns, you must buy it yourself. I learnt after ordering a custom one that Tenex sells this cable for $12.... The monitor comes with cables for the um, uh Amiga, and 128's 80 column screen. Amazingly the 40/80 column switch in the back is accesssible └by feel', but I do have to get up to reach it each time I change screens. The 1902A's and other models of the 1084 which had the switch up front would be a lot more convenient. Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 28 Wed Feb 05, 1992 MIKE.DUNCAN (Forwarded) Howie, Sounds like a problem I fixed on a Magnavox monitor (model 8CM5150741), which is the same as the 1902A. All I had to do was reflow the solder joints at the flyback transformer. With a crackling noise, it could be a couple of other possible problems, but the reflow is worth a try. The Magnavox I worked on, was getting poor ventilation and the circuit board was drooping. (No support in the middle of the board.) Afterwards, I suggested leaving it turned on. BTW, if you still have it and decide to fix it, make sure whoever does the work HAS EXPERIENCE with CRTs. *** HIGH VOLTAGES ARE DEFINITELY PRESENT! *** I personally prefer working on digital stuff. :> I also have a 1902A. But I'm not gonna brag about how long I've had it. And I'm not going to brag about how it has never given me any trouble. (Naw! I'm not superstitious - that'd be bad luck!) I recently got a 1084S-D1 also. And that's the only gripe I had with it. But like you said. You quickly learn where the 40/80 switch is, and hit it every time. Good Luck! - Mike ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 29 Thu Feb 06, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Hi Mike! How ya been? I'm gonna pass on trying to do any home repairs on the 1902A. Your warning about high voltages in and around the crt are directed at the right person, ME. I wouldn't really know what I'd be poking around in, once the monitor got opened... In fact, I am sorta concerned about the same thing with a 128D, which I'll be opening up to do some minor mods to. I plan to let it sit for at least an hour before doing anything. At least the D looses its charge, unlike the monitor. I haven't yet figured out what to do with that 1902a. I hooked it up to the cable box, and it has a *SUPER CLEAR* picture. Never tried that before... But, it still crackles, so not to keen on the idea of using it in its present condition. Ah well, I'll think of something for it. :) Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 30 Sat May 09, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) In the: "It really works department..." ------------------------------- I added a glass anti-glare filter for the monitor. As an extra feature it claims to be specially coated to curtail rfi and emi, and comes with a wire, one end plugging into the filter, the other into an electric socket's ground. To my amazement this feature *REALLY* works!! I have had this thing on long enough to normally develop a pretty dense coating of screen dust, attracted by the monitor's magnetic emissions. Well, there is none. Not one speck of dust. Having this unexpected feature, in addition to a screen that is much more easilly readible is a delight! Highly recommend this feature! Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 31 Sat May 09, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) What make and model and how much? Where did you order it? ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 32 Mon May 11, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) JBEE, It's the Polaroid CP-90, Polaroid's ID # 615327. This is the one that fits the 1084. I got it from: Record Rite 1 Sunset Court Hawthorne Woods, IL 60047 Tel: (800) 336-3132 Their price, which is a special, $103.96. Be sure to also get some of the Polaclear Cleaner for it, too. May sound a bit pricey, but it isn't compared to others that are around. Does a superb job with glare, not to mention all the other things it does. Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 14 Message 33 Mon May 11, 1992 M.DULSKI1 [Mark @WIZARD] (Forwarded) For me that *is* a bit pricey. ;) Sounds neat though! Don't have >too< much trouble with glare but the dust drives me nuts! ▐▐Mark▐▐ ------------ ************ Topic 15 Wed Jul 10, 1991 D.SMITH244 (Forwarded) Sub: Is CP/M worth it? For someone who's got their C128 stuff together (W/P, T/C, D/B, etc.) and is used to that, is learning CP/M REALLY worth it? Is there that much primo stuff there or what? 15 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 1 Wed Jul 10, 1991 D.SMITH244 (Forwarded) Opinions, please. I've got my act together on C128 (I think) -- I use DesTerm128 V2.00 for T/C, Superbase 128 3.0 for D/B, Fontmaster 128 for W/P and CS-DOS for just about everything else. These meet my needs, but my technolust is itchig for me to learn CP/M. Why else have it on the machine? But would that time be well spent? What do y'all think? ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 2 Wed Jul 10, 1991 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded) Why CP/M? Technolust is a good reason.... The main reason I've done anything with it is, it's fun to play around with. Of course, as you've heard, there is loads of PD software for it, but at this point there is some pretty impressive PD and Shareware software for the 128's native mode (e.g. DesTerm). Some of the main software advantages are, CP/M uses standard ASCII by default, and there is a good PD text editor available (VDE2.66 is what I use, though I hear that ZDE is a newer version and better). With this, you can view and modify text files that were intended or or need to go to other computers. There also exists PD programs to read MS-DOS disks, and swap to C= native format, so it is a good way to swap programs with an IBM. If you are into programming, it's always fun to look at the machie code of a different processor (Z80 as opposed to 6502 family). Also, there exist PD implementations of various languages (C, Pascal). If you are interested in using CP/M, I would recommend checking out Randy Winchester's article in Issue 28 of Twin Cities 128. That lists a lot of public domain software which is available, as well as explains how you can speed up the operating speed of your CP/M. -Rob Knop ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 3 Thu Jul 11, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) I echo all that! Also, learning standard programs such as "Dbase" on the CP/M side is virtually like learning them on a PC! ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 4 Thu Jul 11, 1991 H.HERMAN1 (Forwarded) CP/M mode is fully one-third of the C128, and it would be a shame to ignore it. Besides, there is an awful lot of software that runs under CP/M that is not duplicated in either the 64 or 128 sides, that you'd miss out on otherwise. One category that I can think of off-hand is file compression utilities. Among others you can unzip, unzoo, unsit, unarc, uncrunch, delibrary, uudecode, and much more. On occasion I wander into other computer RoundTables, and these programs let me access some very interesting files. If I didn't have them, there would be no way for me to read up on all the latest happenings. Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 5 Fri Jul 12, 1991 C128-BILL [Bill] (Forwarded) Don't forget WordStar (my favorite!) ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 6 Sat Jul 13, 1991 J.PEEPLES (Forwarded) WordStar 4 is simply the best and most powerful word processor I've found for the C128, bar none. I use plenty of others, but find myself going back again and again to WordStar, running under the Z-System, which is an expanded operating system based on CP/M but with new facilities. ZCPR 3.4 (available in the Z3Plus package for the C128) has a list of features that reads like a wish list for MS-DOS! Put the two together, and you've got one of the best word processing workstations available on any microcomputer, even the IBM's or Mac's. 'nuff said. ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 7 Sun Jul 14, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) I think I will check out that Z3 info tonight. You have my interest peaked. I saw the section in the CP/M section but never read it. ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 8 Thu Jul 18, 1991 S.MITCHELL19 (Forwarded) I liked CP/m on the 128 enough that I bought 2 other cp/m computers. I program mostly, and CP/M is the key to 'standard' implementations of major programming languages. Particularly I like C, and MIX-C is straight-up K & R C. Since Copps! Since CP/M is disk intensive (like IBM) I really recomend a person come up with a Ram expander. Nice thing about CP/M, it will use any REU, even a 128K size! Many IBM programs started in CP/M: Dbase, Grammatik, V- oops, hit the return again V-edit, TurboPascal, and others. Supercalc2 calls in lotus files (saved as a dif file from lotus), allowing your C128 to extend it's range so to speak. Learning Z80 assembler is something I'm starting to nose into now. The Z80 chip itself has 40% more instructions the 8086 chip. And, with more registers, including 16-bit paired registered, its going to be fun learning! It appears (though I admit novice status at comparing CPU's) that the Z80 is a much more powerful chip than the 8502. The Z80 is the CPU of choice for many imbedded control applecations in industry, so it's not like you are learning a dinosaur chip/language. It is █also used very much as an intellegent (that *would* be the word I misspell :) ) hard disk controller. in IBM's etc. Z80's and compatible chips (like hitachi's hd64180 ) can be had in clock speeds up to 13-something megahertz. I have a Kaypro that runs at 7 megahertz- -and with a 2 meg ramdisk in that one, she fairly flies! The reason I mentioned all that Z80 stuff was to say that I learned CP/M on my trusty 128, and the time spent has been very useful in other computer- related pursuits. Let us know if you get stuck! Steve (S.Mitchell19) ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 9 Thu Jul 18, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) A lot of the HP printers use Z80 chips! Including the Deskjets! ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 10 Tue Mar 17, 1992 G.STAGLIANO [C128.STAG] (Forwarded) Ditto to all the above msg. Also CP/M gives you the sorce code for the C128 so you can modify it to your desires ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 11 Wed Mar 18, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) There are business applications still supported for cheap prices that will fill any need. We have posted information sources before that carry everything from databases to Turbo Pascal. If you stay on top of the "news" over the next couple of months you are going to see some really excellent CP/M developments. I would say it is worth learning, after all it is 1/3 of your C-128. Anyone that uses Dbase II and Wordstar will back that up :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 12 Thu Mar 19, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) dBASE II is what keeps me booting back into CP/M. And, SuperCalc2 is no sloucher. Might be one of the fastest calculating spreadsheets for the 128. I cannot count how many times CP/M has let me read files that I've grabbed from all over the place. Monster ones, that I can split. Z encoded Unix ones that I can read. There are some *VERY* productive tools available. And, the system's unattended tasking capability is pure fun! :) Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 13 Tue Jun 16, 1992 B.ENNIS1 at 02:27 EDT How do you get ahold of some of this CP/M stuff? I'm a complete novice at CP/M and am interested in getting into it, but have absolutely no files beyond the CP/M 3.0 disk that came with the 128. What files should I look for and collect? ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 14 Tue Jun 16, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 06:20 EDT That really depends on what you might be interested in. There are thousands and thousands of files in the CP/M RoundTable, and some (I think?) C128 specific ones here, but not sure on that. If you happen to be in or around New York City, you might want to drop in and visit one of our NYOUG club meetings. We meet at New York University, Washington Square, on the second Tuesday of each month. Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 15 Message 15 Wed Jul 01, 1992 G.STAGLIANO at 03:34 EDT NCP/M software....availablity. Software is still around and there are some very good CP/M games. The infocom text adventures work great in cpm especiall from the ram disk. There are some good arcade type games too that are quite fun on the C128, Quatris, Wanderer, etc ------------ ************ Topic 16 Tue Jun 16, 1992 M.DULSKI1 [Mark @WIZARD] at 21:56 EDT Sub: (*) SHIP'S LOG (*) The FLAGSHIP'S newest endevor to further YOUR enjoyment of online computing! 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 16 Message 1 Tue Jun 16, 1992 M.DULSKI1 [Mark @WIZARD] at 21:57 EDT It's Here!!! 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To read our premier issue download file #9761 "9206.SHIP'S LOG" from the Flagship Software Libraries (m625;3) ------------ ************ Topic 17 Sat Dec 19, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Sub: Code cracking... Or... How do I get rid of this annoying copy protection. 4 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 17 Message 1 Sat Dec 19, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Since JBEE offered it (at least I think I saw him do this), and I am willing to accept, maybe he will reveal all and tell us how to get rid of pesky, annoying copy protection. If it means expanding my 128 to 256k or 512k, I will get on line for this implant right now! :) Or, maybe there is an easier way with the three Pockets, Writer3, Filer2, and Planner2? Actually more than removing the copy protection may be required, since I'd like these to load from RAMLink. Did someone say SuperBase is copy protected? I just got it as a pre-Christmas gift, and have not run it yet... Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 17 Message 2 Sat Dec 19, 1992 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) As long as the programs do not look for code after the program has loaded and started running, with a 512K C-128 it is possible to save both banks to disk. I just haven't bothered to fool around with it because almost everything I own isn't protected. ------------ Category 2, Topic 17 Message 3 Wed Apr 07, 1993 MIKE.DUNCAN at 21:35 EDT Oh boy! - Another fun topic! Does anybody know what it takes to backup the game called Soko-Ban? It's a C-64 game by Spectrum HoloByte. I got side A backed-up, but can't quite seem to get side B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 17 Message 4 Thu Apr 08, 1993 C128.JBEE at 13:33 EDT Probably because the disk is not aligned properly in the disk drive, hub is on the wrong side. I would experiment with pushing the disk in farther or just barely pushing it into the drive. Then while holding the disk, close the latch. This has worked on several disks that my CR1571 just wouldn't read. ------------ ************ Topic 22 Thu Apr 29, 1993 R.BIRD6 [C-64 Master] (Forwarded) Sub: Commodore Chatter This topic is to send messages or just to run your mouth a lot... 2 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 22 Message 1 Thu Apr 29, 1993 R.BIRD6 [C-64 Master] (Forwarded) Welcome to my new topic... ------------ Category 2, Topic 22 Message 2 Fri Apr 30, 1993 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) Hi :) Actually I frown on "chatter" topics and do not allow them for several reasons. The most important being that people access this board with BRO NOR at anywhere from $6-$30 an hour, we do have a sizable minority of overseas users that access GEnie through PDN numbers and I feel subjecting them to long and rambling topics at $30 is a bit unfair. I know the "cut and dry" approach that I take doesn't sit well with some people (not saying that is you though;) but I realize people compute on a budget and I respect that. There are avenues for "chat" such as e-mail and our RTCs. There are also other RTs such as the JOKES RT where you can post for entertainment :) Not to mention the CHAT area. About the only category where I allow topic drift is Category #10 because 1)a lot of times it yields worthwhile information 2)people can easily IGN the category without missing otherwise useful Commodore information. Besides, Category #2 is the best place for this type of topic and several are already in place for rumors etc. I like to *encourage* posting but ask that it is kept on Category and on topic because 100s of people will end up reading it :) If there isn't a category/topic to address a certain issue feel free to start a topic and we will move it to the best area for you or create one. BTW: this topic cop will move this into Cat#2 :) ------------