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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:33:16 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu>
Subject: Scheherazade and Shepp
I recently rediscovered this piece of music. I enjoy it so much. There
are just parts that make me melt in sentimental piles of goo. Is this a
piece that is normally liked or scorned by true music experts (i.e. the
z-list members)?
I read some where that Archie Shepp was originally a playwright before
he turned to music. Is this true? Were his plays "good?" Did they have
the same quality as his music?
Zach
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:40:02 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: SHAKIRA! [was Re: Re: Britney]
In a message dated Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:23:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> writes:
> Let time decides what is art.
My first question about this entire "but is it art" thing is, is there anyone here who really listens to music simply because it's "art"? I mean, does this even enter the mind of people when they listen to music in the first place? Not meaning to pre-judge anyone, but I'd almost consider anyone who weighs their musical preferences from this angle is analogous to a person who engages in sex simply as an act of procreation.
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:48:27 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: SHAKIRA! [was Re: Re: Britney]
On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:40:02 EST Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:23:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> writes:
>
> > Let time decides what is art.
>
> My first question about this entire "but is it art" thing is, is there
> anyone here who really listens to music simply because it's "art"? I mean,
> does this even enter the mind of people when they listen to music in the
> first place? Not meaning to pre-judge anyone, but I'd almost consider
> anyone who weighs their musical preferences from this angle is analogous to
> a person who engages in sex simply as an act of procreation.
Being art or not is the least of my concerns. Art for me is what is in
museums. Basically art is what is left when the dust has settled.
Usually, nobody has a clue of what will end up in that category, but the
contenders are numerous ;-).
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:54:57 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: RE: SHAKIRA! [was Re: Re: Britney]
In a message dated Fri, 15 Feb 2002 2:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> writes:
> Clearly what we need here is a Politburo...
Or "Shoot first and then discuss what's acceptable" as Rule #1.
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:09:53 -0800
From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #782
>At 3:00 PM -0800 2/15/2002, D Dvb wrote:
>
>And a question for the list. Can anyone give me a good idea of what
>IDM is? I guess it stands for Intelligent Dance Music but that's
>vague to me. Recommended artists, albums etc would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
Virtually anything by Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boards of Canada,
anything on the Warp label.
>
>--davy, who never quite figured out what emo was either...
> I only have one Anthony Braxton Disc "Seven Compositions" any others I
> should check out?
There are two 7 Compositions albums -- one on Moers (i've never heard) and one on Hat, which may be the best thing Braxton has put out. Absolutely beautiful album, but long out of print and not enough people have heard it. (if it is that one, hold on to it and will it to someone you really care about -- it may be worth a fortune -- I've turned down some good offers for mine).
Anyway, as for what else: Dortmund and Willisau, and I think Santa Cruz have already been mentioned, and all are great discs, as is For Alto. One of my favorites is Creative Orchestra Koln 1978 -- Braxton himself only conducts, but the band is amazing, with very early work from some of the big names of today (Ehrlich, Ostertag, Hemingway, etc). I also like Eugene quite a bit, another large ensemble album that he doesn't play on. There was an issue last year on Hat called Basel of a quintet from late 70s that is extremely good... I could go on and on. Braxton is not only one of the most prolific musicians, he is also intriguing and if you get hooked, you're in deep (I'm at around 100 of his recordings now, and that's nowhere near complete -- though if I put is alongside Brian Olewnick's collection we may be close!).
Dan
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:08:53 -0500
From: "Brian Olewnick" <olewnick@gis.net>
Subject: Re: Braxton
>Braxton is not only one of the most prolific musicians, he is also
intriguing and if you get hooked, >you're in deep (I'm at around 100 of his
recordings now, and that's nowhere near complete -- >though if I put is
alongside Brian Olewnick's collection we may be close!).
Damn, you've got me outstripped, Dan. I'm at only about 70; besides, I bet
Martinelli makes us both look like pikers. But I haven't been getting many
the last couple of years; too many duos with students etc. Although I
thought Composition 247, for two reeds and accordeon (on Leo), was one of
the best things I heard last year. Very much unlike anything else he's done,
almost a Braxton take on ecstatic music a la Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (and
featuring one of the more interesting young sax players around, James Fei).
People have mentioned most of the Brax I'd recommend, including the
impossible to find items on Arista, but I'd also suggest hearing some of the
solo recordings besides 'For Alto'. Some are rare (ones on Impetus, Ring and
Inner City), but you can probably still locate things like the Hat Wesleyan
set around.
Also, the duo set with Bailey from 1974 is a necessity.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:42:42 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu>
Subject: RE: Scheherazade and Shepp
>> I have no idea what record you are talking about. Can you tell me the
title, label, and release year?
I guess you're talking about Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov. Big
sprawling epic symphony. Famous violin solo. I'm more partial to the
oboe solos, though. Don't know when it was written. I want to say
around the turn of the century (last one) give or take 10-20 years.
There are numerous versions in print, I'm sure they are pretty
comparable. Though, is there a definitive version?
Zach
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:46:55 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #782
on 02.02.15 6:00 PM, D Dvb at d_dvb@hotmail.com wrote:
> If you go to ECM website, you can import Circle's Paris Concert from Germany
> for less than $35 (I don't remember how much).
I have an extra LP version, if who was that is interested I'll be glad to
check it out and see what condition it's condition is in...
