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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) custom disc?
Date: 02 Jul 1999 07:25:53 -0400


How long after ordering from CDnow does it take to get the message
with the access code?  I thought it was the next day, but I'm waiting
three days so far...

-Dean


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From: Larry MacGregor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) custom disc?
Date: 02 Jul 1999 07:39:45 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> How long after ordering from CDnow does it take to get the message
> with the access code?  I thought it was the next day, but I'm waiting
> three days so far...
>

I ordered exactly a week ago, I got the email about the custom disc on
Tuesday - same day that "Seduction" was shipped.  No sign of either one
at my doorstep yet.

-- L


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From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) getting the password
Date: 02 Jul 1999 12:07:22 -0400


 I ordered mine from TWEC for that reason, CDnow was pokey last time
they had
 one of these burn your own offers for gus gus, i had my password within
a
 day of placing my order last time.  But so far i've not gotten it from
TWEC.

 Also, I saw a copy of "dreaming in colour" US 12" on ebay:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125853134

[e-mail] wrote:
> > How long after ordering from CDnow does it take to get the message
with the access code?



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From: Simon Daw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) limited UK edition AON CD?
Date: 02 Jul 1999 18:55:46 +0100


In message <001201bebd1c$4bda8a60$834697cf@zazoo>, Mark Wasiel
<[e-mail]> writes
>I saw an upcoming solicitation from an import here in the U.S.  They list
>two UK Art Of Noise, Seduction of Claude Debussey CDs coming out.  One has
>the part # ZTT130CD while the other has # ZTT130CDX.  Anyone know anything
>about this "X" version?  It was listed as the same price as the one with the
>"X".

The only difference between the two is that the "limited edition"
ztt130cdx comes in a cardboard digi-pack case and ztt130cd comes in a
standard jewel case.  The CDs and booklets are identical and bear the
catalogue number ztt130cd.

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From: Dave Cowen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) custom disc?
Date: 02 Jul 1999 14:28:29 -0500


At 07:39 AM 7/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> How long after ordering from CDnow does it take to get the message
>> with the access code?  I thought it was the next day, but I'm waiting
>> three days so far...
>
>I ordered exactly a week ago, I got the email about the custom disc on
>Tuesday - same day that "Seduction" was shipped.  No sign of either one
>at my doorstep yet.

My copy of the Seduction has arrived, but the Amplified "make-yer-own-CD"
has not.  I was pleasantly surprised to find that the "autographed" copy of
the Seduction, as advertised on Tower, was -genuinely- autographed by all
four
members (at least I -think- that's Lol Creme's signature).  I had expected
the autographs as merely being part of the printing of a limited edition,
or that
it would be autographed just by Lol or something.  Paul Morley autographed
it with quotes, i.e. "Paul Morley" (was it really Paul Morley?).  It came
with
both a signed and unsigned booklet.  Did the crew write anything goofy on
anyone's signed copies?

Anyway... cool.  I called the folks at Amplified, who actually sounded like
real, sentient human beings and not mindless CSR drones, and they said that
my make-your-own-CD had been shipped.

Now if only that, my Gentle People Simply Faboo CD and my David Van Tieghem
These Things Happen DAM CD had arrived as well, then I would have been
genuinely happy.  Never before has a three-day weekend seemed like such a
long
time...

Dave Cowen ([e-mail])


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From: dan clegg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) custom CD arrived!
Date: 02 Jul 1999 12:48:20 -0700


I got mine today from Amplified.com, and I must say, it's quite cool.

They didn't use cheap-o packaging; it looks like a commercial CD. It's in a
jewel case, with insert, my custom tracklist is printed on the back inlay
(you can't tell it was custom printed for me), and it sounds great.

It is a CD-R, but even is screened to look like a regular commercial release.

Cool! I'm happy!

--dan

P.S. I also got my autographed Seduction CD from Tower; my "Paul Morley" is
in quotes too. That is definitely Anne's real signature; I have a record I
had personally autographed by here (in 1986!) and it looks pretty similar.




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From: Roy DeRousse <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Debussy: Favorable review in Consumable
Date: 02 Jul 1999 13:52:55 -0700 (PDT)


The latest issue of the online music review, Consumable, had this to
say about the new AON album:

        REVIEW: Art of Noise, _The Seduction of Claude Debussy_
                (ZTT/Universal)
                - Jon Steltenpohl
        Take a dead composer, a deep voiced narrator, a rapper and a
few opera singers, and what do you have? Well, if you're Art of Noise,
you have _The Seduction of Claude Debussy_. Most of you know Art of
Noise through songs such as "Beat Box" and the Dragnet theme. Yet,
anyone who's gone beyond the singles and dived into the world of an
Art of Noise album has found themselves in a completely new world.
Now, after a 9-year absence, the band has reformed to create a new
soundscape based around their apparent love of the turn of the century
composer Claude Debussy.
        These days, anyone with a computer can generate dance tracks
with the blink of an eye, and on the surface, Art of Noise doesn't
sound as remarkable today as they once did. But, technology doesn't
breed musical or artistic talent, and the vision of Art of Noise goes
beyond the simple satellite blips and deep bass of their peers. Their
impeccable judgment allows them to transcend the current vapid
"electronica" sound they helped to create. This is music first and
foremost. The dance beats and atmosphere are simply tools in Art of
Noise's arsenal.
        Of course, any description of a band on paper that uses the
word "transcend" seems a bit elitist and abstract right off the bat.
Yet, unlike their counterparts in the world of abstract visual arts,
Art of Noise is high brow music for everyman. Even if you've never
heard of Debussy, you can appreciate the songs. Anyone who's been
drawn in by a song like "Moments in Love" realizes that Art of Noise
can create the beautiful out of the abstract. Consider "Dream in
Colour"
from this album: The track is expansive. It ranges from operatic voices

to dreamy choruses to lush ambient dance to an engaging jungle beat
over the course of 8-and-a-half minutes. The deep sullen voice of John
Hurt narrates you through the songs. "Imagine," the narrator implores
you, "Debussy dreaming in colours." He pulls you in further into the
hypnotic mix and instructs as you fall "deeper into the color of a
dream." As the trance is completed, the narrator snaps his fingers, and

you begin the experience with the next track, "On Being Blue."
        At the start of the song, the narrator guides you to consider
how music might be used to suggest colors. The song is a soft ode that
features a beautiful operatic voice, a quiet Spanish guitar, and
shimmering, mournful strings that create an incredibly stark, deep,
and sad atmosphere. It is like diving into a pool of cobalt blue --
which is exactly the song's intent.
        Halfway through the album, another voice is added to the
chorus,
the narrator and the opera singers. The voice is none other than the
rapper, Rakim. At first, this seems like a strange pairing, but given
Art of Noise's original classic "Beat Box" and the dance remixes
included
with the re-release of Eric B. and Rakim's _Paid in Full_ album, a song

like "Megaforce" is entirely understandable. Musically, it works
remarkably well. Not only does Rakim have one of the purest voices in
rap, but Art of Noise assembles a beat as well as any DJ. It may not
exactly be the right style for pumping out of a lowrider, but it would
fit right in with US3 or Digable Planets.
        All told, despite it's odd collaborations and obscure subject
matter, _The Seduction of Claude Debussy_ is simply a masterwork. Art
of Noise manages to maintain continuity throughout the entire album.
The tracks can be scrutinized note by note or played casually in the
background. It is doubtful if the stodgy world of orchestral music
could appreciate this album, but fans of the Art of Noise can embrace
_The Seduction of Claude Debussy_. However, unless you're into ambient
and electronic music, casual fans who remember the old Art of Noise
hits
are better off picking up their excellent "Best of" collection before
jumping feet first into this new release.
===

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From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) what tracks did you pick?
Date: 02 Jul 1999 16:45:20 -0600


On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 10:46:32PM -0500, Dave Cowen wrote:

> So Lazlo, how do you handle a discography entry for such a malleable
> beast? ;)

I'm just going to list the tracks available and describe the covers and the
deal...

Now i just need them to let me order the damned thing.

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From: Simon Daw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) European customized CD
Date: 03 Jul 1999 19:57:56 +0100


Tower Europe (http://www.towereurope.com) have now got the Art Of Noise
custom CD on their site.  The offer is still only open to UK and Ireland
and not the rest of Europe.

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From: Simon Daw <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON Discography Updates
Date: 04 Jul 1999 12:50:34 +0100


Here are some updates to Lazlo's Art Of Noise Discography:

Art of Noise featuring Duane Eddy: Peter Gunn
  [Mar 1986] single

    7": 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOKDJ 6)
          ?:??  Peter Gunn (Radio Edit)
          2:28  Something Always Happens

 12"WL: 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOK X 6) [promo]
          6:03  Peter Gunn (extended version)
          3:55  Peter Gunn
          2:36  Something Always Happens

        [White label stamped with "The Art Of Noise * Peter Gunn ***
         Featuring Duane Eddy   D.J. COPY ONLY"]

Art of Noise featuring Max Headroom: Paranoimia
  [Jun 1986] single

   12": 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOK X 9)
          6:40  Paranoimia (extended version) [featuring Max Headroom]
          3:18  Paranoimia (single version) [featuring Max Headroom]
          2:56  Why Me?
          2:56  A Nation Rejects

 2x12": 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOK X 9) [shrink wrapped with WOK R 6]
          6:40  Paranoimia (extended version) [featuring Max Headroom]
          3:18  Paranoimia (single version) [featuring Max Headroom]
          2:56  Why Me?
          2:56  A Nation Rejects

        [Shrink wrapped with plain black sleeve copy of
         Peter Gun (Twang Mix) 12" (WOK R 6)]

   12": 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOK L 9) ["Paranoid Mix"]
          6:31  Paranoimia (the paranoid mix) [featuring Max Headroom]
          3:18  Paranoimia (single version) [featuring Max Headroom]
          2:56  Why Me?
          2:56  A Nation Rejects

        [Stickered sleeve "The Paranoid Mix   The Mixes Stop Here"]

    7": 1986 US (China/Chrysalis; VS4 43070) [promo]
          3:18  Paranoimia (single version) [featuring Max Headroom]
          4:46  Paranoimia (album version)

Art of Noise: Re-Works of Art of Noise
  [1986] compilation album

    LP: 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOLD 2)

        [As far as I know this was only available with "In Visible
         Silence" - I never saw it for sale on its own]

    CD: 1986 JP (China/Chrysalis; CP32-5320) [1 bonus track]

        [Opus III is not from Hammersmith.  It differs from the bootleg
         live recording that I have.]

Art of Noise: Dragnet
  [Jul 1987] single

   CSS: 1987 UK (China; ZWOK 14) [some packed w/7" WOK 17?]

        [Some were shrink wrapped to an empty WOK 14 7" sleeve]

   12": 1987 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOKX 14) [promo]
          6:12  Dragnet (arthur baker 12" mix)
          3:03  Dragnet (art of noise 7" mix)

Art of Noise: In No Sense? Nonsense!
  [1987] album

    LP: 1987 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOL 4) [swaps "Races"/"Don Jose"]
    CD: 1987 UK (China/Chrysalis; CCD 1570)
          1:11  Galleons of Stone
          3:27  Dragnet
          2:05  Fin du Temps
          0:52  How Rapid?
          3:11  Opus For Four
          1:44  Debut
          6:40  E.F.L.
          4:00  A Day At The Races
          3:13  Ode to Don Jose
          0:57  Counterpoint
          0:46  Roundabout 727
          1:17  Ransom On The Sand
          3:30  Roller 1
          0:45  Nothing was going to stop them then, anyway
          3:37  Crusoe
          4:27  One Earth
        [Mix makes track times inexact, many tracks segue]

   12": 1987 UK (China/Chrysalis; ART DJ1) [promo]
          6:39  E.F.L.
          4:29  One Earth
          3:13  Ode To Don Jose
          4:00  A Day At The Races

        [Sleve reads "A limited edition 12 inch black vinyl sampling
         of four tracks from the Art of Noise compact disc
         "In-no-sense? Nonsense!" released worldwide on 28 September.
         Specially prepared by China Records for the Wireless.  Side 1
         (a) E.F.L. (b) One Earth Side 2 (a) Ode to Don Jose (b) A Day
         at the Races.  All compositions writted, produced and arranged
         by the Art of Noise.  'A SOUND STEP INTO THE FUTURE'"

Art of Noise: Dragnet '88
  [1988] single

        ***
        [NOTE: All items released in 1988 *not* 1987!]
        ***

   12": 1988 UK (China/Polydor; CHINAX 4)
          7:15  Dragnet '88 (art of noise 12" mix)
          8:08  Dragnet '88 (arthur baker house mix)
          2:46  Acton Art

        [Non-promo 12"]

Art of Noise: Paranoimia '89
  [1989] single

   12": 1989 UK (Master Room; [none]) [12" Acetate]
          7:15  Paranoimia '89 (dance mix)
          7:02  Paranoimia '89 (dub mix)

        [Master Room acetate with hand written labels]

Art of Noise: Below The Waste
  [1989] album

    LP: 1989 UK (China/Polydor; 839404-1)
          7:12  Yebo!
          5:29  Catwalk
          0:33  Promenade 1
          3:01  Dilemma
          5:50  Island
          6:01  Dan Dare
          3:07  Chain Gang
          0:38  Promenade 2
          3:53  Back To Back
          1:45  Flashback
          3:32  Spit
          2:38  Finale

        ["Dan Dare" comes before "Chain Gang"]


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From: "Dave" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Rerelease?
Date: 03 Jul 1999 09:00:45 -0500


According to my Asia Mailing list info:

** Also for the September re-issue of the Buggles' AGE OF PLASTIC on
CD. Included with the original eight tracks will be a remix of Johnny
On The Monorail, and the two b-sides, Technopop and Island.

-Dave B


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (ztt) Rerelease?
Date: 05 Jul 1999 13:19:24 +0100


Hello List,

I was quick on  www.dotmusic.com  to see any news of the SeductionCD -
charts or text. But instead I got myself a rather fantastic surprise.
Highest new entry on the album chart this week is Frankie Goes To Hollywood
with Welcome to the Pleasure Dome. They are number ONE on the indie chart.
Anyone has a claw!!! Please tell!!!

Torben
- the Dane

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From: Simon Daw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Rerelease?
Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:03:35 +0100


In message <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
writes
>Highest new entry on the album chart this week is Frankie Goes To Hollywood
>with Welcome to the Pleasure Dome. They are number ONE on the indie chart.
>Anyone has a claw!!! Please tell!!!

HMV in the UK are selling this for 2.99ukp or something like that at the
moment - perhaps this is the reason why!!!

Simon

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From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: Re: (ztt) Rerelease?
Date: 05 Jul 1999 16:11:02 +0200


Helo all!

>I was quick on  www.dotmusic.com  to see any news of the SeductionCD -
>charts or text. But instead I got myself a rather fantastic surprise.
>Highest new entry on the album chart this week is Frankie Goes To Hollywood
>with Welcome to the Pleasure Dome.

I've been stumbling over that as well.
Maybe it's a mistake and it's actually meant to be TSOCD? (That's why
I was browsing the charts...)

>They are number ONE on the indie chart.

FGTH being #1 on the _indie_ chart - that's the biggest joke of the century!


Cheers

  Joerg




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From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: (ztt) Dream On Contest
Date: 05 Jul 1999 22:34:38 +0200


Hello List!

Does anyone remember, this contest on the old AON web pages (on the ZTT
site), where you could win a 'Dream On' 12"?!

Well, I had forgotten - until I got a parcel from ZTT on Friday, which
made this Dream come true! It's incredible!
They've updated the ZTT/AON pages. Apparently you can read all the entries
to the contest, which I enjoy reading a lot.

And there's announced five winners...

  http://www.ztt.com/artofnoise/a.html






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From: Juno Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON : Metaforce Video
Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:05:36 PDT


   For the US fans : Does anyone know if the video for "Metaforce" has been
shown on MTV at all ? I've only seen "Close To The Edit" on Amp about a year
or two ago.

NoiseWerker

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From: Robert Marston <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) New AON CDs
Date: 06 Jul 1999 08:50:56 BST


Just received my AON disc from Tower Records.

5 o'clock yesterday - Received custom CD from US ($3 P&P)
7 o'clock yesterday - Received AON 'Debussy' album, Signed!!!, with extra 4
tracks CD (includes Metaforce mix only available on Vinyl in the UK), ($30
P&P)

Guess whos a happy bunny?!! (besides being stuff by Towers P&P policy)


ME!!!

BTW - If you love the commericial release of the 'Debussy' disc, you may
want to look into finding the 1st advanced pre-release version of the disc
as it is very different to the proper one. In my opinion the advanced
version has a better track order and some better mixes.

www.eil.com is one place to look for it, or www.slcd.com




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From: Juno Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) A better concert than Community Service would be ...
Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:28:24 PDT


      In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass
line ups :


      Kraftwerk
      Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else)
      Yello
      Orbital
      808 State
      Pet Shop Boys
      Vangelis
      Jean-Michel Jarre
      Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them)
      Tangerine Dream
      Underworld
      Kitaro
      Mickey Hart/Planet Drum
      Orb
      Depeche Mode
      Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid
         tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is
obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.)

     Anyone else want to add to the list ?

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From: "Fanno, Jeff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) RE: (orbital) A better concert than Community Service would be ..
Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:31:49 -0700






>       In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass
> line ups :
>
>
>       Kraftwerk
>       Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else)
>       Yello
>       Orbital
>       808 State
>       Pet Shop Boys
>       Vangelis
>       Jean-Michel Jarre
>       Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them)
>       Tangerine Dream
>       Underworld
>       Kitaro
>       Mickey Hart/Planet Drum
>       Orb
>       Depeche Mode
>       Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid
>
>          tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is
>
> obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.)
>
>      Anyone else want to add to the list ?
>
     How about FSOL, Cocteau Twins,  Aphex Twin?


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From: "Dave" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) A personal response to 'seduction'
Date: 06 Jul 1999 20:16:55 -0500


Greets, fellow ZiTTs.  I hope you dont mind some indulgence on my part as to offer my initial take
on 'the seduction of claude debussy' after my virgin and complete listen:
Two words: Wow (repeat)
I am so pleased with this disc and know that it I will listen to it many times.  How many times have
I played 'daft' as loud as I can take it?  How many times as well to 'Closing of the Year'?  That 8
year difference shows great maturity in Ms Dudley and Mr Horn just as the 8 year difference does
from then to 'seduction'.
Up to now I've had to listen to my (imaginary, mind you; don't want anybody to get in trouble here)
MP3 of 'Rapt ~ Egoism'.  It was both a different mix and at only 22K.  All the while I enjoyed that,
but wondered what lay before and after it.  Now I know.  And every frame (as it is a digital
recording) seems properly placed.  My sense about half-way through was that the frolicking of the
"'Who's Afraid' AoN" has matured much like the Beatles from 'Please Please Me' to 'Abbey Road'.
There's no mistaking the style, or I should say styles: e.g the lingering end note with sharply
edged guitar flutters, the solo estrogenical* croon, the general manner of first pulling you in
close then rushing around you like standing under a waterfall...and that laugh-out-loud moment when
the refrain from 'Moments in Love' twinkled by...  Did I mention I really enjoy this album?
When it gets down to it, I wouldn't want Yes to make a new 'Close to the Edge', nor John Hughes
another 'Ferris Beuller'.  I also wouldn't want AoN to make another 'Who's Afraid'.  What they did
make here is just plain wonderful.  I'm also quite impressed with the CD boolet's design and layout.
And the fact that several mixing engineers and years seemed to pass to record this LP, yet it all
sounds as cohesive to me, at least on first listen, as if it were recorded in a single day.  I also
like that there's a 'Bonus CD' enclosed, but the packaging for that leaves something to be desired.
Ah well.  I have extra CD jewel cases for just such an occassion.
Still, this is AoN as I could only imagine them almost 2 decades after their initial partaking.
Like all good things which can change over time, I consider that AoN has changed for the better.
Thank you for your time and I hope you all can enjoy 'seduction' as much as I.

-Dave B

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) the custom CD
Date: 07 May 1999 11:21:25 +0200


Somewhere Paul Morley must be laughing his head off.
His remarks in the recent DJ-mag interview as to why fans would scramble to
find the promo for Dream On
is rather stupid if you ask me.
Yes This is what being a fan is! Off course you would want to hear
everything your favorit band has made.
So in addition to having great trouble finding this recording, I also have
to be laughed in the face by one of the members of the band.
Isn't that nice.
And he's at it again.
The recent custom CD that is only available to fans in UK and USA is
driving me crazy. So it seems you guys won't be getting my
hard earned money this time. Suit yourself.
Paul Morley must be having the time of his life
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From: Didi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Re: (kw) RE: (orbital) A better concert than Community Service
Date: 07 Jul 1999 11:39:58 +0200


At 16.31 06/07/99 -0700, Fanno, Jeff wrote:





>> In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass
>> line ups :
>>
>>       Kraftwerk
>>       Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else)
>>       Yello
>>       Orbital
>>       808 State
>>       Pet Shop Boys
>>       Vangelis
>>       Jean-Michel Jarre
>>       Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them)
>>       Tangerine Dream
>>       Underworld
>>       Kitaro
>>       Mickey Hart/Planet Drum
>>       Orb
>>       Depeche Mode
>>       Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid
>>        tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is
>>       obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.)
>>       Anyone else want to add to the list ?
>>
>    How about FSOL, Cocteau Twins,  Aphex Twin?

I consider Shannon's "Let the music play" as one of the best dance songs ever.
I would add to your list the following bands/authors:

-Higher Intelligence Agency
-Orb
-Rockets
-Vince Clarke
-Software
-Spacetime Continuum

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From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: Re: (ztt) the custom CD
Date: 07 Jul 1999 19:14:49 +0200


>The recent custom CD that is only available to fans in UK and USA is
>driving me crazy. So it seems you guys won't be getting my
>hard earned money this time.

It's available _everywhere_ now!

Ready some money and read this, which had been posted to the AON chatlist
yesterday:

>The customized cd is available everywhere now. So please feel free to use
>your code and order it. I'm not quite sure of why restrictions exist, but I
>think it has to do with agreements with retailers/distributors and the
>label. Thus, we weren't really able to deliver to the rest of Europe until
>Tower UK signed on. Plus, the ZTT label and Universal have been great in
>their response to such issues.
>
>I sincerely apologize for the restrictions before. As this is a new sort of
>technology and process to be able to receive unreleased tracks from great
>bands, there will be a few bugs to overcome. If you have any questions or
>comments, please don't hesitate to email me!
>
>Thanks,
>
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>Web Developer
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From: Simon Daw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) the custom CD
Date: 07 Jul 1999 23:09:24 +0100


In message <00b501bec89e$4722bf00$c33d9fc1@fipc1>, Joerg Fitzner
<[e-mail]> writes
>>The recent custom CD that is only available to fans in UK and USA is
>>driving me crazy. So it seems you guys won't be getting my
>>hard earned money this time.
>
>It's available _everywhere_ now!

Also you're not restricted to just 10 tracks - you can order all 12 if
you wish!!!

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From: [e-mail] (propaganda.de)
Subject: (ztt) ZTT: Propaganda NEWS
Date: 08 Jul 1999 12:44:56 +0200


Hello to all on the list,
check out the news on my Webpage => VERY interesting !!

Propaganda is preparing the first step of their return => The Webpage !

I hope that i could meet Michael next time and interview him, anyone on the list
who has questions to him ??? Please write me (i have currently around 30, but
more would be better).

Bye
Karl

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From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Chart Positions
Date: 09 Jul 1999 17:27:40 +0900


It would be great if those people living in the UK and the US to keep an eye
open on the charts and to publish their findings on the list for us poor
souls who live in, for example, Japan, where copies of TSOCD are rather hard
to find and who have no idea where to access chart data. The last I heard
was that metaforce was languishing at 53 in the UK charts. as this as high
as it gets? That's what AON get for putting out an extremely conventional
track.

Ah well, I guess I will have to wait until I return the the UK in August to
hear my wonderful custom CD and the long awaited album.

ps I heard a section of the album on Japanese TV yesterday and I thought the
opera was very nice, contrary to what some others on the list thought!!

Keep dreaming in colour.............

pps On the Universal American release, is it "Dreaming in colour" or
"Dreaming in color"?

Raymond A Koh
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) TSOCD in Russia
Date: 09 Jul 1999 09:47:32 +0100


Hello list,
I have just spend some days in Russia, where TSOCD naturally arrived ealy
July. It were in 3 out of 5 shops, that I visited. One legal store, where
the original was imported and two 'shops' with illegal pressings, where they
simple hardcopy both CD and front page! These illegal CDs are sold at 1.5 -
3.0 $ each - with gradual rebates, dependent on the number of CDs you
purchase. One of the shops listed rebates for 201-300 copies. I wonder how
many customers use these quantities!
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From: [e-mail] (FGTH Fan Base)
Subject: (ztt) WTTP new entry on no. 16 in the UK charts
Date: 09 Jul 1999 11:01:25 +0200


Hello list  !

I wonder if there is anybody who can tell me what is going on in England ...

What happened that Welcome To The Pleasuredome is new on 16 in the UK charts ?


Bye

Peter...xx

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) Holly Johnson update
Date: 09 Jul 1999 10:07:04 +0100


Hello list
From http://www.pleasuredome.co.uk under news you'll find:
SOULSTREAM the forthcoming album is to be released in the 20th century.
OCTOBER 1999 ! .come back soon!
Go and look for yourself. The exhibition/poster pages are also updated -
indicating that Holly's pictures will be put on sale in the future.

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From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) :):):)
Date: 09 Jul 1999 13:33:39 PDT




    Hello everyone !!!!

  I'm in a happy mood today (it is my birthday). I just felt like saying
that I love all you guys and that I have had a wonderful time chatting with
all of you. I'm going to see the Chems tonight in LA, so hopefully I will
have fun (the new CD was decent). Talk to you all on Sunday .

  (To Brendan from the Orbital list :

   Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has resulted
from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship to
you. Maybe everyone and I on the list diagree with just about everything you
say, :) but I don't want to make anyone feel like their in a hostile
environment. Welcome !!!!

(p.s. Vangelis STILL rules !!!! ;)



  Love,

Josh/NoiseWerker/Juno

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From: Dave Cowen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AoN Dreaming in Color Remix Contest on Mixman.com
Date: 09 Jul 1999 18:35:29 -0500


Hey all --

Has anyone seen this? ( http://www.mixman.com/html/mz/contestframe.html )

> Create your own Art of Noise Remix of their song "Dreaming in Colour"
> using any Mixman software. When you're done.... go to Radio Mixman, click
> the Mixman Logo to submit your G2 RealAudio remix, select the "Art of
Noise"
> style and upload it by August 1st 1999. All remixes will be posted at Radio
> Mixman in the "Art of Noise" style for the fans to vote on . Whoever gets
> the highest rating may get their remix pressed onto the upcoming "Dreaming
> in Colour" 12"!

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From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) claude via the TWEC website
Date: 10 Jul 1999 18:31:54 -0400


I preordered my disc from TWEC
haven't gotten my password yet, and disappointed that I got the 1 disc
version.

My roommate got the disc from cd-now and got the 2 cd version.

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From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Act: snobbery promo mix on mp3
Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:57:13 -0400


Someone in france gave me a really badly coded mp3 of the Moonlighting
Mix of "Snobbery and Decay".  He did not make the mp3 himself.

After much problems, I have finally been able to get it to play.
MacAmp and Winamp wont play it.  And i've heard Xing isn't playing it either.

it's the full 6:07 mix, but the file itself is only 330kb or so!

a PC application called "Small mpeg player" was able to play it, it
seems it's a component of 'cdcopy'.
www.cdcopy.sk  has the 2mb download for cdcopy and i assume smp3p (the
player) is part of it.

the Mp3 file is on my webspace:  http://www.bestweb.net/~cdaraghy

After downloading the file  (right click it's name and choose save as,
or mac users: hold option when clicking the file name), save the file
locally.  YOU MAY MOST LIKELY NEED TO RUN UNCOOK ON THE FILE due
to a frame out-of-sync problem with the file.  Uncook fixes scrambled
sounding mp3's.

After you uncook the file, you should be able to play it with small mpeg (smp3p.exe)
it was coded horribly, single channel 8khz at 3.8kb/sec

Other than me playing the file out to a DAT, and then re-sampling it and
re-creating a mp3 I dont know any other way to accomplish better
compatibility.

The song is the full 6:07 mix, somehow it's only a 330kb file though!
and it
does sound awful but you can hear the whole song and tell it's snobbery and
decay.  just imgine what realaudio first sounded like when it first came out,
and you'll get an idea.

Mac users:  i have no clue what will play this.  Macamp doesn't work.
and i dont know of a macintosh uncook program.

THE MORAL?:  (or immoral if you feel that strongly about MP3 / or if
ZANG@ztt decides to chime in)
REISSUE THE DAMN SONG !


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From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Act: snobbery promo mix on mp3
Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:57:13 -0400


Someone in france gave me a really badly coded mp3 of the Moonlighting
Mix of "Snobbery and Decay".  He did not make the mp3 himself.

After much problems, I have finally been able to get it to play.
MacAmp and Winamp wont play it.  And i've heard Xing isn't playing it either.

it's the full 6:07 mix, but the file itself is only 330kb or so!

a PC application called "Small mpeg player" was able to play it, it
seems it's a component of 'cdcopy'.
www.cdcopy.sk  has the 2mb download for cdcopy and i assume smp3p (the
player) is part of it.

the Mp3 file is on my webspace:  http://www.bestweb.net/~cdaraghy

After downloading the file  (right click it's name and choose save as,
or mac users: hold option when clicking the file name), save the file
locally.  YOU MAY MOST LIKELY NEED TO RUN UNCOOK ON THE FILE due
to a frame out-of-sync problem with the file.  Uncook fixes scrambled
sounding mp3's.

After you uncook the file, you should be able to play it with small mpeg (smp3p.exe)
it was coded horribly, single channel 8khz at 3.8kb/sec

Other than me playing the file out to a DAT, and then re-sampling it and
re-creating a mp3 I dont know any other way to accomplish better
compatibility.

The song is the full 6:07 mix, somehow it's only a 330kb file though!
and it
does sound awful but you can hear the whole song and tell it's snobbery and
decay.  just imgine what realaudio first sounded like when it first came out,
and you'll get an idea.

Mac users:  i have no clue what will play this.  Macamp doesn't work.
and i dont know of a macintosh uncook program.

THE MORAL?:  (or immoral if you feel that strongly about MP3 / or if
ZANG@ztt decides to chime in)
REISSUE THE DAMN SONG !


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From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Off-Topic : Back with report
Date: 10 Jul 1999 22:47:19 PDT




   Hey all !!!

Got back in today; I'm tired as hell !!!

The Chemical Bros. rocked !!!! One problem though.

THE DJ'S !!!!!

I arrived at the Hollywood Palladium at around 5:30 PM. The doors opened at
6:30. My friend and I had stood in the second row that was formed. Some DJ
they had (who name is unknown) spun shit for a good two hours. This REALLY
began to piss my friend and I off. Then finally Todd Terry came up and did
his set after that first load of dung had been dropped. Todd wasn't bad, but
he could've spun some better stuff.

Midway into the set, we had gotten so damn exhausted from standing that we
moved up to the balcony. Finally at 10:30, the Bros. appeared.
I felt like I was at some school dance. I almost went insane. I mean
I know that long DJ sets are typical at a rave, but I came to see the Bros.;
not to hear 4 hours of shit. If you mix, you need to have GOOD MUSIC and not
repetitive Chinese water torture. Made me think twice about having my
turntables repaired. ;)

   I didn't dance until they opened with "Hey Boy Hey Girl". I knew that I
would be dead by the time that they finally arrived on stage if I had done
so earlier. Too much treble though. And too many high pitched siren sounds
and grinding bomb distortion. There was this one girl who got up on stage
and flashed the crowd (that's when I regretted moving up to the balcony),
and one guy got roudy with the wanna-be bacon squad and was kicked out. The
place reeked of bud and sweat. It always suprises me how people sneak stuff
in after being frisked. I remember seeing Kraftwerk at the same place last
year and I was told that I couldn't bring in my CD's. I asked the security
guard if he could hold them until the end of the show because I didn't want
to step out of line to put them back in the car. Fucker ran off with them
after the show. Nevertheless, when the show started, some guy was waving his
vinyl copy of "Ralf & Florian" around in the air.
WHAT THE FUCK ???

  Also, I noticed once again that when older people have nowhere to go, they
come see what's up with us kids. It's so cute and silly to see old grandmas
and guys in their mid 40's who are all fried out of their minds dance with
their eyes closed. ;)

FOR THE ZTT/ART OF NOISE LIST :

Was at the Virgin Megastore at the Ontario Mills Mall earlier today;
they played bits from "Seduction", and I saw like, three of four copies of
the Yebo remixes in the clearance section for $3.99 ! :0

  I also got the issue of DJ magazine with the Anne & Paul interviews. There
was an ad for Metaforce in it as well, and DJ Michael Kilkie made the Rhythm
Masters remix number one on his list. There is also a photo and interview of
AoN inside of freebie mag Mean Street (a small Orange County based, US
publication that mostly specializes in punk with a dab of rap and techno).

  FOR THE YELLO LIST :

I finally picked up "Solid Pleasure" a few days ago; I must say that it is
quite trippy ! Chico Hablas' guitar solos on that album are so beautiful !!!

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From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) claude via the TWEC website
Date: 10 Jul 1999 18:31:54 -0400


I preordered my disc from TWEC
haven't gotten my password yet, and disappointed that I got the 1 disc
version.

My roommate got the disc from cd-now and got the 2 cd version.

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From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Juno's B-Day, Brendan, and an interesting observation.
Date: 11 Jul 1999 03:03:53 -0500


Note: Ok, get out your green CD and put on The Moebius.  Do it!  This
post is a
lot neater if you do.  Turn the volume up a bit, too.

Juno: Happy Birthday!  Oh, and I agree with what you said about Brendan.

(To Brendan from the Orbital list :

   Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has
resulted
from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship
to
you.)

We love ya!  I don't disagree with anything because I immediately delete

anything with a thread name that I'm not interested in anyway = D!!
(Which is
about 32 messages per day now).  Don't get self-conscious, it's just a
mailing
list.  All we do is obsess about Orbital (and other music) to the point
of
idolatry and mental disorders.  We have no basis in the real world, as
you will
soon realize = ).  It's hard to be the new guy because your views have
not been
distorted and moulded yet.  You'll feel right at home when your
technical
prowess for music knowledge and appropriate Orbital obsession reach an
equilibrium.  Then you'll turn into one of the more respected members of
the
group, because you won't talk about music in layman's terms; you have a
good
idea of what you're talking about.  The heirarchy will continue to
evolve as you
become more obsessed with Orbital (Gatsby syndrome), and then everything
pretty
much starts to repeat itself (a twist in the fabric of space where time
becomes
a loop).  Posts will contain the same arguments (maybe about a different
group,
or by a different person), and the commotion will cause deja vu, etc.
Sometimes
the arguments change, or they stop or start.  There are different
variations
happening at the same times.  New people join, old ones leave; lurkers
surface,
and it all adds to the mix.  More new people come in, changing the
atmosphere.
Sometimes it's very intricate, other times it's slow.  Half of the time
it
appeals to some people, the other half it appeals to the other people.

In other words, this group is just a big Orbital song.  That's why we're
all
here.  Weird, huh?

                                        -Marc "I went to sleep at 7am
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From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Discog Update
Date: 11 Jul 1999 17:53:38 -0600


The ZTT discography at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt has been
updated (finally!).  For the curious, a unidiff-format list of the changes
since the last update will be available for a while at

  <ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/lazlo/discographies/ztt-diff-19990711.gz>

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From: Coen van der Geest <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Huh!
Date: 12 Jul 1999 09:15:15 +0200


Hi there,

Saturday, I was in Amsterdam, making the famous 3-recordshop-tour
(Boudisque, Fame, Concerto) and in only 1 of those shops I found TSOCD
from AON. For 67 guilders (roughly 33 dollar). I didn't buy it, since it
was the first shop we came into, hoping that it was somewhere else too.
Alas, the truth is that that was the only copy in Amsterdam for sale :-(
Was, because when I returned it was gone. Grrr. I asked why it was so
expensive. It was because ZTT only has the rights to sell in the UK and
the USA. Damn! He also didn't know anything about the custom CD
action...

Grtz
Coen


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From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) RE: Sigh / TCH tweakage
Date: 12 Jul 1999 12:37:42 -0500


Perfectly sad, indeed. Out of interest, Jay, what new records have come out
this year that you *do* like? That *did* live up to your expectations?

Let me state for the record that, having had TSOCD for a few months now (I
got the 12-track promo a while ago), I am absolutely enamored of it and it
remains in heavy rotation at work, at home, in the car, on my radio show,
etc. No qualifiers: I *like* "Metaforce" and have been an Eric B & Rakim fan
since their debut album; I like the album beginning to end, top to bottom,
inside and out. This is the State of the Art in 1999.

My only minor gripe is with the 13-track version that was actually released.
I've said this before on the list, but let me say again that, in my opinion,
the 12-track promo version is *vastly* superior, with the un-broken
"Dreaming in Colour" and the different track order and without the extra
vocal overdubs and other little odds and ends they added. I wouldn't go so
far as to say they "ruined" the album with the 13-track version and its
associated tweaks, but I very much prefer the 12-track one, and not just
because I heard it first.

As an aside, this difference between the two versions has me wanting more
than ever to hear the "alternate" or "original" version of Seal's debut (I
think the details are in Lazlo's discog if you don't know what I'm talking
about). I gave up a while ago on finding my own copy, but now I'd like to
ask whether anyone has one that they'd be willing to CD-R for me. I'm
curious to see whether that last batch of tweaks compromised the quality
(like TSOCD) or improved it. Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance... speaking of Seal, I'm going to see him live for the
first time tomorrow night...

JG

        -----Original Message-----
        From:    Jay A. Hartman [mailto:[e-mail]]
        Sent:    Monday, July 12, 1999 11:52 AM
        To:    aon-chat
        Subject:    Sigh

        Well, unfortunately....I REALLY don't like the new cd.  I'm
SOOOO
        disappointed!  I'll hold onto it just so I can say that I
have it along with
        everything else, but I can't see me listening to the cd ever
again.  How
        perfectly sad.

        Jay


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From: "Jay A. Hartman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) RE: Sigh / TCH tweakage
Date: 12 Jul 1999 11:17:47 -0700


Actually, I have an extremely varied taste in music.  I picked up the new
Moby cd, as well as the new Def Leppard cd, and both far exceeded my
expectations.  I'm really addicted to the Moby cd.  The new Amanda Marshall
cd is also excellent.  Out of all the cds I was anxiously awaiting, I only
feel that the AoN cd let me down.  However, I'm thrilled to have the special
cd with some of their more classic bits.

Jay

> Perfectly sad, indeed. Out of interest, Jay, what new records
> have come out
> this year that you *do* like? That *did* live up to your expectations?



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) Introduction
Date: 12 Jul 1999 14:52:24 -0400


Hello,

My name is Jordan Feinman, and I'm new to this list.  I just thought I'd
introduce myself.
My only real exposure to ZTT has been Seal's 1st and 2nd album.  The two
albums have done nothing but pique my interest in Trevor Horn's production
techniques.  Speaking of which, I'd like to take this opportunity to ask --
does anyone here have any more detail on the production techniques used
behind either of these 2 albums?  I.e., instruments, sounds, track laying,
etc.   Any magazine articles would be great as well.

I'm also looking into doing some production work and am leaning towards
purchasing Cakewalk 8.  I realize that ZTT uses Pro Tools, and was debating
whether or not to go that route.  Forgive me if this questions is tangential
to this list, but does anyone have any comparisons they can draw from using
Pro Tools and/or Cakewalk?

As a note of trivia, has anyone here noticed the reverb on only every other
snare hit in Fly Like an Eagle?  Or the very subtle
triangle-in-lieu-of-hi-hat found just before the snare hits?

Sincerely,

Jordan Feinman


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From: "James Dawson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks?
Date: 12 Jul 1999 17:36:40 PDT


As someone else mentioned, it is possible to get all 12 Art of Noise tracks
on the amplified.com custom CD -- because I just got mine, too!

I have a question, though: Has anyone else noticed the following mastering
flaws, or do they only appear on my copy:

"Memory Loss": After the track ends, the counter keeps ticking off a few
seconds. At the 1:25 mark, there is a small "burp" of sound.

"The Subject Has Moved Left": A very brief (under one second) drop out
(sudden silence) at the 1:33 mark.

"Structure": A funny edit occurs around the one-minute mark, sort of a
"stutter" effect, as if two pieces of tape were sloppily joined.

None of these are a big deal, but I'm curious if they are on all copies of
the songs.

--James Dawson ([e-mail])


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From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc
Date: 12 Jul 1999 20:11:06 -0600


I'm starting to get a little bugged!  I bought Seduction from CDNow
specifically because of the custom CD but to date I haven't gotten any
information on how to order it.  If anyone has traded email with amplified.com
about a similar problem, can you please let me know who I need to talk to?

--
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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Northern Exposure
Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:31:42 -0500


Hi everyone...

Does anyone know something about the what the story is behind the Northern
Exposure CDs?


Charlie, I noticed you had one of Sasha and John Digweed mixes (?) --Art of
Silence--Teach me--on the web site you posted....

>the Mp3 file is on my webspace:  http://www.bestweb.net/~cdaraghy

Groetjes * Maggie
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (ztt) Northern Exposure
Date: 12 Jul 1999 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT)


Hendrickx, Margaretha wrote:
> Does anyone know something about the what the story is behind the Northern
> Exposure CDs?

Not sure what story you're referring to, but Sasha & Digweed's DJ mix
album 'Northern Exposure 2' was originally released on Ministry of Sound
in the UK in 1997. It later saw a US release as 2 separate discs on the
Ultra label and should still be available. These US releases were
arbitrarily subtitled as "WestCoast" and "EastCoast" editions.  While
there are some styles of dance music more popular on one side of the
country than the other, these discs are not good indicators of what those
styles actually are.

Unfortunately, if you buy the WestCoast disc to get the Art of Silence
track, you're getting the weaker of the two mixes. The EastCoast disc is
great -- and I say this as someone who can't stand Sasha & Digweed mixes,
normally.


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From: artisan2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc
Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:49:50 -0500





Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble wrote:

> I'm starting to get a little bugged!  I bought Seduction from CDNow
>
> specifically because of the custom CD but to date I haven't gotten any
>
> information on how to order it.  If anyone has traded email with amplified.com
>
> about a similar problem, can you please let me know who I need to talk to?
>
> --
>
>     Lazlo Nibble - [e-mail] - http://www.studio-nibble.com
>
    I would return the disc(s) to CDNow (or CDNo as it were) for a full refund
and place my order with Tower Records. My reason why follows. This is a quote
from some Cust. Svc. gimp at CDNow:

> Dear James,
>
> Thank you for your patience.
>
> I am not familiar with any promotion for The Art Of Noise.  We are not
> affiliated with Amplified.com at this time.
>

    I feel it important to note that it took those dolts over 4 days to respond
to my question as to why they weren't sending me any conformation email with code
& link to Amplified.com's website.
    Tower got the job done in 48hrs... as advertized.
-- James S. Coward
    [e-mail]

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    "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening
to it
immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a
cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we
are
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From: "Dave" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc
Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:36:09 -0500


I took CDNow off my preferred CD list.  Those morons couldn't care less.  (I wrote them THREE times
and have STILL not gotten a response!)  Fine.  So I wrote directly to amplified.com (showing a link
to my order at CDNow to qualify) and got a speedy and polite response from them.  Today I got my CD
and am right pleased with it in total!  Kudos to AMPLIFIED.com!  Grrr to CDNow.com.

Dave B

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Ernie Longmire/Lazlo
> Nibble
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 9:11 PM
> To: ZTT
> Subject: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc
>
>
>
> I'm starting to get a little bugged!  I bought Seduction from CDNow
> specifically because of the custom CD but to date I haven't gotten any
> information on how to order it.  If anyone has traded email
> with amplified.com
> about a similar problem, can you please let me know who I
> need to talk to?
>
> --
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From: "Dave" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks?
Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:40:10 -0500


Exact same here.  Presumably they were not intended for final use.  And we happily fork out $$ to
hear their scraps!  ... and love it!

Dave B

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of James Dawson
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 7:37 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks?
>
>
>
> As someone else mentioned, it is possible to get all 12 Art
> of Noise tracks
> on the amplified.com custom CD -- because I just got mine, too!
>
> I have a question, though: Has anyone else noticed the
> following mastering
> flaws, or do they only appear on my copy:
>
> "Memory Loss": After the track ends, the counter keeps
> ticking off a few
> seconds. At the 1:25 mark, there is a small "burp" of sound.
>
> "The Subject Has Moved Left": A very brief (under one second)
> drop out
> (sudden silence) at the 1:33 mark.
>
> "Structure": A funny edit occurs around the one-minute mark,
> sort of a
> "stutter" effect, as if two pieces of tape were sloppily joined.
>
> None of these are a big deal, but I'm curious if they are on
> all copies of
> the songs.
>
> --James Dawson ([e-mail])



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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Northern Exposure
Date: 12 Jul 1999 23:52:50 -0500


Thanks, Mike!

I found (truncated) mp3's of these Northern Exposure CDs and had never
really listened to them before.

The story I was referring to..., well, I was wondering whether Sasha and
Digweed also mixed the third volume since I have seen lists of the songs of
the third volume that do not mention them.

Maggie


>Hendrickx, Margaretha wrote:
>> Does anyone know something about the what the story is
>behind the Northern
>> Exposure CDs?
>
>Not sure what story you're referring to, but Sasha & Digweed's DJ mix
>album 'Northern Exposure 2' was originally released on
>Ministry of Sound
>in the UK in 1997. It later saw a US release as 2 separate discs on the
>Ultra label and should still be available.


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From: "Van der Veer, Frits F SIC-CTPK/2"
Subject: (ztt) AON custom
Date: 13 Jul 1999 11:10:12 +0200


Hi Ztt

This is the reaction a got on my questions on the AON-custom CD.
I have seen the several reaction on Lazlo's question, never the less:

Does anyone has the appropriate info??
Or should I write to amplifier.com as well??


Reg-art's of noise,
Frits



> ----------
> From:     CDnow Customer Service[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     CDnow Customer Service
> Sent:     1999-07-09 22:09
> To:     Van der Veer, Frits F SIC-CTPK/2
> Subject:     RE: Backorder/Order Status Questions: Order 9545391
>
> Dear Frits,
>
> Thank you for shopping at CDNOW.
>
> I apologize for the emails that we have sent you which were
> inappropriate.  I have reviewed your emails regarding the Art of Noise
> custom bonus CD.  Unfortunately, I do not have any information about
> this promotion.  I have also used the link for thier website.  It only
> states that one will be coming soon.  If you have anymore information
> regarding this bonus CD, I will be happy to look at it so we can find
> out what to do.
>
> If you have any further questions, please let us know.
>
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Sally
> Customer Service
> CDNOW, Inc.  Your Music.  Your Store.
>
> http://cdnow.com
> AOL Keyword: CDNOW
>
> Together with Music Boulevard we've built a better music store!
> www.cdnow.com/bettermusicstore
>
> For best service, please include this note with your reply.
>
>
>
> Original message follows:
> -------------------------
>
> Hello,
>
> I think there is a bit of a mis understanding.
>
> I have a account at CDnow. I ordered the new Art of noise cd last week
> (order 9545391). I should have become a password (only people who order
> the
> new Art of noise get this password) so i am be able to purchase a
> custome CD
> with old never released Art of noise material. I did not get the
> password.
> That's my main concern.
>
> At first i was not be able to get the custome CD for legal reseans (only
> people in USA were allowed).  But since a few days no legal limitations
> are
> prsent.
>
> So my question is only:
> (How) Can i get my password and URL to order the Custome CD??
>
>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> met vriendelijke groet/ kindly regards,
>
> Frits van der Veer
>
>
> SIC-CTPK/2, Badhuisweg 3, 1031 CM Amsterdam
> > *E-mail:       [e-mail]
> > *Info-foon: (020-630)2778, Fax [phone]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> > ----------
> > From:     CDnow Customer Service[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Reply To:     CDnow Customer Service
> > Sent:     1999-07-09 15:06
> > To:     Van der Veer, Frits F SIC-CTPK/2
> > Subject:     RE: Backorder/Order Status Questions: Order 9545391
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thank you for contacting CDNOW.
> > To purchase merchandise from our store, you'll need to follow these
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> > steps:
> >
> > First, if you don't have an account with us, you'll need to create
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> the
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> >
> >
> > Original message follows:
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> >
> > Barbara,
> >
> > From The http://www.artofnoise.com page i understand that CDnow is one
>
> > of
> > the purchasers of the compilations CD of the ART OF NOISE (Also via
> > amplifier.com i ended on CDnow). I know it was at first only for US
> > people,
> > but i understand it is now purchable for everybody. Only i need a
> > password????
> >
> > I very much want that CD.
> >
> > Thanx for your time.
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From:     CDnow Customer Service[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > > Reply To:     CDnow Customer Service
> > > Sent:     1999-07-04 16:13
> > > To:     Van der Veer, Frits F SIC-CTPK/2
> > > Subject:     Re: Backorder/Order Status Questions: Order 9545391
> > >
> > > Dear Frits,
> > >
> > > Thank you for contacting CDNOW.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, if a product you're looking for isn't listed in our
> > > online store, it means that we're unable to get it for you at this
> > time.
> > >
> > > One possibility for you would be to look in the advertising pages of
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> > > Goldmine Magazine or other trade publications that can usually be
> > > purchased at your local newsstand.
> > >
> > > I hope this information is helpful, and that you'll visit CDNOW
> again
> > > soon.
> > >
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> > > Yours truly,
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> > > Barbara
> > > Customer Service
> > > CDNOW, Inc.  Your Music.  Your Store.
> > >
> > > http://cdnow.com
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> > >
> > > Together with Music Boulevard we've built a better music store!
> > > www.cdnow.com/bettermusicstore
> > >
> > > For best service, please include this note with your reply.
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> > >
> > >
> > > Original message follows:
> > > -------------------------
> > >
> > > FRITS VAN DER VEER
> > > SID: 347673308
> > > I understand, it's one of the reason's, that by ordering the art of
> > > noise CD, i am able to get a bonus CD. This CD is a compilation of
> old
> >
> > > songs. I buy this compilation and put it to gether myself (If I
> > > understand the art of noise page).
> > >
> > > How do i get this CD???
> > > it was not mentioned at CDnow??
> > >
> >
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From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Trevorspotting (choose production)
Date: 13 Jul 1999 19:15:54 +0900


Please excuse the take on Trainspotting and its advertising jingle.

Someone mentioned that they wanted to hear the alternate version of Seal's
debut. Add to that wishlist the alternate but never released version of "Big
Generator" (back when Mr Horn was into that big time production sound) and
the fabled Mint Juleps and Wendy and Lisa albums. Actually, the unreleased
Mint Juleps album  is mentioned briefly in Holly Johnson's autobiography
(the part where the judge in the ZTT case tours ZTT studios and Steve Lipson
is demonstrating the synclavier).

Perhaps if ZTT or Trevor monitor this list then I might find a nice email in
my Inbox with MP3s attached. Well, we can all dream, can't we!!

Raymond A Koh - Trevor spotter extraordinaire
[e-mail]

English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............





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From: Larry MacGregor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) AON custom
Date: 13 Jul 1999 17:48:49 -0400


Hey everybody.
  I am sorry to hear about all the trouble everyone has been having at
CDNow.  I pre-ordered TSoCD on Friday 6/25.  On Tuesday 6/29 (the
release date), I received the following email.  I hope that it will help
some of you who are having problems with this process.  Interestingly
enough, at the bottom of my inbox tonight (after I'd read all these
stories) I found a survey asking me to rate my recent purchase
experience with CDNow.  Rest assured that I made good use of the
comments section on behalf of you all.  (I blanked out my access code in
the email below, sorry).  Please note that there are a couple ways to
contact Amplified with "questions about this offer."  Good luck to you
all.

-- Larry

   From:
        Javi Milan <[e-mail]>
     To:
        [e-mail]

Thank you for purchasing Art of Noise's "The Seduction of Claude
Debussy" CD
at CDNOW. You are now eligible to make your own Art of Noise Custom CD!
You pick the songs, cover art, and title, and your Custom CD will be
shipped
to you within 24 hours of purchase.

Choose up to 10 tracks from our rare Art of Noise collection. The first
five
songs cost $4.95, and each additional song costs $1.25, plus shipping
and
handling.

Redeeming this offer is simple:

1) Visit http://www.amplified.com/aon

2) Enter your one-time ACCESS CODE:     xxxxxxxxx

* This code is very important, so please do not lose it.
We cannot process any orders without the code. Only one
AON Custom CD per "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" CD purchase.

3) Select and sequence your songs.

4) Choose cover art and a title for your CD.

5) Enter your shipping and billing information. (Please note that all
Art
of Noise Custom CD orders are payable by credit card only (no checks or
cash accepted at this time).

If you have any questions about this offer, do not contact CDNOW.

Please visit the URL above, send an email to
mailto:[e-mail],
or call Amplified.com Customer Service at 1-800-413-8845. Amplified's
Customer Service hours are Monday - Friday from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Eastern
Standard Time.

We hope you enjoy your Art of Noise Custom CD!


Best regards,

Javi Milan
CDNOW Digital Products


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From: David Crouch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks?
Date: 14 Jul 1999 00:14:10 -0400


The most annoying flaw to me is the built in skip on the Beat Box (Diverted) at about 6:01.  This is
my favorite track on the rarities disc, too...

My copy also has the same flaws as noted in earlier posts.

Dave



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From: Coen van der Geest <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc
Date: 14 Jul 1999 09:30:02 +0200


Hi there,



>    I would return the disc(s) to CDNow (or CDNo as it were) for a full
>refund
>and place my order with Tower Records. My reason why follows. This is a quote
>from some Cust. Svc. gimp at CDNow:

Strange, since I just recieved an e-mail from CD Now to make my custom
CD. I ordered it on Monday.

Grtz
Coen




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From: [e-mail] (propaganda.de)
Subject: (ztt) ZTT: Propaganda is Online !!
Date: 14 Jul 1999 14:59:57 +0200


Hi all,
since yesterday the new Propaganda WebSite is online:
www.propaganda.de/index.html

bye
Karl




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From: [e-mail] (Doug Veith)
Subject: (ztt) propaganda sight is working
Date: 14 Jul 1999 10:39:33 -0500


the propaganda site is up and has a video clip on it.

very tasty.



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From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON Promotion CD problems with CDNOW
Date: 14 Jul 1999 11:45:19 -0700


I've also had no end of trouble getting feedback / answers from CDNOW, so I
took the advice of a previous posting and contacted Amplified directly.
Their response is below. Those of you who are still having trouble with
CDNOW should just contact Amplified at [e-mail], tell them that
you bought TSoCD from CDNow and need a code. My code showed up almost
instantly after emailing them: I'm very pleased and looking forward to my
custom CD.

Regards,
ian


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 7:36 AM

Hey Ian,

Sorry about all the troubles. =(  I will gladly send you a code to be able
to access the system, and please let the mailing list know that if they send
an email to [e-mail], or to myself, telling us that they bought
TSoCD from CDNow and want a code, we'll set them up immediately.


Thanks Ian!

Jonathan Hix
Web Developer
[e-mail]


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From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc
Date: 14 Jul 1999 13:40:55 -0600


On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 08:11:06PM -0600, Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble wrote:

> I'm starting to get a little bugged!  I bought Seduction from CDNow
> specifically because of the custom CD but to date I haven't gotten any
> information on how to order it.  If anyone has traded email with
> amplified.com about a similar problem, can you please let me know who I need
> to talk to?

Problem solved!  I finally just telephoned support at amplified.com, got
someone I think was named Jon, and he took care of me in a flash.  I suspect
the problem is at CDNOW -- so if you have trouble, just go straight to
amplified and they'll take care of you.  Massive props to amplified for their
top-rate customer service!

--
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                                                                           --


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT: old Propaganda gigs
Date: 14 Jul 1999 16:34:37 EDT


Does anyone have tapes from the Propaganda gigs of the 80s ?
expecially the one at The Palais in Hammersmith.

Always wanted to hear that segue of Duel/Jewel again.

ade


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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oII1il+eW5ZN5gUA=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) RE: CDNow purchasers?
Date: 15 Jul 1999 23:01:48 +0900


I have the same problem. My parents in England who received my CD say it is
the one CD version. But I did get my code. However, as I pointed out before,
I think that this was due to the efforts of amplified.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Phobrek
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:59 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: CDNow purchasers?
>
>
> I emailed Amplified, and Jonathan Hix has been wicked helpful.  CDNow,
> meanwhile, simply has never responded to any of my emails.  I
> wrote once to
> complain that the SOCD I bought from them wasn't the 2-CD version they'd
> advertised, and asked if I could exchange it.  No answer at all.
>
> Bastards, I call 'em.
>
>
> Phobrek
> -------------------------------
> [e-mail]
>
>
> Eclectic TV: http://110.net/~ps3408/
>
> "Phobrek Taz - America's golden boy."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cameron Kaiser <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: CDNow purchasers?
>
>
> >::Has anyone who purchased TSoCD from CDNow heard anything about
> the custom
> >::CD?  I've emailed them, but don't know if I emailed the right
> address.  I
> >::even emailed amplified.com, hoping they would let me go ahead and order
> it.
> >::If anyone has any helpful addresses, I would be very appreciative...
> >
> >Got mine with no trouble, and I didn't even have to notify
> CDNow. When did
> >you order?
> >
> >--
> >-------------------------- personal page:
> http://calvin.ptloma.edu/~spectre/ --
> >Cameron Kaiser                     Database Programmer/Administrative
> Computing
> >Point Loma Nazarene University                             Fax:
> +1 619 849
> 2581
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> 2539
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From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) 808 quincy's lunch
Date: 16 Jul 1999 15:01:51 -0400


hey there
found this 7" this week, 808 is on one side doing 'quincy's lunch'
a diff artist on b-side
no year on it!
not ztt or creed records
anyone know what this is?




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From: Dave <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) 808 "Quincy's Lunch"
Date: 16 Jul 1999 15:28:00 -0400


Doe sit say 808 State? Isn't there  aband out there called 808 now? Or
am I thinking of Blaque, who do a song called "808"?
-Dave@LExicon



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From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: Re: (ztt) 808 quincy's lunch
Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:51:49 +0200


> found this 7" this week, 808 is on one side doing 'quincy's lunch'
> a diff artist on b-side
> no year on it!
> not ztt or creed records
> anyone know what this is?

See http://www.808state.com/news/news.htm (January '99)

Also Smiley had posted about it here, on January 15th... ;-)





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From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: (ztt) Get prepared for a long remix
Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:43:06 +0200


Hi,

looks like 'Dreaming In Colour' indeed gets the next AON single.
Just found the following in an article with Dave Seaman (of Brothers
In Rhythm fame):
>> [...] they've just finished Art of Noise's 'Dreaming In Colour'.
   "Trevor Horn loved it" Dave beams. <<

The complete article is to be found here:
  http://www.dotmusic.com/dance/news/july99/news13.asp


Cheers

  Joerg




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From: "ZTT Master" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Fw: Art of Noise Custom CD Offer
Date: 16 Jul 1999 23:26:00 +0100


Hi Zangs

As u can see from below, the "Customer Service" at CDNOW states I cannot
order 12 tracks, only 10.
But, at Amplified, the site gladly accepted my 12 track selection ;-)
Anyway I did not yet receive the confirmation of the Custom CD order from
Amplified.
Did anyone of you get it?
Bye

Pedro Lucas from Portugal
[e-mail]

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Ter=E7a-feira, 13 de Julho de 1999 21:38


> Hi!
>
> Thanks for the letter!
>
> Unfortunately, I do not believe that you are able to choose all 12 trac=
ks.
I believe that only 10 of the tracks are able to be used.  I hope this
helps!
>
> Let me know if there is anything else I can do for you!
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Tom
> Customer Service
> CDnow, Inc.
>
> http://cdnow.com
> AOL Keyword: CDnow
>
> Together with Music Boulevard we're building a better music store!
> www.cdnow.com/bettermusicstore
>
> For best service, please include this note with your reply.
>
> > From [e-mail] Fri Jul  9 12:56:58 1999
> > From: "ZTT Master" <[e-mail]>
> > To: "Javi Milan" <[e-mail]>
> > Subject: Re: Art of Noise Custom CD Offer
> > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:57:05 +0100
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > X-Priority: 3
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
> >
> > Thank you  Javi
> >
> > I am doing it right now ! Can I order all 12 available tracks ?
> > Thanx
> > ZTT-Memories
> > [e-mail]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Javi Milan <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: Sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 1999 14:20
> > Subject: Art of Noise Custom CD Offer
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for purchasing Art of Noise's "The Seduction of Claude
Debussy"
> > CD
> > > at CDNOW. You are now eligible to make your own Art of Noise Custom
CD!
> > > You pick the songs, cover art, and title, and your Custom CD will b=
e
> > shipped
> > > to you within 24 hours of purchase.
> > >
> > > Choose up to 10 tracks from our rare Art of Noise collection. The
first
> > five
> > > songs cost $4.95, and each additional song costs $1.25, plus shippi=
ng
and
> > > handling.
> > >
> > > Redeeming this offer is simple:
> > >
> > > 1) Visit http://www.amplified.com/aon
> > >
> > > 2) Enter your one-time ACCESS CODE: XXXXXXXXX
> > >
> > > * This code is very important, so please do not lose it.
> > > We cannot process any orders without the code. Only one
> > > AON Custom CD per "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" CD purchase.
> > >
> > > 3) Select and sequence your songs.
> > >
> > > 4) Choose cover art and a title for your CD.
> > >
> > > 5) Enter your shipping and billing information. (Please note that a=
ll
Art
> > > of Noise Custom CD orders are payable by credit card only (no check=
s
or
> > > cash accepted at this time).
> > >
> > > If you have any questions about this offer, do not contact CDNOW.
> > >
> > > Please visit the URL above, send an email to
mailto:[e-mail],
> > > or call Amplified.com Customer Service at 1-800-413-8845. Amplified=
's
> > > Customer Service hours are Monday - Friday from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Eastern
> > > Standard Time.
> > >
> > > We hope you enjoy your Art of Noise Custom CD!
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Javi Milan
> > > CDNOW Digital Products
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>



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From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) propaganda 3" mabuse on ebay
Date: 19 Jul 1999 13:48:23 -0400


Hi
i'm not the one selling it, but i saw someone posting the mabuse 3" on
ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=133308358



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From: [e-mail] (Cliff Tuel)
Subject: (ztt) The Seduction of Chinese Food
Date: 19 Jul 1999 14:46:04 -0700 (PDT)


Last week I was dining at a swanky Chinese restaurant in Beverly Hills.
Next to the wonderful scents wafting from the kitchen, the finest thing
in the air was the sounds of the new Art of Noise CD, at a low volume
with the bass discretely turned down.  At first I could only hear the
piano bits, so I asked the waitress if it was a Debussy CD, or the new
Art of Noise.  She laughed, "I've heard Art of Noise, and no way is this
them!".  Then after checking the CD player, she was amazed that it was
indeed AoN.  2:-)

--
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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Good brand of CD for Audio copies
Date: 19 Jul 1999 18:39:17 -0500


Did any of you check out the quality of the various brands of CDs that are
available to make audio copies?

I made an audio copy on a MAXWELL CD at the end of May.  And over the
week-end, when I wanted to listen to it, my CD player did not recognized it
at all.

A friend of mine told me  that MAXELL has the worst CDs to make audio
copies.  Supposedly, VERBATIM also give suboptimal quality.

He did not have any problems with other brands of CDs so far.

Did anyone on the list find that other brands of CDs also make poor quality
audio copies?

Or, is there a brand known for its superior quality of audio copies?

Thanks,

Maggie

PS.  I am talking about audio copies and NOT mp3 copies.



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From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Cliff's story and other things
Date: 19 Jul 1999 17:45:20 PDT


Cliff : A perfect story, as I love Chinese food very much, and of course I
am a huge AON fan. That's very cool to hear !

For everyone else :

When is the scheduled release date for the "Dreaming In Colour" single ?
Will this one NOT be released in the US as well ? Anyone enter the Mixman
contest yet ?

NoiseWerker


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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) One more question about good burning practices
Date: 20 Jul 1999 00:39:54 -0500


Has anyone tested whether the speed of burning makes a difference?

Someone told me that if I would burn a CD at a lower speed the signal would
be etched (or whatever the term is) in the CD.

Cheers * Maggie

PS So far Mitsui Gold received the most votes
BASF (Tayo Uden) and Sony are next.



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>CDs that are available to make audio copies?
>
>I made an audio copy on a MAXWELL CD at the end of May.  And
>over the week-end, when I wanted to listen to it, my CD player
>did not recognized it at all.
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From: "Paul & Vanda Eggington" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON Custom CD
Date: 19 Jul 1999 23:01:14 -0700


Lazlo-

The same thing happened to me, and I emailed CD-Now a couple of times about
it - only got form responses. Finally emailed amplified.com for help and
they sent me a password and instructions. I just told them the story -
didn't even give them an order number, but they responded promptly. I just
received the CD today. In CD-Now's defence, I did get an email from them a
few days ago (several days after I had already ordered the CD using the
password amplified.com provided), saying that someone would be contacting
me. Also, I did change my email address since last ordering form CD-Now, so
they might have sent the password to the old address. But this is more info
than you need, just contact amplified.com!

By the way, I got all 12 "songs".

Good luck and thanks for all the discogs, etc. etc.

Paul Eggington



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From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC
Date: 20 Jul 1999 14:42:34 -0400


Hey there
I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might
have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video.

I dont know if Trev had anything to do (ever) with ABC, perhaps the
album was recorded at Sarm or something (i should go check credits).

It's at the very end of the video, after the girl and guy compare
'muscles' - a very short seen of a guy with horn-rimmed glasses in red
jacket sitting on a park bench.



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From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC
Date: 20 Jul 1999 14:07:15 -0600


On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 02:42:34PM -0400, Charles Daraghy wrote:

> I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might
> have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video.
>
> I dont know if Trev had anything to do (ever) with ABC, perhaps the
> album was recorded at Sarm or something (i should go check credits).

Yes you should. :-)

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From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: Re: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC
Date: 20 Jul 1999 22:30:21 +0200


> Hey there
> I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might
> have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video.

Right, but you've missed Paul Morley then!




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) Propaganda.....
Date: 20 Jul 1999 15:50:32 -0700




I saw the video clip on the updated Propaganda website and then sent e-mail
to them asking if this was part of the video for the first single, if I
recall, the person at the other end said "yes it is"...If this is any
indication of how the new album will sound,well, I can hardly wait for its
Spring 2000 release! ......"there is no cause for concern"




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 00:33:35 -0700 (PDT)


James Dawson wrote:
> I have a question, though: Has anyone else noticed the following mastering
> flaws, or do they only appear on my copy:

OK, let's catalog these. They sound to me like they're either in the
original recordings or are mastering errors, not duplication errors.
The undesirable effects can be found at the following locations:

Memory Loss {1:25}
The Subject Has Moved Left {1:33}
Structure {1:00}
Beat Box (Diverted) {6:01}

Any others?

Yet another plug for amplified.com's service -- After I informed them that
my CD never arrived, they sent a new one to me free of charge. I'm very
pleased with the custom CD and its packaging, and recommend anyone having
problems email them at [e-mail].


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Subject: (ztt) Trevorspotting (choose production)
Date: 13 Jul 1999 19:15:54 +0900




Please excuse the take on Trainspotting and its advertising jingle.

Someone mentioned that they wanted to hear the alternate version of Seal's
debut. Add to that wishlist the alternate but never released version of "Big
Generator" (back when Mr Horn was into that big time production sound) and
the fabled Mint Juleps and Wendy and Lisa albums. Actually, the unreleased
Mint Juleps album  is mentioned briefly in Holly Johnson's autobiography
(the part where the judge in the ZTT case tours ZTT studios and Steve Lipson
is demonstrating the synclavier).

Perhaps if ZTT or Trevor monitor this list then I might find a nice email in
my Inbox with MP3s attached. Well, we can all dream, can't we!!

Raymond A Koh - Trevor spotter extraordinaire
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From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AoN vs. Lucas vs. Kubrick vs. Groening
Date: 21 Jul 1999 11:10:48 -0500


I've been feeling the same thing about 1999: a big year for new work from
some of my favorite long-dormant creative types. I'd add to the Phantom
Menace and TSoCD list both Eyes Wide Shut (first Kubrick film in, what, 14
years?) and Futurama (first new Matt Groening show since the Simpsons in
1990).

I was seven when Star Wars came out and it changed my perspective on damn
near everything, influenced my tastes in not only movies, but books, music,
design, etc. Art of Noise in 1983 was a similar experience and continues to
influence and inform my musical taste to this day.

I beg to differ, however, with your reactions. Both Phantom Menace and TSoCD
exceeded my incredibly high expectations; I'm up to eight viewings of
Phantom Menace and TSoCD remains in heavy rotation. Neither was a "slow
burn," either; I was giddy at first blush on both and my appreciation and
admiration only grows with each viewing of Phantom Menace and each listen of
TSoCD.

Like you, though, I can't wait for more. We all know the long-range plan for
continued Star Wars prequels, but I'm wondering whether anyone's heard
anything more about the "alternate" versions of TSoCD planned ("The
Reduction of Claude Debussy," "The Production of Claude Debussy," "The
Abduction of Claude Debussy," etc.). Any new news on these?

JG
"I have forgotten how to walk and speak and am on the way toward flying into
the air, dancing."


        -----Original Message-----
        From:    Alexander J. Oss [mailto:[e-mail]]
        Sent:    Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:47 PM
        To:    Art-Of-Noise-Maillist
        Subject:    AoN vs. Lucas (I Don't Mean To Go Off On A
Rant Here)

        Expectation, expectation, expectoration.

        When I was eight or nine, I saw a movie that forever changed
my
        perspective on science fiction films and computer-assisted
art.
        The craftsman who created this movie made a few more, which
while
        handsome, were nowhere near as impressive.  Then there was
silence
        for over a decade.

        When I was thirteen or fourteen, I bought an album (and a
gazillion
        12" singles) that forever changed my perspective on
electronic
        music and further enhanced my appreciation for
computer-assisted art.
        The craftspeople who created this album made a few more,
which
        while intriguing, were nowhere near as impressive.  Then
there
        was silence for almost a decade.

        When I was thirty, that moviemaker rose from the dead to
create an
        incredibly anticipated "masterpiece", making use of state of
the
        art computer technology.  Unfortunately, without plot, and
an
        almost overwhelming CG presence causing a cartoon-like
atmosphere of
        unreality, the anticipation far outstripped the experience.
Not that
        I can't say I'm chomping at the bit for more.

        When I was thirty, those musicians rose from the dead to
create an
        incredibly anticipated Work Of Art, making use of state of
the Art
        computer technology.  However, the attempt at fusion of
classical and drum
        'n bass and jazz (trip-flop?) can't quite hold a tune, and
the anticipation
        outstripped the experience.  Not that I can't say that in
the event that
        Art of Noise return to the One True Manifesto ("And so
modern music goes
        round in this small circle, struggling in vain to create new
ranges of
        tones.  This limited circle of pure sounds must be broken,
and the infinite
        variety of 'noise-sound' conquered... the art of noise must
not limit
        itself to imitative reproduction") I wouldn't be chomping at
the bit to
        partake of their pleasures.

        "Bulgarian battalions marching croooc-craaac [slowly] Shumi
Maritza or
        Karvavena ZANG-TUMB-TUUUMB toc-toc-toc-toc [fast]"

        Such loss... but this time I didn't cry in the bathroom like
I did for the
        loss I felt when I heard Tom Jones and "Kiss" for the first
time, when
        genius antipop sank into crappop.

        Redemption is around the corner.  Present me with Noise, the
effort to
        translate the unexpected beauty in the sound of reality
around us into
        melody through technology, not a whole lot of d'nb loops
over pretty
        strings (can [or should] anyone say elevator Noise?).
Present me with THE
        TIMBRE OF MATHEMATICS, and THE RHYTHM OF MACHINES.  Present
me with THE
        NONTRADITIONAL, aka THE FUTURIST.  Should the best part of
the album really
        be sweet, filtered interjections from John Hurt?

        The skill is not in doubt.  The production values are still
high.  The aim,
        the goal, the purpose....... why is this seduction
considered an Art of
        Noise?

        Alexander J. Oss
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/alexoss
        "In song and dance, I express myself as a member of a
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From: [e-mail] (Cliff Tuel)
Subject: (ztt) New Propaganda lineup?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 16:57:30 -0700 (PDT)


Anyone know the lineup of the "new" Propaganda?  Obviously Claudia.
Who else?  Who's the Karl that posted to this list, about the web site?
Not Bartos, by any chance?

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Subject: (ztt) 3" Mabuse
Date: 22 Jul 1999 23:33:42 +0900


Man, have you seen the price of this baby on Ebay? There are some REAL
collectors out there. Would the owner care to MP3 the tracks to us all at
the list? (Note to ZTT* This is a joke)

Raymond A Koh
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From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Orbital/Art of Noise/Kraftwerk
Date: 22 Jul 1999 21:50:03 PDT




Latest issue of Raygun magazine :

"Orbital meets Art of Noise"

  Paul Hartnoll talks with Paul Morley and Anne Dudley about drum machines,
Hatnoll's early punk days and how he switched over from liking the Dead
Kennedys to rap and fell in love with brother Phil's copy of "Beat Box"; how
both groups have been able to have the upper hand over the music industry
for so many years, commercialism, and both groups' love of Kraftwerk.

  Paul Morley (AON) ----- "You talk about Kraftwerk. I consider Kraftwerk to
be Group Zero. In the true history of music, they're the most important
thing, as opposed to the other history of music where Elvis Presley was the
most important."

Paul Hartnoll (Orbital) ----- "Kraftwerk is where it really all started."

Paul Morley (AON) ---- "And indeed where it will all finish."


For the ZTT list :

  Got all three Amplified custom CD's in the mail. Quite pleased. I love the
opening of "A Time To Hear (What languages are those voice samples in ? It
sounds like Italian and Japanese.) " and "Who's Afraid of Scale". Why is it
that some demo tracks sound better than the released versions ?

  As far as the "flaws" are concerned, I mean, what the fuck do you expect ?
They're demos for crying out loud; of course they're going to have glitches
in them !

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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) www.mp3spy.com
Date: 23 Jul 1999 00:21:06 -0500


Just discovered a GREAT way to listen to music on the WWW    www.mp3spy.com.
Incredible quality (at least some of the stations.)  Those who want more
details, send me a private e-mail.

Cheers * Maggie


PS.  Thanks for all those who replied to my two questions about good quality
CD-R's.

I got a lot of private responses as well.

I will reply to you all and let you know what ended up being my best buy.

It is definitely not MAXELL; at least not for the burner that I have; a
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From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Wojciech_Zaj=B1c?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) introduction
Date: 23 Jul 1999 12:32:37 +0200


Hello,

My name is Wojciech, I live in Poland and like very much the music ZTT label
has made. I love Art Of Noise, Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Seal.
I would be interested in exchanging Polish cassette tapes from Seal, FGTH
and UK 12" singles from FGTH. I also have Japanese CD "Bong!" that also
could go for exchange.
One Second DR 156 Dragon label PL.

Feel free to write me after August 23rd. Tomorrow I am going on holidays.


Wojciech Zaj▒c

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From: Dave Cowen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Mixman Contest
Date: 24 Jul 1999 15:30:33 -0500


Hey all --

I posted my mixes of Dreaming in Colour on the MixZone site for the contest
a week ago -- and -nobody's- reviewed my tracks.  Good or bad review, give
the Mixman site ( http://www.mixman.com/html/mz/mixzoneframe.html ) a try and
give the mixes (both mine and others) a listen and review them!

If other listmembers are participating, I'm sure they'll be glad to see
the feedback as well...

David "Eschatfische" Cowen ([e-mail])


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From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) ZTT @ eBay (Hoodlum Priest CD + more)
Date: 26 Jul 1999 00:46:34 -0600


I have a bunch of spares up at eBay including Heart Of Darkness, blue-cover
Best Of AoN and the original US Welcome To The Pleasuredome CD...reasonable
starting bids...if you're interested:

  <http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/lazlo_nibble/>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) TSOCD in Russia
Date: 09 Jul 1999 09:47:32 +0100




Hello list,
I have just spend some days in Russia, where TSOCD naturally arrived ealy
July. It were in 3 out of 5 shops, that I visited. One legal store, where
the original was imported and two 'shops' with illegal pressings, where they
simple hardcopy both CD and front page! These illegal CDs are sold at 1.5 -
3.0 $ each - with gradual rebates, dependent on the number of CDs you
purchase. One of the shops listed rebates for 201-300 copies. I wonder how
many customers use these quantities!
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From: "Andrew M. Galkin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) FS: ZTT items and other electronic oddities
Date: 27 Jul 1999 03:00:05 -0600


Hello,

If anyone's interested I have over 100 records for sale with many ZTT items,
electronic dance, synthpop, industrial.

Please email me personally for a list.

[e-mail]

Thanks!

Andy


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From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Chart Positions
Date: 09 Jul 1999 17:27:40 +0900




It would be great if those people living in the UK and the US to keep an eye
open on the charts and to publish their findings on the list for us poor
souls who live in, for example, Japan, where copies of TSOCD are rather hard
to find and who have no idea where to access chart data. The last I heard
was that metaforce was languishing at 53 in the UK charts. as this as high
as it gets? That's what AON get for putting out an extremely conventional
track.

Ah well, I guess I will have to wait until I return the the UK in August to
hear my wonderful custom CD and the long awaited album.

ps I heard a section of the album on Japanese TV yesterday and I thought the
opera was very nice, contrary to what some others on the list thought!!

Keep dreaming in colour.............

pps On the Universal American release, is it "Dreaming in colour" or
"Dreaming in color"?

Raymond A Koh
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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject:  (ztt) Chart Positions
Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:41:06 -0500



It is "Dreaming in Colour", in the US; (CD distribited via
Universal records in New York)

I could swear that nl stands for "The Nederlands"  ?!!?

Maggie


::for us poor
::souls who live in, for example, Japan, where copies of TSOCD
::are rather hard
::to find and who have no idea where to access chart data. The
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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject:  (ztt) 3" Mabuse
Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:48:15 -0500




::Man, have you seen the price of this baby on Ebay? There are some REAL
::collectors out there. Would the owner care to MP3 the tracks
::to us all at
::the list? (Note to ZTT* This is a joke)
::


I don't mind taking your question seriously... Hey owner!

Maggie


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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB
Date: 27 Jul 1999 16:40:28 -0500


Why John Hurt?

"1984?"  "Love and Death on Long Island"?

Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)?  Why "the floor"?

Is it the "Disco floor (to dance and act out AoN as a metaphor)?"  Or, is
the floor in a literal meaning? to be trampled and walked over?  Or, is
there still another explanation?

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Subject: Re: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCD
Date: 27 Jul 1999 15:10:16 -0700 (PDT)


[typo in Subject line corrected]

> Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)?  Why "the floor"?

"4 on the floor" (or "4 to the floor") refers to a kick drum that hits on
every beat in 4/4 time. Remember elementary music theory?

People often use "4/4" and "4 on the floor" interchangeably to describe a
house/disco beat. Such a rhythm pattern actually consists of a bit more
than just a 4-beat time signature or monotonous kick drum pattern, but I
digress. The implication in this case is just that the remix is danceable.

I'm sure, however, there is probably some deeper meaning than just a play
on words, Morley being the clever devil that he is...

   - Mike

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From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB
Date: 27 Jul 1999 17:17:15 -0500



::
::| Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)?  Why "the floor"?
::
::Ever heard the phrase "four on the floor"?  As in, on hands and knees?
::

Yes, but I am not sure what your train of thought is.

I have the expression in connection with cars that have four acceleration
positions though.


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From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB
Date: 28 Jul 1999 07:41:21 -0500


Because Orson Welles is dead.

JG

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Why John Hurt?



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From: "H. van Iersel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) buggles & frames update
Date: 28 Jul 1999 15:24:23 +0200


+++

Hi everybody,

As already mentioned on this list, the Buggles' Plastic Age is rereleased
and it is great! The booklet has lots of rare photo's from Mr. Downes and
Horn. Also included is a Buggles-autobiography by Geoffrey Downes! And of
course the 3 bonus tracks (with the fantastic demo version of "Johny on the
monorail") are a must-have for every Buggles/TCHorn diehard.

Now let's wait another 20 years for the US promo-only remixes "Clean Clean"
and "Living In The Plastic Age" to be released on cd. Oh, then also include
the French 12" remixes from "On TV" and "Lenny"........

Some Frames updates:

Frames in the USA:  Pavement Tune - US promo cd5  ZTT U5P-1501
Frames in Ireland: Magic Hand - 10"


Till next time,


Henry



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From: Martin L Poulter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB
Date: 28 Jul 1999 20:21:19 +0100 (BST)


On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Hendrickx, Margaretha wrote:

> Why John Hurt?

They just liked his voice? Wanted something very masculine to contrast
with the wispy female singers.

> "1984?"  "Love and Death on Long Island"?
>
> Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)?  Why "the floor"?
>
> Is it the "Disco floor (to dance and act out AoN as a metaphor)?"  Or, is
> the floor in a literal meaning? to be trampled and walked over?  Or, is
> there still another explanation?

"Four on the floor" is a term for a 4/4 drumbeat.
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From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON : (off-topic) Phobrek (where are you ?)
Date: 28 Jul 1999 16:08:22 PDT




Hey Phobrek !

  Are you still on this list ? I know that it has been forever since the
last time you have written to me, but I have finally finished dubbing your
AON video that you had sent me a check for. I truly apologize that it has
taken such a horrendoulsy long amount of time, but my VCR has been having
loads of problems lately (tapes being continously eaten; etc.) . I hope that
you understand.

Anyways, I have lost your e-mail and home address, so I was wondering if you
could send those to me ASAP.

Thanks,

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) WTB: artofsilence.co.uk
Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:30:41 -0700 (PDT)


Can someone point me to someplace where I can buy the artofsilence.co.uk
CD? Thanks

   - Mike

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From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON : Metaforce premiere and contest
Date: 29 Jul 1999 23:55:19 PDT


Hey Noisemakers !

Raveworld (raveworld.net) is premiering the new "Metaforce" video on
saturday, and they are also having a contest where the winner will receive
signed lithograph prints from the video.

They're also showing footage next week from the ruins of Woodstock '99.


Good luck to you all !

NoiseWerker (AON & Kraftwerk FOREVER !)


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