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I wonder if you might have tried: go 128 Or, perhaps, running some 128 programs in its native C65 mode? :) Howie ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 62 Fri Dec 24, 1993 R.DAY at 07:39 EST Yes I tryed go 128 in 64 mode but it don't work. I tryed running a 128 program in 65 mode. Don't work. I am on my c65 now! with my Aprotek minimodem c24. Using nova term in 64 mode on the c65. The 2nd SID chip is addressed to $d420 the 1st is $d400. Showdow of them at at $d440 for the 1st SID and $d460 for the 2nd SID chip. After that something else is addressed at $d480. There is a jumper in it that says NTSC I jumped it but no diffints. The video in RGB don't look good. gray and wight colors go all wight. Switch to 40 modem and it's just black and witht but clear. At lest in mine the bilt in 1581 don't work good. I have to put a disk in and out then some times can get a dir. And some times load a file. So I just run a changed device program gthat came with my 1581. so I don't have to use the bilt in 1581. A lot of programs work in 64 mode! I know stereo editer works and it did not when I tryed with the Turbo master CPU that has a c5c02 and this c65 usis like a 65c02 the 65 bilt in monitor will show c5c02 codes. I don't now how this modem is working because this is suppos to have a bilt in ulta chip. I wander how it hooks up? O well I will see if I can get a stereo player to work with this. But is't hard because it is not at a start of a page and have to change the other byte too. Mybe stereo player 10.04 will be out if I can do it. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 63 Fri Dec 24, 1993 C128.JBEE at 08:17 EST Sounds like it could have been very C-64 compatible. Stereo SIDs would have been neat built in! ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 64 Sat Dec 25, 1993 L.MCCLURE at 02:00 EST Nice to see someone got their C65 in time for Christmas. I had been checking with my bank, and Grapevine charged my VISA at the first of the week, so I was hoping it might make it here by today. Alas, no. Thanks for the confirmation that the power supply matches the 1581 PS pinouts (even if it requires more power). ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 65 Sat Dec 25, 1993 R.DAY at 08:18 EST Well Some things about the c65. I am on it now. I did have some problums with the video. But I was using digital RGB mode. I put it to Analog RGB and it works and looks a lot better! I have having problums with the right cerser key It was because the top cuver of this c65 was rubbing aganst the key. I chissoled some plasic off with a knuff. The same problum was with the disk drive. Tjhe bilt in 1581. Plasic would not let the disk set good in the drive. I knuffed if off too and now it works very good. As a fast 1581 in 64 modem on the C=65. I don't think it's as fast as jiffydos but seems to be all most as fast. I think it only uses 1 CPU to do the computer and disk drive. It looks like this has a 256k ROM chip in it for all the ROM. It don't look like in 64 mode it uses any thing but the 2nd sid chip in 65 mode. I will you could go the +3 mhz. But don't look like it can. I think the RS232 switch in 65 mode to a aulta type. I hope we can get some info on how to program this in 65 mode. Else this is just a 64 with bilt in 1581. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 66 Sun Dec 26, 1993 R.DAY at 15:26 EST How could we get some info on the c65? Is there any way? The expansion port has 50 pins. Could there be some way to convert it to use c64 cartridges? This must be the best 8 bit computer. It seems like about 550% of programs run in 64 mode. In 65 mode it has some commands that say unimplemented command error. Like rgr, width, sprdef, quit, off set, viewport, and pic. The ones I have found. It has genlock that I don't know how to use or what it does. It has backup. I can't figger it out. In 64 mode it will not clear the 2nd SID chip but in 65 mode it will with a RUN STOP, RESTORE. I guess Fred Browd or how every you spell his name would know about this. How could we get a hold of him. Some one should send him all this text in this topick. If Commodore finnshed this and sold it, how menny would get it? It looks like a very good computer. Better then the 128 you don't have to swop screens 80 and 40 are all in RGB. But the 64 mode has some problums. It seems like no fast loads will work with it. One good thing is the screen will not make diz. sound sound any diffint with the screen on or off! This VIC 3 must not take any timming out of the CPU. This computer don't get hot at all to! no heet sinks on any chips! ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 67 Mon Dec 27, 1993 C128.JBEE at 10:50 EST How do you know it has a genlock? Is it marked on the board as such? ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 68 Mon Dec 27, 1993 M.MATTING [mats] at 14:50 EST We currently got our two new c65's to Germany. It came (nice for us) with a 220 Volt power supply and PAL, but it didn't contain any documents. So I'll ask this question here: How do I get the 320x200x256 color mode? Most commands are c128like, but some are not. GRAPHIC, for example, does always give a syntax error :( Three or four of the commands already in ROM produce an "UNIMPLEMENTED COMMAND ERROR", while the ROM-version still is 0.9.90111. There are other interesting commands like GENLOCK, but no description at all. Has anybody else made other "investigations"? Thanks for help in this case Yours Matthias *s Something more (now online): We actually didn't find that much programs running in c64-mode. GEOS doesn't ( [C [D [D [D. Most games do have problems with their sound. There are a lot of jumpers on the board, but we couldn't figure out one to change the device number of the internal drive. In 40 and 80 columns the screen is very bright and colorful, but as I wrote, the new VGA-mode isn't to find. One nice "bug": If you format a disk in 64-mode, you have to write ..."N0:test,xx" while with the 64 the "N" is enough... The board is assembled in Hongkong, keyboard by Mitsumi, drive by Chinon. The BasicV10 sits in bank 3 while in bank 2 there is the floppy-rom. The drive has its own FDC but no CPU. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 69 Mon Dec 27, 1993 R.DAY at 22:10 EST We know it have a command called genlock because you can use the bilt in monitor to see the ROM and this command is in it with others and genlock don't give a unimplemented command error. With this you can store a byte from 0 to ffff in bank 1 but $1f800 to $1ffcf is color for the 80 collum just like $d800 is on the 64 and this color ram is 8 bits wide not just 4! In 65 made I can't figger out how to see the input output of the SID chips. But in the roms its at $d400 and $d420. The control G will dig on one side and play will sound on the other side the vide U shapped DIN plug will out put in mono that is both SID chip. I wish some one could tell us some good info on this. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 70 Tue Dec 28, 1993 S.GOLDSMITH2 [Iron.Man] at 05:42 EST Mats, You might try Fred Bowen via Internet. I'm sure he has played with the C65 256 color mode. He helped me with VDC 640X480 interlace on the 128 and you may get a response from him to. Let me know if you get 256 color mode to work since I've done quite a bit on my VGA 386... SG :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 71 Wed Dec 29, 1993 R.DAY at 03:46 EST I have made stereo player to work at $d420! Yes it auto finds it there still. I my be the 1st to lisin to stereo SID on a C65. It should be uploaded by this week end. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 72 Wed Dec 29, 1993 C128.JBEE at 10:27 EST Now that's c00l :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 73 Wed Dec 29, 1993 R.DAY at 18:29 EST I got the stereo player working a little better but still have some work to do. I herd about 30 stereo SID's on my c65 all ready and they sound very good. Nice and colorifol too. I had to mode some code around to fit some and now I guess some jump is jumping in the wrong place. It looks up on my 128 when dune with a SID :(. But on my C64 it don't. I think because a code will not lock the 65C02 up. I am close to getting it. I just have to fix this and some problum with the filter I think because the SID registers get copyed and I can't incress the copyed SID registers to a low address too. After fixing that I think I will have to make the config. save out one more byte, the low SID address. I still think I will have it finnished by this weekend I hope :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 74 Thu Dec 30, 1993 C.OGLE2 [V128_B.Stick] at 02:17 EST I'm glad to see the C65 does indeed work. I talked with a couple of the techs at Grapevine, and they said "There is no way it will work, because Commodore never produced a NTSC converter chip." All it takes is a 1581 power supply, huh? ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 75 Thu Dec 30, 1993 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] at 07:25 EST RD: Does all of this mean you have the source to the SID Player? Seems you would almost have to to be doing all of this twiddling. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 76 Fri Dec 31, 1993 R.DAY at 00:19 EST The 1581 power pupply does not have the power this = the amps. to power the c65. It my brn out right away or mess up the c65!!! The pin out is the same and the volts are the same. A CMD hard drive power supply would work super on a c65 or my be grape vine is selling them. I wish I had the source code to stereo player! I am just using super snapshot. It is hard with out any source code! I all most have it. one one thing, after the config get were your 2nd SID chip is it clears it and stores some other # in it. Still registers 4, B, and E to 14 are being filled. I think I get it and them run it and it still fills more. I hope to get it in 1 or 2 more days. I did not have any filter problums with the program but with my c65. The filters just must be very bad! Sounds like a bad A.M. raideo. Boy I know raideo is only 5 letters radeo my be. I am sorry my speeling is so bad. But thank for not saying any thing about it people. Boy on Q-link people just complane about it a lot. I guess you my thing is the modem line here. I have a error right US robotics 14400 modem all most all ways just at 2400. My aprotek would get som errors. But this US robotics never does! ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 77 Fri Dec 31, 1993 C128.JBEE at 12:23 EST Your hacking ability more than makes up for your spelling and is a lot better than mine at a 2:00 am RTC :D By the way, if you play around a bit you will find Basic 8.0 like commands in ROM for use on the 80 column screen (I believe). ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 78 Fri Dec 31, 1993 R.DAY at 18:23 EST Thank you for telling me my hacking makes up for my spelling! I have all the c64 commands. I got them from the ROM. I tryed a lot but not all them. Some you need some thing or a # after it and I don't know how. Any way some very good news. I got stereo player to play stereo songs at any bank be it $d420, $d440, going up by $20 or 32 dec. But some bad news too. Now mono songs sound bad :( I have to look in to that yet. I know better how the stereo player is programed at lest. How I did this was fake out the 2nd SID chip to be at $B040 and looked at that ram to see if it put any #'s at $B040 or $B060. It now just puts them to $B040 when I set it there. But I know the Mono songs put # in the wrong place. I my work on it tonight. I had to help a friend work on fixing up there kichin. Now counter top and cubers and hooking up a dish washer. So Like I herd other programs say. I do have a life too. But I have been working on stereo player a lot. I am happy I all most have it :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 79 Fri Dec 31, 1993 C128.JBEE at 22:37 EST The format of the unknown commands for the 80 column screen probably work in a format like COMMAND ##, ##, ##, ##, ## I would start with low numbers like 50-100 because they are probably x,y coordinates. :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 80 Mon Jan 03, 1994 C128.JBEE at 15:21 EST > R.DAY > We know it have a command called genlock because you can use the built > in monitor to see the ROM and this command is in it with others and > genlock don't give a unimplemented command error. Only a guess, but I bet the genlock command was suppose to work with an external device and the command was also used for passing along which color would be the invisible color (usually black) for when the signals were genlocked. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 81 Tue Jan 04, 1994 L.MCCLURE at 21:39 EST === LONG POST WARNING! === It has arrived! After sacrificing a good deal of time I should have been sleeping (and paying for it that night at work), I learned a few things about the C65: First, a 1581 power supply (at least the one I have) *is* sufficient to power the machine. The power supply does get quite warm in doing so, but I worked at least a few hours today with no problems. However, for long term reliability (of the power supply), I would still advise the use of something with more reserve, such as a CMD HD power supply, or a PC power supply with a 4-pin DIN grafted on. The only flaw I have found in the construction of the machine is that the right cursor key binds. This was true for another person on comp.sys.cbm, and in his case, turned out to be a fixable construction flaw. Since I will be taking mine apart, I should be able to remedy this on mine in much the same manner as he did. The cursor keys are in a inverted "T" arrangement, just like the Amiga and most modern PC keyboards. The C65 screen comes up beautifully on my 1080's screen in gloriously crisp RGB analog, with a deep blue background, and white text, defaulting to 80 columns. The borders are very small, giving more screen real estate than a C64. Their is a rainbow of color bars at the top left, the "COMMODORE C65 DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM" logo, and the BASIC 10 logo with the revision number (which is 0.9xxxxx something; I forgot to write all those numbers down <grin>). Oh, and it also says "NO EXPANSION RAM PRESENT". (The C65 has a hatch on the bottom roughly 3" x 6" [I have not measured it yet] with an expansion connector inside, similar to the Amiga 500 and 1200). Now for some info most of you might find of some interest, but fellow and future C65 owners will especially want to take note of. (Most of this message will be posted on the Commodore groups on Delphi, GEnie, and comp.sys.cbm). FUNCTION KEYS: F1 - Toggles from 40 columns to 80 F3 - "DIR" F5 - Moves cursor to beginning of prior word (or space if blank line) F7 - Moves cursor to beginning of next word F9, F11, F13 - No apparent function HELP - "HELP" The shifted function keys: F2 - Erases all below cursor F4 - "DIR "*=PRG"" F6 - "KEY 6" F8 - Goes in machine language monitor F10, F12, F14 - "KEY x" (x = fkey#) Issuing a "PRINT FRE(0)" command gives a result of 57,085. An argument of (1) gives 55,296. (2) gives 0, and (3) gives an illegal quantity error. POKE 53280,x still changes the border color, but there is a BORDER command that does the same (and a FOREGROUND and BACKGROUND command, as well). Only 1- 16 is accepted, in both 40 and 80 column mode, so evidently the 265 color mode is not available in text mode (or at least, is not the default). 0-255 is accepted if one uses the POKE, but it rolls over after each increment of 16, resulting in the same colors. THE REGISTER COMMAND DECIPHERED: The REGISTER command takes the following form: REGISTER x,y,a,b,c x = 0 or 1 (I don't know what this does yet) y = 0-255 (the register number) a = 0-15 (red value) b = 0-15 (green value) c = 0-15 (blue value) Unfortunately, this has no effect on the text screen, and the GRAPHIC command apparently has a different syntax than the C-128's BASIC. OTHER NEW COMMANDS DECIPHERED (at least partially): DMA: Accepts DMA0,DMA1,DMA2,DMA3. I do not know what this does, other than the fact that a value of 1 or 3 fills the screen with "@" symbols. TYPE: Apparently displays a file (sequential) to screen. (Sorry folks, I did not have my disks handy to try this out). PEN: Form is PEN x,y, where x=0-2, and y=0-255. DPAT: Form is DPATx, where x=0-63 GENLOCK: Either GENLOCK ON or GENLOCK OFF. You will note a difference in the screen, but I doubt this will do much without genlock hardware. <grin> CHANGE: I used the form CHANGE "CHARLE" TO "CHARLIE" , and it did not give me an error. I suspect this is a text editing command. FIND: Using FIND "CHARLIE" gave no error. (In retrospect, I really should have written a program with REM CHARLIE in it and then tried this. UNIMPLEMENTED COMMANDS: Issuing the following commands results in an "UNIMPLEMENTED COMMAND ERROR" (BASIC 10 was not yet finished, folks): PAINT, PASTE, CUT, LOCATE, SCALE, WIDTH, QUIT, OFF, SET, VIEWPORT There may have been others, but these were the ones I recorded. BTW, if you want to search for commands, look in memory, starting around decimal 9380. OTHER COMMANDS: Many other commands (such as WINDOW) appear to work just as in BASIC 7.0 on the 128. GRAPHIC CLR works, but as noted, the standard 7.0 syntax for GRAPHIC otherwise gives a syntax error. BTW, I plan on digitizing the exterior and interior of my C65 and uploading the results. Likely I will not have time to accomplish this until the weekend. The digitizers I have access to work on the STe (VIDI-ST), and the Amiga (DCTV). If anyone knows of a utility that will convert these to a form suitable for viewing on a C64/128 (other than GIF, which is all I can do now), let me know. Unfortunately, even with DCTV, the pics will be only greyscale, as I only have a B&W camera in my possession. (I have to travel 150 miles to borrow a camcorder for use with DCTV, at present). Also, if there is sufficient interest in seeing, or at least having, these pics in their native format, let me know, and I will post them as well. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 82 Wed Jan 05, 1994 C128.JBEE at 00:30 EST Does the F1 key toggle 40/80 without having to move a switch on the monitor? If you are using an Atari ST, it is best to do the grayscale as dithered B&W and then convert the ST graphic to a MacPaint. Which can then be ported to either geoPaint or Basic 8. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 83 Wed Jan 05, 1994 R.DAY at 03:51 EST Yes the F! key toggles the 40/80. You can type key just like on the 128 and still get what all the F keys are. The F1 is just a ESC X same as on the 128 to toggle 40/80. But you con't have to switch a switch on the monitor. It's all in RGB mode. You can even have sprites on the 80 screen! ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 84 Wed Jan 05, 1994 C128.JBEE at 14:37 EST Sprites on the 80 column screen, now that would have made it a real worthy 8 bit machine :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 85 Thu Jan 06, 1994 R.DAY at 00:54 EST Yes it does have sprites on the 80 column screen. I found out that genlock on will put the screen to like a interlace mode. I tryed putting a composite video out in one of the 4 pins to the 9 pin RGB out but it did not do any thing good. One pin made the screen look a little differint and the other would mess up the screen a lot and lock the computer up. But that could of be some power going out that pin and the video pin my of be sherting it out. So I don't know. I did find out that pin seven on the U shaped DIN plug for video out is the filter audio in for the other channol of sound. In 65 modem you can put a audio out on pins 5 and 7 to run them though the filters in both SID chips. I don't know what pin 1 is for pin 4 is like a bad black and wight video out. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 86 Thu Jan 06, 1994 L.MCCLURE at 21:55 EST C128.JBEE: Someone else may have answered already, but yes, the F1 key toggles from 40 to 80 columns without having to touch the monitor (both are output from the RGB port). In fact, even when used as a 64, you get crisp analog RGB output. BTW...do you know if Fred Bowen is still at Commodore? I sent him Internet mail tonight to see if there was *any* info that he had on the C65 (beyond his 9-17-93 post of the specs, etc.). Frankly, at this point, I would be satisfied with the proper syntax to use the graphic commands (other than palette, which is the only one I have been able to figure out). ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 87 Sun Jan 09, 1994 L.MCCLURE at 04:51 EST Is everyone else out there that owns a C65 too busy hacking with their machine to post, or just stymied? <grin> ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 88 Sun Jan 09, 1994 G.CORREA [RAMRunner] at 21:26 EST Ha! Some of us are still awaiting delivery of there's!! After calling Grapevine and speaking to there changing voices, there is a wonder if there are any real people there. I've had mine on back order from mid october of 93!! Has anyone else had problems with there orders from Grapevine? :P ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 89 Mon Jan 10, 1994 R.DAY at 03:19 EST I called Grapevine about mybe 7 times. All the time put on hold for at lest 3 min. I guess I spent around $50 on long distance calling them. But in came. I just was asking them if it shipped out. They would say yes. I would ask when then it still would not be here with in 10 or so days so I just called back. Read my post befor this one, I talked about that. I guess they are just to lazy to get them out of the were house. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 90 Mon Jan 10, 1994 L.MCCLURE at 07:07 EST Well, I have a GIF of the C65 (showing the top, back, and left side) ready to upload, but there does not appear to be a proper library to upload non-GEOS 64 graphics to! My machine was ordered at the end of September, and finally arrived last week. I saved money on calls to Grapevine, since except for the calls I made to get tell them, "Yes, go ahead and ship the PAL version", I did not have to call until my bank indicated my VISA card had been charged. After that, I called once, after I thought it should have arrived, and found they had charged my card 10 days prior to the actual shipment. I have made some extensive notes while I had the machine open (the digitized pics of the interior are not very clear, and likely would not be of much use), and will be uploading or posting that as soon as I can put it in coherent form, which will probably take some time. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 91 Mon Jan 10, 1994 C128.JBEE at 16:25 EST Hi :) Just upload the .GIF to : 53. HiRes Pictures --> GIFS <-- ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 92 Sun Jan 16, 1994 R.KIRK7 [Dick] at 17:25 EST Trouble with Grapevine! Boy! I have had an order in for a 128 motherboard and power supply since Oct 1993. I received a power supply in Nov and it turned out to be for the 64. I finally got one for the 128 this past Fri. I hooked it up Sat and it lasted about five minutes before failing. In the meantime I am spending a small fortune in postage returning items and have received no credit todate. They have often stated they are swamped with backorders and received a bad supply of power supplies. Looks like they may still be bad. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 93 Tue Jan 18, 1994 K.PEINDL at 21:00 EST I also am having problems with a order that I place back in the begining of Nov 93 for a that REU without the case. I called them a couple times and have been given various excuses but they have said that I will recieve one. I noticed in there ad that they no longer have the REU as well as the C65. Will keep you all up to date. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 94 Wed Jan 19, 1994 G.STAGLIANO [C128Stag] at 20:25 EST I don't know why grapevine bothers to advertize stuff they don't have or cant deliver? It just wastes everybodies time. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 95 Thu Jan 20, 1994 M.MATTING [mats] at 04:08 EST Great News! We have recently got the complete "C64 DX System Specs" by Commodore, with very god description of all commands, hardware, bustiming and so on. Author: Fred Bowen, with contributions by Paul Lassa, Bill Gardei and Victor Andrade. Of course, everything is preliminary and dated march 1, 1991. While it is stated that "this documentation contains confidential, proprietary and unpublished information of CBM Inc.", it was send by Grapevine with a greater order of C65`s so I think there should be no problem to spread it under c65-owners. One big problem: It is around 500 pages "big" so I cannot send more than one piece to US ;-) I think you`ll understand that... Feel free to ask questions. I will scan & ocr important pages as I have thetime to and upload the text. Bye Matthias ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 96 Thu Jan 20, 1994 L.MCCLURE at 06:50 EST M.MATTING [mats]: I've got a question: What is the syntax for the C-65 "GRAPHIC" command (and the other graphic-related commands, if you have time). I'll post any info recieved to comp.sys.cbm and Delphi to help spread the wealth (hopefully others will hit CIS and other services). 500 pages? Yikes. Has anyone in the US volunteered to pay yet for photocopying and to act as a "C-65 information source" for other C-65 owners (i.e, to photocopy this tome for others for cost + postage)? If not, could you tell me how much (if you would do it) charge for getting the thing copied, and sending it to me? ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 97 Fri Jan 21, 1994 R.DAY at 20:14 EST What, because you order a lot of C65's they sent you this 500 page info? My be you could send it to Parsec, Inc. And he could copy it and sell it to all that would like it. I guess he has the stuff to copy something like that. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 98 Sat Jan 22, 1994 C128.JBEE at 00:16 EST If C= would give the permission, the best thing would be to get the original ASCII text file and offer it as several SFX files online or in printed form. BTW: yes, I do have various binding and copying equipment. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 99 Sat Jan 22, 1994 J.FOWLER [lone wolf] at 00:25 EST Hey i just got off the Grapevines new BBs and guess what ? They are still selling the c 65 or a least listing it in thier product ordering section. along with a lot of 128 and 64 parts. i wonder what's up? ;) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 100 Mon Jan 24, 1994 M.MATTING [mats] at 17:03 EST Well, here are some of the command explanations: GRAPHIC - select graphic mode GRAPHIC CLR GRAPHIC command#, [,args] Basically this is a modified C64-type SYS command, minus the address. In the C64DX system, this will represent the ML interface, not the BASIC 10.0 inter face which is implemented in the development system. [*** THIS COMMAND IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE ***] GRAPHIC CLR initializes (warm-starts) the BASIC graphic system. It clears anyexisting graphic modes, screens etc. and allows a program to commence graphics from scratch ((Doesn`t say to much ... mm)) DMA - Perform a DMA operation DMA command [,length,source(l/h/b),dest(l/h/b),subcmd,mod(l/h) [,...]] [*** THIS COMMAND IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE ***] The DMA command defines and executes a DMA operation. The parameters are used to construct a DMA list, which is then passed to the DMA processor for execution. Refer to the DMA chip specification for details. Chained DMA commands are not allowed. (...) DMA 3,2000,ASC("+"),0,DEC("800"),0 Fill screen with "+" DMA 0,2000,DEC("800"),0,DEC("8000"),1 Copy screen to $18000 DMODE - Set graphic display mode DMODE jam,comp,inverse,stencil,style,thickness jam 0-1, complement 0-1, inverse 0-1, stencil 0-1, style 0-3, thickness 1-8 FRE(0) memory left in the program area (bank 0) FRE(1) memory available in variable area (bank 1) FRE(2) number of expansion RAM banks present GENLOCK - Enable or disable video sync mode & colors GENLOCK ON [,color#] GENLOCK OFF [,color#,R,G,B] To enable video sync mode and specify which colors are affected, use the GENLOCK ON command, and list the palette color indices (0-255) which will display external video MOUSE - Enable or disable the mouse driver MOUSE ON [,port[,sprite[,position]]] port = joyport 1,2 or both (1-3) sprite = sprite pointer (0-7) position(x,y) The user must load a pointer into the proper sprite area ($600-$7ff). PALETTE - Define a color PALETTE [screen#COLOR],color#,red,green,blue RMOUSE - Get the mouse position and button status SCREEN - Graphic command The SCREEN command is used to initiate a graphic command. It always precedes another command word which identifies the graphic operation to be performed. SCREEN CLR color# Clears the currently opened graphic screen using the given color value SCREEN DEF define a graphic screen SCREEN DEF screen#,width,height,depth screen# (0-1), width (0=320, 1=640, 2=1280), height (0=200, 1=400) depth (1-8 bitplanes = 2-256 colors) defines a logical screen, specifies size and color. Does not allow access to it and does not display the screen. SCREEN SET - Set draw and view screens SCREEN SET DrawScreen#,ViewScreen# (0-1 both) screen must be defined and opened first. SCREEN OPEN - Open a screen for access. SCREEN OPEN screen#[,error_variable] (0-1) This command actualy sets up the screen and alocates the neccessary memory for it. If it`s the view screen it will be displayed. If it`s the draw screen, it can now be drawn to. (...) SCREEN CLOSE - Close a screen Hope graphic programming will be possible now! I could send the whole bunch of pages to c128.jbee if he would have the time to distribute copies. No money neccessary ;-) Anybody could contact COMMODORE for asking if it is allowed to distribute the system specification on GEnie? Yours M. Matting [mats] (Feel free for more questions) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 101 Mon Jan 24, 1994 C128.JBEE at 19:11 EST Interesting that they built in a mouse driver! ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 102 Mon Jan 24, 1994 F.OGLE [Color BBS] at 21:54 EST Heh, especially coming from C= ;) ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 103 Tue Jan 25, 1994 R.DAY at 18:36 EST could you tell us what all the pins are on the expansion port? All so on the RGB Video port? I know the ones for RGB but what are the rest for? It does have 9 pins. The Video 8 pin one too. I hope you can give us this info! ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 104 Wed Jan 26, 1994 R.DAY at 21:35 EST I made the c65 do a circle I did not speed a lot of time doing it but did see it can do it. Here is what I did: 5 graphic clr 10 screen def 0,0,0,8 20 screen open 0 30 screen set 0,0 40 circle 170,100,100,0 try that. I don't get how to get other collers. Need to lern a lot more. Raymond Day ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 105 Thu Jan 27, 1994 C128.JBEE at 03:38 EST Colors could probably be done like they are on the +4/128 COLOR #,# First number is the mode, second is the color. I would just try color 1,1 color 2,1 color 3,1 etc and see what changed. Throw it in an FOR/NEXT loop with either a SLEEP or GETKEY command. ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 106 Wed Feb 02, 1994 C128.JBEE at 06:24 EST >L.MCCLURE >BTW...do you know if Fred Bowen is still at Commodore? Yes, he is. He should be online shortly under his old name FREDBOWEN ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 107 Wed Feb 02, 1994 GEOS-TIM at 20:48 EST In fact, he will be in the RTC on February 22 at 10 pm. EST. He will be there as my "guest speaker", and I'm sure we will be covering a variety of subjects. :) -Tim ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 108 Wed Feb 02, 1994 G.CORREA [RAMRunner] at 21:41 EST Ooooh- that should be good. Makes me wish I had stuck with the C65 order instead of cancelling it when I found out it was PAL. Ah well. Grapevine is ticking me off too. They *still* haven't delivered my printer, mouse, and programs I ordered in place of the 65- I call every so often, and it's a different excuse each time. First it was waiting on ribbons. Then they were waiting for them (printers) to come from their warehouse (?- snow too heavy for someone to go over?!?). Last I heard they were waiting on paper guides. ***NEVER*** again shall I order from Grapevine. I'll consider myself fortunate ***IF*** I get this order, never mind the $20 difference they'll owe me from what I sent for the 65. I'm wondering what horrors I will have to go thru to retrieve that. -K ------------ Category 2, Topic 5 Message 109 Wed Feb 02, 1994 L.MCCLURE at 23:36 EST Some interesting info from comp.sys.cbm: c65 - graphics info... From: Simon Laule <c900cade@w255zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de> ~