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Subject: Propaganda???
Date: 04 Oct 1996 04:51:19 -0600

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     Hello everyone;

     I was out surfing this morning, and I came across a rather enigmatic
     web site (www.propaganda.de).

     This site has no content other than a message that says
        "Propaganda is back"

     Does anyone have any info on this?  Can we expect some more music from
     one of our favorite ZTT bands?  And if so, who will be in the lineup?

     Thanks in advance for any information, rumors, etc.

     Mike

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: www.propaganda.de
Date: 04 Oct 1996 10:04:47 -0600 (MDT)

I don't know *what* this site might be for -- could be the band, but lots
of people use the name "Propaganda" (could be the German branch of the U2
fanclub for all we know).  Definitely worth keeping an eye on, though.
Has anyone been able to hear the sound file?

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From: Andrew B <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: www.propaganda.de
Date: 05 Oct 1996 03:56:32 -0400

Lazlo Nibble wrote:
>
> Has anyone been able to hear the sound file?

It's a somewhat garbled, non-intelligible collage of sounds.  Nothing
which indicates "our" Propaganda...

andrew

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Proposed List Format Change
Date: 05 Oct 1996 12:21:38 -0600 (MDT)

Given a lot of recent complaints, I'm thinking about switching the list configs
around some.  Certain mailers apparently make it difficult to send personal
replies when the reply-to address is set back to the list (as it is on all
my lists).  I want to know what people would think if I changed things so that
normal replies would go to the original poster and group replies would go to
the original poster and the list.  Along with this I'd probably start adding
the list names to the subject lines of messages that go out over the lists,
to make it easier to see where your incoming email is coming from.

Please send your responses DIRECTLY TO ME (not the list).  If you don't care,
no problem -- but it would change the list behavior some and it's only fair
to give you some warning of that.

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From: Soeren Larsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: AoN laserdisk
Date: 07 Oct 1996 09:57:35 +0200 (MET DST)

Hi AoN-dudes


Yesterday I came across the `Visible Silence` PAL laserdisk. I understand
it`s a live show. Is it good? Is it rare/sought after? Are any of you
looking for this item?

Cheers -

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From: "Joerg Fitzner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Brain: I've Found This Ways
Date: 07 Oct 1996 16:12:32 +0100


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Hello,

here's a round-up of what I know about all the different releases of:

The Brain feat. Claudia Br=FCcken: I'll Find A Way

   CD5: 1995 FR    (The Brain/Dance Pool/Sony: ...) [graphic/title-cardboard=
-sl.]
                I'll Find A Way (Radio Edit)
                Exploitation (Underground DJ Special)

   CD5: 1995 FR    (The Brain/Dance Pool/Sony: DAN 661014 2) [graphic/title-=
sl.]
          3:37  I'll Find A Way (Radio Edit)
          5:17  I'll Find A Way (Club Mix)
          5:20  I'll Find A Way (Original Mix)
          5:26  I'll Find A Way (Progressive)
          4:51  Exploitation (Underground DJ Special)

   12": 1995 GE (Conquest: 803314 6) [ps]
   12": 1995 GE (Conquest: 803314 6) [promo; diff.labels]
      A:        I'll Find A Way (Original Mix)
                I'll Find A Way (Club Mix)
      B:        I'll Find A Way (Progressive)
                Exploitation (Underground DJ Special)

   CD5: 1995 GE (Conquest: 74321 27072 2) [ps]
                I'll Find A Way (Radio Edit)
                I'll Find A Way (Club Mix)
                I'll Find A Way (Progressive)
                Exploitation (Underground DJ Special)

   12": 1995 GE (Warner(?): {THE BRAIN - A}{THE BRAIN - B2}) 'Remixes'
                                                  [w/l-promo; title-stick=
ered]
      A: 10:45  I'll Find A Way (Jam El Mar Mix)
      B:  8:02  I'll Find A Way (Variable Club Remix)
          3:40  I'll Find A Way (Falling Upwards Edit)

   12": 1996 UK (Interpop/Mute: P12 IPOP 2) [promo; title/company-sleeve
                                                        (from 12 IPOP 2)]=

      A: 10:45  I'll Find A Way (Jam El Mar Mix)
      B: 10:21  I'll Find A Way (Fluffed-Up Mary Remix)
          3:37  I'll Find A Way (Radio Edit)  {"The Brain Radio Edit"}

   12": 1996 UK (Interpop/Mute: PL12 IPOP 2) [promo; company-sleeve]
      A: 10:23  I'll Find A Way (Division Soundfactory Extended Dub)
      B:  6:23  I'll Find A Way (Andrew Brix Remix)
          4:16  I'll Find A Way (Fluffed-Up Mary Radio Edit)

   CD5: 1996 UK (Interpop/Mute: CD IPOP 2) [title/company-sleeve]
          3:37  I'll Find A Way (Radio Edit)  {"The Brain Radio Edit"}
          4:16  I'll Find A Way (Fluffed-Up Mary Radio Edit)
         10:45  I'll Find A Way (Jam El Mar Mix)
         10:23  I'll Find A Way (Division Soundfactory Extended Dub)
         10:21  I'll Find A Way (Fluffed-Up Mary Remix)

That's *11* different mixes already!

Don't know about the commercial IPOP 12" release(s).  I guess they are th=
e
same as the promos, if existing.  But it's noteworthy that both the IPOP =
promo
12"es have explicit "P..." matrixes.


My favourites are the "Andrew Brix Remix" and its ancestor the "Variable =
Club
Remix".  Then follow (with some distance) the "Original Mix" and "Jam El =
Mar
Mix".  I'm really sick they've left the A.Brix mix off the new CD single!=



Greetings
Joerg

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Relax - acid mix
Date: 08 Oct 1996 12:49:11 -0400

Picked up the Acid remix of Relax, but am unable to hear it for several
months due to reloaction problems.

Can anyone who's heard it give me a rundown?

Thanks,

-paul


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From: Mike Brown <[e-mail]>
Subject: AoN jungle mixes
Date: 08 Oct 1996 09:55:56 -0700 (PDT)

Life gets worse... here's some news from a friend in the biz:

...there's actually a new LP from China records called The Art of Noise -
The Drum and Bass Collection.  Following on from the Fon and Ambient
albums, they wont let the old dog die!  But it is actually very good -
it's very heavy going in places - but I was pleasently surprised.

Mike

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Proposed List Format Change
Date: 08 Oct 1996 19:17:55 -0600 (MDT)

I've had a lot of response to the list format change proposal I sent out,
and while a few people didn't like the idea the response was overwhelmingly
positive so I'm going to make the changes as soon as I get a chance.

Once again, here's what's going to happen:

  * Replies will no longer be automatically redirected back to the list.
    Check the instructions for your mailer to see how to send repsonses
    to the list address.

  * The name of the list will be prepended to each subject line.

I realize that some people will be inconvenienced by this but the response
I got was 15:1 or 20:1 in favor of these changes, so clearly far more
people are being inconvenienced by the current setup.

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Relax - acid mix
Date: 08 Oct 1996 22:45:15 -0600 (MDT)

> Picked up the Acid remix of Relax, but am unable to hear it for several
> months due to reloaction problems.
>
> Can anyone who's heard it give me a rundown?

If you're talking about the Art Of Mix "acid remix", it's a stock version
of "Relax" with an acid bassline, some additional percussion and a couple
of samples laid over it.  Sounds better than my description might lead you
to believe, though.  :-)

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From: mark wasiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) ztt related dream
Date: 08 Oct 1996 23:19:03 -0700

I hope I'm not the only one out there who has been so obsessed with ZTT
that they have dreamed about it? I know I have had several dreams where
I find lots of rare releases some of which my mind has made up.  I
usually don't remember them but I remember the one from last night so I
thought I'd share it:

I was shopping at some used record store and I came accross a bunch of
ZTT and ZTT related records.  All of them were used but in pretty good
condition and kind of expensive.  I only remembered one of the titles
but there were several.  The one I remembered was the very rare (to say
the least!) ACT's last single.  It was a 12" single called "I Love
Roberta".  The cover was a light blue and had Claudia in a wheat field
on an island.  The back of the sleeve offered a little more
information.  There were two tracks although I don't know the titles
(other than the bizarre 'I Love Roberta').  It did mention that ACT was
now made up of Claudia Brucken and Roberta Allen.  I guess it explains
the title.  Actually, the 12" wasn't a ZTT release, I think it was on
Island actually so it must have come out before her solo material. :)
And to imagine I could have had it for the low price (considering how
rare it is) of $36!  WOW!

So that's my dream.  I'd love to hear anyone elses if they've had any.
That way I won't feel too insane. :)

P.S. I vaguely remember another 12" that was white with black
lettering.  Plastered accross the cover was "DR. MABUSE FAN CLUB 12".  I
was pretty excited about that one too.

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From: mark wasiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) anne dudley & sting
Date: 08 Oct 1996 23:20:17 -0700

I noticed that Anne Dudely co-wrote a song with Sting on his most recent
US 2 track CD single.  It isn't on his album is it?  I was just
wondering if anyone knew anything else about it.  I didn't get to hear
but I saw it at a record store.

mark

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) re: ztt related dreams
Date: 09 Oct 1996 23:34:39 -0400

i haven't had any ztt related dreams, but i had a similar dream once about
the cocteau twins.  i was in a record store, and i found a beautiful cloth
box with all these cocteau twins songs i'd never heard of before.  the only
title i remember was one called "Ankh Saphou."

i thought the concept for cover art and the whole theme for "i love roberta"
was brilliant!  it's amazing that we can internalize an aesthetic enough to
actually further it in our dreams, but i suppose that's what happens in art
all the time.  that dream was really specific, though.

amazing!



e.t.



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From: Soeren Larsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt related dream
Date: 10 Oct 1996 12:47:08 +0200 (MET DST)

Hi fellows

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh dear a funny one. Luv that.

Well. I`ve had many record-collection-related dreams. But once I dreamt
that I visited the SARM studios. I remember the dream very clearly. It was
a huge farm in the mid-north of Jutland (Denmark) near the town where I
live. I think I was visiting the place with a lot of other people (like a
tour bus). Once I intered a huge room where Mr. TCH and some other people
were mixing some music. I didn`t see any window to a recording room which
I found strange. Later I was out in a garden and I couldn`t find my way
out.

The reason for this dream is because I`ve never seen any pictures of the
SARM studios and it`s something I would like to see.

A few years back I dreamt of finding the DMC records which were one of the
first places I heard 808 State music. But it was a sad one because I
couldn't reach them ;-( But for the happy ending I have them now.

Laugh on dudes........

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From: "Joerg Fitzner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt related dream
Date: 10 Oct 1996 13:50:46 +0100

Hello!

That dream of Mark was really great!  I think I'll always watch out for "I Love
Roberta" whenever I am looking for Act stuff on a fair or similar, from now on!
Only it's a pity it wasn't on ZTT :)

I've also dreamed a few times about such things, but I don't remember very
much - it's some time ago.

Once I've had a dream that I've been in London and found a VHS video comilation
of FGTH.  It had a sleeve similar to that of the japanese 'Bang!' remix album,
and I didn't know it had been released at all.  This dream must have been
around 1991, so it was the times when they showed virtually _none_ FGTH video
on TV for years...   And I was really angry on ZTT/Island when I woke up!

Also I once dreamed that I 'met' Holly Johnson on a battle-field.  We were both
soldiers and were in a kind of a hurry (to save our lives).  So there was no
time to ask him my thousands of questions!  Very strange dream - and scary.

Then I dreamed of finding some very rare ZTT records (which really do exist) in
a huge record shop for very few money; i.e. Hoodlum Priest 'Caucasian' 12"
promo.


We Don't Let You Dream Alone
Joerg

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Weaver)
Subject: (ztt) Propaganda - get the hell out!!
Date: 10 Oct 1996 17:57:59 -0400

Hey zangsters -

I received this (very surprising) email from the administration at the
propaganda.de site:

>
>hi scott,
>yes, you are right. prop is back in buisiness. have a look at our site, the
>real stuff is going to happen quite soon.
>by the way, the new album will be great. and we are back with our original
>singer claudia.
>see you soon
>stefan
>

I had _ABSOLUTELY_ no idea that they were getting back together - and that
Claudia will be the singer!!!!  I can't wait!!

Scott


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From: [e-mail] (James Dawson)
Subject: Re: (ztt) Propaganda - get the hell out!!
Date: 10 Oct 1996 16:24:43 -0700

At 05:57 PM 10/10/96 -0400, Scott Weaver wrote:
>Hey zangsters -
>
>I received this (very surprising) email from the administration at the
>propaganda.de site:
>
>>
>>hi scott,
>>yes, you are right. prop is back in buisiness. have a look at our site, the
>>real stuff is going to happen quite soon.
>>by the way, the new album will be great. and we are back with our original
>>singer claudia.
>>see you soon
>>stefan
>>
>
>I had _ABSOLUTELY_ no idea that they were getting back together - and that
>Claudia will be the singer!!!!  I can't wait!!


Did they also offer to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? Sorry, but this sounds
way too good to be true. I think someone is pulling a fast one...

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From: "Geoff Davies" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Propaganda - get the hell out!!
Date: 11 Oct 1996 14:59:59 -0700

Maybe I'm alone on this thought but I have a fear about how the new work will
sound without TCH - I am assuming he is not involved.  I believe the
Propaganda work to be some of the most amazing music I have ever heard and I
don't want that feeling to change.  I remember somebody quoting (on this list)
one of the band members who said that the 'Secret Wish' album was largely
Trevor Horn's doing.

Anybody else?

Geoff.
p.s. apologies to Lazlo for sending this to the wrong list initially.

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Weaver)
Subject: (ztt) Proapagnda followup
Date: 12 Oct 1996 22:45:10 -0400

Hi Group -

Well, I guess the email I got was _NOT_ a fake one (believe me, I had my
doubts).  I couldn't believe the one I received today:

>Thank`s for your interest in Propaganda.
>We=B4re currently writing a new album.
>The members of Propaganda now will be Claudia Bruecken,
>Susanne Freytag and Michael Mertens.
>Ralf Dorper is member of the group "Krupps" and will remain so although
>a collaboration in terms of writing may happen.
>
>Once we know which Record Company we will work with,
>the website will start to develop.
>
>Currently our server has a problem receiving incoming mail,so for
>another 3-4 weeks you may not be able to contact us.
>
>Music Works is my Production Company in Duesseldorf.
>
>regards,
>
>Michael Mertens

So there it is - a real Propaganda reunion...  I am anxious to see what
comes out of this project.  Since Claudia worked with Mertens on the 'Brain'
project, 'I'll Find a Way' could be a good indicator on how the album will
sound...  but who knows.  Either way, it's definately on my want list!

Later,
 Scott


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From: "Till Teuber" <[e-mail]>
Subject:       Re: (ztt) ztt related dream
Date: 16 Oct 1996 11:49:26 +100

Hello List!

 It's good to now that I'm not the only one, who's got crazy dreams
 - dreams that money can't buy -

 I once dreamt that I met Holly Johnson in a Cafe in London. He had
 just released a new album together with a band (I think it was U2).
 The songs were in the rockish-stile of the Liverpool-album.
 I was chating with Holly in a relaxed atmosphere about his book and
 the new album...
 I had this dream in late summer '94, after I read his autobiography
 and just before the releases of "Love&Hate" and "Legendary Children".

 But now back to reality:
 Holly has started recording again. This summer, he recorded two
 tracks. But if and when they'll ever surface nobody knows!

 Solong friends
 and have nice dreams...

 Till

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From: [e-mail] (Delpierre Stephane)
Subject: (ztt) A source of inspiration
Date: 16 Oct 1996 16:17:23 +0200 (DST)


Hello List,

I just want to tell you that when I'm in trouble with myself,
I only have one reflex.
I read parts of A Bone in my Flute, just close the eyes in the night
before sleeping and...
think to Holly and the items in the book we
share.
And after, every kind of problems disapeared, I Feel Myself a God...
it's my own therapy...







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=---Work: psychologist IRC nick : Sunny  Hobby : FGTH
=---Talk : [e-mail] Favourite  smiley  : @}-,-'-  (a rose)
=---Age : 25 ( 1971 March 15)  Weight : 72 Height : 1.82 I.Q : ? Left hand
=---Eyes colours : blue and dark green (Hello D.Bowie) Hiv test - (god...)
=---Acces : 075/ 63.41.17 EVERY TIME AND EVERYWHERE !!!!!!!!!!!

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From: Gianluca Musumeci <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Holly's projects, and what FGTH would be now ?
Date: 16 Oct 1996 22:07:15 +0100 (MET)

Hi to all, in particular to Till and Stephan..

I read that Till was talking about two mysterious tracks recorded by Holly..
Well, if I were you I wouldn't be so sure about Holly's next album...

Look down :

>Date: 10 Sep 96 08:03:21 EDT
>From: Holly Johnson
>To: Gianluca Musumeci <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: R u ok ?==yes!
>I am O.K. And slowly like a snail make a new album. I wish it would happen
>sooner but.......
>
>Thanks for asking...
>
>Love Holly
>

And look at here :

>Date: 16 Sep 96 07:14:39 EDT
>From: Holly Johnson
>To: Gianluca Musumeci <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: ciao
>
>I don't know about another holiday in Venezia, I have been many times. Staying
>in Cannaregio, and on the Lido.
>
>When I start to work on a www site maybe I will let you know.
>
>The new album may be a long way off-it is going slowly at the moment.
>
>Send my love to all at C'a Doro jewellery shop.
>
>love
>Holly
>

So, SURELY Holly will release a new album, but WHEN ? I presume not in 1996
nor 1997.
    ^^^^^^

In my opinion perhaps in 1998.
              =======


I think that if Frankie Goes To Hollywood hadn't broken up, now they would
be a sort of mythical group. Liverpool was a big improovment for the skill
of the musicians.


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Ciao to all

Gianluca

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From: [e-mail] (Delpierre Stephane)
Subject: (ztt) FAB Web site !
Date: 18 Oct 1996 14:21:14 +0200 (DST)


I just want to take your attention to the Web site of Gianluca,
he is FAB !!!!!!!

With all my consideration.

loooook at  http://vega.unive.it/~musumeci/master.html

the lost one,

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From: "Jamie Easo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Seal
Date: 18 Oct 1996 16:39:46 AST4ADT

Hi everyone! My name is Jamie Easo and I'm new to this mailing list.
My primary interest in the list is news and info about Seal and the
new album supposedly coming out at Christmas.

Thanks,
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From: mark wasiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Seal
Date: 18 Oct 1996 14:49:56 -0700

Jamie Easo wrote:
>
> Hi everyone! My name is Jamie Easo and I'm new to this mailing list.
> My primary interest in the list is news and info about Seal and the
> new album supposedly coming out at Christmas.

Since Jamie brought up Seal I thought I'd mention that Seal is on a new
compilation with a new track.  The compilation is called "For Our
Children Too".  It is the second in a series of recordings by popular
artists for the Pediatric Aids foundation.  Seal is on it doing...brace
yourselves... "Puff The Magic Dragon".  I haven't heard it yet nor seen
any details on the production but it does sound interesting.  For some
reason I imagine that it's only Seal and an acoustic guitar but maybe
that's just me.  Has anyone heard this yet?

As for a new album coming out this year, I haven't heard anything but
would welcome any news about it.  Anyone?

mark

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From: mark wasiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Frames DC release in US
Date: 18 Oct 1996 14:52:07 -0700

Frames DC is scheduled for release on Electra records this Tuesday.  I
have a promo of it but I can't find it at the moment.  There is an
intersting little blurb about Trevor Horn on it that I'll post once I
can find it.

BTW, anyone heard anything about any other new ZTT release this year?
The last one I saw/heard was Klymaxx which came out a month or two ago.

mark

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From: kahlil <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) "Puff The Magic Dragon"
Date: 19 Oct 1996 06:58:34 -0700

I listened to this on a Tower station so it may have been the
environment, but I found it a little boring.  The rest of the album was
pretty much the same.  I guess I expected a little interpretation, but
these are straight performances.  Too bad.  I know I won't buy this one
new.

ICE also lists 2 other compilations with Seal:

  JUST SAY NOEL (10/29): something with Wendy & Lisa (no title given).

  SPACE JAM (soundtrack): Fly Like An Eagle (the Steve Miller Band
classic!).

KGB.
http://www.hevanet.com/kahlil/jtqmain.html

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From: "Till Teuber (E-Mail)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:       Re: (ztt) Holly's projects, and what FGTH would be now ?
Date: 21 Oct 1996 13:03:31 +100

Hello List!

I agree, a record-release would be in distant future.
Not only because Holly isn't working very fast, but also it will be
difcult for him to find a record-company. For "Legendary children"
it took him ages until he finaly made a deal with club tools.

"What would FGTH be today?"

Well, they would definatley be in one line with Groops such as:
U2, Cure, Duran Duran , Depeche Mode etc.

The 10th aniversery in 93/94 with RELAX in the charts showed that,
even after all those years, FGTH is still famous.
And I'm sure, if they'd reform and release a record today, they would
be back in the top ten (regardless to the quality).
However, in '93 all bandmembers got interviewed and they agreed, that
reforming the band would be impossible due to disagreements (mostly
Holly against the rest of the band). Everone seamed to be a
bit sentimantel though about the fact, that they dropped such a big
opportunity.
Holly said, he and Wolfgang tried to reform the band for a charity
festival for children in rumania without any success.
Paul used a quote from `Blade Runner':"The star, which shines twice
as bright, lifes half as long!"

Bye,

Till





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From: mark wasiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) new wendy & lisa (kind of)
Date: 23 Oct 1996 17:48:58 -0700

Wendy & Lisa have produced an album by an artist named Doyle Bramhall.
I believe he was the singer with another group but I can't remember the
name.  From the little of it I heard, it was kind of Lenny
Kravitz-mixed-with-Seal-ish.  In the US, it's on Geffen records (further
evidence of the cozy Geffen/Trevor Horn relationship over the years) and
is available on CD and tape with the catalog number of #25001.

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From: mark wasiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) hoodlum priest new release?
Date: 23 Oct 1996 17:50:59 -0700

I don't think I posted this before but if I have please forgive.

I read in an old NME (11/25/95) that Hoodlum Priest had a new single out
called "Naked Time" (Stylus Records #22).  It was described as
"Experimental junglist types, formerly on ZTT".

maybe there is an album out by now?

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From: "Henrik Lundstroem" <[e-mail]>
Subject:       Re: (ztt) hoodlum priest new release?
Date: 24 Oct 1996 18:03:28 GMT +0100


> I don't think I posted this before but if I have please forgive.
>
> I read in an old NME (11/25/95) that Hoodlum Priest had a new single out
> called "Naked Time" (Stylus Records #22).  It was described as
> "Experimental junglist types, formerly on ZTT".
>
> maybe there is an album out by now?

No idea, but I think they have a homepage at www.obsolete.com (where
you also can find AoN!).

H.


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From: "Henrik Lundstroem" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Help... Propaganda's website...
Date: 24 Oct 1996 17:56:44 GMT +0100

I found out that something has happened at www.propaganda.de. The
problem is that I can't see what they've done. The computer I use for
websurfing (websmurfing?) is not able to use the plug-ins required
for their homepage (I use a Silicon Graphics Indy). I also use a PC
(used for this mail), but it's way to slow for Netscape. Could
someone please tell me (and maybe the rest of the list) what the Prop
qt-movie is about?

Henrik.

Henrik Lundstroem ([e-mail])

Philosophy student at University of Gothenburg, Sweden.
Chemistry student at Chalmers University of Technology.

Stalivari shout "HEUREKA!!" as the signal for invention par excellence

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From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (ztt) Help... Propaganda's website...
Date: 24 Oct 1996 09:43:27 -0700

The QuickTime movie displays a spinning, 432k version of the 3D
"Propaganda" text shown on main www.propaganda.de page. It takes
*forever* to load, though, and I'm running off a direct T1 connection
here at work. Other than this and the little sizzler animation, I
didn't see much content at all.

If you can't use the plug-ins because there are none available for your
SGI platform, you should check up on
http://browserwatch.iworld.com/plug-in.html. They have a UNIX section
which might have a plug-in for QuickTime movies.

Eagerly awaiting any new Propaganda/Brucken material,

- ian
[e-mail]
_____________________
> "I don't know what to make of him," Nancy thought in bewilderment.
"He looked like a nice boy--and yet these days one can't be sure of
anything."

Nancy Drew agonises over dating in 1932 America,
 from The Clue in the Diary, original edition, p18.
> ----------
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> Sent:     Thursday, October 24, 1996 10:56 AM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     (ztt) Help... Propaganda's website...
>
> I found out that something has happened at www.propaganda.de. The
> problem is that I can't see what they've done. The computer I use for
> websurfing (websmurfing?) is not able to use the plug-ins required
> for their homepage (I use a Silicon Graphics Indy). I also use a PC
> (used for this mail), but it's way to slow for Netscape. Could
> someone please tell me (and maybe the rest of the list) what the Prop
> qt-movie is about?
>
> Henrik.
>
> Henrik Lundstroem ([e-mail])
>
> Philosophy student at University of Gothenburg, Sweden.
> Chemistry student at Chalmers University of Technology.
>
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>
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (ztt) Help... Propaganda's website...
Date: 24 Oct 1996 10:52:49 -0600 (MDT)

> The QuickTime movie displays a spinning, 432k version of the 3D
> "Propaganda" text shown on main www.propaganda.de page. It takes
> *forever* to load, though, and I'm running off a direct T1 connection
> here at work. Other than this and the little sizzler animation, I
> didn't see much content at all.

I'm with Ian here -- there's no reason to go to the trouble of downloading the
plugins and then downloading all the files on the Propaganda page unless you
want to see their logo spin around.  There is no music, no sound, no images of
the band -- just that logo spinning around.

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From: "Joerg Fitzner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Holly's projects, and what FGTH would be now ?
Date: 24 Oct 1996 19:32:36 +0000

On Oct 16, 10:07pm, Gianluca Musumeci wrote:
> Subject: (ztt) Holly's projects, and what FGTH would be now ?
> *********************************************************************
> * In your opinion what FGTH would be now if they hadn't broken up ? *
> *********************************************************************

You may find this very strange, but music-wise I could imagine that they
would have developed into a kind of Sisters Of Mercy like sound - if they had
continiously gone on from Liverpool.

-Joerg

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From: "Joerg Fitzner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) hoodlum priest new release?
Date: 24 Oct 1996 19:38:56 +0000

On Oct 23,  5:50pm, mark wasiel wrote:
> Subject: (ztt) hoodlum priest new release?
> I don't think I posted this before but if I have please forgive.
>
> I read in an old NME (11/25/95) that Hoodlum Priest had a new single out
> called "Naked Time" (Stylus Records #22).  It was described as
> "Experimental junglist types, formerly on ZTT".
>
> maybe there is an album out by now?

Yeah, I think I posted about this single back a few month.  I liked it!
(Perhaps it's gone under in the listserver-problem-phase?)
I can resend it if anyone likes.

Don't know about an album though.  A friend of mine has another CD Single,
which we can't tell if it's before of after Naked Time.
I once wrote an email to them at their (literally) 'obsolete' website, but it
never got answered :-(

Bye
Joerg

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From: Chris Sweet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) new wendy & lisa (kind of)
Date: 24 Oct 1996 13:16:25 -0500

mark wasiel wrote:
>
> Wendy & Lisa have produced an album by an artist named Doyle Bramhall.
> I believe he was the singer with another group but I can't remember the
> name.  From the little of it I heard, it was kind of Lenny
> Kravitz-mixed-with-Seal-ish.  In the US, it's on Geffen records (further
> evidence of the cozy Geffen/Trevor Horn relationship over the years) and
> is available on CD and tape with the catalog number of #25001.
>
> mark
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They are also supposed to be touring with Bramhill. And they are going
to be on a track on Prince's new 3cd set.

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From: [e-mail] (Delpierre Stephane)
Subject: (ztt) HORN/MORLEY
Date: 25 Oct 1996 15:22:07 +0200 (DST)

Trevor Horn is  Toad of toad hall
Paul Morley is a leach

It's not me saying that...but I think that too...

With care for all of us (in particuliar Till, Joerg, Gianluca)

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From: "Raymond A.N.D. Koh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (ztt) HORN/MORLEY
Date: 25 Oct 1996 16:05:15 -0600 (CST)

So does the message mean that TCH is fascinated by new toys and is foolish
with his unlimited amount of money to spend, whilst Morley hangs around for
the ride?


In message Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:22:07 +0200 (DST),
  [e-mail] (Delpierre Stephane)  writes:

> Trevor Horn is  Toad of toad hall
> Paul Morley is a leach
>
> It's not me saying that...but I think that too...
>
> With care for all of us (in particuliar Till, Joerg, Gianluca)
>
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From: "Joerg Fitzner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) hoodlum priest new release?
Date: 25 Oct 1996 17:57:16 +0000

Hi, here's the old mail concerning the Hoodlum Priest release...


Hello,

are there still any Hoodlum Priest desciples out there?

If so here's info on a new CD-single I just got last week:

* Hoodlum Priest: Naked Time / No Fear
   CD5: 1995 UK (Stylus22/RTM: STYCD002)
          6:13  Naked Time
          4:33  No Fear
          4:09  No Fear (Noko Apollo 440 Mix)
          9:58  Naked Time (Uberchill - Technietzsche Mix)

And in my opinion it's great - especially No Fear.
Again it's way over the top... going beyond my abilities of description!
All I can say regarding to styles (and I hate doing that), is that Noko's
mix is a bit different from the rest incorporation pure break-beats. (But
it's not less great, of course!)
This time the songs are featuring actually _sung_ vocals, but they're
really fitting to the music.

-Joerg


P.S.:  Mark: Check out Mk III, track #7 and #8... :-)

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From: "Joerg Fitzner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) HORN/MORLEY
Date: 25 Oct 1996 18:28:57 +0000

On Oct 25,  3:22pm, Delpierre Stephane wrote:
> Subject: (ztt) HORN/MORLEY
> Trevor Horn is  Toad of toad hall
> Paul Morley is a leach
>
> It's not me saying that...but I think that too...

Who said it then - Holly?  (Apart from that you also did, somehow.)

And moreover, what does it mean???


Doubting on my English
Joerg

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From: Gianluca Musumeci <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) HORN/MORLEY
Date: 25 Oct 1996 21:18:20 +0100 (MET)

>Trevor Horn is  Toad of toad hall
>Paul Morley is a leach

I admit it. I didn't understand it too. Surely Holly said it. Perhaps in his
biography.
What these words mean ?

Ciao to all, in particular to the other Frankie Musketeers :)

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though and I think he worked with Seal
before.  Therefore, I'm assuming that is who the producer is.  The CD
and tape is available from KID RHINO and the catalog number is 72494 (-2
for CD, -4 for cassette).

2) Seal is on the upcoming soundtrack to the Michael Jordan/Bugs Bunny
film "Space Jam".  This soundtrack comes out on the 29th of October
(this coming Tuesday).  If the track is new, which I suspect it will be,
I also expect it to be produced by Trevor Horn as he seems to be into
these big budget film soundtracks lately.  It's possible that this track
will be a single.  I work at Virgin Megastore in Burbank and a customer
already asked whether the song was available as a single so I assume
that the track is already getting airplay.  I'll keep my eyes open for
the single and hope to have more info on the track Monday or Tuesday.

3) Frames DC is being released on Elektra this Tuesday as well.  I've
already posted about this.

4)Nothing big but the new Megastore in-store video tape (Vol 43, Nov
1996) has the video for Art of Noise "Paranoimia" on it.  After actually
seeing it though, I was pleasantly surprised to hear the Paranoimia '89
as the mix (this is the hippity-hop-ish one, isn't it?).  The video has
much footage from the live video tape (which name eludes me...but you
know the one).  Surprisingly, the video also has a lot of graphics from
the Vectrex videogame system from 1982 (!) and the vector graphic
animation of blowing up the Death Star from Star Wars.  Weird.

5) Lots of copies of Art of Noise drum & Bass are available at our
store.  I'll try to get track info.  I listened to some tracks and it
was okay.  Decent.  Probably better than the techno compilation from a
few years ago.

bye
mark

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From: mark wasiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) frames DC US release info
Date: 26 Oct 1996 00:05:21 -0700

Frames DC is scheduled for a release this Tuesday, the 29th of October
in the United States.

It is available on CD and tape with the catalog number "ELEKTRA 2-61970"
for CD and "ELEKTRA 4-61970".  My promo copy which is a "Limited
Edition" and has a generic ELEKTRA back sleeve and no booklet is
numbered "ELEKTRA 2-61970-P".  The "P" stands for Promo copy.  Here's
the little blurb from the promo:

"Heralded for their brilliant, frenetic live performances, Ireland's
Frames DC have built a loyal UK audience in their brief career.
Legendary producer Trevor Horn caught a show and was so taken that he
signed them to his ZTT label and remixed Fitzcarraldo, their debut
album, which the band had released themselves.  Fitzcarraldo captures
the band's live power in the studio with eleven passionate, moody and
melodic tunes driven by guitars and piercing streaks of violin.

'Monument' is the first single and video from Fitzcarraldo."

The track listing and times are the same as listed in Joerg's "Perfect
Invention".

I'll keep an eye out for the release of the US single.

To be quite honest though, I really don't see this band getting much
airplay or fans here in the US.  The songs are okay but us Americans
really aren't known to be big fans of "piercing streaks of violin".
Also, I don't think the lyrics are catchy enough.  I mean... "My
revelate..."?  Maybe "Monument" but still...

mark

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From: [e-mail] (Delpierre Stephane)
Subject: (ztt) suscribe ztt-digest
Date: 28 Oct 1996 16:33:47 +0100 (MET)


suscribe ztt-digest

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From: 808boy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) 808State La Luz blue promo 12"
Date: 29 Oct 1996 09:38:55 GMT

Is there anyone on this list after a copy of the following?

808 State blue vinyl promo-only 12" of La Luz.

I picked up a copy for Josh (on this list), as a surprise birthday present.
Unfortunately, he found out about the shop that had them, and bought one as
well, so now I'm left with a record I don't need.

It's in Mint condition, and I paid 12 UKP for it.  If anyone wants to give me
that, plus postage to wherever they are, lemme know.

email [e-mail]

l8r!

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From: mark wasiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) ztt (and others) related auction
Date: 30 Oct 1996 14:11:07 -0800

Mark's Used CD Auction

Here's the details: Listed below are the CDs I have for sale.  I am
running this sale like an auction.  The prices listed next to the CD is
the minimum bid I will accept.  By having an auction for these discs I'm
allowing people who do not see the list right away a chance to get a CD
they want.  Increases in bids can be done only in whole dollars.  The
auction will continue for two weeks from the original posting date with
updates posted on rec.music.marketplace.cd and another update sent
personally to the bidders themselves.  After the initial bidding is done
the status of the bids will change to GOING ONCE, TWICE and then finally
SOLD.   Shipping is not included.  Not responsible for typos.

Please email bids and any questions you may have to:
[e-mail]

Thanks for looking!

Adamski (with Jimi Polo) - Never Goin' Down [import, cd5] $5
All Saints 1.9.7.5 - Silver Shadow (import, ZTT ZANG 53) $8
Art of Noise - Ambient Collection (UK, mixed by Youth) $15
Claudia Brucken - Love And A Million Other Things (UK) $10
The Flood - Right Here, Right Now (UK single, ZTT) $8
The Frames DC - Revelate single (UK, ZTT, TCH prod.) $10
The Frames DC - Monument single #1 (UK, ZTT) $8
The Frames DC - Monument single #2 (UK, ZTT, remixes) $8
Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Frankie Says Use Condoms [live, import] $25
Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Aftershow $30
Frankie Goes To Hollywood - The Beginning & The End $30
Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Ultra Rare Trax $30
Honky - The Ego Has Landed (UK, ZTT) $12
Shane MacGowan - That Woman's Got Me Drinking (UK, ZTT ZANG56, lim. ed
#3445) $8
Shane MacGowan - The Church of the Holy Spook (UK, ZTT ZANG 57, lim. ed
#1472) $8
Shane MacGowan - The Snake (UK, ZTT, TCH prod., original issue) $13
Shane MacGowan - The Snake (US advance CD) $10
Shane MacGowan - The Snake (US promo) $9
Shane MacGowan & Maire Brennan - You're The One (UK, ZTT ZANG 68, TCH
prod.) $8
Kirsty MacColl - Electric Landlady $6
    [feat. Johnny Marr]
Propaganda - P:Machinery T-Empo remix (UK single, ZTT/Seven) $15
Ryuichi Sakamoto w/ Holly Johnson - Love & Hate (UK single, ltd. Ed.
Digipak) $6
Seal - I'm Alive (Radio Remix Edit) promo single $3
Sexus - The Official End of It All (UK, ZTT single ZANG 77) $8
Shades of Rhythm - Shades of Rhythm (ZTT, 74104) $15
Shades of Rhythm - Musical Freedom (UK, post ZTT) $8
Squarepusher - Port Rhombus ep (UK, wild drum n bass guy!) $10
Various - From Manchester With Love.net (2 CDs, UK) $30
    [exlusive tracks by New Order, 808 State, M People, Lamb, Guy Called
Gerald, Simply Red + more!]
Various - Stiff Records Box Set Disc 3 $8 [Madness, Via Vagabond [Nick
Plytas])
Various - Stiff Records Box Set Disc 4 $8 [Pogues, Untouchables, Kirsty
MacCall, SJ Lipson jazz prod track)
Various - Stone Free: Tribute to Jimi Hendrix (Seal, TCH prod.) $6

There is a lot more non-ztt related CDs listed on the
rec.music.marketplace.cd newsgroup.   I only posted the ZTT related ones
here to save bandwidth.   If you don't have access to newsgroups or
would rather have a copy of the whole list send me your email address.

The auction started yesterday the 29th so there's still a ways to go.

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