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ztt-digest            Tuesday, May 5 1998            Volume 02 : Number 035




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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:47:15 +0100
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) New 808 LP

Hi folks,

I've just been sent the promo tape of 808's 808:88:98 (cat no. printed
on cover is ZTT 100CD).

tracks (as listed on the cover):

Side One
Pacific 707 3:53
Cubik 3:33
Cobra Bora 6:18
In Yer Face 3:55
The Only Rhyme That Bites (extended mix) 4:17
Olympic (Flutey Mix) 4:09
Ooops 4:44
Lift (Ex:el mix) 5:12
One In Ten 2:41
Plan 9 (LP Mix) 4:02

Side Two
10X10 (Gorgeous Mix) 3:33
Bombadin (Quica Mix) 4:44
Bond 5:05
Azura 5:44
Lopez 4:31
Crash 5:11
Pacific 808:98 5:56

The press release is clearly not written by Morely and - sadly -
mentions the word nostalgia more then twice!  Surprising also to see ZTT
still list their telex no. on their letterhead (alongside www.ztt.com).

Release dates are 04/05 for Pacific 808:98/Cubik:98 on 2 CDs and 12"
(ZTT98CD/CD2/T) and 18/05 for 808:88:98 on CD and cassette (ZTT100CD/C).

Ian Peel
- --- ---- > read.me in:
4D - THE TIMES' WEB MAGAZINE (www.4-d.co.uk)...
ON MAGAZINE (www.state51.co.uk/on/ianpeel.html)...
ROUGH GUIDES (www.roughguides.com/rock/index.html)...
and MY BOOK - FUTURE VISIONS (www.compbook.co.uk/promo/netguides/)


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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:11:12 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Soeren Larsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Look what dotmusic has in the shop

12'' Single=20
Pacific 808:98 / Cubik 98 : 808 State : =A33.63 Add To Basket=20



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Date: Fri, 1 May 98 15:09:31 +0100
From: Roger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Look what dotmusic has in the shop

Whats' the url for this?


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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 03:29:11 EDT
From: JohnJr DPD <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Let's get a few things straight...

1. Depeche Mode has NOTHING TO DO WITH ZTT and THEY NEVER HAVE!  Just because
a member of a band (in this case RUMOURED to be Martin Gore) has some sort of
connection to another band - DOES NOT MEAN that the two groups (in this
example Depeche Mode and Propaganda) are somehow now instantaneously
associated with each other! (i.e. the question - Was Depeche Mode on ZTT?)

2. When groups or bands are formed and they sign to a particular label DOES
NOT MEAN that they made some deal with the Devil and MUST be signed to that
record label for the rest of their natural lives!  This means that (wow!)
BANDS CAN SWITCH RECORD LABELS!  This is why The Art Of Noise (for one
example) have material that has been released on multiple record labels!

I have seen more questions lately on this list that could be answered by
common sense or just by having a QUICK look at Lazlo's Discography Machine at
his web site.  So, please go there, and do some reading.  This is not meant to
FLAME any one particular person or anyone at all - just do yourself a favor
and try to do a little research or looking around first.

Thank you.


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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 10:13:49 -0400
From: Jeff Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Anna Domino, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman

At 03:29 AM 5/3/98 EDT, it was written by JohnJr DPD:
>1. Depeche Mode has NOTHING TO DO WITH ZTT and THEY NEVER HAVE!  Just because
>a member of a band (in this case RUMOURED to be Martin Gore) has some sort of
>connection to another band - DOES NOT MEAN that the two groups (in this
>example Depeche Mode and Propaganda) are somehow now instantaneously
>associated with each other! (i.e. the question - Was Depeche Mode on ZTT?)

Which reminds me (speaking of long stretches) - I was wondering if anyone
knew of any websites where I can find some information on Anna Domino (who
was at one point produced by Flood, who produced some Depeche Mode tracks,
haha! Actually I was going to ask this question before this message, not
because I thought it was totally ZTT-related but because this group of
people (subscribers to this mailing list) seem rather keen when it comes to
lesser-known artists in general). I have a few pieces of vinyl by her and
they're both really good.

>2. When groups or bands are formed and they sign to a particular label DOES
>NOT MEAN that they made some deal with the Devil and MUST be signed to that
>record label for the rest of their natural lives!

(Unfortunately, there are a few artists out there who feel otherwise!)

>This means that (wow!)
>BANDS CAN SWITCH RECORD LABELS!  This is why The Art Of Noise (for one
>example) have material that has been released on multiple record labels!

>I have seen more questions lately on this list that could be answered by
>common sense or just by having a QUICK look at Lazlo's Discography Machine at
>his web site.  So, please go there, and do some reading.  This is not
meant to
>FLAME any one particular person or anyone at all - just do yourself a favor
>and try to do a little research or looking around first.

Which reminds me (not really) - I read in a Prince/O(+> biography that
Wendy & Lisa recorded an album for ZTT that was never released. Are there
any bootlegs of this album available?


Jeff Hamilton - the capitalist
http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffhamilton/

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 10:55:48 -0400
From: Dave <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Holly Johnson Interview

Hi,
Sorry, I have not been good about sending out copies of Lexicon to
people who sent me questions. Instead I have decided to post the holly
Interview to the group.
Couple of notes-
This is the raw un-edited (pretty much) interview. IT HAS SPELLING
ERRORS! so sue me! The cleaned up version, an intro and a biography
(taken from Mr. Johnson) are not here but do appear in the mag.


Happy reading!

You haven t been heard from in a while here in the States, bring us up
to date.

Since leaving Frankie Goes To Hollywood in 1987 I have had several
careers; solo singer, author and painter/artist. Only one of my three
solo albums was released in the United States. "BLAST" on the Uni label.
The song from  that album "Love Train" was released as a single but the
project was  sabotaged due to U.S. record company power struggles.
Another song from that album 'Americanos" was used on the opening
credits for the movie "Cookie". In the U.K. BLAST was a number one chart
album .What can I tell you? I continue to be creative, but have only
been commercially successful outside of the U.S. I worked a lot on my
painting and had an exhibition in London , March  1996.My HIV/AIDS
diagnosis in 1991 was somewhat of a distraction from  my career.

You wrote a book, an autobiography. Any plans to follow that up?

I feel I have to live a little longer before I write a sequel to my auto
biography which covers my experiences up until October 1991.Writing is a
creatively rewarding occupation but for me very time consuming. Since my
book I have done a little journalism but nothing is in the current
pipeline. I do think I will write other things though.

Was  A Bone In My Flute  ever published here? I can not seem to find it.

No, it was published in the commonwealth U.K. Canada, Australia, South
Africa. It sold quite well and was universally well received. Although
now out of print, 3000 people took it out of U.K. libraries last year.
The larger U.S. Publishing houses did not see it as a commercially
viable book. Let's face it I am not Joan Collins or Boy George. Although
we were The Spice Girls of 1984 in Europe, My work has never been widely
promoted in the U.S. One U.S. hit single and a hit T Shirt in 1985 does
not a celebrity make.

Tell us about your paintings.

I see the paintings as another facet of my POP art statement. I think
FRANKIE was a very visual statement also. When I was a teenager I was
very inspired by Andy Warhol and I think he was the most important
artist of the 20th Century. I especially liked the idea of The Exploding
Plastic Inevitable, which was a touring HAPPENING that consisted of The
Velvet Underground and Andy Warhol in a performance, film and Music
extravaganza. I  always saw myself as a multi media artist. My paintings
have a POP quality to them, colour is very important. I prefer not to
explain them in a theoretical way. I was about to give music up in 1983
and start an Art College degree......and then there came a BANG! which
was Frankie. I guess Frankie was my Pop Art degree show.


You and the rest of FGTH had brief roles in the Brian De Palma film
Body Double.  Any roles since then, do you have any desire to be an
actor?

I would love to . Although the film world mystifies me. I think it is
even weirder than the Music Industry. I hope If I ever do it again that
I do it well. Some Pop Stars make lousy actors don't you think? It's as
if they can't get over themselves, as being  "special" as who they are
and hope that  will carry them through.

How is your health these days?

My health seems to be improving daily. Thank you .

Are you working on any new music?

Yes. Eighteen months ago I built a loft extension on my house especially
to house SKY studios where I have been recording on and off ever since.
I am working on producing an album .

Are you working with anyone in particular?

I started off working with co producer Steve Lovell  (an old friend from
Liverpool who I have worked with in the past) we did two tracks together
to christen the studio. I have worked alone and with other musicians,
engineers and programmers since then. I am financing the recording
myself. So I have no big names to drop .


What sort of music do you follow these days?

I like a lot of different things although I tend to come back to
"electronica" again and again. Kraftwerk being a big early influence. I
love Pop. Madonna seems to be the cleverest exponent in that arena. From
Janet Jackson all the way over to       Techno, drum and bass, some
guitar bands like The Verve, some Hip Hop. I buy a lot of CD'S and old
vinyl  (WAY TOO MUCH REALLY). T.REX was a huge influence. The list is
endless .

You worked with Ian Broudie recently, how was that, anything come out of
that?

"Ferry Across The Mersey" by Holly Johnson and The Lightening Seeds
appears on the Live Album. "You'll Never Walk Alone"(V2 Records). It is
recorded excerpts from The Hillsborough Justice Concert, which happened
last year At Liverpool's Anfield Football Stadium. An album in aid of
the Legal battle being fought by the families of the Hillsborough
football stadium tragedy where 96 people died, in 1989. It was a very
emotional experience, I was the homecoming queen. I was touched. And
very happy that Ian invited me to do that with his group who have been
rather successful over here in the last few years. Ian was the lead
guitarist in my very first Band which was called BIG IN JAPAN back in
1977.

If you could work with anyone these days, who would it be?

Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Kate Bush, Arthur Baker, I would love to work with
Dan Hartman again but unfortunately he left the planet a few years ago
now, Patrick Cowley likewise.
I am a fan of so many musicians , producers and  artists that this list
could be huge.

Would you ever work with Trevor Horn again?
I think Trevor is a really good arranger , he can create epic qualities
and strange melancholy moods. Creatively  I  would answer yes but
practically I doubt it will ever happen

Going back over your career, how was your experience with Big In Japan?
Do you keep in touch with members other than Broudie?

Big In Japan were an interesting group of people, rather than an
interesting group. I was never that into being a bass player in a group
. I did it for the experience and was more interested in writing the
lyrics for that band . Although there were different writers vying for
that role. I  met  up with Budgie the drummer (Siouxsie and the
Banshees, The Creatures) recently I did a club P.A. on  Valentines night
and he came along, he is a very sweet person, I don't count many
heterosexual men as friends but I love Budgie. I haven't seen Bill
Drummond for a while  we met up a few years back after the KLF had
decided to call it a day for a while. I loved those records. I talk to
and see the bands singer Jayne Casey a lot we have been through a lot
together over the years . I don't know Dave Balf very well as he
replaced me as bass player but we did speak recently he is a big wheel
at Capitol Records now.

When FGTH got signed what were you doing for a job?

I didn't have a job. I always saw being in a band a full time job. I was
really the bands manager for a while, getting gigs etc. I signed on the
dole, you call it welfare.

How did the band hook up with ZTT?

By that time we had a manager in London called Bob Johnson. We had made
a crude promo video which was us miming to demos of """Relax""" and "Two
Tribes." It was during our Leather Fetish  phase. We looked like extras
from the movie The Road Warrior. a new TV show called the tube was
starting up. They liked the video and came to Liverpool and shot a
cleaned up version (the original was very sleazy, but in a good way....)
Trevor saw that appearance and made a mental note about the song
"""Relax""" which he felt he could make a hit out of. It wasn't until
months later though when he heard the song again on the radio as part of
a Kid Jenson session that he contacted us.

For the finished product how much was the bands writing and how much was
Horn and Company arranging?

Well the song was complete and the bass and drum groove was there on the
demo before we even dreamed of a worldwide hit. The actual recording
used lots of groundbreaking and expensive technology .The record would
not have been so complex and innovative without Trevor and his team. But
it took our raw energy and youthful exuberance to start that particular
fire. My vocal was actually quite an important element, although that
sounds rather like blowing my own trumpet.

You guys had a very complicated design going with the singles and
related product from the first album. Was there a master plan in all of
that, I mean- is it supposed to make sense?

ZTT Liked to think there was a master plan but so much happened by
accident. For example ; the whole idea of having multiple dance mixes of
a single started with Frankie, but it was thought up by the MD of Island
Records at that time a man called Dave Robinson, just so he could keep
the record at number one for another week. It would be a bit like
Malcolm Maclaren claiming that The Sex Pistols was all his idea. It's a
ridiculous concept. Things evolve, planning is a often a waste of time.
Sh** happens.

FGHT, even on Liverpool, had a very lush sound- is that what you were
aiming for or more of a rock sound?

Well I wanted to make the kind of records that I heard in the discos
that I danced in at that time. Funky, electronic sounds, while the
musicians in the band were more rock oriented. This I suppose created
the sound we know as FGTH. On the Liverpool album the band pushed harder
towards a more conventional rock sound and that's when I started to lose
interest.

 Liverpool  had some great moments, like  "Watching the Wildlife."  Do
you find anything redeeming about the album or was it too painful?

Some of the songs are good on that album I just wasn't happy with the
direction and the fact that Trevor didn't really produce it. Making the
record was emotionally painful as I felt I was losing control of my
baby. "Maximum Joy" was good to perform live for example, "Wildlife" was
quite a good song also.

Do you think that, given the hype and expectations, that the band could
have ever followed up  Welcome....  and pleased everyone?

Probably not. This hype word bothers me though It always sounds like an
accusation, what does it mean, advertising, column inches in the press?
Bands themselves are never really responsible for all of that. That is
something that happens to you when you sell millions of records.

It s funny but at the time you were seen as  just the singer.  Nowadays
people have recognized that you are a great songwriter too. Is this
something you have worked hard at?

To be honest I haven't noticed any recognition of my songwriting
capabilities lately, or ever for that matter. Not in the Industry
anyway. (we won an Ivor Novello award once for "Two Tribes", best
contemporary song 1984). People stop me in the street from time to time
and tell me that "The Power of Love" is somehow very special to them.
And that's very uplifting when it happens. It's great to know that you
have touched someone, someone that you don't even know

ZTT-not sure how much you want to or are able to talk about those days,
but---Why did you want to leave? Was it, as they say, all about the
Benjamins?

I don't know this Benjamin's word. Maybe it's Benjamin Franklin on
dollar bills? I felt very let down by Trevor when he didn't really
produce the second album. I also did not get along with his wife Jill
Sinclair from the get go, she ran the label on a business level. The
contract we had all signed was later judged to be "unfair" or "in
restraint of trade" in legal terms. I just didn't like the way they
operated, neither did the band, but the band weren't really prepared to
take them on in a legal dispute. By the time they may have joined me in
challenging the contract I had left the group and we were no longer on
speaking terms

Do you think it was the court battle that sunk ZTT, or was the court
battle just symptomatic? It seems like everyone eventually leaves ZTT,
even Seal and 808 State have left now.

Well ZTT are still afloat on a business level because business is what
it has mostly always been about for them. It seems to now have no real
direction on an artistic  level, except for trying to warm up cold
coffee.  I suppose the fact that all the artists have left  speaks for
itself. But you can never rule out the fact that anyone can have a
renaissance at any time. John Travolta is living proof.

What do you think of the current ZTT?
I don't have much contact with them to be honest. I'm not on their
mailing list. I suppose I am not Trevor Horns or JIll Sinclairs
favourite person. At least they had the good sense to release a Best Of
Frankie Goes To Hollywood Album, even if I didn't get a vocalist credit,
in fact none of the band did, which sums up their attitude I suppose.

Since then you have done several successful, both critically and
saleswise, albums. None seemed to have clicked here, why is that do you
think?

I believe I never got support from MCA in the United States for reasons
of internal politics. David Simone (who is now head of A&R at Geffen)
could tell you more about that than I. He signed me to the label and
believed  in me, which I was very grateful for. But As I was signed via
the U.K. record company there were no brownie points for anyone in the
U.S. to work on my album. David was an Englishman brought into the L.A.
Office to start his own label within MCA, but never got the financial
and moral support  to break any of his acts. That's my excuse anyway.
Which is a boring answer. Maybe MTV didn't like "The Love Train" video,
who really knows or cares why something doesn't happen. Why aren't you
the editor of Vanity Fair?

[Touch=E9]
Have you ever done a tour to support any of them?

No. When in 1989 my manager set up a tour for me I was starting to have
some health problems, which worried me greatly, I pulled out because I
thought at the time that I could not stand up physically to another
tour. The Frankie experience had taken  it's toll on my health and I
guess I was beginning to suffer symptoms of AIDS Related Complex
although I wasn't sure of it at the time. I was in denial .

If we could turn a moment to your health-
How has being HIV+ changed your life and your out look on life?

The Inevitability of having to turn to questions about my health is
almost as hard to come to terms with as the virus itself. Other people
need to know that HIV is real I understand that. But It is very
isolating nevertheless to be questioned about how it affects me. It's
like the gay issue. I always felt that the media marginalised me because
I was openly gay, now it feels like a further narrowing of the pigeon
hole people try to slot me into. The range of emotional highs and lows
on the HIV Rollercoaster are far too many to go into here. I feel that
it should be enough for you to know my HIV+ status. And perhaps to know
that sometimes I feel very grateful and glad to be alive and as well as
I am.

How has the reaction from the wider  mainstream  musical community
differed from the reaction of the gay community.

Some people in the Gay community were quite supportive, Jimmy Somerville
for example, and I feel that I have had very little support from people
within the music Industry. They wrote me off years ago anyway, as they
do when a pop career wanes. I do get the odd letter from Gay men and
women. I do get more mail from ordinary Heterosexual people though as
there are a lot more of those on the planet, Heterosexuality is very
common! I was never a big banner waving gay activist, just open about my
sexuality. I have been called ,brave, tragic and other things. I don't
see myself as either.

Do you find yourself more politicized these days because of being
positive?

I have learned that people with HIV are not welcomed into some countries
(including the U.S.A.) I have become more aware how activism can bring
about change. Many  people have been inspired by the way the Gay
community in the U.S. reacted to the AIDS crisis. I was. Also people
like Derek Jarmen who used agit prop as part of his Art inspired me to
continue to be creative and not give up the goat. I think the best thing
I can do is to carry on with my work and carry with me a sense of
openness and dignity.
That is my idea of a political act.

Do you think you being so openly gay had an effect on FGTH s reception
here in the States? Did you ever run into problems?

Well Homophobia exists there is no doubt in my mind about that.
"""Relax""" was released in the U.S. long before it was a hit. The first
time it reached number 67 in the Billboard charts. We were told that
this was because we were fashionable in New York and L.A. where there
are large gay communities. It took a repackaging of the single and a new
video that took away the S&M/Gay visual language we had used in Europe
to make ""Relax"" a top ten hit in 1985.

Do you find it easier as a gay man in the UK or in the States? I guess I
am remembering there was some anti-gay legislation a couple of years ago
that got people worried- Boy George did a song about it even.

I was never in the United States long enough to gauge what it was really
like to live there as a Gay Man. Certainly I get the feeling that the
gay voice is stronger in the U.S. and that if you are an American
citizen you have a constitutional right to equality like health benefits
for partners etc, although this is not universal. And Gays are still not
allowed in the military in the U.S.(but who in their right mind would
want to be, unless it was just for the uniform) I might have problems in
Utah. There is definite discriminatory legislation in this country .
Like an unequal age of consent for sexual activity. There is a tendency
to small mindedness and negativity  in this country. But the U.S. is not
exempt from those things either. I find U.S. accents very sexy though,
which would be a bonus.

The song  ""Relax" was widely interpreted as being about oral sex. How
do you feel about that song these days?

I think it was a great record and it still sounds good today. It was
never about oral sex specifically. But as a songwriter and human being I
do endorse oral sex. If it was a product I would not object that
""Relax"" be used in Oral * TV Adverts:-)

What s your favorite Spandua Ballet song?

I don't really have one to be honest. If you really pushed me I would
say "True". They were nice guys when I met them but I was not a fan.

Do you keep in touch with people from the Liverpool days?

My sister and  my friend Jayne Casey are in touch constantly. I recently
donated a large light sculpture called Cyberman to The Liverpool
Institute Of Performing Arts. So I suppose I do.

What do you think of Ped s work on Fresh Records?

Well I'm only familiar with Love Come Rescue Me by Lovestation which I
thought was good. I think it's great that he move on to drum programming
and remixing. Although He is mainly designing Websites now, I hear. He
has his own it's called  "helicopter"

Do you keep in touch with other FGHT members?

They all get Christmas cards from me!




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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:13:24 +0100 (BST)
From: "graphicdesignstudent'98" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Let's get a few things straight...

On Sun, 3 May 1998, JohnJr DPD wrote:

>
> 1. Depeche Mode has NOTHING TO DO WITH ZTT and THEY NEVER HAVE!  Just because
> a member of a band (in this case RUMOURED to be Martin Gore) has some sort of
> connection to another band - DOES NOT MEAN that the two groups (in this
> example Depeche Mode and Propaganda) are somehow now instantaneously
> associated with each other! (i.e. the question - Was Depeche Mode on ZTT?)
>
> 2. When groups or bands are formed and they sign to a particular label DOES
> NOT MEAN that they made some deal with the Devil and MUST be signed to that
> record label for the rest of their natural lives!  This means that (wow!)
> BANDS CAN SWITCH RECORD LABELS!  This is why The Art Of Noise (for one
> example) have material that has been released on multiple record labels!
>
> I have seen more questions lately on this list that could be answered by
> common sense or just by having a QUICK look at Lazlo's Discography Machine at
> his web site.  So, please go there, and do some reading.  This is not meant to
> FLAME any one particular person or anyone at all - just do yourself a favor
> and try to do a little research or looking around first.
>
> Thank you.
>
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  Ho Hum, just shows what a little enquiry can be capable of stirring up!
  Ever heard of 'chinese whispers'?

  This 'comment' above was just PART of an enquiry I sent to the ZTT
  mailing list just...er...three or four weeks ago to which I recieved some
  very helpful and insightful comments. Thankyou all.

  I don't know from which perspective you are commenting on this Mr.
  JohnJr [coincidence eh?], but it seems the Chinese whispers factor has
  definately got to you.

  The original question was to do with the forthcoming album from
  Propaganda. The Martin Gore factor was acknowledged as just a rumor, and,
  as a fan of both (or else I would have no interest would I?) I was
  fascinated to learn of a possible development between both parties.
  So yes, I realise DM were, are and are never likely to end up on ZTT,
  mores the pity.

  So, 1. Please make sure your comments are supported (ie. by including
         the aforementioned email to backup your comments.) and
      2. Make sure the email you reply to isnt a month old, the world
         moves on.

  John.


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