From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: and the opposite of not sex
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:42:37 +0100 "Mads Ruby" wrote:
>
> I used to have a 12" on Ze Records with the 4 tracks by James Chance, James
> White, or whatever he decided to call himself that day. I think it was a French
> pressing. It had some great playing from Arto Lindsay and included a completely
> hysterical version of "That┤s When Your Heartaches Begin". That must have been
> the one somebody claims to have seen...
I agree, that's likely to be the one he thought was GRUTZI ELVIS. The error is
understandable since track #4 is called:
"Theme From Grutzi Elvis"
> Anybody know if that one ever came out on CD, perhaps as bonus tracks on a James
> Chance reissue? I┤m desperate to get hold of a new copy - one of the best
> recordings James Chance ever made
Not as far as I know.
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:13:09 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Break Up Music
I momentarily wanted to slit my wrists when I recently learned that Hollis
has "retired from music." Thankfully, I realized that I'll always have the
last two Talk Talk discs and the solo album. (In general, I prefer 'Spirit
of Eden' to 'Laughing Stock,' though.)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Sven-Ake Johansson, Axel Dorner, Andrea Neumann, "3," 'Barcelona
Series' (hatOLOGY)
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Subject: Re: Break Up Music
I tend to go for the music that matches the mood- in other words, if I'm
upset, the last thing I want to hear is "happy" music.
Therefore, in times of gloom, I heartily recommend Talk Talk's _Laughing
Stock_ as an album to cure one's ills.
However I do realize that Mark Hollis' vocals could make some *want* to slit
their wrists...
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:19:12 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: and the opposite of not sex
Stevie Wonder, "Knocks Me Off My Feet," 'Songs in the Key of Life'
Madonna, "Crazy for You," 'The Immaculate Collection'
Bob Marley, "Is This Love," 'Legend'
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:01:15 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: stevie...
howzabout "talking book"??
<jams out to 'you are the sunshine of my life'>
xo
k8.
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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:20:47 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: RE: Break Up Music
In a message dated Mon, 4 Mar 2002 9:15:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> writes:
> I momentarily wanted to slit my wrists when I recently learned that Hollis
> has "retired from music." Thankfully, I realized that I'll always have the
> last two Talk Talk discs and the solo album. (In general, I prefer 'Spirit
> of Eden' to 'Laughing Stock,' though.)
Hey Steve- I suppose you've picked up the two post-TT 'O'Rang albums, featuring bassist Webb and drummer Harris. They're sort of a ambient/tribal extension of TT's _SoE_ and _LS_, for lack of a better description. They're well worth the search for anyone into late-era TT, in any case. I think they were re-issued Stateside on some indie label (Big Hit???)
I guess in a more jazzy mode, Miles' _Kind of Blue_ would definitely qualify, 'least under my guidelines...
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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:18:03 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: stevie...
on 3/4/02 7:01 PM, UFOrbK8@aol.com at UFOrbK8@aol.com wrote:
> howzabout "talking book"??
>
one of THE great sex albums
sh
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:38:03 -0600
From: parry@macconnect.com
Subject: Broken-up music
I can see the infomercial now -- "K-Tel Presents: Songs for the Unrequited:
All the Hits That Hurt."
Of course, the whole point in having a heart is so that you can get it
broken into tiny little sharp-edged piaces and properly wallow in the
following:
Hands down the greatest wallowing to be had: early Fleetwood Mac, esp.
"Love That Burns" and "Man of the World." Peter Green had to be pretty
much the most tortured soul of the century.
One of the saddest songs ever: NRBQ's "Ridin' in My Car," by former
guitarist Al Anderson. The contrast between the jaunty melody and the
understated melancholy in the lyrics is exquisitely sad. (NRBQ also has an
I'm-breaking-up-with-you song that is unspeakably sad, "Big Goodbyes")
Dinah Washington "This Bitter Earth" and "I Don't Hurt Anymore"
Ann Peebles' "I Can't Stand the Rain." (And then listen to her "I'll Get
Along" to cheer up)
Bonnie Raitt "Love Has No Pride"
Harold Melvin & the Bluenotes' "The Love I Lost."
Teddy Pendergrass, "Love TKO"
Hall & Oates "She's Gone" and "Had I Known You Better Then" (a shame they
had to go and besmirch their name with all that bad pop later on)
"Tonight the Bottle Let Me Down" -- Haggard's original or the Elvis
Costello version
"It All Came Down" -- a very uncharacteristic weird indie-rock-y sort of
track that snuck onto an Iguanas album, which they never play live.
Elvis Costello's "I Want You" from "Blood & Chocolate," a great album for
down times, overall
Brian Ferry's "Slave to Love," and most of Roxy Music is properly angst-ridden
American Music Club is, of course, tops for reaching new depressive peaks
Then there's the Zulus' "Down on the Floor," a cathartic classic for the
cuckolded. When they did it live, basically you'd break your neck banging
your head and not have to worry about your stupid heart any more.
And when you're ready to laugh at yourself again, the ultimate in
over-the-top self-pity: Glyn Styler's "You Killed My Love." The Chandler
Travis Philharmonic and a salsa group from North Carolina -- Bioritmo, I
think is the name -- have both done funny covers of this.
I can't think of as many love-in-bloom songs, love thwarted is so much more
fun. But there's "Teach Me Tonight," by Dinah Washington (the Johnny Adams
version is also grand), and "I Don't Know Enough About You," by the late
great Peggy Lee. And I have to say Van Morrison's T.B. Sheets, which I know
is really strange, but my ex-quasi-fiance and I used to have rendezvous at
the Waffle House and somebody had put Van Morrison's "Brown-Eyed Girl" in
the jukebox wrong, so every time somebody tried to play it, which was about
three times an hour, they got "T.B. Sheets," which amused us no end. So I
always think of romance when I hear "T.B. Sheets." The other big things we
shared were Paul Westerberg's first solo album and Townes Van Zandt, so no
wonder we both eventually just got too depressed and had to start seeing
other people's record collections.
Parry
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:38:06 -0600
From: parry@macconnect.com
Subject: Skip's important advice
>
>>Important advice -- resist the temptation to upgrade the musical tastes of
>>your signifigant others (Steve notwithstanding -- she your ex obviously knew
>>some stuff already). Back when I lived in Philly, if you wanted to see
>>every old girlfriend I ever had, all you had to do was wait for NRBQ, Mose
>>Allison, or Ahmad Jamal to come to town, and they'd all be there, thoroughly
>>indoctrinated, grooving hard, and generally with a new boyfriend whose
>>tastes THEY were seeking to upgrade. The irony of this was never lost on me
>>- -- I paid too much attention to music and not to the relationship, the
>>relationship ends, and my taste in music seemed to last forever.
>>
The corollary to this, I guess, is not to regard blissfully compatible
musical taste as a sign that Love Was Meant To Be. I've learned, to my
sorrow, that more is required for a successful long-term relationship. Of
course, I still would not go out with someone without performing a complete
musical inquisition, and inspecting his entire record collection to make
sure he wasn't harboring, say, a Big Country album.
Parry
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:03:14 -0500
From: "josephneff" <jneff@visuallink.com>
Subject: RE: Break Up Music
Hello,
...John Lee Hooker's "When My First Wife Left Me" is an absolutely
devastating break up song. I'm thinking specifically of the version on an
old GNP Crescendo 2LP "Best of...".
Also, (though this doesn't really count as break up music) the Violent
Femmes' "Good Feeling", which received rather frequent play in my bedroom
back in those dysfunctional high school days when I was trying desperately
for some contact w/ the opposite sex, and failing miserably, natch.
Lastly....Stephen Merritt. "69 Love Songs" in particular. Especially when
he's singing. His throat just drips w/ melancholy ache.
I remain....
Joseph
NP: feedtime- "Shovel" LP
NR: Stanley Elkin- "Criers and Kibitzers, Kibitzers and Criers"
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:54:37 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Break up Music
I always found Procol Harum's 'Whiter Shade Than Pale' an extremely
sad song. In fact that whole album sounds so sad. I haven't heard
this album for at least 25 years. Should I give it another listen?
Oh and their Grand Hotel album strikes me as very sad too! All that
waltzing and drinking fancy liquor - it al adds to the failure of
romance. Also a good Noel Coward song affects me that way too.
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Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:58:30 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: the femmes.
In a message dated 03.05.02 00.46.46, jneff@visuallink.com writes:
>Also, (though this doesn't really count as break up music) the Violent
>Femmes' "Good Feeling", which received rather frequent play in my bedroom
>back in those dysfunctional high school days when I was trying desperately
>for some contact w/ the opposite sex, and failing miserably, natch.
damn. i'd forgotten all about that song. i knew there was a reason i was
trying to get my friend darren to download and subsequently burn that first
VF album. that song was on my listening list all through 7-8-9-10th
grades... i was such an angstful child, really. so depressive. i don't
have any idea how my parents dealt with me, until i started listening to
crazy loud shit.
love,
k8.
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k a t e p e t e r s o n
c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r
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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:17:40 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Skip's important advice
on 3/4/02 9:38 PM, parry@macconnect.com at parry@macconnect.com wrote:
>
> The corollary to this, I guess, is not to regard blissfully compatible
> musical taste as a sign that Love Was Meant To Be. I've learned, to my
> sorrow, that more is required for a successful long-term relationship. Of
> course, I still would not go out with someone without performing a complete
> musical inquisition, and inspecting his entire record collection to make
> sure he wasn't harboring, say, a Big Country album.
>
> Parry
>
It's true, true, sad but true.
Of course, my wife could identify Johnny "Guitar" Watson before I ever met
her, so I'm a freakin' lottery winner.
sh
and "Ridin' In My Car" is the best sad song with the best sad guitar solo
since JGW's "Lonely Lonely Nights". I you disgaree with this, you are just
