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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #829
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, March 20 2002 Volume 03 : Number 829
In this issue:
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RE: RE: Sharrock Inquiry
ethiopiques/nerdy hip-hop
Re: hiphop
RE: hiphop
Re: hiphop/sonny clark
Bristol
Re: From "The Onion"
Name that tune
explanation for a child
fire music
Laswell and The Dub
Re: hiphop
Re: hiphop/sonny clark
Re: explanation for a child
Big John Patton left us...
Fwd: Re: explanation for a child
RE: fire music
Re: Fwd: Re: explanation for a child
Re: Hip Hop
Coltrane Gold Collection
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:43:40 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Sharrock Inquiry
>Anyone know if they've found any Sharrock outtakes from 'Jack Johnson' for
the upcoming box set?
I haven't heard about Sharrock outtakes per se, but i did hear that the box
has been delayed because they found a bunch more unmarked tapes from the
sessions.
sean
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:16:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Taylor McLaren <morakanabad@yahoo.ca>
Subject: ethiopiques/nerdy hip-hop
ETHIOPIQUES: I don't know what the situation is like back home, but
after being intrigued by the sound of the series a couple of weeks
back, I was happy to find that the series is widely distributed here
in Japan and can be found in good-sized chain stores (Virgin, etc.)
and even the corner-filling retail hovels that you can find in train
stations around Osaka. Heck, being imports, they're even relatively
cheap by local standards (usually in the 2000-yen range, or about
$16US), and I'm quite taken with the fourth one thus far... I know
it's the oddball of the litter, but still... it strikes me as being
the kind of thing that the Morricone geeks would appreciate.
NERDY HIP-HOP: On the vocal side of things, you're probably going to
find De La Soul and Public Enemy on everybody's list of influences;
musically, you could probably get a rough sampling of what the
culpable parties were into as kids/students/whatever by asking the
same question of the people on this list... huge variance, etc., but
almost all of it will have its merits. Prog rock, early hip-hop
(especially DJs like Marley Marl, DXT, Bambaata, etc., who
blenderized everything in sight), jazz, whatever... much as I hate
the phrase, it's all good.
USELESS TRIVIA: You know junken, that rock-scissors-paper game that
you used to play when you were a kid? I was informed earlier today
that it has a strip equivalent (ie. strip poker, strip Happy Days
game, etc.) that isn't completely out-of-the-ballpark-strange fodder
for hanami (cherry-blossom-viewing) parties with really close friends
in this neck of the woods. I love this country.
- -me
______________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:31:37 +0100
From: francko.lamerikx@philips.com
Subject: Re: hiphop
On the subject of hip-hop:
> my favorite hip hop cd's would be It takes a Nation of Millions and
> Wu Tang's Enter the Wu-Tang/36 Chambers
In my opinion, and I don't speak as someone who is very knowledgeable
about hip-hop, the Cannibal Ox record "The Cold Vein" is one of the most
intelligent and most highly enjoyable records of recent times.
Their "Straight Off The D.I.C." track is the first hip-hop track I've
ever heard which really left me with a lump in my throat.
Frankco
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:26:55 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: hiphop
another great, fairly recent release is Jurassic 5's Quality Control. solid
old school rhyming and great jazzy beats. there's even a quick cameo by
Sherman Helmsly! (George Jefferson)
sean
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:45:38 EST
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: hiphop/sonny clark
Beastie Boys....all the way.
Can anyone recommend a good starting place for Sonny Clark (other than the
Horvitz tribute)?
Thanks,
Tom
______________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:24:44 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bristol
Hey ,
I'm in Bristol in England looking for good record shops. Any
recommendations?
thanks
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:47:55 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Re: From "The Onion"
>The fact is that I published a novel by a pop music genius
>(Gainsbourg) about an artist who farts, which helps him make his
>art. So believe me, I don't take this as a joke!
Ciao,
Tosh
> anything is that is, was, or will ever be printed in the onion article
>wise is of course a JOKE! - those who are upset by this supposed
>self-degrading joke of an article are taking themselves way too seriously and
>have no identifiable sense of humor.
>
> i thought the article was witty and it cleverly poked fun at people - not
>unlike some on this list - who take all things music too serious. i love john
>zorn to death, i think he's an absolute genius, but i've encountered some
>types that would buy an album of him farting and belching profusely and then
>discuss how well he blended the two styles together and or his brilliantly
>suttle use of dynamics in the first movement. get the point?
>
>someones new enemy - mike
>
>-
- --
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:10:35 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: Name that tune
http://www.philipglass.com/glassengine/#
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:07:08 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: explanation for a child
can someone explain me the concept behind "music concrete"?
greets,
Ricardo Reis
"Non Serviam"
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:06:20 +0100
From: Geert Buelens <buelens@uia.ac.be>
Subject: fire music
dear list-members,
has any one of you read "Fire Music. A Political History of Jazz" (by
Rob Backus, 1976)? it seems very hard to find and I'd like to know if I
should continue my quest or just forget about it. Other interesting
titles (books, articles) about the same subject (especially free jazz &
black arts movement) are also very welcome.
thanks,
geert
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:16:17 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Laswell and The Dub
Hello!
Can somebody tell me when Bill Laswell recorded his first dub piece??
Sometime late 80s, is that right? Discovering dub must have been quite a big
turn around for him, so I'm just curious when he really became a born again
dubster.
Thanks.
NR: http://www.bullatomsci.org/media/current_print.html
NP: PainKiller: "Guts Of A Virgin" (What, no dub!??!)
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:25:09 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: hiphop
on 3/20/02 6:26 AM, Sean Westergaard at seawes@allmusic.com wrote:
>
>
> another great, fairly recent release is Jurassic 5's Quality Control. solid
> old school rhyming and great jazzy beats. there's even a quick cameo by
> Sherman Helmsly! (George Jefferson)
>
> sean
>
>
> -
>
I second that one. That "jazz" cut is unbelieveable virtuoso turntabling,
too.
sh
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:25:31 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: hiphop/sonny clark
on 3/20/02 6:45 AM, Samerivertwice@aol.com at Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote:
> Beastie Boys....all the way.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good starting place for Sonny Clark (other than the
> Horvitz tribute)?
>
COOL STRUTTIN'.
skip h
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:26:12 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: explanation for a child
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:07:08 +0000 (WET) Ricardo Reis wrote:
>
>
> can someone explain me the concept behind "music concrete"?
Musique Concrete was created by Pierre Schaeffer in the late forties (quickly
joined by Pierre Henry with whom he made the masterpiece of the genre:
SYMPHONIE POUR UN HOMME SEUL). The idea was to make music with sounds
usually not considered as musical. Basically sounds made by objects associated
to all human activities. It could the noise of a squeaky door, the noises from
steam machines, etc. Schaeffer gathered all the theoretical foundations of his
baby in the awesome T.O.M. (TRAITE DES OBJETS MUSICAUX). In its purest form,
the music was not supposed to use sounds prooduced by electronic equipements,
although these were heavily used for processing (including the weird machine
to slow/speed sounds without changing the pitches!). You also need to know that
Schaeffer was quite desilusioned with the whole idea by the end of his life.
In the early fifties, every modern European composers had created his piece
of music concrete. Very few are unfortunately available (Boulez, for example,
erased it from his catalog).
The idea of musique concrete, as a separate genre, did not last long since
after the creation of electronic music in 1953 in Koln by Herbert Heimer, both
genres quickly fused to become electroacoustic music (or acousmatic, if you
follow the French school).
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:52:09 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Big John Patton left us...
Another sad news.
There is a message on r.m.b. saying that Big John Patton passed away on
Tuesday 3/19/02.
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:55:24 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Re: explanation for a child
Hi,
I could be wrong but I think Pierre Henry's "Messe
Pour le Temps Present" is still available and it's a
good example of musique concrete. However, according
to Patrice's insightful description and taking it
strictly, only the last section of the record could be
included within that category, if I recall (with all
those furniture noises, etc). It includes the famous
"Psyche-Rock"!.
Best,
EfrΘn del VAlle
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:07:08 +0000 (WET) Ricardo
> Reis wrote:
> >
> >
> > can someone explain me the concept behind "music
> concrete"?
>
> Musique Concrete was created by Pierre Schaeffer in
> the late forties (quickly
> joined by Pierre Henry with whom he made the
> masterpiece of the genre:
> SYMPHONIE POUR UN HOMME SEUL). The idea was to make
> music with sounds
> usually not considered as musical. Basically sounds
> made by objects associated
> to all human activities. It could the noise of a
> squeaky door, the noises from
> steam machines, etc. Schaeffer gathered all the
> theoretical foundations of his
> baby in the awesome T.O.M. (TRAITE DES OBJETS
> MUSICAUX). In its purest form,
> the music was not supposed to use sounds prooduced
> by electronic equipements,
> although these were heavily used for processing
> (including the weird machine
> to slow/speed sounds without changing the pitches!).
> You also need to know that
> Schaeffer was quite desilusioned with the whole idea
> by the end of his life.
> In the early fifties, every modern European
> composers had created his piece
> of music concrete. Very few are unfortunately
> available (Boulez, for example,
> erased it from his catalog).
>
> The idea of musique concrete, as a separate genre,
> did not last long since
> after the creation of electronic music in 1953 in
> Koln by Herbert Heimer, both
> genres quickly fused to become electroacoustic music
> (or acousmatic, if you
> follow the French school).
>
> Patrice.
>
> -
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:13:32 -0500
From: "josephneff" <jneff@visuallink.com>
Subject: RE: fire music
Hello,
....Valarie Wilmer's "As Serious As Your Life" springs to mind. It is a
very good read, and is very much in tune with the political spirit of fire
music/free jazz/new thing/whatever. And it shouldn't be hard to find. I
ordered my from a local (Winchester, VA)independant bookstore.
I remain....
Joseph
NP: Eugene Chadbourne- "I Talked To Death In Stereo" CD
NR: Oxford American Southern Movie Issue
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Geert Buelens
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:06 PM
Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: fire music
dear list-members,
has any one of you read "Fire Music. A Political History of Jazz" (by
Rob Backus, 1976)? it seems very hard to find and I'd like to know if I
should continue my quest or just forget about it. Other interesting
titles (books, articles) about the same subject (especially free jazz &
black arts movement) are also very welcome.
thanks,
geert
- -
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:01:29 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: explanation for a child
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:55:24 +0100 (CET) =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I could be wrong but I think Pierre Henry's "Messe
> Pour le Temps Present" is still available and it's a
In fact a lot is available. A fairly complete set of Pierre Schaeffer and
numerous boxes for Pierre Henry (at least three, if I remember well).
Patrice.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - L'OEUVRE MUSICALE: Pierre Schaeffer
Disc 1:
1/ Cinq Etudes De Bruits (Schaeffer) 16:12
2/ Diapason Concertino (Schaeffer) 9:49
3/ Variations Sur Une Flute Mexicaine (Schaeffer) 3:45
4/ Suite Pour 14 Instruments (Schaeffer) 25:24
5/ L'Oiseau RAI (Schaeffer) 2:55
Disc 2:
6/ Symphonie Pour Un Homme Seul (Schaeffer, Henry) 21:30
7/ Bidule En Ut (Schaeffer, Henry) 1:51
8/ Echo D'Orfee, Pour P. Schaeffer (Pierre Henry) 39:58
Disc 3:
9/ Quatre Etudes De Bruits (Schaeffer) 12:25
10/ Concertino Diapason (Schaeffer) 4:20
11/ Suite 14 (Schaeffer) 9:15
12/ Masquerage (Schaeffer) 3:37
13/ Les Paroles Degelees (Schaeffer) 4:19
14/ Etude Aux Allures (Schaeffer) 3:28
15/ Etude Aux Sons Animes (Schaeffer) 4:12
16/ Etude Aux Objets (Schaeffer) 17:10
17/ Le Triedre Fertile (Schaeffer) 11:37
18/ Bilude (Schaeffer) 2:17
1998 - Musidisc/INA GRM (France), 292572 (3xCD)
???? - EMF (USA), EM114 (3xCD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - ANTAGONISMES IV: Pierre Henry
1/ Antagonismes IV
2001 - Philips (France), PHI 8525 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - FUTURISTIE: Pierre Henry
1/ Futuristie
2001 - Philips (France), PHI 8524 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - VARIATIONS POUR UNE PORTE ET UN SOUPIR & LA REINE VERTE: Pierre Henry
1/ Variations Pour Une Porte Et Un Soupir
2/ La Reine Verte
2001 - Philips (France), PHI 8523 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - MIX 03.0: Pierre Henry
CD 1:
1/ Variations Pour Une Porte Et Un Soupir
2/ La Reine Verte
CD 2:
3/ Futuristie
CD 3:
4/ Antagonismes IV
CD 4:
5/ Hugosymphonie/Gouttes D'Eau
2001 - Philips (France), PHI 8522 (4xCD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - MIX 02.0: Pierre Henry
1/ Symphonie Pour un Homme Seul
2/ Le Voyage
3/ Mouvement-Rythme-Etude
4/ Le Livre des Morts Egyptien
2000 - Philips (France), PHI 4645322 (4xCD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - MIX: Pierre Henry
1999 - Philips (France), PHI 4644032 (5xCD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:42:25 -0500
From: "josephneff" <jneff@visuallink.com>
Subject: Re: Hip Hop
Hello,
...now, as far as the old, old school stuff goes, I seem to remember
that Rhino assembled something like a 4 CD comp. series of the early stuff
(back when it was called rap). I don't own it, but a friend used to spin it
at parties, and it was always fun. I need to hunt these down....
Yeah, PE's "It Takes a Nation..." is classic, but don't sleep on the first
one "Yo, Bum Rush The Show". It's a great glimpse at the pre-political PE,
with absolutely SLAMMIN' beats and the riveting voice of Chuck.
On the subject of Beastie Boys, "Paul's Boutique" is the closest in spirit
to the hip hop modus operandi. It's absolutely drenched in samples (some
would say too much so)and in many ways is a kind of tribute to much early
hip hop culture. The Dust Brothers play a big part in the success of the
album, um, IMHO.
So, anybody want to recommend some good starter discs for Washington DC's
indigenous music, Go-Go? Comps or single artist albums, it doesn't matter.
I remain...
Joseph
NP: Eugene Chadbourne- "I Talked To Death In Stereo" CD
NR: Oxford American Southern Movie Issue
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:29:17 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu>
Subject: Coltrane Gold Collection
A friend gave me this Coltrane CD and told me to figure out what it is.
It is entitled "The John Coltrane Gold Collection." It appears to be
made in Italy by a company by the name of "Digital Dejavu" and it was
released in 1992. On the CD there is a version of A Love Supreme that
is split into 4 tracks, as opposed to 3, which total 39:36 and then a
version of Spiritual at 12:20. The sound quality could be live but it
is a very well recorded live sound. Does any one know what this is? Is
it live? When was it recorded?
Zach
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