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From: "noise tape" <noisetape@hotmail.com> Subject: zorn videos Date: 02 Jul 2001 22:15:49 -0000 hi folks. i have some live zorn videos available for sale, inlcuding: *painkiller seattle, wa 5.4.95 = 90 mins painkiller the ritz, nyc 10.26.91 = 20 mins *w/ spy vs. spy. knitting factory, nyc. 93. = 120 mins *solo. knitting factory. 94. knitting factory, nyc. if you are interested or would like a complete list, please email me off list. thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: RE: zorn videos (well, not really...) Date: 02 Jul 2001 18:33:52 -0400 Hey, wow... does this mean that the Zornlist is fixed? Please say it's true. I had private e-conversations with two 'listers just within the last hour about how much we've missed the damn thing. Feels like I've been walking around with cultural blinders on... Bless you, Mr. Soulpatch, for all your hard work. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@browbeat.com (m. rizzi) Subject: zorn-list READ ME Date: 02 Jul 2001 15:50:15 -0700 (PDT) It's been over a week and it looks like our wonderful hosts at xmission.com have fixed the zorn-list software problem. We think. ;) In fact, this email to you all is a test message...if you don't see multiple copies of this message in your mailbox a few hours from now (3:48 PM PST Oakland, California), then assume the list is operating okay. THEN you can resume your incisive dialog. Thanks for your patience. mike rizzi p.s. for those of you that care, when the mulitple message copy problem was happening, I was receiving thousands of message bounces from servers all over the Internet. At its worst I was receiving about 5 MegaBytes of email every 2 minutes! It was nuts! -- rizzi@browbeat.com <-- NEW ADDRESS, rizzi@netcom.com is dead ! ----- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." -- Hunter S. Thompson - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: List health Date: 02 Jul 2001 18:46:18 -0400 (EDT) What actually happened? I unsubscribed when the messages were coming about 30 every 5 minutes. On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Steve Smith wrote: > Hey, wow... does this mean that the Zornlist is fixed? Please say it's > true. I had private e-conversations with two 'listers just within the last > hour about how much we've missed the damn thing. Feels like I've been > walking around with cultural blinders on... > > Bless you, Mr. Soulpatch, for all your hard work. > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > > > - > > ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Dave Douglas "Trilogy" Date: 02 Jul 2001 19:33:56 EDT Just got my copy from Bruce at DMG. While it may be premature to make a full-on recommendation, after one listen I can say that this disc is excellent. I'd only heard a portion of this music one time -- at a Trisha Brown/Dave Douglas performance last summer in Saratoga Spings -- and I was amazed at how well I remembered the melodies. This has nothing to do with the power of my sieve-like memory; it has everything to do with the power and eloquence of Dave's compositions. I'm assuming that many of the in the New York area or who do mail order with DMG already own this. What's the general opinion? Great to see the list up and running again, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: zorn videos (well, not really...) Date: 02 Jul 2001 16:39:36 -0700 On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:33:52 -0400 "Steve Smith" wrote: > > Hey, wow... does this mean that the Zornlist is fixed? Please say it's > true. I had private e-conversations with two 'listers just within the last > hour about how much we've missed the damn thing. Feels like I've been > walking around with cultural blinders on... > > Bless you, Mr. Soulpatch, for all your hard work. I guess it is time to start the serious job again! What about a list of your 100 top favorite songs? Or one, shorter, of your least favorite Masada records :-). Patrice. NP: AGOETIS BYRJUN: Sigur Ros NR: THE VIVISSECTOR: Patrick White - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Dave Douglas "Trilogy" Date: 02 Jul 2001 19:42:27 EDT if it's not common knowledge already, this is Douglas's new RCA CD, available exclusively for the next six months through DMG, then RCA is releasing it through normal channels. thanks to the kindness of Brian Olewnick, I recently heard the much acclaimed Terry Riley-You're Nogood, easily my favorite recording by him ever. I'm still not thrilled about spending 30-plus dollars for a 20 minute piece (plus another disc of Poppy Nogood, which I can live without). lame marketing, awesome music. it's very nice to see the list up and running again (assuming it is, and I don't see this fifty more times tonight.) Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: 100 of the world's best loved melodies, none of them by Masada Date: 02 Jul 2001 20:14:17 -0400 Alright, Patrice, now you're just tempting fate. Could you imagine *that* hitting your box 30 times in five minutes...? Plonk. Maybe it would be better if someone just guestimated the day that the list went whack, and then we could all mention the one or two greatest discoveries that we've missed sharing in that time? I know, it's dorky and sentimental. C'est moi. It would get things rolling again, anyway. And hey, Jon already started it with his Terry Riley plug... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Barney McAll, "Thirty Three," 'Release the Day' (Transparent) NR - Eduardo Galeano, 'Genesis' -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Patrice L. Roussel Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:40 PM Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com; proussel@ichips.intel.com I guess it is time to start the serious job again! What about a list of your 100 top favorite songs? Or one, shorter, of your least favorite Masada records :-). Patrice. NP: AGOETIS BYRJUN: Sigur Ros NR: THE VIVISSECTOR: Patrick White - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Howes" <mhowes@best.com> Subject: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 02 Jul 2001 17:40:19 -0700 I've listened to a number of improvers who play guitar. I've spent a LOT of time listening to Chadbourne, a good amount with E Sharp, not much time with Bailey and Frith. I'm trying to learn how to play guitar and really have two questions. 1. I don't know many guitar improvisers beyond who I listed. I know must other guitarists in other forms of music but not the improv world. Who should I check out beyond the above? 2. How did they learn what they know? I know that's a vague and broad question but right now it's hard to imagine practicing scales like I am and ending up where Chadbourne is. I did just pick up Bailey's book, "Improvisation" but haven't read it yet. mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" <KEITHMAR@email.msn.com> Subject: Warning: Zorn Content Date: 02 Jul 2001 17:54:40 -0700 I actually survived the hiatus listening to...............Zorn! What a concept. The recent Archery release. Such a gorgeous package and such sublime music. Oh yeah..... and many listenings to that Charizma Dr. Rev. Smith recommended. Sheer bliss. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" <KEITHMAR@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 02 Jul 2001 17:56:36 -0700 >>>it's hard to imagine practicing scales like I am and ending up where Chadbourne is.<<< To end up where Chadbourne is you must practice your scales and end up where Michael Howes is. You're the only one that can do it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" <KEITHMAR@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: zorn-list READ ME Date: 02 Jul 2001 17:58:24 -0700 Blessings upon Fr. Rizzi, the best list-owner on the planet. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 03 Jul 2001 11:31:03 +1000 > >>>it's hard to imagine practicing scales like I am and > ending up where Chadbourne is.<<< > > To end up where Chadbourne is you must practice your scales > and end up where Michael Howes is. You're the only one that > can do it. I don't think he necessarily wanted to sound like Chadbourne, but rather wondered how Chadbourne got where he's at... I've always thought that anything you do (scales, transcribing, learning bagpipes, playing in a Poison cover band) helps to shape your musical development, but in the end the most important thing is what you bring to it. Chadbourne may have practised exactly the same stuff as Scofield for all we know. I've never been too incredibly big on the 'improvising guitarist' front, but some other names that you didn't mention that you may be interested in: Henry Kaiser, Joe Morris, Marc Ducret... oh and of course Marc Ribot... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 02 Jul 2001 21:43:09 EDT In a message dated 7/2/01 8:56:33 PM, KEITHMAR@email.msn.com writes: << To end up where Chadbourne is you must practice your scales and end up where Michael Howes is. You're the only one that can do it. >> while I understand your sentiment, I'm not sure if practicing scales is the best way to emulate Chadbourne. I'd say just play all the time and see where you end up. anyone do A/B comparisons on the Neu reissues against the Germanofon bootlegs? I listened to a few minutes of Hallogallo and didn't hear much difference. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: ruins/little name thingies Date: 03 Jul 2001 11:47:16 +1000 Recently I ordered the Ruins album "Pallaschtom", partly due to an interest in hearing those medleys mentioned here on the Zorn list. Well, knowing my luck, I managed to get the version with only one (the classical) medley! Is there any chance the others are posted anywhere on the net, or that some kind soul could do so? PS.. I've always wondered why American musicians have those little names for their music (like Dave Douglas "Noenmity Music", Brad Shepik "Felijar Music", Marc Ribot "Knockwurst Music", etc.) - is there some sort of legal reason behind this or is it just a fun word game? We don't have it in Australia... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" <KEITHMAR@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 02 Jul 2001 19:04:46 -0700 >>>while I understand your sentiment, I'm not sure if practicing scales is the best way to emulate Chadbourne.<<< There was a compound verb in there, and it's much more than sentiment. It's the hardest thing anyone can do. That's why most of us are listening and promoting rather than 'emulating.' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gabriel Drummer <gabriel_drummer@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 02 Jul 2001 19:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Go back. Learn the basics. Know your instrument to the point where you can absolutely express yourself freely. Any musical idea you might have, you must be able to play. To achieve this, specially in an improvisational context, you should really focus in the development of your instrument. That means you should go back to Charlie Christian and from there on. Just to quote something Joey Baron said about playing free improvisational music: "to break the rules, you must know them first". If Joey says so... Good luck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they survived the Zorn list crash Date: 03 Jul 2001 02:57:58 -0000 >From: "Michael Howes" <mhowes@best.com> >I know must >other guitarists in other forms of music but not the improv world. Who >should I check out beyond the above? Sonny Sharrock & Hans Reichel... Good to see the list up again, I know I've been missing it, even though I've been going through a hellish move for the last 5(!) days...so no new discoveries to report except...we are renting a furnished place temporarily (until our new place is ready), and found an LP there (amongst a handful of typical classical discs) of Cathy Berberian called 'Revolution' containing all Beatles covers...I already knew her 'Ticket To Ride' from the MagnifiCathy collection, but a whole album of Maclen tunes, what bliss!!! np: Cathy Berberian 'I Want To Hold Your Hand' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DKuper9200@aol.com Subject: JZ's celebration of Ashbery Date: 02 Jul 2001 23:38:28 EDT Dear Friends, I have reproduced below an e-mail that I sent to Tzadik. Were any of you at this event? I would be interested in your comments. And if any of you liked this concert as much as I did, perhaps you also might want to put some pressure on Tzadik to record it. Sincerely, David K. John Zorn was one of the five composers on a program "Celebrating John Ashbery" at the Guggenheim Museum on May 13, 2001. Each composer had on the program a piece based on an Ashbery poem. I enjoyed the whole program very much, and inquired if there were any plans to record these five pieces. The answer was, only if a record company had the money and was clamoring for it. Could Tzadik be that company? If so, the person to contact is Howard, from the Group for Contemporary Music. His phone number is (212) 866-5798. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 02 Jul 2001 20:46:05 -0700 (PDT) --- Julian <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> wrote: > ...I've always thought that > anything you do (scales, transcribing, learning > bagpipes, playing in a > Poison cover band) helps to shape your musical > development, but in the end > the most important thing is what you bring to it... Well said. I'd include reading good books; listening intently to people talking and watching them move and interact (i.e. pull a Dostoevsky, 'cept don't follow people you don't know); study an apparently unrelated field; learn a really different activity (fixing automobiles, painting, shrub sculpture), and for god's sake watch lots of films. But of course, that's just a clutch of suggestions... It was kind of interesting for me to read Marc Ribot talking about breakthroughs on, or through, his instrument; he was talking about trying to play like like Eric Dolphy, the bizarre intervallic acrobatics, and I think he accidentally started to abuse his instrument to good effect with a metal pick. I wish I could find the quote, the interview is here, I think: http://www.jsps.com/stories/ribot1.shtml Also, interesting to hear Keith Rowe, who maybe isn't a "guitarist" anymore, but sure _plays_ the guitar, talk about not practicing (the WIRE interview, a few months ago). Something inside me was irritated by that comment, but what a novel, Occam's way to "start the day playing the guitar an entirely different way," or whatever Rowe once said. Pretty inspiring. -----s, a mere supplicant to Don Rizzi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: new tzadiks! Date: 03 Jul 2001 07:13:18 -0000 hey anyone had the chance to pick up the new Zorn and Frith releases on tzadik?? Seems like they might both be quite different from what both of them has been doing before, at least the Zorn one. How similiar is the Frith disc to his recent solo performances??? etc Oh, so many questions!!! Great to have the list back again. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari Hoste <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Steven Scott Date: 03 Jul 2001 10:46:07 +0200 And then the zorn-list came back to life, finally someone to ask my question at... :-) On the radio I heard somebody being enthusiastic about Steven Scott. Maybe he was mentioned in the "playing inside the piano" topic on this list sometime ago (can't remember)? Anyhow, is he worth checking out and if so, what recordings? Ari. np: Fred van Hove - Flux - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari Hoste <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: Steven Scott Date: 03 Jul 2001 10:57:59 +0200 > On the radio I heard somebody being enthusiastic about Steven Scott. euh... Stephen Scott!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com> Subject: Re: Stephen Scott Date: 03 Jul 2001 06:47:15 -0400 At 10:46 AM 7/3/01 +0200, Ari Hoste wrote: >On the radio I heard somebody being enthusiastic about Stephen Scott. Maybe >he was mentioned in the "playing inside the piano" topic on this list >sometime ago (can't remember)? Anyhow, is he worth checking out and if so, >what recordings? Definitely worth checking out. He took the bowed piano idea from a piece by Curtis Curtis-Smith (same place John Cage got the idea), and instead of writing solo work, wrote for a bowed piano ensemble, which is a bunch of people with rosined fishing lines inside *one* piano. I've got New Albion two albums of his (one's actually on vinyl), both recommended. Another congrats to Mike Rizzi -- I've missed the list as well. -- One day the United States discovered that it was an empire. But it didn't know what an empire was. It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations. -- Roberto Calasso Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt> Subject: to effren, Jazz em Agosto Date: 03 Jul 2001 12:03:35 +0100 (WET DST) Eih, Effren, finally i got the email you asked about ticket reservation and so on: it's cam.producao@gulbenkian.pt the site of the festival is at: http://www.jazzportugal.net/festivais/acarte/2001/index.html do you have a place to stay? i would recomend the youth hostel but it's better to make reservations, you know how is that time of the year (i could host you myself but probably am out of town :(((() greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gabriel Lichtmann" <la_lichuza@bancaria.net.ar> Subject: RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #486 Date: 03 Jul 2001 12:02:10 -0300 I hope this time is for real, I began to feel nervous and needed my fix. Welcome back Z-List. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: zorn videos Date: 04 Jul 2001 02:01:51 EDT --part1_11a.12e52a7.28740b4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/2/2001 6:18:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, noisetape@hotmail.com writes: > hi folks. i have some live zorn videos available for sale, inlcuding: > > *painkiller seattle, wa 5.4.95 = 90 mins > painkiller the ritz, nyc 10.26.91 = 20 mins > > *w/ spy vs. spy. knitting factory, nyc. 93. = 120 mins > > *solo. knitting factory. 94. knitting factory, nyc. > > if you are interested or would like a complete list, please email me off > list. thanks. hey d00d ... dont you feel the least bit bad about SELLING other peoples music and making money off them without their knowledge or approval ? If anyone really really wants some Zorn on video, email me, beg and plead, send a list also if u have one .... and i'll GIVE you some Zorn video. -Jody --part1_11a.12e52a7.28740b4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 7/2/2001 6:18:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>noisetape@hotmail.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">hi folks. i have some live zorn videos available for sale, inlcuding: <BR> <BR>*painkiller seattle, wa 5.4.95 = 90 mins <BR>painkiller the ritz, nyc 10.26.91 = 20 mins <BR> <BR>*w/ spy vs. spy. knitting factory, nyc. 93. = 120 mins <BR> <BR>*solo. knitting factory. 94. knitting factory, nyc. <BR> <BR>if you are interested or would like a complete list, please email me off <BR>list. thanks.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> <BR>hey d00d ... dont you feel the least bit bad about SELLING other peoples <BR>music and making money off them without their knowledge or approval ? <BR> <BR>If anyone really really wants some Zorn on video, email me, beg and plead, <BR>send a list also if u have one .... and i'll GIVE you some Zorn video. <BR> <BR>-Jody</FONT></HTML> --part1_11a.12e52a7.28740b4f_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: David Shea Date: 04 Jul 2001 08:56:44 +0200 Hi Folks, I┤ve seen there is a new Shea CD called Tryptich and released on Quatermass. Can someone give some insights? Is it solo? Thanks in advance. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Sad News for Radical Jewish Culture (Written Form) Date: 04 Jul 2001 10:18:27 +0200 (MET DST) The Montreal author Mordecai Richler has died at age 70. Too young. Easily Canada=B4s finest and funniest novelist ever. For folks on this list, I do believe a dip into his treasure trove of Philip Roth-like works would make excellent summer reading. His last (?) _Barney=B4s Version_, was just as goo= d as earlier works like _The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz_ and _St. Urbain=B4s Horseman_ and novels from the peak of his career like _Joshua The= n and Now_. You can read the news at <www.theglobeandmail.com>. Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Ume=E5 University SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Big Up Date: 04 Jul 2001 10:19:58 +0200 (MET DST) Highly recommended: DJ Logic, _The Anomaly_ (RopeaDope). Crazy funky sexy. Guest appearances by among others John Medeski and Vernon Reid. Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Ume=E5 University SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be> Subject: RE: David Shea Date: 04 Jul 2001 10:36:02 +0200 (CEST) > Hi Folks, >=20 > I=B4ve seen there is a new Shea CD called Tryptich and released on Quat= ermass.=20 > Can someone give some insights? Is it solo? Thanks in advance. >=20 Tryptich consists of 3 long pieces: one based on Indian mythology, a soundtrack-piece for a movie and shortened solo version of satyricon. It is a solo effort, although Shea uses many samples taken from=20 previous collaborations (Italian folk instruments, Ictus ensemble).=20 Each piece is a mix of his classical stuff, exotica, film-noir bits, weird sounds and a bit of dance, very much like the other=20 solo-record, "I".=20 Last month, Shea curated a five hour show on belgium radio in which he ta= lked about his main influences: Bollywood, Exotica, Orson Welles and ancient Greek/roman music. All of these you can find on this CD.=20 Only bad thing: a third of this CD is devoted to yet another version of satyricon. Although it is a completely new and refreshing impro, I would = have prefered all new music. YVes =20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Sad News for Radical Jewish Culture (Written Form) Date: 04 Jul 2001 09:17:53 -0400 I don't know if Zorn and Richler ever crossed paths during one of JZ's trips to Quebec, but I always thought they'd have a lot to say to each other. James Hale Jazz Journalist Ottawa Canada Stephen Fruitman wrote: > The Montreal author Mordecai Richler has died at age 70. Too young. Easily > Canada┤s finest and funniest novelist ever. For folks on this list, I do > believe a dip into his treasure trove of Philip Roth-like works would make > excellent summer reading. His last (?) _Barney┤s Version_, was just as good > as earlier works like _The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz_ and _St. > Urbain┤s Horseman_ and novels from the peak of his career like _Joshua Then > and Now_. You can read the news at <www.theglobeandmail.com>. > > Stephen Fruitman > Dept of Historical Studies > Umeσ University > SE-901 87 Umeσ Sweden > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Fwd: new tzadiks! Date: 04 Jul 2001 16:45:17 +0200 (CEST) > > anyone had the chance to pick up the new Zorn and > Frith releases on tzadik?? > I did hear the new Zorn and found no interest in it after a first contact. The computer compositions are just senseless noise IMHO. I couldn't say it's even hilarious or entertaining in some way. There was also a composition with a recitation that could be relatively highlightable. All in all, a dull Zorn's release. Boring and gratuitous and pretentious are the words that come to my mind. However, I'm looking forward to the Frith release. Sorry about that shallow piece of mind. Regards, EfrΘn _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicaci≤n instantßnea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what Date: 04 Jul 2001 12:52:44 -0700 > >>>it's hard to imagine practicing scales like I am and >ending up where Chadbourne is.<<< > >To end up where Chadbourne is you must practice your scales >and end up where Michael Howes is. You're the only one that >can do it. well that is what I meant....I don't want to be exactly like Chadbourne....or really like anybody.... Well after seeing The Ex live last week, I could die happy be able to do what they do. :) What I was sort of looking for was....are there different things/ways to practice other than doing my scales and scale patterns if I want to be able to improvise on the level of a Chadbourne. See as I continue to practice scales, for example, and get better at them, I seem to be betting closer to some wanker like Y Malmstein :) and thinks that how a lot of guitar players ended up the wankers they are....lie Satiani, Via, Malmstein and the bunch... ><< To end up where Chadbourne is you must practice your scales > >and end up where Michael Howes is. You're the only one that > >can do it. >> > >while I understand your sentiment, I'm not sure if practicing scales is the >best way to emulate Chadbourne. I'd say just play all the time and see where >you end up. Emulate might not be a good word here. Sure I'd probably like to be able to play some Chadbourne compositions. But more so there is a level of understanding of how to improvise that I'm having a hard time finding much info on. I'm hoping Bailey's book, "Improvisation" helps. Go back. Learn the basics. Know your instrument >to the point where you can absolutely express yourself >freely. well the good news is I don't have to "go back" since I'm ALREADY AT THE BEGINNING! :) mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 04 Jul 2001 20:07:18 -0000 >But more so there is a level of >understanding of how to improvise that I'm having a hard time finding much >info on. I'm hoping Bailey's book, "Improvisation" helps. It will. In fact, I'll just sum it up for you: JUST DO IT. That's the only way to get better. Great book, but I would follow it up with some interviews with Derek. His book is a bit academic (which Derek himself is absolutely not!), and it helps to hear him talk about these things in a more free way (pun not intended ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: gainesbourg novel, + Q by novice Date: 04 Jul 2001 16:18:06 EDT dear friends if this has been done to death here, please respond to me rather than the list. i have just split my sides reading serge gainesbourg's wickedly funny novel 'evguenie solokov' (sorry if i mangled the title, i already lent the book to my mom.) by the way, it's published by tamtam books, courtesy of one of our zornlist pals. so; i havent heard the zorn gainesbourg trib, and would like to know if it's all instrumental, or do any have texts/song/samples? i also, i naturally had to buy some gainebourg disques so i got the reggae one done with robbie and sly in 77, plus a 28track best of. natch, none include any lyrics, and my french hasnt been that good for 20 yrs already. does anyone have texts or a site with his lyrics? thanks steve koenig acousticLv@aol.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they Date: 05 Jul 2001 13:28:20 -0700 The fly in the ointment is always vocabulary. I checked out Beefheart like you'd never believe, and enjoyed every minute. But I could still never discern Bill Harkleroad's line of logic, and I can't play like that to save my life. I love it, tho. But it refuses to become part of my personal vocabulary. Some guys -- and I think Chadbourne is one of these -- are just born with a certain kind of inner-ear. I think that he was just born to play a ceratin way. As for his practicing scales, I don't really get the feeling that I'd like to hear him in a jazz group playing "Giant Steps". I don't get the feeling that's something he could really do. Robert Quine, on the other hand, seems to me to be more at home with the traditional literature. And, obviously, Frisell. A lot of guys like Chadbourne (and Beefheart) wind up designing contexts for the way they play, which is great to do, because I can't see where Chadbourne would shine so brightly other than where he shines. Anybody who doesn't think context matters should hear the Paul Bley record where Ornette plays "Klactoveedsedstene" (a Charlie Parker tune) very very badly. But the clue of someone who's taking a Bailey/Frith/Chadbourne etc tact is to design and build your own context. And I often doubt if that impulse can be learned as much as it is something to which one gravitates naturally. skip h np: aretha franklin -- young, gifted, and black - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@webmind.com> Subject: RE: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what theydo Date: 04 Jul 2001 17:17:28 -0400 Howdy ---- Some guys -- and I think Chadbourne is one of these -- are just born with a certain kind of inner-ear. I think that he was just born to play a ceratin way. As for his practicing scales, I don't really get the feeling that I'd like to hear him in a jazz group playing "Giant Steps". I don't get the feeling that's something he could really do. ---- For arguments sake... Dr. Chadbourne tears through some jazz standards with the Eddie Chatterbox Jazz group (I forget the albume name, I have a homemade chad copy of it in a chicken fingers box along with other Camper stuff). The group plays twisted versions of Mingus' "Nostalgia in Times Square", Monk's "Ask Me Now" and "Bolivar Ba-lues Are", a couple of Dolphy tunes (including "Out to Lunch"), "Milestones", and some others. The band includes the camper folks (Victor Krumenacher, Jonathon Segal, et al), Walter Mali on soprano sax, and Graham Connah on keys. I also dig his banjo/dobro renditions of Monk tunes, particularly Epistrophy with Tony Trishka on the album _Wild Partner_ (which also has full-blown improv insanityon tracks with Davey Williams) and Monk's Mood on _Strings_. On other albums he covers Herbie Nichols, Ornette, Coltrane, Ellington, Strayhorn, ... So these are all examples of Chad's playing in a more standard context, though he certainly has his own slant on the tunes. I think he's quite capable of playing in a straighter setting, it's just not his cup of tea... Jim M NP Haino Keiji - Aihiyo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: gainesbourg novel, + Q by novice Date: 04 Jul 2001 23:35:55 +0200 . > > >so; i havent heard the zorn gainesbourg trib, and would like to >know if it's all instrumental, or do any have texts/song/samples? > >Hi Steve, It's been a long time :). The Gainsbourg tribute is a wonderful album. Most of the covers feature vocals. I lent it but from the top of my head, I can just recall an MM&W instrumental version of "The intoxicated Man". There could be more. You should buy it. Really good. Probably the best of the three in the "Great Jewish Music" series - which, by the way, are not having continuity. Regards, EfrΘn n.p: Tiny Bell Trio "Live in Europe" n.r: J.P Sartre "La NausΘe" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Letucepry@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #486 Date: 04 Jul 2001 18:57:42 EDT hey, anyone got any recommendations for Dresden Germany, Or Berlin or Prague, for that matter, I'm currently on a very long business trip and would appreciate any info on clubs, bands etc. and I don't mean techno remixes of cheezy 80's pop songs, etc, as I am posting this on the Zorn list..... thanks djmushmush - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: FW: gainesbourg novel, + Q by novice Date: 05 Jul 2001 01:16:51 +0200 ---------- Hi Steve, > so; i havent heard the zorn gainesbourg trib, and would like to > know if it's all instrumental, or do any have texts/song/samples? the tribute contains 21 songs, all sung. the song zorn did is even completely a capella (very funny!!; it's the only gainsbourg song on this c= d i didn't know the original version from, but it seems to be a song he wrote for brigitte bardot!) > i also, i naturally had to buy some gainebourg disques so i got the > reggae one done with robbie and sly in 77, plus a 28track best of. > natch, none include any lyrics, and my french hasnt been that good > for 20 yrs already. does anyone have texts or a site with his lyrics? i once dicovered a website with gainsbourg lyrics, but it doesn't exist anymore due to copyright problems, don't know about another one... although i like his reggae work, i don't think it's the best he did. i woul= d suggest "l'histoire de melody nelson", "du jazz dans le ravin" or "l'homme = =E0 t=EAte de choux"; or go for one of the very good and cheap compilations! Ari. np: the best of john barry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Case Sinclair" <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> Subject: Reviews of Maldoror (Ipecac) Date: 05 Jul 2001 16:58:57 +0930 Hi all, Referring to the Mike Patton/Masami Akita project "Maldoror : She" on Ipecac I just got a chance to listen to Maldoror and a few other Patton projects that had been gathering dust, and I wondered if anyone had see and reviews, or more importantly any interviews with either Mike or Masami about it. I guess I am wondering if there was indeed any real "story" behind the album, or weather is was just them getting together to "fuck shit up". I have tried to reason with the artwork and the sounds, but cant really come to any conclusions about it. Anyone got any insight into this album they wish to share? Case NP: Kent: Hagnesta Hill - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Monk? Date: 05 Jul 2001 10:01:44 +0200 Hi y'all... After reading the Zorn interview again in Duckworth's "Talking Music" I thought I should once again delve a bit more into Thelonious Monk. So what do you boys and girls think is essential Monk? I remember hearing some stuff at a friend's place years ago that I liked; and I've got a CD that has some good stuff on it. Must say I prefer the pieces that don't have wind instruments. Suggestions welcome. patRice np: Morcheeba, Fragments Of Freedom nr: Ryunosuke Akutagawa, Rashomon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de> Subject: E# Sharp at mp3.com Date: 05 Jul 2001 11:23:17 +0200 I just came across some mp3s of elliott sharp at mp3.com. two unreleased parts of his composition "syndakit" and a few tracks released on the "Ir/Rational Music" cassettes. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/260/elliott_sharp.html maybe someone is interested in that... PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://nav.to/timblech - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "john rust" <johnrust@blinx.de> Subject: Re: gainsbourg novel+M. Harvey question Date: 05 Jul 2001 12:34:30 +0200 >i have just split my sides reading serge gainesbourg's wickedly funny >novel 'evguenie solokov' (sorry if i mangled the title, i already >lent the book to my mom.) >by the way, it's published by tamtam books, courtesy of one >of our zornlist pals. Is that true? Is it the the English translation and if yes, is the book still available? I'll be grateful for every answer, thanks in advance, yuriy And BTW, what's the opinion of the z-list about those two Mick Harvey-Gainsbourg Tributes?.. I can't remember anyone mentioning them during the Gainsbourg-threads... And waht about the recent "I Love Serge"- Remixes project? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julien Quint <julien.quint@imag.fr> Subject: Re: gainsbourg novel+M. Harvey question Date: 05 Jul 2001 13:00:33 +0200 Le Jeudi 05 Juillet 2001 12:34, john rust a ?crit : > And BTW, what's the opinion of the z-list about those two Mick > Harvey-Gainsbourg Tributes?.. I can't remember anyone mentioning them > during the Gainsbourg-threads... And waht about the recent "I Love Serge"- > Remixes project? Don't know about the Mick Harvey tributes, but avoid the remix project, it's just opportunistic crap by bad house producers. Julien - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@webmind.com> Subject: RE: Monk? Date: 05 Jul 2001 10:32:24 -0400 2 of my fav (non wind instrument) monk albums: Thelonious Monk plays Duke Ellington (Riverside) Solo Monk (Columbia) Other favorites: Brilliant Corners (Riverside) with Sonny Rollins and Max Roach Criss-Cross (Columbia) (Has some tracks with Charlie Rouse on sax, some just piano trio) Jim -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of patRice Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:02 AM Hi y'all... After reading the Zorn interview again in Duckworth's "Talking Music" I thought I should once again delve a bit more into Thelonious Monk. So what do you boys and girls think is essential Monk? I remember hearing some stuff at a friend's place years ago that I liked; and I've got a CD that has some good stuff on it. Must say I prefer the pieces that don't have wind instruments. Suggestions welcome. patRice np: Morcheeba, Fragments Of Freedom nr: Ryunosuke Akutagawa, Rashomon - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com> Subject: Re: Monk? Date: 05 Jul 2001 11:11:52 -0700 At 10:01 AM +0200 7/5/01, patRice wrote: > >So what do you boys and girls think is essential Monk? > >Must say I >prefer the pieces that don't have wind instruments. For my money, you can't go wrong with most of the Riverside stuff. In fact, I bought the 15-CD Riverside box stuff. For single discs, I'll second _Brilliant Corners_ with a resounding amen. Monk liked brass, but if you want to avoid it, check out _Thelonious: Himself_, which is solo piano versions of some brilliantly Monkified covers and great originals...and Coltrane shows up for a glorious "Monk's Mood." If you can make an exception on the horns, check out the great Town Hall concert, with an expanded brass section and lush, glorious arrangements. HTH, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: FW: gainesbourg novel, + Q by novice Date: 05 Jul 2001 08:19:30 -0700 On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 01:16:51 +0200 Ari wrote: > > np: the best of john barry Does it include Jane Birkin? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "in.out" <in.out@wanadoo.fr> Subject: mmmw + harriet Tubman trio tomorow in Viennes (France) (NZC) Date: 05 Jul 2001 18:27:21 +0200 Hi, For those who are in the area, Jazz =E0 Viennes (close to Lyon in France) is proposing tomorow night (6th of july), a New York night with Medeski- Martin & Wood and Harriet Tubman trio with this line up : Graham Haynes (tp), Brandon Ross (g), Melvin Gibbs (b), J=2ET=2E Lewis (dms)= , DJ Singe (platines), DJ Val (platines), Moreno Veloso (voc, g)=2E More info http://www=2Ejazzavienne=2Ecom/ in/out staff - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: guitar playing. Date: 05 Jul 2001 12:46:58 EDT --part1_46.17249823.2875f402_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the most important thing is to play what you feel. learn formalities only when they interest you, but it certainly might be of some benefit to learn them at some point. however, i don't believe that there are any true rules...the guitar is a machine that produces sound. begin to explore the possibilities of the guitar and the multitudes of sound it can create. owing to digital/analog effects, multiple repeats of notes, alternate tunings, "preparations", etc., the guitar is probably one of the most timbrally diverse instruments. tom herman (from pere ubu) told me, when i asked him a similar question, to "speak [when playing the guitar] in phrases. use the phrasing of the sounds of things you hear, busses, people talking, etc." this idea is important in that shows the necessity for presenting thoughts, ideas in your playing....not just playing someone else's version of improv. explore the "phrasing" of everyday life. whatever aspects of it that interest YOU. on the subject of current thoughts in improvisation, there are really a few different ways to look at it: 1. straight-up jazz improvising. in other words, memorization and then using that which you have learned (scales, patterns, modes, (jazz) licks, etc.) to create new and inventive melodies spontaneously. this is the fundamental idea behind straight modern jazz improv. of course, to quote jimi tenor, "what is jazz, anyway?" 2. "Free" improv. take it at face value...i am sure you have heard plenty of this free music. i suggest reading this: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/fulltext/mbailin2.html the reason i am relatively hesitant to tell you specific techniques and strategies is because i feel i eventually arrived at playing in this manner intrinsically...and you probably will too. don't force yourself to play stuff because it is advanced, or new, or avant-garde. it will force you into an idiom that you probably won't enjoy. just allow things to come as they come. just play and play and play and listen to ALL FORMS of improvised music....your natural inclinations toward playing will eventually begin to appear. hope this helps. ben o. nr- genet "funeral rites" np- bugge wesseltoft "moving" --part1_46.17249823.2875f402_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>the most important thing is to play what you feel. <BR>learn formalities only when they interest you, but it certainly might be of <BR>some benefit to learn them at some point. however, i don't believe that <BR>there are any true rules...the guitar is a machine that produces sound. begin <BR>to explore the possibilities of the guitar and the multitudes of sound it can <BR>create. owing to digital/analog effects, multiple repeats of notes, alternate <BR>tunings, "preparations", etc., the guitar is probably one of the most <BR>timbrally diverse instruments. <BR> <BR> tom herman (from pere ubu) told me, when i asked him a similar question, to <BR>"speak [when playing the guitar] in phrases. use the phrasing of the sounds <BR>of things you hear, busses, people talking, etc." this idea is important in <BR>that shows the necessity for presenting thoughts, ideas in your <BR>playing....not just playing someone else's version of improv. explore the <BR>"phrasing" of everyday life. whatever aspects of it that interest YOU. <BR> <BR>on the subject of current thoughts in improvisation, there are really a few <BR>different ways to look at it: <BR> <BR>1. straight-up jazz improvising. in other words, memorization and then using <BR>that which you have learned (scales, patterns, modes, (jazz) licks, etc.) to <BR>create new and inventive melodies spontaneously. this is the fundamental idea <BR>behind straight modern jazz improv. of course, to quote jimi tenor, "what is <BR>jazz, anyway?" <BR> <BR>2. "Free" improv. take it at face value...i am sure you have heard plenty of <BR>this free music. i suggest reading this: <BR> http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/fulltext/mbailin2.html <BR> <BR>the reason i am relatively hesitant to tell you specific techniques and <BR>strategies is because i feel i eventually arrived at playing in this manner <BR>intrinsically...and you probably will too. don't force yourself to play stuff <BR>because it is advanced, or new, or avant-garde. it will force you into an <BR>idiom that you probably won't enjoy. just allow things to come as they come. <BR>just play and play and play and listen to ALL FORMS of improvised <BR>music....your natural inclinations toward playing will eventually begin to <BR>appear. <BR> <BR>hope this helps. <BR> <BR>ben o. <BR> <BR>nr- genet "funeral rites" <BR>np- bugge wesseltoft "moving"</FONT></HTML> --part1_46.17249823.2875f402_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Monk? Date: 06 Jul 2001 09:51:27 -0700 > At 10:01 AM +0200 7/5/01, patRice wrote: >>=20 >> So what do you boys and girls think is essential Monk? Must as I could get me head chopped off for this, I recommend the Columbia stuff first and foremost, because I think that quartet really g=F8t those tunes just right. Also, THE UNIQUE THELONIOUS MONK, a trio LP on Riverside, is mindbendingly great. I have pretty much all of Monk, so I can tell you this much -- getting into Monk is something you kind of do heavily when you first get around to it. So I'd almost say to just buy anything, because there's so little bad Monk. skip heller np: monk -- criss cross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: did I miss something? Date: 06 Jul 2001 09:55:11 -0700 I was out of town, but I thought I saw all my email. Is is possible that the death of Joe Henderson aroused no commentary from a group that is supposed to be concerned with improvising? skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saleski <marks@foliage.com> Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 05 Jul 2001 13:08:35 -0400 there are some interesting books out there on improvisation (aside from Bailey's): i haven't picked up either of these in a long time but remember liking them a lot: The Inner Game of Music The Listening Book it seems to me that some of this is a matter of having 'big ears'. there are times when i play where i can hear a single interval, or maybe even a single note...and all sorts of possibilities just pop into my head. some of it just comes from years and years of listening to all sorts of music, not just free-improv-type stuff. -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com "Is it so wrong, wanting to be at home with your record collection?" - Nick Hornby - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dwayne <thehodgsons@home.com> Subject: Re: Monk? Date: 05 Jul 2001 13:32:43 -0400 Must have for any Monk fan(s) are the solo Black Lion sessions, some of the best Monk I've heard. It's Monk's Time is a nice Columbia lp from '63, I think, with mostly originals which is odd for Monk. Usually he re-recorded a lot of his stuff. -Dwayne patRice wrote: > > Hi y'all... > > After reading the Zorn interview again in Duckworth's "Talking Music" I > thought I should once again delve a bit more into Thelonious Monk. > > So what do you boys and girls think is essential Monk? > > I remember hearing some stuff at a friend's place years ago that I > liked; and I've got a CD that has some good stuff on it. Must say I > prefer the pieces that don't have wind instruments. > > Suggestions welcome. > > patRice > > np: Morcheeba, Fragments Of Freedom > nr: Ryunosuke Akutagawa, Rashomon > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: did I miss something? Date: 05 Jul 2001 10:42:02 -0700 At 9:55 AM 7/6/01, Skip Heller wrote: >I was out of town, but I thought I saw all my email. Is is possible that >the death of Joe Henderson aroused no commentary from a group that is >supposed to be concerned with improvising? > >skip h Oh my god, I hadn't heard that anywhere yet. What a terrible loss, he was an amazing musician. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Improvising guitarists and how they learn how to do what they do Date: 05 Jul 2001 10:47:28 -0700 At 1:08 PM 7/5/01, Mark Saleski wrote: >there are some interesting books out there on improvisation (aside from >Bailey's): > >i haven't picked up either of these in a long time but remember liking >them a lot: > >The Inner Game of Music >The Listening Book > Another book I like a lot is Creative Improvisation, by Roger Dean (Open University Press 1989). I have no idea if it's still in print, probably not, but it offers a collection of really interesting listening and interaction exercises that I found pretty valuable at the time. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: oTo T22 mp3 sample Date: 05 Jul 2001 19:03:15 +0100 (BST) oTo T22 - Michael Gillham A wonderful swarm of guitar drones. Like being a grub eating honey in your hexagonal cell and listening to the rest of the hive go about the day. Mp3 sample http://www.fencingflatworm.cjb.net Guitar? ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: gainesbourg novel, + Q by novice Date: 05 Jul 2001 21:53:52 +0200 >> np: the best of john barry > > Does it include Jane Birkin? ?? euh... no, i don't think jb ever worked with jb, did (s)he? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: gainesbourg novel, + Q by novice Date: 05 Jul 2001 12:56:59 -0700 On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:53:52 +0200 Ari wrote: > > > >> np: the best of john barry > > > > Does it include Jane Birkin? > > ?? euh... no, i don't think jb ever worked with jb, did (s)he? Weren't they married? Or am I confusing with another soundrack English composer... Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Reviews of Maldoror (Ipecac) Date: 05 Jul 2001 15:56:07 -0400 Have you read the novel by the same name? If you haven't, the logic of the album will escape you. It was intended to be loosely a musical interpretation of the work. The novel has a twisted logic (actually the lack of logic becomes it's logic) of its own. I definite must read even for non-Patton Fans. Surrealist literature at its most beautiful. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com> Subject: Chadbourne Date: 05 Jul 2001 16:33:11 -0500 Skip Heller wrote: >Some guys -- and I think Chadbourne is one of these -- are just born with a >certain kind of inner-ear. I think that he was just born to play a ceratin >way. As for his practicing scales, I don't really get the feeling that I'd >like to hear him in a jazz group playing "Giant Steps". I don't get the >feeling that's something he could really do. Robert Quine, on the other >hand, seems to me to be more at home with the traditional literature. And, >obviously, Frisell. > >A lot of guys like Chadbourne (and Beefheart) wind up designing contexts for >the way they play, which is great to do, because I can't see where >Chadbourne would shine so brightly other than where he shines. Anybody who >doesn't think context matters should hear the Paul Bley record where Ornette >plays "Klactoveedsedstene" (a Charlie Parker tune) very very badly. But the >clue of someone who's taking a Bailey/Frith/Chadbourne etc tact is to design >and build your own context. And I often doubt if that impulse can be >learned as much as it is something to which one gravitates naturally. > I'm not sure exactly where Skip is drawing this line, but Chadbourne can play changes very well, as his solo recordings (I have them on cassette, but they may now be available on CD) released as the Eddie Chatterbox sessions show (as do several other scattered recordings). However, he doesn't seem to be interested in playing jazz idiomatically and on the rare occasions I've heard him live or on record with "real" jazz musicians, that's not a style in which the ensemble stays for very long. This is probably what Skip is talking about in terms of inner ear, though I'd use this term to describe something more along the lines of harmonic sensitivity, which I think Chadbourne has lots of. His situation, and that of many other musicians who might fit into Skip's category, seems to me to be more related to a lack of an idiomatic time feel, which may be a conscious decision as often as the innate situations that Skip describes. Most of the situations in which Chadbourne plays what someone else referred to as "twisted" versions of standards are examples of folks who don't play jazz idiomatically using jazz tunes as a context for improvising using a very different vocabulary of schticks. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy Mappings on Antenna Internet Radio http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/ mappings@antennaradio.com Mappings P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Chadbourne Date: 06 Jul 2001 14:48:14 -0700 > I'm not sure exactly where Skip is drawing this line, but Chadbourne > can play changes very well, as his solo recordings (I have them on > cassette, but they may now be available on CD) released as the Eddie > Chatterbox sessions show (as do several other scattered recordings). My experiences hearing Chadbourne play changes have nothing to do with whether or not he can do it well -- he can certainly approximate the approach admirably -- but it always sounds to me (emph. TO ME) like someone speaking a translation and not his first language. > > However, he doesn't seem to be interested in playing jazz > idiomatically and on the rare occasions I've heard him live or on > record with "real" jazz musicians, that's not a style in which the > ensemble stays for very long. > > This is probably what Skip is talking about in terms of inner ear, > though I'd use this term to describe something more along the lines > of harmonic sensitivity, which I think Chadbourne has lots of. I would never say something so ill-founded as Chadbourne lacks any kind of musical sensitivity. Ever. Ornette Coleman, yes. Chadbourne, never. His > situation, and that of many other musicians who might fit into Skip's > category, seems to me to be more related to a lack of an idiomatic > time feel, which may be a conscious decision as often as the innate > situations that Skip describes. Either way, to pursue that kind of idiomatic time defiance requires an aggressive step. > > Most of the situations in which Chadbourne plays what someone else > referred to as "twisted" versions of standards are examples of folks > who don't play jazz idiomatically using jazz tunes as a context for > improvising using a very different vocabulary of schticks. You want a twisted take on a jazz standard, check out Monk's version of "Honeysuckle Rose". Twisted is great, when it's done well (ie Marc Ribot's "I Should Care" is a yes, but his "Wind Cries Mary" doesn't thrill me). > skip h np: cannonball adderley -- country preacher (not one of his best) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: birkin's marriages Date: 06 Jul 2001 00:12:40 +0200 on 05-07-2001 22:16, Patrice L. Roussel at proussel@ichips.intel.com wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:11:34 +0200 Ari wrote: >> >> i only know she was married to gainsbourg, who became gainsbarre after she >> left him, but i don't think she went to barry then... > > She was married to Barry before (unless I am confusing...). > no, you're right! i didn't know this (but therefore this list exists, isn't it??) and did they record together? ari - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump <william@steno.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 05 Jul 2001 15:25:04 -0700 My VERY subjective take on free improvisors involves a word that is passing from one usage to another, and I hope that nobody thinks I mean this in a pejorative sense, because I don't. Improvisors have to be able to get their freak on, so to speak, at a moment's notice -- not to BE that freak, but to be able to channel their inner freak whenever. It seems to me that it must be like having multiple personalities, and at least one of those personalities speaks a language called "Chadbourne Freak" or "Zorn Freak" or "Bailey Freak" or whatever. Speaking Freak outside a musical context makes it difficult to get by -- imagine trying to buy a candy bar and a coke at the Stop'n'Rob and being able only to speak in Phil Minton Freak. But when two or more improvisors get together and speak to each other in their own dialect of Freak, and suddenly realize that the language can involve a degree of telepathy (like Delany's Babel-17?), it's a beautiful thing. So the improvisor has to nurture his or her own inner freak, and always have that portion awake and watching/listening, to pick up interesting sights and sounds that can be turned around into new words and phrases in their own dialect of Freak. I've read that someone who is very fluent in a second language sometimes finds themselves thinking in that language. Imagine thinking in Freak! I suspect that folks like Evan Parker, Bailey, Chadbourne, etc., who've been encouraged and even PAID to speak in Freak on a stage must think in Freak as often as they do in English or whatever their birth tongue is. Again, I don't want folks thinking that I mean Freak in the Tod Browning sideshow sense. I'm just playing off of the phrase "he got his freak on," because that's what I think free-improvisors do. So, to get back to the guy who's learning the guitar, I think you could cultivate and nurture the improvisor in you by letting it tell you what the language "Michael Howes Freak" sounds like -- vocuabulary, accent, squeaky or growly voice, etc. The dangers in this split personality business are pretty obvious, but the benefits are too, for zornlisters and anyone else who's heard Evan Parker go for a half hour without seeming to take a breath. whew! he said pretentiously William Crump - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: birkin's marriages Date: 05 Jul 2001 15:25:42 -0700 On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:12:40 +0200 Ari wrote: > > no, you're right! i didn't know this (but therefore this list exists, isn't > it??) and did they record together? Not to my knowledge (my comment was of a humoristic nature). Patrice. NP: DOUBLE-WASH: Marchetti, Voice Crack, Noetinger (Grob) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: birkin's marriages Date: 06 Jul 2001 00:35:41 +0200 >>=20 >> no, you're right! i didn't know this (but therefore this list exists, is= n't >> it??) and did they record together? >=20 > Not to my knowledge (my comment was of a humoristic nature). >=20 ok, but as they were married, it could've been... "mon nom est bond, james bond 069, l'homme =E9rotique" np: JS Bach violoncello solo suites I-VI (played by paolo beschi, one of my favourites) ari - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 05 Jul 2001 18:48:14 -0400 It's been a long while since I read Graham Lock's Forces In Motion, but doesn't Braxton refer to this as developing a language? David Beardsley ----- Original Message ----- >It seems to me that it must be > like having multiple personalities, and at least one of those personalities > speaks a language called "Chadbourne Freak" or "Zorn Freak" or "Bailey Freak" > or whatever. Speaking Freak outside a musical context makes it difficult to > get by -- imagine trying to buy a candy bar and a coke at the Stop'n'Rob and > being able only to speak in Phil Minton Freak. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump <william@steno.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 05 Jul 2001 15:56:50 -0700 I suspected, during the writing, that I was going to be repeating an existing theory. I haven't read the Graham Lock book, but I do recall Zorn (in the Book of Heads liner notes) referring to the etudes as being in a language that only he understood and which nobody spoke (or something like that). I like the idea of each improvisor speaking a different dialect of it. And as with any other language, some people are more articulate than others. Some are as eloquent as Disraeli, some just grunt and point. (Which can be interesting in itself sometimes.) Wm. Crump David Beardsley wrote: > It's been a long while since I read Graham Lock's Forces In Motion, > but doesn't Braxton refer to this as developing a language? > > David Beardsley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Crump <william@steno.com> > > >It seems to me that it must be > > like having multiple personalities, and at least one of those > personalities > > speaks a language called "Chadbourne Freak" or "Zorn Freak" or "Bailey > Freak" > > or whatever. Speaking Freak outside a musical context makes it difficult > to > > get by -- imagine trying to buy a candy bar and a coke at the Stop'n'Rob > and > > being able only to speak in Phil Minton Freak. > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 05 Jul 2001 20:01:49 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, William Crump wrote: > I do recall Zorn (in the Book of Heads liner notes) referring to the > etudes as being in a language that only he understood and which nobody > spoke (or something like that). > David Beardsley wrote: > > > It's been a long while since I read Graham Lock's Forces In Motion, > > but doesn't Braxton refer to this as developing a language? Sorry to not have read the book either, but this metaphor of each personal idiom being a different language seems a little strained at the point where Zorn takes it to. I mean, how can it still be a language if only one person understands it? I think fundamentally a language is something that doesn't belong to a person, but to a group. We may hear Chadbourne warping tunes or Zorn blowing duck and reed strawberries, but they've come to those sounds through a long history of practice, research and give and take. It certainly makes sense to me to say that they extend an existing language though, incrementally or by breakthrough. I know it may sound like a meandering distinction to say there's a difference between saying something new in a language that's around, and extending a language that's around so that new things can be said in it. But i think the first is like practicing licks and scales and becoming fluent enough with them to make your own idiom (Zappa), and the second is like figuring out that putting metal 16mm film canister on the strings of the guitar on your lap and dropping little beads onto it can make sounds that are musical (Frith). Any great improviser does both. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 00:32:42 If you want to read a book about this stuff and are thinking of Chadbourne in particular, I would read his "I Hate the Man That Runs this Bar." It's mostly about surviving and "making it" (a relative term) as a musician, but it says some stuff about his way of playing the guitar. If I remember correctly. It costs like $30 bucks, but it's still one of my better Chadbourne-related purchases in relatively recent times (just considering the very iffy quality level of so much stuff he has released, esp. lately ... ugh). But if you want to talk about improvising that is influenced by guitar shredders (Steve Vai, Eddie Van Halen, etc.) as I think someone mentioned, there is always Trey Azagthoth of Morbid Angel! His solos are completely nuts (and, unless I am sorely mistaken, not written out), and a lot more interesting than much "free improv" guitar -- why is it that improv guitar is so often equated with sticking a piece of plastic or whatever in your strings and avoiding notes or melodies, just using "extended techniques"?? On this note, I guess Hans Reichel is someone good to listen to (or did someone already mention him) ... WY (who thinks permits should be required for table- and lap-top guitar at this stage in the game) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" <Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com> Subject: monk Date: 05 Jul 2001 17:37:54 -0700 i'd have to agree -- monk didn't record much that i don't enjoy. the greatest monk afficionado, steve lacy, has said that monk had lost it by the time he signed with columbia. indeed, he did all but stop writing new songs, and he didn't seem to be seeking out fresh niches of his inner sanctum as ambitiously as in the '50s. and the 15CD complete riverside, recorded in the '50s, is the most stunning collection i've yet to confront. that said, i really enjoy the comubia stuff. charlie rouse suits monk well. monk seems to be exploring a different part of his subconscious, dropping more stylistic references to predecessors (anybody else hear the basie?). and i have one black lion, "the man i love," a trio that's emotive and gorgeous.... i just got the new threeCD columbia, which includes previously released and unreleased + whole original versions of songs originally spliced from several takes. no songs are played twice. nice blend of solo, big band and small group. compiled by orrin keepnews with extensive notes by would-be monk biographer peter keepnews (he's been working on his bio for more than a decade!). very nice set. Martin np. Biosphere - Substrata - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com> Subject: New Music in RealAudio Date: 05 Jul 2001 10:23:01 -0500 Hi y'all, This week on Mappings <http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/>, I've put together a feature on Meredith Monk including many recordings of works from the early 1970s through the late 1990s. The show went online Monday evening around 10:00 PM (-0800 GMT) and will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program (featuring music by Joseph Celli, Chaya Czernowin, Jin Hi Kim, Mary Jane Leach, the London Improvisers Orchestra, Phill Niblock, Vincent Plush, James Tenney, and Lois V Vierk) is still available in the Mappings archive <http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index1.htm>, where you can also find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998. Hope you tune in to the program. Bests, Herb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FJG_Lamerikx <flamerik@best.ms.philips.com> Subject: Re: Reviews of Maldoror (Ipecac) Date: 06 Jul 2001 08:38:17 +0200 > Have you read the novel by the same name? If you haven't, the logic of the > album will escape you. It was intended to be loosely a musical > interpretation of the work. The novel has a twisted logic (actually the > lack of logic becomes it's logic) of its own. I definite must read even for > non-Patton Fans. Surrealist literature at its most beautiful. Apparently, you are referring to Comte de Lautreamont's "Les chants de Maldoror". Note, however, that the album title refers to another novel, H. Rider Haggard's "She". Furthermore, there are (as always) a number of references to movie titles, such as "Twitch of the Death Nerve" and "The Conqueror Worm" (funny how Patton always chooses the English or even the American titles, when he speaks Italian perfectly...). I am saying this to illustrate my opinion that the album does not follow the novel at all. Of course, it could be expected that, sooner or later, someone like Zorn, Patton, or Masami Akita would use the Maldoror name in whatever context - I bet you that one of these people will use the name Melmoth, too, some day. (Note that there is a historical line from Melmoth to Maldoror to Fantomas to Diabolik). Anyway, the album is just another example of postmodern quoting of references for the sake of quoting references. The only logic is the logic of postmodernism itself. Suffice it to say that I think the "She" album is neither a highlight in Patton's nor in Masami Akita's catalogue. I would agree that "Maldoror" is a must-read, but it is only surrealist literature in the sense that the later surrealists embraced it and declared Lautreamont a surrealist avant-la-lettre. Nowadays, companies like Microsoft get sued for such appropriating tactics... Frankco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: fantomas - director's cut Date: 06 Jul 2001 02:55:24 EDT i just picked this album up, i actually found it for $1.99 at a used cd store in boston, and i was wondering what other people thought of it - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Kargatis / Anne Larson" <lartis@ath.forthnet.gr> Subject: nickelsdorf query Date: 06 Jul 2001 11:48:45 +0300 I see that Konfrontationen (www.konfrontationen.at) in Nickelsdorf Austria 20-22 July has a pretty enticing festival lineup. Anybody already planning on going? Know anything about Nickelsdorf (lodging, venue info, etc)? -- Vincent Kargatis NP: Billy Harper - "Thine Is the Glory" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Fwd: fantomas - director's cut Date: 06 Jul 2001 10:48:06 +0200 (CEST) > i just picked this album up, i actually found it for > $1.99 at a used cd store > in boston, and i was wondering what other people > thought of it Don't know about the album yet. But I'll be glad to let you know how this material sounds live! They're presenting "The Director's Cut" in Barcelona next Wednesday 11. I have a tape of their first concert in San Francisco and it's just incredible. Greetings, EfrΘn del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicaci≤n instantßnea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: nickelsdorf query Date: 06 Jul 2001 05:03:38 EDT In a message dated 7/6/01 4:49:32 AM, lartis@ath.forthnet.gr writes: << I see that Konfrontationen (www.konfrontationen.at) in Nickelsdorf Austria 20-22 July has a pretty enticing festival lineup. Anybody already planning on going? Know anything about Nickelsdorf (lodging, venue info, etc)? >> the promoter is Hans Falb (jazzgalerie@xpoint.at), who I'm sure would be happy to answer any questions you have. if you go, I expect a full report on the Dafeldecker/Hautzinger/Tilbury/Sachiko quartet. I can't even come close to hearing that one in my head. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: nickelsdorf query Date: 06 Jul 2001 11:35:36 +0200 >I see that Konfrontationen (www.konfrontationen.at) in Nickelsdorf Austria >20-22 July has a pretty enticing festival lineup. Anybody already planning >on going? Know anything about Nickelsdorf (lodging, venue info, etc)? I┤ll be there as every year. It┤s something like a family meeting of the european free music scene. The atmosphere is great. Lodging is a little bit difficult due to a lack of hotels. I┤ll take my tent... See you there! Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 11:54:36 +0200 >From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> > >On this note, I guess Hans Reichel is someone good to listen to (or did >someone already mention him) ... Reichel is a good recommendation, but in fact he doesn┤t play guitar anymore, but his homemade daxophone. He┤s trying to establish it as a serious instrument. I think his guitar playing was much more interesting. Andreas np: Elliott Sharp Terraplane - Blues For Next (Knit) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gabriel Drummer <gabriel_drummer@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: did I miss something? Date: 06 Jul 2001 04:01:07 -0700 (PDT) First Billy Higgins and last saturday, Joe Henderson. That's two big time bad news for an entire year. Let his soul rest in peace. np: McCoy Tyner "The real McCoy" (with Joe Henderon, Ron Carter and Elvin Jones) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> Subject: fred frith - clearing Date: 06 Jul 2001 06:33:55 -0700 (PDT) --0-123914582-994426435=:59761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone on the list have this CD? If so, e-mail me privately, a review... I've been trying to get a copy, but every place on the web seems to be "out of stock"... The Tzadik site isn't working - I can't get anything to appear in the shopping cart... -Theo Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-123914582-994426435=:59761 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P> Does anyone on the list have this CD? If so, e-mail me privately, a review... I've been trying to get a copy, but every place on the web seems to be "out of stock"... The Tzadik site isn't working - I can't get anything to appear in the shopping cart... </P> <P>-Theo</P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year!<BR><a href="http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=tagline">http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/</a> --0-123914582-994426435=:59761-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: bill laswell/ talvin singh Date: 06 Jul 2001 09:53:24 EDT Tabla Beat Science - Tala Matrix Does anybody kno anything about this album? a friend of mine picked it up at random and told me about it, its essentially a bill laswell project, i believe dj talvin singh works as a coengineer or something... There isnt a tour is there? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: bill laswell/ talvin singh Date: 06 Jul 2001 16:25:50 +0200 PaanKu@aol.com wrote: > Tabla Beat Science - Tala Matrix > > Does anybody kno anything about this album? Unfortunately I don't know about this album, but... > a friend of mine picked it up at > random and told me about it, its essentially a bill laswell project, i > believe dj talvin singh works as a coengineer or something... ... Talvin is not primarily a DJ; he's mainly a tabla player & "electronic" dance music "composer". He will soon be touring with a band to promote his latest album. patRice np: Now J-Pop 2001 nr: Japanese Tattoo Institute, Horiyoshi's World Vol. 2 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 07:33:40 -0700 (PDT) --- William York <william_york@hotmail.com> wrote: > WY (who thinks permits should be required for table- > and lap-top guitar at > this stage in the game) How prevalent is this practice? Keith Rowe talks about it in that WIRE interview like everybody's doing it now, but who is everybody? Is there a surplus of tabloe-top playing, or is it just predictably bad on the (rare) occasions that it does happen? (Excepting the really great players---Frith, Drumm, Rowe, Montera, Tammen, etc.). It still somehow seems like a pretty exotic practice to me; I can't see it having "caught on"... -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 10:45:22 -0400 Dean Roberts, Donald Miller, Michael Schumacher...to name a few people who use the guitar-on-the-table approach.. David Beardsley ----- Original Message ----- > --- William York <william_york@hotmail.com> wrote: > > WY (who thinks permits should be required for table- > > and lap-top guitar at > > this stage in the game) > > How prevalent is this practice? Keith Rowe talks > about it in that WIRE interview like everybody's doing > it now, but who is everybody? Is there a surplus of > tabloe-top playing, or is it just predictably bad on > the (rare) occasions that it does happen? (Excepting > the really great players---Frith, Drumm, Rowe, > Montera, Tammen, etc.). It still somehow seems like a > pretty exotic practice to me; I can't see it having > "caught on"... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: fred frith - clearing Date: 06 Jul 2001 15:15:14 -0000 > Does anyone on the list have this CD? If so, e-mail me privately, a >review... Nono, on the list! I'm VERY curious about this CD as well... ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: RE: bill laswell/ talvin singh Date: 06 Jul 2001 10:19:47 -0500 (CDT) I picked up the album accidentally. I'm familiar with both musicians but had never seen them collaborate. It's a tribute album to Ustad AllaRakkah (Tabla Master). The album consists of tablas being used for a variety of genres. Although I can't really get into some of the writing, the tabla virtuosity is nothing short of spectacular. I have absolutely fallen in love with that instrument. kasra george - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> Subject: Massacre - Frith, Laswell, Hayward... Date: 06 Jul 2001 11:30:11 -0700 (PDT) --0-1377772895-994444211=:3857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I must recommend this album to the list... "Funny Valentine" by Massacre... Great energetic improvs on each element involved... Fred Frith's guitar playing is stunningly amazing, unique, and appropriate... Laswell is about as inventive and energetic as I've ever heard him play... This is the first album in which I've had the opportunity of hearing Chris Hayward play -- he's quite productive and he knows when to play and when to relax...He reminds me of a cross between Previte and Chris Wood. I can't stop listening to this CD! Help! I see Massacre has put out another album called "Killing Time." Are these the only 2 albums or are there more? -Theo Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1377772895-994444211=:3857 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P> I must recommend this album to the list... "Funny Valentine" by Massacre... Great energetic improvs on each element involved... Fred Frith's guitar playing is stunningly amazing, unique, and appropriate... Laswell is about as inventive and energetic as I've ever heard him play... This is the first album in which I've had the opportunity of hearing Chris Hayward play -- he's quite productive and he knows when to play and when to relax...He reminds me of a cross between Previte and Chris Wood. I can't stop listening to this CD! Help!</P> <P> I see Massacre has put out another album called "Killing Time." Are these the only 2 albums or are there more? </P> <P>-Theo</P> <P> </P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year!<BR><a href="http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=tagline">http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/</a> --0-1377772895-994444211=:3857-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: Bill Laswell Date: 06 Jul 2001 14:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Good Afternoon Everybody, The first exposure I received to Bill Laswell was Material's "Hallucination Engine. I was wondering if anybody would tell me about any other Laswell recordings with similar musical explorations. kasra - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: new zorn Date: 06 Jul 2001 16:11:43 EDT --part1_128.10d5c2e.2877757f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I did hear the new Zorn and found no interest in it > after a first contact. > The computer compositions are just senseless noise > IMHO. I couldn't say it's even hilarious or > entertaining in some way. There was also a composition > with a recitation that could be relatively > highlightable. > All in all, a dull Zorn's release. Boring and > gratuitous and pretentious are the words that come to > my mind Ok. Well. I'm not going to say that Zorn hasn't seemed kind of pretentious, especially as of late, though some of his self-love does hearken back to the liner notes of Spillane. I'm not going to say that the new release is particularly genius, but I will contend that it is at least an inspired collection. Zorn's been at sort of a compositional block lately, I think. What attracted me to his work in the first place was the endless eclecticism and constant striving for new means of musical expression. That stuff is very clear up until the last couple of years. Then, there was a flood of Masada-related stuff, which while I respect, I will admit it got a little bit too comfortable for Zorn at times. A couple of collections of chamber/string pieces, which were written not so recently, and other "classical" compositions, etc.. Zorn looks like he's trying very hard to cement his validity as an important avant-garde composer, which rankles, especially considering most of us (at least on this list) already believe he is, and besides us, who else really matters? Anyway, the new collection, one computer piece and one electronic piece that sound REMARKABLY similar, a piece for Maya Deren, and a piece for Beuys, is at least a very clear break from the recent rehashing. Instead of continuing to hone and refine his skills, as he did on his last chamber release, and the Masada live series, he's back to experimenting, and I, for one, am glad. The electronics pieces do not sound like senseless noise. They are very, very active compositions, however. There is not much in the way of silence and the sounds are distinctly digital, rather than implementing any sort of sampling.. The closest analogy I can make would probably be to Morton Subotnick, or at least one of those computers you hear in cartoons from the 70's. There are definitely some polyphonic rhythmic things happening, though, and some very interesting uses high sine-wave frequencies and white noise as a disrupting factor. The Maya Deren piece, I felt, was the real failure of the album. Who really thinks that bass guitar feedback is that interesting? I really loved "Redbird", and this ain't no "Redbird". I'm not entirely sure what my reasoning is, but I really found the Deren piece to be entirely a failure, except for the sample of Maya Deren speaking, and that was only because she has something interesting to say. The real stand-out piece is "Beuysblock", the instrumentation was nicely assembled, though I felt the implementation of more traditional instruments, the violin and the piano, were sort of a concession on Zorn's behalf. Though I do feel it is the strongest work on the album, I also felt rather let down by it. The were so many compositional possibilities with the instrumentation selected on the new cd, and it seems like Zorn just ignored them and focused on the instrumentation itself. Which would be enough for, say, Morton Feldman. I don't know. I'd like to see him continue in this line of work, and I give him credit for not jumping on the IDM bandwagon or just making some piece of Musique Concrete, but this album just isn't the bomb-diggity as I was hoping. from, matt --part1_128.10d5c2e.2877757f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>> I did hear the new Zorn and found no interest in it <BR>> after a first contact. <BR>> The computer compositions are just senseless noise <BR>> IMHO. I couldn't say it's even hilarious or <BR>> entertaining in some way. There was also a composition <BR>> with a recitation that could be relatively <BR>> highlightable. <BR>> All in all, a dull Zorn's release. Boring and <BR>> gratuitous and pretentious are the words that come to <BR>> my mind <BR> <BR>Ok. Well. I'm not going to say that Zorn hasn't seemed kind of pretentious, <BR>especially as of late, though some of his self-love does hearken back to the <BR>liner notes of Spillane. I'm not going to say that the new release is <BR>particularly genius, but I will contend that it is at least an inspired <BR>collection. Zorn's been at sort of a compositional block lately, I think. <BR>What attracted me to his work in the first place was the endless eclecticism <BR>and constant striving for new means of musical expression. That stuff is very <BR>clear up until the last couple of years. Then, there was a flood of <BR>Masada-related stuff, which while I respect, I will admit it got a little bit <BR>too comfortable for Zorn at times. A couple of collections of chamber/string <BR>pieces, which were written not so recently, and other "classical" <BR>compositions, etc.. Zorn looks like he's trying very hard to cement his <BR>validity as an important avant-garde composer, which rankles, especially <BR>considering most of us (at least on this list) already believe he is, and <BR>besides us, who else really matters? <BR>Anyway, the new collection, one computer piece and one electronic piece that <BR>sound REMARKABLY similar, a piece for Maya Deren, and a piece for Beuys, is <BR>at least a very clear break from the recent rehashing. <BR>Instead of continuing to hone and refine his skills, as he did on his last <BR>chamber release, and the Masada live series, he's back to experimenting, and <BR>I, for one, am glad. <BR>The electronics pieces do not sound like senseless noise. They are very, very <BR>active compositions, however. There is not much in the way of silence and the <BR>sounds are distinctly digital, rather than implementing any sort of <BR>sampling.. The closest analogy I can make would probably be to Morton <BR>Subotnick, or at least one of those computers you hear in cartoons from the <BR>70's. There are definitely some polyphonic rhythmic things happening, though, <BR>and some very interesting uses high sine-wave frequencies and white noise as <BR>a disrupting factor. The Maya Deren piece, I felt, was the real failure of <BR>the album. Who really thinks that bass guitar feedback is that interesting? I <BR>really loved "Redbird", and this ain't no "Redbird". I'm not entirely sure <BR>what my reasoning is, but I really found the Deren piece to be entirely a <BR>failure, except for the sample of Maya Deren speaking, and that was only <BR>because she has something interesting to say. <BR>The real stand-out piece is "Beuysblock", the instrumentation was nicely <BR>assembled, though I felt the implementation of more traditional instruments, <BR>the violin and the piano, were sort of a concession on Zorn's behalf. Though <BR>I do feel it is the strongest work on the album, I also felt rather let down <BR>by it. The were so many compositional possibilities with the instrumentation <BR>selected on the new cd, and it seems like Zorn just ignored them and focused <BR>on the instrumentation itself. Which would be enough for, say, Morton <BR>Feldman. <BR>I don't know. I'd like to see him continue in this line of work, and I give <BR>him credit for not jumping on the IDM bandwagon or just making some piece of <BR>Musique Concrete, but this album just isn't the bomb-diggity as I was hoping. <BR> <BR>from, <BR>matt <BR></FONT></HTML> --part1_128.10d5c2e.2877757f_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com> Subject: Re: Bill Laswell Date: 06 Jul 2001 16:29:06 -0400 kasra said: > The first exposure I received to Bill Laswell was Material's "Hallucination > Engine. I was wondering if anybody would tell me about any other Laswell > recordings with similar musical explorations. > Another Laswell project called Divination sounds like it would be up your alley: Distill is a good record. For the Burroughs connection there also, try Material's Seven Souls. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 20:40:18 >How prevalent is this practice? Keith Rowe talks >about it in that WIRE interview like everybody's doing >it now, but who is everybody? Is there a surplus of >tabloe-top playing, or is it just predictably bad on >the (rare) occasions that it does happen? (Excepting >the really great players---Frith, Drumm, Rowe, >Montera, Tammen, etc.). It still somehow seems like a >pretty exotic practice to me; I can't see it having >"caught on"... well, I guess it isn't that prevalent, but i can associate it with some of the absolute worst free improv i have ever witnessed. not by big names, but rather by local-type opening acts that seem to still be at a not-so-advanced or well-defined stage in their playing (note: if I were to ever do an improv show, this would definitely include me! so i keep it in the bedroom for now...). it is the same kind of impression i often get when seeing a percussionist resort to the wet-finger-on-the-tom-tom or to bowing the cymbal -- it often seems that these extended or "unusual" techniques are considered ends in themselves, as proof that these people are "really improvising." certain people, of course, use these sounds in a very musical way (tom rainey being one recent example of a drummer i've seen doing it live), but it often just seems arbitrary. i mean, a wet finger on a tom-tom in itself is not THAT interesting of a sound! i have to admit, also, that i am not personally a huge fan of the acknowledged table-top masters -- rowe or frith, for example, so that may have an impact on how i see this. to be more positive about this extended technique stuff, i saw john butcher solo over in berkeley a couple of weeks ago, and that WAS amazing. and of course it is unfair to expect everyone to be on that level. longwindedly, wy p.s. whoever found that fantomas "director's cut" cd for $1.99, you got lucky!! that doesn't come out for several more weeks, and based on the sample mp3 i heard, it sounds like it will be better than their first one ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Bill Laswell Date: 06 Jul 2001 20:44:56 -0000 >Another Laswell project called Divination sounds like it would be up your >alley: Distill is a good record. I'm interested in this: Is it the one where Laswell is just playing in duo with some Indian dude playing an electric zither? Sound interesting at least. Is it dubbish? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: Massacre - Frith, Laswell, Hayward... Date: 06 Jul 2001 23:10:12 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C10670.CF4390A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see Massacre has put out another album called "Killing Time." = Are these the only 2 albums or are there more? =20 -Theo Only these two albums and some songs spread over Frith's discography = (i.e: "Step across the Border"). BTW, I second that recommendation absolutely! Efr=E9n del Valle n.p: Anthony Braxton "Compositions No.10 & No.16(+101)" (It's boring = me to death so far!!) =20 =20 =20 =20 --- =20 Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C10670.CF4390A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <P> I see Massacre has put out another album called = "Killing=20 Time." 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net> Subject: Re: Massacre - Frith, Laswell, Hayward... Date: 06 Jul 2001 17:22:21 -0400 > I must recommend this album to the list... "Funny Valentine" >by Massacre... Great energetic improvs on each element involved... >Fred Frith's guitar playing is stunningly amazing, unique, and >appropriate... Laswell is about as inventive and energetic as I've >ever heard him play... This is the first album in which I've had >the opportunity of hearing Chris Hayward play -- he's quite >productive and he knows when to play and when to relax...He reminds >me of a cross between Previte and Chris Wood. I can't stop listening >to this CD! Help! > > I see Massacre has put out another album called "Killing >Time." Are these the only 2 albums or are there more? > Short answer; No. Killing Time is from 1981, Frith,Laswell and original drummer Fred Maher, playing a mix of Fred's tunes, and improvs. They played a lot of gigs around 80-81. They revived it in spirit, if not name in 85 as "Two against One" with Anton Fier on drums, doing a mix of tunes from the first album, and structures that were originally written for The Golden Palomino's. there are no legit recordings from this incarnation,AFAIK. The current version of the band recorded Funny Valentine along side of another album, led by vocalist Percy Howard, called Meridiem. The earlier incarnations were a different beast than the current one. Frith's playing at the time was really out front and quite aggressive, and the rythym section pounded out some pretty break-neck tempo's. I do like the new album, but it doesn't have much at all to do with the original band, other than the name. BTW, Charles(not Chris) Hayward was the drummer for Quiet Sun (whose only album was finally reissued on CD last year), as well as on many of Phil Manzanera's solo projects, before forming This Heat around 1980. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 17:39:04 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, William York wrote: > > it is the same kind of impression i often get when seeing a percussionist > resort to the wet-finger-on-the-tom-tom or to bowing the cymbal -- it often > seems that these extended or "unusual" techniques are considered ends in > themselves, How about Han Bennick's heel on the snare or tossing a slab of wood into the air? There is something about the gestures that make the performance a little bit of a spectacle, which i enjoy if it surprises me and i groan at like a bad pun if i've seen it to many times before. konrad PS FWIW, which ain't much, i'm enjoying the new Frith CD, i just can't give a very good 'review' of it. ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Massacre - Frith, Laswell, Hayward... Date: 06 Jul 2001 17:46:47 EDT In a message dated Fri, 6 Jul 2001 5:25:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net> writes: << BTW, Charles(not Chris) Hayward was the drummer for Quiet Sun (whose only album was finally reissued on CD last year), as well as on many of Phil Manzanera's solo projects, before forming This Heat around 1980. >> His post-TH group Camberwell Now is worth searching out too. 3 studio albums with that band, IIRC. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 07 Jul 2001 14:59:58 -0700 > How about Han Bennick's heel on the snare or tossing a slab of wood into > the air? There is something about the gestures that make the performance > a little bit of a spectacle, which i enjoy if it surprises me and i groan > at like a bad pun if i've seen it to many times before. > > > konrad > I get the impression that some of what Beenik does live is best filed under "theatrical craftsmanship". It's obviously not about strictly musical calculation with him. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "steve spangler" <sspangl@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Maladoror Reviews Date: 06 Jul 2001 18:03:28 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10645.F56FF5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed everybody talking about this project, and I thought I'd = mention that mine is in my stack of stuff to sell back at some point. = So, if anyone wants to buy a copy, just let me know. I also have a copy = of the "Weird Little Boy" to go back. If anyone is interested in either = or both of them, contact me at sspangl@columbus.rr.com. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10645.F56FF5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I noticed everybody talking about this = project, and=20 I thought I'd mention that mine is in my stack of stuff to sell back at = some=20 point. So, if anyone wants to buy a copy, just let me know. I also have = a copy=20 of the "Weird Little Boy" to go back. If anyone is interested in either = or both=20 of them, contact me at <A=20 href=3D"mailto:sspangl@columbus.rr.com">sspangl@columbus.rr.com</A>.</FON= T></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10645.F56FF5F0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 22:17:26 -0000 >On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, William York wrote: > > > > it is the same kind of impression i often get when seeing a >percussionist > > resort to the wet-finger-on-the-tom-tom or to bowing the cymbal -- it >often > > seems that these extended or "unusual" techniques are considered ends in > > themselves, > >How about Han Bennick's heel on the snare or tossing a slab of wood into >the air? There is something about the gestures that make the performance >a little bit of a spectacle, which i enjoy if it surprises me and i groan >at like a bad pun if i've seen it to many times before. The thing about Bennink is that if you don't think his performance is "funny", you can just close your eyes and just *hear* that he is the best impro drummer in the world (or buy the records). Not sure if this is in agreement or not with what William said ;-) PS: I'm sure the good Doctor Chadbourne would have quite a laugh should he see the subject line of this discussion! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 22:21:56 -0000 >I get the impression that some of what Beenik does live is best filed under >"theatrical craftsmanship". It's obviously not about strictly musical >calculation with him. Of course not, but it could be! Listen to some of the live recordings of him and you will realise that it sounds good (I mean, you might think so, like me ;-). My favorite is "Love Henry" by Clusone 3. Of course, it's the "showman" in him that makes him run around the audience hitting his snare drum, but goddammit, the moment where he sings the last tone of a song from the other end of the room is pure brilliance in my opinion. Actually, he also sits on the floor with only his snare drum, when recording in studio etc... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 18:30:02 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Skip Heller wrote: > I get the impression that some of what Beenik does live is best filed under > "theatrical craftsmanship". It's obviously not about strictly musical > calculation with him. True enough. But when i see Frith's syncopated wobblings while he's playing his guitar (not on his lap) it's not as musical as Bennick's tossings. And i have to say, from the point of view of interruption, which IS a compositional technique in both Zorn and ICP, it is very musical theater. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" <KEITHMAR@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 15:32:19 -0700 >>>The thing about Bennink is that if you don't think his performance is "funny", you can just close your eyes and just *hear* that he is the best improv drummer in the world<<< Amen to that. When he played here in Ventura I was amazed at how musical he was. I expected to get bored listening to this dadadrummer with his bag of tricks for an hour. Instead I was mesmerized. We presented Bennink, then a few moths later Uitti, then a few months later Butcher. Three improvisers with highly developed voices, each thrilling in solo performance. Each incredibly musical, transcending technique at every turn. Oh, and to stay on topic, (was Chadbourne) played a couple of nights here as well. I've grown to love that voice of his. Both of them. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Massacre - Frith, Laswell, Hayward... Date: 06 Jul 2001 22:34:09 -0000 >They revived it in >spirit, if not name in 85 as "Two against One" with Anton Fier on >drums, doing a mix of tunes from the first album, and structures that >were originally written for The Golden Palomino's. there are no legit >recordings from this incarnation,AFAIK. Frith talked about this on his mailing list some time ago, and it seems there was quite a bunch of semi-Massacre lineups after the original one broke up. Lots of different people invovled, including Peter Br÷tzmann and Ronald Shannon Jackson. There was a funny story, about one of these versions being booked to play the Moers Festival sometime in the early 80s. The lineup was Frith, Anton Fier and Laswell as I recall. Laswell couldn't make it for some reason, but Fier and Frith had already arrived in Moers. As soon as Fier heard the news he got on the first plane back to New York. Luckily for Frith (and the Moers audience) Doctor Umezu was also playing at the festival, and members of that band immediately filled in for Fier and Laswell even they only had few hours to rehearse. Must have been an interesting show. (BTW this story was told as I remember it. There might be some, eh, historical misunderstandings) >I do like the new album, >but it doesn't have much at all to do with the original band, other >than the name. Well, maybe not. This was discussed by Frith as well.... I think Zorn sugested calling it a Massacre record and at first Frith didn't like the idea. Mainly because old Massacre was his project, new Massacre is collective improvisation. However, at some point in the process, Friht realised that playing in new Massacre was the closet he had come to the old Massacre feeling for a long time, so he went with it. Again, it was something like that I think.... > BTW, Charles(not Chris) Hayward was the drummer for Quiet Sun >(whose only album was finally reissued on CD last year), as well as >on many of Phil Manzanera's solo projects, before forming This Heat >around 1980. Small correction: I think This Heat was formed in 1976. Their first record is from 1977. They, of course, were one of the greatest bands of all time. Hayward has never come close to it again, in my opinion (not to mention the other members!).... Ah, "The Fall Of Saigon"..... Anybody has any live recordings of This Heat... Or, perhaps, even videos?? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 22:38:34 -0000 >True enough. But when i see Frith's syncopated wobblings while he's >playing his guitar (not on his lap) it's not as musical as Bennick's >tossings. "syncopated wobblings"? Could you explain for those of us who aren't native English speakers? It sound pretty musical to me ;-) >And i have to say, from the point of view of interruption, >which IS a compositional technique in both Zorn and ICP, it is very >musical theater. Excactly! While Bennink suddenly walking of the stage and into the dressing room in the middle of playing is a kind of theater, it can create very interesting musical responses from the other musicians. I think this can be a very cool way of challenging other improvisors. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: This Heat (was Massacre) Date: 06 Jul 2001 18:44:25 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Arthur Gadney wrote: > Small correction: I think This Heat was formed in 1976. Their first record > is from 1977. They, of course, were one of the greatest bands of all time. Agreed. There is a BBC recording out, not quite live. I have a bootleg (which also contains the until-recently-unseen-by-me-on-CD EP Health and Efficiency) that i bought someplace in NYC, but it isn't very good. The one Camberwell Now lp i have is really nothing like TH, which i guess why i don't like it. konrad > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > > ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Bennink (was free impro) hehe it gets better and better Date: 06 Jul 2001 22:46:39 -0000 What I forgot to say about Bennink's theatrical stuff...: There is more ways to create new and interesting situations in improvisation than just with the instruments. It's always a big goof if musician can somehow reply to an audience member doing something strange or unsuspected (smashing a bottle, telephne ringing, a police car drives by etc). Why should musicians use the same posibilities for making creative "situations"? Suddenly changing a concert from a duo to a solo by walkiing of the stage for a few minutes, can create very interesting MUSICAL happenings. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: dancing guitarists (was free improv (was Chadbourne)) Date: 06 Jul 2001 18:51:00 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Arthur Gadney wrote: > "syncopated wobblings"? Could you explain for those of us who aren't native > English speakers? It sound pretty musical to me ;-) I've only seen Frith about 4 times. Once way back when with Tom Cora, and recently three times sitting down and once standing up playing some Art Bears tunes with Charming Hostess, a local SF (now defunct) band. While he played, he sort of swerved around, that's all. I took some film footage of it actually that i edited about 2 seconds of into a music video cut to an FZ guitar solo. The reference struck me as kinda funny. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 07 Jul 2001 01:52:36 -0000 >From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> > > >I get the impression that some of what Beenik does live is best filed under >"theatrical craftsmanship". It's obviously not about strictly musical >calculation with him. > In traditional show biz parlance, it is known as a 'shtick', and sometimes it seems to take precedence over the actual sounds being produced. Dada was not predictable... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 06 Jul 2001 21:53:00 EDT Well, geez, there are plenty of pianists that one could argue 'aren't qualified' to play piano, yet we are forced to hear them. The same goes for any instrument. One could even extend it to jazz players of the past 15 years (probably excepting those of the old guard), that they should need a creativity permit to prevent them from subjecting us to retread solos. Heck, take it even further to the practice of making records! All in all, I don't think tabletop guitar in and of itself is such a hallowed medium that it need be reserved for the worthy any more than any other instrument. The fact remains, nonetheless, that certain sounds are only obtainable via certain gestures or techniques. In improvisational music, one could debate for hours about the relative appropriate-ness of a sounds particular inclusion in a piece. I think, ultimately, the most important aspect is the sound and its effect on you/me as the listener. Those who frivolously toss off those sounds or techniques of any kind betray their shortcomings in myriad other ways anyway, regardless of the musical parameter that they happen to be abusing. Rambling on, -matt mitchell In a message dated 7/6/01 4:41:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, william_york@hotmail.com writes: << well, I guess it isn't that prevalent, but i can associate it with some of the absolute worst free improv i have ever witnessed. not by big names, but rather by local-type opening acts that seem to still be at a not-so-advanced or well-defined stage in their playing (note: if I were to ever do an improv show, this would definitely include me! so i keep it in the bedroom for now...). it is the same kind of impression i often get when seeing a percussionist resort to the wet-finger-on-the-tom-tom or to bowing the cymbal -- it often seems that these extended or "unusual" techniques are considered ends in themselves, as proof that these people are "really improvising." certain people, of course, use these sounds in a very musical way (tom rainey being one recent example of a drummer i've seen doing it live), but it often just seems arbitrary. i mean, a wet finger on a tom-tom in itself is not THAT interesting of a sound! >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 07 Jul 2001 02:27:06 well, the whole "permit" remark was originally of course somewhat sarcastic and not meant literally, which i would hope would be clear ... one of my friends plays table-top guitar sometimes in this free noise duo, and i have joked with him about it. i actually like some of what he does. someone else mentioned han bennink, too. i wasn't referring to him (i love han bennink's playing) or saying "extended techniques are bad," just commenting that it often seems that the need to be using SOME form of unusual method of playing can be seen as offering "proof" that one is really playing something "creative." (i have caught my lame self doing that, for example.) as a listener, though, i often just ask myself, "what are they actually trying to SAY with this wet-finger whoop?" ... those techniques can be as stale and reflexive as someone else's running up and down a b flat major scale or whatever. how does this relate to the original point about improv guitar? i am not totally sure, but i guess what i am thinking is that it while knowing how to DO all the extended techniques of a chadbourne, or whoever else, would certainly help with being a better or more well-rounded guitarist, rhe techniques of these well-known improvisors themselves shouldn't be directly equated with improvising. does that make any sense? or is it just a totally obvious point to begin with ... wy >From: Nudeants@aol.com >To: william_york@hotmail.com, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:53:00 EDT > >Well, geez, there are plenty of pianists that one could argue 'aren't >qualified' to play piano, yet we are forced to hear them. The same goes >for >any instrument. One could even extend it to jazz players of the past 15 >years (probably excepting those of the old guard), that they should need a >creativity permit to prevent them from subjecting us to retread solos. >Heck, >take it even further to the practice of making records! All in all, I >don't >think tabletop guitar in and of itself is such a hallowed medium that it >need >be reserved for the worthy any more than any other instrument. > >The fact remains, nonetheless, that certain sounds are only obtainable via >certain gestures or techniques. In improvisational music, one could debate >for hours about the relative appropriate-ness of a sounds particular >inclusion in a piece. I think, ultimately, the most important aspect is >the >sound and its effect on you/me as the listener. Those who frivolously toss >off those sounds or techniques of any kind betray their shortcomings in >myriad other ways anyway, regardless of the musical parameter that they >happen to be abusing. > >Rambling on, > >-matt mitchell > > >In a message dated 7/6/01 4:41:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >william_york@hotmail.com writes: > ><< well, I guess it isn't that prevalent, but i can associate it with some >of > the absolute worst free improv i have ever witnessed. not by big names, >but > rather by local-type opening acts that seem to still be at a >not-so-advanced > or well-defined stage in their playing (note: if I were to ever do an >improv > show, this would definitely include me! so i keep it in the bedroom for > now...). > > it is the same kind of impression i often get when seeing a percussionist > resort to the wet-finger-on-the-tom-tom or to bowing the cymbal -- it >often > seems that these extended or "unusual" techniques are considered ends in > themselves, as proof that these people are "really improvising." certain > people, of course, use these sounds in a very musical way (tom rainey >being > one recent example of a drummer i've seen doing it live), but it often >just > seems arbitrary. i mean, a wet finger on a tom-tom in itself is not THAT > interesting of a sound! >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com> Subject: Re: Bill Laswell Date: 06 Jul 2001 22:57:21 -0400 At 08:44 PM 7/6/01 -0000, Arthur Gadney wrote: >>Another Laswell project called Divination sounds like it would be up your= =20 >>alley: Distill is a good record. > >I'm interested in this: Is it the one where Laswell is just playing in duo= =20 >with some Indian dude playing an electric zither? Sound interesting at=20 >least. Is it dubbish? There are five Divination albums, and the one with Laswell and Laraaji on electric zither is Sacrifice. It is the most meditational of all the Divination albums, not dubby at all. For the dub side, look for the first two, Ambient Dub and Ambient Dub 2: Dead Slow. There is also a 2cd set, Akasha, which is one disc of d&b, and one of ambient remixes. The fourth, Distill, is eight tracks on 2 cds, each credited to a separate person (such as Paul Schutze, Thomas K=F6ner, Laswell, etc.). Distill, like Sacrifice, i= s more beatless, more concentration on drones. -- One day the United States discovered that it was an empire. But it didn't know what an empire was. It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations. -- Roberto Calasso Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com> Subject: Re: Bill Laswell Date: 06 Jul 2001 22:59:08 -0400 At 08:44 PM 7/6/2001 +0000, Arthur Gadney wrote: >>Another Laswell project called Divination sounds like it would be up your >>alley: Distill is a good record. > >I'm interested in this: Is it the one where Laswell is just playing in duo >with some Indian dude playing an electric zither? Sound interesting at >least. Is it dubbish? No, this is Laswell with Paul Schultze, Pete Namlook, Haruomi Hosono, Mick Harris, Thomas Koner, Anton Fier and Tetsu Inoue. Quite a stellar cast. It's great dark ambient music (aka isolationism) with fascinating textures to it. Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com> Subject: Re: Bill Laswell (Laraaji) Date: 06 Jul 2001 23:18:17 -0400 At 10:57 PM 7/6/2001 -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote: >There are five Divination albums, and the one with Laswell and Laraaji on >electric zither is Sacrifice. It is the most meditational of all the >Divination albums, not dubby at all. For the dub side, look for the first= =20 >two, Ambient Dub and Ambient Dub 2: Dead Slow. There is also a 2cd set,=20 >Akasha, which is one disc of d&b, and one of ambient remixes. The fourth,= =20 >Distill, is eight tracks on 2 cds, each credited to a separate person=20 >(such as Paul Schutze, Thomas K=F6ner, Laswell, etc.). Distill, like=20 >Sacrifice, is more beatless, more concentration on drones. For Laraaji, I'd definitely recommend "Ambient 3: Day of Radiance." Two=20 beautiful 'mediatations' and three lively 'dances' (as he calls them). I didn't know much about who he was other than the fact that he had this=20 wonderful album out so I looked around the Net and found this interesting=20 bio: http://associated.caroline.com/gyroscope/laraaji/laraaji.html Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jmcazurin <mikah@ceruleansoftware.com> Subject: Re: bill laswell/ talvin singh Date: 07 Jul 2001 15:03:12 +0800 At 09:53 PM 7/6/01, PaanKu@aol.com wrote: >Tabla Beat Science - Tala Matrix > >Does anybody kno anything about this album? a friend of mine picked it up at >random and told me about it, its essentially a bill laswell project, i >believe dj talvin singh works as a coengineer or something... As Kasra said, the tabla playing on this album is mind-blowing. The compositions themselves range from okay to pretty good, IMHO. I much prefer Talvin Singh's "OK" album. Less tablas (still a lot though) but the writing is incredible. (disclaimer: i know next to nothing of tabla playing and indian music in general) mikah I am dancing at the feet of my lord, knowing the eternal secret is this: in all worlds and lives and times, all is bliss, all is bliss, all is bliss. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: about Xu Feng Date: 07 Jul 2001 10:29:23 +0200 Zorn-agains, I'm still figuring out wether or not I like Xu Feng. The tracks I really like are the 2 or 3 calmer compositions. 'The Beauty of...' for example is really interesting but most of the songs are quite chaotic. I wonder, those of you who like it, do you headbang while listening to these songs or do you politely move your left foot to the hectic rythm? How do you relate to the ear-busting ? Tell me all about it. I would like Zorn to make a full album of 'The Beauty ...' type songs though. greetings, Rob @ risk np: xu feng - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?Windows-1252?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: free improv (was Chadbourne) Date: 07 Jul 2001 12:52:15 +0200 >>>>The thing about Bennink is that if you don't think his performance is >"funny", you can just close your eyes and just *hear* that he is the best >improv drummer in the world<<< > Absolutely. I don't think there could be anyone who didn't enjoy seeing this guy live. His is not a mere drumming performance, but he's a work of art by himself (and due to his age, maybe a relic, too). When he visited Barcelona with Ellery Eskelin, he even drummed on the lamps on the wall, getting to break one of them with the emotion of the moment! I also had a chance to see a video of his performance (in Victoriaville??) with Mike Patton and David Slusser. I loved the concert, but Bennink really was the tip of the hat. In the middle of an improv, he just sat on the floor and began banging a big piece of wood as if he was possessed, in an epileptic fit or something. Totally surrealistic. Greets, EfrΘn del Valle n.p: Fred Frith "Traffic Continues" (I'll never stop enjoying this) n.r: Chris Rodley "Lynch on Lynch" (Thanks to those who recommended this; and amazing book that proves Lynch is probably one of the most twisted minds I've ever known) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: about Xu Feng Date: 07 Jul 2001 13:10:21 +0200 I'm still figuring out wether or not I like Xu Feng. The tracks I really >like are the 2 or 3 calmer compositions. 'The Beauty of...' for example is >really interesting but most of the songs are quite chaotic. I wonder, >those of you who like it, do you headbang while listening to these songs >or do you politely move your left foot to the hectic rythm? How do you >relate to the ear-busting ? Tell me all about it. Well, I love the album as a whole. I think that one of its highlights are these contrasts between "heavier", noisy stuff and the quieter sections like "The Beauty of Yang Hui-Chen". IMHO, this mixture becomes the dynamics of the piece, giving it a certain argumental continuity. I don't think that the "harder-to-listen" pieces are really chaotic. I guess it depends on each one's logics. For me, chaotic means "Locus Solus". Different conceptions, I suppose. However, I can't help being surprised by the fact that you "don't know whether you like the album or not". There are not (or there shouldn't be) reasons to enjoy or dislike music, cinema, literature or whatever. You simply like it or not. Also, don't you think that an album comprised only by these calmer compositions would be really boring? I do. BTW, I politely move my left foot. Regards, EfrΘn n.p: (Obviously) "Xu-Feng" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com> Subject: FIrstAvenue's 20 Anniversary Festival Date: 07 Jul 2001 15:55:59 -0400 FIRSTAVENUE - NYC'S PREMIER AVANT GARDE TRIO PRESENTS MULTIPLE ORGANISMS 1 2 3 20thANNIVERSARY - FESTIVAL OF NEW MUSIC 3 EVENINGS OF SPONTANEOUS ELECTRO-ACOUSTIC NEW MUSIC AND VIDEO THAT WILL KEEP YOU COMING BACK FOR MORE FRIDAY - JULY 13 - 8 PM - TOUCH FIRST AVENUE with GLEN VALEZ SATURDAY - JULY 14 - 8 PM - NEAR FUTURISM FIRST AVENUE with KEVINJAMES AND PEGGY KAMPMEIER SUNDAY - JULY 15 - 3 PM - RASTOPOLUS PROJECTED FIRST AVENUE with MULTI-CHANNEL VIDEO AND ACTORS CAROL JACOBANIS AND CHRIS BERG CONTEXT STUDIOS IN WILLIAMSBURG, BROOKLYN. (A HOT-BED FORCONTEMPORARY ART AND MUSIC) #1 North 12th Street located near both the Land G subways. For further directions go to WWW.FirstAvenue.org and click the ContextNYC link. Tickets at the door are $12/6 students and seniors for single events $20 for 2 events and $24 for 3. FirstAvenue20th Anniversary SeasonMULTIPLE ORGANISMS - will proceed, as it has since the late 20thCentury, with fascinatingly organized sights and sounds at each of its three events. William Kannar - double bass, electronics, computer, video; C. Bryan Rulon - piano, synthesizers, electronics, computer; Matt Sullivan - oboe, English horn, digital horn, electronics MULTIPLEORGANISMS 1 2 3 1 FRIDAY,JULY 13 at 8 PM TOUCH FIRSTAVENUE with GLEN VALEZ -PERCUSSIONMultiple Organisms. Valez's exotic, pulsing percussion timbres and FirstAvenue's undulating electro-acoustic wash of unexpected primal and exhilarating sounds offer performer and audience alike an exciting opportunity for a provocative musical experience. The concert includes solo works by FirstAvenue and Valez. It also features the premiere of a new setting for "Oh Boy!"", Matt Sullivan's acclaimed solo work for oboe adding Valez's colorful rhythmic elaborations to Sullivan's orbiting, sonic flutter. In addition, FirstAvenue and Valez will present the premiere of an expanded version of another FirstAvenue classic, William Kannar's "Proof", (which, along with Oh Boy! can be heard in their original solo versions onFirstAvenue's most recent CD Shreds of Evidence on O.O.DiscsRecords). 2 NEAR FUTURISM On Saturday, July 14 at 8 PM FirstAvenue will present the 2nd of 3 concerts presented during MULTIPLE ORGANISMS. The concert features the premiere of Kevin James' 6 EASY PIECES in 9short movements, a new work for oboe, keyboards, bass, audiotape and actors based on the taped lectures of physicist, Richard Feynman. Virtuoso pianist, Peggy Kampmeier will present a rousing performance of THE LUDDITES DISCLAIMER by C. Bryan Rulon for piano versus computer. And, Kevin, along with his trombone (and 3 guest actors) will join FirstAvenue and Peggy Kampmeier for improvisations and compositions. 3 RASTOPOLUS PROJECTED SUNDAY - JULY 15 - 3PM - FIRST AVENUE MULTI-MEDIA Rastopolus Projected This quintessentially FirstAvenue event will feature an evening length, multi-channel video work by William Kannar accompanied by FirstAvenue. The Context Studio stage will be transformed as guest actors Carol Jacobanis and Chris Berg spice the evening's discourse by appearing and disappearing live among the processed images of New York City. The swirling, multi-faceted videos become visceral, abstract expressionistic images in motion. And, with the intimacy of 20 years of improvising together, the 3 members of FirstAvenue enter into another relationship with the videos which actualize the imagery as a 4th element, providing a sonic analog and/or counterpoint. This engaging relationship also actualizes the season's theme, MULTIPLE ORGANISMS: that peculiarly contemporary phenomenon of simultaneously experiencing the many facets of the familiar and unfamiliar. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "steve spangler" <sspangl@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Zorn disks for sale Date: 07 Jul 2001 20:30:34 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10723.ACD478A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been doing some collection cleaning over the last week or so, and = I have the following Zorn and related titles for sale on cd. Price = includes the shipping.=20 Single cd's available for $10.00: Redbird; Aporias; The String = Quartets; Madness Love & Mysticism; Songs from the Hermetic Theater; = Locus Solus; Cobra live at the Knitting Factory; Xu Feng; Nani Nani; = Kristallnacht; Ganryu Island; Absinthe (Naked City); Heretic (Naked = City); Yankees; Old Lo Flux Tube (features Zorn). For $15.00: Weird Little Boy I also have The Parachute Years 1977-1980 box set for sale for = $70.00--that also includes the shipping. I thought I'd offer this stuff to all of you before I take it to the = trade-in counter at the local record store. If anyone is interested, = just email me at sspangl@columbus.rr.com. Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10723.ACD478A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have been doing some collection = cleaning over the=20 last week or so, and I have the following Zorn and related titles for = sale on=20 cd. Price includes the shipping. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Single cd's available for = $10.00: =20 Redbird; Aporias; The String Quartets; Madness Love & Mysticism; = Songs from=20 the Hermetic Theater; Locus Solus; Cobra live at the Knitting Factory; = Xu Feng;=20 Nani Nani; Kristallnacht; Ganryu Island; Absinthe (Naked City); Heretic = (Naked=20 City); Yankees; Old Lo Flux Tube (features Zorn).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For $15.00: Weird Little = Boy</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also have The Parachute Years = 1977-1980 box set=20 for sale for $70.00--that also includes the shipping.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I thought I'd offer this stuff to all = of you before=20 I take it to the trade-in counter at the local record store. If anyone = is=20 interested, just email me at <A=20 href=3D"mailto:sspangl@columbus.rr.com">sspangl@columbus.rr.com</A>.</FON= T></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steve</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10723.ACD478A0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: musician, pimp thyself Date: 08 Jul 2001 18:44:43 -0700 I don't know how appropriate this sort of thing is, but in light of the fact that some of the stuff in question concerns performers discussed on this list, here goes... http://www.skipheller.com My own little web corner, complete with sound files (free) of my work with, among others, Uri Caine (some of my earliest demos), John Gilmore, and Ken Nordine. Sorry if this seems like a self-congradulatory posting, but in light of a few of the participants, I thought it may be reasonable. skip h np: my fiancee practicing Haydn on the electric piano - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "serge dautricourt" <sergedautricourt@hotmail.com> Subject: Japan venues Date: 07 Jul 2001 20:17:44 -0700 Hi folks, I'm going to japan later this month, and I was wondering if people knew of good concerts happening in Tokyo this summer. Or any down venues or websites. Thanks a lot, Serge _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: about Xu Feng Date: 08 Jul 2001 16:48:49 +0200 > For me, chaotic means "Locus Solus". Different conceptions, I > suppose. Really?? To me, it doesn't sound chaotic at all. Different conceptions indeed, I guess. "Locus solus" wasn't the first zorn-album I heard or bought, but it was the one that 'did it to me'. For sure!! After hearing this album, I just knew I wanted to hear/have everything from the man (I didn't know the dimensions of his discography at that time :-)). So I started to buy. And buy, and buy, and...; locus solus still being one of my favourites. Also interesting liner notes (by j.zorn): "Up to this point people either hated what i did - or loved it. But from locus solus on, the fans were divided against themselves, liking one group, hating another. You can't please everyone. From locus solus on, i found that i couldn't please anyone. Caveat emptor." BTW, could it be that Mr. Bungle's Disco Volante is named after the song disco volante on locus colus? > However, I can't help being surprised by the fact that you "don't know > whether you like the album or not". There are not (or there shouldn't be) > reasons to enjoy or dislike music, cinema, literature or whatever. You > simply like it or not. I agree. Ari. np: xenakis - chamber music 1955-1990 (thank you zorn-list for this recommendation!!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: about Xu Feng Date: 08 Jul 2001 15:35:24 -0000 >Also interesting liner notes (by j.zorn): "Up to this point people either >hated what i did - or loved it. But from locus solus on, the fans were >divided against themselves, liking one group, hating another. You can't >please everyone. From locus solus on, i found that i couldn't please >anyone. >Caveat emptor." He! That's pretty good! I had totally forgotten that one. I think both Zu Feng and Locus Solos are very noisy and chaotic. That's one of the reasons I love them. Ahh, Arto Lindsay... what happened to his rock-skronk follow up to "Aggregates 1-26"??? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@emd.pl> Subject: RE: about Xu Feng Date: 08 Jul 2001 18:08:50 +0200 Hi Philozorners, > Ahh, Arto Lindsay... what happened to his rock-skronk follow up to > "Aggregates 1-26"??? I asked him about it last year in Berlin (http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/artists/l/lindsay_arto/live/20000411.htm), and he said, the is not going to record anything like Aggregates in the near future. But, he promissed, that DNA will be re-issued soon. Aggregates is great, another record like it would be fantastic. __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] muzyka.emd.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Ustad Alla Rakha (was: bill laswell/ talvin singh) Date: 08 Jul 2001 21:46:07 +0200 kasra@ou.edu wrote: > > I picked up the album accidentally. I'm familiar with both musicians but had > never seen them collaborate. It's a tribute album to Ustad AllaRakkah (Tabla > Master). Hi y'all... Speaking of Ustad Alla Rakha. Has anyone ever heard the Rakha tabla duet CD with Zakir Hussain? Any comments? Thanks in advance! patRice np: John Zorn, Locus Solus nr: Timothy Clark, Ukiyo-e Paintings in the BM - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Ustad Alla Rakha (was: bill laswell/ talvin singh) Date: 08 Jul 2001 20:44:48 -0000 >Speaking of Ustad Alla Rakha. >Has anyone ever heard the Rakha tabla duet CD with Zakir Hussain? >Any comments? >Thanks in advance! Never heard it, but I remember back in the middle ages when some people from this list were interested in drum'n'bass and even jungle it was mentioned, as some sort of "inspiration". As it was told, it's should be severely amazing. >np: John Zorn, Locus Solus Oh, isn't it rather... unstructured? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Free Improv (sort of) Date: 09 Jul 2001 00:13:00 -0400 I see meaningless technique used in film just as much as in music. The movie (I won't even call it film) Requiem for a Dream was filled with it. There was little reason for split screens, fast forwards/slow motion, cameras affixed to actors, or excessive quick cut montages. It seemed that things that had meaning in Pi were just superfluous this time around for Arronofsky. Camera gimmicks, avant-garde techniques same thing. Sorry for the rant, Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com> Subject: Bunglefever Date: 09 Jul 2001 00:22:23 -0400 Was Bunglefever hacked into? There is a bizarre page up that is half in English and half in Spanish. Most of the Spanish is pretty unintelligible, but know un poco espanol. If any one knows the deal, I'd love to know. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: Ustad Alla Rakha (was: bill laswell/ talvin singh) Date: 09 Jul 2001 08:39:36 +0200 on 08-07-2001 21:46, patRice at iqhouse@yahoo.de wrote: > np: John Zorn, Locus Solus ahaaahh... :-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Laswell- Imaginary Cuba Date: 09 Jul 2001 02:25:12 EDT Anyone heard this? I've come close to buying it on several occasions, but always seem to put it back in favor of something else. Any good words on it may give me the impetus to make it to the cash register with the CD still in hand. I'm a fan of most Cuban music, though I lean toward a more brassy sound-if that helps any. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Locus Solus (was: Re: Ustad Alla Rakha) Date: 09 Jul 2001 09:44:33 +0200 Ari wrote: > > on 08-07-2001 21:46, patRice at iqhouse@yahoo.de wrote: > > > np: John Zorn, Locus Solus > > ahaaahh... :-) Well - just couldn't help it; had to put it on after the discussion on the list yesterday... Great "album", IMHO. Also enjoyed reading the liner notes again... patRice np: Zorn / Sato, Ganryu Island nr: sfa - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Locus Solus (was: Re: Ustad Alla Rakha) Date: 09 Jul 2001 09:45:05 +0200 Arthur Gadney wrote: > >>np: John Zorn, Locus Solus > > Oh, isn't it rather... unstructured? Well - who needs structure??? ;-) (Especially on a Sunday night... ;-)) patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Locus Solus (was: Re: Ustad Alla Rakha) Date: 10 Jul 2001 01:25:00 -0700 > Arthur Gadney wrote: >> >>> np: John Zorn, Locus Solus >> >> Oh, isn't it rather... unstructured? > > Well - who needs structure??? ;-) > (Especially on a Sunday night... ;-)) > > patRice > > - > I'm one of those people who never got with LOCUS SOLACE. Kept wondering if I was missing something, went back to it a few times, but there's something about it that sounds to me like it's groundwork for something a little more, for lack of better words, planned. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: squarepusher? (was: Ustad Alla Rakha) Date: 09 Jul 2001 11:05:02 +0200 on 08-07-2001 22:44, Arthur Gadney at a_gadney@hotmail.com wrote: > (...) I remember back in the middle ages when some people from > this list were interested in drum'n'bass and even jungle (...) > well, saturday squarepusher will perform here in belgium. i only have music is rotted one note (and like it). should i go? or should i choose for christian vogel (who will be here also)? or is it better to stay at home? ari. np: DNA - live at CBGB's - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Ustad Alla Rakha (was: bill laswell/ talvin singh) Date: 09 Jul 2001 11:25:01 +0200 patRice> Speaking of Ustad Alla Rakha. patRice> Has anyone ever heard the Rakha tabla duet CD with Zakir Hussain? patRice> Any comments? there is a recording "Tabla Duet" but as far as i remember it is a recording of classical indian music... and as far as i remember they are accompanied by other indian musicians. and it is not at all this tabla 'n' bass style of "tabla beat science" i hope this helps... PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://nav.to/timblech - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: Re: about Xu Feng Date: 09 Jul 2001 20:20:02 +1000 > BTW, could it be that Mr. Bungle's Disco Volante is named after the song > disco volante on locus colus? I think both are named after the boat in a James Bond movie, I think it was Thunderball. Mr Bungle also covered the theme song... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: Ganryu Island Date: 09 Jul 2001 13:09:54 +0200 Ok, Patrice, how's this one ? patRice wrote: > np: Zorn / Sato, Ganryu Island greetings, Rob @ risk np: Love Madness Mysticism - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Berman <steve@ims.uni-stuttgart.de> Subject: Re: nickelsdorf query Date: 09 Jul 2001 13:18:03 +0200 >>>>> "Vincent" == Vincent Kargatis / Anne Larson <lartis@ath.forthnet.gr> writes: Vincent> I see that Konfrontationen (www.konfrontationen.at) in Vincent> Nickelsdorf Austria 20-22 July has a pretty enticing Vincent> festival lineup. Anybody already planning on going? Vincent> Know anything about Nickelsdorf (lodging, venue info, Vincent> etc)? I'm planning to go (assuming my travel arrangements don't fall through), and like Andreas will be taking a tent. Hotel or other inside accommodations seem to be hard to come by. But you can camp out (for free) in the field behind the house with the currency exchange office on the main street of Nickelsdorf -- the one the Jazzgalerie is on, Untere Hauptstr. This seems to be a longstanding Konfrontationen tradition (AFAIK the house is owned by a relative of Hans Falb's; a bathroom and outside shower are available), and the best spots for hitching your tent get occupied pretty quick, so don't get there too late! It'd be nice to see you there! --Steve Berman - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen de Boer <jeroen@cyberslag.nl> Subject: zorn's computer equipment? Date: 09 Jul 2001 14:06:55 +0200 Hi all, I haven't heard Songs From The Hermetic Theatre yet, but it should be in the mail in short notice. My question however is if there's anyone here who knows what equipment/software Zorn uses when creating computermusic. Most of the electronic musicians I worked with/know use the combination Mac/max/msp. I'm curious to find out what Zorn uses. Thanks, Jeroen Jeroen de Boer content director Cyberslag Content Providing Damsterdiep 15 9711SG Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503115496 m +31 (0)624814506 f +31(0)503119447 jeroen@cyberslag.nl www.cyberslag.nl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: Gerry Hemingway/NY Composers Orch Date: 09 Jul 2001 23:56:45 +1000 I saw a cd the other day that looked interesting - Gerry Hemingway with Don Byron, Ernst Reijseger and others... Anyone know what it's like? Also, are the NY Composers Orchestra cds worth picking up? Thanks, Julian. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vel Net Site" <vel-net@vel-net.com> Subject: About Laraaji Date: 09 Jul 2001 16:22:54 +0200 Hello you all, A deepening and some news about Laraaji, a sensitive, loving and visionary musician who has won many people's heart with his healing zyther thanks to his natural ability to create meditative and joyful states. The Zyther is a stringed instrument with open tuning like Indian santoor, which produces a cascade of harmonics with a floating, hypnotic effect. Laraaji uses different tunings to obtain different harmonic and emotional possibilities. Besides he plays the zyther with a variety of traditional and no conventional techniques, plucking it, caressing it, striking it with several kinds of sticks and with brushes, grazing it etc. Since his debut with Day of radiance - Ambient 3 produced by Brian Eno, Laraaji has been inviting to collaborate with many musicians of the contemporary scene and he has published some cd which had a good international success. We list them below. Vel Net will soon publish his new work "My orangeness" that will be available in some weeks. It's an initiation run, recorded in the South of Italy, in an antique stone farm, with musicians of Vel Net artistic community, in which Laraaji take the various guests to meet a visitor arrived from other dimensions! Floating music, dreamy and coloured by this modern shaman. In the site www.vel-net.com it's possible to listen to some tracks of this cd yet. At the moment Laraaji is always out and around with his soloist performances (with two electrified Zythers and various FX boxes) and with his workshop on the use of the sound and the laughter as a method of self-healing and inner evolution. We foresee with Laraaji to have a "My orangeness " European and overseas tour for next autumn. Published cd Day Of Radiance Flow Goes The Universe Cascade Essence / Universe Celestial realms He has token part to: Divination " Sacrifice" with Bill Laswell Audio Active and Laraaji "The Way Out Is The Way In" Channel Light Vessel "Automatic" , "Excellent Spirits" whit Bill Nelson, Roger Eno. Clara Ponty "The Embrace" Sara leone Vel Net news - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@webmind.com> Subject: RE: Laswell- Imaginary Cuba Date: 09 Jul 2001 11:08:15 -0400 Hi ----- Anyone heard this? I've come close to buying it on several occasions, but always seem to put it back in favor of something else. Any good words on it may give me the impetus to make it to the cash register with the CD still in hand. I'm a fan of most Cuban music, though I lean toward a more brassy sound-if that helps any. ----- I'm not a bug fan of all laswell's de/re-construction work, but this one is good IMO. Taken in its entirety, the CD gives me a trance or dreamlike feel. Sorry to report there's not much brass - it's mainly percussion and chanting (some closer to santaria style), and later in the CD it moves into more melodic territory (guitars with the percussion, a balad, a dance track). There is another Double CD of similar stuff that I haven't heard, some of which is supposedly the originial tracks for the Imaginary Cuba CD. Anyone have opinions on this one compared to IC? tchau JM - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: zorn's computer equipment? Date: 09 Jul 2001 17:15:36 +0200 >From: Jeroen de Boer <jeroen@cyberslag.nl> > >I haven't heard Songs From The Hermetic Theatre yet, but it should be in >the >mail in short notice. My question however is if there's anyone here who >knows what equipment/software Zorn uses when creating computermusic. Most >of >the electronic musicians I worked with/know use the combination >Mac/max/msp. >I'm curious to find out what Zorn uses. sometime back we had a discussion about Zorn and the Zornlist and someone posted that he asked the man and he was surprised about the list but wouldn┤t participate because he didn┤t like and didn┤t use computers (as I remember)... Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis <regis@sounding.com> Subject: Re: squarepusher? (was: Ustad Alla Rakha) Date: 09 Jul 2001 10:14:40 -0500 On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:05:02AM +0200, Ari wrote: > on 08-07-2001 22:44, Arthur Gadney at a_gadney@hotmail.com wrote: > > > (...) I remember back in the middle ages when some people from > > this list were interested in drum'n'bass and even jungle (...) Those people are still here. :) > well, saturday squarepusher will perform here in belgium. i only have music > is rotted one note (and like it). should i go? or should i choose for > christian vogel (who will be here also)? or is it better to stay at home? As much as I love C. Vogel, I wouldn't pass up the chance to see Squarepusher this time around. His new album, "Go Plastic", is a truly amazing work of brilliant jerky f'ed up drum and bass 2-step madness. :) But for crying out loud, don't stay home! At least see one of them. You Europeans are spoiled by all the really good electronica - in the States it's all trance-this and trance-that... :) m - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: Re: New Zorn Date: 05 Jul 2001 16:00:04 EDT > I did hear the new Zorn and found no interest in it > after a first contact. > The computer compositions are just senseless noise > IMHO. I couldn't say it's even hilarious or > entertaining in some way. There was also a composition > with a recitation that could be relatively > highlightable. > All in all, a dull Zorn's release. Boring and > gratuitous and pretentious are the words that come to > my mind Ok. Well. I'm not going to say that Zorn hasn't seemed kind of pretentious, especially as of late, though some of his self-love does hearken back to the liner notes of Spillane. I'm not going to say that the new release is particularly genius, but I will contend that it is at least an inspired collection. Zorn's been at sort of a compositional block lately, I think. What attracted me to his work in the first place was the endless eclecticism and constant striving for new means of musical expression. That stuff is very clear up until the last couple of years. Then, there was a flood of Masada-related stuff, which while I respect, I will admit it got a little bit too comfortable for Zorn at times. A couple of collections of chamber/string pieces, which were written not so recently, and other "classical" compositions, etc.. Zorn looks like he's trying very hard to cement his validity as an important avant-garde composer, which rankles, especially considering most of us (at least on this list) already believe he is, and besides us, who else really matters? Anyway, the new collection, one computer piece and one electronic piece that sound REMARKABLY similar, a piece for Maya Deren, and a piece for Beuys, is at least a very clear break from the recent rehashing. Instead of continuing to hone and refine his skills, as he did on his last chamber release, and the Masada live series, he's back to experimenting, and I, for one, am glad. The electronics pieces do not sound like senseless noise. They are very, very active compositions, however. There is not much in the way of silence and the sounds are distinctly digital, rather than implementing any sort of sampling.. The closest analogy I can make would probably be to Morton Subotnick, or at least one of those computers you hear in cartoons from the 70's. There are definitely some polyphonic rhythmic things happening, though, and some very interesting uses high sine-wave frequencies and white noise as a disrupting factor. The Maya Deren piece, I felt, was the real failure of the album. Who really thinks that bass guitar feedback is that interesting? I really loved "Redbird", and this ain't no "Redbird". I'm not entirely sure what my reasoning is, but I really found the Deren piece to be entirely a failure, except for the sample of Maya Deren speaking, and that was only because she has something interesting to say. The real stand-out piece is "Beuyblock", the instrumentation was nicely assembled, though I felt the implementation of more traditional instruments, the violin and the piano, were sort of a concession on Zorn's behalf. Though I do feel it is the strongest work on the album, I also felt rather let down by it. The were so many compositional possibilities with the instrumentation selected on the new cd, and it seems like Zorn just ignored them and focused on the instrumentation itself. Which would be enough for, say, Morton Feldman. I don't know. I'd like to see him continue in this line of work, and I give him credit for not jumping on the IDM bandwagon or just making some piece of Musique Concrete, but this album just isn't the bomb-diggity as I was hoping. from, matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Fwd: Satoko Fujii Quartet@Moers Date: 08 Jul 2001 16:22:47 -0000 Hello Zorners I tried sending this a few times before, but I think it never made it through. It was around the time of The Big Zornlist Crash, at least... [zorn-list-owner note: it was probably because this message is so large...the list has a max message size filter to catch spam and attachments] I thought it might interest some of you. It came from the japan psych list. >From: carson <Bush@gmx.co.uk> >To: jap list <jpsyc@noise.as> >Subject: Satoko Fujii Quartet@Moers >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:50:59 +0200 > >Satoko Fujii Quartet, Moers, 3Jun2001 > >Fujii Satoko - p >Tamura Natsuki - tp >Hayakawa Takeharu - el-b >Yoshida Tatsuya - dr > >You may wanna skip this review since the event is pretty well documented. >Bootlegs exist (I have 2) and the WDR will probably broadcast their set >later. Anybody interested can email me off list. There╣s a teaser at >http://www.moers-festival.com/live/index.html. >In April they recorded a CD at GOK (esp. with Moers in mind) which arrived >from the pressing plant 2 days before the quartet left Japan. The CDs they >brought to Moers sold out in few minutes, but I suppose it will be >available >in distribution. It╣s out on Libra Records. >(http://www.cameco.co.jp/cd/web_home/libra.htm) > >Bear with me if this is too much a Yoshida review. I╣ll try my best. Also, >I >really hate when reviews get too specific about the music (because most >critics just wanna show that they think they know what a modulation is >etc). >But since I suspect that someone might be curious how this kind of odd >line-up adds up I╣ll try to describe the songs. Skip it if you can╣t stand >it. > >1: Junction (Fujii) >A (mid 70s) Keith Jarrett kind of rock tune. Repeated ostinato with free >playing on top. Loud but pretty straight drums and lots of energetic piano >all over the place (Cecil Taylor kind of thing). Distorted bass solo over >repeated drum pattern. Free piano solo alone. Very powerful little jazz >pianist, that. Probably the smallest giant since Petrucciani but with a lot >more balls in my opinion (I suppose I didn╣t have to write that but since I >probably won╣t ever write a jazz review again I couldn╣t help myself). >Expressive trumpet solo with almost a kind of Albert Ayler vibrato. >[Downbeat here I come! :-) But seriously...] > >2: LH Fast (Fujii) >The title says it. A fast unison line in the low end of the piano. Pretty >similar to Ruins╣ Olivier Messiaen Cover Song (for those lucky enough to >have heard that) which is based on a movement from Visions de l╣Amen, or >Messiaen╣s Danse De La Fureur from Quartour Pour Le Fin De Temps. Just >piano >and drums (according to Yoshida the other two guys couldn╣t play it). They >played it even faster than on the CD. The kind of song which gains power >the >faster you play it. Hearing this song it was obvious why she had chosen >Yoshida. Direct segue into.... > >3: Incident (Tamura) >Based on a slow walking 4-note ostinato. Sensual expressive trumpet on top >(slight New Orleans vibe to it). Short spastic bursts from piano and drums. >Then bass and drums playing free, finally settling in a rock groove with >piano solo on top. In the bass/drum section I obviously couldn╣t help >comparing with Ruins. The sound wasn╣t as hard as most Ruins, but apart >from >that the difference was kind of subtle compared to a free Ruins section >(Hayakawa didn╣t use a flatpick, but nevermind...). Here I had the feeling >of 2 musicians who were chasing each others very closely. With Ruins, at >their best, I have more a feeling of telepathy, like they don╣t listen to >what the other guy is playing and then react, they just instinctively play >in perfect sync no matter how many twists and turns they make. Does that >make sense? Anyways, the level (not the sound level) in Moers was very >high. >It wasn╣t Ruins and shouldn╣t be rated as such. > >4: Ninepin (Fujii) >Free solo bass intro. The theme could actually have been Petrucciani (or >Chick Corea or Keith Jarrett or...) . Underneath it a 1-note 9/8 ostinato. >Kind of folk-ish (whatever that means!). Ok trumpet solo with great 4-tet >playing. Powerful, dynamic piano solo including long expressive rubato >passages, most of the time the trio playing kicks ass. Solid drum solo, in >tempo, with straight 16th notes almost all the way through, kind of clean >and disciplined...maybe a bit too clean and disciplined. Thankfully >Yoshida >introduced a bit of anarchy after his solo when he locked in an 11/8 >pattern >for the 9/8 theme. Let╣s face it: I think it was a mistake - but everyone >was cool (Hayakawa just played along with Yoshida╣s pattern and after a >while with that Fujii just started playing the theme and after a few bars >the other two adjusted their accents to fit, Tamura joined the party on the >repetition of the theme). I could very easily imagine Jim Black (who has >played with Fujii) play this song, but it probably wouldn╣t sound anything >like this did. > >5: Explorer (Tamura) >The intro reminded me a bit of ICP Orchestra. Free bass and short >Weill-like >phrases on the trumpet, the piano sometimes joining the trumpet line >sometimes playing free. The next section was a fast, free section with >Fujii >and Yoshida playing wild fast stuff and the other two playing slow lines >mostly. Finally a short line like the trumpet in the beginning to finish >the >thing. > >6: The Sun in a moonlight night (Fujii) >This is the song which opens the CD. It starts off with a solo vocal >improvisation by Yoshida. This gave me goosebumps. Unlike anything I have >heard before (even from Yoshida). An outstanding, unique and super weird >performance. The main theme was based on a funky-almost-salsa kind of >thing, >but Yoshida overruled with a straight rock beat. Later it cut to a very >slow >tango kind of thing: First a bass solo accompanied by piano alone. After a >while Yoshida sneaked in. The sound clip on the Moers site starts a bit >into >the vocal solo intro of this tune. > >As a whole I think the quartet worked well. They were all obviously >exellent >musicians. If they had a chance to do a longer tour (they have been playing >together occationally over the last 2 or 3 years) I think they would >stretch >more, which is probably what I missed a little bit: Even if there was a lot >of free playing I had the feeling that it was often a somewhat fomal kind >of >îfree╣ - not really stretching. But still they played better than on the CD >which is actually very good. The response was good (no encores, tho). >People >were even standing in the aisles of the tent - a wild guess would be there >were 1500-2000 people maybe more. > >All in all it was interesting to hear Yoshida as a sideman in a piano >quartet. None of the music was based on any sort of swing feel, and he >could >pretty much do his thing without much adjustment. What really struck me was >how unique he is. Obviously he has his heros, but in this context, >ironically, his own personality really shone through. (But then again, his >own projects are more unique than what you sometimes hear about him - to >call him a Vander rip-off, as you often hear, is rediculous; the influence >is there, obviously, but more than that he is totally unique. To compare >Ruins with Magma is like comparing Coltrane with Lester Young or Haino with >Clapton...No wait: Frith with Hank B Marvin! But I╣m getting dogmatic >now...) I think the choice of a bass player and drummer who are not from >the >jazz tradition (maybe Hayakawa has played more jazz than Yoshida) is what >really makes this quartet something else. I admit I don╣t know so much >Japanese jazz, though. When I heard Hayakawa he reminded me a bit of >Hiroshi >Higo╣s kind of punky playing. Yoshida is the only member of the quartet >I╣ve heard before, but I imagine that he brings out the more aggressive >side >in Fujii (whereas she seems to bring out the gentler sides in him) - I >would >imagine that eg. Jim Black╣s playing would be more colorful and sensitive, >but I love Yoshida╣s energy. That said I didn╣t have the sense of some >devil >riding him as I often do. It was more a sense of an outstanding sideman >doing a good job. > >BTW >At the concert I was thinking: │Wonder what it would sound like if Yoshida >played with brushes▓. On the CD he actually does play a little bit with >brushes. Nothing spectacular, but it╣s definitely something new! Another >thing which struck me about his playing which was suddenly clear in this >context where you might expect some kind of jazz drummer: He never plays >rolls, always single strokes - but sometimes extremely fast single strokes. >Any jazz drummer would roll all over the place. > > > >Martin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Free Improve (sort of) Date: 09 Jul 2001 15:43:57 -0000 >From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com> > >There was little reason for split screens, fast forwards/slow motion, >cameras affixed to actors, or excessive quick cut montages. Camera >gimmicks, avant-garde techniques same thing. Perhaps used in an attempt to replicate the mental state of 'drug' users? Or should a director just use one stationary fixed focus camera? Was the long crane shot at the beginning of 'Touch Of Evil' just a gimmick? Is Von Trier's 'Dogma 95' just a gimmick? Dunno, depends on the result...it's funny because I can completely understand why people hate Aronofsky's films, oops sorry, movies, but personally I luv 'em. Watch 'em over and over! Ellen Burstyn's amazing performance is all the recommendation one needs to watch 'Requiem For A Dream'. In the documentary 'Jimi Hendrix' there's a telling moment where Jimi loses his cool when asked why he uses, yup you guessed it, 'gimmicks'! I suppose there are those who can't see the trees for the... np: Fred Anderson Robert Barry Duets 2001 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Gerry Hemingway/NY Composers Orch Date: 09 Jul 2001 12:02:35 EDT In a message dated 7/9/01 9:57:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes: << Also, are the NY Composers Orchestra cds worth picking up? >> I've got one of them-can't find it now for title purposes. It's pretty straight-ahead post-bop big-band stuff...nothing really wild. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pierre=20Toussaint?= <pierrecharlestoussaint@yahoo.ca> Subject: good/bad music Date: 09 Jul 2001 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Kurt Weill once said there's only good and bad music. I'm not sure. What's true is that I love some music and I hate some. There's no problem there. But, I'm sorry, there's something in between. In my case, and taking Zorn's stuff for example, I still am uncertain about my opinions about his game pieces. I find them interesting, which is maybe a different way of saying I like them. But I don't listen to them often and couldn't say I find them really good. Sure thing is I once hated them (heard all the cobra stuff a couple of years ago) but today I understand - I think - them more thus I can get something from them. But still, I'd never give up a Masada quartet cd for a game piece that's for sure. I think opinion can be exist between good and bad, if not, it's manicheism or over-simplification. One thing for sure, I know what I like and don't like. But there's lots of stuff in between. Things that I don't grasp yet, things that have too many flaws for my taste, things that contradict my state of mind, etc. It's like grading papers for undergrads. It easy to give A's and D's. But everything in between, we'll, it's not easy and completely subjective. Pierre Toussaint - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Locus Solus (was: Re: Ustad Alla Rakha) Date: 09 Jul 2001 09:15:54 -0700 On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:25:00 -0700 Skip Heller wrote: > > I'm one of those people who never got with LOCUS SOLACE. Kept wondering if > I was missing something, went back to it a few times, but there's something > about it that sounds to me like it's groundwork for something a little more, > for lack of better words, planned. Locus Solus is about the instant. Trying to say the maximum in the minimum amount of time (like DNA). This is not a Mahler symphony and your critical approach has to adjust to the objective in mind. The record is not perfect (like what you would expect from one where the musicians are taking risks), but the hights are awesome, like "The Violent Death Of Dutch Schultz", and the global energy and power of the record is... dearly missed these days. This is music that only Zorn could do and this record triggered the initial excitement about him. Planned? This is neither Masada. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: about Xu Feng Date: 09 Jul 2001 09:04:13 -0700 On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:08:50 +0200 "Artur Nowak" wrote: > > Hi Philozorners, > > > Ahh, Arto Lindsay... what happened to his rock-skronk follow up to > > "Aggregates 1-26"??? > > I asked him about it last year in Berlin > (http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/artists/l/lindsay_arto/live/20000411.htm), and he > said, the is not going to record anything like Aggregates in the near > future. But, he promissed, that DNA will be re-issued soon. Aggregates is > great, another record like it would be fantastic. The KF listed one record at one time: *** - ???: Arto Lindsay 1996 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), KFWCD-187 (CD) Note: not released yet. # Announced in the 96 KF catalog (01/11/96): # "Released in 1996" Yes, the catalog listed it as... released. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Locus Solus (was: Re: Ustad Alla Rakha) Date: 10 Jul 2001 09:21:41 -0700 > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:25:00 -0700 Skip Heller wrote: >> >> I'm one of those people who never got with LOCUS SOLACE. Kept wondering if >> I was missing something, went back to it a few times, but there's something >> about it that sounds to me like it's groundwork for something a little more, >> for lack of better words, planned. > > Locus Solus is about the instant. Trying to say the maximum in the minimum > amount of time (like DNA). This is not a Mahler symphony and your critical > approach has to adjust to the objective in mind. The record is not perfect > (like what you would expect from one where the musicians are taking risks), > but the hights are awesome, like "The Violent Death Of Dutch Schultz", and > the global energy and power of the record is... dearly missed these days. > This is music that only Zorn could do and this record triggered the initial > excitement about him. Planned? This is neither Masada. > > Patrice. You sound like me describing ARCHERY. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: zorn's computer equipment? Date: 09 Jul 2001 18:49:25 +0200 on 09-07-2001 17:15, Andreas Dietz at andreasdietz@hotmail.com wrote: >> From: Jeroen de Boer <jeroen@cyberslag.nl> >>=20 >> I haven't heard Songs From The Hermetic Theatre yet, but it should be in >> the >> mail in short notice. >=20 > sometime back we had a discussion about Zorn and the Zornlist and someone > posted that he asked the man and he was surprised about the list but > wouldn=B4t participate because he didn=B4t like and didn=B4t use computers (as = I > remember)... Are the songs from the hermetic theatre in one way or another comparable with the "soundsculptures" on Filmworks IV?? Zorn made these with the help of David Shea because, as he said himself, "I know very little about electronic equipment, and even less about computers". But that was in 1994, so maybe he learned something about these things in the last 7 years. np: hajime / eye - nani nani - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> Subject: Xu Feng and others... Date: 09 Jul 2001 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) --0-505180374-994697999=:64719 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I first bought Xu Feng I was extremely disappointed, especially given the line up... After listening to Massacre (w/ Fred Frith) my thoughts on Xu Feng have come almost full circle... I now find the album enjoyable and interesting... yet I'm unable to account for the change in attitude (even after scrutinizing my "inner-self" - don't laugh now)... I adore the Tracks on Taboo and Exile that feature the line up: Ribot, Frith, Lombardo, and Laswell and have enjoyed the pieces much more over a period of listens... Perhaps this is the key, perhaps it's how one "feels," for lack of a better term, on a particular day, plus or minus the amount of times one has heard the song... plus or minus (enter your varible here.) Locus Solus? Great album... -Theo Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-505180374-994697999=:64719 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P>When I first bought Xu Feng I was extremely disappointed, especially given the line up... After listening to Massacre (w/ Fred Frith) my thoughts on Xu Feng have come almost full circle... I now find the album enjoyable and interesting... yet I'm unable to account for the change in attitude (even after scrutinizing my "inner-self" - don't laugh now)... I adore the Tracks on Taboo and Exile that feature the line up: Ribot, Frith, Lombardo, and Laswell and have enjoyed the pieces much more over a period of listens... Perhaps this is the key, perhaps it's how one "feels," for lack of a better term, on a particular day, plus or minus the amount of times one has heard the song... plus or minus (enter your varible here.)</P> <P> Locus Solus? Great album... </P> <P>-Theo</P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year!<BR><a href="http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=tagline">http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/</a> --0-505180374-994697999=:64719-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Free Improve (sort of) Date: 09 Jul 2001 12:54:48 -0400 I don't hate Arronofsky, I just hated his most recent work. I loved Pi and thought everything he used in it contributed to the single effect of Max's madness. The tricks were warranted and implemented well, as they are in other films. I found the "gimmicks" in Requiem for a Dream to be gratuitous if even warranted at all. The gimmicks detracted from the grittiness that was also attempted. The acting, though done well (even a decent performance from Jared Leto), was over shadowed by the "artsy" camera work. I haven't given up on Arronofsky, but I think he should cool it with the "cool" camera tricks for his next film (I hope it can be called such). He is talented, maybe just inexperienced. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Locus Solus Date: 09 Jul 2001 18:01:10 A couple of things: 1) I'm in the minority that likes this album, esp. the tracks w/ Marclay and Blegvad, then the ones at the end w/ Whiz Kid and M. Miller. It was one of the first Zorn things I heard, and I instantly liked it, although it is hard to explain why, so I will refrain form attempting at the moment ... I don't listen to it everyday, but like Patrice says there is an excitement to it that isn't always there with Zorn's stuff. I think it is a LOT more "rock and roll" than so much rock/punk/whatever, though; maybe that is just me being swayed by the liner notes. 2) Speaking of the liner notes, in the CD, Zorn mentions something about his "original liner notes" for the album, but for some reason they are not reproduced in the CD. I would love to see these ... Does anyone know where they can be found (aside from in the record)??? 3) I also noticed the "Disco Volante" coincidence, but like someone else pointeeed out, it must be the James Bond connection. It is interesting how many (well, maybe just a few) of the other titles have also shown up as band or album names (White Zombie, Sign of the Four, Locus Solus, etc.), but again, it's probably something to do w/ Zorn using all these archetypal or referential phrases/terms/etc. Still, I think this is probably one of those albums that you would either really get into, or really not get into, so there's no use beating yourself up trying ... WY (currently in third consecutive (work) day of listening to entire Anthony Braxton "Willisau (Quartet) 1991" 4CD set ... I'm shooting for the record on this) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com> Subject: squarepusher and others Date: 09 Jul 2001 14:40:00 -0400 I also enjoyed music is rotted one note and have been trying to find more music that blends real instruments with electronic sounds or manipulation. The best material I have found has been from Tortoise, mainly from their newest release, standards. Other groups I have found have been Flanger [their first realease, the second sounded really disappointing] Isotope 217 [the potential is there] Fontanelle, and Bablicon [another group that has potential] Any other suggestions would be appreciated. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis <regis@sounding.com> Subject: Re: squarepusher and others Date: 09 Jul 2001 13:50:59 -0500 The list of groups that use instrument samples and add in their own live stuff is pretty huge. Soul Caughing, Amon Tobin, DJ Food, Ben Neill, DJ Spooky, etc etc etc. Also don't forget the non-beatful crowd, Pauline Oliveros and the Deep Listening Band (add David Gamper and Stewart Dempster) do extensive work with electro-acoustic music (yes, there is a name for it). On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:40:00PM -0400, jason tors wrote: > I also enjoyed music is rotted one note and have been trying to find > more music that blends real instruments with electronic sounds or > manipulation. The best material I have found has been from Tortoise, > mainly from their newest release, standards. Other groups I have > found have been Flanger [their first realease, the second sounded > really disappointing] Isotope 217 [the potential is there] > Fontanelle, and Bablicon [another group that has potential] > > Any other suggestions would be appreciated. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: new tzadik Date: 09 Jul 2001 18:56:05 -0000 from www.tonic107.com Rovo: Japanese underground supergroup. Rovo is centered on the duo of guitarist Yamamoto Seiichi (also of The Boredoms) and electric violinist Katsui Yuji (Bondage Fruit, Demi Semi Quaver), joined by bass, keyboards and electronics, turntables, two drummers and an array of traditional percussion, gongs, and wind instruments. On record, and onstage during their mind-blowing live performances, Rovo brings these ingredients together to create a rich sonic stew comprising elements of Kraut-rock, indie space-rock, dub, trance, techno, and jam-oriented psychedelic drum-circle freak-out. Rovo's debut release, "Imago" was recently released on the Incidental Music label out of San Francisco. These concerts are being recorded for a live release on Tzadik. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com> Subject: Xu Feng and others Date: 09 Jul 2001 14:59:17 -0400 I fell for Xu Feng immediately, the first time I listened to it was at my painting studio, it created the perfect sound track. Xu feng, alasnoaxis and the most recent yeah no album were in rotation for about three months, they had quite an impact on the overall outcome of the work during that time. nr: Edie, biography of Edie Sedgewick + Log from the sea of cortez, Steinbeck np : charles lloyd : love in _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David John Howarth" <david@bundom.clara.co.uk> Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #492 Date: 09 Jul 2001 21:06:50 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C108BB.12944CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Friday 6th July Caleb T. Dupree wrote: > There are five Divination albums, and the one with Laswell and Laraaji = on > electric zither is Sacrifice. It is the most meditational of all the > Divination albums, not dubby at all. For the dub side, look for the = first > two, Ambient Dub and Ambient Dub 2: Dead Slow. There is also a 2cd = set, > Akasha, which is one disc of d&b, and one of ambient remixes. The = fourth, > Distill, is eight tracks on 2 cds, each credited to a separate person (such > as Paul Schutze, Thomas K=3DF6ner, Laswell, etc.). Distill, like = Sacrifice, i=3D > s > more beatless, more concentration on drones. Caleb, David over in London here (you've woken me up from a 2 year lurk... = probably not a record) Amongst my small-ish set of Laswell I have Divination "Light In = Extension vol 1 and 2" a double cd on Stoned Heights / 4th & Broadway came out in 1994. Line-up is Laswell; Liu Sola; Jeff Bova; Nicky Skopelitis; Buckethead = and Robert Musso on vol 1 Laswell; Jah Wobble; Mick Harris and Jeff Bova on vol 2 the first track = of which is called "Dead Slow" I'm guessing this is the set you call "Ambient Dub 1 / 2" ? And before I doze off again great to see that the list got over its tech problems and a big shout to beat buddy William Crump who will probably fall out = of his chair when he reads this. Cheers David Howarth ps this is a bit late as it got bounced once, sorry Mike! ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C108BB.12944CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#c8e0d8> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>> On Friday 6th July = Caleb T.=20 Dupree wrote:<BR><BR>> There are five Divination albums, and the one = with=20 Laswell and Laraaji on<BR>> electric zither is Sacrifice. It is = the=20 most meditational of all the<BR>> Divination albums, not dubby at = all. =20 For the dub side, look for the first<BR>> two, Ambient Dub and = Ambient Dub 2:=20 Dead Slow. There is also a 2cd set,<BR>> Akasha, which is one = disc of=20 d&b, and one of ambient remixes. The fourth,<BR>> Distill, = is eight=20 tracks on 2 cds, each credited to a separate person<BR>(such<BR>> as = Paul=20 Schutze, Thomas K=3DF6ner, Laswell, etc.). Distill, like=20 Sacrifice,<BR>i=3D<BR>> s<BR>> more beatless, more concentration = on=20 drones.<BR><BR> Caleb,<BR><BR>David over in London here = (you've=20 woken me up from a 2 year lurk... probably<BR>not a = record)<BR><BR>Amongst my=20 small-ish set of Laswell I have Divination "Light In Extension<BR>vol 1 = and=20 2"<BR>a double cd on Stoned Heights / 4th & Broadway came out in=20 1994.<BR>Line-up is Laswell; Liu Sola; Jeff Bova; Nicky Skopelitis; = Buckethead=20 and<BR>Robert Musso on vol 1<BR>Laswell; Jah Wobble; Mick Harris and = Jeff Bova=20 on vol 2 the first track of<BR>which is called "Dead Slow"<BR><BR>I'm = guessing=20 this is the set you call "Ambient Dub 1 / 2" ?<BR><BR>And before I doze = off=20 again great to see that the list got over its tech<BR>problems<BR>and a = big=20 shout to beat buddy William Crump who will probably fall out of<BR>his=20 chair<BR>when he reads this.<BR>Cheers<BR>David = Howarth</FONT><BR><BR>ps =20 this is a bit late as it got bounced once, sorry=20 Mike!</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C108BB.12944CE0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: zorn's computer equipment? Date: 09 Jul 2001 22:20:18 +0200 Are the songs from the hermetic theatre in one way or another comparable with the "soundsculptures" on Filmworks IV?? They're not at all comparable. This seems to me absolutely gratuitous, while Fimworks IV was amazing, IMHO. so maybe he learned something about these things in the last 7 years. I don't think so. Regards, EfrΘn del Valle n.p: John Coltrane "Sunship" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump <william@steno.com> Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #492 Date: 09 Jul 2001 13:38:42 -0700 David John Howarth wrote: > And before I doze off again great to see that the list got over its > tech > problems > and a big shout to beat buddy William Crump who will probably fall out > of > his chair > when he reads this. Color me floored! Welcome to the list, homebrew! This is the beginning of the big Frank's Apa takeover or my name's not... uh... oh, yeah: William Crump - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: Ganryu Island Date: 10 Jul 2001 00:06:46 +0200 Rob Allaert wrote: > Ok, Patrice, > > how's this one ? > > patRice wrote: > > > np: Zorn / Sato, Ganryu Island > > Hey Rob... I do find describing music VERY difficult... So I hope you got enough feedback to your question from other list-members; I quite liked and up to a certain extent agreed on what other people said about Locus Solus. patRice np: Talvin Singh, Ha nr: Huck Spaulding, Tattooing A - Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: zorn's computer equipment? Date: 10 Jul 2001 00:08:47 +0200 Efr=E9n del Valle wrote: > so maybe he learned something about these things in the last 7 years. > > I don't think so. > I'm not sure whether my memory's serving me right here, but didn't Zorn m= ention something in the Duckworth book (which came out around 94 or 96...) about putting stuff (written music) into the computer and listening to the resu= lt (music)? patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Locus Solus Date: 09 Jul 2001 18:36:49 EDT In a message dated 7/9/01 2:02:15 PM, william_york@hotmail.com writes: << I'm in the minority that likes this album >> is it really a minority? I think if I was forced to get rid of all my Zorn discs save one, this would be the one I'd keep. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: re Laswell- Imaginary Cuba Date: 09 Jul 2001 19:02:38 EDT In a message dated 7/9/01 8:13:38 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << From: Dgasque@aol.com Anyone heard this? ,,,,I'm a fan of most Cuban music, though I lean toward a more brassy sound-if that helps any. >> there are two comps like that that laswell did, im told. i heard one was a 2cd in slipcase, which, tho i am no fan of laswells, i loved it! and it was of older recordings re-what-evered by laswell. it did have that brassy ethnic flavor you crave; i.e. was more the musicians than laswell's processing. i think it was put out by a french or brasilian label(?) i heard it at downtown music gallery and intend to buy it. im confused. im listening to really noisy things now and loving it. steve koenig n.p. gravitus: manifold records(.com) n.r. zornlist oh, and carmen mcrae biog 'miss jazz' by leslie gourse, billboard books - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: laswell cuba Date: 09 Jul 2001 19:11:55 EDT In a message dated 7/9/01 8:13:38 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << There is another Double CD of similar stuff that I haven't heard, some of which is supposedly the originial tracks for the Imaginary Cuba CD. Anyone have opinions on this one compared to IC? tchau >> hi guys julian, diregards my previous personal letter, this "other' is the one i heard, which also has or uses the original tracks, i heard that one at downtown music gallery and loved it. more ethnic than laswell. steve koenig n.p. new parakayorgis trio on leo- great stuff - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com> Subject: Re: Locus Solus Date: 09 Jul 2001 20:04:03 -0400 At 04:37 PM 7/9/2001 -0600, JonAbbey wrote: >is it really a minority? I think if I was forced to get rid of all my Zorn >discs save one, this would be the one I'd keep. Agreed. I think this is one of his finest (maybe other than Naked City)- in fact, I wish there were a lot more like it. I don't remember reading any bad reviews for this. Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Locus Solus Date: 09 Jul 2001 21:17:36 EDT In a message dated Mon, 9 Jul 2001 6:44:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 7/9/01 2:02:15 PM, william_york@hotmail.com writes: << I'm in the minority that likes this album >> is it really a minority? I think if I was forced to get rid of all my Zorn discs save one, this would be the one I'd keep. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - >> Make the count three, though I'd trade this one before my Masada stuff, and probably the Naked City stuff...and probably _TBG_ and _Spillaine_...and -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: re Laswell- Imaginary Cuba Date: 09 Jul 2001 21:21:10 EDT In a message dated Mon, 9 Jul 2001 7:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Acousticlv@aol.com writes: n.p. gravitus: manifold records(.com) n.r. zornlist oh, and carmen mcrae biog 'miss jazz' by leslie gourse, billboard books >> Thanks for the words on the Laswell. I assume the "n.p." is the new Gravitar? Smokin' album... -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "doron galili" <doronjgalili@hotmail.com> Subject: syr5 trio Date: 10 Jul 2001 06:25:11 Hello you all! I am not sure if this topic was not already discussed on the list, but what can you tell me about syr5 album? (kim Gordon / dj olive / mori) a very interesting line up, though I havenÆt got a clue how it sounds like. Thanks! d. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> Subject: Fred Frith - Clearing Date: 10 Jul 2001 03:43:25 -0700 (PDT) --0-1280133068-994761805=:60224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just got Fred Frith's "Clearing" CD in the mail yesterday and Wow, it's quite good... Solo guitar and totally unique... Very little distorted guitars on the album... more of an acoustic sound with a sampler and some other effects (and overdubing)... One of the tracks is dedicated to Bill Frisell... Overall, I find the recording well worth the $$$, and as with almost anything Frith does, I'm sure it'll stand up to repeat listenings... This is the record of a mature musician with a refreshingly unique voice... Check it out... -Theo Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1280133068-994761805=:60224 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P> I just got Fred Frith's "Clearing" CD in the mail yesterday and Wow, it's quite good... Solo guitar and totally unique... Very little distorted guitars on the album... more of an acoustic sound with a sampler and some other effects (and overdubing)... One of the tracks is dedicated to Bill Frisell... Overall, I find the recording well worth the $$$, and as with almost anything Frith does, I'm sure it'll stand up to repeat listenings... This is the record of a mature musician with a refreshingly unique voice... Check it out...</P> <P>-Theo</P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year!<BR><a href="http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=tagline">http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/</a> --0-1280133068-994761805=:60224-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Merzbow Date: 10 Jul 2001 14:52:30 +0200 Hi y'all... 2 questions re: Merzbow - Which CD is a good starting point for a noise newbie? And can any comment on the Merzbow collaboration "A Perfect Pain", with Genesis P. Orridge? (BTW: anyone from this list know what GPO has been up to?) patRice np: Madrid De Los Austrias, Amor nr: Japan Tattoo Institute, Horihide's World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Arronofsky (was: free improv) Date: 10 Jul 2001 07:51:42 -0500 (CDT) apologies for the non-zorn content. zach writes: "I haven't given up on Arronofsky, but I think he should cool it with the "cool" camera tricks for his next film (I hope it can be called such)." I read somewhere that his next film (or one of them) is a live-action adaptation of the popular (in the us, at least) children's animated television show, 'batman beyond'. However, i also note that Variety reports he's attached to direct 'batman: year one', the fifth installment in the already established live-action batman franchise. whatever the case, i think he may pull it off nicely, even with (or because of) the tricks. nicely in comparison to other action-adventure movies, that is. whit np - soft boys, a can of bees - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks <andywmarks@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Merzbow Date: 10 Jul 2001 06:16:48 -0700 (PDT) I always recommend "Music For Bondage Performance 2" which is on Extreme. It's still in print as far as I know. Most tracks fall in the 4-6 minute range so it easily digestable and you get a nice variety as well. So it's not just one big long monster track like some of his releases. The music is in the industrial/power electronic vein, as opposed to his "junk" music type stuff. That said, there is one 30 minute ambient piece at the end which is more subdued than the rest of the album, and seems like a left over from "Music for Bondage Performance 1". Another good one might be the Merzbow sampler, also on Extreme. The difference here is that this one covers 20 years of material, so you get a good overview of the different types of stuff he has done over the years. Again, most tracks aren't too long, with some being excerpts of tracks which are much longer in original form. Then again you could always just dive in wallet first and drop $500 on the Merzbox. :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: Philly Experiment Date: 10 Jul 2001 12:30:57 -0500 (CDT) I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The Roots) called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... kasra george ahmadi - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Philly Experiment Date: 10 Jul 2001 10:37:45 -0700 On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:30:57 -0500 (CDT) kasra@ou.edu wrote: > > I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration > between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The Roots) > called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only > listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... What label? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: Re: Philly Experiment Date: 10 Jul 2001 12:41:41 -0500 (CDT) If my mind serves me correctly, it's called Ropeadope Records. kga On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:30:57 -0500 (CDT) kasra@ou.edu wrote: > > I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration > between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The Roots) > called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only > listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... What label? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Philly Experiment Date: 11 Jul 2001 10:49:16 -0700 > I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration > between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The > Roots) > called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only > listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... > kasra george ahmadi > > - > I ran out and bought the thing and, at best, it's fair to middling. Not really a well-matched trio, and Pat Martino sounds stiff. And this is coming from someone who's been an Uri fan since about 1982. On the plus side, it's beautifully recorded. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com> Subject: RE: Philly Experiment Date: 10 Jul 2001 14:33:02 -0400 it's nothing really groundbreaking, but cool, funky stuff. Bonus points to anyone who covers Marvin Gaye AND Sun Ra on the same album. Ropeadope was founded by John Medeski and his manager (i think). -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:49 PM > I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration > between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The > Roots) > called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only > listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... > kasra george ahmadi > > - > I ran out and bought the thing and, at best, it's fair to middling. Not really a well-matched trio, and Pat Martino sounds stiff. And this is coming from someone who's been an Uri fan since about 1982. On the plus side, it's beautifully recorded. skip h - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: CD Sale list Date: 10 Jul 2001 21:29:39 +0100 I have the following cd's for sale. P&P is extra. Please contact me offlist if you are interested. Scott --=20 White Noise For experimental events in Scotland http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk email scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk =A315/$20 Paul Schutze, PaulineOliveros, Keiji Haino, Thomas Koner: Driftworks. Big Cat 4xcd. Scuffed slipcase. David Thomas;Monster: 5xcd box set. King Crimson: The Projeckcts. DGM 4cd set. =A310/$14 Jim O=B9Rourke: Disengage. Staalplat 2xcd =A37/$10 Jim O=B9Rourke: Tamper. Extreme Jim O=B9Rourke: remove The Need. Extreme Guy Klusevcek: Polka Dots and LaserBeams. EVVA David Weinstein: Perfume. Avant Boredoms: Super Roots 6. WEA Japan Cosmic Invention: Help Your Satori Mind. The Non Sound. Haino, Pjhillips, Toyozumi.PSF David Mahler: Hearing Voices.Tzadik. =A35/$7 Aphasia: Stereoisomerism. Staalplat Paul Schutze: The Annihilating Angel. Tone Casualties Paul Schutze: regard, music by film. Tone Casualties Barbed: Barbed. These Cutler/Frith: Live. ReR Mahar Halal Hash Baz: Souvenir De Mauve. Majikik Strafe FR: Lufthunger. Touch. John Wall: Fear of Gravity. Utterpsalm. Guy Klusevcek: Flying Vegetables of the Apocalypse. Experimental Intermedia= . Bob James Trio: Explosions. ESP/ZYX Music. Cutout. Astor Piazzolla: La Camorra. Nonesuch Astor Piazzolla: Rough Dancer and the Cyclical Night. Nonesuch Lucferrari: Piano Piano. Montaigne. Eugene Chadbourne/Paul Lovens: Patrizio. Victo Bob Ostertag/Kronos: All the Rage. Nonesuch Borbetomagus: Borbetomagus. Agaric Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio: Live in Europe. Arabesque. Tisiji Munoz: Breaking the Wheel of Life and Death.Anami. Altered States feat Ned Rothenberg: Cafe 9.15. Phenotype. Masami Akita: The Prosperity of Vice The Misfortune of Virtue.I. Noel Akchote Eugene Chadbourne, Marc Ribot:Lust Corner. Winter & Winter. Neu! unknown Popol Vuh: Einsjager & Siebenjager. Spalax Popol Vuh: In der garten Pharaos. Spalax =A33/$5 Simon FisherTurner, OST to Derek Jarman=B9s Blue.Mute Simon FisherTurner, The Garden OST.Mute. Thomas Demenga play Holliger and Bach. ECM David Soldier: The Kropotkins. Koch Jon Hassell and Bluescreen. Dressing for Pleasure. Warner. Sonic Youth: Experimental JetSet, Trash and No Star. Geffen Sonic Youth: Dirty. Geffen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: CD Sale list Date: 10 Jul 2001 21:29:39 +0100 I have the following cd's for sale. P&P is extra. Please contact me offlist if you are interested. Scott --=20 White Noise For experimental events in Scotland http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk email scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk =A315/$20 Paul Schutze, PaulineOliveros, Keiji Haino, Thomas Koner: Driftworks. Big Cat 4xcd. Scuffed slipcase. David Thomas;Monster: 5xcd box set. King Crimson: The Projeckcts. DGM 4cd set. =A310/$14 Jim O=B9Rourke: Disengage. Staalplat 2xcd =A37/$10 Jim O=B9Rourke: Tamper. Extreme Jim O=B9Rourke: remove The Need. Extreme Guy Klusevcek: Polka Dots and LaserBeams. EVVA David Weinstein: Perfume. Avant Boredoms: Super Roots 6. WEA Japan Cosmic Invention: Help Your Satori Mind. The Non Sound. Haino, Pjhillips, Toyozumi.PSF David Mahler: Hearing Voices.Tzadik. =A35/$7 Aphasia: Stereoisomerism. Staalplat Paul Schutze: The Annihilating Angel. Tone Casualties Paul Schutze: regard, music by film. Tone Casualties Barbed: Barbed. These Cutler/Frith: Live. ReR Mahar Halal Hash Baz: Souvenir De Mauve. Majikik Strafe FR: Lufthunger. Touch. John Wall: Fear of Gravity. Utterpsalm. Guy Klusevcek: Flying Vegetables of the Apocalypse. Experimental Intermedia= . Bob James Trio: Explosions. ESP/ZYX Music. Cutout. Astor Piazzolla: La Camorra. Nonesuch Astor Piazzolla: Rough Dancer and the Cyclical Night. Nonesuch Lucferrari: Piano Piano. Montaigne. Eugene Chadbourne/Paul Lovens: Patrizio. Victo Bob Ostertag/Kronos: All the Rage. Nonesuch Borbetomagus: Borbetomagus. Agaric Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio: Live in Europe. Arabesque. Tisiji Munoz: Breaking the Wheel of Life and Death.Anami. Altered States feat Ned Rothenberg: Cafe 9.15. Phenotype. Masami Akita: The Prosperity of Vice The Misfortune of Virtue.I. Noel Akchote Eugene Chadbourne, Marc Ribot:Lust Corner. Winter & Winter. Neu! unknown Popol Vuh: Einsjager & Siebenjager. Spalax Popol Vuh: In der garten Pharaos. Spalax =A33/$5 Simon FisherTurner, OST to Derek Jarman=B9s Blue.Mute Simon FisherTurner, The Garden OST.Mute. Thomas Demenga play Holliger and Bach. ECM David Soldier: The Kropotkins. Koch Jon Hassell and Bluescreen. Dressing for Pleasure. Warner. Sonic Youth: Experimental JetSet, Trash and No Star. Geffen Sonic Youth: Dirty. Geffen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Merzbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 03:46:59 EDT Supposedly he has a few out there that are less noise/more "psychedelic" that *I'd* be interested in. Anyone? That power electronics stuff makes me want to break things...like my stereo system. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com> Subject: Re: Merzbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 06:20:25 -0400 At 02:52 PM 7/10/01 +0200, patRice wrote: > >2 questions re: Merzbow - > >Which CD is a good starting point for a noise newbie? I don't have a large Merzbow collection, but I can easily recommend his collaboration with Christoph Heeman on Streamline, which is much less noisy than anything else I've heard from him. Heeman puts the volume into the background and overlays his own strange, drone electronics. It sounds like Merzbow playing in a dense fog. I also like his Live at Radio 100 album, which is Merz and a couple of assistants DJing, and you can hear Louis Armstrong, Beach Boys, and others in the mix. Very wild. The tribute album is ok; hearing Bernhard G=FCnter's remix is worth the price of admission. And although I don't have the album yet, I've heard that 1930 on Tzadik is also very good, and may be more easily available than others. The Wire article on Merzbow a while back had a primer in a sidebar, but this doesn't seem to be online at their site yet. -- One day the United States discovered that it was an empire. But it didn't know what an empire was. It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations. -- Roberto Calasso Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt> Subject: Gunryu island Date: 11 Jul 2001 13:25:51 +0100 (WET DST) I bought this one after Cobra - 1994 Tokyo Operations. The disc is an hommage to a samurai fight that happened in ganryu island (i know, is in the liner notes but what the liner notes don't say is...) about two samurais. Sasaki Kojiro has killed Miyamoto Musashi father's after being defeated by him. So, this is the avenging fight between the two. Musashi will win and appear has the best swordsman in japan. so, it's an avenging story punctuated by Zorn's on reeds and sato Michihiro on shamisen. while i was hoping for a kind of more classica traditional japan style music i was utterly (and gladly) disapointed. there is a clash of sound here, like in a sword fight, with both players clashing and retreating, moments of joint playing alternating with lonely and circuling around, like gathering atack space or breeding. some voicing is also made, if i do recall it, like one is used to see in a real fight. so, through 12 tracks, the fight develops till the final death of Kojiro. there is also a movie about this japones famous duel... greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com> Subject: Re: Merbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 08:51:34 -0400 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:46:59 EDT > From: Dgasque@aol.com > > That power electronics stuff makes me want to break things...like my stereo > system. > I played 'Space Metalizer' (one of my favorites and usually a guaranteed room-clearer) at work and one my colleagues said something like 'I think his electric razor is broken.' Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: Ganryu island Date: 11 Jul 2001 15:03:55 +0200 Ricardo Reis wrote: > I bought this one after Cobra - 1994 Tokyo Operations. The disc is > an hommage to a samurai fight that happened in ganryu island (i know, is > in the liner notes but what the liner notes don't say is...) about two > samurais. Sasaki Kojiro has killed Miyamoto Musashi father's after being > defeated by him. So, this is the avenging fight between the two. > Musashi will win and appear has the best swordsman in japan. Where did you find this information, Ricardo? I have read Eiji Yoshikawa's historic novel "Musashi" (about the life of Musashi), which - as far as I know - is based on all known facts regarding Musashi. And it never mentions anything about his father... (Or is my memory playing tricks on me again?) > > so, it's an avenging story punctuated by Zorn's on reeds and sato > Michihiro on shamisen. while i was hoping for a kind of more classica > traditional japan style music i was utterly (and gladly) disapointed. > there is a clash of sound here, like in a sword fight, with both players > clashing and retreating, moments of joint playing alternating with lonely > and circuling around, like gathering atack space or breeding. some > voicing is also made, if i do recall it, like one is used to see in a real > fight. so, through 12 tracks, the fight develops till the final death of > Kojiro. Well - if Zorn and Sato intended on the original vinyl release to tell the story (sword fight) from beginning to end then there is a "mistake" on the CD anyways: there are bonus tracks that did not appear on the vinyl LP. Personally, I also wasn't too much into this album after listening to it for the first few times, a few years ago. Only recently did I manage to actually sit down, listen to the whole thing and discover some beauty in it. > there is also a movie about this japones famous duel... There is a film in 3 parts on the life of Musashi, yes. Based on Yoshikawa's novel. patRice np: John Coltrane, Transition nr: sfa - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: Merbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 15:51:46 +0200 on 11-07-2001 14:51, Perfect Sound Forever at perfect-sound@furious.com wrote: >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:46:59 EDT >> From: Dgasque@aol.com >> >> That power electronics stuff makes me want to break things...like my stereo >> system. >> > > I played 'Space Metalizer' (one of my favorites and usually a guaranteed > room-clearer) at work and one my colleagues said something like 'I think his > electric razor is broken.' my brother in law, who's electrician, told me not to worry: it was no great feat for him to fix my stereo system. i answered there was nothing wrong with it, that it was only merzbow. he just couldn't believe and started to search his books in the hope that he could find a solution for the sofar unexplained merzbow-problem, thinking it'd to be some kind of a hightech-virus. ari np: ganryu island (for the third time today, and still alive ;-)) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <burningwater@hotmail.com> Subject: re: Merzbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 10:10:50 -0400 I agree that 1930 is quite amazing, an exceptional Merzbow release. Music for Bondage Performance 1 is quite recommendable, much less harsh than his later output, and a good starting point (I haven't got vol. 2, so can't vouch for that one, but I've only heard good things about that one too). Stay away from the Release/Relapse albums at first (such as Venereology and Pulse Demon), they're really harsh (not such a bad thing, but for the newbie...) and show less diversity. The collab with G. P-Orridge is ok, but not a priority IMHO. There are some long instrumental segments after the spoken word parts, but it's generally more "laid-back" Merz. His Alchemy discs are always recommended (but much harder to find), especially Rainbow Electronics. A masterpiece. Rainbow Electronics 2 on Dexter's Cigar is supposed to be quite good also. And finally, if you wanna go digital and hear Merzbow go nuts with a laptop (a la Pita/Mego gang) get Collapse 12 Floors, it's his latest release as far as I know. Quite possibly my favorite disc by Masami yet, a good amount of diversity and very interesting textures. Happy noise hunting! Bruno _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt> Subject: Re: Ganryu island Date: 11 Jul 2001 17:24:23 +0100 (WET DST) On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, patRice wrote: > Where did you find this information, Ricardo? > I have read Eiji Yoshikawa's historic novel "Musashi" (about the life of > Musashi), which - as far as I know - is based on all known facts regarding > Musashi. And it never mentions anything about his father... (Or is my memory > playing tricks on me again?) i've read it in a Kendo book a friend of mine lend to me. maybe you're the one who's right... i had to read it a little fast (only read the historical introduction) and was very happy at the time knowing what that fight was really about (it was not just a question of vengeance but one of them was really interest in proving to be the better swordsman). unfortunately i can only ask for the book again in september... > Well - if Zorn and Sato intended on the original vinyl release to tell the > story (sword fight) from beginning to end then there is a "mistake" on the CD > anyways: there are bonus tracks that did not appear on the vinyl LP. hmmm... i have the CD and heard about it a few times (10? 11?) and that was the interpretation i made of it. > nr: sfa sfa? what is that about? greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Locus Solus! Date: 11 Jul 2001 16:48:39 -0000 Talking about the liner notes to Locus Solus, I just looked at the Tzadik site and found the little text blurp about the CD to be quite hilarious: "these influential recordings are as exciting today as all the other new crap on Tzadik, if not moreso." And someone said Zorn has become rather self indulgant and megalomaniac lately! ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com> Subject: Jim O'Rourke: Disengage Date: 11 Jul 2001 12:58:50 -0400 >> scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk wrote: >>I have the following cd's for sale... >>Jim O'Rourke: Disengage. Staalplat 2xcd With the mention of this, I thought I might add my thoughts on this cd. "Disengage" is my favorite Jim O'Rourke cd, predating any of his work with gastr del sol, and all of his pop stuff. It has two cds each consisting of an electro-acoustic piece, (read: contains electronics, sampling, & conventional instruments). The first piece is titled "A Young Person's Guide To Drowning" and the second "Mere". A high point of this release is the hi-fi sound of some guy trudging through a swamp. You can hear his feet suck out of the mud, the water fill in where his feet left, and the crack of twigs and brush around him. This is just the right amount of spooky and musical. As a point of reference, O'Rourke's cd on Tzadik, "Terminal Pharmacy" is a work in the same vein, but not nearly as riveting as "Disengage". David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org Subject: Re: Merzbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 13:05:29 -0400 At 10:10 11/07/01 -0400, burningwater wrote: >Stay away from the Release/Relapse albums at first (such as Venereology=20 >and Pulse Demon), they're really harsh (not such a bad thing, but for the= =20 >newbie...) and show less And where is it written, I am curious, that "newbies" should start with=20 something sweet and cute, particularly as an introduction to Merzbow? Only my experience, but the release that converted me was his "Mort aux=20 vaches / Locomotive breath" recorded at VPRO (Dutch radio) in 1995. As far as Venereology is concerned, probably not a capital release, though= =20 a little bit of a contextualisation, knowing that it was his hack on a=20 label for metalheads and a tribute to the genre, might help. << "Venereology" was my first release on a death metal label. So, my target= =20 was "death metal" itself. I used more serious dead visuals than on the=20 usual death metal albums. For me, it's like J.P. Witkin or J.G. Ballard.=20 The rhythm in "Venereology" was a little slower than in my past releases,=20 but more heavy. Also, the tone of "Venereology" was lots of overlevels and= =20 dirty sound. It's important to know that I made "Venereology" while=20 drinking lots of beer. These essences are all influenced by death metal.=20 But not musically. I liked something more extreme than the death metal=20 rules. >> from the Corridor of Cells interview The man's discography stems in all directions. A recent release (you may know that Merzbow went "all digital" recently)=20 "Doors Open at 8 am" is a tribute to free-jazz (drummers). See track=20 listing and his very apt use of samples. "Tony Williams deathspace", "Jimmy= =20 Elvins in traffic", "The Africa brass session 2" (a "cover" of Coltrane)... >The collab with G. P-Orridge is ok, but not a priority IMHO. There are=20 >some long instrumental segments after the spoken word parts, but it's=20 >generally more "laid-back" The collab came out a shock for many at the time, because showing a=20 restrained Merzbow providing a sonic accompaniment to Mr P-Orridge's spoken= =20 word rather than relentless sonic assaults. The project was carried out by= =20 means of tape exchanges in the mail, the two having never met. With such collaborations you will always find tons of people complaining=20 that the result is not as good as what the two do on their own. Which is=20 missing the whole point imo. On a tangent, and as an intro to Merzbow, why not consider Scumtron: a=20 tribute to Merzbow (Jim O'Rourke, Merzbow, Pan Sonic, Russell Haswell,=20 Bernhard G=FCnter, etc). It's generally smart, well felt, and has the=20 advantage to be relatively cheap and easy to find. Benjamin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com> Subject: Review: M. Gira: Solo Recordings At Home Date: 11 Jul 2001 13:50:17 -0400 Every now and then on the Zorn list, mention of M. Gira of SWANS comes up and I figured it was about time to mention him again as he has recently released a couple new discs. Being a long-time SWANS fan, I have kept up with Gira's recordings, despite the fact that, like many on this discussion list, my interest has mostly shifted away from traditional voice-guitar-song acts to more experimental/marginal culture musics. But Gira, like Sonic Youth, continues to release albums that are interesting to listen to, despite the fact of their popular (I use the term loosely) music origins in the 1980s. Regardless, when word of a forthcoming Gira release reaches me, I await it with great anticipation. With the demise of SWANS, Gira has been releasing records with his new unit, Angels of Light, which is not all that far off from SWANS, since it is still Gira's song, voice, guitar, and mixture of abrasiveness, self- denigration, and tenderness backed by mostly different accompanying musicians. Earlier in the year, Angels of Light released their second studio album, third over-all if you count the live concert at Tonic released by www.swans.pair.com. Oh, I was ready for a new Gira cd. I checked regularly for news of its release. I was ready for I expected could be the best cd of 2001. When I finally got my hands on it, I enjoyed it, but enjoyed it as only a diehard SWANS fan would enjoy it. It was certainly not the best cd of 2001, nor was it as glorious as I had hoped. Most of the songs had already been released on the Tonic live cd or had been played during the previous tour, and sounded better live. Well, I was marginally bummed about that and figured I would have to wait another year or two to hear the next Gira release, but lo and behold a new release has appeared just recently. This cd is M. Gira solo, his first totally solo release to date, and is titled "Solo Recordings At Home". It is released by his own label, Young God Records, but has no label number and is available only from www.younggodrecords.com , in a limited press of 500 cds. In a way, it is kind of sad to see someone who had some success (certainly much greater exposure, if not financial success) come back down to the 500 cd production run. But on the other hand, many of us on this list buy/sell cds produced in similar numbers and those are the cds that we like best, so I was also kind of excited to get my hands on this "Home recording". So last week I did, and after this lengthy and completely unnecessary prologue, I will now come to the review proper. Gira's "Solo Recordings At Home" is truly a home recording. There is Gira, a guitar, and a relatively lo-fi microphone. Sound quality is not digitally clean but its not so bad as to affect the listening experience. The songs are slow. Sure, SWANS redefined slow but not slow like this. SWANS of the mid-eighties were slow and brutal. This cd is slow and sparse. Each note on the guitar is distinct and is separated from the next note by a silence at least as long as the note itself. The words match the music in tempo. Slow, slow, slow. Gira's sonorous voice is not polished, as it was on many SWANS releases and seems to have become less deep in the intervening years. Like nearly all of Gira's albums the thirteen songs contain two or three brilliant songs, a majority of good songs, and a couple stinkers. But the most noteworthy aspect of this release is its atmosphere. The tempo, the sound-quality, the homey-ness, and choice of songs combine to create an atmosphere, which is 100% Gira. What this disc repeatedly reminds me of is the Dock Boggs cds on Smithsonian Folkways (not the one on Revenant, where he is still young, but the Folkways ones where he is an old geezer). On these discs you hear some old Kentucky guy singing and playing the banjo to songs that are his own, that he has spent a lifetime with, that define him, and from which he draws great enjoyment. On the Folkways discs, you listen and you hear Boggs singing in a voice that can't carry a note for a second, and playing the banjo exquisitely, and it is totally obvious that he doesn't give a damn if the record sells 1, 10, or a million copies. Selling records is not even in the picture. It's just a man doing what he does, playing songs. It doesn't matter that Boggs can't sing, singing too is not in the picture. There is some "atmosphere" for lack of a better word, that makes listening to those discs so much fun. I think on "Solo Recordings At Home", Gira approaches this same plateau. It is as if, by choosing to make the disc a home recording rather than an official release of Young God Records, he has removed all of the pressure on himself to make a record which will generate enough revenue to record another release (which seems to be his situation). Instead, Gira is free to sit down and play the songs he likes, old and new, (he does include new versions of two SWANS songs) and play them in the manner that suits him. So what if his voice cracks here or there (or everywhere)? So what if the songs are so damn slow that tapping your foot to them is nearly impossible, because you forget in between tappings, when you last tapped? So what? So what? So what? Many people might hate this record but some might like it. David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tryout <framework@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Re: Merzbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 21:36:45 +0200 pequet@altern.org wrote: > A recent release (you may know that Merzbow went "all digital" recently) > "Doors Open at 8 am" is a tribute to free-jazz (drummers). More info on that one, please. Anyway, is there a good online source of Merzbow's discography? > Scumtron: a > tribute to Merzbow (Jim O'Rourke, Merzbow... Merzbow on tribute to Merzbow...kinda alternative tracks, or what? Regards Herr I -- Zaloz swoj elektroniczny portfel OnetPortfel [ http://portfel.onet.pl/ ] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Merzbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 13:26:50 -0700 >pequet@altern.org wrote: > > > A recent release (you may know that Merzbow went "all digital" recently) > > "Doors Open at 8 am" is a tribute to free-jazz (drummers). > >More info on that one, please. More info on this release avaiable at: www.alien8recordings.com >Anyway, is there a good online source of >Merzbow's discography? Yep, at the following URL - http://www.hut.fi/~omertalo/Merzbow.html > > Scumtron: a > tribute to Merzbow (Jim O'Rourke, Merzbow... > >Merzbow on tribute to Merzbow...kinda alternative tracks, or what? Merzbow provides an exclusive track entitled "eat beat eat #2" which I would assume is a remix of "eat beat eat # 1" also on this compilation. Also check out Universal Indian's "Crystal Fist" CD featuring Masami Akita on the Zero Gravity label. I'm sure you'll find it's well worth your time. - RdF. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nirav Soni" <nirav@ink19.com> Subject: cds for sale Date: 11 Jul 2001 17:10:32 -0400 listees, I'm pretty broke, and in order to remediate this situation, I need to sell off a couple cds. Everything is $9ppd, buy 3 take a dollar off, buy 5, take two dollars off. If you buy a bunch, I'll be happy to take some more off.For those out of the US, we can discuss shipping costs later. The only catch is, is that you've got to respond by Saturday. Jazz/Improv/Blues: Ray Anderson, Han Bennink & Christy Doran- Cheer Up (HatArt) Tim Berne/Micheal Formanek- Ornery People (Little Brother) Thomas Chapin- Night Bird Song (Knitting Factory) Nels Cline- Destroy All Nels Cline (Atavistic) Leo Cuypers'- Heavy Days Are Here Again (Atavistic) Arthur Doyle- The Songwriter (Ecstatic Peace) EED- Morphic Resonance (Tautology) Fetish- s/t (Tautology) Gold Sparkle Band- Nu-Soul Zodiac (Squealer) Kip Hanrahan- Desire Develops an Edge Kwartet Warszawska Jesionka- ? (Obuh) Leimgruber/Roidinger/Hauser- Lines (HatArt) Yuri Lemeshev/Brad Shepik/Tony Scher- Tridruga (Loveslave) LSM (Leimgruber/Scheyder/Moutin)- Live at the ZMF Freiburg Microcosmos- Pilgrimage (Tzidak) (Yoshihide + Vocals) Micro-East Collective- 062099 (Umbrella) Micro-East Collective- Fabric (Umbrella) Micro-East Collective- Out of My Face (Umbrella) Orchester 33 1/3- s/t (Charizma) Other Dimensions in Music- NOW! (AumFidelity) Other Dimensions in Music w/ Matthew Shipp- Time is the Essence Beyond Time (AumFidelity) Scott Rosenberg- V: Solo Improvisations (Umbrella) Matthew Shipp Trio- Circular Temple John Tchicai/Irene Schwitzer Group- Willi the Pig (Atavistic) Ken Vandermark's Joe Harriot Project- Straight Lines (Atavistic) Vandermark/Drake/McBride- Spaceways Incorporated (Atavistic) Composition: Nicholas Collins- Sound Without Picture (Periplum) Francis Dhomont- Frankenstein Symphony (Asphodel) Gal- Bestimmung New York (Durian) Roel Meelkop- 6 (Mailcop Rules) (Intransative) ROEL MEELKOP "9 (Holes in the Head)" (Trent Oiseaux) Nirav -- AIM: Icefactory37 OnNow- "Wheeler: A game-legged old man and a drunk- that's all you've got? Chance: That's *what* I've got" -from 'Rio Bravo' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Merzbow Date: 11 Jul 2001 22:16:13 >I played 'Space Metalizer' (one of my favorites and usually a >guaranteed >room-clearer) at work and one my colleagues said something >like 'I think >his electric razor is broken.' That is funny because he is actually credited with "electric shaver" on Rainbow Electronics 2. And I imagine it is probably broken in some way. Also, thanks for the recommendations. I have heard several Merzbow CDs but it is hard to get a grip on what's good, average, or sub-par for him without spending a ton of money. Now, what about Masonna? Does anyone have recommendations on his stuff? Oh, one more thing, Merzbow did a remix of the grindcore-ish band Discordance Axis, from their album "the Inalienable Dreamless," that you can download here for free (it's long, though -- 17 minutes or so) at http://www.studio-grey.com/da/sound.html WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com> Subject: Blue Window? Date: 11 Jul 2001 18:59:34 -0500 I don't recall anyone of the New Yorkers on this list ever mentioning going to see plays, but I was wondering if there was someone out there with some insight into Blue Window reviewed in Wednesday's NY Times. It's about a disastrous dinner party and might be good as plays go, but the sentence in the review that caught my eye is "As one person tries to explain the genius of the avant garde pianist Cecil Taylor, others respond by initiating a discussion of about Topo Gigio , the Italian puppet-mouse who used to beg Ed Sullivan for a goodnight kiss." Here's the URL for the entire review: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/11/arts/11WIND.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@wesleyan.edu> Subject: cd's for sale/trade Date: 12 Jul 2001 03:33:04 -0400 Hello. Please excuse the horrible cross-posting, but I've got a bunch of CD's and some vinyl I'm looking to sell or maybe trade. A lot of indie rock-type stuff, some jazz, and some rarities that I'm shamelessly asking collector-scum prices for. Please e-mail me at jkudler@wesleyan.edu if you'd like to see the list. Thanks, Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: Ganryu island Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:14:48 +0200 Ricardo Reis wrote: > i've read it in a Kendo book a friend of mine lend to me. maybe > you're the one who's right... i had to read it a little fast (only read > the historical introduction) and was very happy at the time knowing what > that fight was really about (it was not just a question of vengeance but > one of them was really interest in proving to be the better swordsman). > unfortunately i can only ask for the book again in september... Ricardo, if you are interested in the historical background of Miyamoto Musashi's life, I can wholeheartedly recommend Eiji Yoshikawa's "Musashi" book to you. (About 970 pages...) Over the course of time, Musashi himself had become a VERY good swordsman, and the older he got, the more highly he valued the spiritual aspect of fighting; the attitude. His opponent on Ganryu Island was also a very accomplished swordsman, but too big-headed about it. He'd heard about Musashi and his skills a lot and therefore wanted to fight him. Musashi wasn't interested at all and tried to avoid the fight. The finale of the book is the big showdown on Ganryu Island... After I'd picked the book up I just couldn't stop reading... > > nr: sfa > > sfa? what is that about? It stands for "sweet fuck all"... ;-) patRice np: John Coltrane, Transition nr: Japan Tattoo Institue, Horiyoshi's World Vol. 1 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: new Zorn composition Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:32:31 +0200 Hi folks, on behalf of WDR (largest german radio station) Zorn is currently composing a new piece for two pianos and symphony orchestra. The premiere is scheduled for 14th and 15th December 2001 in Cologne. A US tour of the WDR symphony orchestra - including this new piece - is planned for the second half of february 2002. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt> Subject: Re: Ganryu island Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:40:58 +0100 (WET DST) On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, patRice wrote: > Ricardo, if you are interested in the historical background of Miyamoto Musashi's > life, I can wholeheartedly recommend Eiji Yoshikawa's "Musashi" book to you. > (About 970 pages...) maybe that will be my summer reading :) > aspect of fighting; the attitude. His opponent on Ganryu Island was also > a very accomplished swordsman, but too big-headed about it. He'd heard > about Musashi and his skills a lot and therefore wanted to fight him. > Musashi wasn't interested at all and tried to avoid the fight. The hmmm... i remember reading that (on that kendo book) but why did he fight the other fellow in the end? i'm almost sure there's a story on musashi father's around there. and fighting schools too... ouh, hell, i wish i had the book with me. > > sfa? what is that about? > > It stands for "sweet fuck all"... ;-) that's a good whish ;) salut, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Musashi / Yoshikawa (was: Re: Ganryu islan) Date: 12 Jul 2001 13:49:51 +0200 Ricardo Reis wrote: > > life, I can wholeheartedly recommend Eiji Yoshikawa's "Musashi" book to you. > > (About 970 pages...) > > maybe that will be my summer reading :) Go for it! It really is very good. And if you do read it, let me know (off-list) what you thought about it! > > hmmm... i remember reading that (on that kendo book) but why did > he fight the other fellow in the end? He couldn't escape it anymore. Rumours had started going around the country that he was no good and scared of his opponent; there's more to it than this, but I can't recall the details. > i'm almost sure there's a story on > musashi father's around there. and fighting schools too... ouh, hell, i > wish i had the book with me. I honestly can't remember anything about the father; but maybe it's just my memory... But the fight does have something to do with different philosophies of swordsmanship and also with schools whose reputations had been put to shame by Musashi. If you like Yoshikawa's historic novel, I think you might also get an interest for Musashi's book "Classic Guide To Strategy" - on which Zorn's CD of the same name is based. Talking about Yoshikawa: his latest publication made available in English, "Taiko", is also a good read. It's about the life of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who finished what Nobunaga Oda had started: the unification of Japan. patRice np: The Melvins, The Maggot nr: Uhlenbeck & Molenaar, Mount Fuji - Sacred Mountain... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Viguier Benoit" <benoit.viguier@eurogroup.fr> Subject: Evan Lurie - Chochin Date: 12 Jul 2001 15:02:17 +0200 Is anybody has heard about a new album of Evan Lurie called "Chochin" ? Have you got some info about it ? Many thanks Benoεt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: Evan Lurie - Chochin Date: 12 Jul 2001 09:58:46 -0500 (CDT) On that note... has anybody ever heard of The Living Daylights? Jessica Lurie is the= =20 saxophonists for the ensemble out of Seattle. Are they related? kasra=20 >Is anybody has heard about a new album of Evan Lurie called "Chochin= " ? Have y>ou got some info about it ? >Many thanks >Beno=EEt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Fantomas in Barcelona/Compositions Date: 12 Jul 2001 17:15:56 +0200 (CEST) HI everyone! After witnessing one of the best concerts I've ever seen, I must make one question. Taking into account that Mike Patton can't read or write music as far as I know, how did he manage to transfer so complicated compositions to the other Fantomas members?. If their music weren't so complicated I would think that it consists on lots of rehearsals but I'm sure that can't be their system. By the way, yesterday they performed Henry Macini's "Experiment in Terror", "The Omen" main theme, a Morricone tune I can't remember the title of and a couple of unrecognized ballads in such a romantic/heavy metal vein which I guess are included in "The Director's Cut". It that's been released in your respective countries, go buy it now! Greetings, EfrΘn P.S: By the way, Evan Lurie's new album title (Chochin) sounds quite erotic in Spanish (a diminutive for "pussy"). Maybe he should reconsider that. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicaci≤n instantßnea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: Re: Fantomas in Barcelona/Compositions Date: 13 Jul 2001 01:19:44 +1000 > Taking into account that Mike Patton can't read or > write music as far as I know, how did he manage to > transfer so complicated compositions to the other > Fantomas members?. Most probably by tape... > If their music weren't so complicated I would think > that it consists on lots of rehearsals but I'm sure > that can't be their system. ...followed by quite a few rehearsals I would assume. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: [Fwd: MERZBOW] Date: 12 Jul 2001 17:53:30 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------907AE73149E2E5B8706458FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael sent this to me off-list. Thought some other people might be interested, too... >Which CD is a good starting point for a noise newbie? OK, you can't go wrong with any of these. 1. 'Noisembryo' (Releasling Eskimo) Said by a few to be a good place to start, and I'd agree. 2. 'Pulse Demon' (Release) 3. 'Tauromachine' (Release) 4. 'Venereology' (Release) These are mastered at an insanely loud volume for maximum effect, and it works. 5. 'Door Open At 8am' (Alien 8) Jazz drumming 'tribute' 6. '1930' (Tzadik) A good place to start for Zornheads, mainly because it's on Tzadik. No other reason. 7. 'Noizhead' (Blast First) Live. All are still very available except 7, although copys have been on eBay recently. 1 may be getting more scarce now also, I don't know. As for psychedelic noise - try MASONNA. Most of his releases has a psych tinge to them, because of the effects he uses. As for psychedelic power electronics - try early RAMLEH, especially 'Hand of Glory' 7". All early RAMLEH material is available from RRR/PURE as a 3 CD set. Recommended. >And can any comment on the Merzbow collaboration "A >Perfect Pain", with Genesis P. Orridge? It's really not very good, and DEFINITELY not a good place to start. >(BTW: anyone from this list know what GPO has been >up to?) He has a new band, THEE MAJESTY. I hope this information helps. Need anything else, just ask. patRice np: JZ, Taboo & Exile nr: Skin & Ink --------------907AE73149E2E5B8706458FB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk> Received: from adon1.adon.li ([212.243.188.66]) by msg.adon.li (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GGB94700.EF8 for <postmanpat@adon.li>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:21:43 +0200 Received: from mta537.mail.yahoo.com (mta537.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.18]) by adon1.adon.li (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00167 for <postmanpat@adon.li>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:22:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mta537.mail.yahoo.com for postmanpat@adon.li; Jul 11 06:23:23 2001 -0700 Received: from web13107.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.152) X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from iqhouse@yahoo.de to postmanpat@adon.li by mta537.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 06:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20010711132323.33641.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.64.5] by web13107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:23:23 BST In-Reply-To: <3B4AFA89.FD4E08E0@yahoo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 >Which CD is a good starting point for a noise newbie? OK, you can't go wrong with any of these. 1. 'Noisembryo' (Releasling Eskimo) Said by a few to be a good place to start, and I'd agree. 2. 'Pulse Demon' (Release) 3. 'Tauromachine' (Release) 4. 'Venereology' (Release) These are mastered at an insanely loud volume for maximum effect, and it works. 5. 'Door Open At 8am' (Alien 8) Jazz drumming 'tribute' 6. '1930' (Tzadik) A good place to start for Zornheads, mainly because it's on Tzadik. No other reason. 7. 'Noizhead' (Blast First) Live. All are still very available except 7, although copys have been on eBay recently. 1 may be getting more scarce now also, I don't know. As for psychedelic noise - try MASONNA. Most of his releases has a psych tinge to them, because of the effects he uses. As for psychedelic power electronics - try early RAMLEH, especially 'Hand of Glory' 7". All early RAMLEH material is available from RRR/PURE as a 3 CD set. Recommended. >And can any comment on the Merzbow collaboration "A >Perfect Pain", with Genesis P. Orridge? It's really not very good, and DEFINITELY not a good place to start. >(BTW: anyone from this list know what GPO has been >up to?) He has a new band, THEE MAJESTY. I hope this information helps. Need anything else, just ask. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --------------907AE73149E2E5B8706458FB-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Fwd: Evan Lurie - Chochin Date: 12 Jul 2001 18:55:04 +0200 (CEST) > Is anybody has heard about a new album of Evan Lurie > called "Chochin" ? Have > you got some info about it ? > Many thanks > Benoεt I'm really curious about this album too. As I saw at towerrecords.com, the price is really high (29$) so I assume it is an European release (thanks god). However, the song titles indicate that, once again, Mr. Lurie is incluing previously released material also featured in "Selling water by the side of the river", "Pieces for bandoneon" and "Il piccolo diavolo". Some of us complained about Zorn's re-releases fever but Evan Lurie's is by far a worse case. Greetings, EfrΘn _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicaci≤n instantßnea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: MERZBOW] Date: 12 Jul 2001 17:58:09 -0000 >From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> >Reply-To: iqhouse@yahoo.de > >Which CD is a good starting point for a noise newbie? You might want to investigate some of the originators of 'noise' music, i.e. Throbbing Gristle, early SPK, Controlled Bleeding, Einsturzende Neubauten, Nurse With Wound...not sure about availability these days, but you should seek out recordings from the early '80s...also don't forget Lou Reed's 'Metal Machine Music'! np: Lou Reed American Poet live '72 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Fwd: Evan Lurie - Chochin Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:01:29 -0700 Any idea of the label? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeni Dahmus <jdahmus@juilliard.edu> Subject: Downtown 81 screening in NYC Date: 12 Jul 2001 18:33:40 -0400 Last summer there was a discussion on the Zorn list about the premiere of Downtown 81 in Cannes. New Yorkers have a chance to see the film at The Screening Room July 13-26. Filmmakers Edo Bertoglio, Maripol, and Glenn O'Brien will appear in person on July 13 and July 14 at the 7:15 and 8:45 shows. Starring Jean-Michel Basquiat as himself, Downtown 81 depicts the downtown New York art and music scene of the early 1980s. The cast includes DNA, Deborah Harry, Tuxedomoon, among others. See www.thescreeningroom.com and www.downtown81.com for details. Jeni - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Fwd: Evan Lurie - Chochin Date: 13 Jul 2001 09:41:50 +0200 >From: efrΘn del valle <efrendv@yahoo.es> > >I'm really curious about this album too. As I saw at >towerrecords.com, the price is really high (29$) so I >assume it is an European release (thanks god). it┤s a japanese release, probably on Saidera records Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org Subject: Trembling before G-d Date: 13 Jul 2001 12:05:52 -0400 More film news. The documentary of Berlin Film Festival fame Trembling Before G-d, about the coming experiences of gay and lesbian Orthodox and Hasidic Jews, was acquired by New Yorker Films in May for theatrical release in the US, but the news is that dates and cities have been announced: NY (Film Forum) on October 24; then more largely from January 2002. Premieres in July and August: Los Angeles on July 19, San Francisco at the San Francisco Jewish Film Festival on July 26. Internationally: the Israeli Premiere is July 15 at the Jerusalem Film Festival; then Israeli theatrical release in December, plus a national broadcast on TV scheduled in the Spring... German and Swiss theatrical release in July-August (Berlin, Zurich). Melbourne Film Festival on July 29. New Zealand Film Festival in July. It was banned in Mexico but they screened it anyway. Email me off-list if you want details ie. I can forward the whole announcement. Website: www.tremblingbeforeg-d.com/index2.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: Trembling before G-d Date: 13 Jul 2001 13:07:33 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 pequet@altern.org wrote: > More film news. [snip] > Website: www.tremblingbeforeg-d.com/index2.html In case it's not clear why this was posted, Zorn did the film's music. I saw it in Berlin at its packed premier. The topic may not be in everyone's interest, but the predicament of these people certainly is, and the individuals chosen to be in the film are very well spoken. The thing is that because those aspects drew my attention, i hardly heard the score at all, which isn't to say that you won't. OTOH one of the several reasons i went to the film was to hear the soundtrack by JZ, so i had INTENDED to hear it. Since i'm not familiar with the film music division of Zorn's output, can anyone say in general or specifically per film how much music actually made it into the films' soundtracks. (In this case i don't thing the TBG music is out yet on CD). konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <burningwater@hotmail.com> Subject: Masonna (was re: Merzbow) Date: 13 Jul 2001 14:01:48 -0400 For Masonna, well it's all good... or rather, it's much alike from disc to disc, so if you like one, you'll like most of his work probably. Some of them stand out, and it's generally accepted that Ejaculation Generater (sic) on Alchemy is among is best (which I'd approve of), and supposedly Frequency LSD on Alien8 is "the best Masonna, and in the top 5 noise releases of all time", a comment which I remember reading in a few places. The excerpts I've heard were very good indeed. Other highlights: Super Compact Disc (Alchemy) -- mastered super loud, a la Merzbow's Pulse Demon, etc.. Spectrum Ripper Beauty Beast (3" CD on Blast First) Good luck! Bruno _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl> Subject: Odp: Trembling before G-d Date: 13 Jul 2001 23:28:35 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- > Since i'm not familiar with the film music division of Zorn's output, can A big mistake IMO (but I expect more similiar IMOs from list members). All of the filmworks aere absolutely brillant! The ones i like the most are I, II (whuich may be my favourite Zorn album), and VIII. > anyone say in general or specifically per film how much music actually > made it into the films' soundtracks. (In this case i don't thing the TBG > music is out yet on CD). The various troubles of these soundtracks are described in respective booklets; but most of them were used. On the IV we have a collection of music for an advertising company? Does anyone knows of any ads that they were used for? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Trembling before G-d Date: 13 Jul 2001 22:12:13 -0000 hey Did Zorn write any cover notes for the "Trembling Before G-D" CD? I think his notes for the Filmworks CDs are always very interesting and informative, and I'm rather curious about his opinions on this subject particular subject. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: Trembling before G-d Date: 13 Jul 2001 18:25:26 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Arthur Gadney wrote: > Did Zorn write any cover notes for the "Trembling Before G-D" CD? Oops, my mistake: this has been released, seemingly even before the movie. No wonder i'm not so familiar with Filmworks. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sofronyi <sofronyi@mailru.com> Subject: everybody knows? Date: 13 Jul 2001 21:03:32 +0400 Dear Ladies and Gentlemen! I`m just wondering - from which album or project Zorn`s cover of the "Tv. Eye" is? Thank you. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: TV Eye (was: Re: everybody knows?) Date: 14 Jul 2001 12:28:21 +0200 Hi there. "TV Eye" was featured on a compilation named "Rubaiyat" that came out for an anniversary of the Elektra label. Hope this helps. patRice np: Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle nr: Toshio Saeki, Early Works Sofronyi wrote: > Dear Ladies and Gentlemen! > > I`m just wondering - from which album or project Zorn`s cover of the > "Tv. Eye" is? Thank you. > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: Trembling before G-d Date: 14 Jul 2001 12:31:12 +0200 Arthur Gadney wrote: > hey > > Did Zorn write any cover notes for the "Trembling Before G-D" CD? I think > his notes for the Filmworks CDs are always very interesting and informative, > and I'm rather curious about his opinions on this subject particular > subject. Agree with you. And yes, he did write about how the project came about for "Trembling...". Apparently the director had already used a Masada piece for the 1st (rough) cut of the film, and therefore decided to contact Zorn. If I remember correctly, the director at first wasn't too happy with the outcome of Zorn's work. Apparently, it took him some effort to convince her to use the music... patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stinkipipi@aol.com Subject: Re: TV Eye (was: Re: everybody knows?) Date: 14 Jul 2001 09:21:52 EDT there some information on my laswell discography. dave http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: I want to live in Chicago, and other stories. Date: 14 Jul 2001 14:39:46 -0400 Okay, so I'm listening to a recording made at last week's Vandermark 5 show here in Toronto, and all that I can think is that the people who get to hear this stuff on a regular basis (not to mention the New York contingent) are the luckiest bastards on the planet. Where their last visit to our fair city resulted in a California-cool set that brought the '50s to mind on several occasions, it's like they were trying to flat-out kill the audience last weekend... Tim Mulvenna, in particular, screwed up his face and clubbed the drum kit into submission all night long, and It Was Good. Anyway, from the Archie Shepp-ish fury of their opening number (I didn't catch the name, showing up as I did just as they were getting started) to the rolling funk muscle of "Ground", it sounds like their upcoming album ("Acoustic Machine, out sometime in September!" was the announcement of the evening) will definitely build on the rockier elements of the Spaceways, Inc. disc in ways that I'll enjoy. ...which brings me to my question for the day: can anybody out there recommend some particularly interesting (and preferrably in-print) examples of good, energetic bass clarinet playing? Ken Vandermark's red-scalp solos continue to impress me, but I'm particuarly taken with them when they're rounded out by some woody, low-register shuddering that only a clarinet can deliver. Anyone? Other good news: it sounds like Bill Laswell has been confirmed for a show in Toronto sometime next month (at Lee's Palace, of all venues... bring yer earplugs...), so this summer just keeps on making up for how dead everything was last year. Oh, and a quick near-freebie for anybody who is interested: I've been cleaning out the CD racks again, and it's unlikely that I'll get anything for it at the used CD stores, so anybody who wants a slightly scuffed-up copy of the old Sentrax compilation, "Spreading the Virus", is welcome to it for the cost of postage (say, $2 within North America). Many happy returns, -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: I want to live in Chicago, and other stories. Date: 15 Jul 2001 12:26:44 -0700 > > Okay, so I'm listening to a recording made at last week's Vandermark 5 show > here in Toronto, and all that I can think is that the people who get to > hear this stuff on a regular basis (not to mention the New York contingent) > are the luckiest bastards on the planet. Where their last visit to our fair > city resulted in a California-cool set that brought the '50s to mind on > several occasions, it's like they were trying to flat-out kill the audience > last weekend... Tim Mulvenna, in particular, screwed up his face and > clubbed the drum kit into submission all night long, and It Was Good. > Anyway, from the Archie Shepp-ish fury of their opening number (I didn't > catch the name, showing up as I did just as they were getting started) to > the rolling funk muscle of "Ground", it sounds like their upcoming album > ("Acoustic Machine, out sometime in September!" was the announcement of the > evening) will definitely build on the rockier elements of the Spaceways, > Inc. disc in ways that I'll enjoy. > ...which brings me to my question for the day: can anybody out there > recommend some particularly interesting (and preferrably in-print) examples > of good, energetic bass clarinet playing? Ken Vandermark's red-scalp solos > continue to impress me, but I'm particuarly taken with them when they're > rounded out by some woody, low-register shuddering that only a clarinet can > deliver. Anyone? > > Other good news: it sounds like Bill Laswell has been confirmed for a show > in Toronto sometime next month (at Lee's Palace, of all venues... bring yer > earplugs...), so this summer just keeps on making up for how dead > everything was last year. > Oh, and a quick near-freebie for anybody who is interested: I've been > cleaning out the CD racks again, and it's unlikely that I'll get anything > for it at the used CD stores, so anybody who wants a slightly scuffed-up > copy of the old Sentrax compilation, "Spreading the Virus", is welcome to > it for the cost of postage (say, $2 within North America). > Many happy returns, > > -me > > > > - > Ben Goldberg on any Graham Connah record. Fine listening as a rule, and Ben's bass clarinet is a wonder. He's fantastic (so's Connah). skip heller - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: I want to live in Chicago, and other stories. Date: 14 Jul 2001 21:31:36 +0200 > ...which brings me to my question for the day: can anybody out there >recommend some particularly interesting (and preferrably in-print) examples >of good, energetic bass clarinet playing? There's an album I've been recently listening to a lot signed by Marty Ehrlich and Ben Goldberg, both on clarinet and bass clarinet. Theyre accompanied by Trevor Dunn on double-bass and Kenny Wollesen on drums. Really good and energic and miles away from what these folks usually do. Another great album "starred by" bass clarinet is "Six Little Pieces for Quintet" (Hathut) by Sven-Ake Johansson. Don't have it with me so I can't comment on the band. Not too innovative, IMHO, but indeed a great return to the 60's free jazz scene. Greetings, EfrΘn del Valle n.p: John Zorn "Godard/Spillane" n.r: George Orwell "1984" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Frith/Barondown? Date: 14 Jul 2001 21:37:02 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C10CAD.1E8B3680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there! Just saw this on towerrecords.com: Fred Frith/Baron Down: "Live at = Mozg". Anyone knos about this recording? Never really heard about it. Thanks, Efr=E9n ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C10CAD.1E8B3680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi there!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Just saw this on towerrecords.com: = Fred=20 Frith/Baron Down: "Live at Mozg". Anyone knos about this = recording?=20 Never really heard about it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Efrén</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C10CAD.1E8B3680-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar> Subject: Re: I want to live in Chicago, and other stories. Date: 15 Jul 2001 04:45:51 -0300 French musicians like Louis Sclavis , Denis Colin , Francois Corneloup are Bc specialists and of course..... Eric Dolphy!! > ...which brings me to my question for the day: can anybody out there > recommend some particularly interesting (and preferrably in-print) examples > of good, energetic bass clarinet playing? Ken Vandermark's red-scalp solos > continue to impress me, but I'm particuarly taken with them when they're > rounded out by some woody, low-register shuddering that only a clarinet can > deliver. Anyone? > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: Masada Live in NY Date: 15 Jul 2001 10:38:41 +0200 Zorn-agains, Went to see Killer Joey. Good concert, no 'unforgettableness'. Talked to Joey Baron. "What's happening to Masada?" "I'm not really thinking about Masada right now. But there's a new record coming out. Live in New York. That concert was amazing." greetings, Rob @ risk np: Masada Live in Middelheim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: Masada Live in NY Date: 15 Jul 2001 15:08:48 +0200 >Went to see Killer Joey. Good concert, no 'unforgettableness'. Talked to >Joey Baron. What's the lineup for Killer Joey? Has it anything to do with the Medeski-Ribot-Baron trio that toured Europe some months ago? Thanks in advance. Greetings, EfrΘn del Valle n.p: John Zorn "Filmworks IV" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: a good ole bit o zorn content Date: 15 Jul 2001 16:31:01 -0000 some news for yall: http://www.sonicyouth.com/NEWS/newnews.html#news1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca> Subject: bass clarinet Date: 15 Jul 2001 15:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Also Carlo Actis Dato who even has recorded solo bass clarinet solos. Hope you saw him when he played Toronto with successively Gianlugi Troversi, Sudori and the Italian Instabile Ork. Ken Waxman --- "J.A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar> wrote: > French musicians like Louis Sclavis , Denis Colin , > Francois Corneloup are Bc specialists > and of course..... Eric Dolphy!! recommend some particularly interesting (and > preferrably in-print) examples > > of good, energetic bass clarinet playing? Ken > Vandermark's red-scalp solos _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: bass clarinet Date: 15 Jul 2001 13:18:40 -0700 Check out Kaoru Abe's bass clarinet playing on his PSF and Tokuma releases. - RdF. > recommend some particularly interesting (and > > preferrably in-print) examples > > > of good, energetic bass clarinet playing? Ken > > Vandermark's red-scalp solos _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Choate <tbachdrums2@yahoo.com> Subject: Fwd: this weekend...the premiere Date: 15 Jul 2001 15:06:01 -0700 (PDT) --0-1811389912-995234761=:50143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1811389912-995234761=:50143 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: tbachdrums2@yahoo.com via web20003.mail.yahoo.com; 15 Jul 2001 05:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <info@insideoutintheopen.net> Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.22) by mta498.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 05:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.121.74.176] (user-2iniilg.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.74.176]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06737; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:38:44 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Message-ID: <B77706F5.156%info@insideoutintheopen.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078031093_139096_MIME_Part" Content-Length: 2548 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078031093_139096_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable a friendly reminder : world premiere inside out in the open ** an expressionist journey into the music known as free jazz ** saturday july 21 5:00 P.M. anthology film archives 32 second avenue at 2nd street new york city and a second showing on sunday july 22 3:00 PM Q & A with filmmaker and some musicians after screenings For more information: =80 www.insideoutintheopen.net =80 email: info@insideoutintheopen.net =80 phone: (718) 567-8052 SPREAD THE WORD >>>>>>> feel free to forward this information to others wh= o might be interested! --MS_Mac_OE_3078031093_139096_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>this weekend...the premiere</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT COLOR=3D"#008080"><B><U>a friendly reminder :<BR> </U></B></FONT><BR> <BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000"><B>world premiere<BR> </B></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000"><H1>inside out in the open<BR> </H1></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">** <I>an expressionist = journey into the music known as free jazz **<BR> </I></FONT><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"5">saturday july 21 5= :00 P.M.<BR> anthology film archives<BR> 32 second avenue at 2nd street<BR> new york city<BR> </FONT><B>and a second showing on sunday july 22 3:00 PM<BR> </B><BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000"><I><U>Q & A with filmmaker and some musicia= ns after screenings<BR> </U></I></FONT><BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><I>For more inf= ormation: <BR> </I>=80 www.insideoutintheopen.net<BR> =80 email: <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"> <U>info@insideoutintheopen.net<BR> </U></FONT>=80 phone: (718) 567-8052<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <I><HR ALIGN=3DCENTER SIZE=3D"3" WIDTH=3D"95%"><BR> <BR> <BR> </I><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000"><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><B>SPREAD THE WORD >>>>= ;>>> feel free to <U>forward</U> this information to others w= ho might be interested!<BR> </B></FONT></FONT><BR> <I><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </I><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <I><BR> </I><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3078031093_139096_MIME_Part-- --0-1811389912-995234761=:50143-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Thomas" <byeya@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Vandermark, bass clarinet music Date: 15 Jul 2001 20:39:54 -0500 > From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca>: > ...which brings me to my question for the day: can anybody out there > recommend some particularly interesting (and preferrably in-print) examples > of good, energetic bass clarinet playing? Ken Vandermark's red-scalp solos > continue to impress me, but I'm particuarly taken with them when they're > rounded out by some woody, low-register shuddering that only a clarinet can > deliver. Anyone? > I have always liked Vandermark's _Caffeine_ album for some good bass clarinet music of his. It's on Okka and from their webpage http://www.okkadisk.com/ it's marked sadly as SOLD OUT. Keep an eye out for used copies. I like the recommendations others have made for other artists and would also add: Harry Sparnaay _Ladder Of Escape_ Attacca Contains chamber music compositions plus a version of "God Bless the Child". Absolutely amazing performances. Cadence stocks this. John - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard ladew" <rladew@mediaone.net> Subject: Songs for the Hermetic Theater; Date: 15 Jul 2001 22:14:55 -0400 I have to agree with the folks that are having trouble getting in to this recording. The fluctuaing tones in the "electronic" piece are interesting I suppose. What is the distinction between "electronic" and "computer" i.e. what types of instruments were used to create the "electronic" piece? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com> Subject: b-52s & yoko Date: 15 Jul 2001 23:23:18 -0400 I saw the CD of B-52s' "Whammy" in a used store this weekend and started to pick it up because I love their reworking of Yoko Ono's "Don't Worry." But then I noticed it's not on the CD. Anybody know why? Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com> Subject: fennesz Date: 15 Jul 2001 23:25:28 -0400 How do you pronounce his name? I keep wanting to make it three syllables which can't be right (must be a Southern thing). And any opinions on the new album? Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com> Subject: maybe monday - saturn's finger Date: 16 Jul 2001 01:20:33 -0400 I heard on the radio something from an album by Maybe Monday, a group of Fred Frith, Larry Ochs and Miya Masaoka. It's called Saturn's Finger but is there anybody in the US who stocks it? Can't turn up any source. Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "doron galili" <doronjgalili@hotmail.com> Subject: links Date: 16 Jul 2001 06:09:02 Hello! Just wanted to ask if anybody on the list knows some links to web sites where I can read about Japanese new / avant grade / underground music, about bands from the new Japan series, or similar stuff? Thanks- d. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org Subject: Re: b-52s & yoko Date: 16 Jul 2001 03:08:53 -0400 At 23:23 15/07/01 -0400, wlt4 wrote: >pick it up because I love their reworking of Yoko Ono's "Don't Worry." But >then I noticed it's not on the CD. Anybody know why? Apparently the 52's didn't manage to have clear the copyrights / obtain permission when the album was re-issued on CD. (bad Yoko Ono) Note: There is also an LP version which has "Moon 83" instead of "Don't Worry" - says the discography at http://www.execpc.com/~krieg/links/b52s.discog - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl> Subject: Odp: Frith/Barondown? Date: 15 Jul 2001 15:06:58 +0200 These might have been two separte concerts on a single issue. The barrondown concert in Mozg club, Bydgoszcz (northern Poland) was one of the best live shows i've been to. If this is it, go catch it. The frith part might be one two conceerts he gave there; or guitar quartet (that was fantastic i've not been to the solo shows, but i've been told that they were impressive) Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com> Subject: Re: links Date: 16 Jul 2001 06:38:54 -0400 At 06:09 AM 7/16/01, doron galili wrote: > >Just wanted to ask if anybody on the list knows some links to web sites >where I can read about Japanese new / avant grade / underground music, about >bands from the new Japan series, or similar stuff? Try http://www.japanimprov.com. -- One day the United States discovered that it was an empire. But it didn't know what an empire was. It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations. -- Roberto Calasso Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Edgar=20Lee?= <edgaralee@yahoo.com.au> Subject: Prague Date: 16 Jul 2001 21:44:01 +1000 (EST) I'm currently in Prague. Could someone please advise me of good record shops, bands and venues happening this week and what are the best Plastic People of the universe CDs to buy. Thanks Edgar _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: Re: Masada Live in NY Date: 16 Jul 2001 14:22:43 +0200 --Apple-Mail-1848566992-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Joey Baron - skins & sticks Steve Cardenas - guitar Brad Shepik - guitar uncertain young lad, 20 years old - bass > What's the lineup for Killer Joey? greetings, Rob @ risk > np: alasnoaxis --Apple-Mail-1848566992-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Joey Baron - skins & sticks Steve Cardenas - guitar Brad Shepik - guitar uncertain young lad, 20 years old - bass <excerpt><fixed>What's the lineup for Killer Joey? </fixed></excerpt><fixed> greetings, Rob @ risk <excerpt> np: alasnoaxis</excerpt></fixed> --Apple-Mail-1848566992-1-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: Dockings Date: 16 Jul 2001 14:28:43 +0200 Zorn-agains, Been to NorthSeaJazz yesterday. Seen Han Bennink, Karta (M Stockhausen), Farmers Market (Stian Carstersen) and Michel Portal's Dockings band with Markus Stockhausen and Joey Baron. I cannot stress enough how wonderful that last concert was. Go out and get the Dockings CD if you can find it. It's on 'Label Blue' (contact@label-blue.fr). It came close to a Masada experience: bassclarinet/trumpet/bass/drums (+piano). Just incredible and fast interplay! It became obvious that Portal rehearsed only with the piano player and the bass player. Joey Baron only greeted Portal ten minutes before the concert. The old-looking bearded drummer had a hard time remembering the songs since recording them in 1997. He pulled it off but not without some hesitations only apparent to those who were familiar with the CD release. Stockhausen also refrained from playing on the non-dockings tracks leaving him standing in the wings for quite some time. If you like Masada, if you like bass clarinet flavours, then get D O C K I N G S. greetings, Rob @ risk np: alasnoaxis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Killer Joey Date: 16 Jul 2001 15:08:50 +0200 >From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> > >Joey Baron - skins & sticks >Steve Cardenas - guitar >Brad Shepik - guitar >uncertain young lad, 20 years old - bass > >>What's the lineup for Killer Joey? I┤ve seen the band last summer and the bass player was Tony Scherr. Andreas np: Max Nagl - The Evil Garden (November Music) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: Re: Killer Joey Date: 16 Jul 2001 15:10:57 +0200 >> Joey Baron - skins & sticks >> Steve Cardenas - guitar >> Brad Shepik - guitar >> uncertain young lad, 20 years old - bass > > I=B4ve seen the band last summer and the bass player was Tony Scherr. It definitely wasn't Sherr here. greetings, Rob @ risk np: Mark Feldman - Book of Tells - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Killer Joey Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:37:32 -0700 > np: Mark Feldman - Book of Tells What the hell is this? Never heard of it & dying to know more. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: RE: Killer Joey Date: 16 Jul 2001 11:37:26 -0400 New disc of Feldman's string quartets, out on Enja in Europe and coming to America in a month or two. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:38 AM Cc: Zornlist > np: Mark Feldman - Book of Tells What the hell is this? Never heard of it & dying to know more. skip h - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Killer Joey Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:47:51 -0700 > New disc of Feldman's string quartets, out on Enja in Europe and coming to > America in a month or two. > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:38 AM > To: Rob Allaert; Andreas Dietz > Cc: Zornlist > Subject: Re: Killer Joey > > >> np: Mark Feldman - Book of Tells > > What the hell is this? Never heard of it & dying to know more. > > skip h > Had heard that this would exist soon enough, but didn't know the title. How is it? skip heller http://www.skipheller.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Frith/Barondown? Date: 16 Jul 2001 09:21:18 -0700 On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:37:02 +0200 "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" wrote: > > Just saw this on towerrecords.com: Fred Frith/Baron Down: "Live at = > Mozg". Anyone knos about this recording? Never really heard about it. Could be: 302 - MOZG - 5 LAT: various artists This record features Habanera Z Operi (1), Mazzoll & Arhythmic Perfection (2), Teleecho (3), Trytony (4), Sylvie Courvoisier & Tomasz Pawlicki (5), Zdzislaw Piernik & Slawomir Janicki (6), Pieces of Brain (7), Maestro Trytony (8), Kazik Staszewski (9), Maslo (10), Tomasz Gwincinski/Peter Gonzales/Tomasz Pawlicki (11), 4 Syfon (12), Caridad de la Luz (13), Barondown (14), Tymon Tymanski (15), Fred Frith (16). 16/ Fragment Koncertu (Fred Frith) 5:24 Recorded live at Mozg Club, Bydgoszcz (Poland) on December 5, 1998 Fred Frith: guitar. 1999 - Mozg Production (Poland), MOZGCD004 (CD) Note: limited edition of 1000 copies. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: HANATARASHI, KILSLUG - WANTED! Date: 16 Jul 2001 18:59:59 +0100 (BST) First of all, sorry for crossposting. HANATARASHI / HANATARASH - WANTED! 1. 'Hanatarashi' LP (a.k.a '1') Alchemy Records, Japan, CN: ARLP 007, 1985 2. 'Worst Selektion' CS PCM/MARS, Japan, CN: 13, 1985 3. 'Live & Confused' Video RRR, U.S, CN: RRRTV 03, 1989/90? I'm after certain other HANATARASHI/HANATARASH titles also, especially cassettes. If you have anything and will part with it, get it touch. I'd prefer to buy. KILSLUG / SICKNESS (pre KILSLUG) - WANTED! KILSLUG. 1. 'Kilslug' 7" self released?, 1982? 2. 'Warlocks Witches Demons' 7" self released, 1982 3. 'Necktie Party' 7" self released, 1983 4. 'Autopsy Performing' 7" self released?, 1984? SICKNESS (pre KILSLUG). 1. 'Corpsemonger'/'Regurgatation' 7" Stinky Bike, U.S, CN: 8104, 1981 Again, I'd prefer to buy. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Reply to: blackoperations_uk@hotmail.com Thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Slightly OT: Alamaailman Vasarat Date: 16 Jul 2001 14:17:40 EDT Received a small package from CDRoots today, one which contained _Vasaraasia_, the eponymous CD by the above band, which consists of members of the now-defunct ensemble Hoyry-Kone. If you can imagine early Univers Zero gone klezmer, you about have where this band is coming from. Absolutely essential stuff. Go to their website @ www.vasarat.com and download their hilarious 4 Meg MPEG "video" of "Kebeb Tai Henki!" (Kebeb Or Die!) to get a further idea of the band... -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@webmind.com> Subject: RE: Killer Joey Date: 16 Jul 2001 14:32:31 -0400 >> Joey Baron - skins & sticks >> Steve Cardenas - guitar >> Brad Shepik - guitar >> uncertain young lad, 20 years old - bass > > I┤ve seen the band last summer and the bass player was Tony Scherr. It definitely wasn't Sherr here. ------- Tony S hasn't been playing with them recently. The young bass player of mystery is Thomas Morgan. I have some friends who are in Manhattan School of Music with him. Jim M - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?RmFudPRtYXM=?= Date: 16 Jul 2001 23:24:23 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10E4E.72CD9C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone! I can't help recommending Fant=F4mas' "The Director's Cut" to all of you = after a couple of listenings. Totally different from their previous release, this recording of = soundtrack covers is absolutely imaginative, pompous, virtuosistic and = with a small dose of bad taste ("The Omen" is the uncoolest thing I've = ever heard) every once in a while. Absolutely enjoyable and this time = Patton has decided to sing again (I didn't specially miss it but it's = welcome anyway). I really think that this will make happy both Mr. = Bungle/Fant=F4mas fans and even the old FNM nostalgics. BTW, good news for Europeans here: Caroline will be handling the = European distribution for Ipecac, which means (at least in Spain) around = 30% lower prices!!. Regards, Efr=E9n del Valle n.p: (Obviously) Fant=F4mas "The Director's Cut" ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10E4E.72CD9C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi everyone!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I can't help recommending Fantômas' "The = Director's=20 Cut" to all of you after a couple of listenings.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> Totally different from their previous release, = this=20 recording of soundtrack covers is absolutely imaginative, pompous, = virtuosistic=20 and with a small dose of bad taste ("The Omen" is the = uncoolest thing=20 I've ever heard) every once in a while. Absolutely enjoyable and this = time=20 Patton has decided to sing again (I didn't specially miss it but it's = welcome=20 anyway). I really think that this will make happy both Mr. = Bungle/Fantômas=20 fans and even the old FNM nostalgics.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>BTW, good news for Europeans here: Caroline will be = handling=20 the European distribution for Ipecac, which means (at least in Spain) = around 30%=20 lower prices!!.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Efrén del Valle</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>n.p: (Obviously) Fantômas "The Director's = Cut"</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10E4E.72CD9C40-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Maybe Monday Date: 16 Jul 2001 21:51:46 >I heard on the radio something from an album by Maybe Monday, a group of >Fred Frith, Larry Ochs and Miya Masaoka. It's called Saturn's Finger >but >is there anybody in the US who stocks it? Can't turn up any source. I don't know, it should be available somewhere, maybe not through the usual sources. It is on Buzz, a dutch label that also put out that Trevor Dunn CD and something by Misha Mebgelberg, and is distributed by Allegro, the same people who distribute the Black Saint/Soul Note stuff. I remember having a hard time finding some of that stuff back when I was in North Carolina, but then also seeing it pop up in Best Buy or whatever. Strange. About the album -- I haven't heard it, but hopefully it is better than the show I saw. I saw them last spring (?) in San Francisco in front of a pretty big audience. It was ok, but somewhat frustrating as well knowing what they are capable of. But I have heard better reports on the CD, and besides, if you heard it and liked it, you probably don't have a need for my opinion anyway!! WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com> Subject: Re: Prague Date: 16 Jul 2001 17:42:27 -0400 You'll definitely want to check out the Akropolis- one of the few concert venues left there. Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com> Subject: Re[2]: Prague Date: 16 Jul 2001 19:57:08 -0400 Hello Edgar, The other place to check is Archa Theater. I'm not sure though that something is going on there now. Actually, you can get the schedule of all events almost at any bar. Ad for stores, try to find little store on Navrotilova street, which have some good avant-jazz collection. Bear in mind, that it is opened only in the day time and it is impossible to find it when it is closed. The other good place is Radost FX, which is very close to Vacslavska Namnesti. And don't forget that the best beer/hang out places are in Zhishkov. Akropolis is right in the middle of it. Monday, July 16, 2001, you wrote to me: PSF> You'll definitely want to check out the Akropolis- one of the few concert PSF> venues left there. NP: Sixteen Horsepower "Low Estate" (CD) -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DKuper9200@aol.com Subject: Re: bass clarinet Date: 16 Jul 2001 21:26:37 EDT Check out "Spasm - Michael Lowenstern [performing] works for bass clarinet" - New World Records Regards, David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Philip Jeck Date: 17 Jul 2001 01:56:53 EDT after a few listens, British turntablist Philip Jeck's just-released Vinyl Coda IV (Intermedium) seems like his strongest, most coherent statement yet. let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent play in your house these days? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com> Subject: Bird music on Mappings, week beginning July 17, 2001 Date: 17 Jul 2001 01:29:51 -0500 Hi, This week Mappings, a weekly new music program on Antenna Internet Radio <http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm> presents music by, for and/or of birds created and/or documented by Paul Panhuysen & the Galvanos, Ellen Band, If, Bwana, Leo Kupper, Alvin Lucier, George E Lewis, Maciunas Ensemble & Kanary Grand Band, and Olivier Messiaen. The RealAudio recording went online about 10-11 pm (Greenwich -0800) on Monday night and will remain online for a week. I hope you have a chance to check out the show. Last week's program (featuring music for gamelan by John Cage, Phillip Corner, Lou Harrison, Jeff Morris, Jarrad Powell, Tony Prabowo, James Tenney, Ki Wasitodiningrat, Sint Wullur, and Evan Ziporyn) is available in the archives: <http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index1.htm> See you online. Bests, Herb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Rath <fripp@mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 01:47:17 -0500 >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent >play in your house these days? (and at work and in my car...) Aube's Millennium series (currently the 2nd trio) and "Blood Brain Barrier". Anything by Augur, especially "All the Smallest Granules of Time". Lustmord, all of them. Robert Rich, several of them. Illusion of Safety, "Of & The". And as a nostalgia kick, tons of 70's Tangerine Dream - mostly live boots. Craig M. Rath H: fripp@mn.mediaone.net W: rathc@questarweb.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David John Howarth" <david@bundom.clara.co.uk> Subject: test2 Date: 17 Jul 2001 07:55:20 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10E95.D3BBC9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tried to send this some days ago, probs with sending to list >=3D20 >On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:38 William Crump wrote:=3D20 Color me floored! Welcome to the list, homebrew! This is the beginning > of the big Frank's Apa takeover or my name's not... uh... >=3D20 > oh, yeah: > William Crump Well take over, buy out, whatever. That nice Caleb even gave me a personal reply,what can I say other than great list! On another front, and I realise that this must have been covered several times; but I bought the these at yr=3D20 fave London Jazz shop - Mole Jazz- earlier today. "Willem Breuker Kollektief - Live At The donaueschingen Music Festival 1975" [And I'd like to know where to go=3D20 from there...] And Joseph Jarman and Marilyn Crispell "Connecting Spirits" which is from '96 on Music & Arts and I thought I'd mention that with my (small) collection of stuff on this label, I've never been disappointed. Comments anyone? Yr New Pal Dave Howarth ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10E95.D3BBC9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#c8e0d8> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>Tried to send this some = days ago,=20 probs with sending to list<BR><BR>>=3D20<BR>>On Mon, 09 Jul = 2001 13:38=20 William Crump wrote:=3D20<BR><BR>Color me floored! Welcome to the list, = homebrew!=20 This is the beginning<BR>> of the big Frank's Apa takeover or my = name's=20 not... uh...<BR>>=3D20<BR>> oh, yeah:<BR>> William = Crump<BR><BR>Well take=20 over, buy out, whatever. That nice Caleb even gave me<BR> a = personal=20 reply,what can I say other than great list!<BR><BR> On another = front, and I=20 realise that this must have<BR>been covered several times; but I bought = the=20 these at yr=3D20<BR>fave London Jazz shop - Mole Jazz- earlier=20 today.<BR>"Willem Breuker Kollektief - Live At The = donaueschingen<BR>Music=20 Festival 1975" [And I'd like to know where to go=3D20<BR>from = there...]<BR>And=20 Joseph Jarman and Marilyn Crispell "Connecting Spirits"<BR>which is from = '96 on=20 Music & Arts and I thought<BR>I'd mention that with my (small) = collection of=20 stuff<BR>on this label, I've never been disappointed.<BR>Comments=20 anyone?<BR><BR>Yr New Pal<BR>Dave=20 Howarth</FONT><BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10E95.D3BBC9E0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julien Quint <julien.quint@imag.fr> Subject: Re: Philip Jeck Date: 17 Jul 2001 09:26:41 +0200 Le Mardi 17 Juillet 2001 07:56, JonAbbey2@aol.com a =E9crit : > let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most > frequent play in your house these days? While I'm waiting for my copy of the new Fennesz album to arrive, I've be= en=20 listening quite steadily to Max Nagl's "The Evil Garden", a very original= =20 (and succesful) attempt of musical adaptation of the works of Edward Gore= y.=20 Some new and interesting stuff I got includes Noriko Tujiko's album on Me= go,=20 David Grubb's "30-minute raven" and Noel Akchot=E9's "Simple Joseph" on=20 Rectangle, and not especially new or zorn-related but I find that a minid= isc=20 with the RZA's soundtrack to "Ghost Dog" (the Japanese version) and the=20 Dillinger Escape Plan is a good listen on the way to work at this moment. Julien - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:00:33 -0000 Hello. >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most >frequent >play in your house these days? "Clearing" by Fred Frith. One of my favorite Tzadik releases so far! Anybody else digging this? I think it's very cool that Tzadik has started a series dedicated to experimental female musicians and composers. Only one release so far, but I'm curious what the future will bring. And why oh why, is "The Gift" released in the "Archival" series. Is it old compositions or so┤mething like that? Finally. Wouldn't it be cool if Tzadik made a "Live" series??? (ah, Naked City...) It's seems they have slowly started with first Ruins and now Rovo. Those are the only live CD on Tzadik right? But yeah, "Clearing". One of best solo guitar reocrds I can think of. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 04:04:31 EDT In a message dated 7/17/01 4:01:24 AM, a_gadney@hotmail.com writes: << It's seems they have slowly started with first Ruins and now Rovo. Those are the only live CD on Tzadik right? >> there's also about a hundred Masada discs, more or less. and unless I'm really confused, the Rovo disc not only isn't out yet, but it's not being recorded until this weekend. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 01:09:05 -0700 >> let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent >> play in your house these days? Personally, I've been rediscovering Sonny Rollins -- WORK TIME and SAXOPHONE COLOSSUS. Also, I find myself reaching for Stevie Wonder records a lot. Go figure. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:14:11 -0000 ><< It's seems they have slowly started with first Ruins and now Rovo. >Those are the only live CD on Tzadik right? >> > >there's also about a hundred Masada discs, more or less. Of course! What's this thing about a forrest and some trees? :-) >and unless I'm >really confused, the Rovo disc not only isn't out yet, but it's not being >recorded until this weekend. Right, and Ruins isn't even released yet as well. I'm just getting over excited! If anybody goes to the Rovo show, please post comments. Nobody made it to the Ruins concert I presume...? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Frith with Joey Baron? Probably not. Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:16:53 -0000 This came on the Frith list, where the supposed Frith/Barondown CD was also discussed. Anyone know more about the FFGQ boot? Patrice, perhaps? >hi, > >maybe is it this one ? > >294 - MOZG - 5 LAT: various artists > > This record features Habanera Z Operi (1), Mazzoll & Arhythmic >Perfection > (2), Teleecho (3), Trytony (4), Sylvie Courvoisier & Tomasz Pawlicki >(5), > Zdzislaw Piernik & Slawomir Janicki (6), Pieces of Brain (7), Maestro > Trytony (8), Kazik Staszewski (9), Maslo (10), Tomasz Gwincinski/Peter > Gonzales/Tomasz Pawlicki (11), 4 Syfon (12), Caridad de la Luz (13), > Barondown (14), Tymon Tymanski (15), Fred Frith (16). > > 16/ untitled (Fred Frith) > > Recorded at Mozg Club, Bydgoszcz (Poland) on December 5, 1998 > > Fred Frith: guitar. > > 1999 - Mozg Production (Poland), 004 (CD) > > Note: limited edition of 1000 copies. >------------- > >I have also heard of a (bootleg ?) : > >*** - LIVE IN BYDGOSZCZ: Fred Frith Guitar Quartet > > 1/ A > 2/ B > 3/ C > 4/ D > 5/ E > 6/ F > 7/ G > 8/ H > 9/ Ayaya Moses > > recorded live in Bydgoszcz on June 24, 2000. > > 2000 ? - ? (Poland ?), ? (CD) >___________ > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> >To: <fred@lists.music.ch> >Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:31 PM >Subject: [fred] new cds > > > > Apparantly there was just released a live cd of Barondown featuring Fred > > Frith! Sounds very interesting! Has anybody heard it, or could provide >more > > info. When was it recorded? I thought Barondown was long gone, and >actually > > had no idea that Frith played with them. In fact, I didn't know Frith >had > > played with Baron since Naked City broke up, and was pleasently >surprised >to > > learn otherwise. Baron is one of the greatest drumemrs around. > > > > There has been a lot of Frith improvisation disc released lately, and >I'm > > curious which one is people's favorite! Are they all quite similar...? > > Frith/Cutler, Frith/Mori/Dresser, Frith/Sclavis/Drout, Frith/Drout, > > Frith/Maybe Monday...... It's quite a bunch! Where to start!? > > > > Cheers. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fred-unsubscribe@lists.music.ch > > For additional commands, e-mail: fred-help@lists.music.ch > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Dockings Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:19:58 -0000 >Been to NorthSeaJazz yesterday. Seen Han Bennink, How was this show? A solo performance? >Farmers Market (Stian Carstersen) And what about this one? I remeber the CD was much talked about on this list earlier, but I never got around to picking it up. > np: alasnoaxis Is this better than the recent very weak live performances? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 10:44:29 +0200 > >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent > >play in your house these days? Lots of stuff... Also some older CDs/records I hadn't listened to in a while. Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle Mad, mad, mad solo drumming... Missing Persons, Color In Your Life One of my all-time fave pop/rock records. John Zorn / Michihiro Sato, Ganryu Island I used to just find this amusing to listen to, but now I've actually discovered there's more to it Pantera, Far Beyond Driven Just love the power on this one... Naked City, Torture Garden This one just puts me into a different world - after listening to it I usually feel as if I was on drugs... Munadjat Yulchieva, World Network Vol. 38 Still love this woman's voice. It's magic! Huun-Huur-Tu, The Orphan's Lament Very good traditional Mongolian music / throat-singing. Iannis Xenakis, Chamber Music 1955 - 1990 I'm still amazed at some of the sounds Xenakis got out of those instruments. patRice np: Eminem, Slim Shady LP nr: F. H. Davis, Myths & Legends Of Japan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt> Subject: gimme me a hand... (NZC) Date: 17 Jul 2001 12:45:51 +0100 (WET DST) (i'm resending this because i haven't see it posted) Hi fellaws! well, there is this book/cd/film/informatic store (it's something called FNAC, european zornlister's probably already heard of it) that is planning a Black October dedicated to Horror and terror (for a diference on the words read Ernst Junger "the adventurous heart") and are asking for client sugestions. the best sugestion gets a check of 5000esc (20US? 25 euro). they ask for film, literature,books or themes to work on... so... gimme me a hand, yeah? (i just remember edward gorey because my last buy was "the evil garden" by Max Nagl, a great CD) greets! Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net> Subject: RE: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:23:33 -0400 Having recently seen DEPECHE MODE live (I flew from Caracas, VENEZUELA to Miami just to see them), my CD playlist right now includes a lot of ... yes, DEPECHE MODE! DEPECHE MODE Exciter Dream On (single) Only when I lose Myself (single) Ultra Songs of Faith and Devotion oh, picked up the latest TRICKY CD BLOWBACK. Anyone into TRICKY here. This album is way too pop, and well, in my opinion is very good. I enjoyed ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES (with some New York Downtown players like Marc Ribot, Greg Cohen, etc.) which is very chaotic and disturbing at times, but BLOWBACK is algo good. Neil ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: DEPECHE MODE (was: Recent frequent plays) Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:36:09 +0200 "Neil H. Enet" wrote: > Having recently seen DEPECHE MODE live (I flew from Caracas, VENEZUELA to > Miami just to see them), my CD playlist right now includes a lot of ... yes, > DEPECHE MODE! Lucky you! I couldn't get a ticket anymore! The gig in Switzerland (Europe) was sold out within a few hours... > > > DEPECHE MODE Exciter > Dream On (single) > Only when I lose Myself (single) > Ultra > Songs of Faith and Devotion I have all of their albums, and couldn't possibly pick one as being my favourite. But do you also know: Music for the masses? 101 live? Violator? I can recommend those... Also I think their very 1st album was very good - for the time... patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca> Subject: Mr. fela arto vandermark Date: 17 Jul 2001 10:09:35 -0300 Since I saw Arto Lindsay at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago - I've been re-listening to his last 3-4 albums -he put on a great live show, re-working (and in many cases, speeding up) songs primarily off his last two albums. Also, caught the Vandermark 5 at the 'other' jazz-fest going on during the Montreal Jazz Fest at Casa del popolo - as someone else recently commented on the list - they were smokin! Much better than the last time I saw them which was at Victoriaville last year - their new album sounds like it will be the best so far. Finally, thanks to all who gave me input on checking Prince out in Montreal - the show turned out to be a blast. Although he played with the audiences mind for the first set (long improvisation/jams that sounded about 2 steps away from elevator jazz/practically no reconizable songs/Prince not really singing/moving, sometimes leaving the stage), the second set was a different beast altogether - Prince even teased the chrowd and asked "who was the guy who was out here earlier?" everyone went nuts - of course he ended with a 15 minute version of Purple Rain! Still, I wonder how Test was that night. As for other current listening - I know it's been said before, but everyone do yourself a big favour and go out and buy 15-20 Fela Kuti albums and hunker down in the house for a week or two. It may be some expensive shit! to buy that many albums, but boy oh boy it is goooooooooooooood. mike. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: Arto Lindsay / Fela Kuti Date: 17 Jul 2001 15:19:26 +0200 mwoodwor wrote: > Since I saw Arto Lindsay at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago - > I've been re-listening to his last 3-4 albums -he put on a great live show, > re-working (and in many cases, speeding up) songs primarily off his last two > albums. Do you know who played with him? I saw him twice a few years ago and also enjoyed the shows very much. Both times Marc Ribot was in the band - my guitar God... Was also lucky enough to meet Arto and Marc during the break - lovely guys! > > > As for other current listening - I know it's been said before, but everyone do > yourself a big favour and go out and buy 15-20 Fela Kuti albums and hunker > down in the house for a week or two. It may be some expensive shit! to buy > that many albums, but boy oh boy it is goooooooooooooood. Are the albums really as hot as so many people claim? (Unfortunately I missed out on the discussion on this list... - Archives time maybe? ;-)) patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Kargatis / Anne Larson" <lartis@ath.forthnet.gr> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 17:10:52 +0300 Jon Abbey: > after a few listens, British turntablist Philip Jeck's just-released Vinyl > Coda IV (Intermedium) seems like his strongest, most coherent statement yet. What are some likely sources for this (me being lazy and not looking myself atm)? > let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent > play in your house these days? Sorry, this is a bit long, but I've been meaning to make a short write-up of stuff, so will take the opportunity. I just wish I had more to say - I'm a terrible music writer, but feel bad I don't "give back" more to the net venues I frequent. I've mostly been shuffle-playing mp3s ripped from my recent acquisitions (few of them particularly hot off the presses): (no particular order) * I've marked some real winners that have probably escaped more notice than should've. JAZZ/IMPROV: Barry Guy's INSCAPE-TABLEAUX - as nice as reported Dixon/Oxley - PAPYRUS vol 1 - as nice as expected Several Erstwhile releases, which are all pretty much fantastic - thanks Jon!! Larry Ochs Sax & Drumming Core - a cd-r Larry sent me to test-drive - a nice sax/2-drums set that really focuses on the drums as separate instruments and doesn't sound at all like a free-jazz sax blowout with drum accompaniment, as one might possibly fear with the instrumental lineup and history of it. Phil Haynes/Herb Robertson - BROOKLYN/BERLIN (CIMP) - Herb can rarely do wrong for me, and this is a solid quintet record. I think I like Phil's sequence (form the liners) more than the cd's (Bob Rusch's? Herb's?) * Rob Blakeslee - WATERLOO ICE HOUSE (Louis) - I really really like this record, a quartet with Rich Halley on tenor. Subtle, moody, incisive. Almost the epitome of what I look for in a modern jazz record. The recent batch of Sun Ra Evidence reissues from '63, '73, and '78. Great stuff, plenty from that canonical spacey era of his. Tim Berne - THE SHELL GAME (Thirsty Ear) - I'm a major Berne fan, and this one's awesome, imo. Craig Taborn introduces a new, abstract/funky electronics and keyboard sound to Tim, and pushes him to new heights of tension and abstraction. Tom Rainey rules as always. Billy Harper - SOUL OF AN ANGEL - I don't know what it is about Harper out of all the unapolgetic Trane descendants, but I can listen to him all day. * Alex Maguire & Michael Moore - MT OLYMPUS (Ramboy) - great, pretty, intelligent sax/piano duets. Arthur Gadney asks: > > np: alasnoaxis > Is this better than the recent very weak live performances? Jim Black - ALASNOAXIS (W&W) - Haven't seen 'em, but I'm growing to like this one quite a bit. Lots of variety, from more abstract Paul-Motian-esque tunes (well, I've always found Motian's writing to be abstract and hard to get a handle on) to funk-punk-fuzz avant-jazz. And gorgeous pop-like melodies like "Boombye". Mike Stern - PLAY (Atlantic) - features Scofield and Frisell on guitars (different cuts) - it's a pleasant Stern jazz record, nothing head-turning. If you already like Stern's stuff, ok, but don't buy it for the guests. * Nels Cline - DESTROY ALL NELS CLINE (Atavistic) - well, I can't get enough of Nels. I just love his guitar, and love his albums. This one's a guitar-fest, with 4 of them, plus rhythm and guests, performing a wide range of episodic jazz/rock/improv. Excellent. Otomo Yoshihide New Jazz Quintet - FLUTTER (Tzadik) - I'm with a previous poster a while back in wanting a little bit more electronic craziness injected into what seems to often be fairly straight jazz readings. I like the fine droning piece the best. [Actually, listening now - not so straight really, just not as electronically fucked up as one might expect/hope.] (*sort of* improv...) John Wall - FRACTUUR (Utterpsalm) - *finally* I've heard this oft-mentioned landmark. Lives up to its reputation. Exceptionally cool. CLASSICAL: * Claude Vivier - (Phillips) - a recommendation from r.m.c.contemporary. These are really gorgeous works from a Canadian spectralist. Xenakis - ORCH/CHAMBER WORKS (Col Legno) - do I need to comment? Excellent release. Kaija Saariaho - FROM THE GRAMMAR OF DREAMS (Ondine) - new recordings of lots of her vocal pieces. I love Saariaho's instrumental timbre-bending work, but I'm no great fan of voice in general. Still pretty nice. Paul Dolden - L'IVRESSE DE LA VITESSE (IMED) - Dolden's works are just way out super-dense multiply-layered orchestra-tape pieces, often with soloist. Big, crazy sound! ELECTRONICA: Autechre - CONFIELD (Warp) - more experimental than previous stuff, less groovy wacked-out rhythms that they're so good at. Some of it's very cool, like the first track which sounds like a bb in a high gravitational field bouncing on a cymbal over synth washes, but other tracks just sound like too much mismatched sequences that sound stilted for stiltedness' sake (oo, onomatopoeia!). Arovane - ATOL SCRAP - sorta like an alternate Autechre for those who didn't want Autechre to do CONFIELD. :) Don't want it to sound like it's a worthless copy (it's not, and I like it), but it's in that sonic neighborhood. Oval - OVALCOMMERS (Thrill Jockey) - this and the last (I think) are generated rather than put together "manually" by Popp. I haven't heard OVALPROCESS yet, but this is more noisy and less "pleasant" than the early Oval. Still ear-stretching though, and cool. Just subscribed to The Wire for the first time, and have lots of random tracks from the Wire Tappers 1-5,7. Much of that is fun and interesting. POP/ROCK: Burning Airlines - IDENTIKIT (Southern) - a recent fave indie band from DC, led by J Robbins coming out of Jawbox. This is their followup to their excellent debut MISSION CONTROL, which I'd start with. Modest Mouse - MOON & ANTARCTICA - I love these guys. Edgy, funny, unpredictable. Download "Tiny Cities Made of Ashes" and see what you think. Pere Ubu (playing catchup here) - PENNSYLVANIA (98 studio) and APOCALYPSE NOW (91 live) - still going strong. The live show is a goodie. Love this line from PA's "SAD.TXT": "One day I will be the best that you can do." Lucinda Williams - ESSENCE - a fine followthrough from CAR WHEELS ON A GRAVEL ROAD from this revered folk/country/rock singer/writer. More contemplative and introspective than CAR WHEELS. patRice said: > Iannis Xenakis, Chamber Music 1955 - 1990 > I'm still amazed at some of the sounds Xenakis got out of those instruments. This is such an amazing release. Truly essential, no? I gotta say I just adore the unrelenting dissonance of "Tetora". Btw, the above was a fair sampling of recent purchasing habits - feel free to pass on (on or off-list) non-obvious suggestions inspired by the above. vince np: Joe McPhee - "Deep River" (IN THE SPIRIT, CIMP) Oops, forgot to mention that one above. Good McPhee. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck] Date: 17 Jul 2001 10:08:18 -0400 Mohamed Adbel Wahab: The HMV Recordings, Vol. 1 (EMI Arabia) Botch: We Are the Romans (Hydra Head) Butthole Surfers: Rembrandt Pussyhorse, Locust Abortion Technician, Hairway to Steven (all Latino Bugger Veil '99 remasters), The Last Astronaut (aborted '98 Capitol release via download) Cave In: Beyond Hypothermia, Until Your Heart Stops, Creative Eclipses, Jupiter (all on Hydra Head) Giles, Giles & Fripp: Metaphormosis (Tenth Planet) Dennis Gonzalez: Yells At Eels (daagnim) Rich Halley: Coyotes in the City (Louie) Isis: Mosquito Control EP (Escape Artist), The Red Sea (Second Nature), Celestial (Escape Artist), SGNL>05 (Neurot) Jaguares: Cuando la Sangre Galopa (BMG Mexico) Matthias Pintscher: Sur Depart, Herodiade-Fragment, Music from Thomnas Chatterton - NDR Symphony/Eschenbach (Teldec) Antonio Vivaldi: Late Violin Concertos - Giuliano Carmignola, VBO/Marcon (Sony Classical) Live shows: Keith Jarrett Trio, Cheikha Rimitti, Sussan Deyheim, Les Tetes Brulees, N'Der et la Setsima Group, Bob Dorough On order: Old Man Gloom, Seminar II and Seminar III (Tortuga) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nada NR - Eduardo Galeano, Faces & Masks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com> Subject: Re: Philip Jeck Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:21:54 -0500 On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 01:56:53AM -0400, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > after a few listens, British turntablist Philip Jeck's just-released Vinyl > Coda IV (Intermedium) seems like his strongest, most coherent statement yet. > > let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent > play in your house these days? At the risk of losing my avant cred, October Project: s/t David Bowie: Black Tie White Noise Catler Brothers: Crash Landing -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: RE: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 10:17:59 -0400 > I just wish I had more to say - I'm a > terrible music writer, but feel bad I don't "give back" more to the net > venues I frequent. Speaking from longtime experience, I have to disagree with this... ;-) > * Rob Blakeslee - WATERLOO ICE HOUSE (Louis) - I really really like this > record, a quartet with Rich Halley on tenor. Subtle, moody, incisive. > Almost the epitome of what I look for in a modern jazz record. Enthusiastically seconded. Halley's missing on Blakeslee's followup, 'Last Minute Gifts,' which instead features trombonist Michael Vlatkovich. Recommended highly all the same. But Halley's fans will be super-pleased to hear that he's got a new trio date on Louie with bassist Clyde Reed and drummer/label head Dave Storrs, 'Coyotes in the City.' Halley in long, ripping stretches of gritty tenor goodness. And as usual from this label, exemplary mastering by Dave Trenkel... As a New Yorker who gets damn near everything in the world offered up on a stage sooner or later, I'm still feeling mighty lucky to have been one of a handful who caught Rob's 'Waterloo' quartet two years ago at the Cornelia Street Cafe (I skipped a Nels Cline gig to be there!). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuckp8@juno.com Subject: Fw: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 07:37:37 -0700 >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent >play in your house these days? (and at work and in my car...) Nylon Coated Cats Manu Chao Kalacakra Pelt Nishihinon Biota Archie Shepp Acid Mothers Temple Taj Mahal Travelers Fela Kuti - worth it. CP. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com> Subject: Re: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck] Date: 17 Jul 2001 08:52:32 -0500 On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:08:18AM -0400, Steve Smith wrote: > Giles, Giles & Fripp: Metaphormosis (Tenth Planet) How is this? -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck] Date: 17 Jul 2001 07:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Steve, or anybody else, could you mind saying a few words about the following? I've heard little/nothing about these, but they look interesting: > Mohamed Adbel Wahab: The HMV Recordings, Vol. 1 (EMI > Arabia) > Botch: We Are the Romans (Hydra Head) > Cave In: Beyond Hypothermia, Until Your Heart Stops, > Creative Eclipses, > Jupiter (all on Hydra Head) > Isis: Mosquito Control EP (Escape Artist), The Red > Sea (Second Nature), > Celestial (Escape Artist), SGNL>05 (Neurot) > Matthias Pintscher: Sur Depart, Herodiade-Fragment, > Music from Thomnas > Chatterton - NDR Symphony/Eschenbach (Teldec) And even though you probably haven't listened to this, what is it? > On order: Old Man Gloom, Seminar II and Seminar III > (Tortuga) Thanks for indulging curious eyes/ears, -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: RE: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck] Date: 17 Jul 2001 11:04:00 -0400 While I've not listened to it quite enough to have a really minutely detailed opinion, I will say that this is broadly and clearly the missing link between GG&F and King Crimson, even without Greg Lake. If you've ever heard the version of "I Talk to the Wind" with Judy Dyble on 'Young Persons' Guide to King Crimson,' this is more of the same. Dyble sings only a couple of tunes here, though. The biggest difference, of course, is the presence of Ian McDonald. And Fripp is surely showing signs of the agressive guitarist he was to become on the first Crimson album. A worthwhile purchase, even as a $23 slab of vinyl. The material was clearly leaked by an insider - perhaps someone perturbed that they couldn't get a pile of cash out of Fripp to issue it in the King Crimson Collector's Club, where it surely belongs. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:53 AM On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:08:18AM -0400, Steve Smith wrote: > Giles, Giles & Fripp: Metaphormosis (Tenth Planet) How is this? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saleski <marks@foliage.com> Subject: DEPECHE MODE (was: Recent frequent plays) Date: 17 Jul 2001 11:13:26 -0400 i saw them on the Music For The Masses tour...funny thing, it was the only show i've ever walked out of. they started with Pimpf->Behind The Wheel... which i thought was a great opening sequence. but then everything kinda sounded the same after that. the only tune i could remember after that was Stripped. i dunno. maybe i just wasn't in the mood that night. i just seemed like the whole thing was phoned in....with all of the music coming from backing tapes. maybe they're not like that in concert now (they do seem to be getting great reviews). even though i didn't enjoy that particular show i did pick up Music For The Masses, Black Celebration and 101 Live mark > I have all of their albums, and couldn't possibly pick one as being my > favourite. > > But do you also know: > Music for the masses? > 101 live? > Violator? > > I can recommend those... > > Also I think their very 1st album was very good - for the time... > > patRice -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com "Is it so wrong, wanting to be at home with your record collection?" - Nick Hornby - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: RE: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck] Date: 17 Jul 2001 11:18:16 -0400 > Mohamed Adbel Wahab: The HMV Recordings, Vol. 1 (EMI > Arabia) Abdel Wahab's a lot like Oum Koulthoum, if that makes it any clearer. He had a fairly light tenor voice - the first time I played it for my girlfriend, she thought it *was* Koulthoum. Classic Egyptian sympho-folk-pop-art music from the early decades of the century. Can't really explain it any better than that. The recordings are from the '30s. > Botch: We Are the Romans (Hydra Head) > Cave In: Beyond Hypothermia, Until Your Heart Stops, > Creative Eclipses, > Jupiter (all on Hydra Head) > Isis: Mosquito Control EP (Escape Artist), The Red > Sea (Second Nature), > Celestial (Escape Artist), SGNL>05 (Neurot) All representative of what I surmise to be called "noisecore," though I'm not sure why. All based in Boston or recording for Boston-based Hydra Head. I hear lots of slow, angular metallic slabwork, foundary clankings, lost and found sounds, occasional analogue synths (in Isis, certainly). I'm still just getting to know this genre, but the general concept seems largly to follow from Godflesh and Neurosis, although I'm hearing similiarities to Helmet as well, and Cave In also displays an eary allegiance to the Melvins. I've generally thought that Isis was the best of these bands, and they certainly put on a compelling and hypnotic live show. But I've been spending the last week intently with the Cave In discs. The first two are extremely noisy and aggressive, the EP is a segue of sorts, and the latest album, 'Jupiter,' is a head-spinning about face that takes more of a melodic, space-prog approach. I've heard them described as "Slayer meets Radiohead" and while that's largely inaccurate, it should at least give you a notion of the ballpark. Cave In is also the band that will break out from this scene first, since they've just signed a deal with RCA. Botch is still sticking with the harder edge and harsher vocals. Old Man Gloom, from what I've heard, is a spin-off project involving members of Cave In, Isis, the Hydra Head label and the Newbury Comics shop. Can't tell you more than that, but I'm sure someone else could... Anyway, I've also located a webzine that does a reasonably good job of talking about these bands and some others... www.lambgoat.com. And Cave In's website is chock full of MP3 samples - www.hydrahead.com/cavein. > Matthias Pintscher: Sur Depart, Herodiade-Fragment, > Music from Thomnas > Chatterton - NDR Symphony/Eschenbach (Teldec) Post-Berg atonal orchestral writing by a 30-something German. I'll try to post again when I've gotten more of a handle on it - it just showed up yesterday. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com> Subject: Re: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck] Date: 17 Jul 2001 09:44:22 -0500 On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:04:00AM -0400, Steve Smith wrote: > If you've ever > heard the version of "I Talk to the Wind" with Judy Dyble on 'Young Persons' > Guide to King Crimson,' this is more of the same. Ooh... Sounds quite tempting. I hope it ends up on CD eventually... -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE (was: Recent frequent plays) Date: 17 Jul 2001 17:43:40 +0200 Mark Saleski wrote: > > i dunno. maybe i just wasn't in the mood that night. i just seemed like the whole > thing was phoned in....with all of the music coming from backing tapes. maybe > they're not like that in concert now (they do seem to be getting great reviews). I saw them on their last tour, and it was very good. Around the 101 shows they were doing lots of stuff from tapes/sequencers, I think. And I can understand you got the impression you did get... (Besides, I think they were totally burnt-out on that tour anyways; it lasted for ages...) On the last tour it was more of a live thing; including a drummer. (Is he still with them now?) Well - rather off-topic now, I know... Sorry to those not interested in DM. patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com> Subject: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 12:30:33 -0400 >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent >play in your house these days? Kazuki Tomokawa (w/ Haino guesting) - Erise No Me - PSF Michael Gira - Solo Recordings at Home - Young God Records SWANS - Live in Haltern 1988 - (no label) www.swans.pair.com David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 17 Jul 2001 12:34:11 EDT Alamaailman Vasarat- Vasaraasia Fania All Stars- Golden Drops Gourmet- Glamour & Decadence V.A.- Low End Recon Vol. 1 (A Dark Hop Transmission) Neurosis- Times Of Grace Mukta- Dancing on One's Hands Jackie McLean- Old And New Gospel Tarika- Soul Makassar Antibalas- Liberation Afro'Beat Vol. 1 Meshuggah- Destroy Erase Improve -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump <william@steno.com> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 17 Jul 2001 09:57:57 -0700 various: The Time-Life Collection of Classic Country Music (volumes from 1950-1975) Jon Spencer Blues Explosion: Now I Got Worry Soft Machine: Third Bang on a Can: Music for Airports Elvis Costello & the Attractions: Imperial Bedroom Peter Brotzmann Chicago Octet/Tentet (Okka 3CD) League of Gentlemen: Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx ...which reminds me, Steve Smith, has the League of Gentlemen studio album ever been released on CD in full? I seem to remember bits of it showing up on another release, but I can't recall exactly. William Crump - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gabriel Lichtmann" <la_lichuza@bancaria.net.ar> Subject: RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #501 Date: 17 Jul 2001 13:41:48 -0300 Let's see, recent frequent plays... Well they have been all my recent acquisitions, and things friends lent me or recorded for me, such as: Fantomas' "Director's Cut" (really great; cheesy -as someone said- but lots of fun), Otomo Yoshihide's "Flutter" (What do you think of it? I like it), "Mingus Ah Uhm" by you-already-know-who, P.I.L.'s "Metal Box" (the u.k. reissue), an early recording of Weil-Brecht's "Mahagony" (amazing), Neil Young's "Tonight the Night", Television's "Marquee Moon", and the reissue of Bob Marley's "Catch a Fire". Well that sums up the last three months or so, and I see there's a lot of "rock music" in it, so I feel like starting a thread...Which new/contemporary rock bands you think are worth the attention, or you find interesting? I personally have a thing for At the Drive In, but I don't see anything else that is worth my pesos. GABRIEL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 13:11:01 EDT Lots of pop/Americana these days. My Jazz and Classical always hibernates in the summer and emerges yawning and hungry in the fall. My current playlist: Wilco -- Summerteeth A whole buncha Jeff Tweedy and Ryan Adams boots Lucinda Williams -- Essence Robbie Fulks -- Country Love Songs Bob Mould -- Last Dog and Pony Show Rollins Band -- Yellow Blues John Prine -- In Spite of Ourselves Buddy Miller -- Cruel Moon Nick Lowe -- The Impossible Bird Alejandro Escovedo -- Bourbonitis Blues and I'm salivating in anticipation of the new Elvis Costello Rhino reissues that promise a bonus disc of unreleased demos, b-sides and outtakes with each album. I'm also eager to hear the new Dylan and Gillian Welch and Wilco and Ryan Adams releases. Okay, I've also been listening to Naked City and the new Dave Douglas and Roy Campbell and William Parker's Little Huey Orchestra. Poppin', Tom ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: what's getting dizzy in my players Date: 17 Jul 2001 12:27:50 -0500 (CDT) > >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent > >play in your house these days? OOOOhhhh OOOOOOOOhhhhhh OOOOOOhhhhhh, while maintaining a fresh approach to the staples such as Sonny Rollins and Eric Dolphy, I've actually I've been drastically moved by a reissue of Ravi Shankar at the Monterrey (sp?) Pop Festival in 1967. With him is Ustad Alla Rakha who does an immense of job of making me think like through listening like no other player. If you haven't heard this album, I would highly recommend it for the simplicity of these pieces. There are only three tracks but there is over an hour of music. Since I'm living in Norman, Oklahoma, USA there's been a strong influx of strong songwriting and structured music that blows me away. The Flaming Lips and the Starlight Mints are regular touring acts who still live here. The Flaming Lips actually just finished music for a documentary entitled "Okie Noodling" by director Brad Beasley. Check it out, it got some serious recognition in Austin at South by Southwest festival. So with this environmental change, I've actually been exposed to some serious bluegrass and good country that I never though would ever listen to... that has changed. But I love me my Masada live in Middleheim. Just as a little side note, in 1993 when Masada decided to do a five-city tour of the US, they picked Norman as the middle one. What the hell? I love it, I missed it because I wasn't living here yet, but I think it was all a part of John Zorn's humor. If any of you New York cats get to ask him something, ask why he stopped in Norman for that year. I think he went from chicago to Norman to San Francisco. Please let me know his answer... kasra - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org> Subject: RE: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 10:54:12 -0700 >At 10:17 AM -0400 7/17/2001, Steve Smith wrote: > >> * Rob Blakeslee - WATERLOO ICE HOUSE (Louis) - I really really like this >> record, a quartet with Rich Halley on tenor. Subtle, moody, incisive. >> Almost the epitome of what I look for in a modern jazz record. > >Enthusiastically seconded. Halley's missing on Blakeslee's followup, 'Last >Minute Gifts,' which instead features trombonist Michael Vlatkovich. >Recommended highly all the same. But Halley's fans will be super-pleased to >hear that he's got a new trio date on Louie with bassist Clyde Reed and >drummer/label head Dave Storrs, 'Coyotes in the City.' Halley in long, >ripping stretches of gritty tenor goodness. And as usual from this label, >exemplary mastering by Dave Trenkel... As a New Yorker who gets damn near >everything in the world offered up on a stage sooner or later, I'm still >feeling mighty lucky to have been one of a handful who caught Rob's >'Waterloo' quartet two years ago at the Cornelia Street Cafe (I skipped a >Nels Cline gig to be there!). It's great to see these records come up here! Having worked on these discs and given that Blakeslee, Storrs, Halley et al are old friends, my opinion is totally subjective, but I think they're doing some wonderful stuff. Halley, IMO, has never sounded better than on Coyotes. -- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: RE: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 17 Jul 2001 13:21:53 -0400 No, the complete original League of Gentlemen album was not ever transfered to CD. Seven tracks from that album were paired with the two tracks from side B of Fripp's 'God Save the Queen/Under Hevay Manners' LP (and one of those, "The Zero of the Signified," was renamed "God Save the King" and had a new guitar solo overdubbed four years after the fact). The new disc was called 'God Save the King' and might still be out there, but it doesn't especially do justice to either of the original releases. You're much better off with the live disc, all things considered. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of William Crump ...which reminds me, Steve Smith, has the League of Gentlemen studio album ever been released on CD in full? I seem to remember bits of it showing up on another release, but I can't recall exactly. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "josephneff" <jneff@visuallink.com> Subject: RE; recent frequent listening Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:16:56 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C10ECB.22E6DE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, ...to answer Jon's question, here goes... Merzbow & Null "Deus Irae" -the only thing I own by these two guys, a = nice clatter. Pulled off the shelf due to the Merzbow thread. The Meters s/t -Sundazed reish of the first album. Instrumental, tight, = dirty funk. To me, the record sits directly between Booker T & the MG's = and the sound of 70's funk. Eric Dolphy "Last Date" -picked this up at a Border's for a ten-spot, = it's the one with Bennink and Mengelberg. Sounds good, but I need more = time w/ it before drawing conclusions. Jacques Schols plays bass. I'm = not familiar with the name. What'd he do before/after? Ornette Coleman "New York is Now!" -great playing on this, Coleman and = Redmen with Garrison and Elvin Jones. While I normally like the Blue = Note CD reissues, this one bugs me a little bit. Michael Cuscuna's notes = mention the "Love Call" album by the same line-up. Titles mentioned in = the notes aren't on this disc, and I suspect that the same notes were = used for the "Love Call" CD. My real beef is that they left of the = original LP version of "We Now Interrupt for a Commercial". They give us = two versions of "Broad Way Blues" (nice), why not both versions of "We = Now..."?=20 in the car...dub tape of The Ladybug Transistor "The Albemarle Sound" = and Built to Spill's "Keep it Like a Secret". I remain... Joseph NP: Shuggie Otis "Inspiration Information" CD NR: Dave Eggers "A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius" =20 ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C10ECB.22E6DE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2> ...to answer = Jon's=20 question, here goes...</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Merzbow & Null "Deus Irae" -the = only thing I=20 own by these two guys, a nice clatter. Pulled off the shelf due to the = Merzbow=20 thread.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Meters s/t -Sundazed reish of = the first=20 album. Instrumental, tight, dirty funk. To me, the record sits directly = between=20 Booker T & the MG's and the sound of 70's funk.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Eric Dolphy "Last Date" -picked = this up=20 at a Border's for a ten-spot, it's the one with Bennink and Mengelberg. = Sounds=20 good, but I need more time w/ it before drawing conclusions. = Jacques=20 Schols plays bass. I'm not familiar with the name. What'd he do=20 before/after?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ornette Coleman "New York is = Now!" -great=20 playing on this, Coleman and Redmen with Garrison and Elvin Jones. While = I=20 normally like the Blue Note CD reissues, this one bugs me a little bit. = Michael=20 Cuscuna's notes mention the "Love Call" album by the same line-up. = Titles=20 mentioned in the notes aren't on this disc, and I suspect that the same = notes=20 were used for the "Love Call" CD. My real beef is that they left of the = original=20 LP version of "We Now Interrupt for a Commercial". They give us two = versions of "Broad Way Blues" (nice), why not both versions of "We=20 Now..."? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in the car...dub tape of The Ladybug = Transistor=20 "The Albemarle Sound" and Built to Spill's "Keep it Like a=20 Secret".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I remain...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joseph</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>NP: Shuggie Otis "Inspiration = Information"=20 CD</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>NR: Dave Eggers "A Heartbreaking = Work of=20 Staggering Genius" </FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C10ECB.22E6DE30-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:07:35 -0400 --============_-1216729238==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" jamie saft's first Sovlanut, such amazing playing and production. 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Anyway, my current faves: Greg Bendian/Interzone: Requiem for Jack Kirby: Terrific stuff w/ Bendian on Vibes, Nels + Alex Cline and a bassist I can't recall at the moment. Great compositions, the writing and instrumentation remind me of Tortoise with serious improvising chops. Tim Berne: The Shell Game: w/Craig Taborn(keys) and Tom Rainey(drums). Taborn first really knocked me out with his work on the Carl Craig/Innerzone Orchestra disc Programmed. Taborn may be the most interesting electronic keyboardist since Wayne Horvitz, with amazing chops and a really interesting sense of timbre. The new Tool disc, Lateralus, is getting a lot of play around here as well, amazing and pretty uncompromising stuff for such a popular band. And it's rare to hear a "new rock" band recorded this well, very dynamic, not overcompressed, great guitar sounds. I may see them with Krimson next month, and I'm probably looking forward to Tool more than Krimson. I've also been listening to a lot of David Axelrod's late 60s/early 70s stuff, he was a composer/producer/arranger that did a few records of what I can only call ambitious easy listening, large-scale works for the cream of LA's session players. His stuff has been heavily sampled by the likes of DJ Shadow. Great funk grooves with ambitious horn/string arrangements, wrapped around some pretty silly concepts. Simultaneously brilliant and very cheesy. I just got the new Fennesz and Fantomas discs yesterday, played the Fantomas while working, and it was the perfect thing to hear on an otherwise pretty frustrating day. -- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com> Subject: Xtatika, etc. Date: 17 Jul 2001 18:27:33 -0000 Greetings from Knoxville, TN. Xtatika: I've been trying to get into this new release, one I was greatly looking forward to hearing, but I'm afraid that for me it's a bit dull. One of the problems is that the Korean drums are too low in the mix, and in general I'm not so sure that fusion attempted really works very well. It's also a lot more "New York" than Korea, if you catch my drift, with more bondage art this time coming from Kim Haena's photography. Not that I'm being prudish. Otomo's Flutter: I'm enjoying this quite a bit, though yes it is more restrained than his other work, including, I'd say, the standards recording of Ground Zero. Still quite enjoyable though. I'll be interested in seeing where Otomo takes this quintet since I doubt it will be as restrained in future releases. Been working my way through the rereleases of the BYG/Charly reissues. Not much to say beyond the predictable superlatives: brilliant, timeless, engaging, etc. A copy of Alan Silva's three LP release awaits my turntable back in Seoul. Looking forward to that event. Other than that, Sachiko M has sent a box of her entire catalogue to my friend's address in Colorado, where I will be in a couple of weeks. I've brought my copy of "Do" with me for my journey. And of course the three CDs from the Barclay box of Fela, which I can't stop playing. Another strong recommendation would have to be the Atavistic release of Luther Thomas's "Funky Donkey." which is as stated. Quite pleasurable. I also have the pleasure of telling the Zorn list that I will be seeing King Crimson live in Knoxville next Tuesday. I hope to have time to make a report. One last request--I plan to interview, if possible, Milles Plateaux founder Achim Szepanski for the political theory journal "Strategies." Does anyone happen to have his contact address? Thanks in advance, as always. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 18:37:58 -0000 what records are getting the most frequent > > >play in your house these days? Not necessarily in this order, but the last sounds entering my ears (and most of my music is in storage right now!) have been: The Nice Immediate Years Trilok Gurtu Beat Of Love Jane Bunnett Alma de Santiago J.S. Bach Brandenburgers Musica Antiqua Koln Gordon Haskell It Is And It Isn't Jah Warrior Presents 3 The Roots Way Ghost Snuffbox Immanence George Braith Complete Blue Note Sessions Joyce Gafieira Moderna Robert Barry & Fred Anderson Duets 2001 Joy Division Les Bains Douches 18 Dec '79 Penderecki Orchestral Works Lou Reed American Poet Gerry Mulligan Meets Stan Getz What does it all mean? I dunno, couldn't find a Zorn connect either, oh well... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Xtatika, etc. Date: 17 Jul 2001 11:55:45 -0700 On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:27:33 -0000 "Bill Ashline" wrote: > > Been working my way through the rereleases of the BYG/Charly reissues. Not > much to say beyond the predictable superlatives: brilliant, timeless, > engaging, etc. A copy of Alan Silva's three LP release awaits my turntable > back in Seoul. Looking forward to that event. Isn't surprising that Charly reissued these five records (Don Cherry, Archie Shepp, Sun Ra, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Jazz Actuel) barely one year after the initial reissue of the same set? Even more surprising (but confirming that I was not allucinating), the catalog numbers are different. Could the reason be that Charly is back in UK (since the pressing last year were from Germany)? Besides that, as Bill said, this is top notch free jazz material. Patrice (who should start to have a life). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gamantyo Hendrantoro <gamantyo@sce.carleton.ca> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 17 Jul 2001 15:03:12 -0400 > From: Dgasque@aol.com > > Tarika- Soul Makassar What's this? The word 'Makassar' caught my attention... > From: William Crump <william@steno.com> > > Bang on a Can: Music for Airports I've only recently come to know of their work. The only album I have by them now is "Cheating, Lying, Stealing". How's "MfA" compared to "C,L,S" ? And how's it compared to Eno's original? What album is most commonly cited as their best? For now, I'm busy listening to some new favourites of mine: - Paradox Trio s/t & "Flying at a Slant" (just saw their amazing performance a couple of nights ago at the Ottawa Jazz Fest) - Samla Mammas Manna "Klossa Knapitatet" - Looping Home Orchestra "Live 1992-1993" Regards, Gamantyo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Recent frequent plays / top of 2001 Date: 17 Jul 2001 13:55:13 -0500 Well, recent heavy rotation items for me have been: The Ex - Dizzy Spells Robert Wyatt - Shleep Ramones - anthology Miles Davis - Get Up with It Henry Grimes Trio Zorn - The Gift various - Nuyorican Funk Experience Peter Brotzmann - Fuck de Boere Hal Russell - Elixer Material - Memory Serves Coincidentally, I heard on the radio this morning an ad for the weekly talkshow the 2 Chicago newspaper rock critics have and they'll be talking about their top picks for the 1st half of 2001. I realized that I haven't got too many new releases lately, but the Ex, Zorn, Russell and Brotzmann must be in my list so far, along with Giancarlo Sciaffini's "Tuba Libre" which now that I think of it, I've listened to quite a lot also. Take care. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Rovo Date: 17 Jul 2001 19:41:57 >If anybody goes to the Rovo show, please post comments. Nobody made it >to >the Ruins concert I presume...? I saw Rovo in San Francisco on Saturday. With 7 instruments and that type of volume and density, it would take a really good recording job for it to really come across on disc, but who knows. I have not heard the CD, but some people out here were really big on it , specifically a college radio station (KUSF, I think), who helped sponsor the show. Anyway, I don't have the best background in this kind of stuff, but it reminded me somewhat of those runaway psychedlic jams on the Boredoms 'Super Ae', only the drumming was more in a live drum'n'bass-type vein and the general sound is just more "modern" (lacking a better word, obviously) -- specifically with the keyboards. Definitely a tight band with a very together stage act, very powerful sound, etc. But, I just kept trying to figure out which album it was that I own (but havn't listened to in years) that has those same type of long jam sections with the upfront violin soloing. I still can't put my finger on it. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: Bang on a Can all day... [was RE: Stuff that's been spinnin'] Date: 17 Jul 2001 15:48:45 -0400 'Cheating, Stealing, Lying' is the only BoaC All-Stars disc I haven't heard, so I might not be of much help there. And while I realize you asked for Will's opinion, my own reaction to 'Music for Airports' is that it's an impressive stunt to pull it off live and they pull it off really well, but for that particular music I'll continue to listen to the original, thanks. Mainly I'm just butting in to mention that their new self-released disc 'Renegade Heaven' is really, really good. It's got new pieces by Julia Wolfe, Michael Gordon, Phil Kline, Glenn Branca and Arnold Dreyblatt. The pieces are all pretty strong to my thinking, the playing is beyond reproach, and it's kinda cool how independently of one another, husband and wife Gordon and Wolfe both more or less unconsciously borrowed from the Beatles for their new pieces. The label is called Cantaloupe, and if you can't find this in stores, try www.bangonacan.org. They've also released 'The Passing Measures,' a gorgeous CD length ambient bass clarinet concerto composed by David Lang and played by Marty Ehrlich, and 'This Is Not a Clarinet,' a new solo album by Evan Ziporyn. Later on they'll be releasing new discs by Toby Twining and Arnold Dreyblatt and an all-star version of 'In C,' like we don't have enough of those already... ;-) The new 'Lost Objects' CD by Wolfe, Gordon and Lang on Teldec's New Line is mainly recommended to those who think they'd like a funny mixture of Louis Andriessen, 'Carmina Burana,' 'Tehellim' and DJ Spooky. Interesting, but not nearly as deep as the librettist thinks it is. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gamantyo Hendrantoro > From: William Crump <william@steno.com> > > Bang on a Can: Music for Airports I've only recently come to know of their work. The only album I have by them now is "Cheating, Lying, Stealing". How's "MfA" compared to "C,L,S" ? And how's it compared to Eno's original? What album is most commonly cited as their best? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: metalcore/noisecore bands (there IS some Zorn content here) Date: 17 Jul 2001 20:21:38 > > Botch: We Are the Romans (Hydra Head) > > Cave In: Beyond Hypothermia, Until Your Heart Stops, > > Creative Eclipses, > > Jupiter (all on Hydra Head) > > Isis: Mosquito Control EP (Escape Artist), The Red > > Sea (Second Nature), > > Celestial (Escape Artist), SGNL>05 (Neurot) > >All representative of what I surmise to be called "noisecore," though >I'm >not sure why. All based in Boston or recording for Boston-based >Hydra >Head. I hear lots of slow, angular metallic slabwork, foundary >clankings, >lost and found sounds, occasional analogue synths (in Isis, >certainly). >I'm still just getting to know this genre, but the general >concept seems >largly to follow from Godflesh and Neurosis, although I'm >hearing >similiarities to Helmet as well, and Cave In also displays an >eary >allegiance to the Melvins. Just to add a few things to this ... Botch is from Washington state, but most of the main bands in this field have been from the east coast, specifically New Jersey or Massachusettes, for whatever reason. One exception is Coalesce (from Kansas City, now defunct), who sort of predate these other groups and who could be called another predecessor, or rather, just one of the earlier bands doing this stuff (going back to 94 or so). This genre is also referred to as "metalcore" fairly often. It's not really a "sound" as much as it is, more or less, bands that came up through the hardcore or straight-edge type scene, but are playing music heavily influenced by metal -- Slayer, Metallica, etc. But it just comes across differently, in the lyrics, the vocals, the visuals (just look at the album covers of Hydrahead's releases), the way the bands look, the venues the play, etc. I think there are a lot of interesting bands in this genre now. A lot of people on this list know Dillinger Escape Plan, who are almost in their own category, but still definitely a part of this genre. I would aslo count Candiria (from Brooklyn), Converge (kind of a cross between Dillinger Escape Plan's fast-paced/chaotic style with a heavier Slayer influence) and Today is the Day (very disturbing vocals and lyrics, the singer often sounds like he is being electrocuted...) among the better ones, along with Cave-In (I don't hear the Melvins influence at all, though!), Isis (the slowest, sludgiest of these groups) and Old Man Gloom (who are as influenced by droning stuff like Earth, Lull and Organum as by the other "heavy" things). there are others, but I will stop there ... Also, some of the stuff on the Double H Noise Industries label (sub-label of Hydrahead, which Steve S. already mentioned) has been really good. There is that bass/guitar drone duo Sunn 0)))), who are very much influenced by Earth and the Melvins 'Lysol' (and therefore not too dissimilar to Naked City's 'Leng Tch'e', of course!!). Apparently, one of their next releases is going to be a collaboration with Merzbow. Finally, another band on HH Noise Industries that is definitely worth mentioning is Atmosmasher: James Plotkin from OLD (Zorn collaborated w/ them -- more Z-List relevance!), Dave Witte (actually the grindcore drummer whose style has the most similarities to Joey Baron's on 'Torture Garden,' to my ears) and DJ Speedranch, a great obnoxious screamer who also does a lot of processing with his voice. I was trying to describe this to Steve Smith off-list, and "electro-acoustic grindcore" was the shortest tag I could come up with. Or, 'Torture Garden' + Merzbow + Atari Teenage Riot + Fantomas. Or something. Very different, noisy (but not completely noisy) and good, I think. Their next CD is going to be on Ipecac, fittingly. Whew, longwinded post ... sorry about that. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 22:17:58 +0200 >>let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most >>frequent >>play in your house these days? There goes a few ones constantly spinning in my CD player at this time: John Zorn "Spillane" Fant⌠mas "The Director's Cut" / "Amenaza al mundo" Sonic Youth "New york Ghosts & Flowers" Tiny Bell Trio "Constellations" Susie Ibarra "Flower after Flower" Peter Br÷tzmann's Die Like a Dog "From Valley to Valley" Wadada Leo Smith "Reflectability" Anthony Braxton "Compositions No.10 & No.16(+101)" Derek & the Ruins "Saisoro" Tim Berne's Bloodcount "Unwound" Marc Ducret "L'Ombra di Verdi" Mr. Bungle: (all of them) Secret Chiefs 3 "Eyes of Flesh, Eyes of Flame" Bailey/Tacuma/Weston "Mirakle" Eyvind Kang "7 Nades" Masada "Live in Sevilla" Robert Wyatt "Rock Bottom" Velvet Underground "White Light/White Heat" Quite a good bunch actually. Fred Frith's "Clearing" will soon have to be added to the list. Bought it this afternoon and my first impressions are more than positive. Great album. Best, EfrΘn n.p: "Tutto Fellini" (soundtrcks of Fellini's films; mainly Nino Rota) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net> Subject: RE: DEPECHE MODE (was: Recent frequent plays) Date: 17 Jul 2001 16:24:53 -0400 -On the last tour it was more of a live thing; including -a drummer. (Is he still with -them now?) Yes, they still have the live drummer, which gives a lot of power to their music, and Martin Gore played guitar in 90% of the songs. They have an extra keyboard player and two female backup singers. The show was great, they were in great form and David Gahan's vocals have never been better. But of course, there were a lot of backing tapes, but it didn't sound fake, if you know what I mean. But do you also know: > Music for the masses? > 101 live? > Violator? > > I can recommend those... > Yes I know those albums, they]re excellent, but right now I'm more into their newer stuff. Violator is tops in my list of favourite DEPECHE albums. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Kargatis / Anne Larson" <lartis@ath.forthnet.gr> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 23:37:33 +0300 > From: "Gabriel Lichtmann" <la_lichuza@bancaria.net.ar> > "rock music" in it, so I feel like starting a thread...Which > new/contemporary rock bands you think are worth the attention, or you find > interesting? I personally have a thing for At the Drive In, but I don't see > anything else that is worth my pesos. At the Drive In is fun. As I mentioned in my previous entry in this thread, I think highly of: Burning Airlines (from DC, one could call it the Jawbox sequel) - 2 albums: MISSION CONTROL! and IDENTIKIT Modest Mouse - see THE LONESOME CROWDED WEST or THE MOON & ANTARCTICA If you've missed critical darlings of the past few years Sleater-Kinney, don't miss them - start with CALL THE DOCTOR. I'm quite pleased with CDNow's 2000 Indie picks: (sorry if this URL is split - paste if necessary) I have 1-7,9 and can recommend them all: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=587365456/pagename=/MN/PROMO/promo_ in_the_media.html/promoid=2840 > From: Samerivertwice@aol.com > Wilco -- Summerteeth Wilco rules! Unfortunately, their new one YANKEE HOTEL FOXTROT will be delayed because of a split with Reprise. :( > From: kasra@ou.edu > The Flaming Lips > and the Starlight Mints are regular touring acts who still live here. Seconded enthusiasm for these two bands, though I've never seen them perform. vince np: Poul Ruders - "Nightshade" (Bridge) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #501 Date: 17 Jul 2001 22:42:56 +0200 I feel like starting a thread...Which >new/contemporary rock bands you think are worth the attention, or you find >interesting? I personally have a thing for At the Drive In, but I don't see >anything else that is worth my pesos. Hi, Someone mentioned Built to Spill, which is a very good band from the Touch and Go label, if I'm not wrong. Sonic youth Danny Heifetz' Dieselhed project (a blend of country, rock, pop) , Melvins some bands from the Amphetamine Reptile label are worth a listen: The Cows, Chokebore, Today is the Day (heavier) Fugazi. I saw Mogwai a month ago and, although they're extremely predictable, maybe you'd enjoy a quiet album like their latest (can't remember the name as usual). If you like Tortoise and other bands in that vein, try them. Greetings, EfrΘn del VAlle n.p: NIno Rota "The Godfather"╖ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@webmind.com> Subject: rotation Date: 17 Jul 2001 16:53:52 -0400 Hi there Here's the stuff receiving heaviest airplay in my abode... Haino Keji: Aihiyo (Covers group) and the Aishuyo live covers CD. These 2 have the highest rotation by far the past 2 weeks. I also got the much talked about "double live" Fushitsusha record, but wasn't all that impressed. I think the tzadik releae "Allegorical Misunderstanding" is much better, yet that usually gets talked down a bit. Given my preference, anyone have recommendations on my next Fushitsusha purchase? Also in the mix... James Blood Ulmer - Tales of Captain Black. Anyone catch Saturday's duo with Charlie Burnham at Tonic and care to share some thoughts? Last time I caight blood with his backup band Earth Driver, it was rather dissappointing. William Parker - Painter's Spring. Ornette Coleman - Body Meta. Arto Lindsay - Noon Chill. Beck - Midnight Vultures Marc Ribot - Shrek Primus - the Brown Album (I'm a sucker for Brain's low-fi drumming) ciao Jim M - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 17 Jul 2001 18:08:42 EDT In a message dated Tue, 17 Jul 2001 2:56:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gamantyo Hendrantoro <gamantyo@sce.carleton.ca> writes: > > From: Dgasque@aol.com > > > > Tarika- Soul Makassar > > What's this? The word 'Makassar' caught my attention... > To be honest, I'd label it a lukewarm effort from the once-great Malagasy ensemble Tarika Sammy. They dropped the "Sammy" part of the band name after a couple of its original members left, and have moved toward a more commercial sound over the past couple of albums (Henry Kaiser, the man who "discovered" the band now refers to them as "Tarika Shammy", if that says anything.) Go for the earlier material if you want to hear them at their best, IMO. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hatta <hatta@spiralcage.com> Subject: RE: Recent frequent plays Date: 17 Jul 2001 15:28:58 -0700 Miles Davis 'In a Silent Way' (always in frequent rotation) Ann Heymann 'Queen of Harps' (Traditional Wire Strung Gaelic Harp, very different almost harpsichord sounding and very powerful) Bang on a Can Allstars 'Music For Airports' Radiohead 'Amnesiac' (Actually slackening off a bit, but was on high rotation) Kronos Quartet with Aki Takahashi 'Morton Feldman, Piano and String Quartet' (I love this album, so extended and meditative, great on headphones and while going to sleep) Nobukazu Takemura 'Scope' AMM 'The Nameless Uncarved Block' 'Newfoundland' 'Laminal'' (The repeated listening of the Kronos Feldmen disc, led me to buy more Feldman, which led me to Tilbury, which reminded me that I hadn't listened to my AMM in a while. This combined with "Crunch" time at work led to an AMM binge. In a bit the Tilbury Feldman set will be in high rotation I suspect.... -Robert -- Todays Playlist Cranc 'All Angels' MMW 'Farmers Reserve' The Melvins 'Colossus of Destiny' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca> Subject: RE: Arto Lindsay / Fela Kuti Date: 17 Jul 2001 19:31:09 -0300 I'm not sure who the rest of the band was but Melvin Gibbs was on bass. I know the other guitar player was not Marc Ribot (too bad). Plus there was a drummer and a keyboard player who I did not recognize. As for Fela Kuti, yessssssss - the albums are as good as everyone says - start with Original Sufferhead/ITT - you won't regret it Mike. np - Susumu Yokota - Grinning Cat >===== Original Message From iqhouse@yahoo.de ===== >mwoodwor wrote: > >> Since I saw Arto Lindsay at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago - >> I've been re-listening to his last 3-4 albums -he put on a great live show, >> re-working (and in many cases, speeding up) songs primarily off his last two >> albums. > >Do you know who played with him? >I saw him twice a few years ago and also enjoyed the shows very much. >Both times Marc Ribot was in the band - my guitar God... >Was also lucky enough to meet Arto and Marc during the break - lovely guys! > >> >> >> As for other current listening - I know it's been said before, but everyone do >> yourself a big favour and go out and buy 15-20 Fela Kuti albums and hunker >> down in the house for a week or two. It may be some expensive shit! to buy >> that many albums, but boy oh boy it is goooooooooooooood. > >Are the albums really as hot as so many people claim? >(Unfortunately I missed out on the discussion on this list... - Archives time >maybe? ;-)) > >patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@webmind.com> Subject: RE: Arto Lindsay lineup Date: 17 Jul 2001 18:44:08 -0400 Hi ---- I'm not sure who the rest of the band was but Melvin Gibbs was on bass. I know the other guitar player was not Marc Ribot (too bad). Plus there was a drummer and a keyboard player who I did not recognize. ---- The most recent band that usually does the album tunes is Vinicius Cantuaria on guitar, Gibbs on bass and drum loops, Skoota Warner on drums (plays with headphones to drum loop tracks at times), Arto, and I can't remember the keyboards player. Wicked band.... Jim M - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com> Subject: Charly (was Re: Xtatika, etc.) Date: 17 Jul 2001 22:56:40 -0000 >From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> >Isn't surprising that Charly reissued these five records (Don Cherry, >Archie >Shepp, Sun Ra, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Jazz Actuel) barely one year after >the initial reissue of the same set? Even more surprising (but confirming >that I was not allucinating), the catalog numbers are different. Could the >reason be that Charly is back in UK (since the pressing last year were from >Germany)? I agree. It is strange. But then again Charly looks like a rather corrupt outfit, good CDs aside. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #501 Date: 18 Jul 2001 16:04:50 -0700 > > > > > I feel like starting a thread...Which >> new/contemporary rock bands you think are worth the attention, or you find >> interesting? I personally have a thing for At the Drive In, but I don't see >> anything else that is worth my pesos. Big Sandy and the Fly-Rite Boys -- a Western Swing band -- were killing, both for songs and great improvising -- until their steel guitar player quit. There's an interesting prog country/chamber folk group in NYC called Jimson Weed. They're worth seeing. skip h np: James Brown, Live At The Apollo, Vol 2 Deluxe Edition - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick <olewnick@gis.net> Subject: Re: Philip Jeck Date: 17 Jul 2001 19:54:32 -0400 Among the discs I've obtained this year (whether released this year or prior) that have given the most pleasure and, consequently, received the most play are: AMM From a Strange Place AMM Laminal Braxton Composition 247 Braxton Quintet (Basel) 1977 Charles/Doneda/Muller Direct Chamber Chevalier/Havard/Ottavi/Rowe [N:Q] Dixon Vade Mecum 2 Dorner/Drumm Axel Dorner - Kevin Drumm Durrant/Lehn/Malfatti dach Filament 29092000 Gustafsson Hidros One Guy Inscape - Tableaux Iskra 1903 Chapter One Joseph Holbrooke Joseph Holbrooke '98 Leimgruber/Leandre/Hauser No Try No Fail Erik M Frame Sachiko M Debris Harry Miller Family Affair MIMEO Electric Chair & Table Muller/Sugimoto I Am Happy If You Are Happy Nakamura/Sachiko M do Perlonex Peripherique Polwechsel 2 Prevost Silver Pyramid Riley Poppy No Good Rogers (Paul) Time of Brightness Rowe/Beins Grain Sugimoto/Drumm Den Supersession Supersession Tetreault/Charles MXCT Wall Constructions V-VII Yoshihide Digital Tranquilizer An _excellent_ year so far, with an absurd amount of music to listen to. Brian Olewnick NP: TV Pow - Mort aux Vaches/Being Nice Is Funny - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Charly (was Re: Xtatika, etc.) Date: 18 Jul 2001 00:18:06 -0000 >From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com> > But then again Charly looks like a rather >corrupt outfit... There's a great story about Charly when Universal (MCA) sued them for kazillions of dollars over their unauthorised selling of the Chess Records catalog; The specific company (say Charly Holdings Ltd.) at the specific address filed for bankruptcy, while a new company (say Charly Ltd. Holdings) in the same building but with a new street address around the corner went into business the next day, minus the Chess titles of course... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Case" <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 10:43:28 +0930 My list for heavens sake. Maldoror: She Bowie: 50th B/day gig Eyvind Kang: Story of Icelund Morrissey: Angelic Upstart Melt Banana: Teeny Shiny (not so bad, initially thought it was dog shite) Case Sinclair Adelaide Centre for Spinal Research IMVS Frome Road Adelaide SA 5001 AUSTRALIA case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays thread Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:58:42 +1000 How many of you people are using a multi-disc shuffle? I can only think of 2 albums that I really listened to a lot in the past week or so: - Brad Shepik's "The Well" - actually, I was basically listening to the title track over and over. - Vandermark/Drake/McBride "Spaceways Incorporated" - probably because I just bought it, but it is great nonetheless. Other than that I've skimmed through the T.J. Kirk albums, more just to check out their Monk interpretations as reference for a project I'm putting together. And a few albums that have been in and out of my cd player for as long as I can remember: Bobby Previte's "Too Close To The Pole" and all the Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio albums... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mathieu Belanger <mathieu.belanger@UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: Mr. fela arto vandermark Date: 17 Jul 2001 22:58:16 -0400 Hello, >Since I saw Arto Lindsay at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago - >I've been re-listening to his last 3-4 albums -he put on a great live show, >re-working (and in many cases, speeding up) songs primarily off his last >two albums. Various folks provided the names of the other musicians so I won't repeat what they said, but the keyboard player was Andreas Levin. I can't say I enjoyed this too much though. I definitely prefer the albums. I don't think he was able to recreate all the subtilities of the songs and they are, in my opinion, very important. They were not able to recreate the beautiful ambiances of the albums. Not that I want them to recreate perfectly the album though, but at least not to serve us something half as good. It really was not until the 5th or 6th song - when they played one or two more "upbeat" songs - that I (partially) enjoyed it. The sound was not incredible too, the basses were kind of messy. Now, it was not so bad, but it definitely was not unforgettable. >Also, caught the Vandermark 5 at the 'other' jazz-fest going on during the >Montreal Jazz Fest at Casa del popolo - as someone else recently commented > on the list - they were smokin! Much better than the last time I saw them > which was at Victoriaville last year - their new album sounds like it will > be the best so far. I personally had a totally different perception. To me, they were almost playing "straight jazz", especially the first set. Vandermark had one or two nice solos in the second set (especially a sort of duo with Kessler) and so did Bishop. Even the structures were very close to more traditional jazz, often being simply a theme followed by an exchange of solos (theme, sax, trombone, drums then sax and back to the theme). Technically, it was well done, but I can't say I enjoyed the compositions. I prefered the show at the Casa back in September. This being said, I was kind of impressed to see them play without any amplification. Of course, the Centro Social Espanol is not an arena, but it's still a much larger room than the Casa. >Still, I wonder how Test was that night. I was not at the show, but I was told it was good. Quite heavy stuff apparently, i.e. the "percing holes in the walls" approach if I can say... Tschuss, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: RE: metalcore/noisecore bands (there IS some Zorn content here) Date: 18 Jul 2001 00:03:38 -0400 This is all good clarification, as I would have expected from William, who's been helping me out as unofficial tour guide to a lot of this stuff. Personally, I don't really hear Candiria and Dillinger as being in precisely the same stylistic camp as Isis, Botch and Cave In, though. I think of the former as being more speed and precision thrash oriented, while I think of the latter as being more textural and spacy, for lack of more precise terms. Both are equally valid developments from and reactions to the standard metal scene, whatever that is. Wonder what will become of Dillinger now that the lead singer has quit this past week "to concentrate on non-musical activities"? I should clarify re: the Melvins influence in Cave In - it's really just the last two songs on the first CD, 'Beyond Hypothermia,' which are fairly explicitly described as being Melvins-esque in the liner notes. Even the vocals sound rather like Buzz. It was sloppy of me to seem to say that it was a more widespread phenomenon in their music - it's not. And a trivia question - there's a bonus track on that same CD, a rather more conventional thrash metal tune with lyrics that lead me to think it's a cover of Metallica's "Fight Fire with Fire," only I don't own 'Ride the Lightning' and it's been so long since I've heard it that I just can't be sure. Anyone know? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of William York I think there are a lot of interesting bands in this genre now. A lot of people on this list know Dillinger Escape Plan, who are almost in their own category, but still definitely a part of this genre. I would aslo count Candiria (from Brooklyn), Converge (kind of a cross between Dillinger Escape Plan's fast-paced/chaotic style with a heavier Slayer influence) and Today is the Day (very disturbing vocals and lyrics, the singer often sounds like he is being electrocuted...) among the better ones, along with Cave-In (I don't hear the Melvins influence at all, though!), Isis (the slowest, sludgiest of these groups) and Old Man Gloom (who are as influenced by droning stuff like Earth, Lull and Organum as by the other "heavy" things). there are others, but I will stop there ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <Enfermo@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 17 Jul 2001 23:14:33 -0500 (CDT) This has been owning my ears lately: Tool - Lateralus David Lee Roth - Sonrisa Salvaje (Spanish version of his Eat 'Em and Smile album, quite hilarious) Primus - Brown Album (sounds like a lost Tom Waits record for some reason. Killer lo-fi production) Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity Praxis - Metatron Atheist - Unquestionable Presence _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su direcci≤n de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Popkin" <spopkin@nyc.rr.com> Subject: Zorn, Medeski Ribot (Emergency) Gigogphry Date: 18 Jul 2001 01:34:38 -0400 Does anyone have a list of all the Zorn Medeski Ribot gig dates?. Some were billed as Emergency. They featured such drummers as Ben Perowsky, Kenny Wollerson,Calvin Weston. I am searching for a list of their gig dates. Otherwise I can compile them if you send me you tapelists of these gigs. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> Subject: Joy Division (was: Re: Recent frequent plays) Date: 18 Jul 2001 09:46:01 +0200 thomas chatterton wrote: > > Joy Division Les Bains Douches 18 Dec '79 Thomas What's this one about? Is it a Joy Division live bootleg? Thanks for your help! patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Re: Philip Jeck Date: 18 Jul 2001 10:56:17 +0200 (MET DST) >after a few listens, British turntablist Philip Jeck's just-released Vinyl >Coda IV (Intermedium) seems like his strongest, most coherent statement yet= . Agreed. >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequen= t >play in your house these days? _Lume Lume_ by Alexander Balanescu and various friends (Staubgold). Very unique. Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Ume=E5 University SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com> Subject: Re: Fushitsusha (was rotation) Date: 18 Jul 2001 05:37:26 -0400 At 04:53 PM 7/17/01 -0400, Jim McLoughlin wrote: > >anyone have recommendations on my next Fushitsusha purchase? I'm a pretty big fan of the Paratactile double, I saw it! that before which I could only sense... The amazing title track spans both disks, and the pacing is much like Allegorical Understanding (it even closes with a short quiet piece), and it's a studio recording as well. Highly recommended. -- One day the United States discovered that it was an empire. But it didn't know what an empire was. It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations. -- Roberto Calasso Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "john rust" <johnrust@blinx.de> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:57:36 +0200 >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most >frequent >play in your house these days? In no particular order: Os Mutantes 1968 Rita Lee - Hoje e primeiro dia do resto da sua vida The Monks - Black Monk Time Shaking in Athens - Psychedelic music in Greece Roy Montgomery - And now the rain sounds like life is falling down through it Sergey Kuryokhin - Detskiy al'bom Bloedow/Charles- La Mar Enfortuna Kazutoki Umezu - The Fisrt Deserter Makigami Koichi - Koroshi No Blues William S. Burroughs - Spare Ass Annie and Other Stories Henry Kaiser - Outside Aloha Pleasure Radiohead - Amnesiac David Byrne - Look Into the Eyeball Ladytron - 604 P.S. For everyone who's in Berlin next week - Unterwasser featuring Leonid Soybelman from Ne Zhdali / Kletka Red will be playing in ACUD on 26.07. Might be exciting, but we haven't rehearsed yet :-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl> Subject: Odp: Gettin' Dizzy Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:47:26 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- > Greg Bendian/Interzone: Requiem for Jack Kirby: Terrific stuff w/ > Bendian on Vibes, Nels + Alex Cline and a bassist I can't recall at > the moment. Great compositions, the writing and instrumentation > remind me of Tortoise with serious improvising chops. Can you - or anyone - tell more about this band? I read an interviewwith Bendian, and it sounded pretty interesting. Marcin Gokieli - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl> Subject: Odp: Philip Jeck Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:00:14 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- > let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent > play in your house these days? - '70s Miles boot 'another bitches brew' (one cd of 71, another of 73 band, really great performances), - Starvinsky's Violin Concerto (conducted by IS and Isaac Starn and another version Ozawa/ Perlaman. - Frith's 'cheap at half the price', (I borrowed form a friend a cd copy of one of this album that I hav on a LP, and I'm really delighted by the bonus track 'true love') - zorn's 'the gift' -Eno's 'another green world' -Primus 'tales form the punchbowl' And - thanks to the people on that list - the greatest hit of 2001 summer is undoubdtly the G - Force (actually, 'Battle of the planets') tune. BTW, can anybody comment the latest Frisell? Marcin Gokieli - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl> Subject: Odp: Frith with Joey Baron? Probably not. Date: 18 Jul 2001 10:02:51 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:16 AM If it's a quartet recording, it's from 96 or something; on the other hand, FF played at Mozg club solo at the indicated date (a day after a massacre show in Warsaw). So it might be that. > >I have also heard of a (bootleg ?) : > > > >*** - LIVE IN BYDGOSZCZ: Fred Frith Guitar Quartet > > > > 1/ A > > 2/ B > > 3/ C > > 4/ D > > 5/ E > > 6/ F > > 7/ G > > 8/ H > > 9/ Ayaya Moses > > > > recorded live in Bydgoszcz on June 24, 2000. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FJG_Lamerikx <flamerik@best.ms.philips.com> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 18 Jul 2001 13:47:32 +0200 A lot of people on this list seem to have some metal edge in what they've been spinning lately, so I thought I'd offer my list here as well. Slayer - "Reign in Blood", "South of Heaven" Demonstrating how much Dave Lombardo has improved between these two albums. Mortician "Domain of Death" Amazing lo-fi brutality, great horror film samples. Should appeal to any gore-hound in the audience. Stereolab - "Dots and Loops" Eagerly awaiting the new Stereolab EP + CD, I've been returning to this underestimated album. Soundgarden - "Louder Than Love", "Badmotorfinger" I've been on a grunge-retro trip lately, and these two albums still proved to be outstanding. "Ethiopiques 4" Instrumental jazz from Ethiopia, quite lovely. Laxmikant-Pyarelal "Prem Granth" Incredible Indian film music. Destiny's Child "Survivor" The finest in today's r&b... Haven't heard the new Missy E and Aaliyah albums yet, though. Kosheen "Resist" A commercial take on the drum'n'bass genre by veterans Decoder and Substance. This album will probably get a lot of flak from the hardcore drum'n'bass crowd, but I love it, if only because it brings a rock aesthetic to the dance floor (while sounding like that other great band Mono at times). Radiohead "Amnesiac" Unlike The Wire, I don't feel the need to excuse myself for including this. It is simply awesome. Alice Coltrane "P'tah the El Daoud" Not as good as I had hoped, but still worth listening to. Yma Sumac "Mambo" Exotica pick of the week. Recent albums that I've tried but couldn't get into include Zorn's "Music from the Hermetic Theatre" (the computer music just is not the shit, and I would normally be a sucker for this stuff), and Tool's "Lateralus", which in my opinion is an album of Tool doing what they do best, but nothing more than that. Frankco. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hywel Davies <hywel99@yahoo.com> Subject: spring heel jack? Date: 18 Jul 2001 05:05:49 -0700 (PDT) hi, anyone heard the Spring Heel Jack/Blue Series Continuum "Masses" cd? with Evan Parker, Berne, Mat Maneri, et al? opinions would be welcome.. thanks, hywel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Zorn, Medeski Ribot (Emergency) Gigogphry Date: 18 Jul 2001 15:12:33 +0200 >From: "Steven Popkin" <spopkin@nyc.rr.com> > >Does anyone have a list of all the Zorn Medeski Ribot gig dates?. Some were >billed as Emergency. They featured such drummers as Ben Perowsky, Kenny >Wollerson,Calvin Weston. I am searching for a list of their gig dates. >Otherwise I can compile them if you send me you tapelists of these gigs. One gig with Wollesen was at the Willisau festival 29th Aug 1999. Are there any plans for a CD release? Andreas np: Cecil Taylor - Derek Bailey / Pleistozaen Mit Wasser (FMP) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com> Subject: Recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 08:22:27 -0500 Here's what's been repeatedly in & out my CD changer this month (not all of its even recently obtained): Clarence Barlow: Musica Derivata Hat Martin Bartlett: Burning Water Periplum Eve Beglarian: Overstepping OO Boua Xou Mua: Music of the Hmong People of Laos Documentary Arts/Arhoolie Lots of Earl Browne CRI/EMI/Hat/New Albion John Butcher/Xavier Charles/Axel Dorner: Contest of Pleasures Potlach John Cale: NY in the 1960s Table of the Elements Dave Douglas: El trilogy BMG Karlheinz Essl: (C)rude KHE David First: The Good Book's (Accurate) Jail of Escape Dust Coordinates Part 2 OO Janice Giteck: Home (revisited) New Albion Milford Graves: Stories Tzadik Tom Heasley: Where the Earth Meets the Sky Hypnos Alfred Snuff Johnson Black Cowboy Blues & Church Songs Documentary Arts Jin Hi Kim: Komungo OO Joan La Barbara: Sound Paintings Lovely David Lang: Passing measures Cantaloupe Elodie Lauten: Tronik Intrusions OO Ligeti project 1 Melodien/Ctos/Mysteries of the Macabre Teldec London Improviser's Orchestra Hearing Continues Emanem Alvin Lucier: Still Lives Lovely Kaffe MNatthews: CD DD Annetteworks John Oswald: 69 Plunderphonics 96 Fony/Seeland Larry Polansky: Lonesome Road New World Frederic Rzewski: People United Alm/Hat/Hyperion/New Albion/Vanguard The Space Between: with Barre Phillips 482 Music Carl Stone: Mom's New Albion various: Between Sound & Vision Gallery 400 Nikos Veliotis: Beta Confront Lois V Vierk: River Beneath the River Tzadik John Zorn: Madness, Love & Mysticism - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Recent frequent plays (including 2 questions) Date: 18 Jul 2001 16:23:06 +0200 > let's get this list moving again. seems to be a success... > what records are getting the most frequent play in your house these days? ... so here's mine: J.S. Bach - Cellosuites I-VI (Paolo Beschi) I. Xenakis - Chamber Music 1955-1990 (Arditti, C. Helffer) S. Gainsbourg - L'homme =E0 t=EAte de chou Ch. Vogel - Rescate 137 (please give me some recommendations, knowing i lik= e this one) Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle J. Zorn - Locus solus O. Coleman - Ornette on tenor (wonderful and too often forgotten) M. Kagel - 1898 E. Eskelin, A. Parkins, J. Black =AD Secret Museum S. Getz - Lover man (can somebody tell me more about the fantastic Albert Daily ???) Ari. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 18 Jul 2001 16:22:51 +0200 on 18-07-2001 13:47, FJG_Lamerikx at flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote: > Yma Sumac "Mambo" hey look, i'm not the only one... :-) np: Yma Sumac - Voice of the Xtabay - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Given <dlgiven@altavista.com> Subject: Re: recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 07:35:21 -0700 Here's the things that have been occupying my time lately, some new, some old: Barry Guy New Orchestra -- Inscape - Tableaux (great album, though I can't help comparing it to the LJCO albums, and noticing the lack of power that the smaller ensemble has) Bill Dixon -- Berlin Abozzi (does Dixon use any electronic manipulation of his horn? at times it sounds like it, but I feel it may just be marvelous technique) MIMEO -- Electric Chair & Table (what can I say?) Berlin Contemporary Jazz Orchestra - Live in Japan (beautiful stuff, though I'm still having a hard time believing that the first tenor solo is Gerd Dudek and not Evan Parker) John Butcher (w/ D. Bailey & R. Davies) -- Vortices and Angels (the Bailey duet is especially fine -- one of the most quick witted duets I've heard; the Davies half is also quite good, though very different) Butcher/Dorner/Charles -- The Contest of Pleasures (an oddly low key performance from these guys which I am still trying to figure out. Fascinating, and completely unexpected) Chadbourne/Bennink -- 21 Years Later (probably would have been an amazing concert; as a recording, it is...intriguing) T-Bone Burnett -- self titled (an old favorite which seems to have taken up permanent residence in my car. There's something magical about a hot and dry summer and this album of smartly arranged pseudo bluegrass that inspires long drives into the mountains) Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Hiznay <letucepry@yahoo.com> Subject: Phantomas on Zwei.... Date: 18 Jul 2001 07:55:16 -0700 (PDT) I saw a special on Phantomas here in Germany last night, it was from last summer and seemed very Naked Cities influenced, but was very good, I'd recommend seeing it if it comes on again...for those of you who don't know Zwei is kinda like M2 only it don't suck so much, like you can see an hour long Phantomas special there and such.... also I'm currently in Dresden Germany for a long time on buisness, if anyone can give me some hints as to bands/clubs to check out (within a couple of hours)I'd really appreciate it. thanks djmushmush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bertrand Guggenheim <bgugg@club-internet.fr> Subject: Contemporary / Classical Music Date: 18 Jul 2001 16:51:38 +0200 Any mailing list / newsgroup / website you'd recommend ? Thanks for your help. Bertrand - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Philip Jeck Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:28:40 EDT What is the most efficient method that one could recommend of obtaining the MIMEO Electric Chair and Table CD? Forced Exposure, perhaps. I just got the first one(?) on Perdition Plastics, and its lovely. Recent listens: Kevin Drumm - the guitar one, Second, and the duo w/Sugimoto with the white cover Otomo Yoshihide - Cathode, Filament 1, the duo w/ Voice Crack Keith Rowe - Harsh the MIMEO disc Fennesz - Hotel Parallel Oval - Ovalcommers and Ovalprocess lots of Merzbow Stillupsteypa - a bunch the Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler duo on Erstwhile The new Pig Destroyer album 5 uu's - Hunger's Teeth, Crisis in Clay, and Regarding Purgatories etc.... -matt mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: RE: metalcore/noisecore bands (there IS some Zorn content here) Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:32:44 EDT Wonder what will become of Dillinger now that the > lead singer has quit this past week "to concentrate on non-musical > activities"? > Actually I think it was a month or two ago that he quit; I remembering seeing it on their website not too recently. A couple of them live here in Philadelphia and are friends of friends. Through this I've heard that its likely, or at least possible, that they'll just break up. Who knows? -matt mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Fushitsusha (was rotation) Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:36:40 EDT > > I'm a pretty big fan of the Paratactile double, I saw it! that before which > I could only sense... The amazing title track spans both disks, and the > pacing is much like Allegorical Understanding (it even closes with a short > quiet piece), and it's a studio recording as well. Highly recommended. > -- > Agreed. I like lots of them. I don't know what you have, but the Caution Appears is great probably my favorite next to I Saw It!... The drums are higher in the mix than they sometimes are. I always mix up the names, but the relases on the Tokuma label are all good. You really need to write down the catalog numbers though, as they all look identical otherwise. You get find them on Forced Exposure. -matt mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org> Subject: Re: Odp: Gettin' Dizzy Date: 18 Jul 2001 09:14:49 -0700 At 11:47 AM +0200 7/18/2001, Marcin Gokieli wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org> > >> Greg Bendian/Interzone: Requiem for Jack Kirby: Terrific stuff w/ >> Bendian on Vibes, Nels + Alex Cline and a bassist I can't recall at >> the moment. Great compositions, the writing and instrumentation >> remind me of Tortoise with serious improvising chops. > >Can you - or anyone - tell more about this band? I read an >interviewwith Bendian, and it sounded pretty interesting. >Marcin Gokieli It's a quartet, as stated above. Bendian strictly on vibes and he also writes everything. Bendian's great on vibes, it sounds like he's using really hard mallets and gets an aggressive tone. Nels Cline, of course, is brilliant, and I think this is just about his best playing in a jazz context since some of the stuff he did with Vinny Golia years ago. Alex Cline sounds great also, and is perhaps a more appropriate drummer for this context than Bendian, being a looser, more swinging player. This disc is dedicated to the comic artist Jack Kirby, and the package uses his art really nicely. It's a 70 minute disc that doesn't wear out its welcome, a rare thing. -- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: Charly (was Re: Xtatika, etc.) Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Now if we could only convince the Charly-BYG-Actual-Sun-Shandar-America-USA (did I miss a few labels? --hope I didn't include soem legit ones)made men that they can make $$$ by putting on CD stuff like Alan Silva's CCO etc. thta have never seen the light of laser. But then again with the mentality they have why shouldn't they try to keep selling and reselling the same old stuff? That sort of maximizing of profits has worked for the majors for years. Ken Waxman --- thomas chatterton <chatterton23@hotmail.com> wrote: > >From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com> But then again Charly looks like a rather corrupt outfit... > > There's a great story about Charly when Universal > (MCA) sued them for kazillions of dollars over their unauthorised selling of the Chess Records > catalog; The specific company (say Charly Holdings > Ltd.) at the specific address filed for bankruptcy, while a new company (say Charly Ltd. Holdings) > in the same building but with a new street address > around the corner went into business the next day, minus the Chess titles of course... _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Philip Jeck Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:04:49 EDT In a message dated 7/18/01 11:29:49 AM, Nudeants@aol.com writes: << What is the most efficient method that one could recommend of obtaining the MIMEO Electric Chair and Table CD? Forced Exposure, perhaps. I just got the first one(?) on Perdition Plastics, and its lovely. >> yeah, Forced Exposure has it listed for $21, for a double CD. Electric Chair and Table is decidedly better than the first one, which suffers somewhat from too many people being involved in the editing and selecting process. on Electric Chair and Table, one disc was compiled and edited by Marcus Schmickler, and one by Rafael Toral, which makes it much more coherent to my ears. the power, skill and brilliance of their current live shows has yet to be documented, although the MIMEO/Tilbury collaboration I'm releasing next spring will give you at least a glimpse. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #501 Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:31:38 EDT In a message dated 7/17/01 1:00:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, la_lichuza@bancaria.net.ar writes: << Otomo Yoshihide's "Flutter" (What do you think of it? I like it) >> Very restrained. Will be interesting to see how this quartet progresses. Oh, the potential here... -- np: Super Michiko- Super Percussion (experimental marimba-led music. Of real interest here is the bass marimba Michiko plays. The lowest note hits 32.7 hz. Talk about a room shaker... -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Popkin" <spopkin@nyc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Zorn, Medeski Ribot (Emergency) Gigogphry Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:25:13 -0400 10/22/97 Knitting Factory New York NY CDR 1 A+ A- DAUD Bobby Previte-drums! 11/08/97 Knitting Factory New York NY CDR 1 A+ A- DAUD Ben Perowsky-drums 07/05/98 Tonic New York NY CDR 1 A+ A- DAUD 03/10/98 Knitting Factory New York NY CDR 1/1 A+ A- DAUD Sim Cain-drums 01/27/99 Knitting Factory New York NY CDR 2 A+ A DAUD 08/29/99 Willisau Jazz Festival Willisau Switzerland CDR 1/1 A+ A- DAUD 01/15/01 Mercury Lounge New York NY CDR 2/2 A+ A DAUD 05/16/01 Tonic New York NY CDR 2 A+ A DAUD Ben Perowsky (d) ----- Original Message ----- Cc: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:12 AM > >From: "Steven Popkin" <spopkin@nyc.rr.com> > > > >Does anyone have a list of all the Zorn Medeski Ribot gig dates?. Some were > >billed as Emergency. They featured such drummers as Ben Perowsky, Kenny > >Wollerson,Calvin Weston. I am searching for a list of their gig dates. > >Otherwise I can compile them if you send me you tapelists of these gigs. > > One gig with Wollesen was at the Willisau festival 29th Aug 1999. Are there > any plans for a CD release? > > Andreas > > np: Cecil Taylor - Derek Bailey / Pleistozaen Mit Wasser (FMP) > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 19 Jul 2001 10:43:29 -0700 > on 18-07-2001 13:47, FJG_Lamerikx at flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote: > >> Yma Sumac "Mambo" > > hey look, i'm not the only one... :-) > > np: Yma Sumac - Voice of the Xtabay > > > - > MAMBO is a killing record, both for Yma's improvising and Billy May's charts. Now let us never speak of Yma Sumac again. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Joy Division (was: Re: Recent frequent plays) Date: 18 Jul 2001 18:00:08 -0000 >From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de> > > >What's this one about? >Is it a Joy Division live bootleg? I seem to recall that when this first came out as a white cover/label LP, it was rumoured to be with the band's blessing, now it seems to be (semi) legit from the U.K. label NMC (affliated with Burning Airlines) with the catalog # FACD 2.61. Besides the original tracks from Les Bains Douches (Disorder, Love Will Tear Us Apart, Shadowplay, Transmission, Day Of The Lords, 24 Hours, These Days, A Means To An End), there are additional ones from Amsterdam and Eindhoven in Jan 1980 (Passover, New Dawn Fades, Atrocity Exhibition, Digital, Dead Souls, Autosuggestion, Atmosphere). Sound quality is excellent! Hope that helps, there is a Canadian distributor for NMC, so there should be one in the U.S.? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saleski <marks@foliage.com> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 18 Jul 2001 14:41:47 -0400 Various - Soundtrack to PI Bruce Eisenbeil's Crosscurrent Trio - Mural Trilok Gurtu - Crazy Saints Southside Johnny - Messin' With The Blues Gavin Bryars - The Sinking of the Titanic Bill Laswell - Dub Chamber 3 Tom Waits - Big Time dang, no Zorn-related stuff this time around -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com "Is it so wrong, wanting to be at home with your record collection?" - Nick Hornby - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> Subject: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:07:19 -0700 (PDT) --0-1250843081-995483239=:27682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Track 3 from Zorn's sad, latest effort... Does anyone on the list like this song enough to play it twice completely? I have many Zorn albums, well over 70 in fact (counting Masada, Naked City, Painkiller, etc.) but I really don't understand a song like this... This is a rare occasion where I feel like I've been ripped off... I used to be a Zorn completist, but not anymore... I suppose I'll just purchase the Zorn albums with interesting musicians that I find appealing in the future... Comments? -Theo Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1250843081-995483239=:27682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P> Track 3 from Zorn's sad, latest effort... Does anyone on the list like this song enough to play it twice completely? I have many Zorn albums, well over 70 in fact (counting Masada, Naked City, Painkiller, etc.) but I really don't understand a song like this... This is a rare occasion where I feel like I've been ripped off... 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Is it kind of the usual mix of songs and free impro? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre Date: 19 Jul 2001 12:50:23 -0700 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078391823_3181290_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Track 3 from Zorn's sad, latest effort... Does anyone on the list like this song enough to play it twice completely? I have many Zorn albums, well over 70 in fact (counting Masada, Naked City, Painkiller, etc.) but I really don't understand a song like this... This is a rare occasion where I feel like I've been ripped off... I used to be a Zorn completist, but not anymore... I suppose I'll just purchase the Zorn albums with interesting musicians that I find appealing in the future... Comments? -Theo When a guy puts out as many records as Zorn puts out, it's unrealistic to think you're gonna like even 85%, let alone 100. I wouldn't be so hard on the guy. skip h np: Cannonball Adderley -- Portrait Of Cannonball --MS_Mac_OE_3078391823_3181290_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Track 3 from Zorn's sad, latest effort... Does anyone on the l= ist like this song enough to play it twice completely? I have many Zor= n albums, well over 70 in fact (counting Masada, Naked City, Painkiller, etc= .) but I really don't understand a song like this... This is a rare oc= casion where I feel like I've been ripped off... I used to be a Zorn complet= ist, but not anymore... I suppose I'll just purchase the Zorn albums with in= teresting musicians that I find appealing in the future... Comments? <= BR> <BR> -Theo<BR> <BR> <BR> When a guy puts out as many records as Zorn puts out, it's unrealistic to t= hink you're gonna like even 85%, let alone 100. I wouldn't be so hard = on the guy.<BR> <BR> skip h<BR> <BR> np: Cannonball Adderley -- Portrait Of Cannonball</BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3078391823_3181290_MIME_Part-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Selvig" <mmlselvig@hotmail.com> Subject: Spun Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:50:33 -0700 Recent faves a chez Selvig: Charlie Feathers "Wild Wild Party" CD Acid Mothers Temple "Absolutely Freak Out!" LP v/a "Killed By Death Vol. 6" LP (love the Frantix!) Terry Riley "You're Nogood" CD Taming Power "Selected Works 1997" 10" Miles Davis "Someday My Prince Will Come" LP Primitives "Ostrich" 7" John Oswald "Plunderphonics 69-96" CD (though I think the liner notes are more fun than the music) John Cale "Sun Blindness Music" CD Andre Williams "Silky" LP Akiyama/Sugimoto/Wiget CD _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@wesleyan.edu> Subject: Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre Date: 18 Jul 2001 16:30:49 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:50 PM > When a guy puts out as many records as Zorn puts out, it's unrealistic to > think you're gonna like even 85%, let alone 100. I wouldn't be so hard on > the guy. > > skip h Which is a good argument against being a completist. -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" <bvergara@sfsu.edu> Subject: RE: recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 13:42:44 -0700 Oh, all right, I'll bite: Currently in the CD changer: - Electric Wizard, "Come My Fanatics" - "Music for TV Dinners: The '60s" - Trees, "On the Shore" - Lee Perry and The Upsetters, "Scratch Attack!" And the stuff that was in there the week before: - Keiji Haino, "Abandon All Words At A Stroke So That Prayer Can Come Spilling Out" - Yo La Tengo, live in Paris 1997 - Painkiller, live in Chapel Hill 1995 - Bach: Goldberg Variations (Gould 1955) Later, Ben nr: james ellroy, "the cold six thousand" http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/ ICQ: 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre Date: 19 Jul 2001 13:43:52 -0700 > >> When a guy puts out as many records as Zorn puts out, it's unrealistic to >> think you're gonna like even 85%, let alone 100. I wouldn't be so hard on >> the guy. >> >> skip h > > Which is a good argument against being a completist. > > -Jesse > > > - > I would never advise blind completism. And this is coming fr a self-described Frank Zappa fan. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com> Subject: Re: recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 13:43:38 -0700 >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent >play in your house these days? Grow Fins Trout Mask Replica Lick My Decals Off, Baby Clear Spot Mirror Man Safe As Milk Shiny Beast/Bat Chain Puller Doc At The Radar Station Ice Cream For Crow np: The Spotlight Kid - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: Book of Tells Date: 18 Jul 2001 22:53:51 +0200 Skip wrote: > How > is it? It's beautiful. How can one describe a avant-classical release? It's a bit less dramatic than Zorn's compositions. Lots of melody and plenty of avant turns. You like Feldman?, you'll like this Book. Don't like the cover though. greetings, Rob @ risk np: The ballad of Hank McCain - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: recent frequent plays Date: 19 Jul 2001 14:03:26 -0700 >> let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the > most frequent >> play in your house these days? > > Grow Fins > Trout Mask Replica > Lick My Decals Off, Baby > Clear Spot > Mirror Man > Safe As Milk > Shiny Beast/Bat Chain Puller > Doc At The Radar Station > Ice Cream For Crow > > np: The Spotlight Kid > > > > - > Something tells me you didn't much care for Bill Harkleroad's LUNAR NOTES. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Beddow <peterbeddow@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre Date: 18 Jul 2001 14:01:40 -0700 (PDT) --- Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Track 3 from Zorn's sad, latest effort... Does > anyone on the list like this song enough to play it > twice completely? I have many Zorn albums, well > over 70 in fact (counting Masada, Naked City, > Painkiller, etc.) but I really don't understand a > song like this... This is a rare occasion where I > feel like I've been ripped off... I used to be a > Zorn completist, but not anymore... I suppose I'll > just purchase the Zorn albums with interesting > musicians that I find appealing in the future... > Comments? It reminds me of the music of electronic artists like Autechre, Gescom, Matmos and the like, except maybe a bit more free form in nature. It's not something I could listen to every day but I find it interesting and I appreciate his willingness to explore new possibilities for composition. I would certainly encourage him to make more pieces like this because they will undoubtedly get better and better. I can't say that I feel I was ripped off, because I really enjoy tracks 2 and 4 quite a bit - they alone are worth the price of admission IMO. The whole completist thing is strange to me anyway. Seems to me that it often has little to do with whether the person actually likes all the music he/she is collecting. That said, I am, in fact, a Melvins completist. ;) Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre Date: 18 Jul 2001 23:09:42 +0200 Theo Klaase wrote: > Track 3 from Zorn's sad, latest effort... Does anyone on the list like=20= > this song enough to play it=A0twice completely? is it as boring as the one for the wind machines on MFChildren ? greetings, Rob @ risk np: Down to the Wire - Gerry Hemingway 4tet - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: d lang & m ehrlich/BOac Date: 18 Jul 2001 17:07:25 EDT << The label is called Cantaloupe, ... They've also released 'The Passing Measures,' a gorgeous CD length ambient bass clarinet concerto composed by David Lang and played by Marty Ehrlich, >> dear fellow steve & crew, im glad BOaC has their own label, and gets distrib by HMundi, but i have to say this recored bores me to tears. the drone posse should beat the shit out of lang for this, and let no one think that ehrlich does anything more than provide long bass clarinet tones,,,, after his CRI disc, this is a major major disappointment. vapid stuff. ick. steve koenig - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU> Subject: Re: Dockings Date: 18 Jul 2001 23:20:30 +0200 Arthur replied to Rob: >> Been to NorthSeaJazz yesterday. Seen Han Bennink, > > How was this show? A solo performance? He played with an older lady who played the piano. She became invisible as soon as Bennink started playing. As a matter of fact, Bennink came on stage first. Her sounds were beautiful though. >> Farmers Market (Stian Carstersen) > > And what about this one? Well, they're very talented, but - I never thought I'd say this - they played too may notes. The bulgarian rythms were too much for a whole set. The CD must be fun though. >> np: alasnoaxis > > Is this better than the recent very weak live performances? At first I couldn't understand the praise for this album but now I have to agree wholeheartedly. This is perfect ambient and creative music which sometimes rocks and folks and whatevers. Don't know about the live performances. Is there a consencus on them not being so good ? greetings, Rob @ risk np: Feldman - Book of Tells - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" <bvergara@sfsu.edu> Subject: RE: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre Date: 18 Jul 2001 14:32:59 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rob Allaert > Theo Klaase wrote: > > > Track 3 from Zorn's sad, latest effort... Does anyone on the list lik= e > > this song enough to play it=A0twice completely? > > is it as boring as the one for the wind machines on MFChildren ? I actually liked that one -- kind of like an Aube track using wind as the source. It was certainly more interesting than the "Bad Hawkwind" track o= ff "Nani Nani," which goes on for way too long without much development. Later, Ben np: electric wizard, "come my fanatics" http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/ ICQ: 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org> Subject: Re: spring heel jack? Date: 18 Jul 2001 15:26:35 -0700 At 5:05 AM -0700 7/18/2001, Hywel Davies wrote: >hi, anyone heard the Spring Heel Jack/Blue Series >Continuum "Masses" cd? with Evan Parker, Berne, Mat >Maneri, et al? >opinions would be welcome.. > I like it quite a lot. It's pretty far removed from SHJ's other releases, which are in the more experimental end of drum 'n bass. In fact, there's nothing remotely related to d 'n b on Masses. I hear Masses as a set of electronic collages that small groups of improvisors play over. It's really beautiful and varied. One track, with Roy Campbell on trumpet, sounds like a Miles/Gil Evans piece, with swirling, vocal-sounding electronics replacing the Evan's Orchestrations. Other pieces sound like a free improvising big band. The new "Wire" calls it a total triumph, and I'm inclined to agree. -- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sergio luque <sergioluque@mac.com> Subject: Re: recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 18:55:32 -0500 j. s. bach - golberg variations - glenn gould - 1981 digital recording (one of the cds that i love the most) taj mahal travellers - august 1974 (thanks to jon abbey for this recommendation) kk null - gev (i've just heard him playing live!) klaas de vries - 2 cds of orchestral music - donemus (he's going to be my composition teacher next fall) clarence barlow - musica derivata (i'm not really liking this one but, as it was recommended by someone i trust, i'm giving it some extra spins) john cage _one5_ & morton feldman _triadic memories_ - louis goldstein (very recommended!) morton feldman - _for john cage_ - paul zukofsky & marianne schroeder giacinto scelsi - esemble 2e2m burkhard stangl/christof kurzmann - schnee fennesz - several mp3s king crimson - the great deceiver: disc 3 & thrak (waiting for the concert!) karlheinz stockhausen - hymnen (thanks to caleb deupree for this recommendation) john coltrane - ascension john cage - the barton workshop plays john cage: disc 1 frank zappa - uncle meat claude debussy - pr=E9ludes - arturo benedetti michelangeli edgar var=E8se - arcana/am=E9riques/ionisation - pierre boulez peter br=F6tzmann - the chicago octet tentet: disc one (thanks to ken waxman for this recommendation) david toop - museum of fruit bob dylan - lots of songs bernhard g=FCnter - for heike helmut lachenmann - solo pieces ohm: the early gurus of electronic music brian ferneyhough - lots of stuff sonic youth - several mp3s ground zero - last concert otomo yoshihide - cathode --=20 sergio sergioluque@mac.com my mp3s > http://www.tomate.com.mx/sergio - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Fwd: and your day job is? Date: 18 Jul 2001 20:00:34 EDT --part1_116.1d6f66c.28877d22_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_116.1d6f66c.28877d22_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <TKCervesa@aol.com> Full-name: TKCervesa Message-ID: <51.e6757e6.28876357@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_116.1d6f66c.28876357_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 --part2_116.1d6f66c.28876357_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part2_116.1d6f66c.28876357_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <Gigibperk@aol.com> Full-name: Gigibperk Message-ID: <a4.16dce9f6.2884763f@aol.com> msfitz@earthlink.net, LINDSEYLOU66@aol.com, RalphNazario@yahoo.com, jerryoutlaw@webtv.net, veeyou@gte.net, LRsaxman@aol.com, adamr1@earthlink.net, MSavi@aol.com, msavko818@yahoo.com, JahJahWorrior@aol.com, eldouje@eudoramail.com, kinkymook@hotmail.com, Anijet@Anijet.com, ebonysushi@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 "[Musicians] talk of nothing but money and jobs. Give me businessmen every=20 time. They really are interested in music and art." =E2=80=94Jean Sibelius, explaining why he rarely invited musicians to his ho= me. "The amount of money one needs is terrifying ..."=20 =E2=80=94Ludwig van Beethoven "Only become a musician if there is absolutely no other way you can make a=20 living." =E2=80=94Kirke Mecham, on his life as a composer=20 "Of course I'm ambitious. What's wrong with that? Otherwise you sleep all=20 day." =E2=80=94Ringo Starr=20 "Flint must be an extremely wealthy town: I see that each of you bought two=20 or three seats." =E2=80=94Victor Borge, playing to a half-filled house in Flint, Mich.=20 "I never use a score when conducting my orchestra. Does a lion tamer enter a= =20 cage with a book on how to tame a lion?" =E2=80=94Dimitri Mitropolous=20 "God tells me how the music should sound, but you stand in the way." =E2=80=94Arturo Toscanini to a trumpet player=20 "Already too loud!" =E2=80=94Bruno Walter at his first rehearsal with an American orchestra, on=20= seeing=20 the players reaching for their instruments.=20 "In opera, there is always too much singing." =E2=80=94Claude Debussy=20 "Oh how wonderful, really wonderful, opera would be if there were no singers= !" =E2=80=94Gioacchino Rossini=20 "Theirs [the Beatles'] is a happy, cocky, belligerently resourceless brand o= f=20 harmonic primitivism... In the Liverpudlian repertoire, the indulged=20 amateurishness of the musical material, though closely rivaled by the=20 indifference of the performing style, is actually surpassed only by the=20 ineptitude of the studio production method. 'Strawberry Fields' suggests a=20 chance encounter at a mountain wedding between Claudio Monteverdi and a jug=20 band." =E2=80=94Glenn Gould=20 "It's pretty clear now that what looked like it might have been some kind of= =20 counterculture is, in reality, just the plain old chaos of undifferentiated=20 weirdness." =E2=80=94Jerry Garcia=20 "I am not handsome, but when women hear me play, they come crawling to my=20 feet." =E2=80=94Niccolo Paganini (My personal favorite musician)=20 "Hello my name is Jimmy Page and I'm an alcoholic". He probably didn't say=20 that, but, he was once my hero, and well, it was the 70's. [Unable to displa= y=20 image] --part2_116.1d6f66c.28876357_boundary-- --part1_116.1d6f66c.28877d22_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt krefting" <mkrefting@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Fushitsusha Date: 18 Jul 2001 20:11:35 -0400 my personal favorite is still the 'double live' 2cd (psf 15/16). it was the first i heard, so it holds a special place in my heart, but it has also proved to be the one that holds up the best in my opinion. one of my desert island discs for sure. or would that count as two? i dunno, the thing's a fukken monster. 'i heard it...' and 'pathetique' are close seconds. the first double disc (psf 3/4) is slightly more 'standard' in a rock kinda way, but i still find it fantastic and rewarding. what a great band... mk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Spun Date: 19 Jul 2001 00:29:04 >John Oswald "Plunderphonics 69-96" CD (though I think the liner notes >are >more fun than the music) Agreed, although the track with Carly Simon and Faster Pussycat's versions of "You're So Vain" spliced together back and forth is amazing, and not just from a technical standpoint. Whereas, I find that a lot of the other stuff is technically amazing, conceptually interesting, yet not always a lot of fun to listen to. WY p.s. It was good to see that the new Hal Russell reissue on Atavistic got mentioned in the 'listening-to' lists. I like that one, too. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 18 Jul 2001 21:07:52 EDT --part1_7b.17be08a7.28878ce8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really don't think it's fair to demean the works on this album without some explanation with what's wrong with them. i definitely can't compare it to Matmos, Gescom, or Autetchre at all. and I think it's the lack of musical reference points that is turning people off. I give Zorn a considerable amount of credit for not just hopping the IDM ship or turning out some derrivitive piece of Musique Concrete. I think the main dissapointment for me, as a computer-based musician, is the lack of tonal and timbral palette zorn implements. While I wouldn't say the pieces don't go "anywhere", i would say they don't go very far. I'd definitely be curious to hear some more in-depth discussion of this release, considering what a serious departure it is.. from, matt --part1_7b.17be08a7.28878ce8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>I really don't think it's fair to demean the works on this album without some <BR>explanation with what's wrong with them. i definitely can't compare it to <BR>Matmos, Gescom, or Autetchre at all. and I think it's the lack of musical <BR>reference points that is turning people off. I give Zorn a considerable <BR>amount of credit for not just hopping the IDM ship or turning out some <BR>derrivitive piece of Musique Concrete. I think the main dissapointment for <BR>me, as a computer-based musician, is the lack of tonal and timbral palette <BR>zorn implements. While I wouldn't say the pieces don't go "anywhere", i would <BR>say they don't go very far. I'd definitely be curious to hear some more <BR>in-depth discussion of this release, considering what a serious departure it <BR>is.. <BR>from, <BR>matt</FONT></HTML> --part1_7b.17be08a7.28878ce8_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Fushitsusha Date: 18 Jul 2001 21:06:36 EDT I have a soft spot for the Victo one, because I was there, but I think the Tokuma material and the double on Blast First are my picks. I never was a big fan of either of the PSF doubles, and I thought the recent double on Paratactile was pretty wanky. the Tzadik one sounds a little enervated for my tastes compared to the other material from that period. that being said, Fushitsusha isn't a band that lends itself to a lot of head-to-head comparison, which is I think why most people's lists seem pretty subjective. have you checked the Opprobrium site? I'm sure they've thoroughly explored the topic. www.info.net.nz/opprobrium Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Gillett <gill0042@tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 18 Jul 2001 20:46:09 -0500 (CDT) Hi - I was flipping through the used CDs at a local store today, and I ran across _We Are The Romans_ by the recently-mentioned Botch. I picked it up, even though I knew nothing about it other than what Mr. Smith and Mr. York have said. I'm about ten minutes away from the end now. I only have a few discs in the general genre-area of Botch in my collection--Dazzling Killmen, maybe Craw--but this disc seems a bit more varied than the Dazzling Killmen, while being more consistently brutal than Craw. Other things I've been enjoying lately, new and old: Deltron 3030 Del tha Funkee Homosapien's turn on the recent Gorillaz single reminded me that I'd always meant to check him out, so I picked up this disc from last year, a collaboration between Del, Dan The Automator, and Kid Koala (with many guests). They shoot for a very "cinematic" feel, and they get it. "3030" is particularly memorable, and the several "skits" aren't as intrusive/annoying as they usually are to me. Matt Turner - Crushed Smoke If you liked Turner's Meniscus disc (_The Mouse That Roared_) well enough but thought "what's with all the tunes?", don't hesitate to grab this one. These are mostly shorter tracks which concentrate on one or two extended techniques per track. Somewhat comparable to Fred Lonberg-Holm's _Personal Scratch_. This is on Tautology. Bill Dixon - Odyssey I'm only partway through this six-disc set, though I had heard the Cadence "boot" of the first two discs before. I enjoy Dixon solo more so than in any of the group works I've heard. When he's with other musicians, the fact that he's playing in a different acoustic world than everyone else (thanks to the delay/echo) irritates me. On the spoken word disc, Dixon says that the effects are there to make whispering sounds audible, but I don't buy that. Greg Kelley and Axel Doerner don't need effects to make their whispering sounds audible. In any case, when Dixon is playing solo I can appreciate the effects as part of the music. I would have liked to have been in the audience when he played the longest track in the collection, "Jerusalem" (~27 minutes). Usually I don't think of sounds produced by extended techniques as being funny, but here Dixon introduces the piece by saying "I'd like to dedicate this performance to all the people of Jerusalem," and then launches into a series of fart-and-burp sounds. I can only imagine what the Dixon-newcomers in the audience were thinking (most of the rest of the track is more elegaic and line-oriented). Music aside, _Odyssey_ gets the Golden Turkey award from me for the packaging. The box and booklets are very nice, but the CDs themselves are held in sleeves which are glued to the box--yuck. I immediately removed the discs and put them in regular jewel cases. Disc 3 had glue all over it. Albert Ayler - New Grass A used copy of the Japanese reissue from a few years back. I actually like this a lot--as a novelty, sure, but the songs are actually catchy (in my mind). Recommended for fans of Sagittarius, The Millennium, etc., who want something with more of an R&B feeling. James Coleman - Zuihitsu Boston-area Thereminist's first album under his own name, I believe. Concise tracks featuring Coleman with various colleagues--Greg Kelley, Vic Rawlings, Bhob Rainey, Tatsuya Nakatani, Liz Tonne--in various combinations. On Sedimental. See <URL:http://www.zuihitsu.net/> for more information. John Cale - Paris 1919 Actually, I've been listening to many Cale albums lately, but _Paris 1919_ has emerged as my favorite. While I think the Island albums are okay, I just don't find Cale all that convincing when he's trying to rock out. And then there are the discs that haven't impressed me much: Fred Frith - Clearing I really like _Guitar Solos_, which was one of my first improv purchases, but this album just doesn't affect me. Even when the sounds are discordant, there's a smooth sheen there to keep everything pleasant. It feels like an ECM production to me. Dachte Musik - s/t Wow, I was really disappointed by this one. After listening to disc one, I didn't even want to bother with disc two (I did, a couple days later). Agonizingly dull guitar work (why, Stangl, why!), and I never want to hear another tongue in a mouthpiece. I'll give it another try when the bitter taste has worn off a bit. Misere et Cordes - Au Ni Kita This has its moments, and I wouldn't tell people to stay away, but overall I found it unimpressive. It's a quartet of guitarists, including Pascal Battus (namechecked by Keith Rowe in the recent Wire article). The fact that the track times in the liner notes bear no resemblance to the actual track lengths is a minor annoyance. All just my opinions, of course. -- Charles NP: _We Are The Romans_, Botch (again) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Given <dlgiven@altavista.com> Subject: Re: recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 18:47:44 -0700 > From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: recent frequent plays > > >Chadbourne/Bennink -- 21 Years Later (probably would have been an amazing > >concert; as a recording, it is...intriguing) > > Tell us more, please! Is it kind of the usual mix of songs and free impro? yep, you hit it right on the nail. Recorded last September on their tour of the US. Free improvs that segue into jazz standards, country tunes, and something that may be a Motorhead song? and then drift back into the netherworld... I think Bennink handles this situation better than Paul Lovens (based on hearing the Chad/Lovens disc on Leo), because he seems more comfortable playing a traditional drummer role on the songs. There's a bit of rake, some electric and acoustic guitar, banjo -- pretty much what you would expect. I admit I had big reservations about this one, because I think both musicians, though capable of brilliance, are very hit and miss (as per several discussions here recently about Bennink the showman versus Bennink the musician). Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sergio luque <sergioluque@mac.com> Subject: Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre (& acoustic feedback) Date: 18 Jul 2001 21:09:47 -0500 el 18/7/01 16:09, Rob Allaert en Rob@llaert.NU escribi=F3: > is it as boring as the one for the wind machines on MFChildren ? doh!, the windy piece, & the songs played by prelapse, are the tracks that = i like the most from that cd. and, in spite of that, i like them a lot! ;-> btw, what is an acoustic feedback system?, i only know that i want one, but i don't know if i can put one in my bedroom. in the guest bathroom? i remember a letter derek bailey sent to _the wire_ , explaining that the feedback of his acoustic guitar was acoustic "as in acoustic". what is he talking about? --=20 sergio sergioluque@mac.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Berman" <mberman@his.com> Subject: Re: recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 23:21:08 -0400 > > Subject: Re: recent frequent plays > >=20 what da hay, before this passes by.... mostly from recent ebay = trollings. upon review, id say i look a little old school compared to = recent postings. =20 .zorn-tremblin' g-d. =20 While I'm liking this, I'm itching for more instrumentation in these = tunes, its pretty sparse for my tastes. thus my favorite cuts are the = two w/ baptista. also is this the premiere of singing zorn? just = curious .blood ulmer-live at the bayerischer hof =20 .thomas chapin-night bird songs .eric kloss-in the land of giants / one two free / to hear is to see / = consciousness a friend has dumped 4 cd-r's of this guy in my lap forcing me to hear = the "great" unheard blind white alto sax guy of the late 60's. i admit, = i hadn't heard of him. mostly, i was sorta impressed, but also he never = really sounds original. at times trying like trane, one album in = particular (consciousness, i think) sounding like he stole miles = electric back up band to do new arrangements of silent way (and it was = too - chick corea, dave holland and jack dejohnette but the added = exception of pat martino on guitar). actually pat martino sounds great = and it made me revisit some Muse vinyl of his. (how about a recent = plays of peoples vinyl next??) I was half really pissed, half enjoying his transitions from intense = electric miles jams to (interesting) covers of folkys Carol King and = Donovan!! Almost every album has at least one, Sunshine Superman, It's = too Late, Songs for aging children, etc.. fun, I admit, and maybe the = right time, but hes no Steve Marcus either, because he plays them like = he really likes these tunes or trying for a crossover hit. anyone have = thoughts on this guy? like what happened to him? =20 .odean pope trio- ninety six .mal waldron trio - blood and guts .marisa monte- memories, chronicles... .billy bang/abbey radner-echoes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cameron Wood" <cameron_wood@ihateclowns.com> Subject: Re: frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 20:53:57 -0700 It's always fun making lists! It's been school holidays (winter time though, I live in Australia) the past 2 weeks so I've listened to lots of stuff. CDs: 'GQ on the EQ' - Kid606 'An Experiment In Terror (promo single)' - Fantomas 'Music From Twin Peaks' - Angelo Badalamenti 'Another Body Murdered (single)' - FNM & Boo-Yaa TRIBE 'Hip Hop Don't Stop' - Chong DMC 'Hot Animal Machine & Drive By Shooting EP' - Henry Rollins 'Introduce Yourself' - FNM 'Tarantino's Favourites' - Various Artists Records: 'Everest Records Archive of Folk & Jazz: Django Reinhardt' -Django Reinhardt 'The Monty Python Instant Record Collection' -Monty Python 'Selections from 2001 & suite from "Aniara" ' -Ormandy/Philadelphia Orchestra, Bernstein/New York Philharmonic Later, Cameron. Do you hate clowns? Get Free Email & Free Websites at http://www.ihateclowns.com Get Paid! http://www.spedia.net/cgi-bin/tz.cgi?run=show_svc&fl=8&vid=2633282 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: Re: recent frequent plays Date: 19 Jul 2001 13:28:31 +1000 << .zorn-tremblin' g-d. While I'm liking this, I'm itching for more instrumentation in these tunes, its pretty sparse for my tastes. thus my favorite cuts are the two w/ baptista. also is this the premiere of singing zorn? just curious >> Well he did some vocals with Naked City, didn't he? I seem to remember seeing that in a video somewhere... And of course "Contact" off the Serge Gainsbourg compilation. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Completisms (Was Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre) Date: 19 Jul 2001 00:39:34 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Skip Heller wrote: > > > I would never advise blind completism. And this is coming fr a > self-described Frank Zappa fan. Rather than a contradiction, that's an explanation. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:54:19 EDT some additional comments on a few discs Charles mentioned: <<Bill Dixon - Odyssey I'm only partway through this six-disc set, though I had heard the Cadence "boot" of the first two discs before. I enjoy Dixon solo more so than in any of the group works I've heard. When he's with other musicians, the fact that he's playing in a different acoustic world than everyone else (thanks to the delay/echo) irritates me.>> I feel exactly the opposite. I've listened to this once through so far, and I much prefer the interplay of his recent small group sessions. I see what you're saying about a "different acoustic world", but I just think it moves the music away from explicit interplay into post-AMM territory, usually a positive in my book. <<James Coleman - Zuihitsu>> a really nice document from the burgeoning Cambridge/Boston improv scene, I've been playing this one a lot recently. <<Dachte Musik - s/t Wow, I was really disappointed by this one. After listening to disc one, I didn't even want to bother with disc two (I did, a couple days later). Agonizingly dull guitar work (why, Stangl, why!), and I never want to hear another tongue in a mouthpiece. I'll give it another try when the bitter taste has worn off a bit.>> yeah, this is my frontrunner for disappointing record of the year. a very puzzling release, made even stranger when you learn that it's actually an hour of material slowed down to half-speed. I hope this dud isn't keeping people from buying dach. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Completisms (Was Re: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre) Date: 19 Jul 2001 23:09:04 -0700 > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Skip Heller wrote: >>> >> I would never advise blind completism. And this is coming fr a >> self-described Frank Zappa fan. > > Rather than a contradiction, that's an explanation. > > > konrad > > ^Z > > > > - > It certainly is! skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 18 Jul 2001 10:36:21 +0200 Hi! >Eyvind Kang: Story of Icelund I've been wanting to listen to this album for quite a long time but it never made it to Spanish shops (that I Know). Is it worth the $? I was really dissappointed by some sections of "Theater of MIneral Nades", in particular by the Middle Ages music included. This is not the case of "Story of Iceland", is it? Thanks. Greetings, EfrΘn n.p: Sam Prekop (Thrill Jockey) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Beddow <peterbeddow@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:55:49 -0700 (PDT) --- Orangejazz@aol.com wrote: > I really don't think it's fair to demean the works > on this album without some > explanation with what's wrong with them. i > definitely can't compare it to > Matmos, Gescom, or Autetchre at all. Ok. I only cite these artists because theirs is the only music that I've heard in my experience that comes close to what I'm hearing in those two pieces (I'm thinking parts of Chiastic Slide, Confield, and Minidisc in particular). That's why I said that those pieces "remind me" of the work of those artists. Never meant to imply that they are very similar or that Zorn was trying to imitate. and I think > it's the lack of musical > reference points that is turning people off. That's why I think if I hadn't heard the above artists beforehand, I would probably have reacted in a similar way to Theo (Theo, right?). I do like both of those pieces, don't get me wrong. I just like tracks two and four more. :) I think the > main dissapointment for > me, as a computer-based musician, is the lack of > tonal and timbral palette > zorn implements. While I wouldn't say the pieces > don't go "anywhere", i would > say they don't go very far. One could say this about several of his pieces (Redbird comes to mind). Perhaps he was going for a more open-ended "minimalist" approach (in the sense of utilizing just a few basic elements or sounds)? I'd definitely be > curious to hear some more > in-depth discussion of this release, considering > what a serious departure it > is.. I need more listens... Pete PS Julia Child is fucked up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 20 Jul 2001 02:02:41 -0700 > > and I think >> it's the lack of musical >> reference points that is turning people off. So to hear something that doesn't sound like something else is less desirable? skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Beddow <peterbeddow@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 19 Jul 2001 02:14:37 -0700 (PDT) --- Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > and I think > >> it's the lack of musical > >> reference points that is turning people off. > > So to hear something that doesn't sound like > something else is less > desirable? No, but if one has a frame of reference for a piece of music, one is going to be able to warm to it or engage it much more quickly than otherwise. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 19 Jul 2001 11:05:26 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C11042.B6E484C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matt and all, I agree with you that these compositions are not exactly comparable to = other existing electronic groups. IMHO, Autechre wouldn't be a good = comparison. I really think that they thoroughly work their structures = and sounds to the smallest detail. I'd dare to say (as I stated here when I heard "Songs from...") that = this album doesn't go ANYWHERE as a whole. It seems gratuitous to me, = which is an adjective I had never applied to Zorn before. I could like a = record or dislike it but never regarded one of his albums as pretentious = shit. When someone does something in the "press-a-button" vein, I hate = him/her trying to sell the stuff to me by using an intellectual alibi. I would love to give an in-depth opinion on these compositions, but it's = been impossible since I find them extremely shallow. Greetings, Efr=E9n del VAlle n.p: David Slusser "Delight at the End of the Tunnel" ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C11042.B6E484C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi Matt and all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I agree with you that these compositions are not = exactly=20 comparable to other existing electronic groups. IMHO, Autechre wouldn't = be a=20 good comparison. I really think that they thoroughly work their = structures and=20 sounds to the smallest detail.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd dare to say (as I stated here when I heard = "Songs=20 from...") that this album doesn't go ANYWHERE as a whole. It seems=20 gratuitous to me, which is an adjective I had never applied to Zorn = before. I=20 could like a record or dislike it but never regarded one of his albums = as=20 pretentious shit. When someone does something in the = "press-a-button"=20 vein, I hate him/her trying to sell the stuff to me by using an = intellectual=20 alibi.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I would love to give an in-depth opinion on these=20 compositions, but it's been impossible since I find them extremely=20 shallow.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Efrén del VAlle</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>n.p: David Slusser "Delight at the End of the=20 Tunnel"</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C11042.B6E484C0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 20 Jul 2001 02:26:41 -0700 > > --- Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>> and I think >>>> it's the lack of musical >>>> reference points that is turning people off. >> >> So to hear something that doesn't sound like >> something else is less >> desirable? > > No, but if one has a frame of reference for a piece of > music, one is going to be able to warm to it or engage > it much more quickly than otherwise. I would never make a blanket statement like that. Hearing something that is unprecedented (to the listener) can be powerful. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Beddow <peterbeddow@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 19 Jul 2001 02:26:45 -0700 (PDT) --- EfrΘn_del_Valle <efrendv@yahoo.es> wrote: > Hi Matt and all, > > I agree with you that these compositions are not > exactly comparable to other existing electronic > groups. IMHO, Autechre wouldn't be a good > comparison. I really think that they thoroughly work > their structures and sounds to the smallest detail. True. Though from the sound of their last album, Confield, and their recent live shows, it seems as though they are trying to incorporate improvisation into their M.O. I wonder if Zorn's two pieces make use of improvisation somehow? Perhaps that would account for that quality of "not quite getting there"? > I would love to give an in-depth opinion on these > compositions, but it's been impossible since I find > them extremely shallow. As in unsophisticated? Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Beddow <peterbeddow@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 19 Jul 2001 02:33:38 -0700 (PDT) --- Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > --- Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> and I think > >>>> it's the lack of musical > >>>> reference points that is turning people off. > >> > >> So to hear something that doesn't sound like > >> something else is less > >> desirable? > > > > No, but if one has a frame of reference for a > piece of > > music, one is going to be able to warm to it or > engage > > it much more quickly than otherwise. > > I would never make a blanket statement like that. > Hearing something that is > unprecedented (to the listener) can be powerful. Indeed. But to some such an experience can be frightening or uncomfortable. For some it would take time to come to terms with a challenging piece of music, doncha think? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 20 Jul 2001 02:42:05 -0700 > > --- Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> --- Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> and I think >>>>>> it's the lack of musical >>>>>> reference points that is turning people off. >>>> >>>> So to hear something that doesn't sound like >>>> something else is less >>>> desirable? >>> >>> No, but if one has a frame of reference for a >> piece of >>> music, one is going to be able to warm to it or >> engage >>> it much more quickly than otherwise. >> >> I would never make a blanket statement like that. >> Hearing something that is >> unprecedented (to the listener) can be powerful. > > Indeed. But to some such an experience can be > frightening or uncomfortable. For some it would take > time to come to terms with a challenging piece of > music, doncha think? > It might depend on your definition of challenging. It its time, "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag" (by James brown) was an unprecedented sound. But, since nobody bothered to present it to the audience as a potential problem, it got by okay. Charles Ives, on the other hand, was for so long described as difficult that, when people finally got to hear it, their reference point did nothing to bring them closer to the music (and in fact probably kept a great many people away). Art, if it's the real stuff, will usually speak for itself. It might take a good bit of time for the audience to rally around it, sure. But the real stuff should be afforded the opportunity to do its own talking before someone sticks a reference point in front of it. skip heller http://www.skipheller.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Fushitsusha Date: 19 Jul 2001 12:28:49 +0000 >From: JonAbbey2@aol.com >Subject: Re: Fushitsusha > >that being said, Fushitsusha isn't a band that lends itself to a lot of >head-to-head comparison, which is I think why most people's lists seem >pretty >subjective. have you checked the Opprobrium site? I'm sure they've >thoroughly >explored the topic. yes, and they endorsed the Paratactile release quite strongly. I assume what you're saying is that there's very little consensus on what the "best" Fushitsusha release is. Am I right? I haven't heard the Tokuma releases. I do like the PSFs and the Paratactile, however. But I agree with the reviewer that F requires too much time. One disk, every so often, is quite enough. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl> Subject: Odp: Songs from the Hermetic Theatre Date: 19 Jul 2001 15:58:33 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- > When a guy puts out as many records as Zorn puts out, it's unrealistic to > think you're gonna like even 85%, let alone 100. I wouldn't be so hard on > the guy. I'd think that it would be strange to like 100 percent of someone's output. The artist you listen to isn't not you; and I think he does not himself like some of the things he has done. If one wants to be a completist, no problem; but one must be ready to buy stuff he does not like and treat them as valuable hsitorical document. I remeber having a discussion along the lines of 'is masada just boredom or is it a great band'. I was entousiaatically for, as I like th band very much. The person who disagreed argued that all thoose records very similiar, and he's bought them all, and now he regrets it etc. Some time after this exchange I realised that he, who did not like the band, had them all, while me, who likes it very much, just have 4 of them + 2 live albums... Marcin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt krefting" <mkrefting@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 19 Jul 2001 10:00:35 -0400 <<James Coleman - Zuihitsu>> >a really nice document from the burgeoning Cambridge/Boston improv >scene, >I've been playing this one a lot recently. speaking of which, has anybody else heard greg kelley's tape on freedom from? totally killer, imho. i saw him play a solo set about a month ago for a crowd of about 7 that was really incredible. humming and buzzing textures coming out of nowhere and receding again. wild... mk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> Subject: Zorn Completist in the building... Date: 19 Jul 2001 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) --0-821581633-995553680=:95747 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I became a Zorn completist because, honestly, I like nearly everything enough to admit that I got my $$$ worth... Even if I really didn't like one song, usually another song on the album was made the purchase worth while... A trade-off of sorts... I suppose I was a bit T-ed off because I'm used to really finding interesting, redeeming things on all of Zorn's releases, yet this album seemed poorly thought out and trivial... The last track and track 2 are okay, but it c(w)ould've been quite appropiate to put those 2 songs on some other album... Track 3 is complete bullshit... Even Merzbow would puke after that one. Ha ha ha That's just my opinion, I could be wrong... This experience has liberated me... I will now only buy the Zorn albums with interesting musician's on them... Unless I hear them first and after doing so, find that it's worth the $$$... Live and learn... Thanks for the comments all, I did find them generally accurate and helpful. I suppose I was suffering from a "Zorn can do no wrong" syndrome... For the most part anyway... Now I've seen the little man behind the curtain, like the Wizard of Oz, and it's a good eye opener... He's only human and of course I realize that he can like things that I detest... After all, we're all uniquely human... -Theo Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-821581633-995553680=:95747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P> I became a Zorn completist because, honestly, I like nearly everything enough to admit that I got my $$$ worth... Even if I really didn't like one song, usually another song on the album was made the purchase worth while... A trade-off of sorts... I suppose I was a bit T-ed off because I'm used to really finding interesting, redeeming things on all of Zorn's releases, yet this album seemed poorly thought out and trivial... The last track and track 2 are okay, but it c(w)ould've been quite appropiate to put those 2 songs on some other album... Track 3 is complete bullshit... Even Merzbow would puke after that one. Ha ha ha That's just my opinion, I could be wrong...</P> <P>This experience has <STRONG>liberated me</STRONG>... I will now only buy the Zorn albums with interesting musician's on them... Unless I hear them first and after doing so, find that it's worth the $$$... Live and learn... Thanks for the comments all, I did find them generally accurate and helpful. </P> <P> I suppose I was suffering from a "Zorn can do no wrong" syndrome... For the most part anyway... Now I've seen the little man behind the curtain, like the Wizard of Oz, and it's a good eye opener... He's only human and of course I realize that he can like things that I detest... After all, we're all uniquely human... </P> <P>-Theo</P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year!<BR><a href="http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=tagline">http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/</a> --0-821581633-995553680=:95747-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Campbell Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:47:53 +0200 (CEST) Hi! Anyone heard the CAMPBELL-PARKER-DRAKE recently released album and would care to comment? It seems really interesting. Thanks in advance. Best, EfrΘn _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicaci≤n instantßnea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays Date: 20 Jul 2001 02:15:58 +1000 > >Eyvind Kang: Story of Icelund > > I've been wanting to listen to this album for quite a long time but it never > made it to Spanish shops (that I Know). Is it worth the $? I was really > dissappointed by some sections of "Theater of MIneral Nades", in particular > by the Middle Ages music included. This is not the case of "Story of > Iceland", is it? I really like it. But then again I didn't mind the Medieval stuff on 'ToMN'. It was the reggae-ish stuff near the end I couldn't stand. Anyway, brief description of 'Iceland': the album starts off with a suite of 5 pieces which keep returning to the main theme (which is a very nice, multi-layered little theme). After that there's a song (with singing, that is) that kind of sounds a little bit like Bowie, but the concept is to repeat the main tune, building up, adding layers, etc... And finally there is a short gamelan piece. On the whole, a very enjoyable album... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com> Subject: Fushitsusha Recommendations Date: 19 Jul 2001 14:17:48 -0400 On the subject of Fushitsusha recommendations, I will point out that there is a database of Haino reviews (most in English and some in French) on the "Reviews" page located at http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/index.html The reviews are written by a wide variety of people and for the same album, often present dissenting opinions. It's a good place to find out what some other people think about the various albums, as well as an opportunity to post your own thoughts on them. David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David John Howarth" <david@bundom.clara.co.uk> Subject: Charly Records HQ Date: 19 Jul 2001 19:53:12 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C1108C.717BF720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:18:06 -0000 we had: >From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com> > But then again Charly looks like a rather >corrupt outfit... There's a great story about Charly when Universal (MCA) sued them for=20 kazillions of dollars over their unauthorised selling of the Chess = Records=20 catalog; The specific company (say Charly Holdings Ltd.) at the specific = address filed for bankruptcy, while a new company (say Charly Ltd. = Holdings)=20 in the same building but with a new street address around the corner = went=20 into business the next day, minus the Chess titles of course... _________________________________________________________________________= Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com. Unless I'm completely mad I used to pass that self same building here in = South London (near the bottom end of The Old Kent Road for them as know = and care) when I took a slightly different route into one of my previous = job. As I recall the building (small industrial unit) was on a corner = plot and one day the company logo did dissappear from view, though the = business was obviously still there. too rough an area to want to ever go = exploring though... Best Dave Howarth ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C1108C.717BF720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#c8e0d8> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><FONT size=3D3> </FONT> <P class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:18:06 -0000</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal>we had:</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><BR>From: "thomas chatterton" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:chatterton23@hotmail.com">chatterton23@hotmail.com</A>>= <BR>Subject:=20 Re: Charly (was Re: Xtatika, etc.)<BR><BR>>From: "Bill Ashline" = <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:bashline@hotmail.com">bashline@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>= <BR>But=20 then again Charly looks like a rather<BR>>corrupt = outfit...<BR><BR>There's a=20 great story about Charly when Universal (MCA) sued them for = <BR>kazillions of=20 dollars over their unauthorised selling of the Chess Records = <BR>catalog; The=20 specific company (say Charly Holdings Ltd.) at the specific <BR>address = filed=20 for bankruptcy, while a new company (say Charly Ltd. Holdings) <BR>in = the same=20 building but with a new street address around the corner went <BR>into = business=20 the next day, minus the Chess titles of=20 course...<BR>____________________________________________________________= _____________<BR>Get=20 Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <A=20 href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>.</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal>Unless I'm completely mad I used to pass that self = same=20 building here in South London (near the bottom end of The Old Kent Road = for them=20 as know and care) when I took a slightly different route into one of my = previous=20 job. As I recall the building (small industrial unit) was on a corner = plot and=20 one day the company logo did dissappear from view, though the business = was=20 obviously still there. too rough an area to want to ever go exploring=20 though...</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal>Best</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal>Dave Howarth</P></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C1108C.717BF720-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Zorn singing Date: 19 Jul 2001 18:55:07 >.zorn-tremblin' g-d. =20 >While I'm liking this, I'm itching for more instrumentation in these = >tunes, its pretty sparse for my tastes. thus my favorite cuts are the >two >w/ baptista. also is this the premiere of singing zorn? just = >curious Someone mentioned the Gainsbourg tribute and Naked City (you have to listen closely to pick out his shrieking alongsode Y.Eye's). He also does a little "shoop-shoop" singing on 'The Big Gundown', track 7, can't remember the title. WY (who hasn't bought a Zorn release since late '99 ... too much other stuff to keep up with!) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Date: 19 Jul 2001 12:12:01 -0700 On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:54:19 EDT JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > <<Dachte Musik - s/t Wow, I was really disappointed by this one. After > listening to disc one, I didn't even want to bother with disc two (I did, a > couple days later). Agonizingly dull guitar work (why, Stangl, why!), and I > never want to hear another tongue in a mouthpiece. I'll give it another try > when the bitter taste has worn off a bit.>> > > yeah, this is my frontrunner for disappointing record of the year. a very > puzzling release, made even stranger when you learn that it's actually an > hour of material slowed down to half-speed. I hope this dud isn't keeping > people from buying dach. You reassure me... For a while I thought it was a Teletubies version of improv where every sound is isolated to be sure that you can understand (?) each of them without the confusing proximity of the others. The Teletubies feeling was even stronger when I realized that there was a second CD (for those who did not get the deep concept underlying the first one, I guess). You imagine a Mozart opera with such approach? It would take at least 1000 CD to reach such result... Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David John Howarth" <david@bundom.clara.co.uk> Subject: Story of Iceland Date: 19 Jul 2001 21:39:18 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1109B.43B38BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:15:58 +1000 > >Eyvind Kang: Story of Icelund > > I've been wanting to listen to this album for quite a long time but it never > made it to Spanish shops (that I Know). Is it worth the $? I was = really > disappointed by some sections of "Theater of MIneral Nades", in particular > by the Middle Ages music included. This is not the case of "Story of > Iceland", is it? I really like it. But then again I didn't mind the Medieval stuff on = 'ToMN'. It was the reggae-ish stuff near the end I couldn't stand. Anyway, brief description of 'Iceland': the album starts off with a suite of 5 pieces which keep returning to the main theme (which is a very nice, = multi-layered little theme). After that there's a song (with singing, that is) that = kind of sounds a little bit like Bowie, but the concept is to repeat the main tune, building up, adding layers, etc... And finally there is a short gamelan piece. On the whole, a very enjoyable album... ______ Gotta say that this has been one of my favourite albums in quite some = time.=20 (I've yet to get to grips with the earlier"7 Nades".) what made it for me is the track described as "a bit like Bowie" or as I = call=20 "10:10" 'The greatest song Eno never wrote'! Hey its called "10:10" its = the last track on the cd and its looped, why it wasn't on "Taking Tiger Mountain..." = I'll never know. Best Dave Howarth (Currently playing a naughty md of Acid Mothers Temple captured from the = web in=20 glorious mid-fi and bloody pleased that after all this time I worked out = how to do it!!) ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1109B.43B38BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#c8e0d8> <DIV> <SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Date:=20 Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:15:58 +1000<BR>From: "Julian" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au">jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au</A>= ><BR>Subject:=20 Re: Recent frequent plays<BR><BR>> >Eyvind Kang: Story of=20 Icelund<BR>><BR>> I've been wanting to listen to this album for = quite a=20 long time but it<BR>never<BR>> made it to Spanish shops (that I = Know). Is it=20 worth the $? I was really<BR>> disappointed by some sections of = "Theater of=20 MIneral Nades", in<BR>particular<BR>> by the Middle Ages music = included. This=20 is not the case of "Story of<BR>> Iceland", is it?<BR><BR>I really = like it.=20 But then again I didn't mind the Medieval stuff on 'ToMN'.<BR>It was the = reggae-ish stuff near the end I couldn't stand. Anyway, = brief<BR>description of=20 'Iceland': the album starts off with a suite of 5 pieces<BR>which keep = returning=20 to the main theme (which is a very nice, multi-layered<BR>little theme). = After=20 that there's a song (with singing, that is) that kind<BR>of sounds a = little bit=20 like Bowie, but the concept is to repeat the main<BR>tune, building up, = adding=20 layers, etc... And finally there is a short<BR>gamelan piece. On the = whole, a=20 very enjoyable album...</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">______</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"> =20 Gotta say that this has been one of my favourite albums in quite some = time.=20 </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">(I've=20 yet to get to grips with the earlier"7 Nades".)</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">what=20 made it for me is the track described as "a bit like Bowie" or as I call = </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">"10:10"=20 'The greatest song Eno never wrote'! Hey its called "10:10" its the last = track</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"> on=20 the cd and its looped, why it wasn't on "Taking Tiger Mountain..." I'll = never=20 know.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Best</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Dave=20 Howarth</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">(Currently=20 playing a naughty md of Acid Mothers Temple captured from the web in=20 </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; = mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">glorious=20 mid-fi and bloody pleased that after all this time I worked out how to = do=20 it!!)</SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1109B.43B38BA0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tal Goldman" <telly_o@softhome.net> Subject: Jazz in London? Date: 20 Jul 2001 00:04:07 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C110AF.7EC75B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can people recommend any venues/shows in London the week of Aug 5-9? Thanks in advance - Tal ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C110AF.7EC75B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1255"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can people recommend any venues/shows = in London=20 the</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>week of Aug 5-9?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks in advance</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- = Tal</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C110AF.7EC75B40-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tal Goldman" <telly_o@softhome.net> Subject: Jazz in London? Date: 20 Jul 2001 00:04:07 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C110AF.7EC75B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can people recommend any venues/shows in London the week of Aug 5-9? Thanks in advance - Tal ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C110AF.7EC75B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1255"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can people recommend any venues/shows = in London=20 the</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>week of Aug 5-9?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks in advance</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- = Tal</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C110AF.7EC75B40-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Fushitsusha Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:31:36 EDT In a message dated 7/19/01 8:30:05 AM, bashline@hotmail.com writes: << I assume what you're saying is that there's very little consensus on what the "best" Fushitsusha release is. Am I right? >> yes, but more specifically, that a primary reason for that is that the records tend to be so massive and indigestible that no one, with the possible exceptions of Nick Cain, Alan Cummings and David Keffer, does much head-to-head comparison of them, so a lot of opinions are largely based on the level of tolerance and interest of the listener at the time. I'm still not saying that too clearly, but hopefully you get the point. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <ecstasymule@hotmail.com> Subject: xtatica, okkyung lee, steve dalachinsky, spunk lads saturday Date: 19 Jul 2001 22:34:11 +0000 >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >STEVE DALACHINKSY, OKKYUNG LEE, XTATIKA, THE SPUNKLADS > >Saturday, July 21, 8 pm >The Brecht Forum >122 West 27th Street, 10th Floor, Manhattan >$6-10 sliding scale >212-242-4201 for info > >Neues Kabarett will host a benefit concert to raise funds for performance >facilities at The Brecht Forum's loft. > >8:00 - STEVE DALACHINSKY will read from his recently released book of >poetry, "a superintendent's eyes," and other work. > >8:15 - OKKYUNG LEE will perform a solo set. A native of Korea, Lee is a >cellist and composer who explores contemporary classical, free >improvisation, noise, Korean folk music, movies and jazz in order to create >her original voice. > >9:00 - XTATIKA will perform from their newly released debut album "Tongue >Bath" (Tzadik). Xtatika reveals the unique visions of singer/songwriter >Haena Kim that include traditional Korean samulnori beats. Featuring >hypnotic vocals, nasty electric bass (Mas Yamagata) and two driving Korean >percussionists (Kyungwook Jung and Vong Pak), this is a band that opens up >an exciting new world of sound. A magical blend of alternative rock with >Korean traditional music. > >"Xtatika will stir up the spirits tonight...A bizarre mix of Korean >percussion, dark moods and leader Haena Kim's vocals... Tongue Bath hits on >enough genuinely odd places to make it the sort of record that you can't >stop listening to...Should be intense onstageà" -- Time Out New York > >10:00 - THE SPUNK LADS are known as "the great lost punk band from '76." >The Spunk Lads gained an almost instant legendary status in London. Some >critics >consider The Spunk Lads to be the true fathers of punk, predating the early >success of fellow London punks the Damned, the Sex Pistols and the Clash >though their influence and impact upon these bands is more than just >obvious. > >"You'll hopefully never get to see Sham or the Pistols. God forbid another >"reunion" tour. On the other hand, we from the U.K. gave america another >run of the Sex Pistols and what did you give us? KISS. Did these gobshites >in clown make-up ever break up long enough to make a reunion justifiable? >They're like the clap -- just when you think it's all over, the burning & >itching fucking returns. And hopefully the Clash will resist the urge to >reunite. But The Spunk Lads, that's a different story -- you can't reunite >if you were never truly united to begin with." -- Spunk Lads communique _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Hermetic Theater Date: 19 Jul 2001 18:42:25 EDT I don't think this album is necessarily as terrible as many seem to find it, despite the truly nauseating, self-congratulatory artist bio he includes in the liners. The fact that its Zorn by himself, undiluted, is what I find most appealing about it, actually. Hermetic is certainly the apt word choice here. The use of gratuitous in this instance actually is an interesting choice for an artist who's released 15+ albums of cliche-ridden pseudo-post-Ornettish post bop. All in all, though, I think the Locus Solus comment of (paraphrasing) 'people either loved what I did or hated it' is the perfect description of his career. Honestly, this record already seems to be inspiring slightly more interesting discussion than the 'this record is awesome' type usually bestowed upon more crowd-pleasing sort. That said, I still find 'Elegy' and 'Absinthe' to be the last truly stunning Zorn works, with a number of nice-but-not-stunning things occasionally surfacing since then. I'd put Songs from the Hermetic Theater in that latter category. -Matt mitchell Hi Matt and all, I agree with you that these compositions are not exactly comparable to other existing electronic groups. IMHO, Autechre wouldn't be a good comparison. I really think that they thoroughly work their structures and sounds to the smallest detail. I'd dare to say (as I stated here when I heard "Songs from...") that this album doesn't go ANYWHERE as a whole. It seems gratuitous to me, which is an adjective I had never applied to Zorn before. I could like a record or dislike it but never regarded one of his albums as pretentious shit. When someone does something in the "press-a-button" vein, I hate him/her trying to sell the stuff to me by using an intellectual alibi. I would love to give an in-depth opinion on these compositions, but it's been impossible since I find them extremely shallow. Greetings, Efrn del VAlle n.p: David Slusser "Delight at the End of the Tunnel" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca> Subject: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 19 Jul 2001 21:48:20 -0300 Hey - a few months back somebody mentioned the two main books that the movie Ghost Dog was either based/inspired on - or that was actually featured in the movie - just wondering if someone could let me know what the names of those books were again. Also, thanks to someone's rec. on this list I bought Minutemen's - Double Nickles on the Dime - FANTASTIC Album. Just wondering if any of their other stuff compares or what anyone has to say about any of the Firehose albums. BTW - 2 cents worth for more 'harcore' stuff - I think the new Candiria is great. Mike. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 19 Jul 2001 21:12:22 EDT In a message dated 7/19/01 8:50:13 PM, mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca writes: << Also, thanks to someone's rec. on this list I bought Minutemen's - Double Nickles on the Dime - FANTASTIC Album. Just wondering if any of their other stuff compares or what anyone has to say about any of the Firehose albums. >> the only other disc they made which is on the level of Double Nickels is Post-Mersh, Volume Two, which compiles the EPs Buzz or Howl Under The Influence Of Heat and Project Mersh. from track 6 through the end of the disc is my favorite stretch of listening by this remarkable, somewhat overlooked band. D. Boon's death was a genuine musical tragedy. unfortunately, their brilliant cover of Steely Dan's Dr Wu isn't on my 1984 vintage Double Nickels CD, although according to Amazon, it's on the current version. still missing is their equally brilliant take on Van Halen's Ain't Talkin' Bout Love, which was on the original double LP. the Firehose stuff I heard at the time was so much worse, it wasn't even comparable. buy everything by the Minutemen before you start delving into the Firehose catalog. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com> Subject: Re: Mr. fela arto vandermark Date: 19 Jul 2001 20:55:52 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, mwoodwor wrote: > Finally, thanks to all who gave me input on checking Prince out in Montreal - > the show turned out to be a blast. Although he played with the audiences mind > for the first set (long improvisation/jams that sounded about 2 steps away > from elevator jazz/practically no reconizable songs/Prince not really > singing/moving, sometimes leaving the stage), the second set was a different > beast altogether - Prince even teased the chrowd and asked "who was the guy > who was out here earlier?" everyone went nuts - of course he ended with a 15 > minute version of Purple Rain! Still, I wonder how Test was that night. Glad you enjoyed it. The show apparently got some rave reviews to the point that Prince was going to release some of the gig via his online music distribution system, www.npgmusicclub.com. Unfortunately, the sound quality on the recordings wasn't up to his standards, and he nixed the idea ;( > As for other current listening - I know it's been said before, but everyone do > yourself a big favour and go out and buy 15-20 Fela Kuti albums and hunker > down in the house for a week or two. It may be some expensive shit! to buy > that many albums, but boy oh boy it is goooooooooooooood. MCA Records is rolling out Phase II of their Fela re-issue program starting this week. They will re-release 15 Fela CDs (many of them 2-for-1 albums) domestically in the US over the next month or so. This will complement the 10 2-for-1s they issued last year. This current wave of releases includes many (all?) of the Fela albums issued by Celluloid. The person who controls the Celluloid catalog (as well as the catalogs of associated labels such as Subharmonic, M.I.L. Multimedia, etc.) has a reputation for being non-artist friendly, so I encourage people to purchase the MCA versions and not any remaining copies of the older issues. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 20:03:25 -0700 > Hey - a few months back somebody mentioned the two main books that > the movie Ghost Dog was either based/inspired on - or that was actually > featured > in the movie - just wondering if someone could let me know what the names of > those books were again. > > Also, thanks to someone's rec. on this list I bought Minutemen's - > Double Nickles on the Dime - FANTASTIC Album. Just wondering if any > of their other stuff compares or what anyone has to say about any of > the Firehose albums. > > BTW - 2 cents worth for more 'harcore' stuff - I think the new > Candiria is great. > > Mike. > > > - > It might have been me shreiking for DOUBLE NICKELS. It's one I've advocated forever. Basically, everything the did up to and including that record is immortal. No punk rock group played so together. PARANOID TIME and WHAT MAKES A MAN START FIRES? both rule. skip h np: the new, unreleased leon parker disc - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 20:05:13 -0700 > > the only other disc they made which is on the level of Double Nickels is > Post-Mersh, Volume Two, which compiles the EPs Buzz or Howl Under The > Influence Of Heat and Project Mersh. from track 6 through the end of the disc > is my favorite stretch of listening by this remarkable, somewhat overlooked > band. D. Boon's death was a genuine musical tragedy. I didn't care for PROJECT MERSH. The tunes were too long and pproduced for my taste. But BUZZ is definitely the real deal. How I forgot to mention it is beyond me. "Felt Like A gringo" is just amazing (and scarily accurate). skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 19 Jul 2001 23:27:47 EDT In a message dated 7/19/01 11:03:42 PM, velaires@earthlink.net writes: << I didn't care for PROJECT MERSH. The tunes were too long and pproduced for my taste. >> that's actually what I like about them. it's interesting to hear them work in the longer three or four minute form, and they're pretty great at it. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 19 Jul 2001 20:40:06 -0700 Hagakure : The Book of the Samurai by Yamamoto Tsunetomo, William Scott Wilson (Translator) Rashomon and Other Stories by Ryunosuke Akutagawa, et al Saw firehose on a bill with Charlie Haden's Liberation Orchestra at McCabe's Guitar Shop in Santa Monica many years ago. Stunning evening of music. Can still see Haden thrashing his string bass in a set ending collaboration with firehose at full volume. Then the Liberation Orchestra with Nels Cline on acoustic guitar the evening of his wedding! Strange and wonderful evening. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 22:00:59 -0700 > > Saw firehose on a bill with Charlie Haden's Liberation Orchestra > at McCabe's Guitar Shop in Santa Monica many years ago. Stunning > evening of music. Can still see Haden thrashing his string bass in > a set ending collaboration with firehose at full volume. Then the > Liberation Orchestra with Nels Cline on acoustic guitar the > evening of his wedding! Strange and wonderful evening. > I alway thought Charlie should have collaborated somehow with George Hurley. To me, he is the Joe Chambers of punk rock drums. As for fIREHOSE, their first album, RAGIN' FULL ON, really got my blood going, but each effort sounded weaker and weaker to me. And Watt's solo albums since have left me wanting. skip heller http://www.skipheller.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Mr. fela... Date: 20 Jul 2001 05:23:43 +0000 >From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com> >The person who controls the Celluloid catalog (as well as the catalogs of >associated labels such as Subharmonic, M.I.L. Multimedia, etc.) has a >reputation for being non-artist friendly, so I encourage people to >purchase the MCA versions and not any remaining copies of the older >issues. > Especially the Laswell mixed version of Army Arrangement, which Fela was extremely unhappy with, and claimed was done without his input or consent... np: Alfredo Triff 21 Broken Melodies At Once _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 21:58:08 -0700 > > In a message dated 7/19/01 11:03:42 PM, velaires@earthlink.net writes: > > << I didn't care for PROJECT MERSH. The tunes were too long and pproduced for > my taste. >> > > that's actually what I like about them. it's interesting to hear them work in > the longer three or four minute form, and they're pretty great at it. > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > - > Didn't work for me. Didn't much care for 3 WAY TIE FOR LAST either. skip heller http://www.skipheller.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 02:52:12 -0400 (EDT) > > > Didn't work for me. Didn't much care for 3 WAY TIE FOR LAST either. > > skip heller Where do you rate Politics of Time? -- it's the only one i ever got. There's a great cut in there that sounds like someone with a mini-dictophone in his pocket at an overamplified punk show. Cant hear a thing. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "josephneff" <jneff@visuallink.com> Subject: RE: Minutemen firehose Watt Date: 20 Jul 2001 03:19:48 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01C110CA.D4CDF470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, ....to me the Minutemen were one of the great rock bands of all = time, and are directly behind the Jimi Hendrix Experience as best rock = trio period. They had this amazing ability to absorb elements of = pre-punk history (jazz, funk, Blue Oyster Cult, CCR, Steppenwolf, R. = Meltzer, etc.) and integrate those influences into their sound that was = beyond most punk bands of their era. And it's funny, most of the punks = that I grew up with in the '80's didn't like 'em, preferring stuff like = Suicidal Tendencies or DRI. But to me, "Double Nickles..." is an = extended tour through the psyche of three individuals that could play, = at times, in perfect synch.=20 ....firehose, I feel, were a take it or leave it proposition. = Certainly less successful than the Minutemen, Ed Crawford being no d. = Boon. My favorite thing by 'em was/is the "Live Totem Pole EP", which = holds a strong batch of covers, including BOC, Wire, Superchunk, and = Public Enemy.=20 ....the all star gala that was Watt's first solo release = could've been much worse. To me, the second "Contemplating the Engine = Room", is the better, for you get much more Nels Cline. ...read in some mag where Cline and Watt were being interviewed = about the Cline/Bendian "Interstellar Space" trib, and the journalist = asked who Rashied Ali was, and Watt replied...."Oh, he's a Philly guy". = I dunno, I really dug that response :>).=20 I remain.... Joseph NP: "Jazz Actuel" Disc 3 Track 5 (just ending) Alan Silva and the = Celestrial Communication Orchestra NR: Dave Eggers "A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius" (appendix) =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01C110CA.D4CDF470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2> ....to me=20 the Minutemen were one of the great rock bands of all time, and are = directly=20 behind the Jimi Hendrix Experience as best rock trio period. They had = this=20 amazing ability to absorb elements of pre-punk history (jazz, funk, Blue = Oyster=20 Cult, CCR, Steppenwolf, R. Meltzer, etc.) and integrate = those influences=20 into their sound that was beyond most punk bands of their era. And = it's=20 funny, most of the punks that I grew up with in the '80's didn't like = 'em,=20 preferring stuff like Suicidal Tendencies or DRI. But to me, "Double = Nickles..."=20 is an extended tour through the psyche of three individuals that could = play, at=20 times, in perfect synch. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2> =20 ....firehose, I feel, were a take it or leave it proposition. Certainly = less=20 successful than the Minutemen, Ed Crawford being no d. Boon. My = favorite=20 thing by 'em was/is the "Live Totem Pole EP", which holds a strong batch = of=20 covers, including BOC, Wire, Superchunk, and Public Enemy. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2> =20 ....the all star gala that was Watt's first solo release could've been = much=20 worse. To me, the second "Contemplating the Engine Room", is the = better,=20 for you get much more Nels Cline.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2> ...read = in some mag=20 where Cline and Watt were being interviewed about the Cline/Bendian = "Interstellar Space" trib, and the journalist asked who Rashied Ali was, = and=20 Watt replied...."Oh, he's a Philly guy". I dunno, I really dug that = response=20 :>). </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I remain....</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joseph</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>NP: "Jazz Actuel" Disc 3 Track 5 (just = ending) Alan=20 Silva and the Celestrial Communication Orchestra</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>NR: Dave Eggers "A Heartbreaking Work = of Staggering=20 Genius" (appendix)</FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01C110CA.D4CDF470-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 21 Jul 2001 00:07:56 -0700 > > Where do you rate Politics of Time? -- it's the only one i ever got. > There's a great cut in there that sounds like someone with a > mini-dictophone in his pocket at an overamplified punk show. Cant hear a > thing. > > konrad > > ^Z > > What's on POLITICS? I get a lot of those shorter 12" releases mixed up. sh - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ari <ari.hoste@skynet.be> Subject: Re: Zorn Completist (Hermetic theatre) Date: 20 Jul 2001 12:07:18 +0200 > Track 3 is complete bullshit... Even Merzbow would puke after that one. _I_ won't be so sure about that! > This experience has liberated me... I will now only buy the Zorn albums with > interesting musician's on them... Unless I hear them first and after doing so, > find that it's worth the $$$... Live and learn... Yes, that's exactly what Zorn said himself: caveat emptor (linernotes Locus Solus). > I suppose I was suffering from a "Zorn can do no wrong" syndrome... For the > most part anyway... Now I've seen the little man behind the curtain, like the > Wizard of Oz, and it's a good eye opener... He's only human and of course I > realize that he can like things that I detest... After all, we're all uniquely > human. If somebody thinks Zorn is some kind of a god, it's his problem not Zorn's. So what's the point? I don't understand the commotion about the songs from the hermetic theatre... Isn't it quite absurd to blame Zorn for making an album we don't like?? (I like it) Ari. np: ronruins - ketsunoana - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 08:21:01 -0700 s~Z wrote: > > Can still see Haden thrashing his string bass in > a set ending collaboration with firehose at full volume. I can remember seeing a photo of him onstage with the Minutemen back around 82 or so (in Flipside, maybe?), too ... one of my all-time "why wasn't I there" shows :-(. Didn't he play behind Nick Cave on Night Music (on "Hey Joe")? I have some such narcotic-hazed memory, anyways. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "I am no fun guy and have, perhaps you are coming to gather, a fun problem." -- Joseph Epstein np: Roxy Music, _Foolproof_ nr: J.-K. Huysmans, _Becalmed_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:43:42 -0400 Nice to see Minutemen come up here on the list. Wish I still had that picture of them jamming with Charlie Haden at a live show. Boon's solos always seemed pretty harmolodic to me. Mike Watt is still a jazz nut- it's a shame that really doesn't come out in his work nowadays. Speaking of harmolodic, anyone heard the new Joe Henry album? Dare I say that Ornette is the shining highlight of that record, esp. the coda on the title track. Definitely worthy downloading if not buying- he also appears on the opening track "Richard Pryor Addresses a Tearful Nation". He certainly makes a better collaborator that Henry's sister-in-law, Ms. Ciccone. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt krefting" <mkrefting@hotmail.com> Subject: Watt Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:58:37 -0400 man, the live shows i saw of watt doing the whole "engine room" opera were totally killer. one w/ baiza and one w/ cline. while his albums may not show it, watt is still one of the best live acts i can think of. he gives 110% a night and even when he really blows a clam during a song it's a hott watching him recover. his tour diaries which can be checked on his page (www.hootpage.com) are truly unique documents of a completely original mind. too bad he's been on tour w/ mascis in a far less inspired setting for the last year or so. i guess he'll be doing his own tour in the fall. can't wait... mk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad <konrad@panix.com> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 12:04:29 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Skip Heller wrote: > > > What's on POLITICS? I get a lot of those shorter 12" releases mixed up. > It's an LP of motley live stuff from 79-83. Maybe the cuts are all re-releases from out of print eps, i don't know. It was made in 1984, and has the wonderful "Badges" (lyrics from Treasure of the Sierra Madre). konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Joe Baiza / Re: Watt Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:32:54 -0500 Anyone know what ever happened to Joe Baiza? I thought we was a pretty great guitarist, but haven't heard anything from him in years. I'll always have love for the Minutemen, for sure. They were a great band live and most of the records are great too, maybe not from start to finish, but they've all got moments on them that keep me coming back even after all these years. At 11:58 AM 7/20/01 -0400, matt krefting wrote: >man, the live shows i saw of watt doing the whole "engine room" opera were >totally killer. one w/ baiza and one w/ cline. >while his albums may not show it, watt is still one of the best live acts i >can think of. he gives 110% a night and even when he really blows a clam >during a song it's a hott watching him recover. his tour diaries which can >be checked on his page (www.hootpage.com) are truly unique documents of a >completely original mind. too bad he's been on tour w/ mascis in a far less >inspired setting for the last year or so. i guess he'll be doing his own >tour in the fall. can't wait... > >mk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Selvig" <mmlselvig@hotmail.com> Subject: Minutemen + Haden Date: 20 Jul 2001 10:17:24 -0700 If I'm remembering some old SST mailorder catalog correctly, wasn't there a Minutemen video called "Corndogs" w/ footage of a Minutemen jam with "Ornette Coleman's rhythm section," presumably Charlie Haden and Billy Higgins? Does anyone out there have this? On a related note, there's a Flipside video with two Minutemen shows on it, I'd guess late '82 and mid-'83 or so, which I highly recommend - really great live versions of their prime material. The Minor Threat concert ain't bad, either. -selvig _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "steve spangler" <sspangl@columbus.rr.com> Subject: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 13:36:10 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C11120.F00464D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking of the Minutemen....there was supposed to be a box set of = everything--even the lost stuff. I remember it being announced a couple = of years ago, but all that I've seen is a compilation cd. Does anyone = know anything about it? It would be really nice if Rhino or Ryko bought their old catalog from = SST and re-issued all of the Minutemen/fIREHOSE stuff.=20 As far as fIREHOSE goes: I saw them live on around a dozen occassions. = Their albums never did them justice: they were a live band. That was the = nice thing about that live ep that I saw mentioned since it seemed to = capture their intensity a bit more than the studio stuff. When Columbia = picked them up, the intensity was completely lost in their studio stuff. Watt's solo stuff has left me flat also. He still has a great live = intensity, but he's not the best songwriter out there. He can really = thump on a bass though. I will say that of all of the rockers I've met in person, Watt was the = most personable. He was so nice, but just odd to speak with. He wanted = to talk about basketball and his wife Kira; I couldn't really relate. He = always seemed really humble in the presence of his fans; he seemed to = genuinely love them for coming to see him. I'm a lifelong fan! Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C11120.F00464D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of the Minutemen....there was = supposed to=20 be a box set of everything--even the lost stuff. I remember it being = announced a=20 couple of years ago, but all that I've seen is a compilation cd. Does = anyone=20 know anything about it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would be really nice if Rhino or = Ryko bought=20 their old catalog from SST and re-issued all of the Minutemen/fIREHOSE = stuff.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As far as fIREHOSE goes: I saw them = live on around=20 a dozen occassions. Their albums never did them justice: they were a = live band.=20 That was the nice thing about that live ep that I saw mentioned since it = seemed=20 to capture their intensity a bit more than the studio stuff. When = Columbia=20 picked them up, the intensity was completely lost in their studio=20 stuff.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Watt's solo stuff has left me = flat also. He=20 still has a great live intensity, but he's not the best songwriter out = there. He=20 can really thump on a bass though.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will say that of all of the rockers = I've met in=20 person, Watt was the most personable. He was so nice, but just odd to = speak=20 with. He wanted to talk about basketball and his wife Kira; I couldn't = really=20 relate. He always seemed really humble in the presence of his fans; he = seemed to=20 genuinely love them for coming to see him.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm a lifelong fan!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steve</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C11120.F00464D0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 21 Jul 2001 10:43:44 -0700 > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Skip Heller wrote: > >>> >> What's on POLITICS? I get a lot of those shorter 12" releases mixed up. >> > > It's an LP of motley live stuff from 79-83. Maybe the cuts are all > re-releases from out of print eps, i don't know. It was made in 1984, and > has the wonderful "Badges" (lyrics from Treasure of the Sierra Madre). > > > konrad > > ^Z > > > - > Oh, yeah. If I remember correctly, not the most top shelf stuff, but still pretty great. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 21 Jul 2001 10:44:56 -0700 > Nice to see Minutemen come up here on the list. Wish I still had that picture > of them jamming with Charlie Haden at a live show. Boon's solos always seemed > pretty harmolodic to me. Really? His solos are completely tonal and key-center oriented. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: nick cave on night music Date: 21 Jul 2001 10:46:10 -0700 Nick Cave, the bad lounge singer with street cred, was indeed on Night Music, backed by Charlie Haden and Toots Thielmans for a version of "Hey Joe". It was pretty awful. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saleski <marks@foliage.com> Subject: Re: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 13:42:13 -0400 >As for fIREHOSE, their first album, RAGIN' FULL ON, really got my blood >going, but each effort sounded weaker and weaker to me. And Watt's solo >albums since have left me wanting. yep, i bought Ragin' Full On and thought it was some of the coolest stuff i'd heard in a long time. kinda reminds me of the Don Caballero i just bought a while back (American Don). then i got Mr. Machinery Operator which is nothing like Ragin'. it's harder, but somehow less interesting. the Mike Watt solo stuff is far better. mark -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com "Is it so wrong, wanting to be at home with your record collection?" - Nick Hornby - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Joe Baiza / Re: Watt Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:32:54 -0500 Anyone know what ever happened to Joe Baiza? I thought we was a pretty great guitarist, but haven't heard anything from him in years. I'll always have love for the Minutemen, for sure. They were a great band live and most of the records are great too, maybe not from start to finish, but they've all got moments on them that keep me coming back even after all these years. At 11:58 AM 7/20/01 -0400, matt krefting wrote: >man, the live shows i saw of watt doing the whole "engine room" opera were >totally killer. one w/ baiza and one w/ cline. >while his albums may not show it, watt is still one of the best live acts i >can think of. he gives 110% a night and even when he really blows a clam >during a song it's a hott watching him recover. his tour diaries which can >be checked on his page (www.hootpage.com) are truly unique documents of a >completely original mind. too bad he's been on tour w/ mascis in a far less >inspired setting for the last year or so. i guess he'll be doing his own >tour in the fall. can't wait... > >mk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: nick cave on night music Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:00:26 -0700 On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:46:10 -0700 Skip Heller wrote: > > Nick Cave, the bad lounge singer with street cred, was indeed on Night ^^^^^^^^^^^ Street cred? Besides teenagers living the "wild life" by procuration, who cares about that? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: nick cave on night music Date: 20 Jul 2001 14:03:25 EDT In a message dated 7/20/01 2:01:06 PM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << Street cred? Besides teenagers living the "wild life" by procuration, who cares about that? >> not to mention, Nick Cave does not have "street cred", at least not on my street. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: nick cave on night music Date: 21 Jul 2001 11:09:08 -0700 > Street cred? Besides teenagers living the "wild life" by procuration, > who cares about that? > > Patrice. Apparently, rock crits. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hatta <hatta@spiralcage.com> Subject: Status of new Horvitz 4+1 Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:55:59 -0700 Does anyone know what the deal with the new 'Horvitz 4+1' release "From A Window" that was supposed to be out on Avant last month. One of my more anticipated releases for this year, and no info beyond "delayed" available. There doesn't seem to be an Avant website, either. -Robert -- Todays Playlist (07.20.01): Nobukazu Takemura 'Child and Magic' Nobukazu Takemura 'finale' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Status of new Horvitz 4+1 Date: 20 Jul 2001 12:23:42 -0700 On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:55:59 -0700 hatta wrote: > > Does anyone know what the deal with the new 'Horvitz 4+1' release > "From A Window" that was supposed to be out on Avant last month. One > of my more anticipated releases for this year, and no info beyond > "delayed" available. There doesn't seem to be an Avant website, > either. DMG mentioned the delay on 06/15/01: "DELAYS DELAYS DELAYS AND A FEW NEAR FUTURE RELEASES: WAYNE HORVITZ' 'From A Window' on Avant has been delayed for at least a month - Wayne told me that this cd is the best thing he has ever done, so we can hardly wait! Wayne' band Zony Mash is currently recording their first live cd and Wayne's partner Robin Holcomb is finishing up her new cd for Nonesuch - yes it is a vocal effort and she is backed by Zony Mash with special guests Bill Frisell & Doug Weiselman!!" Which means no reason to panic until the end of the month :-). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: nick cave on night music Date: 20 Jul 2001 12:29:28 -0700 On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:03:25 EDT JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > << Street cred? Besides teenagers living the "wild life" by procuration, > who cares about that? >> > > not to mention, Nick Cave does not have "street cred", at least not on my > street. More important: does he have "shelve credibility" in your record collection? On another topic, did anybody buy the M.E.V. on Alga Marghen? If yes, any opinions. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hatta <hatta@spiralcage.com> Subject: Re: Status of new Horvitz 4+1 Date: 20 Jul 2001 13:33:27 -0700 Yeah I had seen that as well, but I guess it just felt like a much longer time ;) I'll give em a few more weeks. The lack of available Avant Info on the Web is what I guess really go to me. -Robert >DMG mentioned the delay on 06/15/01: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "DELAYS DELAYS DELAYS AND A FEW NEAR FUTURE RELEASES: > > WAYNE HORVITZ' 'From A Window' on Avant has been delayed for at least > a month - Wayne told me that this cd is the best thing he has ever > done, so we can hardly wait! Wayne' band Zony Mash is currently > recording their first live cd and Wayne's partner Robin Holcomb is > finishing up her new cd for Nonesuch - yes it is a vocal effort and > she is backed by Zony Mash with special guests Bill Frisell & Doug > Weiselman!!" >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Which means no reason to panic until the end of the month :-). > > Patrice. -- "Children, who play life, discern its true law and relations more clearly than men, who fail to live it worthily, but who think that they are wiser by experience, that is, by failure." -Henry David Thoreau, 'Walden' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: nick cave on night music Date: 21 Jul 2001 13:36:48 -0700 > More important: does he have "shelve credibility" in your record collection? None whatsover. He's filed right next to the Velvet Underground in my "things critics lie about" section. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Status of new Horvitz 4+1 Date: 20 Jul 2001 13:37:34 -0700 On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:33:27 -0700 hatta wrote: > > Yeah I had seen that as well, but I guess it just felt like a much > longer time ;) I'll give em a few more weeks. The lack of available > Avant Info on the Web is what I guess really go to me. Who needs a web site in a field without competition :-). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: nick cave on night music Date: 20 Jul 2001 13:45:18 -0700 On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:36:48 -0700 Skip Heller wrote: > > > More important: does he have "shelve credibility" in your record collection? > > None whatsover. He's filed right next to the Velvet Underground in my > "things critics lie about" section. Can you give us some example of artists on whom critics don't lie? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com> Subject: Listening pyre redux (was re: Nick Cave) Date: 20 Jul 2001 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) > > ....teenagers living the "wild > life" by procuration.... Just say "no" to museums. Currently/recently in rotation: B. Parmegiani: DE NATURA SONORUM (startling and tactile electro-acoustic work reveling in its own luxurious timbrobatic density; I owe at least a few prople thanks for name checking this repeatedly until I was compelled to purchase) Zammuto: SOLUTIORE OF STAREAU - DISC ONE A really pleasing long album of glitchy ambient sound, unfolding like a meditation. I find it more interesting than a lot of "clicks and cuts" electronic music; it might have to do with the concrete textures and the sense of constant shifting: from the opening silence, there's the persistence of tape hiss, a kind of whispering, popping husk, congealing at times into almost-rhythms that fade away, or break into other combinations. Throbbing drones and harmonics flow over this arrangement, broken apart by the editing process, so there's this kind of reflexive sense of the recording process; but more important, one's attention is jerked back to the thousand varieties that the static takes. And _static_ this record is, though the pleasures are in the micro-events. Beautiful, gentle, and recommended. (I might also add that aside from being a completely different experience, DISC ONE is more interesting to me than was the third disc of the trilogy, released last year by Apartment B; that other disc made prominent use of massively-edited PVC-pipe percussion [I think] to apply the strategies of DISC ONE to something more drumn'bass-like. YMMV.) James Coleman: ZUIHUITSU (Sedimental) I know I just sic'd the title, and I have nothing substantial to add to the aforementioned list encomia, but it seems like interesting and regionally-distinct work is coming from Boston environs, at least in direction of quiet-like improv. Fragile, mysterious, and, well, rather acousmatic. (As I understand that word.) Also, without comment, but all enjoyed quite a bit: XHOL Caravan: MOTHERUCKERS GMBH (anyone heard the recently issued live box set on United Durtro? how is it?) Volcano the Bear: live CDRs on Beta-Lactam Ring Acid Mothers Temple: ABSOLUTE FREAK OUT (is this their best? I think I prefer it to LA NOVIA and the recent NEW GEOCENTRIC WORLD, both of which are way psyche, and fun.) Best to all, happy to see list back in swing, -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: RE: minutemen's ghost dog Date: 20 Jul 2001 18:16:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C11148.1B1BAA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fIREHOSE was indeed a great live band, but ultimately its greatest significance was in getting Watt to play again after the tragic loss of Boon. Saw them on the 'Ragin', Full On' tour, opening for Sonic Youth and the Butthole Surfers in San Antonio. Those were the days... Watt's solo stuff is a bit hit and miss (though who wouldn't love "Piss Bottle Man"?), but the live shows for 'Engine Room' were indeed tremendous, especially with Nels. Anyone heard the new band Watt's sharing with J. Mascis? I always thought Watt and Hurley would have been an incredible rhythm section for Ornette. They were so tight and so multi-directional all at once. I guess the Boodlers disc with Elliott Sharp is as close as they'll ever get, which isn't very close, actually. I do miss the Watt/Hurley rhythm monster. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Ingram Marshall, 'In My Beginning Is My End' (New Albion) P.S. Haven't heard the Stangl set that folks was dissin', but pace Jon, my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and backgrounds. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C11148.1B1BAA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D300103821-20072001>fIREHOSE was indeed a great live band, but = ultimately=20 its greatest significance was in getting Watt to play again after the = tragic=20 loss of Boon. Saw them on the 'Ragin', Full On' tour, opening for = Sonic=20 Youth and the Butthole Surfers in San Antonio. Those were the=20 days...</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D300103821-20072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D300103821-20072001>Watt's=20 solo stuff is a bit hit and miss (though who wouldn't love "Piss Bottle = Man"?),=20 but the live shows for 'Engine Room' were indeed tremendous, especially = with=20 Nels. Anyone heard the new band Watt's sharing with J.=20 Mascis?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D300103821-20072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D300103821-20072001>I=20 always thought Watt and Hurley would have been an incredible rhythm = section for=20 Ornette. They were so tight and so multi-directional all at = once. I=20 guess the Boodlers disc with Elliott Sharp is as close as they'll ever = get,=20 which isn't very close, actually. I do miss the Watt/Hurley rhythm = monster.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D300103821-20072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D300103821-20072001>Steve=20 Smith</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D300103821-20072001><A=20 href=3D"mailto:ssmith36@sprynet.com">ssmith36@sprynet.com</A></SPAN></FON= T></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D300103821-20072001>NP -=20 Ingram Marshall, 'In My Beginning Is My End' (New = Albion)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D300103821-20072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D300103821-20072001>P.S. Haven't heard the Stangl set that = folks was=20 dissin', but pace Jon, my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of = the=20 year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid = out=20 what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and=20 backgrounds.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C11148.1B1BAA80-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump <william@steno.com> Subject: G. Hurley Date: 20 Jul 2001 15:34:08 -0700 Steve Smith wrote: > I always thought Watt and Hurley would have been an incredible rhythm > section for Ornette. They were so tight and so multi-directional all > at once. I guess the Boodlers disc with Elliott Sharp is as close as > they'll ever get, which isn't very close, actually. I do miss the > Watt/Hurley rhythm monster. Does anyone know what George Hurley's been up to since fIREHOSE? Of all the instrumental performances on all the records I've ever heard, his drumming on Double Nickels on the Dime may be my favorite. Totally grabs me by the chakras. William Crump PS - Sorry, Steve, meant to send that one to the list as a whole. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: nick cave on night music Date: 21 Jul 2001 15:38:25 -0700 > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:36:48 -0700 Skip Heller wrote: >> >>> More important: does he have "shelve credibility" in your record collection? >> >> None whatsover. He's filed right next to the Velvet Underground in my >> "things critics lie about" section. > > Can you give us some example of artists on whom critics don't lie? > > Patrice. > > - > Certainly: Zorn really got the critical props for doing something amazing during the SPILLANE period, and rightfully so. Dave Douglas has certainly been steadily on the recieving end of great press for quite some time, and he's certainly worthy. Cecil Taylor, Don Cherry, and Curtis Mayfield, even when their latest release didn't hit home. They still got the respect. Glenn Gould, Joey Baron, Wayne Kramer, and Joe Henderson -- there's no better way to make your point than to play technically spotless music with so much blood in the performance. Amazingly, this has not happened without critical recognition. Caetano Veloso, Dave Alvin, Merle Haggard -- Songs still mean something. In the critical lie category -- and I'm sure this will arouse great anger among some-- the Velvet Underground, Iggy, Big Star, Jane's Addiction, NIN, Ornette Coleman, Albert Ayler, any Tom Waits album after RAIN DOGS, and about 60% of what I've seen in NO DEPRESSION. And, on the opposite side, how many great records does one have to make before he gets "important" status? Where are the major props for Pere Ubu, Hank Jones, Mandrill, the Contortions, Blue Mitchell, Mark Feldman, Johnny "Guitar" Watson, and a great many other people who have time and again made music that is as fulfilling as any we'll ever hear? They don't get the same kind of "cred" in the groovy magazines where they tell you who got citizenship in THE WORLD OF HOT. Obviously, there are critics out there who really do beat the bushes for the stuff they believe in, but, in the bigger magazines (where advertisers wind up dictating editorial content more often than anyone cares to admit), it takes a major ad campaign and a really bitchen publicist to generate feature articles on guys like Joe Henderson and Charlie Haden, who -- shock of shocks -- got scant notice in the national press before Verve signed them. Zorn pointed out that he got little critical respect until he signed to a major, and he's right. Unless you're on the "right" label, with the "right" publicist, getting you the "right kind of press", kiss your f*****g cred goodbye. skip h np: Bar Kokhba - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: G. Hurley Date: 21 Jul 2001 15:41:19 -0700 > > Steve Smith wrote: > >> I always thought Watt and Hurley would have been an incredible rhythm >> section for Ornette. They were so tight and so multi-directional all >> at once. I guess the Boodlers disc with Elliott Sharp is as close as >> they'll ever get, which isn't very close, actually. I do miss the >> Watt/Hurley rhythm monster. > > Does anyone know what George Hurley's been up to since fIREHOSE? Of > all the instrumental performances on all the records I've ever heard, > his drumming on Double Nickels on the Dime may be my favorite. Totally > grabs me by the chakras. > > William Crump > > PS - Sorry, Steve, meant to send that one to the list as a whole. > > > - > In 1995, he, Tom Troccoli, and Dez Cadena mounted a band called Vida, who put out one fairly good disc. He's since been playing with Mayo Thompson's reformed Red Crayola. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 20 Jul 2001 19:54:16 -0400 MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: Dogspinning. Date: 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST) MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote: >my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the >year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid >out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and >backgrounds. Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of this one. In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime, so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet: - Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this album!); - Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?); - Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has been stuck in my head for days); - v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop covers!); - Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed so far); - Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty); - Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...); - Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...); - Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around the block to work with this guy is beyond me); - Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic, but also playful at times); - John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon filing chores quite nicely); - Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder); - Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture) Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to this thread almost a week after it got started. Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album. -me - - - -