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Zorn List Digest       Friday, February 22 2002       Volume 03 : Number 795



In this issue:
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       Re: German websites
       Re: illbient
       cassette archeology
       re:Tomahawk?
       RE: Tomahawk?
       Re: Stomu Yamash'ta (No Zorn)
       ZORN-LIST ADMINISTRATION (Please Read Me)
       Evan Parker - Keith Rowe Collaborations
       Bladerunner 5/21/01 Victoriaville CDR(s)
       [no-JZ] coltrane live in europe
       Re: German websites
       Re: Stomu Yamash'ta (No Zorn)
       Shuggie in Austin Texas
       Re: Shuggie in Austin Texas
       Re: [no-JZ] coltrane live in europe
       Re: Evan Parker - Keith Rowe Collaborations
       A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)
       Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)
       Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)
       Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)
       Backwards Score
       livemusic in boston this weekend?
       Re: Backwards Score

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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:56:56 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: German websites

Efren,
Try to find out whether the Koln Loft Scene has anything going in Cologne.
This is a group of people doing good stuff over there. Frank Gratkowski is
one of them. If you know people who have something to do with the Moers New
Music Festival, contact them: last year, the Moers festival had a special
room (the famous Moers gymnastic classroom) dedicated to the current Cologne
scene, who also put out ltd edition cd's with their latest developments (my
sister bought some last year).

Also try to visit the A-Musik shop (sorry, no address, try the net), these
A-Musik guys lead you the way in their city. Cologne is great for cd-shops,
also modern classical.

For Dutch concerts, Koln might be a good city to approach the following
places:
Maastricht (jazz oriented mostly)
Eindhoven (good place: Wilhelmina, every monday)
Nijmegen (a new really experimental stage that goes by the name of
EXTRAPOOL, try to seek them out on the net)


improvised concerts in the Netherlands can be found at: www.jazzserver.org

Good luck, and good fun
Remco Takken




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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:06:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: illbient

There used to be a We mailing list that myself and some other zorn-list meme=
bers were part of. It seems to have disappeared. The last label We was on wa=
s Jungle Sky/Liquid Sky, DJ Soulslinger=92s label. They seem to have gone aw=
ay. There website is no more and there was some controversy over payment of=20=
artists, in particular 187/Jordana. Soulslinger is supposed to play some big=
 ass rave in NY in march (along with many others) so he=92s still working. A=
nyway, DJ Spooky is still touring and puttin out records and DJ Olive still=20=
shows up on recordings and gigs (Kim Gordon come to mind).

Here are some related labels with illbient type (or affiliated) artists:

 http://www.sound-ink.com/

http://www.bsi-records.com/

http://www.ismrecords.com/

If anyone knows anything more about what happened I=92d be interested in hea=
ring.

Footnote: Kim Gordon=92s SYR5 is really cool except for one major flaw, Kim=20=
Gordon. Ikue Mori and DJ Olive sound great together but when Kim sings it=
=92s all over IMHO.

- -Eric


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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:32:07 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Vuilleumier=2C_St=E9phane=22?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: cassette archeology

I was wondering if someone somewhere would be=20
crazy enough to sell cassette audio tapes ("commercial"
ones, I mean) of experimental music - and even=20
perhaps to have a website for the stuff.
The things I'd be looking for would be familiar to
this list I guess, e.g.=20

AGAINST NO WALL: Rebby Sharp
    1987 (?) - Artifacts (USA), Yclept #13013 (CT)

PASSED NORMAL VOL. #3: various artists
    1988 - FOT Records/Home Recordings (USA), Vol. #3 (CT)

or early Chadbournes tapes etc.

Thanks for any input...

St=E9phane


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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:54:47 -0000
From: "Alan Marshall" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:Tomahawk?

Hi

I saw FNM with Patton a few times in UK, both at festivals and small venues
they were excellent.

Last year, and a few years ago I saw Mr Bungle, again excellent.

Last year and year before I saw Fantomas which were you guessed it
excellent. Patton goes from playing up his rock star image to hating it, to
loving it somehow seamlessly! So I would say go see Tomahawk, especially if
you're a Jesus Lizard fan and/or a FNM/Patton fan. The music is more like
Jesus Lizard than FNM, but any show fronted by Patton is not to be missed
IMHO ;)

For tickets for the Zorn Barbican show go to www.barbican.org.uk I've only
seen Zorn once before live and that was at the Barbican 2 yrs ago. I enjoyed
that show so much I had to buy tickets for this one as soon as they were on
sale :)

It was extra interesting seeing Lombardo drum with Zorn at that date, then
with Fantomas a month or so later. Damn that guy's versatile!

Cheers

Al

> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:17:54 +0100 (CET)
> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Fwd: Tomahawk?
>
> Pat,
>
> Go! I wouldn't put it at such a high level as that of
> FNM but it's a Patton live performance and I wouldn't
> miss it for anything. I didn't like the record but
> I'll go to their concert in Barcelona on March 8,
> that's for sure.
> I'm even thinking of going to London to see Zorn's
> "The Gift" in March -if I'm not wrong-. I finally fell
> in love with the record although I hated it in the
> first place. Anyone knows where I can get more info of
> this concert? (ticket sales, prices, reservations,
> etc...).
>
> Thanks.
>
> EfrΘn del Valle
> >
> > Yeah... normaly they would have played in strasbourg
> > yesterday but it
> > was canceled... Fucking bad for me... But in fact
> > tomahawk is for me
> > a kind of new faith no more... So i like them it s
> > fun it reminds me
> > highschool...
> > A
> >
> >
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:32:06 +0100
> > >From: patRice <[e-mail]>
> > >Reply-To: [e-mail]
> > >X-Accept-Language: en
> > >To: Zornlist <[e-mail]>
> > >Subject: Tomahawk?
> > >Sender: [e-mail]
> > >
> > >
> > >Hey boys and girls
> > >
> > >Mike Patton will play in Zurich with his TOMAHAWK
> > project next week.
> > >
> > >Anyone ever seen them live?
> > >Recommended? Or not worth the trip?
> > >
> > >Can Tomahawk be compared with any of Patton's other
> > projects?
> > >
> > >Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > >patRice
> > >
> > >np: John Zorn, The Gift
> > >nr: Howard Marks, Mr. Nice
> > >
> > >
> > >-
> >



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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:46:35 -0500
From: "Jeni Dahmus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Tomahawk?

I found Tomahawk's live show disappointing. Perhaps something is wrong
with me... I enjoyed the beginning of the concert but became bored
later. The band was tight, Patton's voice was superb as usual, and he
was entertaining all dolled up in his half shirt and make-up. Yet the
performance, like the CD, felt somewhat predictable. After repeated
listenings, a few of the tracks have grown on me -- especially Point and
Click. In my opinion Tomahawk does not compare to Fantomas or Mr.
Bungle.

Nevertheless, I would see Tomahawk again should the opportunity arise. I
skipped the Lovage concert though (probably shouldn't admit this). My
reaction to Tomahawk's show may be due to the spoiled New Yorker
syndrome. I've been fortunate to see Mike Patton's various projects on a
regular basis.=20

Re: the Gift. I enjoyed the live performance more than the album.=20

Jeni

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patRice [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:32 AM
> To: Zornlist
> Subject: Tomahawk?
>=20
> Hey boys and girls
>=20
> Mike Patton will play in Zurich with his TOMAHAWK project next week.
>=20
> Anyone ever seen them live?
> Recommended? Or not worth the trip?
>=20
> Can Tomahawk be compared with any of Patton's other projects?
>=20
> Thanks for your help.
>=20
> patRice
>=20
> np: John Zorn, The Gift
> nr: Howard Marks, Mr. Nice

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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:44:30 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stomu Yamash'ta (No Zorn)

At 12:36 PM 2/21/02 +0000, Richard Gardner wrote:
>
>A quick check around the web shows him active in 1990 but nothing since. Is
>he still around making music?
>
>If anyone knows I would appreciate an update.

He performed at the Sacred Rhythm Festival in Bali at the millenium,
although I can't find any details of the performance.
- --

Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:02:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Rizzi <[e-mail]>
Subject: ZORN-LIST ADMINISTRATION (Please Read Me)

I'm going out of town for the next 10 days,
and won't be monitoring zorn-list administrative
requests...Sooooo, if you are having trouble
getting off the list, or your HUGE email isn't
being delivered to everyone else, or you use
special words (like s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e, c-a-n-c-el,
or h-e-l-p) it's not a conspiracy.  ;)

Also, sometime after I get back, we'll be firing
up MailMan and making the migration.

Also also, play nice....or I'll kick your asses.

mike

[e-mail]
- -----
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic
hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs.
There's also a negative side."     -- Hunter S. Thompson


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:18:36 +1100
From: "Adam Rock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Evan Parker - Keith Rowe Collaborations

Have Evan Parker and Keith Rowe performed on any albums together other than
"Dark Rags" and "Supersession"?

Thanks in advance,

Adam


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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:05:16 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Bladerunner 5/21/01 Victoriaville CDR(s)

Anyone know if this is on 1 disc or 2?  Thanx.

Ray


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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:47:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Albrecht Koschnik <[e-mail]>
Subject: [no-JZ] coltrane live in europe

Can somebody comment on the new or newish Pablo release, Coltrane--'Live
Trane, The European Tours'?!  According to the ad I've seen, this is a 7CD
set, Stockholm, Paris, Berlin, Hamburg, Stuttgart, 1961-63; supposedly ca.
20 tracks [?] *not* on previous Pablo Coltrane releases.

(Has this been discussed before?  My memory ...)

So far, I've avoided all this European live material in favor of the
Vanguard box.  Should I reconsider??  While I'm a big enough Coltrane
fan to enjoy a couple more versions of 'My Favorite Things,'
'Impressions,' etc., what do we get from these dates--solos, otherwise
unavailable titles, and the like--that's not to be found elsewhere.  What
about sound quality--can we hear Garrison and Tyner moderately well?  (the
entry on allmusic.com mumbles something about problems on this count)

As always: thanks, Albrecht


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:08:20 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: German websites

the only website I know is www.stadtgarten.de

some concerts are:

18th March  Wayne Horvitz Zony Mash @ K÷ln, Stadtgarten
23th April  Tim Berne Hard Cell @ K÷ln, Stadtgarten
27th April  WDR Orchestra premier of Dave Douglas: In Twilight Found
            w/ Dave Douglas, Erik Friedlander, Michael Sarin, Drew Gress,
Bryan Carrott @ K÷ln

Andreas

>I'm planning a trip to K÷ln within the next two
>months approx and would like to make it coincide with
>any good concerts or festivals in that area- maybe
>also
>Bonn or Netherlands. Any websites where I can check
>schedules in advance? (maybe too much advance but
>just in case...)


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:17:19 +0000
From: Richard Gardner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stomu Yamash'ta (No Zorn)

on 22/2/02 12:44 AM, Caleb T. Deupree at [e-mail] wrote:

> He performed at the Sacred Rhythm Festival in Bali at the millenium,
> although I can't find any details of the performance.

Thanks Caleb.

A slightly deeper search found:
Stomu Yamash'ta, percussion virtuoso, Kyoto, Japan
as a judge in the 1998-1999  UNESCO Prize for the Promotion of the Arts
Awards.

Shame, as he is obviously still active, that there has been no distributed
music for so long.

Steve, may be a new project for Cuneiform?

Richard Gardner


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:33:30 -0400
From: mwoodwor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Shuggie in Austin Texas

Hi there everyone - can anyone give me some good rec's of any music
spots or shops in Austin Texas - going to be there from March 6-10.

BTW thanks to however mentioned how good this Shuggie Otis reissue is -
I had never heard of him, but put it on after the Stangl/Kurzmann on
Erstwhile, and my brain is happy (whata double-bill)......

thanks for any advice,

mike


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:42:05 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Shuggie in Austin Texas

Waterloo Records is a big warehouse type setting for a record store.
Famous for putting everything together and separating genre by colored
dots.
http://www.waterloorecords.com/

Thirty Three Degrees is a small little shop but is very Zorn list friendly

http://www.thirtythreedegrees.com/

Unfortunately, Mark Dresser will be coming to Austin with his bass the
day after you leave.

James


At 08:33 AM 2/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi there everyone - can anyone give me some good rec's of any music
>spots or shops in Austin Texas - going to be there from March 6-10.
>
>BTW thanks to however mentioned how good this Shuggie Otis reissue is -
>I had never heard of him, but put it on after the Stangl/Kurzmann on
>Erstwhile, and my brain is happy (whata double-bill)......
>
>thanks for any advice,
>
>mike
>
>
>-


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:12:15 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [no-JZ] coltrane live in europe

Before you go further you should see the material on David Wild's Web site
<home.att.net/~dawild/index.htm> regarding the real origin of the
material on
the box.

The sound varies: Dolphy is not terribly well recorded on any of his
contributions. The rhythm section is muffled on a couple of sessions.
Garrison's humming is prominent on at least one session.

All that aside, there's some great stuff on it, and I think it's
important in
that it captures Trane in transition.

Here's the summary paragraph from a forthcoming review of it:

<<Live Trane captures a man in transition, moving rapidly to reach into
regions where no musician had previously gone. For all it flaws of sub-par
sound and botched cataloguing, this set is represents an essential document
for anyone interested in ColtraneÆs evolution, as well as the shift in jazz
from reliance on the American popular songbook to extended forms of
improvisation.>>

Hope all that helps you with your buying decision.

James Hale

Albrecht Koschnik wrote:

> Can somebody comment on the new or newish Pablo release, Coltrane--'Live
> Trane, The European Tours'?!

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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:10:04 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Evan Parker - Keith Rowe Collaborations

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:18:36 +1100  "Adam Rock" wrote:
>
> Have Evan Parker and Keith Rowe performed on any albums together other than
> "Dark Rags" and "Supersession"?

That's all I know.

    Patrice.


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:39:16 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)

Hi y'all...

For some time now I've wanted to buy a CD or two by A Tribe Called
Quest.

Any recommendations?

Thanks!!!

patRice

np: Mr. Bungle, Mr. Bungle
nr: Alex Kerr, Dogs & Demons


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:38:40 -0500
From: "Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)

> Hi y'all...
>
> For some time now I've wanted to buy a CD or two by A Tribe Called
> Quest.
> Any recommendations?

"The Low End Theory" is their masterpiece- it's the jazziest, and has the
best songs. But don't overlook "people's instinctive travels.....", their
debut- it truly catches them at their freshest, and has some classic songs.

The recently released "Anthology" is a good, comprehensive "greatest hits"
type deal........

But Tribe has some real stinkers in their discog....so beware their
catalogue after "the low end theory..."

horton


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:52:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)

i second the 'low end theory'...  but my biggest tribe reccomendation has to
be the CD that's been on nonstop play in my car for almost a week now -
'people's instinctive travels and the paths of rhythm'...  it's a really
great album, with (mostly) intelligent lyrics, and some silliness so it
doesn't drag you down.  the tune 'go ahead in the rain' really rocks out, as
does about 98% of the rest of the album.

love,
  k8.



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http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable)

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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:59:14 -0800
From: Fred Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!)

on 2/22/02 9:38 AM, Andrew at [e-mail] wrote:

> "The Low End Theory" is their masterpiece- it's the jazziest, and has the
> best songs. But don't overlook "people's instinctive travels.....", their
> debut- it truly catches them at their freshest, and has some classic songs.

I recommend the debut myself.  The songs are my favorite, and the sonic
aspect is gorgeous.

skip h


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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:23:44 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Backwards Score

My friend showed me a score by Gene Gutche where all of the notes are
written backwards (the stems are facing the opposite direction and when
they should be facing up they are facing down).  Does any one know
anything more of this piece like why it was written as such?

Zach



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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:27:07 -0800 (PST)
From: jason tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: livemusic in boston this weekend?

Do any bostonians have any favorite venues or specific gigs going on
this weekend that would be of interest?

I am so music starved moving from nyc up to nothern nh, all we have up
here are local folk singers.

Jay

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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:45:29 -0800
From: Fred Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Backwards Score

on 2/22/02 11:23 AM, Zachary Steiner at [e-mail] wrote:

> My friend showed me a score by Gene Gutche where all of the notes are
> written backwards (the stems are facing the opposite direction and when
> they should be facing up they are facing down).  Does any one know
> anything more of this piece like why it was written as such?
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -
>
Back thru the 1800s, that seemed to be a standard European method of stem
placement.

sh


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