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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:05:24 PDT
From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J.

I have a few questions regarding Lol Creme and J.J. Jeczalik.

1) Trevor had already known Lol from back in the day when he
appeared in the "Cry" video by Godley & Creme (this is mentioned in
the "Daft" liner notes). If Trevor knew him already, then why did AON

place an ad in a newspaper looking for an artist an a video director ?

Can someone say waste of money?

2) There is a member of Arkana (the group who coincidentally remixed
"Yebo") named "Lola Creme". Is this the same person as Lol, or is this
one of his relatives ?

3) Since Ian Peel decided to provide as little useful information
possible in his DJ Magazine article (please Ian, don't take this

the wrong way; I don't mean any offense by this, but I do think that a

lot of important questions were left unanswered) , can someone give
any insight as to why J.J. Jeczalik didn't return for this project

(I heard from AMG that he decided to retire from the music business) ?

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:10:06 PDT
From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON: masks for sale ???

Does anyone know where AON obtained their original masks from ?
I would love to buy some of them. Are they still being made ?


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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:28:29 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J.

On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 12:05:24PM -0700, Juno Jackson wrote:

> can someone give
> any insight as to why J.J. Jeczalik didn't return for this project
> (I heard from AMG that he decided to retire from the music business) ?

I can't find any JJ bio information on AMG's site, for what it's worth.  They
don't even list artofsilence.

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:17:06 -0500
From: Dave Cowen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J.

At 12:05 PM 4/23/99 PDT, you wrote:
>
>I have a few questions regarding Lol Creme and J.J. Jeczalik.
>
>1) Trevor had already known Lol from back in the day when he
>appeared in the "Cry" video by Godley & Creme (this is mentioned in
>the "Daft" liner notes).

He didn't just "know" Lol, he produced the Godley & Creme History Mix
and the song Cry.  JJ did quite a bit of work on the History Mix as
well.  Find it in a cut out bin somewhere -- the first two tracks are
really just AON remixing 10cc.  It's much sillier and less spooky than
Who's Afraid, but IMHO, it's the "lost" ZTT AON record.

>If Trevor knew him already, then why did AON place an ad in a newspaper
>looking for an artist an a video director ?  Can someone say waste of money?

I'm sure they wanted to explore their options.  If they had received
additional response, you wouldn't have asked this question.  Yes, it
seems to be quite silly to put out an advertisement and just hire
someone you've worked with before... but not if nobody else responds
to the ad.  Corporations regularly advertise for positions which are
subsequently filled with already in-house staff if an outside person
with the appropriate qualifications cannot be found.

>3) Since Ian Peel decided to provide as little useful information
>possible in his DJ Magazine article (please Ian, don't take this
>the wrong way; I don't mean any offense by this, but I do think that a
>lot of important questions were left unanswered) , can someone give
>any insight as to why J.J. Jeczalik didn't return for this project
>(I heard from AMG that he decided to retire from the music business) ?

The question is, whatever happened to artofsilence?  JJ's artofsilence
project wasn't the greatest, but certainly wasn't embarassing and West 4
was quite good.

Dave Cowen ([e-mail])


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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:02:34 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: Re: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J.

>>1) Trevor had already known Lol from back in the day when he
>>appeared in the "Cry" video [...]

>
>He didn't just "know" Lol, he produced the Godley & Creme History Mix
>and the song Cry.  JJ did quite a bit of work on the History Mix as
>well.  Find it in a cut out bin somewhere -- the first two tracks are
>really just AON remixing 10cc.  It's much sillier and less spooky than
>Who's Afraid, but IMHO, it's the "lost" ZTT AON record.


I've recently seen the video to 'Wet Rubber Soup' [greetings to Brussels],
which is one of the tracks you mentioned, and it appeared to me that Godley &
Creme exactly were to music video what AON were to music audio!


>>If Trevor knew him already, then why did AON place an ad in a newspaper
>>looking for an artist an a video director ?  Can someone say waste of money?


I'm not sure if we've got to take that too serious. Maybe they asked him
and he first rejected them - so the ad might have been their insider way
to proof that they really needed him (if there really was an ad).
BTW, when I reconsider what the requirements were supposed to be, even if
it was serious, there'd actually only be one or two people in the whole
wide world who'd apply anyway...


>>2) There is a member of Arkana (the group who coincidentally remixed
>>"Yebo") named "Lola Creme". Is this the same person as Lol, or is this
>>one of his relatives ?

Lalo Creme is Lol's son. (I think he also was in The Glam Metal Detectives.)
BTW, the singer of Arkarna is Ollie J, who's remixed Relax 1993.


>>3) Since Ian Peel decided to provide [...]


Although I very much share the interest in the old-age, I think it's only
fair to AON (and more useful within the context of DJ Mag) to lay the
emphasis on present affairs.

>The question is, whatever happened to artofsilence?  JJ's artofsilence
>project wasn't the greatest, but certainly wasn't embarassing and West 4
>was quite good.


I thought the whole album was really good (e.g. Messenger From Heaven),
and yet my favourite AOS track is the non-album 'Teach Me' (a real body
mover).


Cheers

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:27:59 -0500
From: James Scott Coward <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) RE: AoN Sampled

Ian Peel wrote:

> Wow - thanks David,
>
> I thought I'd post this back to the lists as there's some really
> interesting stuff in here...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Crouch [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 4:44 AM
> To: Ian Peel
> Subject: Re: AoN Sampled
>
> Ian,
>
> Here are a few samples:
>
> Summer Junkies - I'm gonna love you (heavily samples Moments in Love)
>
> C+C Music Factory - sample Beat Box on a 12" of either Gonna Make You
> Sweat
> (Everybody Dance  Now) or Here We Go, Let's Rock and Roll
>
> from Japanese Hip-Hop Sample FAQ at
> http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~crates/netafaq.html:
> Pizzicato Five -  sample Beat Box ?
>
> from the Rap Sample FAQ at http://accessus.net/~xombi/rock.html:
>
> Into the Battle with the Art of Noise: (Island 1983)
> * "Beat Box"
>      Gospel Gangstas' "One Time"
>      Heavy D's "Swingin Wit Da Heavsta"
>      Marky Mark's "You Gotta Believe"
>      XClan's "In the Ways of the Scales"
>
> Who's Afraid of the Art of Noise?: (Island 1984)
> * "Moments in Love"
>      LL Cool J's "Doin' it Again"
>      Maya's "It's all about Me"
>      Maya's "It's all about Me" (Remix)
>
> Ian Peel wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to put together a full list of artists who have sampled Art
> > of Noise.  Is there such a list on the WWW somewhere?  I haven't
> started
> > the list yet, but from memory it should include:
> >
> > Janet Jackson
> > Norman Cook
> > Definition of Sound
> > Prodigy

    That's not the half of it. C+C Music Factory also ripped "Moments In
Love" for the track "Just a Touch of Love." Also, Chubb Rock has used AON
on more than one occasion.
    (sadly) Markie Mark and the Funky Bunch blatantly ripped "Beat Box" on
one of their last popular (if that can ever be truly said) tracks. I'll
never forget the stumbling onto the video on MTV late one afternoon. They
were using "Beat Box" as a breakdown while slow motion footage was played
of everyone jumping into camera frame on a trampoline. I couldn't believe
it. I was torn between revulsion and respect for their momentary lapse into
good taste.
    There is some rapper that sounds like the guy who did "Oh Carolina". I
wish I could be more specific about him, but, on a track that one of my
best friends has, this guy used one bar of "Peter Gunn" as a breakbeat. He
used it from Duane's guitar right into that classic drum roll.
    There was, also, a minimalist industrial group called Kode-IV that used
various samples from the whole LP "Who's Afraid" along with "Crazy" by
Patsy Kline.
    I'm sure there are still others, but, this is all I can think of right
now.

Sincerely,
- -- James S. Coward
    [e-mail]
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    "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of
listening to it
immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and
enfolds a cloth
flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we
are listening to it, we
enter a kind of immortality."      - The Art Of Noise



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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:50:42 -0500
From: James Scott Coward <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J.

Juno Jackson wrote:

> I have a few questions regarding Lol Creme and J.J. Jeczalik.
>
> 1) Trevor had already known Lol from back in the day when he
> appeared in the "Cry" video by Godley & Creme (this is mentioned in
> the "Daft" liner notes). If Trevor knew him already, then why did AON
>
> place an ad in a newspaper looking for an artist an a video director ?
>
> Can someone say waste of money?
>
> 2) There is a member of Arkana (the group who coincidentally remixed
> "Yebo") named "Lola Creme". Is this the same person as Lol, or is this
> one of his relatives ?
>
> 3) Since Ian Peel decided to provide as little useful information
> possible in his DJ Magazine article (please Ian, don't take this
>
> the wrong way; I don't mean any offense by this, but I do think that a
>
> lot of important questions were left unanswered) , can someone give
> any insight as to why J.J. Jeczalik didn't return for this project
>
> (I heard from AMG that he decided to retire from the music business) ?

    As to the J.J. issue, this should clear things up as far as what the
man is doing these days. After all he actually wrote it.:

> James.........
>
> Thanks for the mail !
>
> There will be a new AoN album soon, but I am no longer participating !
>
> I'm enjoying a new life trading futures !
>
> Always a pleasure to reply !
>
> Cheers
>
> JJ
>

    As far as the question about the presence of Lol Creme on the album
after a publicized search for talent: Just because you worked with someone,
doesn't mean that you remember -or know- all of that persons
qualifications. Besides, maybe they thought he was too busy doing other
stuff to think he would be interested. It's not like Trevor has Lol's
number included in his wallet contents "for just such an emergency...". Can
someone say looking for new blood?

    Next up, the interview: do not knock Ian for focusing on the current
work. He does not work for VH-1 doing "Where Are They Now" installments.
AON's old work -however wonderful- is not relevant to present time. And the
present time is what any successful music mag is going to concentrate on.
You want history? Don't look for it in a pop culture mag. You wouldn't look
for pearls in a stagnant pond, would you?

- -- James S. Coward
    [e-mail]

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    "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of
listening to it
immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and
enfolds a
cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and
while we are
listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality"      - The Art Of Noise



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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:09:24 +0100
From: Smiley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) SMILEY'S SALE IS NOW ON!!!

LADIES & GENTLEMEN!!!!!

at long last, my long-promised (and possibly long-awaited) spares list is
now ready for your perusal and entertainment...

there are two lists:

1. the DANCE/TRANCE/AMBIENT.... list. look here for stuff by:

Andy Weatherall/Sabres/Two Lone Swordsmen/Lino Square/etc
Aphex Twin
Autechre
Baby Ford
Bjork
Coldcut
808state
Future Sound of London
David Holmes
The KLF
Leftfield
The Orb
Orbital
The Shamen
Tricky
William Orbit

and MANY, MANY more...

2. the ROCK/POP/INDIE list. look here for stuff from the early 1980s onwards.

there are MANY mega/ultra rare items for sale, and this list is over
SEVENTY PAGES LONG (!).

it includes stuff from:

ABC, The Adventures, The Alarm, All About Eve, Aztec Camera, The Beautiful
South/The Housemartins, The Beloved, The B-52s, Bjork, Black, The Blow
Monkeys, The Christians, Lloyd Cole, Julian Cope, The Cure (LOTS!), Danny
Wilson, Deacon Blue, Depeche Mode (LOTS!), Echo & The Bunnymen, Erasure
(LOTS!), The Fall, Fine Young Cannibals, Peter Gabriel, Garbage, House of
Love, Icicle Works, Inspiral Carpets, INXS, James, Jesus & Mary Chain,
Jesus Jones, The KLF, New Order, Oasis, Portishead, Prefab Sprout, The
Primitives, Prince (LOTS!), REM, Roachford, Saint Etienne, Simple Minds
(LOTS!), Siouxsie & The Banshees, SIster of Mercy, The Smiths (LOTS!),
JImmy Somerville/The Communards, The Sundays, That Petrol Emotion, The Men
They Couldn't Hang, The The (LOTS!), U2 (LOTS!), Voice of The Beehive, ZTT
(and related artists) and MANY, MANY more that I don't have time to
mention...

take a look at both lists, as there's quite a lot of overlap with
dance-stuff in the rock/pop list, and rock/pop stuff in the dance list.

i guarantee that there's something in there for practically everyone.

head on over to: http://come.to/SmileyWeb

thanking you for your time - enjoy!



- ---
Smiley




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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:57:49 -0400
From: David Crouch <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Trevor Horn and Lol Creme guest DJ at KCRW Monday

From the Art of Noise BBS at http://www.theartofnoise.com -

04/26/99 11:15AM (Pacific Time) -- Trevor Horn and Lol Creme
guest DJ live on KCRW 89.9FM (Los Angeles; Orange County).
Listen live online @ http://www.kcrw.org/online/.

Launch RealAudio player from http://www.kcrw.org/ra/live.ram

Dave


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:57:27 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Soeren Larsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) RE: AoN Sampled

>     There is some rapper that sounds like the guy who did "Oh Carolina". I
> wish I could be more specific about him, but, on a track that one of my
> best friends has, this guy used one bar of "Peter Gunn" as a breakbeat. He
> used it from Duane's guitar right into that classic drum roll.

It`s a track called Shout from 1994. It a lady singing and rapping, I
donno the name of the group, but I can find out. They use the Peter Gunn
sample and it was around the time Oh Carolina was popular too. I remember
some discussion on a radio program back then with the source of the sample
and who of the two who used the sample first.

The track is quite a party track. Not as corny as Marky Mark ao.

PS. I really hate him (them) for the sample of Loleatta Holloway `Love
Sensation`.


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:26:01 -0700
From: "Karl Hirschberger (Intl Vendor)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) ztt: New folders

Hi all,
I┤ve created two new sections on my page "weekly" and "pinboard".
In "weekly" i upload every week two new pictures, this week there are two
promotional pictures from Propaganda.
"pinboard" is now empty, but i want to do the following:
Everyone could advertise his Propaganda, Act, Claudia Brⁿcken related items,
which he would like to sell, or which he is looking for. So if everyone has
something else please write me.
The format could be like this:

Karl Hirschberger  e-mail:[e-mail]
For sale:
Propaganda - Duel 2x7" 1985 UK (ZTT/Island; DUAL 1) [gatefold ps]  20$
Wanted:
Claudia Brⁿcken - Kiss Like Ether 7" 1991 GE (Island; IS 479; 113 912) 5$

Every advertise is for around 6 weeks, then it will be deletet automatically
and
you could advertise again. Please anvertise with prices in American Dollar
and
don`t set the prices to high (some items are not as rare as it seems).

P.S. I don`t want to make money with that section, it is absoletely FREE.
And remember: Another hope is another dream

Bye
Karl

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:26:25 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: Re: (ztt) Trevor Horn and Lol Creme guest DJ at KCRW Monday

>>From the Art of Noise BBS at http://www.theartofnoise.com -
>
>04/26/99 11:15AM (Pacific Time) -- Trevor Horn and Lol Creme
>guest DJ live on KCRW 89.9FM (Los Angeles; Orange County).
>Listen live online @ http://www.kcrw.org/online/.
>
>Launch RealAudio player from http://www.kcrw.org/ra/live.ram
>
>Dave

Thanks a lot for forwarding this! It enjoyed it a lot!




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