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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, March 26 2002        Volume 03 : Number 854



In this issue:
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       Re: no-wave
       New Model Army
       Re: them crazy opera singers
       Re: no-wave
       Re: Opinions on Wolfgang Rihm?
       john cage - floodgates part II
       Re: john cage - floodgates part II
       Re: john cage - floodgates part II
       Long Elliot Sharp quote

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:29:31 +0000
From: "Ricardo Jorge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: no-wave

check out fruit of the original sin and all Mars / Jhon Gavanti / don king
releases
ps: there is a rare mars vinil's auction going on on ebay!

>
>with so much obscure no wave out there, i wish there was a way i could
>sample some of it. does any one know of any good no wave comps  (BESIDES NO
>NEW YORK!!!!) or perhaps some websites with good no wave info?? thanks for
>your help
>
>carlos
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 06:43:48 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: New Model Army

Someone here made mention of New Model Army. Please contact me off-list.

Thanks,

Andrew

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:23:35 -0500
From: Bob Sweet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: them crazy opera singers

Has anyone on this list heard Susan Botti (http://www.susanbotti.com/)? She
came here to teach at the University of Michigan. What I read about her is
very interesting, but I've never heard her. Her husband, who also came here
to teach, is drummer, composer, bandleader Roland Vazquez.

Bob Sweet
read Music Universe, Music Mind: Revisiting the Creative Music Studio
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- --On Monday, March 25, 2002 5:46 PM -0600 Matthew Ross Davis
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> depends on what you mean by opera singer. a lot of singers who do wacky
> experimental stuff are trained in that style, but never sing opera (myself
> being one of them).
>
> do you know of folks like joan la barbara, cathy berberian, philip larson,
> thomas buckner, phil minton, jaap blonk, etc.? they all explore areas of
> the voice not normally touched - or did you mean to inquire about actual
> opera singers doing the stuff that also perform opera regularly? THAT
> category of singer is probably counted on less than one hand.
>
> one performance i can recommend (and not just because i'm in it) is a show
> done at the nervous center in chicago with vocalists Carol Genetti
> (chicago) and Viv Corringham (london). it's three free improvs done for
> their festival  of electronic music back in february:
>
>     http://craque.net/miquez/nervousctr20020227.html
>
> i invite zorn listers to have a listen, it was really a fun fun fun show!
> and the largest audience for an experimental show at the nervous center
> that i personally have seen for a long time.
>
> m
>
> gorilla thing([e-mail])@Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 11:00:05AM
> -0800:
> > not to interrupt the fascinating debate:
> > but are there any opera singers doing
> > some cutting edge crazy freaky music?
> >
> > -Chad
> >
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:44:09 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: no-wave

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:02:45 -0800  "carlos torres" wrote:
>
> with so much obscure no wave out there, i wish there was a way i could
> sample some of it. does any one know of any good no wave comps  (BESIDES NO
> NEW YORK!!!!) or perhaps some websites with good no wave info?? thanks for
> your help

Sure, top of my head:

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - SPEED TRIALS: various artists

  This record features music by The Fall, Lydia Lunch, Beastie Boys, Carbon,
  Live Skull, Swans, Toy Killers, Sonic Youth.

    1984 - Homestead Records (USA), HMS 011 (LP)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - BETTER AN OLD DEMON THAN A NEW GOD: various artists

  This record features William S. Burroughs, David Johansen, Jim Carroll, John
  Giorno, Lydia Lunch, Psychic TV, Richard Hell, Arto Lindsay, Meredith Monk,
  Anne Waldman.

    1984 - Giorno Poetry Systems (USA), GPS 033 (LP)

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*** - DOWNTOWN 81: various artists

  This record features Gray (1,9), Kid Creole and the Coconuts (2,14),
  Tuxedomoon (3), Liquid Liquid (4), DNA (5,16), James White and the Blacks
  (6,8), The Lounge Lizards (7,12), Lydia Lunch (10), Coati Mundi (11), Pablo
  Calogero (13), Suicide (15), Chris Stein (17), The Plastics (18), Walter
  Steding and the Dragon People (19), Rammelzee vs. K-Rob (20).

    2001 - Virgin (France), 724381016329 (CD)

  Note: this movie was supposed to be called DOWNTOWN BEAT.

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    Patrice.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:29:09 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Opinions on Wolfgang Rihm?

    Thanks all for the Rihm advices!

    Patrice.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:56:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: john cage - floodgates part II

if i wanted a few highlights of john cage's various works, what would you
recommend?

i just now am getting into his stuff and could use some suggestions to get a
quick summary of what he is all about. name specific songs rather than albums
as i will probably check out some mp3's before i go and purchase any albums.
one thousand thank-you's. oh and what is the name of that piece that is all
tape splices?

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:23:29 -0600
From: William Crump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: john cage - floodgates part II

With a little scattershot searching, I see that the tape piece is called
"Williams Mix," from 1952, and it's on the John Cage 25th Anniversary
 Concert recording. I'd say that that release would be a good start for
the Cage beginner, but I'm a Cage beginner and I don't have it yet t, so
what do I know?

I do have what I consider a good first look at Cage's piano music -- not
meaning to suck up here, but "In a Landscape" from the list's own
Stephen Drury is a cool bunch of pieces for regular, prepared and toy
piano. It led me to the two Naxos discs of Cage prepared piano music,
which is as far as I've gotten in the man's work.

Joseph Zitt or someone else knowledgable should jump in here and carry
on the recommendations.

William Crump

[e-mail] wrote:

>if i wanted a few highlights of john cage's various works, what would you
>recommend?
>
>i just now am getting into his stuff and could use some suggestions to get a
>quick summary of what he is all about. name specific songs rather than albums
>as i will probably check out some mp3's before i go and purchase any albums.
>one thousand thank-you's. oh and what is the name of that piece that is all
>tape splices?
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:19:41 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: john cage - floodgates part II

On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:56:45PM -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
> if i wanted a few highlights of john cage's various works, what would you
> recommend?
>
> i just now am getting into his stuff and could use some suggestions to get a
> quick summary of what he is all about. name specific songs rather than albums
> as i will probably check out some mp3's before i go and purchase any albums.

I haven't seen a whole lot of Cage MP3s out there, though there's a
good starter set of his sound poetry at http://www.ubu.com/ in both
MP3 and Real Audio format.

I would recommend these CD's for starters. They're consistenly good,
so I can't really pick out single tracks to recommend:

- - "Roaratorio" (an hour long piece on both Mode and Wergo)
- - Joan LaBarbara: "Singing Through John Cage" (vocal works)
- - "In a Landscape" (Stephen Drury plays piano works.
  Ignore the packaging, which makes it seem rather like dinner music.)
- - "The Choral Works" (on Mode)
- - "John Cage at Summerstage" (his last performance, which I've seen in
  a lot of cut-out bins)
- - "Four^4" (recorded either by Glenn Freeman on OgreOgress or Amadinda
   Ensemble on Hungaroton)
- - "Piano Music by John Cage" by Louis Goldstein

(I tend to be primarily interested in his later works, so someone else
might have a better list of the early music.)

Also, the various recordings of Cage on the Naxos label are quite good,
and inexpensive.

An MP3 search would probably come across a version of "In a Landscape"
(I think) by William Orbit. Skip over it -- it shares the name but
little else of the original Cage piece.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:17:32 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Long Elliot Sharp quote

    [forwarded bounce: was too large - rizzi]

Road Reports 2001 by Elliott Sharp

September

(...)

Monday's main activities were working on and at the studio. I awoke around
8:30 on Tuesday morning to drink coffee and do email correspondence. I tried
to make a phone call but the line was dead. Calling the operator on the fax
line, I was informed that the outage might have been caused by a plane
hitting a building but she wasn't sure. I ran outside and found out from the
people gathering outside on the sidewalk that a plane had indeed hit one of
the WTC towers, the second soon followed, then the collapses, the sky to the
southwest filling with smoke - F16 fighter jets soon appearing as well,
circling overhead.
This day was spent mostly in front of the television watching the shocking
footage of the planes hitting the towers. We would watch this footage over
and over, the images burning indelibly in the brain. With only one station
available (because of the loss of the antenna on the tower), we had to sit
through endless banal commentary and verbal dross - still, it was possible
to glean some real information about the attack. Bits of news about the
Pentagon hit and other crash would work their way in. Panix was down as
their dialups were in a building quite near the site. I was able to log on
to AOL and do email and get news from the AP feed as well as CNN. Around
eleven that morning, I was able to reach Christian Marclay who lives very
close to the towers. He and Lydia were fine, she up at work, he preparing to
head north to a safer quarter. The area of lower Manhattan below Canal
Street was to be evacuated and the area between Canal and 14th Street (where
I live) was closed to all but residents. This was dubbed the Frozen Zone by
the news and police checkpoints were set up to screen people trying to
enter.
By Tuesday evening, the brain was numbed and twisted. "President Bush" ( I
have a difficult time writing it or even saying it without quotes or
gagging) spoke at 8:30 in a typically inarticulate and uninformative manner,
often invoking "god" and "prayer." I was offended by Barak of Israel's
response, promising punishment and cheering on the battle against terrorism
without mentioning the Israeli injustices and larger reasons that create the
climate for terrorism. The Bushes, the multinationals, the Bin Ladens, the
Zionists, the international Right Wings, the fascists and totalitarians, the
nationalists, the religious fanatics - they all are working in concert,
whether intentional or not, to create a world of fear and draconic control,
crushing the creative spirits of people everywhere. Their own
self-interests, their lust for power, is served by state and individual
terror with innocent civilians manipulated and victimized. The
self-righteousness of the West continues to amaze me. How can terrorism be
discussed without mentioning Hiroshima/Nagasaki, Nanking, the genocide of
Native Americans, the firebombing of Dresden, the murder of the 100,000
fleeing Iraqi youths pressed into service as cannon fodder in the Gulf War?
I would wager that the number of innocents killed in the name of "god" far
exceeds those killed for all other "evil" -isms combined. As a Jew and the
son of Holocaust survivors, I must protest. But how? To whom? It continues
to bring up deep questions of our role as artists, as humans.
Wednesday: too much television, too much web, too much coffee. Studio work
is impossible - no concentration. Walking around the Frozen Zone, I'm struck
by the eery tranquility, a slightly subdued party atmosphere. Cafes are full
with queues for seats. People eating, drinking, laughing, kids playing. The
air is filled with a slight haze - not so visible but it stings the eyes,
the odor of burnt electrical apparatus, wood, paint, we don't want to think
what else. Day passes quickly into evening: more tube, more web.

(...)

These are notes and thoughts written over the course of the previous week,
from Sept. 14 - 23:

Adrenaline, fear, anger, disbelief - these were the drugs that carried us
through the first days after the attack. When they wore off, the sadness
really hit. Now, a time for coolness, objectivity, analysis - this yields a
fresh anger. As I sit in my studio, I can hear and see the F16's patrolling
over the City, enforcing the protection of the Great Leader, here to inspect
the Front, here to act in pious pretension, beating his chest and
proclaiming that he will banish "Evil" from the world - can I stop myself
from vomiting?
Bush uses the word Crusade - astonishment - only an uneducated boor like him
could use such a word without any understanding of the historical resonance
of that word - Moslems and Jews (Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Hindus, on and on)
the world over must quake at the thought of Crusade - the meaning had always
been "conversion or death."
His presence truly signifies that New York, our city, our place of life and
work, has been conquered - it is now Occupied Territory, captured by
America. The occupation began over a decade ago, and was, at first,
relatively peaceful: Mouse Ears on meltos: fat gawking Uhmrkns clogging the
sidewalks, malling and mcdonaldization. But the stage was set: New York City
(hated by Uhmrkns everywhere for its culture, its diverse population, its
soul, and its brains) was transformed into a sacrificial lamb, to be used as
an excuse for vengeance against the "enemy."
Where does the blame lie? Who is the real enemy? I say "follow the money!"
OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL
Is it any coincidence that a new Oil Company President is appointed over the
US by his own party's Supreme Court and that the instant jump in oil prices
is followed by a cry for the blood of the heathen?
Who stands to gain the most from this new mentality of war? A quick look
back at the Gulf War (provoked by Bush Sr. and his ally and henchman Saddam
Hussein) will remind us. Who trained and armed Bin Laden and the Taliban in
a fit of blind anti-Communism? Who (but Dubya) gave Taliban $43 million last
May to aid the US in their puritanical and ineffective drug war. Who
continues to perpetrate malnutrition, illness, and death on innocent Iraqi
children?
Malcolm X's words come back: "Chickens coming home to roost."
Turn on the news or go to any American website and the first thing that
jumps out is PRAYER - there is a dearth of REAL information. Any tidbit that
reveals the true background history of America's role in these events or the
amazing incompetence shown by the American defense is rapidly suppressed.
We're left only with suggestions of news and ever more exhortations to PRAY.
I suppose they had better pray because rationality is in short supply.
The ultimate paranoid viewpoint: perhaps Bush and friends are actually in on
the attack on the World Trade Center. But even if Bush and his cohorts
didn't plan the September 11 events themselves, they are benefitting in
their consolidation of power, clampdown on information, their arrogant
assumptions - their agenda is served well.

(...)

October

(...)

Ten days before our trip, I discovered that the online festival program
called KrashArea a manifestation of the "Radical Jewish Culture" movement.
This angered me greatly and I was able to get this publicity changed. I felt
that it was necessary to additionally clarify matters before the audience
and spoke briefly about my longtime perception that "Radical Jewish Culture"
is just an abhorrent marketing scam exploited by a few musicians and that
religion and nationalism are two of the world's great evils and should be
combatted, not celebrated. This was met with great approval by the audience
- - very heartening! I believe that the young Germans who follow new music
understand very well the legacy of nationalism run rampant and have a much
clearer picture of how it creates worldwide damage - much more so than the
insulated and ill-educated Americans, waving flags and dropping bombs.

(...)

On Nov. 24, Ronny and I participate in a panel discussion at the Schausspiel
Theatre about "the arts and Israel in the current crisis." The panel is
moderated by the ORF producer Renata Schmidtkunz and also includes the
incredible Palestinian-Israeli actor Mohammad Bakry; Marwan Abado, a
Palestinian Maronite-Christian virtuoso oudist and composer; and Vera
Goldman, an 80-year old Jewish Israeli choreographer. We are to give brief
opening statements outlining our own personal history and views. Goldman
begins: she is an old-school Zionist and a hippie, good-hearted but in
denial and oblivious to history - in her overly-long monologue, she merely
explains that she just can't seem to understand why Arab Palestinians that
she has known over the years would become hostile. Bakry gives a calm but
impassioned account of his life and work in Israel, displaying his warm
humanistic spirit and clear analysis. He points out that there are no
Palestinian artists from the Occupied Territories represented in the
festival. Abado was born in a refugee camp in Lebanon and his family
suffered humiliation and death at the hands of the Israelis. He lives in
Wien now for some years and focuses his energy and feeling on his music,
refraining from bitterness. Ronny talked about how his Jewish parents, born
and raised in Baghdad, still thought of themselves as Iraqis. He read a few
poems that illustrated the shared love and pain of Arabs and Jews in the
region. In my portion, I talk about my analysis of historical issues and how
I, as a Jew and son of a Holocaust survivor, came to be anti-Zionist,
finding ways in my art to allow audiences to focus in some way on the
current, not in a journalistic sense but in the form of "pointers" or
"signposts." I feel that the artist has a responsibility to devote some of
their energy to this. The issues around the Israeli actions especially pain
me - Jews have traditionally fought against injustice and their historical
role as "victims" has caused them to "fight the good fight" at least until
the rise of Israel, a product of the British Mandate of 1917, when at the
behest of Zionists, the departing imperialists divided Palestine and armed
both sides. Before this act, during the Ottoman rule of the region, Moslems,
Jews, Christians, atheists - ALL were Palestinians and lived in relative
mutual peace and friendship. Herzl's own diaries as he was developing
Zionism reveal his strategy for "ethnic cleansing" and desire to eliminate
the Arab populations from "Jewish regions" of Palestine. When Jews say
"Never again!" it should apply to everybody. The collective world guilt
after the Holocaust allowed the Zionist agenda to be advanced, with deeper
and deeper shockwaves resounding throughout recent years. As the panel
advanced, Goldman slept (thankfully without snoring) and we discussed among
ourselves strategies for artists and what role Americans can have - now
especially after 9-11, Americans must act as part of the solution rather
than continuing as comfortable and detached observers. The panel opened to
questions from the audience, sparking a maelstrom of shouting and
accusations between different factions of the audience - very revealing and
depressing as we watched it unfold. The moderator correctly let the storm
burst and subside, then outlined an orderly approach. I felt that most
questions were more about the audience members venting their own feelings
rather than asking us for responses. Still, some issues dig deeper. After
the discussion, we received much direct feedback from the audience - some
VERY positive (especially an American woman, Jewish and married to a
Palestinian, who leads a local chapter of the organization Women In Black,
opposed to current Israeli policies) and some VERY negative. A few of us
retired to a local cafe for continued discussion, coffee, and beer. I met a
local Palestinian organizer: intelligent, warm, objective, hopeful, not
hateful - but willing to dig in and struggle. That evening, Mohammad Bakry
performed Emile Habibbi's play "The Peptimist." It was an astounding act to
witness: Bakry ranges from Chaplinesque humor to the darkest of rages and
sorrow - he is physical and soulful. The play was performed in Arabic with
German supertitles so I could only understand about 30% - still, much came
through.

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