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zorn-list-digest Digest                Volume 96 : Issue 23

Today's Topics:
  Re: Hat prices at Tower               [ "R. Lynn Rardin" <RARDIN%ORION@BINA ]
  Re: Mike Patton Question              [ "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichi ]
  Re: David Shea and other collaborato  [ john shiurba <[e-mail]> ]
  Re: Zubi Zuva, PSF, & FW III          [ john shiurba <[e-mail]> ]
  Re: Zubi Zuva, PSF, & FW III          [ "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichi ]
  summerstage                           [ [e-mail] (jonathan kaye) ]
  mr. bungle                            [ "Wilson, King of Prussia" <wilson@s ]
  Re: summerstage                       [ [e-mail] (Jeff Spirer) ]
  "make the subject relevant"           [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: summerstage                       [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Buckethead                        [ [e-mail] ]
  Toy Factory Records                   [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Mike Patton Question              [ [e-mail] ]
  Cibbo Matto/Zorn Connection           [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: summerstage                       [ Me <[e-mail]> ]
  Re: Buckethead                        [ [e-mail] (Jeff Spirer) ]
  Naked Kermit City                     [ "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" < ]
  Re: Toy Factory Records               [ "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" < ]
  Re: Naked Kermit City                 [ john shiurba <[e-mail]> ]
  Re: mr. bungle                        [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Naked Kermit City                 [ [e-mail] ]
  Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny      [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny  [ [e-mail] ]

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:55:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "R. Lynn Rardin" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Hat prices at Tower
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I wrote:
>>Unfortunately, the Cadence/North Country Hat Hut sale has been over for
>>awhile now.  But it's worth the $$ even at full price.  Tower may still
>>have their Hats priced cheap.  It would definitely be worth checking
>>there.

Glenn replied:
>I picked up Gerry Hemmingway's "Demon Chaser" (Hat Art) a few weeks back
>for $13.99 at Tower. I believe they marked them down permanetly. At least
>that's what I heard.

I believe the markdown is only permanent until Bayside runs out of Hat Hut
stock.  At that point, Tower will have to obtain Hat CDs from another
distributor like North Country and prices are sure to shoot back up when
that happens.

-Lynn

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:33:35 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
To: Damien Cassidy/Acton/NFSA <[e-mail]>
Cc: zorn-list <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mike Patton Question
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

On 8 May 96 10:21:41 EAT  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >I got ADult Themes for Voice today, and it has a little bio on Mike and says
> >" Mike hasworked with various ensembles and composers such as Mr. Bungle,
> >Kronos Quartet, Faith No More, Bob Ostertag, Arto Lindsay, Bil Laswell,
> >Boo-Yaa Tribe, Rova Saxophone Quartet, David Shea, Sepultura and John Zorn."
> >I was wondering about the many projects and what was available on CD and how
> >to get it all (the ones that aren't the obvious). If anyone knows, please
> >post here and/or e-mail myself. Thanks.

Does anybody know about the following tape?

Review of a tape by Mr. Bungle in Option March/April 1987 (pp. 23):
*** - THE RAGING WRATH OF THE EASTER BUNNY: Mr. Bungle
 (1987 (?) - Ladd-Frith (USA), ??? (CT)

I don't remember any Mr. Bungle fan mentioning it and I even wonder if it is
really a tape by Mike Patton's group.

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:18:00 +0000
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
To: zorn-list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: David Shea and other collaborators
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N Vassiliou wrote:
>
> On different note, has anyone listened to volume 1 in the Sub
> Rosa/Subsonic series(Fred Frith/Marc Ribot)?I am really interested to know
> if it is any good.

this is an interesting disc. at first i was disappointed because i thought it
was going to be guitar duos, instead there's a frith solo acoustic piece and a
piece for multiple overdubbed electric guitars by frith. the ribot stuff is in
the vein of the "shrek" cd on avant. there's one piece where ribot
simultaneously plays guitar and Eb horn. he should've gone on letterman with
this.

overall i'd say good, perhaps not essential.


shiurba

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:22:46 +0000
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
To: zorn-list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zubi Zuva, PSF, & FW III
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Dave Keffer wrote:

> Lastly, Filmworks III (on Toys Factory or evva) has 56 tracks.  the first
> 12 are Masada, one of which has QUine playing with them and is
> fantastic.  There is one track of cartoon cues from "cynical hysterie
> hour" or something like that.

one track? so this probably isn't the same as the cbs cd of "c.h.h"?

> THere are about 12 tracks of Zorn/Ribot
> duets, which are also spectacular.  THen there are about 30 pieces of
> music for a commercial advertising firm, which are a mixed bag of tricks.
> (the liner notes are in english).

sounds good!


shiurba

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:34:33 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
To: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Cc: zorn-list <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zubi Zuva, PSF, & FW III
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 15 May 1996 11:22:46 +0000  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Dave Keffer wrote:
>
> > Lastly, Filmworks III (on Toys Factory or evva) has 56 tracks.  the first
> > 12 are Masada, one of which has QUine playing with them and is
> > fantastic.  There is one track of cartoon cues from "cynical hysterie
> > hour" or something like that.
>
> one track? so this probably isn't the same as the cbs cd of "c.h.h"?
>
> > THere are about 12 tracks of Zorn/Ribot
> > duets, which are also spectacular.  THen there are about 30 pieces of
> > music for a commercial advertising firm, which are a mixed bag of tricks.
> > (the liner notes are in english).
>

No THE ELEGANT SPANKING?

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:15:16 -0400
From: [e-mail] (jonathan kaye)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: summerstage
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today's new york times listed the summerstage schedule for this summer. for
those of you outside new york city, summerstage is new york's premier free
concert series held on weekends in central park. included in the schedule
were the following listings:

july 6: yoko ono, cibo matto, john zorn's masada

july 13: bill laswell with praxis, jah wobble, nicky skopelitis, the last poets

many other wonderful shows but these are the most relevant to this list.

jon

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:11:40 -0500
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: mr. bungle
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>Does anybody know about the following tape?
>
>Review of a tape by Mr. Bungle in Option March/April 1987 (pp. 23):
>*** - THE RAGING WRATH OF THE EASTER BUNNY: Mr. Bungle
> (1987 (?) - Ladd-Frith (USA), ??? (CT)
>
>I don't remember any Mr. Bungle fan mentioning it and I even wonder if it is
>really a tape by Mike Patton's group.


  Mr. Bungle has a few demo tapes floating around.  I have "Raging Wrath"
(or used to) which has mostly demo versions of songs off their first
albums.  The different arrangements make it worth getting, though.  It has
one or two new songs, including a really good song called OU818, ten
minutes of pure, unreleased bungle.
  I have heard one other demo tape of theirs, too, but I can't recall the
name.  I have been told their are four tapes floating around....





















                                read icculus

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:45:59 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Spirer)
To: [e-mail] (jonathan kaye), [e-mail]
Subject: Re: summerstage
Message-Id: <v02140b00adc0389850e6@[205.134.229.38]>
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At 4:15 PM 5/15/96, jonathan kaye wrote:
>today's new york times listed the summerstage schedule for this summer. for
>those of you outside new york city, summerstage is new york's premier free
>concert series held on weekends in central park. included in the schedule
>were the following listings:
>
>july 6: yoko ono, cibo matto, john zorn's masada
>
>july 13: bill laswell with praxis, jah wobble, nicky skopelitis, the last poets

This was called off last week but reinstated this week with a somewhat
smaller crew of artists.  I hope to have the exact lineup in the next few
days and will post at the Axiom Web Site (URL below.)


Jeff
[e-mail]
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:17:18 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: "make the subject relevant"
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Allright, allright, now I am the last person who would make a suggestion
on proper posting etiquette (or "netiquette", if you like), but if I open a
piece
of mail with the subject "crimson vs. the dowtown scene", then damnit thats
what
I want to read about! :)  Just like a recent post with the subject "Marc
Ribot", and
it had nothing to do with him.  I was crushed.  If I reply to a post but the
subject
matter has completely changed, then I change the "subject".  Now I sound like
a whiner,
but lets all comply, or else.

I also hate posts that have nothing to do with the list in general, so now I
must
come up with something relevant to talk about....

Does anyone know how long Kermit Driscoll played in Naked City?


[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:48:44 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: summerstage
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Unfortunately, Axiom (Laswell's WWW page) notes that the 7/13 Summerstage
show with Praxis has been cancelled.

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:06:10 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Buckethead
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

anyone know where i might be able to order Deli Creeps and Giant Robot from?
I'm very very interested in them.  thanks

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:07:23 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Toy Factory Records
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Does someone have the address/catalog/phone number/www address whree i can
look and order CDs from this label? I really want to get ahold of Filmworks 3
and other cool goodies. thanks tons.

matt

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:10:52 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mike Patton Question
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

that would be a demo that Bungle recorded back then. i think that they sold
it in San Franciscan record stores @ the time they put it out.

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:14:26 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Cibbo Matto/Zorn Connection
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I remember Matt Plinkton on Mtv's 120 Minutes mentioning somehting about John
Zorn doing something with the girls known as Cibbo Matto... I was wondering
if anyone knew anything about the connection there or what....

matt

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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:54:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Me <[e-mail]>
To: Zorn Digest <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: summerstage
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, 15 May 1996, jonathan kaye wrote:

> july 6: yoko ono, cibo matto, john zorn's masada

Well now, I'm going to be in New York from July 3rd-7th (mainly to see
the Mothership return on the 4th) and I was really dissapointed to find
out that I would miss Laswell & Co. on the 13th.  I still am, but I
suppose seeing John Zorn live for the first time will make up for that.
Or, to put it another way:

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

Ah, that felt good.  Seven weeks from today I'm on the plane East...

Thanks for the info,

Paul
[e-mail]
Orgasming all over myself (no, not literally!)

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:10:52 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Spirer)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Buckethead
Message-Id: <v02140b01adc0e36bbfc2@[205.134.229.35]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>anyone know where i might be able to order Deli Creeps and Giant Robot from?
>I'm very very interested in them.  thanks

There are no released recordings of the Deli Creeps.

_Giant Robot_, the Bill Laswell-produced CD, is out of print.  There may be
copies available but I haven't heard of any for a while.  Giant Robot, the
band (Buckethead and Brain), have a pre-release cassette that is sold at
Buckethead shows.  There may be a CD pressed, but there is no distribution
in place.


Jeff
[e-mail]
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:44:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Naked Kermit City
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Who oh who is Kermit Driscol, and when did he play with Naked City?


-jascha

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:47:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Toy Factory Records
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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> Does someone have the address/catalog/phone number/www address whree
i can
> look and order CDs from this label? I really want to get ahold of Filmworks 3
> and other cool goodies. thanks tons.

Yeah, i'd like to know, too.  Does anyone know if FW3 will get reissued
on Tzadik, or some other nice, friendly non-import label for those of us
living in N.A.?

-jascha

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:08:51 +0000
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
To: zorn-list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naked Kermit City
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Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
>
> Who oh who is Kermit Driscol, and when did he play with Naked City?

kermit driscoll was the bass player the bass player in bill frisell's
group from about 85-95, and still plays with "new & used". i hadn't been
aware that he was in naked city. he seems much too low key for the
group, but then again you might say the same of frisell.


shiurba

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:36:29 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: mr. bungle
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

wrath was there first demo. i just read so guy saying he had heard it and
them decribed there fourth demo 0U818.  there first demo is by far my
favorite.  it is hard core death metal with insane screaming by patton.  very
hard to come by.  worth checking out

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:45:23 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Naked Kermit City
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Yes,  Kermit was the bassist in Bill Frisell's various bands over the last
decde.  In my opinion he is a very underated player.

I know that he played with Naked City at the Saalfelden Jazz fest on 8/26/88.
 But they also played festivals in Europe a few months after that and Frith
was there, so I guess Kermit just filled in?  Or maybe 8/88 was around the
time Naked City first played live and Kermit was the first bassist..

[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 04:05:13 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Yes this is indeed a demo tape by Mr. Bungle.  I've heard it, but on a
intolerably bad bootleg.   I believe this was the first Bungle demo.   The
music is death metal mostly, at incredible speeds, with some ska, yet like
most Bungle it's all irreverent.  I 've read interviews with the band about
this period, and they said one of their main objectives with death metal
music was to piss people off and start fights.  Here's the list of tracks as
I have seen it:
Grizzly Adams
Anarchy Up Your Anus
Thighs of Death
Hypocrite
Evil Satan (which also appears on the Bowel of Chiley demo)
Bunglegrind
Raping

So, to answer your question, yes it is real.

On another note, has anybody heard David Shea's Tower of Mirrors? I'd like
some more info on that.

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:21:03 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

If this is the tape i'm thinking of, it was released by Ladd/Frith in the
mid-80s and is not a demo but a tape-only release.  The L/F label was one of
numerous cassette labels (aka home tapers, etc) that thrived then.

Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm

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