I just thought I should tell everyone there is a new list that deals with
Zorn, as well as many other modern composers, filmmakers, and artists.
the address is http://www.egroups.com/group/infinite_empathy.
here's the blurb :
French New Wave, N Sync, Bernhard Gunter, Paul McCartney, the film "Vision
Quest" and other 80's teen exploitation, Jim O'Rourke, Spike Lee, Merzbow,
Christina Aguilera, John Zorn, Brad Pitt + Jennifer Aniston, Fennesz,
advancement of technology, madonna, Luc Ferrari, Morton Feldman, Adam
Sandler, JohnCage, "Minimalism"/"Postmodernism", Dada...on and on. I don't
understand what happened. Criticism provides views on art, the historical
contexts. Can art only be as good as its criticism? HAVE YOU READ SPIN
MAGAZINE OR ROLLING STONE OR THE WIRE? Are those reviews? Do you come away
with anything from reading them? It seems like a chance to drop names and use
bland adjectives to me. I don't know. This list is an attempt to gain a
better understanding of why things are what they are, and what the problems
are with that.
from,
matt
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hi,
<BR>I just thought I should tell everyone there is a new list that deals with <BR>Zorn, as well as many other modern composers, filmmakers, and artists.
<BR>the address is http://www.egroups.com/group/infinite_empathy.
<BR>here's the blurb :
<BR>
<BR>French New Wave, N Sync, Bernhard Gunter, Paul McCartney, the film "Vision <BR>Quest" and other 80's teen exploitation, Jim O'Rourke, Spike Lee, Merzbow, <BR>Christina Aguilera, John Zorn, Brad Pitt + Jennifer Aniston, Fennesz, <BR>advancement of technology, madonna, Luc Ferrari, Morton Feldman, Adam <BR>Sandler, JohnCage, "Minimalism"/"Postmodernism", Dada...on and on. I don't <BR>understand what happened. Criticism provides views on art, the historical <BR>contexts. Can art only be as good as its criticism? HAVE YOU READ SPIN <BR>MAGAZINE OR ROLLING STONE OR THE WIRE? Are those reviews? Do you come away <BR>with anything from reading them? It seems like a chance to drop names and use <BR>bland adjectives to me. I don't know. This list is an attempt to gain a <BR>better understanding of why things are what they are, and what the problems <BR>are with that.
In a message dated 1/2/01 4:34:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
>
> >Don't miss:
>
> >_My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts_ with David Byrne
> >_Remain In Light_ with Talking Heads
> >_Heroes_ with David Bowie
>
> Don't forget "Low" or "Lodger"...
>
> ben
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 1/2/01 4:34:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
<< ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have
>PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase. i would
>type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger.
>anyone agree? disagree? >>
>it's weird that you would say that....ON THE DAY THAT I GOT IT! aaahhhhh!!
>charlie
>- -
Ok, this is one of the best pop records EVER, definitely in the realm of most
things the Beatles did. it is lush, beautiful, masterfully orchestrated...
does anyone know if Brian Wilson had any formal learning of orchestration?
the man is a genius...
and hello charlie, i found a little brown envelope...i'll send your disc soon.
on to another subject:
does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early
jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the
most brilliant 80's records), rapeman....
steve albini is a pretty intense character.
just stuff i've been listening to...
ben o.
NP- They Might Be Giants.....excellent!!
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2><< ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have
<BR>>PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase. i would
<BR>>type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger.
<BR>>anyone agree? disagree? >>
<BR>
<BR>>it's weird that you would say that....ON THE DAY THAT I GOT IT! aaahhhhh!!
<BR>
<BR>>charlie
<BR>
<BR>>- -
<BR>
<BR>Ok, this is one of the best pop records EVER, definitely in the realm of most <BR>things the Beatles did. it is lush, beautiful, masterfully orchestrated...
<BR>does anyone know if Brian Wilson had any formal learning of orchestration?
<BR>the man is a genius...
<BR>
<BR>and hello charlie, i found a little brown envelope...i'll send your disc soon.
<BR>
<BR>on to another subject:
<BR>does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early <BR>jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the <BR>most brilliant 80's records), rapeman....
<BR>steve albini is a pretty intense character.
<BR>
<BR>just stuff i've been listening to...
<BR>
<BR>ben o.
<BR>
<BR>NP- They Might Be Giants.....excellent!!</FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 1/4/01 3:43:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, shkin@shkin.com
writes:
> Various "In His Own Sweet Way - a tribute to Dave Brubeck" (Avant)
> (seems like album from Great Jewish Music series on Tzadik which was
> released on Avant for some unknown reason, it includes the best of
> downtowners circa 1999 from Caine, Coleman, Krakauer and Friedlander
> to Frisel, Sex Mob, MMW and Pachora)
>
> I have this but haven't listened to it yet. However, I just finished
> reading a Brubeck biography, and could fine no mention at all of his being
> Jewish. I had been under the impression also that this disc was from the
> Great Jewish Music series - anyone know with more certainty?
>
>
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Various "In His Own Sweet Way - a tribute to Dave Brubeck" (Avant)
<BR>(seems like album from Great Jewish Music series on Tzadik which was
<BR>released on Avant for some unknown reason, it includes the best of
<BR>downtowners circa 1999 from Caine, Coleman, Krakauer and Friedlander
<BR>to Frisel, Sex Mob, MMW and Pachora)
<BR>
<BR>I have this but haven't listened to it yet. However, I just finished <BR>reading a Brubeck biography, and could fine no mention at all of his being <BR>Jewish. I had been under the impression also that this disc was from the <BR>Great Jewish Music series - anyone know with more certainty?
<BR>
<BR>Dale.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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In a message dated 1/7/01 6:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mpathos@hotmail.com writes:
> I often wonder if a lot of what's happened in the new
> music since 1975-1980 can really be contextualized within a jazz framework.
>
I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, virtually
nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975.
Dale.
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I often wonder if a lot of what's happened in the new
<BR>music since 1975-1980 can really be contextualized within a jazz framework.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#8080c0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, virtually <BR>nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975.
Subject: Re: (no zorn content) Woelfli and Cronenburg
Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:59:40 -0500
>Necropolis, Amphibians and Insects (music composed by Adolphe >Woelfli but possibly performed by SPK, I *am* a bit confused on
If I remember right this album is more a tribute to Woelfli than actual compositions of his (using "composition" quite loosely). It was by Graeme Revell not credited directly to SPK.
Subject: The fall in two pieces(was supposed to be Re:The fall [Re:Bobby
Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:34:36 -0800
Well,
since someone mentioned The Fall,I'd like to say that Billy Gould(from FNM and Brujeria) at some point in time played with Jon Hudson in some place that I don't recall now....anyway,their set was entirely consisted of the music from this band...just thought some of you'd like to know.However,I dunno where do I find this show,maybe someone from the CV mailing list knows.
Falls,
Castro Sinatra
http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :)
What has been the newest contribution from Zorn/Studio Album material? It seems, after reading this list continually, that he is in concert very often which would be exciting if I lived in NYC.
If you're talking about influence on other artists then I'm afraid the list should be a little less interesting especially in the Blues category. I would say that Eric Clapton & Stevie Ray Vaughn are much more influential than B.B. King or Ray Charles. It's sad but true.
Also, for Classical musicians in the past 50 years, John Williams seems more influential to me than Cage. I like Cage more, but his music isn't played at local high-school basketball games.
Subject: Re: Armstrong box, misc bad packaging (Winter&Winter)
Date: 17 Jan 2001 10:29:11 EST
I've e-mailed Winter&Winter about their packaging, which is very pretty but functionally as bad as any I have ever seen. I automatically transfer the CD to a jewel case when I get one of their albums, and even so, half the time the disc ends up scratched or scuffed from the one single time I remove it from their packaging. It's a joke that they show so much care for the aesthetic aspects of the packaging and are completely clueless as to functionality. Usually I don't care about stupid packaging, but when it damages the CD, it is infuriating.
>FINALLY there was a Joe Morris Trio Album that I'd never heard of, >on a label I'd never heard of (self-released I'm assuming).
Riti was his own label. There were two trio LPs and one CD on Riti. The CD is wonderful, haven't heard the LPs. (And on a synchronicity note I'm listening to Racket Club which is a great, head-on album that reminds me of Ulmer in his more rock moments.)
In a message dated 01/22/2001 4:38:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Acousticlv@aol.com writes:
> Are you talking about the 5 CD box titled "Art Ensemble 1976-1969" or
>
Where can I aquire this? Sounds interesting!
M.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 01/22/2001 4:38:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<BR>Acousticlv@aol.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Are you talking about the 5 CD box titled "Art Ensemble 1976-1969" or
from Napster... Does anyone know the other members of
this band?
=====
-That which is Theo"My philosophy, in essense, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." --Ayn Rand
I've started work on a website for Susie. It'll have the complete interview in the Asian Arts magazine, as well as info about touring, her bio, her trio, etc. The address is susieibarra.com, and it should be up by Monday.
I haven't watched the videos, but I know there's a Criterion Collection dvd with all 6 episodes and a bunch of extras--per usual to the criterion collection. I think it's $30.00. I've been looking for it for a couple of months and haven't found it so you may have to order it if you're interested.
>anyway...does anyone know where he could find a copy of "the >Saragossa Manuscript"-1965 (Polish title: Rekopis Znaleziony W. >Saragossie) on video?
Facets has it for sale or rental. Has' "The Doll"--another adaptation of a classic book--is also amazing and with a great score by Wojciech Karil; the closest film I've ever seen to Balzac.
> Tom Waits episode is great fun, but for my money out of the four I've seen =
> the Willem Dafoe episode is tops! Too bad both of these aren't on the =
> same tape. =20
I rented FwJ on DVD a couple of months ago, and yes, these are the episodes that are the best, by far, though the Dennis Hopper episode is also quite amusing. The disc presents all 6 order, I think I found the first one (Jim Jarmusch) interesting because I had no idea what to expect, then the 3 mentioned above were all good, and the other 2 so so. But for anyone wanting to buy it, this would be the way to do it. I saw it for sale recently for about $50 Cdn (35 US).
Someone mentioned that they thought that the DVD of these has extra material -- I don't think there was much beyond a Lounge Lizards video.
Dan
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In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:34:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net> writes:
> Still on-list, Davey?
Your vill iss strong, Van Helsin...
> By the way, wile *I'M* unthinkingly
> blurting-- I'm driving my wifey and
> myself 478 miles to NYC on Tuesday
> the 20th of Feb for MARILYN at Tonic,
> since I've never seen her perform,
>(driving back the following morning)
> and I would really dig it if any of
> you New Yawkas would introduce
> yourselves to me that night.
> Slap me around, buy me a cup o'
> coffee, whatever pleases you...
I'm putting Rick and Sandy up in my live-in record and book storage bin in Windsor Terrace, a mere two blocks from the Jazz Center Of The World - I mean the Connecticut Muffin in Bartel Pritchard Square (aka Bartel Pritchard Circle), natch. In case anybody wants to come around and unthinkingly blurt with Ricky there too.
> any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well,
> fits in with the kind of thing we discuss here?
> Y'know, improv, maybe live electronics, someone
> stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm
> probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions
> would be great.
Dutch trombone player Wolter Wierbos has a great solo trombone disc on ICP called X-Calibur (subtitle something about trombone technique). It would be my first recommendation. Available through verge, cadence, maybe elsewhere. Wierbos has played with ICP Orcherstra and was in Gerry Hemingway's band for years.
Paul Rutherford is also a good choice; Discreet Harm of the Bourgouisie (Emanem) is solo and wonderful, but he plays on tons of good records.
Gunter Christmann -- also plays cello, and is one of my favorite trombone players. If you can still get it, his duet with Mats Gustafsson, one of those Okka limited editions, is great. One of the few alubms to ever scare me -- some of the transitions from extremely quiet to extremely loud are so jarring I'm still not used to them.
Dan
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In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 3:47:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, JonAbbey2@aol.com writes:
I don't think anyone has yet mentioned Radu Malfatti, who's gone from being a
member of the Brotherhood Of Breath and the LJCO, just to mention two among
dozens of superb groups, to the new superspare style he's pioneered over the
last seven or eight years.
>>
He's also on that utterly fantastic Louis Moholo Octet LP _Spirits Rejoice_ . Damn it all, why won't that album get a CD reissue? An LP transcript? Anything!?!?
Ooops- got him mixed up with another tboneist I guess- maybe it was Malfetti I was thinking about. Anyway, I remember reading about it on the Web sometime last year. Many apologies...:(
=dg=
====================
In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 5:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> writes:
<< Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
> As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP)
Say WHAT? Did I somehow miss word of Rudd's passing since I saw him in
September and he was quoted in the New York Times on the subject of "Ken
Burns Jazz" about three weeks ago? (I'm not slapping you, I'm perfectly
Conrad has some great moments on Baby Sommers' _7 Hit Pieces_ on the Enemy label. I don't think this one has been re-issued either...but with my track record so far tonight, I'm probably wrong there too.
=dg=
In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 9:15:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brennansf@aol.com writes:
<< Check out the duo CD Johannes and Conrad BAuer, brothers who both play
trombone. It's just the two of them recorded in the Volkershclachtdenkmal
(hope I got that right) in Leipzig, a structure with an echo that lasts seven
or eight seconds or more. It's just the two of them and it's a pretty
incredible document. There's a solo piece by Conrad that invariably stops me
in my tracks every time, no matter what I'm doing.
In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com
writes:
> I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing
> friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there
> any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the
> kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live
> electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm
> probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great.
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Maurice Rickard
> http://mauricerickard.com/
>
>
I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were
left out. Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter
Christman. Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers? I have
a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz on Nine Winds
("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet). That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful
playing. I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on
it. Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine
Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years
back. Cheers,
John Threadgould
np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers 4tet
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com
<BR>writes:
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing
<BR>friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there
<BR>any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the
<BR>kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live
<BR>electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm
<BR>probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great.
<BR>
<BR>Thanks!
<BR>--
<BR>Maurice Rickard
<BR>http://mauricerickard.com/
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were
<BR>left out. Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter
<BR>Christman. Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers? I have
<BR>a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz on Nine Winds
<BR>("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet). That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful
<BR>playing. I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on
<BR>it. Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine
<BR>Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years
>>> A lot of you dig Tom Waits. On Mule Variations there's this great
> spoken
> song about a man building something. Can anyone clear up this mystery for me
> ?
>
> What's he building in there? We have a right to know !
>
> Greetings,
>
> Rob@llaert.NU
>
> np: TW - What's he building in there<<
>
That's a great disturbing tune with most of the band making eerie
noises in the background. He performed that on VH1's Storyteller series
which I was fortunate enough to tape. Maybe they'll show it again. Cheers,
John Threadgould
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<BR>spoken
<BR>song about a man building something. Can anyone clear up this mystery for me
<BR>?
<BR>
<BR>What's he building in there? We have a right to know !
Anyone have any Patty Waters recs, ideas on where to find the albums besides Ebay, thoughts? Im not having much luck finding information about her right now, and any suggestions would be appreiated.
>ancient music and rarities. However, it's about to be killed. The >classical content MAY be revived as a quarterly stand-alone
Their classical content has been shrinking since the days when it actually was a separate magazine (& probably not coincidentally was at its editorial peak). I'm only in Tower a couple of times a year but in my town at least the classical section keeps shrinking.
The great Anthony Braxton quartet, with Crispell, Dresser, and Hemmingway - OK, can't count it if we're only including active quartets, but it has to go on any modern avant list... (Also a great trio without Braxton that still makes occasional appearances.)
Franz Koglmann's Monoblue Quartet, with Tony Coe, Burkhard Stangl, and Peter Herbert.
Sylvie Courvoiser Quartet, with Eric Friedlander, Coung Vu, and Mike Sarin.
David S Ware Quartet - albeit weaker now without Susie Ibarra.
Old and New Dreams - another defunct modern avant classic, but certainly a must-hear for Masada lovers.
Los Straitjackets (oops! - wandered in from the surf thread ;-) )
In a message dated Tue, 30 Jan 2001 1:29:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Rob, the Belgian Guy" <Rob@llaert.NU> writes:
> Sylvie Courvoiser Quartet, with Eric Friedlander,
> Cuong Vu, and Mike Sarin.
>
> What did they do ?
Nothing on any official release to date. Sorry, I wasn't thinking about that when I listed them. Sylvie periodically brings this lineup into Tonic, and also toured Europe (Amsterdam, Lausanne, Eindhoven, etc.) with the quartet last November. Hopefully she'll bring this group into a studio at some point. They really oughta be heard.