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Topic 2 Mon Jun 17, 1991 C128-BILL [Bill] at 02:11 EDT Sub: Press Release: A place for Press Releases (at least for now)... 17 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 1 Mon Jun 17, 1991 C128-BILL [Bill] at 02:12 EDT 6-17-91 D & D Services, Inc. (DADS.INC) has just announced that it has sold all production rights for BellTerm 64 to Juliani Communications of Norristown, PA. BellTerm 64 is a Terminal Program for the Commodore 64 that uses 'overlays' for its many different features such as 80 column mode, Y- Modem batch downloading, and Auto-Un-Arcing while downloading programs to disk. The new producer has plans for completing an ANSII screen overlay for existing BellTerm versions and a new sub-menu structure to simplify usage in later versions. BellTerm 64 is one of the few Commodore 64 Terminal Programs that will operate with the SwiftLink-232 at speeds up to 19.2K CPS. BellTerm 64 is distributed and supported by Parsec Inc, of Salem MA. =END= ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 2 Thu Jun 20, 1991 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] at 00:32 PDT Don't throw out that old keyboard! It may be thoroughly repairable. A couple of months ago, my a key died... got weaker and weaker, to the point where I couldn't get an a on my 128's screen at all. Well, I did some asking around, and it turned out that all I needed to do was take the 128 apart and clean the keyboard's contact board. An eraser will work, but you are probably better off doing it with some electronics cleaner. After doing this, my keyboard worked fine! -Rob Knop ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 3 Thu Jun 20, 1991 H.HERMAN1 at 05:34 EDT Hi Rob, I plan to keep the old keyboard around. Actually it works fine. Just a sense of getting on the spongy side from all the use. By far the biggest activity on the 128 has been WP, and I quess after 5 years of pounding, the springs have lost some of their bounce. Because nothing really went bad, it wasn't the sort of thing that I noticed immediately. Instead, just sort of slowly got this sense of the keys starting to get 'tired'. Since the keyboard has all the moving parts, it seems resonable that it might begin to show some wear and tear after 5 years... Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 4 Sat Sep 07, 1991 M.GRAY9 at 15:19 EDT New BBS for the C64, still testing it but its on line 1200baud 813-822-5946. ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 5 Sun Oct 13, 1991 SKIZ at 08:57 EDT IPaint, the excellent 80-column paint program, is no longer being distributed by Voyager Mindtools according to Rick Kane, the author. He advises that you SHOULD NOT send any money to VMI in an attempt to buy this product. He will continue to support this product through sales and customer service through his company, Living Proof LTD. He will have an address shortly and it will be posted at a later date. ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 6 Mon Oct 21, 1991 SKIZ at 21:00 EDT This is from another network you may find of interest. :) SUBJ: C128 based lab wins award FROM: CRL 10/20/91 NCRPTL (a national technology in education group) just announced the 101 best uses of technology in education. Psychology Laboratory, based on the C128, was one of the winners. The secret of success was BASIC 7.0. NO other computer puts so much application development power in the hands of a non programmer (from this narrow point of view the Mac and PC are impossible, and the Amiga is a nice game machine). A problem in my field (Psychology) is that to develop a new application one must usually choose between being a professional or being a programmer. On the C128 programming is so easy one can do both. Anyway, I thought you all would like to know that there is bite in the old dog yet. We have had 20+ C128s supporting our program at Northern Michigan Univ. since 1987. I don't see any reason to change until something actually superior comes along. Commodores empower people 8-) ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 7 Tue Oct 22, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 05:27 EDT Skiz, do you have an address for them? I might want to send something to them to encourage more use of their C-128s ;) Btw:you just made my night! If case anyone forgot C= touted the C-128 in the beginning as having one of the most powerful graphic Basics ever included with a personal computer along with the ML monitor. JBEE (: ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 8 Tue Oct 22, 1991 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] at 23:19 PDT Hooray! 3 cheers for the 128! It's good to see that there are pockets of people around who recognize that you don't need a 50 MHz 486 to do most things people want to do with a computer. Now, consider: for the cost of the 20+ 128's, how many Macs would you get??? I tried to program a Mac once, in C. Boy, was that painful! I eventually managed to get the program running, but kept running into weird problems when I just wanted to get console input from the user ("input a$" kinds of stuff). I find the Amiga more programmer-friendly. Haven't tried a PC. But, as the article says, nothing is as easy as sitting down and writing and running a program in Basic 7.0! -Rob ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 9 Fri Apr 10, 1992 SKIZ at 21:55 EDT I hope this isn't old news but I just read a post by Jim Butterfield on Qlink dated 4/7/92 stating that INFO magazine is now defunct! It couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch! <grin> I wonder if they'll reappear in a few months with a new NINTENDO magazine! ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 10 Sat Apr 11, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 02:29 EDT Oh! That's too bad... :) Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 11 Sat Apr 11, 1992 D.BURR8 at 05:22 EDT Too bad, yes and no. I loved INFO for its honesty in the early days, but they got unbearbly pompous after awhile. Granted, they were one of the best C= mags for a long while, but I never did buy into their rationale for abandoning 8bit support. If they had just admitted that the Amiga gave em more of a charge, I would have understood it. ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 12 Sat Apr 11, 1992 C128-BILL [Bill] at 06:53 EDT Info was good reading in the days of 8-bit coverage. I dropped them when they 'dropped us' but leafed thru it when I saw it on the newstand once in a while. I was never convinced that they were all that square with 8-bit readers for the reasons they stated. I was always under the impression that there was a 'behind the scenes' agreement of some sort. <shrug> Of course, this is all In My Humble Opinion. ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 13 Sat Apr 11, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 10:24 EDT The main theme of the past issues was "who would want to own a 8 bit computer". The current issue might have been who would want to own stock in a Amiga magazine. Oh, I suppose we will always remember those good issues, like the ultimate Amiga system for only $10,000+ . Yea, that's a *real* home computing platform, NOT! Because I was unfortunate to renew my subscription just as they decided to drop Commodore coverage I wrote to them and pointed out besides owing me a refund that all I thought they would be now is a bunch of turncoats and another Amiga rag. Like every other good Commodore magazine that went Amiga they went under. - no loss - My only question is what kind of caliber men are they really? Since they use to brag about the days of their C-64 and 9 pin printer issues are they going to do the honorable thing and make sure they refund everyone's money? Or will everyone remember them like this, Info turns their back on their original customers, Info refuses to refund issues remaining on current subscriptions to people that could care less about the all Amiga magazine, Info goes out of business, Info stiffs all current subscribers. Hey, it is not my picture on the inside cover ... But that is what I think of them and how I will remember their smiling faces - I suppose a run for Congress would be in order now. ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 14 Sun Apr 12, 1992 L.MCCLURE at 00:17 EDT I was in Software Etc. today and just saw the newest issue of .INFO... and no mention inside that I noticed the publication was closing down, etc. But there were ads for subscribing! It would not be the first time a magazine has gone *poof* without a hint of a warning. I noticed this issue has 'for Amiga' in large letters beside the .INFO masthead, BTW. ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 15 Sun Apr 12, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 16:05 EDT There was a post in the Starship Amiga entry banner about .info going out of business, that is actually where I first read about it. ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 16 Wed Apr 29, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 03:58 EDT In related news: Computer Monthly is dropping their Amiga coverage - I usually do not read the Amiga section but decided to read it since I was reading the ST section (about their new laser). I guess Computer Monthly and their columnist feel there is not enough news to warrant the column. He is pretty much right about everything he says. ------------ Category 2, Topic 2 Message 17 Mon Dec 07, 1992 C128.JBEE at 17:35 EST xmas present #1 = holidaysRus ------------ ************ Topic 3 Sun Mar 17, 1991 AMFORD at 09:38 CST Sub: Where are the Magazines? Just waiting for magazine's to show up. Or did I just miss something... 57 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 1 Sun Mar 17, 1991 AMFORD at 09:41 CST Anybody get their first issue of Midnite Gazette yet? Also, it seems to have been a LONG time since I saw a Twin Cites 128. Has there been one issued this year? Or did the postal office poof my mail again??? ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 2 Sun Mar 17, 1991 AMFORD at 23:24 CST Went thru some of my magazines today (actually rescuing them from the whirl wind of an upcoming garage sell), and the last Twin Cities that I could find was #28, from September! ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 3 Mon Mar 18, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 06:44 EST Well, you got it right! Tc128 issue #28 was the lastone so far and I haven't gotten my copy of M.G. yet either! I would expect issue #29 in May or there abouts. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 4 Mon Mar 18, 1991 AMFORD at 23:44 CST Drat, that long of a wait? After the 'short' time between 27 & 28, I hoped that TC128 might make it to a slightly irregular bi-monthly. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 5 Wed Mar 20, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 00:02 EST In this case what you hope for and what you get are two different things! I have put forth the idea before that the smaller magazines should publish between the months that RUN doesn't. That way you get a new C= magazine every one. I think it would help everyone. People aren't leaving because theydon't find their 8 bits useful anymore, it is because of the lack of information. Remember, only about 15% of the C= community owns a modem and far less are on national networks! ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 6 Thu Apr 25, 1991 J.REHBERG [joyce] at 22:44 EDT Can anyone tell me what has happened to Twin Cities 128? I renewed in Oct but haven't received any n more issues and Lovhoug aug does't answer my Email to him.* s *s ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 7 Fri Apr 26, 1991 J.COLLINS5 [GeojoeC] at 00:51 EDT I too am worried! The last issue I got had an exciting reveiw of a New Hard drive from CMD! That was almost a year ago! ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 8 Fri Apr 26, 1991 C128-BILL [Bill] at 07:09 EDT Hmmm. Good question! I had thought my subscription expired or sumthin. :( This is the third time that a Mag has 'vanished'. At least Compute's Gazzette let everyone know what was going on! (this of course is just my humble opinion... insert standard disclaimer here...) ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 9 Fri Apr 26, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 07:32 EDT Well, the future doesn't bode well for Tc128. Just saw a post from Loren about Tc128 almost being insolvent and that #29 and #30 may be the last issues altogther. I don't think this will happen and I hope it doesn't happen! ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 10 Fri Apr 26, 1991 AMFORD at 20:20 CDT I hope it doesn't happen also. Would prefer to see a drop in the fancier printing, and such. What I really want is the information that they provide, not to worried about what format it arrives in. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 11 Sat Apr 27, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 09:12 EDT agreed! ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 12 Sat Apr 27, 1991 R.HAZELWOOD1 [BOB] at 19:49 EDT Their is a good article in the May issue of COMPUTER MONTHLY called "fearless computing" about the lack of maazine support for Commodore computers. Also some short articles about the C128 and GEnie. Thought some of you might be interested. -BOB- ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 13 Sun Apr 28, 1991 C128-BILL [Bill] at 09:28 EDT Thanx Bob, for the information. I'll check my mag store for the Computer Monthly! ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 14 Thu Jun 20, 1991 MIKE.DUNCAN at 22:53 EDT Speaking of magazines, someone mentioned "The Computer Journal", and I haven't been able to find another reference to it anywhere. If it's anything like Transactor - (A heckuva good magazine that I sure do miss reading!) - I'd like to see it. Know where I can get it? And KUDOS to JBEE for picking up TC128. All 128ers owe it to themselves to check out this MIGHTY FINE publication. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 15 Thu Jun 20, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 23:30 EDT I think Vulcan's "Computer Monthly" P.O.Box 7062 Atlanta, GA 30357-0062 $12 for one year $19.00 for two was the magazine mentioned. Think of it as a small Computer Shopper. As a matter of fact I thought this magazine was the Computer Shopper and they had moved their "classics" to a smaller magazine. But, I guess they are owned by two different companies (as far as I can tell). Twin Cities 128 Well, I have now receieved issue#29 and it is a very interesting issue. A bit on the small side (20 pages) but that is twenty pages of text, source, and pictures without any ads. All in all a very good issue and I think for content it rates amoung the best yet! I am taking it to the printers tomorrow. I was hoping to do three colors but I think that will have to wait until issue #31. Loren will be producing #30 and that should be done in 4 weeks or so. Money permitting we will publish #30 right away to get "caught up" and so there will be good reading material for the summer. The hardware projects will be enough to keep anyone busy :) Expect to see the issue arriving in 4 weeks or so (1 week at the printers and 3 weeks or so for the bulk mailing). After that it will be arriving at least every 8 weeks. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 16 Fri Jun 21, 1991 D.ARNONE at 06:09 EDT has tc128 mailed out issue #29? ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 17 Fri Jun 21, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 09:51 EDT Nope, going to the printers today as a matter of fact! I should have it back by the 27th. After that I will be doing all the bulk mailing! ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 18 Fri Jun 21, 1991 VOYAGER-1 [Gary V] at 14:43 EDT Speaking of Magazines, what ever happened to the Midnight Gazette ? Earlyer this year it was stated that this publication was comming back and a complementary issue would be sent to all those who wrote asking for one. I did so and thats the last I heard of such. Gary ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 19 Fri Jun 21, 1991 BRAD-HARRIS at 20:48 EDT The Computer Journal is a fine magazine indeed! Some of the computing topics it covers may seem a bit esoteric, but it will give you a vastly increased perspective. Information can be found in Cat. 15 of the CP/M RoundTable Bulletin Board, although the magazine by no means restricts itself to CP/M. I highly recommend it. Brad ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 20 Fri Jun 21, 1991 H.HERMAN1 at 21:43 EDT Mike, Isn't └The Computer Journal' the periodical that they talk a lot about over on the CP/M RoundTable? I believe it is technically oriented toward the hardware and software hacker, in CP/M and other system platforms, as well. While I don't fully (or partially) understand it, there were some posts about the latest issue having an article written by someone who just developed a new super system board, but I'm not really sure what it does, but it does do it fast. I'm pretty sure you'd find info about The Journal over there, or you could post to ask about it. Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 21 Fri Jun 21, 1991 H.HERMAN1 at 22:48 EDT Well, as long as Gary is speaking of magazines.... There is one very un-slick one that notwithstanding its lack of glossy cover, is just chock full of some very useful, timely, and interesting articles. I'm referring to geoJOURNAL put out by the geoMETRIX GEOS User's Group. Most everything happening in GEOS is covered, and things not happening in GEOS, but happening in the 64 and 128 worlds are also there. It far exceeds the quality of a periodical that you'd expect to see coming from a User Group. They will send a sample issue for a buck, or you can subscribe to 6 issues for $5. It comes out about every two months, or three. I'd suggest going for the subscription. And, don't be fooled by the low price. It is put together by guys who gotta really like what they're doing, and do it well, for the fun of it, and not for profit. So it doesn't cost much, but offers a lot. [Geeesss.... I'm beginning to sound like a walking, talking commercial. So, I'll say right here that my only interest in geoJOURNAL is that of a very satisfied subscriber!] You can write to them at: geoMETRIX GEOS Users Group 20224 S. Sprague Road Oregon City, OR 97045-9641 If you can, add a note telling them you heard about geoMETRIX on GEnie. It'll bring a smile to a few faces. Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 22 Sat Jun 22, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 18:30 EDT They also offer a pretty neat GEOS collection for a low price to mail subscribers (free if you can walk there with your own disks ;) ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 23 Thu Jul 11, 1991 MIKE.DUNCAN at 23:32 EDT Thanks for the info on "The Computer Journal". I'm on my way over to the CP/M area to check it out! . . . Okay, got the address to send for latest issue. Thanks Again! - Mike ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 24 Sun Jul 28, 1991 D.MCALEER1 [Micro-Bytes] at 14:29 CDT Another magazine...not to toot my own horn... MICRO-BYTES, 2648 S Kenilworth, Berwyn IL 60402-2549 A magazine devoted to the Commodore 8-bitters. We publish 5 times a year, each issue costs $2.00. Subs are available as well. To give you an idea of our contents, issue 5 included The Cartridge Wars, Editor's Notes, Home Office Hardware, Battle Chess Review, and more. Watch for our area in TALK TO THE TRADE soon! ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 25 Sun Jul 28, 1991 C128-BILL [Bill] at 21:06 EDT A hearty WELCOME for Micro-Bytes !! Yup, a NEW Topic in our Talk To The Trade will be in the making... Watch for it soon! Bill J. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 26 Sat Aug 03, 1991 D.MCALEER1 [Micro-Bytes] at 08:30 CDT Thanks, Bill. :) Yes, the MB support area is ACTIVE! Check it out. Category 15, Topic 3. The first four msg's deal with subscription info and the HIGH FIVE PROGRAM. Also, MBers out there, if you would like to occasionally receive EMail notices (updates, etc.) then please EMail me; you'll be added to the list. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 27 Sun Dec 15, 1991 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 07:50 EST All- If anyone has back issues that revue cartridges for the 64C,I would apreciate copies of te articles.RUN reviewed some in the May/June & Sept/Oct.1991 issues. If you are willing to copy them for me I will E-Mail my address to you. I am looking for the best cartridge to use in my pass-thru port of my RL. Thanks Mike Mc- ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 28 Sun Dec 15, 1991 PAUL-MB at 08:01 CST Bingo. Mike, check out CAT 15 TOP 3 - my magazine did an in-depth look at all the carts in issue #5. Just order it as a back issue. \/\/\/ Paul /\/\/\ ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 29 Sun Dec 15, 1991 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 18:57 EST Thanks Paul Mike Mc- ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 30 Sun Dec 15, 1991 PAUL-MB at 21:12 CST No prob, Mike! :) \/\/\/ Paul /\/\/\ ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 31 Mon Jan 13, 1992 T.ADAMS18 [Tom] at 19:49 EST There's a new magazine on the horizon, C64 ALIVE. This is a disk magazine and is published only for the C64. The 128 and other machine will be supported but the emphasis will be on the venerable 64. There are or soon will be 6 files in the library that contain a sample of C64 ALIVE. If you don't want to download them you can write for a sample disk for only a dollar. Send your dollar to: Jack Vander White P.O. Box 5802 Sacramento, CA 95817 Please say that you saw this message on GEnie. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 32 Tue Jan 14, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 03:48 EST There is suppose to be another one coming from "Decade, Inc." from Maine but I have not heard anything about it for a couple of months. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 33 Sat Feb 08, 1992 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 06:06 EST Any suggestions as to the best magazine to place an ad for C64 equipment for sale? Are there better places other than magazines for this?I have a ton of equipment that I would like to unload in one transaction. Mike Mc- ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 34 Sun Feb 09, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 03:32 EST Maybe Computer Monthly? The classified rates are cheap enough and they do carry 1-2 Commodore columns. The rates for RUN and Compute are far too much unless you are selling $2000+ If you belonged to a local User Group you could try them. Around here we have two major magazines available almost anywhere that sell used items and they always have a big and healthy used section. You could also try the Flagship in Cat#10 as there are horsetraders and buyers online ;) If you are a subscriber to TC128 you can place a advertisement free. I believe Microbytes also places ads at a fairly cheap rate. I know The Final Horizon 1409 Mill St. Laramie, WY 82070 also accepts ads. I think their rate is $10 1/4 page. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 35 Sun Feb 09, 1992 PAUL-MB at 07:49 CST Yes we do have a low rate, JBEE. Complete "rules" and "regulations" :), rates too, are in cat 15 top 3. The quarter page is the cheapest. ...Paul @ Micro-Bytes Publishing ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 36 Sun May 17, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 17:54 EDT I also noticed on page 159 of Computer Monthly, May 92 (this month) there is an ad for a place selling refurbished Commodore equipment. The place is called Tech Data Services Inc. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 37 Sat Jun 13, 1992 M.DULSKI1 [Mark @WIZARD] at 00:10 EDT Just looked over the latest (July/Aug) issue of RUN. Getting thinner and thinner! Also getting darn close to half advertisements. Did learn one thing though I wish I had known earlier. In the Commodore Clinic section RUN replies that GEOPublish WILL NOT work under GEOS 128 V2.0! Now I find out :( after I purchased a used copy of GEOPublish, sent it in to GEOWorks for the upgrade, and made all them posters/signs for my kids! How was I to know it wasn't *really* working just fine?! ::drip:: ::drip:: ::drip:: Ok, ok maybe a little too sarcastic. Do have to give them some credit I guess for sticking around where a lot of other mags folded or sold out. Was a little disappointed to see GEnie mentioned only once(barely) in the PD/shareware article. Whole thing sounded like an ad for Q! Ah well, at least we have TC64 and TC128! ▐▐Mark▐▐ ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 38 Sat Jun 13, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 14:50 EDT Mark, It seems that RUN goofed not once, but *TWICE* when they reported that GEOPublish will not run with GEOS 128. I cannot imagine how they could possibly make such an horrendous error. Perhaps RUN's editors should visit the FlagShip and GEnie more often, so we all can tell then what is what. :) Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 39 Sat Jun 13, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 17:18 EDT Well, its like saying Paperclip III loads faster off a 15xx drive than a HD with a parallel connection. Plain common sense would tell you to check that "tip" from a reader before publishing it. A call to CMD would have cleared that up. It comes down to if you don't use the hardware or software everyday you can't expect to edit or write decent articles about it. Every magazine makes mistakes or publishes incorrect information, matter of fact I have to republish the Eprom article (found a way to add FOUR battery backed 32k SRAMs/Eproms to a C-128!) in #29. There was a technical snafu found out after it was widely tested. So, noone is perfect. I think what people are finding downright annoying is the plain stupid mistakes published. It looks more like slinging the hash with trash then cooking up a good meal. More than ever people want quality from the last remaining Commodore only glossy. Run can do it and I think they are on the right track by having USERs write the articles (I recognised a few good customers names in recent issues). But if they are going to stray from that strategy for other columns then they should have USERs proof read the issue before publishing it. There is no reason why they can't email someone the articles to proof before going to the press. I think we can all live with typos, misspellings, missing column layouts, misnumbering, cheaper paper, and what have you as long as content is there. That is what people want. As it is, RUN is down to 48 pages, at least try to pack the remaining pages with excellent information even if the information is of a general/hobby interest. I have said this before and I wish to say it again. C128 and C64 owners do not care to read ads about Amigas, PCs, or anything else. Use your editorial power to fill the magazine with COMMODORE ADS which will benefit the magazine and extents its life. I think it is far better to break a small cleric sweat signing up 12 shareware authors for ads to make a complete page of advertising than it is to give it away to a sister magazine to advertise a competing computer at a cut rate price that doesn't make much money for the magazine. ------------ Category 2, Topic 3 Message 40 Sat Jun 20, 1992 PAUL-MB at 16:33 EDT Amen. ▐▐▐ Paul ▐▐▐ ------------