<DIV>Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:20:56 -0800<BR>From: "Toby Dodds" <<A target=_top href="http://lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?curmbox=F000000001&a=29623e1ba11b8f2b6340542ddf0a726b&mailto=1&to=toby@dodds.org&msg=MSG1017345251.68&start=501208&len=22809&src=&type=x"><FONT color=#000099>toby@dodds.org</FONT></A>><BR>Subject: Re: Zony Mash returns<BR><BR>- ----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Arthur Gadney" <<A target=_top href="http://lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?curmbox=F000000001&a=29623e1ba11b8f2b6340542ddf0a726b&mailto=1&to=a_gadney@hotmail.com&msg=MSG1017345251.68&start=501208&len=22809&src=&type=x"><FONT color=#000099>a_gadney@hotmail.com</FONT></A>><BR>To: <<A target=_top href="http://lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?curmbox=F000000001&a=29623e1ba11b8f2b6340542ddf0a726b&mailto=1&to=toby@dodds.org&msg=MSG1017345251.68&start=501208&len=22809&src=&type=x"><FONT color=#000099>toby@dodds.org</FONT></A>>; <<A target=_top href="http://lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?curmbox=F000000001&a=29623e1ba11b8f2b6340542ddf0a726b&mailto=1&to=zorn-list@lists.xmission.com&msg=MSG1017345251.68&start=501208&len=22809&src=&type=x"><FONT color=#000099>zorn-list@lists.xmission.com</FONT></A>><BR>Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 2:37 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Zony Mash returns<BR><BR>> Yes, what about Wayne Horvitz. What's he up to? He was always my least<BR>> favorite Naked City member. Has he done any good stuff since? I like 4+1<BR>> alot, but Zony Mash is horrible.<BR><BR><BR>I'm too exhausted from seeing yet another fantastic Zony Mash concert last<BR>night to comment.<BR><BR>"You're either with us or against us." :-T<BR></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href='http://g.msn.com/1HM305401/13'>http://explorer.msn.com</a>.<br></html>
>As for songwriters who place less emphasis on direct communication, Terry
>Allen leaps to mind (and is fantastic if you haven't checked him out)
I second this recommendation- Allen is indeed a great songwriter. (sorry,
not very Zorn-ish content here). I would question that he's not direct
though. What makes his work so powerful is that it's so damn un-subtle:
compare that with his Lubbock buddies like Jimmie Dale Gilmore and Butch
Hancock who do very powerful work indeed by focusing more on spiritual
matters than on 'human' detail.
Best,
Jason
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:44:17 -0600
From: William Crump <crumpw@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: music defined (indeterminacy)
The only Who show I ever saw was with Kenn(e)y Jones, so yeah, Dylan
stands up pretty well against them..
Wm.C
s~Z wrote:
>>>>Yeah, erm, this doesn't ring true for me either. I saw Dylan's
>>>>
>show in
>Tupelo a week before the Grammies and I felt he was as mindful of
>the
>audience as any concert performer I've ever seen before, even
>though he
>never spoke a word to the audience between songs.<<<
>
>But compared to The Who?
>
>Just asking.
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:58:13 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu>
Subject: RE: why is music needed?
I've always found that music helps me transcend my current time and
place and for a short while I'm in a place of euphoria that is rarely
found in other pursuits (at least for me). The feeling of having a
group of musicians (either when you are a part of it or observing it)
completely gel, even if it is for song or a part of song, is one of the
purest forms of communion between people. It is definitely spiritual in
nature and you come from it with greater understanding about yourself
and the world in general. Music to me is often like meditation, there
is an altered state that you go into when you are experiencing truly
great music that speaks to you. I've experienced this both as a player
and as a listener. It is truly amazing.
On the other hand, I like music because it has a good beat and you can
dance to it...
Zach
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:15:21 EST
From: User384726@aol.com
Subject: Re: why is music needed?
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Hello all.
This isn't as much the answer as an observation but here it goes. Music has
been around since the dawn of civilization and has played a role regardless
of religion, sex, sexual orientation, crete, culture, etc... It has crossed
every boundry possible (and some that were thought to be impossible). It can
cause any kind of emotional reaction or none at all. It can be calming or
naseuiating. Yet it doesn't perform either of the to basic needs that a
species require (survival and procreation). (I know that musicians and
singers, just kidding, use music as a means to an end for survival and use
you're imagination for the latter but as a whole it is not need). Also
Reeves Gabriels has made the argument that sound is vibrations and one's body
is filled with viberating atoms. Cage may agree that we are music? And the
rest of the animal kingdom can also be music (listen to the complex phrasing
of whales or various birds perform Messian licks or a goose sound like
Anthony Braxton's For Alto). And if rhythm is an integral part of music
(time art) then motion and time in and of themselves are music. I can't
honestly think of a way to not have music (except in death pending on what
one's beliefs are).
Peace to All and happy holidays
Aaron Solomon
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>Hello all.
<BR>This isn't as much the answer as an observation but here it goes. Music has been around since the dawn of civilization and has played a role regardless of religion, sex, sexual orientation, crete, culture, etc... It has crossed every boundry possible (and some that were thought to be impossible). It can cause any kind of emotional reaction or none at all. It can be calming or naseuiating. Yet it doesn't perform either of the to basic needs that a species require (survival and procreation). (I know that musicians and singers, just kidding, use music as a means to an end for survival and use you're imagination for the latter but as a whole it is not need). Also Reeves Gabriels has made the argument that sound is vibrations and one's body is filled with viberating atoms. Cage may agree that we are music? And the rest of the animal kingdom can also be music (listen to the complex phrasing of whales or various birds perform Messian licks or a goose sound like Anthony Braxton's For Alto). And if rhythm is an integral part of music (time art) then motion and time in and of themselves are music. I can't honestly think of a way to not have music (except in death pending on what one's beliefs are).
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<BR>Peace to All and happy holidays
<BR>Aaron Solomon </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:23:59 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: why is music needed?
because people need a way to blow off the steam and shake off the cobwebs.
On a common sense level, music is likely counter-productive. It distracts
you from other stuff, like making money (unless you get paid to listen to
music), and tending to your chores.
On the other hand, if all we had was work and chores, we'd all go postal.
You need music and the other forms of similar creative entertainment to keep
you sane.
Of course, you might likely require different musics for different
occasions. If you're trying to get over with a young lady, Teddy
Pendergrass might be more conducive than, say, Tim Berne (unless you're
really lucky). If you're trying to dream, something else entirely is in
order (Debussy is a good one). Maybe you're trying to find out what people
in other parts of the world are up to, be it Compton or Korea. Or maybe
you're just bored and/or lonely and need something with which you can
identify (and wasn't punk rock all about that?). Music provides all these
services and then some. It can fire up your brain or help it to shut down
for a while.
No one set answer, except to say that time is like a wall -- if you don't
decorate it with something, it's drab and is maddening to concentrate on,
and human beings don't function their best in drab conditions.
skip h
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:20:20 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: music defined (indeterminacy)
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 02:42:16PM -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:07:36 -0600 Joseph Zitt wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 12:12:33PM -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> >
> > > An another silly example, you can buy a video tape of a log burning in a
> > > fireplace. I don't call that a movie.
> >
> > What would it take to make it a movie? At least one change of camera
> > angle?
>
> Not a lot, for sure. But in my mind this extra element is enough to
> transform raw material to something that can apply for artistic recognition.
"apply for artistic recognition"? Just what the arts need: more
