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Zorn List Digest       Monday, February 11 2002       Volume 03 : Number 775



In this issue:
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       NYC downtown photography/sun ship
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #774--Carter Scholz
       Re: NYC downtown photography/sun ship
       Re: (My Recap): Britney, Glenn Gould, Bj=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=rk
       Odp: Absinthe trip suggestion...
       =?iso-8859-1?Q?Odp:_=28My_Recap=29:_Britney=2C_Glenn_Gould=2C_Bj=F6rk?=
       Re: [chi-improv] "Dig this:"
       Re: Previte
       RE: Filmworks/Filmtracks 2000
       RE: Previte
       RE: piazzolla.

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:51:50 GMT
From: "nors5379" <[e-mail]>
Subject: NYC downtown photography/sun ship

i was curious if anybody could point me in the right
direction of a photo archive i found about 6 months ago that
was maintained by possibly a german or russian fellow that
photographs many shows around the NYC area. mostly at the
tonic from what i can gather out of my memory. i remember
the url having something like ...downtown.com? if you know
what im talking about i would be forever grateful if you
sent me the link. i've been searching and searching to find
this elusive site once again.

also i must second coltrane's 'sun ship' as a catalyst
towards my appreciation of his music. i had the obvious a
love supreme in my collection, but it did not strike me
quite as much as 'sun ship' did the first time i heard it.
theres a bass solo very late in the disc that makes me
shiver each time i hear it.

what i find very hard, as a relatively new person to jazz,
is that there is such an abundance of recordings that its
very hard to pick a beginning spot. so i find it nice that
these arguements of "miles sucks or yeah miles!" occur
because i can create an idea of what to check out. though i
must admit i am not much of a miles fan, while many of my
friends are. i just cant find what everyone cherishes and
speaks about with my own ears. but i wont deny that he's an
amazing musician because he obviously is.
- -darryl.
Darryl Norsen
db.etree.org/shortround
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

if I were an easy bright boy I think
I would say something like, "cleaning
the fingernails with a dirty fingernail
file is a form of masterbation." and I
would probably win a scholarship, a grant,
the king's sword on shoulder and 14 hot
pieces of ass. -charles bukowski


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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:59:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #774--Carter Scholz

That's the book.  It was the very best of the ones (3 or 4) that I read on
the series.

Jerry

> PALIMPSESTS, by Carter Scholz and Glenn Harcourt. In
>  the New Ace Science Fiction Specials series edited by
>  Terry Carr around '83-'85. I have a copy around here
>  somewhere, but can't find it. I remember the
>  experience of enjoying it quite a bit, but, it being
>  fairly Pynchonesque, couldn't begin to tell you at
>  this date what it's "about."

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:59:35 +0100
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYC downtown photography/sun ship

Hello Darryl,

Monday, February 11, 2002, you wrote to me:

n> i was curious if anybody could point me in the right
n> direction of a photo archive i found about 6 months ago that
n> was maintained by possibly a german or russian fellow that
n> photographs many shows around the NYC area. mostly at the
n> tonic from what i can gather out of my memory. i remember
n> the url having something like ...downtown.com? if you know
n> what im talking about i would be forever grateful if you
n> sent me the link. i've been searching and searching to find
n> this elusive site once again.

It cannot be easier. The guy is me, the link is
http://www.downtownmusic.net/.

NP: Paris Combo "Paris Combo" (CD), On N'a Pas Besoin [4:09]
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/


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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:31:34 -0800
From: skip heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (My Recap): Britney, Glenn Gould, Bj=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=rk

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on 2/11/02 11:39 AM, [e-mail] at [e-mail] wrote:

I've worked with her a couple of times, and i didnt see any skill, or
professionalism. But really, i dont care......  Props to her management team
though, they did a great job.

Jody

I'll buy that.  Is her dance coach attacthed to her hip at all times? That
would certainly help.  OTOH, props to her for fooling me.

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:50:02 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Absinthe trip suggestion...

> I really go along with that. A lot of people including the Penguin Guide
put
> it down as a kind of worthless afterthought but I rate it as a wonderfully

The best NC record for me


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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:54:02 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Odp:_=28My_Recap=29:_Britney=2C_Glenn_Gould=2C_Bj=F6rk?=

- ----- Original Message -----
From: skip heller <[e-mail]>

> Funny thing -- I don't enjoy listening to her, but I admire her skill and
> professionalism in the way I give it up to Barry Manilow (and not, say,
Neil

I like the way her stuff is recorded - really liked the very close recording
of vocals on 'oops, i did it again'. Well done.


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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:21:38 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [chi-improv] "Dig this:"

on 02.02.11 12:10 PM, Margaret Davis at [e-mail] wrote:

> even Rick
> Lopez himself seems to have forgotten about
> it.

Apologia Marggee. But mine was always preference-driven, locked into a form
chosen for and separated from the main body of the letter, and yours was
not, and so I thought you were over-reacting as you sometimes do, no
offense, and so yes, I'm sorry, and what the hell???  My lack of perfect
responses lately is very debilitating.

Repeat after me: PER-CO-DAN.

back to the couch,
RL
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:14:06 -0500
From: Craig S Nixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Previte

Sean Westergaard wrote:
> i just played a tune from it on my radio show this morning that was
really
> nice, but that's all i've heard.  Ray Anderson, Marty Ehrlich, Wayne
Horvitz
> (piano), Bobby and I'm spacing on the bass player.  solid line-up,
atrocious
> cover art.

The bassist is Steve Swallow and, indeed, it is a good one. As usual many
reprises of themes from earlier works, mainly "Hue and Cry", a disc that
I was glad to hear someone here praise as their favorite among Bobby's
work. As on the earlier "Pushing The Envelope" Ehrlich is on his
less-seldom heard tenor, and Anderson and Horvitz are in fine form as
well. Swallow is relegated to a largely subliminal role in the mix, a
minor quibble compared to the hack job done in the mixing of Ehrlich's
own (otherwise beautiful) "Song", and enja release from last year.

If you received the promo release the cover art does indeed suck, and
doesn't give a clue as to what exactly is Joe Bowie's contribution here.
I had to check out the press release for any info on that. In light of
the 9/11 events, the exploding building graphics have been replaced and a
.jpg of the re-worked cover art is available.

Now, over to Steve Smith for a proper review....

craig nixon
revolution in sound
greenville, sc
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:26:00 -0300
From: "Hugo Linares" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Filmworks/Filmtracks 2000

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I have to disagree with you, Theo. It's my first Laswell, and in my =
humble opinion it's weak and boring.
Don't think Laswell's an overrated musician, do I?

Later,

Hugo Linares
NP: Franz Koglmann_Venus in Transit_(Between the lines). Probably a =
"cold" recording on a first listening by this incredible Austrian =
composer & trumpeter, but  worth the price after repeated listenings.
There's a impresive cast of "stars" that includes Chris Speed, Michael =
Rabinowitz (bassoon), Mat Maneri (viola) and Dave Fiuczynski among =
others.
Europe also rules!

  ----- Mensaje original -----=20
  De: Theo Klaase=20
  Para: Zorn List=20
  Enviado: Lunes 11 de Febrero de 2002 12:32 PM
  Asunto: Filmworks/Filmtracks 2000


       Those of you who really enjoy JZ's Filmworks
  series take a hard look at Bill Laswell's recent
  release on Tzadik called "Filmtracks 2000..."  Really
  good stuff...


  __________________________________________________
  Do You Yahoo!?
  Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:01:34 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Previte

Craig:

That review was as proper as anything I could write at the moment, and I'm
with you as to the disc's good points. If it didn't blow me away, it's
because A) it's a pretty low key blowing record by Bobby's standards, at
least as regards compositional rigor, and B) I'm much more absorbed at the
moment by his new Tzadik disc, which really does fully realize the Miro
pieces more than the live demo from the UK tour did.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - something by Shirley Horn...

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Craig S Nixon
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:14 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Previte


Sean Westergaard wrote:
> i just played a tune from it on my radio show this morning that was
really
> nice, but that's all i've heard.  Ray Anderson, Marty Ehrlich, Wayne
Horvitz
> (piano), Bobby and I'm spacing on the bass player.  solid line-up,
atrocious
> cover art.

The bassist is Steve Swallow and, indeed, it is a good one. As usual many
reprises of themes from earlier works, mainly "Hue and Cry", a disc that
I was glad to hear someone here praise as their favorite among Bobby's
work. As on the earlier "Pushing The Envelope" Ehrlich is on his
less-seldom heard tenor, and Anderson and Horvitz are in fine form as
well. Swallow is relegated to a largely subliminal role in the mix, a
minor quibble compared to the hack job done in the mixing of Ehrlich's
own (otherwise beautiful) "Song", and enja release from last year.

If you received the promo release the cover art does indeed suck, and
doesn't give a clue as to what exactly is Joe Bowie's contribution here.
I had to check out the press release for any info on that. In light of
the 9/11 events, the exploding building graphics have been replaced and a
.jpg of the re-worked cover art is available.

Now, over to Steve Smith for a proper review....

craig nixon
revolution in sound
greenville, sc
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:25:25 -0300
From: "Hugo Linares" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: piazzolla.

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I accept the reasons of your choice, but let me disagree with you, so =
that if you really like to listen to "a perfectly dirty violin's =
playing" you'll have to dig in the roots, I mean Fernando Suarez Paz, an =
outstanding Argentinian violinist. You can check his playing out on =
Piazzolla's "The Central ark Concert" (Chesky Records), among others =
recordings.

Later,

Hugo Linares
NP: Tiziano Tononi & The Society of Freely Sincopated Organic Pulses _We =
did it, we did it!_ (Splasch Records). Music of Rahsaan Roland Kirk, =
Duke Ellington, Fats Waller, Sidney Bechet, Charles Mingus, Archie =
Shepp, Thelonious Monk, John Coltrane, Stevie Wonder, Jimi Hendrix, Bob =
Marley "as seen, felt and re-interpreted by Tiziano Tononi".=20
Outstanding, terrific, amazing triple cd set. Herb Robertson, Gianluigi =
Trovesi, Michel Godard, and other great musicians will "burn" your ears =
forever.
Don't miss Andrea Rainoldi on samplers, turntables and electronic =
devices!
By the way, Tononi's plays drums, percussion and siren!


  ----- Mensaje original -----=20
  De: [e-mail]=20
  Para: [e-mail]=20
  Enviado: Lunes 11 de Febrero de 2002 03:11 AM
  Asunto: piazzolla.


  i pick the gidon kremer recording(s) over piazzolla's own, simply =
because i=20
  think that gidon kremer's violin playing is perfectly dirty and=20
  sexy/beautiful at the same time, and i love the arrangements on his =
CDs. =20
  maybe the one exception i would make is the live disc, "adios nonino", =
which=20
  completely rules.


  -----
  [ .n o t h i n g  i s  w h a t  i s  s a i d. ]

  .k a t e  p e t e r s o n.
  .c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r.
  <A HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
  http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
  <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.icefoundation.org">http://www.icefoundation.org</A> =20
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<DIV>I accept the reasons of your choice, but let me disagree =
with you, so=20
that if you really like to listen to "a perfectly dirty violin's =
playing"=20
you'll have to dig in the roots, I mean Fernando Suarez Paz, an =
outstanding=20
Argentinian violinist. You can check his playing out on Piazzolla's "The =
Central=20
ark Concert" (Chesky Records), among others recordings.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Later,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hugo Linares</DIV>
<DIV>NP: Tiziano Tononi & The Society of Freely =
Sincopated Organic=20
Pulses _We did it, we did it!_ (Splasch Records). Music of Rahsaan =
Roland Kirk,=20
Duke Ellington, Fats Waller, Sidney Bechet, Charles Mingus, Archie =
Shepp,=20
Thelonious Monk, John Coltrane, Stevie Wonder, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Marley =
"as=20
seen, felt and re-interpreted by Tiziano Tononi". </DIV>
<DIV>Outstanding, terrific, amazing triple cd set. Herb Robertson, =
Gianluigi=20
Trovesi, Michel Godard, and other great musicians will "burn" your ears=20
forever.</DIV>
<DIV>Don't miss Andrea Rainoldi on samplers, turntables and electronic=20
devices!</DIV>
<DIV>By the way, Tononi's plays drums, percussion and siren!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Para:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]"=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Enviado:</B> Lunes 11 de Febrero de =
2002=20
  03:11 AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Asunto:</B> piazzolla.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>i pick the gidon kremer recording(s) over piazzolla's =
own,=20
  simply because i <BR>think that gidon kremer's violin playing is =
perfectly=20
  dirty and <BR>sexy/beautiful at the same time, and i love the =
arrangements on=20
  his CDs.  <BR>maybe the one exception i would make is the live =
disc,=20
  "adios nonino", which <BR>completely rules.<BR><BR><BR>-----<BR>[ .n o =
t h i n=20
  g  i s  w h a t  i s  s a i d. ]<BR><BR>.k a t =
e  p e=20
  t e r s o n.<BR>.c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r.<BR><A=20
  HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html"><BR><A=20
  =
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  HREF=3D"http://www.icefoundation.org"><A=20
  =
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