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From: Radioactive Warrior <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Comm128D to PC
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 22:14:03 +0000
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Mr. Self Destruct wrote:
>=20
> Or even easier....
>=20
> If you have one phone line:
> 1. Take it off the hook, wait for it start beeping.
> Eventually it will stop and the line will go "dead"
>=20
> 2.  On one term program hit atdt123 or something
> and on the other do ATA
>=20
> Its worked for me so...
>=20
> You have to wait for the line to go dead cause if not
> one of those stupid operator messages comes on and throws you off.

What are you on about???  You don't need the phone company for the two
modems to connect...  I do this all the time...  If you are using a
C=3D 1670 modem, issue an ATD command.  At the same time the other modem
(on your PC term) should be issued an ATA command...  Both modems connect=
ed
together using the standard two-conductor phone cord but NOT connected
to dialtone (ie. the house fone...)  They should connect right up...

If you have a smarter modem (SUPRA 2400+bps or APROTEK2400, like I
have) you will need to set the modem to ignore the dialtone before you
issue the ATD command or it will error out with, NO DIALTONE...
For the APROTEK MINIMODEM-C24, use ATX3...  This goes for your PC modem
too but only if it is originating (ATD)- when answering, most/all modems
don't detect the dialtone or lack of.  I have only gotten the ATX3 comman=
d
to work on the minimodem-C24, all others I have had to play with the=20
S registers- refer to your modem user book for details...

And you guys have been using X1541 all this time <GRIN>

ok, hope this helps-
Radioactive Warrior
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Hildon)
Newsgroups: alt.c64,comp.sys.cbm
Subject: COMPLETE COMMODORE INNER SPACE ANTHOLOGY
Date: 4 Jul 1996 02:23:02 GMT
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Hello All,

Well, so far I've received 9 e-mail responses regarding copies of my
book. Only problem is I only have 2 and the only fair thing to do is
offer them to the first 2 respondents.

I would, however, be willing to investigate the cost of a small run of
reprints, but I'm reasonably sure that a run of 7 would put the cost
per piece above $10 each, not to mention the cost of shipping which
I've already checked out at the post office... around $8.

Please e-mail me at "[e-mail]" and I'll be back in about a
week with survey results.

Regards, Karl
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From: _@_.mil
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Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: C64 Prog Ref Gu
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 19:12:24 -0700
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Brett Tabke wrote:
>=20
>  vm> The Project 64 etext of the Commodore 64 Programmer's
>  vm> Reference Guide, first edition. Converted to etext by
>  vm> Ville Muikkula. ...
>=20
>  vm> I hope that this massive
>  vm> project shows to the C=3D community that it is in a fact
>  vm> possible for one man to convert a 500 page book to
>  vm> ASCII text. One just have to be dedicated, believe that
>  vm> it can be done and have the PATIENCE for it...
>  vm> of free time. So, who's going to etext Inside Commodore
>  vm> DOS?
>=20
> Who has Gerald Nuefeld's email address?  I'd like to forward a copy
> of the above message to him and visacorp.
>=20
> Last time I looked there was a copyright notice on the inside
> of the above mentioned books.

Well I doubt Mr. Neufeld (& his lame side-kick, Mr. Immers) bothered to=20
pay attention to the copyright notice on the original Commodore 1541=20
source code document that they copied (modified a bit), and used to fill=20
the majority of their book!

"etext" away boys... 'them that live by the sword...

Sarg.
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From: Phil Porth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Where is DAVID JANSEN
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:13:41 -0600
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
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>

On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Joesph Fenn wrote:

> David writes stuff for loadstar so send email to Jeff at loadstar email
> address which is  [e-mail].   They will give you info on how
> to reach David direct.  He wrote  "Daves Term" which is possibly the
> most complete term program ever written for the C128.  Its even got
> builtin zip and unzip extensions, and is on a parallel with Dialogue
> and Desterm in other aspects.  His program had to be put on (3) 1581
> disks it sook up so much room.  Think It started with 128 Disk issue
> # 27.

Too bad it doesn't support the Ramlink, Swiftlink or higher baud rates.

Phil Porth (aka Phone Man)

From the land of the frozen North, Calgary Alberta Canada
Home of the Calgary Stampede
and Calgary Commodore Users Group


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From: Radioactive Warrior <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Zip Drives
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 22:33:50 +0000
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[e-mail] wrote:

> I use one everyday on my 128. The Zip drive requires a SCSI interface a=
nd
> so I use the CMD-HD as the interface. With the Zip added to the system,=
 it
> basically makes my CMD-HD 100 megs larger.
>=20
> -Maurice

Do tell... How do you format the disk- any special commands need to be
issued?  What ROM do you have in your CMD hard drive?  Is there any
problems if you switch disks, or will an "I0" command work?  Can you
make the drive write protected on the CMD? (the ZIP disk uses software
write-protect only...) =20

A friend of mine couldn't get his to talk to the ZIP drive using a CMD
hard drive interface but he has had many problems with the thing anyway
- stuff like only being able to use SCSI hard drives that will format
using 256 bytes per sector (contrast the 512 bytes/sector standard...)
So it could be his interface (or him...) but I would be very interested
in the details...

Thanks,
Radioactive Warrior
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From: Dennis Brew <[e-mail]>
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I have downloaded some CP/M programs from the ftp sites and cant get them=
=20
to run.

I have loaded the CP/M disk for the c128 type in the name at the prompt=20
A> but it don't seem to find the program, can anyone explain what I am=20
doing wrong.

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew R. McInnis)
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Subject: archive software?? needed
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hi again
does anyone know of a site where i can download a copy of zip to unzip so=
me
files and do i need a 1571 to use zip???
thanks
andy
p.s. thanks to all who responded to what is a .sfx and my other messages =
which
have really helped me learn a commodore..
four months and i havent accidentally erased a disk yet!!!!!!
i am making a web site that will have a link to all the ftp sites i know =
very
soon.  i will put the address on here when i am finished
thanks
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From: "Bruce R. McFarling" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Multithreading OS for the C64, Erratum
Date: 4 Jul 1996 03:42:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Andre Fachat) wrote:
>Bruce R. McFarling ([e-mail]) wrote:
>> ... (That includes the original 6502, with 64K RAM,
>> 16K ROM, and 0K < IO < 4K

>You mean C64, don't you?

Can you tell I'm almost done marking final exams?
Yeah, that should have read "C64" instead of 6502.

Virtually,

Bruce R. McFarling, Newcastle, NSW
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Seyler)
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Subject: Instructions for Commodore Music Composer
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:17:03 GMT
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Can anyone tell me how to enter music and save to disk?
I bought the cartridge used and it did'nt have instructions.


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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Apple LaserWriter IINT and GEOS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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I'm attempting to hook up an Apple LaserWriter IINT to a C64 via an RS232
interface to use with GEOS V2. So far it's been quite unsuccessful. Has
anybody had success with a LW IINT plus GEOS?

The RS232 interface provides the standard 9V+- and uses two RS232 line Dr=
iver
and Receiver chips. Works fine with a modem.
The IINT receives at 9600 baud Xmodem protocol, has full Postscript
implementation and is compatible with the earlier Apple LaserWriter Plus.
The GEOS LW drivers are the ones supplied with V2- GeoLaser, and GeoPubLa=
ser.
I've also tried Jim Collette's preprocessors.

Using an RS232 tester, it appears that the data is being sent to the prin=
ter,
but the printer's "Processing" LED doesn't indicate anything is being don=
e, and=20
nothing prints.
I've tried different 64s in case a CIA is the trouble, tried inverting th=
e
output of the interface, to no avail.

Is a LW IINT specific driver needed for GEOS due to some unforseen
compatability problem? Or should I give up and just hunt around for an or=
iginal
Apple LaserWriter? The IINT has no centronics interface so I cannot use a
parallel cable, just AppleTalk (hah!) or 9600baud RS232.


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"The only certainty is death, yet we live as though we were immortal"-Unk=
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From: Radioactive Warrior <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: More I/O questions... This time, $DD00.
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 01:26:23 +0000
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I am slowly learning the CIA chip and all it's tricks but I am stuck
at the following routine that is used in many fast loader programs to
transfer data from the disk drive rappidly.  This routine was
sandwiched in between a timing routine an a store byte/loop if not
done routine-

         LDA #$00
         LDX #$04
         STA $DD00
[loop]   LSR
         LSR
         EOR $DD00
         DEX
         BNE [loop]

I guess it's the "EOR" instruction that I don't understand...  Anyway
I do see it sending two bits at once and looping four times to gather
a byte in .AR but wouldn't the EOR invert the bits?  Well, if you know
what I am talking about please clue me in as to any other techniques
used to transfer data rapidly between a 1541 (stock...)

Thanks,
Radioactive Warrior
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From: Phil Porth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: C64 archivers
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:38:39 -0600
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To: Jari Karppinen <[e-mail]>
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On 30 Jun 1996, Jari Karppinen wrote:

> them were packed with c64 archives unknown to me...
>
> can anyone tell me how to unpack files with extension .SFX ?
> It is supposed to be somekind of self extracting archive, right --- but
> how do I get it to extract itself?
Load and Run,with ,8 if it won't run it wasn't downloaded correctly. Some
Lynx programs won't recognize .sfx filetypes as being Binary files.
>
> Also there were some LHA archives, which contained files with names
> like: 1!turbo, 2!turbo etc.
If they are 1!turbo.lha then somone has played around with them as 1!, 2!
etc. are 64 zipped files and shouldn't be lh'arced download the zip.sda
prg from any 64/128 FTP site, or most bulletin boards. There should be "4=
"
files which when unzipped will create a whole 1541 disk side.anyway....?
Maybe somebody just renamed the files with the .lha extension without
really converting them.
Hope this helps

Phil Porth (aka Phone Man)

From the land of the frozen North, Calgary Alberta Canada
Home of the Calgary Stampede
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From: Phil Porth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: How to connect to internet with a C64?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:12:23 -0600
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To: daniele righini <[e-mail]>
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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, daniele righini wrote:

> Anyone can say me how is possible to connect a C64 or C128 to inter-
> net for various services like FTP, E-MAIL, NEWSGROUPS and browsing
> WWW or GOPHER sites.
> What I need: programs, hardware etc.
> Where is possible to find programs ? (in case, also sites where all
> these programs are downloadly).
For the 64 or 128 the first thing you need is an internet provider willin=
g
to give you a Dos Shell access account, NOT Graphics (PPP or SLIP)
With the Dos Shell account you can use programs provided by the company,
they are called Lynx and Pine. These, when properly configured will allow
you to access Newsgroups, E-Mail WWW and FTP access. The Newsgroups are
the best place to correspond with "experts" in the Commodore community.


On the 64/128 you can usually get by with a C=3D1670 1200 baud modem, but
with a Swiftlink rs232 adaptor you can run any modem up to 38 k baud.
For the 64 a good term program is Novaterm 9.5 downloadable from many FTP
sites. Try the url ftp://ftp.ccnga.uwaterloo.ca/pub/cbm
For the 128 a good term program (in 80 columns) is Desterm V2.0 also at
the same FTP site. Both of these programs have VT102 emulation which  you
will need to access the Dos Shell account.

> We need to contact other hardware experts for ideas and information
> exchange.

Hope this helps your group. Don't be surpised if most of the people on
here are in the older age bracket. [;) Most kids still think that faster
is better while us "older users" are still trying to see what we can wrin=
g
out of our old machines. I still haven't found anything that I "NEED" to
do that I can't do with my 128.

Phil Porth (aka Phone Man)

From the land of the frozen North, Calgary Alberta Canada
Home of the Calgary Stampede
and Calgary Commodore Users Group


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From: Pontus Berg <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 00:11:06 +0200
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In a message of 30 Jun 96 Dan Deel wrote to All:

 DD> Could someone tell me where I can get a good C64/C128 emu for
 DD> Windows/Windows95?

A great question ... in Comp.EMULATORS.CBM! (The answer is PC64 2.02 but =
any
followup to that one is for thementioned group only - here we go for the =
real
thing!)

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... MicroSoft, as good as AIDS!
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In a message of 01 Jul 96 Yogi wrote to All:

 Y> Besides, no one
 Y> reads emulator newsgroups except people who write the emulators.

So if noone here answer you, will you ask in Comp.sys.Atari (whatever) an=
d
follow to "Alt.binaries.picuters.nude.celebreties" (or whatever it's call=
ed)
untill you find someone not getting pissed off?

Different newsgroups are for different subjects. It's either OK or OT (fo=
r OFF
topic), which means you may and may not aksk the question in that newsgro=
up!

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From: Phil Porth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Name the most common post to comp.sys.cbm
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On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Steve De Rose wrote:

>   I am amazed that no one has suggested =3D
>   41) How can I {swive (look it up)} my JiffyDOS?   !=3DD>
                   ^^^^^ Not in my Funk and Wagnalls

Phil Porth (aka Phone Man)

From the land of the frozen North, Calgary Alberta Canada
Home of the Calgary Stampede
and Calgary Commodore Users Group


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From: Phil Porth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: SuperCPU-64 status?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:00:00 -0600
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On 2 Jul 1996, Rich Will Powers wrote:

> Ok, I'm curious.  What is SuperCPU-64?
>
the 5 cent explanation ....A plug in 20 meghz. processor for the 64

Phil Porth (aka Phone Man)

From the land of the frozen North, Calgary Alberta Canada
Home of the Calgary Stampede
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From: [e-mail] (Andre Fachat)
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Subject: Re: Multithreading OS for the C64, Erratum
Date: 4 Jul 1996 07:18:15 GMT
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Bruce R. McFarling ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Andre Fachat) wrote:
: >You mean C64, don't you?

: Can you tell I'm almost done marking final exams?
: Yeah, that should have read "C64" instead of 6502.
Well at least someone gets my posts.=20
My articles seem to magically disappear from our news server - after a
few hours they're gone. How many posts on this subject did you get?

Andre
--
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t the
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From: Jason <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What or who is Visacorp?
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 23:00:48 GMT
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Paul Allen Panks ([e-mail]) wrote:
: What is Visacorp, and what is AT?Does it tie in with the Commodore=20
: community? I've been out of touch with the commodore community for abou=
t=20
: half a year now until just recently, so I might have missed something b=
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: inbetween.

Viscorp are a nice bunch of people who like Amigas and have the rights to
sell 'em.  The management of the company is mostly made up of ex C=3D
staff (mainly from CDTV).  The company makes set top boxes (for decoding
cable and so on) and I believe (but may be wrong in saying) that they
were tied in with Escom when C=3D was brought out to do the very same.

AT is Amiga Technologies.  When Escom took over C=3D they split what they
had.  The C=3D label became a PC distributor for Escom's crap machines an=
d
Amiga Tech was founded to sell the Amiga.

One thing I missed is who owns the old 8bit C=3D architecture now?

Jason  =3D-)
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[Hi, I found out what was removing the messages: a cancelbot from=20
alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt! Grrr! So I removed it from the Followup-To-l=
ine
and the Newsgroups line and try to summarize my last posts. Please=20
ignore if you have already read my last posts, but please remove
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--------------------snip-----------------
:       Notice that normally the 6502 address space is full
: with additional memory (if available) banked in by an external
: memory management arrangement.  So if the 6502 *had* 'boundary
: errors' it would be pointless -- I believe the Andre's original
: 6502 box had memory banking on 4K boundaries (is that right?)
Yes you are right. The upper 4 address bits were taken as index
into 16 registers each 8 bit wide. So I had 16 chunks of memory,
each 4kByte in size.
These could then be mapped to any of 256 chunks within the=20
extended up to 1MByte memory.
=20
--------------------snip-----------------
In my original design, the memory pages from other processes just couldn'=
t
be accessed, as they were not mapped in. (As I explained in another
post). A process with 8kByte RAM just had access to 8 kByte RAM
and the rest of the address space would be mapped into some read-only
regions (well, I used the kernel image...)
So that the process can just change it's own RAM.

That's even a way to implement paging, i.e. put a process out on disk=20
if memory is short. Only one thing, as you mentioned, has to be taken
care of: The 6502 cannot detect memory faults, so that _all_ memory pages
belonging to the process must be mapped and accessible when it is run.
(Even if there were some hardware mechanism to detect the fault,
there is no way to restore the original register values as before the
trapped memory access - which is essential to correctly re-execute
the offending opcode after the page has been loaded.
The capability to restore the register values was one of the few
improvements of the Motorola 68010 CPU above the 68000.)

--------------------snip-----------------

Well, I'm using the timer interrupt. But then I use the IRQ timer.
A disadvantage is, that 'nasty' programs can take full control over
the machine. An advantage is that the system itself cannot be=20
interrupted when doing critical routines. Well, that could have been
taken care of with a flag (to immediately return from NMI) but
I thought it was easier this way.

And as I wanted to run close-to-hardware processes on the machine, I
wanted a process to be able to protect itself from task switching.
(for timing critical hardware handling)
Which is obviously easier when just doing a SEI instead of=20
calling some StopMultiTasking or RestartMultiTasking (as the Amiga does)
to access some kernel internal flag - which is not available in the=20
process memory.

--------------------snip-----------------

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From: "Bruce R. McFarling" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: How to connect to internet with a C64?
Date: 4 Jul 1996 08:51:00 GMT
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Phil Porth <[e-mail]> wrote:

> For the 64 or 128 the first thing you need is an internet provider
> willing to give you a Dos Shell access account, NOT Graphics (PPP
> or SLIP)

Where did this weird notion that PPP or SLIP are somehow
intrinsically 'graphical' come from?  We saw this last year when
someone was saying the C64 would 'never' get a SLIP because it
didn't have the capabilities, and turns out he meant graphic
capabilities.

Is it a common practice of providers who sell PPP or SLIP
access to bundle it with a graphical browser as a front end, so
that people confuse the two?  Because Point to Point Protocol or Serial=20
Link Internet Protocol are both just about shuffing a bytestream around.=20
 A SLIP or PPP point-and-click text ftp browser would be as=20
'non-graphical' as VT-100 terminal emulation talking to a shell account.
And, BTW, would also be a hell of a good idea for an alpha for=20
the graphical WWW browsers that different people are developing. 8-)#


Virtually,

Bruce R. McFarling, Newcastle, NSW
[e-mail]


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On 01-Jul-1996, Paul Allen Panks wrote:

> What is the best way of going about doing a TIME function in an adventu=
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> game, one that will help determine weather and how the passage of time=20
> affects the player...?

"Time" in adventure games is measured in *turns*, nothing more. Just set =
a
counter, T=3DT+1, at the start of your main command input loop, and branc=
h to
the appropriate subroutine when the appropriate number of turns has elaps=
ed.

--_____
 {~._.~}       "There are a hundred ways in which a boy can injure -- if =
not
 _( Y )_  not indeed kill -- himself. The more advennturous he is and the
(:_~*~_:) greater his initiative, the more ways he will find. If you prot=
ect
 (_)-(_)  him from each of the hundred, he is sure to find the hundred-an=
d-
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D first. Though most men can look back on their=
 boyhood and tremble
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D at the narrowness of some of their escapes, m=
ost boys do in fact
  W.T.P.  survive, more or less intact, and the wise father is the trusti=
ng
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D father."
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:: --=3D Glenn P. =3D-- ::                 --"The Enchanted Places", Chap=
ter 21,
:: [e-mail] ::                    By: Christopher Robin Milne.