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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #796
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Zorn List Digest Monday, February 25 2002 Volume 03 : Number 796
In this issue:
-
Re: livemusic in boston this weekend?
BIPED
Naked City
Re: [no-JZ] coltrane live in europe
Re: livemusic in boston this weekend?
Re: Evan Parker - Keith Rowe Collaborations
Subject: Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)
Flaming Creatures
Re: cassette archeology
Re: Naked City
Re: Flaming Creatures
A day that will live in infamy
Cartoon
Re: A day that will live in infamy
Fennesz: Il Libro Mio
Xenakis - "Palimpsest"
Re: Film stills--publicity photos
fred frith: stone, brick, glass, wood, wire
Re: fred frith: stone, brick, glass, wood, wire
Re: Xenakis - "Palimpsest"
Broadway
Re: Broadway
Re: Broadway
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:55:40 -0800 (PST)
From: James Coleman <bostonimprov@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: livemusic in boston this weekend?
2/23 [sat] 8:00pm
@ The Zeitgeist Gallery 312 Broadway in Cambridge, MA
$6
Liz Tonne - voice ( solo )
Sean Meehan - percussion
James Coleman - theremin
David Gross - alto saxophone | clarinet
=====
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Http://www.zuihitsu.net/
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:18:01 -0500
From: "Bob Kowalski" <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: BIPED
Has any Zornsters heard the new Gavin Bryars disc BIPED? I'm wondering if =
its worth drumming up an international money order for $25 (via his www =
site seems to be the sole place to get it.) Have heard a couple of =
positive comparisons to Glass's Mishima although I haven't gotten around =
to listening to that either.
too busy sitting in the dark listening to that dang wonderful Mullholland =
Drive soundtrack ; )
Bob
- -
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:25:45 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu>
Subject: Naked City
Is Naked City Live at KF really coming out on Tuesday? Or is that the
old release date?
Zach
- -
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:27:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [no-JZ] coltrane live in europe
Albrecht:
Seems to me that I just read a recent review by
Coltrane scholar David Wild that disputed that this
was all "*not* on previous Pablo Coltrane releases".
Also one set of tracks was supposedly recorded in the
U.S. and mislabelled as European dates. [His website,
which I think is ww.wildmusic.com -- or do a search]
may have more details.
As for the recording quality, considering they're live
sessions, I'd listen to soem earlier Coltrane Pablo
CDs or LPs to compare. If you like how that sounds ...
Hope this helps.
Ken Waxman
- --- Albrecht Koschnik <akoschni@mailer.fsu.edu> wrote:
> Can somebody comment on the new or newish Pablo
> release, Coltrane--'Live Trane, The European
Tours'?! According to the ad I've seen, this is a 7CD
> set, Stockholm, Paris, Berlin, Hamburg, Stuttgart,
> 1961-63; supposedly ca.
> 20 tracks [?] *not* on previous Pablo Coltrane
> releases.
>
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:35:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Grey ElkGel <greyelkgel@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: livemusic in boston this weekend?
try here:
http://members.aol.com/tautology3/BossImpCal.html
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:38:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Evan Parker - Keith Rowe Collaborations
And discographer Patrice forgot to add if he doesn't
know about it, the only other people who could would
be Messers. Parker and Rowe. :)
Ken Waxman
- --- "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:18:36 +1100 "Adam Rock"
> wrote:
> >
> > Have Evan Parker and Keith Rowe performed on any
> albums together other than "Dark Rags" and
"Supersession"?
>
> That's all I know.
>
> Patrice.
=====
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:36:19 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Subject: Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)
"Low End Theory" is indeed a great album. If you're starting out, "Anthology" is a great record too
and a good intro to them.
Best,
Jason
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online music magazine
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:43:56 EST
From: Brennansf@aol.com
Subject: Flaming Creatures
Has anyone on the list ever purchased, or even seen, Jack Smith's film
Flaming Creatures on video? I have been assured many times that it has been
released on video, always it seems by folks who never actually bought one or
ever saw it in a store. Any help would be really appreciated.
Thanks,
Jerry
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:59:22
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: cassette archeology
>From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Vuilleumier=2C_St=E9phane=22?=
><stephane.vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
>Subject: cassette archeology
>I was wondering if someone somewhere would be=20 crazy enough to sell
> >cassette audio tapes ("commercial" ones, I mean) of experimental >music
>-and even=20 perhaps to have a website for the stuff. The things >I'd be
>looking for would be familiar to this list I guess, e.g.=20
>AGAINST NO WALL: Rebby Sharp
1987 (?) - Artifacts (USA), Yclept #13013 (CT)
>PASSED NORMAL VOL. #3: various artists
1988 - FOT Records/Home Recordings (USA), Vol. #3 (CT)
>or early Chadbournes tapes etc.
Hey,
I'm posting this to the list in case anyone else is interested.... Amoeba in
San Francisco (and Berkeley) sells used cassettes -- I have seen plenty of
old Chadbourne and Zorn (Nonesuch era) tapes. Not sure about those others,
but it's possible. If anyone wants to make a list I suppose I can check next
time I'm there. They also have used copies of the out of print Tim Berne JMT
albums now and then, for reasonable prices ($10-12).
Your humble servant,
WY
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:05:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Brooker <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Naked City
- --- Zachary Steiner <zsteiner@butler.edu> wrote:
> Is Naked City Live at KF really coming out on
> Tuesday? Or is that the
> old release date?
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -
>
The release date has changed to 04/23/02 :(
Mike
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:08:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Brooker <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flaming Creatures
- --- Brennansf@aol.com wrote:
> Has anyone on the list ever purchased, or even seen,
> Jack Smith's film
> Flaming Creatures on video? I have been assured
> many times that it has been
> released on video, always it seems by folks who
> never actually bought one or
> ever saw it in a store. Any help would be really
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry
I've never really searched for it at all, but from
what clips I've seen it looks interesting. I
discovered it from the John Waters Docu "Divine Trash"
where he basically talks about how it inspired his
early works. They show some clips as well as feature a
mini-interview with Smith. Worth checking out.
MB
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:38:28 EST
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: A day that will live in infamy
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In a message dated 2/22/02 7:06:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hirakemike@yahoo.com writes:
> The release date has changed to 04/23/02 :(
>
> Mike
>
While I'm disappointed for the Naked City delay, I'm glad it's coming out on
the same day as the new Wilco and Elvis Costello discs.
Counting the days,
tom
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 2/22/02 7:06:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, hirakemike@yahoo.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The release date has changed to 04/23/02 :(<BR>
<BR>
Mike<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
While I'm disappointed for the Naked City delay, I'm glad it's coming out on the same day as the new Wilco and Elvis Costello discs.<BR>
<BR>
Counting the days,<BR>
tom</FONT></HTML>
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- -
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:48:12 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <regis@sounding.com>
Subject: Cartoon
Certainly Zorn-related, Chuck Jones died today.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020222/220262_1.html
m
http://craque.net
- -
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 06:33:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Brooker <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A day that will live in infamy
- --- Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/22/02 7:06:10 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> hirakemike@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > The release date has changed to 04/23/02 :(
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
> While I'm disappointed for the Naked City delay, I'm
> glad it's coming out on
> the same day as the new Wilco and Elvis Costello
> discs.
>
> Counting the days,
> tom
>
Well, something else to look forward to would be Yuka
Honda's album that comes out this Tuesday.
Mike
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------------------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:38:48 +0100
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.net>
Subject: Fennesz: Il Libro Mio
i just came across a 3-inch disc "Il Libro Mio" by Christian Fennesz.
Is it worth ordering?
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net
ICQ: 96771783
http://nyds-exp-discogs.covers.de/
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mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time,
the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn,
burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across
the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and
everybody goes "Awww!"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:24:48 +1100
From: "Adam Rock" <arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au>
Subject: Xenakis - "Palimpsest"
Just come across a copy of Xenakis' "Palimpsest" whilst browsing through the
online catalogue of an independent record store. Is this CD worth investing
in? Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Adam
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:26:31 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Film stills--publicity photos
>theoretical questions. For example, our campus copy shops will not
>reproduce directly from books or other print sources without
>permission, but they will reproduce already-copied pages. So, if a
>person makes a photocopy from a text and then takes it to the shop,
>it's no problem. I suppose that any burden of copyright violation has
>been removed from the copy shop by at least one step--to the person who
>made the copy.
This is an odd idea. The copy shop would actually still be violating
copyright no matter how many generations are removed.
- -
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:12:08 +0100
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.net>
Subject: fred frith: stone, brick, glass, wood, wire
any comments on this recording:
STONE, BRICK, GLASS, WOOD, WIRE (GRAPHIC SCORES 1986-1996): Fred Frith
is it worth buying?
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net
ICQ: 96771783
http://nyds-exp-discogs.covers.de/
- --
The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live,
mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time,
the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn,
burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across
the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and
everybody goes "Awww!"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:31:41 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <r.takken@planet.nl>
Subject: Re: fred frith: stone, brick, glass, wood, wire
> any comments on this recording:
>
> STONE, BRICK, GLASS, WOOD, WIRE (GRAPHIC SCORES 1986-1996): Fred Frith
>
> is it worth buying?
>
> Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net
SBGWW (on Angelica records) always feels like a problematic live recording
to me. Even if you've been to one of those shows (I attended the Groningen
gig), it doesn't give you exactly what you would expect from a big
semi-improvising orchestra led by the composer himself.
This double cd set is made up of 5 different sound sources from years of
playing these scores. The title says 10 years, but the actual cd consists of
music dating from 1992 till 1996. Even this reduction resulted in an endless
patchwork of snippets with varying sound quality, and mismatching tonal
colours.
Frith's Graphic Scores musically fall between his improv work, and his
compositional/ orchestral projects, making it an interesting title in his
oeuvre. However: recording orchestras requires more than a cassette
recorder, or even an ADAT machine, in order to sound great in your living
room.
Solists and improvisers in these big line-up get drowned easily in the
slightly muffled sound. Ofcourse, Chris Cutler and Han Bennink are easy to
pick out on these live sessions: they make sure they are audible, that may
even be part of their percussion style.
But buying the record because a young Paolo Angeli, or Daan Vandewalle is
playing on it, might not be the wisest thing: they are not exactly exposed
well.
SBGWW is a document, no more, no less, be it with a great booklet including
all of the photographs the musicians used as 'scores'. I had to pay $50 to
get an imported copy...
Still, if Winter&Winter or Tzadik decided to produce a new version, recorded
with a consistent line-up in a beautiful recording space, I would definitely
buy it again. Now I am holding on to my rarely played Angelica-discs.
Regards, Remco Takken
- -
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:38:57 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Xenakis - "Palimpsest"
>From: "Adam Rock" <arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au>
>Just come across a copy of Xenakis' "Palimpsest" whilst browsing through
>the
>online catalogue of an independent record store. Is this CD worth investing
>in?
I would recommend this CD without reservation (if it's the one on Wergo with
Epei/Dikhthas/Akanthos), 2 instrumental ensemble pieces expertly played by
the group Spectrum (Barry Guy's on bass for Palimpsest), a piano violin duo
with Claude Helffer & Irvine Arditti, and a work for soprano voice &
ensemble. Wonderfully dense, slyly abstract stuff played with fire and
obvious enthusiasm...
np: Xenakis Epei
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:06:57 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu>
Subject: Broadway
What do you zornlisters think of Broadway and musical theatre in
general? I just had the displeasure of attending a chorus concert in
which they had some guest singers that specialized in ghastly belting
(they quite ruined "Summertime" for me). It's not that I don't enjoy
belting (love it when Patton does it), but in show tunes it doesn't do
it for me. I know lots of people who enjoy show tunes quite a bit and I
have no problem with those people, but I never quite understood them
myself. It's not a lack of experience, I've listened to countless
recordings and have seen a couple on stage (the least favorite being Les
Miserable). If some could explain what I'm missing, I would be
appreciative, but if I'm not missing anything that's alright too.
Zach
- -
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:57:58 -0800 (PST)
From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Broadway
the only show I really ejoyed was starlight express, the action and
visual stimulus kept my mind off of the storyline and music, I was also
dreaming about riding my skateboard around the set.
I agree with you, most musicals bore me to the point of anger and
potential agression.
np - steve coleman+5elements: opening of the way
- --- Zachary Steiner <zsteiner@butler.edu> wrote:
> What do you zornlisters think of Broadway and musical theatre in
> general? I just had the displeasure of attending a chorus concert in
> which they had some guest singers that specialized in ghastly belting
> (they quite ruined "Summertime" for me).
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:20:18 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <r.takken@planet.nl>
Subject: Re: Broadway
Subject: Broadway
> What do you zornlisters think of Broadway and musical theatre in
> general?
>
> Miserable). If some could explain what I'm missing, I would be
> appreciative, but if I'm not missing anything that's alright too.
>
> Zach
My dilettante approach to Broadway is, now that jazz improvisors tend to
overlook the great new musical songs to improvise over, there's no need for
me to know these contemporary originals anymore. Pop and rock songs might
have taken over this function of providing a 'meaningful vehicle for deep
soloing over a great tune we all know'.
it is kind of cool to philosophise over how some jazz tenor saxophone player
blows as if he sings you the lyrics through his horn. By knowing the actual
texts as a listener, an extra layer of meaning bubbles up.
when listening to some recent Sonny Rollins cd, I was just lucky to know
Frank Zappa's take on LEILANI, which was so bizarre, I seeked this tune out
to find a Mantovani version, but alas, without lyrics. Rollins is one of
those guys who is capable of completely taking the piss out of a show tune,
and doing something virtuosic and beautiful with it at the same time.
At the moment we don't know the tune, we stop understanding a portion of
what he is trying to say. So, if someone out there knows the lyrics to this
awkward little tune LEILANI, mail me...
That's why I believe it is such a good thing that people like Brad Mehldau,
Yuri Honing, Christof Lauer (and even Frank London) take rock songs into the
jazz world. It is that extra layer of understanding, the unsung lyrics, that
makes playing instrumental verisons of 'songs' so great.
Eh, that's all,
regards, Remco Takken
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