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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:36:46 EST
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: remastering
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In a message dated 3/5/2002 2:57:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
crumpdesigns@yahoo.com writes:
> One amazing side-by-side comparison is Zappa's Hot
> Rats (him again?!). I have an old vinyl edition and
> the 1987 Ryko CD, and they're almost different albums.
> Of course, this is a case of a completely new mix, not
> just remastering, but it's still amazing. "There was a
> piano in that song?!"
>
If I'm not mistaken, isn't Hots Rats one of the controversial Zappa CD's that
he actually DID add parts to in the remix/remaster process? That would indeed
make them different albums.
Dale.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 3/5/2002 2:57:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, crumpdesigns@yahoo.com writes:<BR>
Rats (him again?!). I have an old vinyl edition and<BR>
the 1987 Ryko CD, and they're almost different albums.<BR>
Of course, this is a case of a completely new mix, not<BR>
just remastering, but it's still amazing. "There was a<BR>
piano in that song?!"<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B><BR>
If I'm not mistaken, isn't Hots Rats one of the controversial Zappa CD's that he actually DID add parts to in the remix/remaster process? That would indeed make them different albums. <BR>
<BR>
Dale.</B></FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:38:52 EST
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: remastering
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In a message dated 3/5/2002 3:19:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
seawes@allmusic.com writes:
>
> if you can ever manage to track down the ultra short-lived Gold disc of Hot
> Rats (on ryko), it's the original mix. happy hunting
>
> sean
>
Thanks Sean, I was wondering if the original version existed on CD, and got
no response at all to my inquiry to the Zappa "estate." Is this a Mobile
Fidelity gold disc?
Dale.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 3/5/2002 3:19:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, seawes@allmusic.com writes:<BR>
if you can ever manage to track down the ultra short-lived Gold disc of Hot<BR>
Rats (on ryko), it's the original mix. happy hunting<BR>
<BR>
sean<BR>
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Thanks Sean, I was wondering if the original version existed on CD, and got no response at all to my inquiry to the Zappa "estate." Is this a Mobile Fidelity gold disc?<BR>
<BR>
Dale.</B></FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:38:53 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Infinite Zero
And getting damned hard to find, as I discovered when I finally got around
to looking for the Gang of Four reissues. I had to turn to eBay for 'Songs
of the Free,' and still haven't found 'Solid Gold' and 'Hard.' (So if
anybody's sitting on spares...)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Sean Westergaard
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:11 PM
To: Zachary Steiner; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: Infinite Zero
infinite zero went under a few years back and all the stuff is out of print.
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:07:46 +0100
From: Thierry Raguin <thierryraguin@urbanet.ch>
Subject: Naked City Live
Hi everyone,
Does anyone one know the release date of Naked City Live vol. 1:
Knitting factory 1989? On Tzadik website, they only say March...
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:08:01 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Mark Hollis/Talk Talk (no JZ content)
First I thought that .O.rang split up, then later it appeared that while
Paul Webb had left, Lee Harris was continuing on. There's a website at
http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc11425/orang/ which contains a lot of
information, but apparently it hasn't been updated since last October.
Still, one thing it does mention is a collaboration between Lee and Paul,
backing Portishead's Beth Gibbons, which does sound kinda promising if it's
still happening.
The same guy who does the .O.rang site, by the way, also runs the very nice
Within Without site dedicated to Mark Hollis:
http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc11425/. But that doesn't appear to have been
updated recently either - not that there's really been anything to report.
What's the Anja Garbarek disc like? As an import, it's damned expensive, but
I see that in addition to Hollis, it's got contributions from Robert Wyatt,
Steve Jansen and Richard Barbieri. The "reviewer" at Amazon describes her
earlier album as "Bjork meets Laurie Anderson," though, which makes me a bit
wary. Any pointers?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dgasque@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:54 PM
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: Mark Hollis/Talk Talk (no JZ content)
<< I heard 'O'-rang had split up. Any news on that? >>
No studio albums since '96 and nothing at all since 98's _Remixes_ , which
I've not heard. Probably safe to call it a split...
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:30:36 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: eno & remastering
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From: Sean Westergaard <seawes@allmusic.com>
> was staggering. same with albums like Agharta by Miles, where the
domestic
> version still sounds crappy.
Ok... you want to make me spend more money on electric miles... ;-)
As you see, I agree that the 'columbia masterpieces' cds of agharta/pangaea
do sound flat. 'Dark Magus' sounds very dangerous in comparison, and obne
may wonder whether the show was THAT MUCH better.
The time has come to buy new editions, I think
Marcin
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:34:57 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: eno & remastering
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From: <UFOrbK8@aol.com>
> i know i would feel ill if i heard a remaster of stravinsky conducting
> stravinsky doing 'rite of spring'... so i've avoided it!
but there's no new (24/96?) remaster, all we have is the early '90s digital
version (I mean the new mini lp version is not remastred)?
And I WANT ENO POP ALBUMS TO BE REMASTRED.
Marcin (you can see my opinion on some, at least, some of the remasters from
the posts on miles, be & IS)
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:40:21 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: eno & remastering
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From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org>
> the original analog recording is done well, there's a lot of detail
> that earlier generations of analog to digital converters just missed.
> I don't think you need sophisticated ears or technology to tell when
> something sounds good, it just does.
I fully agree - and i have to point out that my listening equipment is
nowhere near top class (HK 7325 cd / old grundig vinyl player/ pioneer a503R
amp/ qln 122 speakers). On my beloved 'filles de kilimajaro', i found that
the bass was doubled by e pinao at some moments - it sounded just like 'low
sound' on the original version.
That being said, a good idea is just to keep your vinyls. they sound
inceridble.
BTW - as for records that need some remaster: '70s Carla Bley stuff.
Marcin
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:32:57 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Odp: eno & remastering
on 3/5/02 4:40 PM, Marcin Gokieli at marcingokieli@go2.pl wrote:
> BTW - as for records that need some remaster: '70s Carla Bley stuff.
> Marcin
>
remix, remaster, and remove any post-recorded organ that tended to crowd
the canvas and obscure what was actually happening in the the studio when
those guys were paying together (espec on EUROPEAN TOUR 77)
sh
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:48:52 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: eno & remastering
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From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
> remix, remaster, and remove any post-recorded organ that tended to crowd
> the canvas and obscure what was actually happening in the the studio when
> those guys were paying together (espec on EUROPEAN TOUR 77)
Ain't that a live album?
I just got that one on vinyl - MUCH more power then the cd.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:51:43 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: eno & remastering
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From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
> those guys were paying together (espec on EUROPEAN TOUR 77)
the one that needs some serious work uregntly is Musique mechanique, IMHO.
Typical no- remaster sound with poor dynamics and electric bass sounding
like a piece of whale (whatever it might mean ;-)
Marcin
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:48:43 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: eno & remastering
on 3/5/02 4:48 PM, Marcin Gokieli at marcingokieli@go2.pl wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
>
>> remix, remaster, and remove any post-recorded organ that tended to crowd
>> the canvas and obscure what was actually happening in the the studio when
>> those guys were paying together (espec on EUROPEAN TOUR 77)
>
> Ain't that a live album?
> I just got that one on vinyl - MUCH more power then the cd.
>
>
studio. I have both, and the LP does sound fuller.
sh
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:01:07 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Stravinsky and remastering [was RE: eno & remastering]
If you feel like coughing up $54, Andante has just issued a 3CD set of
Stravinsky's earliest recordings, including the 1940 New York Phil 'Rite'
(sharing a well-filled disc one with the Firebird Suite (1945 version),
Petroushka Suite (1910-11 version) and Fireworks. Lots of other good stuff
on the set, and Andante generally does a knockout job of remastering from 78
rpm sources (though I've not heard this particular set as yet). But ooofff,
