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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, February 5 2002       Volume 03 : Number 750



In this issue:
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       Re: the business end
       Re: Bjorkasaurus
       Axis of Evil
       Naked City live on DVD...
       Re: Frisell Sells Out
       Re: French pock/rop
       Re:  Naked City live on DVD
       Re: French pock/rop
       Re: Naked City live on DVD
       Independent Groups
       Re: alasnoaxis
       Re: alasnoaxis
       Re: alasnoaxis
       Re:  Naked City live on DVD

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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:52:31 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the business end

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:11:31 -0800  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> while we're on the subject of the business end, can somebody answer me
> this: guys like braxton and lacy especially, but anybody who records for
> small labels -- are they making any money off those records? did lacy or
> david murray make "much" money when they were recording four or six or 10
> CDs a year? or is it purely an artistic endeavor to record a Cd that sells,
> presumably, a few thousand?

Can't talk for Braxton, but Lacy expects some money in advance. Even with the
infamous BYG records from the late sixties, Lacy got paid, but only once (and
I guess it was not a lot). Is he making money with these records? A quick
evaluation of the number of records he put out in the past years multiplied
by the money he received for them (guess), that will add up to a nice number
for pocket money, but not enough to sustain a living.

    Patrice.

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:56:00 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bjorkasaurus

Skip Heller([e-mail])@Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 06:08:07PM -0800:
> They're one of the few that's been allowed to keep their big name acts after
> hooking up with a major.  Whoever drafted their aggreement was very crafty.

Well it also seems that artists just seem to enjoy staying with them. Anyone
got a contact in Matador A&R? ;)

m
http://craque.net


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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:04:27 +0100
From: duncan youngerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Axis of Evil

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>
> Can someone please seriously explain to me what (bj÷rk,) chantal goya,
> france gall, henri salvador, ... and the names dropping of two dozen
> middle- to sub-par french speaking bands / singers, have to do with anything?

I just know they have every little thing to do with Iannis Xenakis, gangsta rap,
Indian Carnatic music, Cecil Taylor, hillbilly, Weather Report, Orson Welles,
Jewish and Hutu Radical cultures, and above all, The Axis of Evil.

DY.


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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:30:17 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naked City live on DVD...

...but only one track! I just bought a DVD called "The Jazz Club Highlights
1990" (sic!) TDK Recording Media Europe S.A (c) 2001. The Naked City track
is very slow, I can't recognise it, although I'm pretty familiar with their
live repertoire. It's called "Mystery Song" but I'm sure it's not the real
title, the producer probably coundn't recognise the title either. Apart from
NC you can see Steps Ahead, Archie Shepp, Mike Stern, Petrucciani... It was
recorded during "Haus Jazz Tage, Ostern 1990". Look at some screenshots at
http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/artists/n/naked_city/photos.htm

    __________________________________________________________________
    Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] muzyka.emd.pl


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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:00:16 -0500
From: Mark Saleski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell Sells Out

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Skip Heller:
>I knew the guy (he died) who was doing what ECM publicity he could while at
>Warners.  If his words are to be taken as true, anything at all would be a
>big improvement.


it bet they were. i seem to remember reading some interview with metheny
(who i think had a pretty big falling out with eicher) where he
basically said that ecm runs a very cheap operation despite their
outward "image" (glossy album cover art).

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"Music is spiritual. The music business is not." - Van Morrison


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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:15:44 +0100
From: duncan youngerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: French pock/rop

Patrick Carey a =E9crit :

> Following up, little comments here and there =2E=2E=2E
>
> * duncan youngerman <y-man@wanadoo=2Efr>
> >Of the classic 60's chanson singer/songwriter generation, there's
> >Jacques Brel and Barbara, on a par in their domain with Dylan or
> >Joni Mitchell in theirs (Georges Brassens and L=3DE9o Ferr=3DE9 deserve
> >mention as well=3D2E)
>
> I enjoy both Brel & Barbara, but still need to explore their work
> in more depth=2E  Who would you compare Brassens and Ferr=3DE9 to,
> if you had to? :)

Brassens is a very fine poet/songwriter, with cleverly woven medieval and
mythological references (if you understand french)=2E
His own singing and guitar playing, though, are a bit monotonous and gruffy,
though, imho=2E
Barbara spent years singing his songs (and Brel's) before she found her own
songwriting voice, and the Philips/Polygram Vol=2E2 (1960/61/62) "Barbara ch=
ante
Brassens et Brel" fully documents this=2E Her interpretations of Brassens ar=
e
superb, she totally fulfills his songs' melifluent potential (her "Penelope"
is bliss)=2E
This just to suggest you might want to kill 2 birds with 1 stone by getting
this cd: as an intro to the world of Brassens, with great Barbara singing=2E

Leo Ferre is also a very fine poet/songwriter, more combatively anarchist in
his texts, emotional in his singing=2E His voice has a vulnerable quality,
reminiscent in some ways of Willie Nelson's or Neil Young's=2E His most famo=
us
song "Avec le temps" is intense and beautiful but not recommended for the
depressive=2E
I don't happen to know of the right cd to recommend, but his 60's work
(including the aforementioned song) is generally considered classic (I don't
think you can go wrong there or with a "best of"-type cd either)=2E

> >I have a weakness for singer Patricia Kaas, her low raspy voice
> >coupled with some of the more-than-decent blues-rock songs written
> >for her in the late 80's/early 90's made her, at least for a while,
> >a credible French pop star=2E
>
> I have heard some Kass as well, that I liked, but not all=2E  Would
> you recommend any album(s) in particular?  I assume her recent
> stuff is no longer of interest?

She has a greatest hits cd out right now (on Universal, I believe) that shou=
ld
be no problem getting anywhere=2E
The 1994 live cd "Tour de Charme" has most of her best songs and gives a ver=
y
good overview=2E
The song "Je te dis vous" on it drives me wild (it's not that well known) (t=
he
album by that title also has a great studio version)=2E
Since the early-mid 90's nothing essential=2E
She's the star of an upcoming film by Claude Lelouch, her first: "And now,
ladies and gentlemen", with Jeremy Irons, where she's a cabaret singer=2E

> =2E  I personally think
> French is a great language to rhyme/flow in (very smooth),

Definitely, but US-driven pop has desensitized most guys and girls from the
power of their own language=2E

>
> >Bj=F6rk's ears will never be in the same league as Gainsbourg's
> >(without very costly plastic surgery, that is) !!
>
> Ha!!  Serge's ears on her and a collage cover like "Vu de l'ext=E9rieur"
> would be amusing =2E=2E=2E "Bj=F6rk sings Gainsbourg", which I don't think
> I'd want, even though I enjoy Bj=F6rk=2E

Would'nt be any more bizzare than Jane Birkin!

Best,
DY=2E

>
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:19:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Naked City live on DVD

First of all, I was wondering if anyone knew where to get this live DVD or
any other live Naked City performances (DVD or VHS).  Second (and a trivial
matter I might add) is that I first saw John Zorn live about 2 years ago.  He
was wearing camouflage pants.  In the next 8 or so times I saw him, he had
the same pants on.  About a year ago, I saw a picture of him in the NY Times
and he had the pants on again.  I just looked at the pics on the website
recommended of the Naked City live from 1990.  Guess what?  He is wearing the
pants.

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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:25:29 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: French pock/rop

    Great list of recommendation from Duncan.

On Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:15:44 +0100  duncan youngerman wrote:
>
> > I enjoy both Brel & Barbara, but still need to explore their work
> > in more depth.  Who would you compare Brassens and Ferr=E9 to,
> > if you had to? :)
>
> Brassens is a very fine poet/songwriter, with cleverly woven medieval and
> mythological references (if you understand french).
> His own singing and guitar playing, though, are a bit monotonous and gruffy,
> though, imho.

Brassens appears to me like a product that would suffer export. The emphasis
on texts is really strong with him and because of the total lack of flashiness
in the music (usually acoustic guitar and stand up bass) I am not too sure how
people who don't understand him would react (in fact I know a little bit
because I sneaked some of his songs on tapes, and nobody really paid atten-
tion).

> Leo Ferre is also a very fine poet/songwriter, more combatively anarchist in
> his texts, emotional in his singing. His voice has a vulnerable quality,
> reminiscent in some ways of Willie Nelson's or Neil Young's. His most famous
> song "Avec le temps" is intense and beautiful but not recommended for the
> depressive.

Ferre's delivery is so strong that I can imagine liking him without under-
standing him. In fact, Ferre even had a record in the late sixties with a
rock band (Zao?).

    Patrice.

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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:29:30 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naked City live on DVD

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:19:00 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> First of all, I was wondering if anyone knew where to get this live DVD or
> any other live Naked City performances (DVD or VHS).  Second (and a trivial
> matter I might add) is that I first saw John Zorn live about 2 years ago.  He
> was wearing camouflage pants.  In the next 8 or so times I saw him, he had
> the same pants on.  About a year ago, I saw a picture of him in the NY Times
> and he had the pants on again.  I just looked at the pics on the website
> recommended of the Naked City live from 1990.  Guess what?  He is wearing the
> pants.

He has two pairs of these pants. Basically it works like that: when he is
wearing pair A, pair B is usually at the dry cleaner on E. 7th St. I did not
verify but according to some rumours, the same seems to apply when he is
wearing pair B (read: pair A is at the dry cleaner). Unfortunately I have not
been able to gather the same level of information concerning the T-shirts.

    Patrice (always eager to help).


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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:47:07 -0800
From: Chris Selvig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Independent Groups

Zach,
   Accessibility is another of those nebulous qualities, y'know.  I'll
probably get in trouble for saying this, but I wouldn't worry too much
about accessibility - if you can afford to book someone you really believe
in, go for it.  If the Phish fans on campus are mad that you brought some
wailing free-jazz group, they can get it together and bring Phish
themselves.  When I was in college, I was more interested in noise-rock,
but we managed to get some great bands (Cows, Doo Rag) out to isolated
Santa Fe.  Sure, there were only a few Cows fans on campus, but we raised
the money and booked the bands and there was nothing stopping others from
doing the same; they just didn't care enough to do it.
   You might see if Matt W from Colorado College will correspond with you
about this, since he seems to be connected with CC's recent parade of
world-class improvisors.  There are a few organizations in the Bay Area
that put on lots of experimental/improv concerts, and I'd imagine they'd be
happy to give you some tips.  TUVA Space may be reached at
[e-mail], and the Luggage Store Gallery's concert series is run by
Ernesto Diaz-Infante, I think, [e-mail].
   Good luck!

Chris Selvig


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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:39:07 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: alasnoaxis

on 02.02.05 10:42 AM, Tom Benton at [e-mail] wrote:

> when both Black and Chris Speed were asked "Who is one person you are
> still looking forward to playing with and why?" (in interviews at
> allaboutjazz.com), they both answered to the effect of: "Bjork.  Do I need
> a reason?"

Yeah! So there yuo naysayers! You weiners! Yeah!!!

Take that!
RL
- ----------
[  All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k  ]

Sessionographies :
CRISPELL;  IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE.

Discographies :
COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN.

Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN;
HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag;
ETC.,
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:56:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: alasnoaxis

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Rick Lopez wrote:

> > when both Black and Chris Speed were asked "Who is one person you are
> > still looking forward to playing with and why?" (in interviews at
> > allaboutjazz.com), they both answered to the effect of: "Bjork.  Do I need
> > a reason?"
>
> Yeah! So there yuo naysayers! You weiners! Yeah!!!
>
> Take that!
> RL

Since my sarcasm detector is low on batteries today, I'm going to go ahead
and say that it was not my intention to imply that the opinions of Black
and/or Speed should warrant Bjork some reconsideration from any members of
this esteemed list (hell, Zorn probably *loves* the Shaggs, which doesn't
mean I wouldn't still blast each and every one of their CDs into space
given the opportunity).  Rather, as I put it in a private email to Ken
Waxman, it should give the fans in the house a great Bjork album to ponder.
That is all.

So, um, how about that Buckethead, eh?


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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:16:54 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: alasnoaxis

on 02.02.05 4:56 PM, Tom Benton at [e-mail] wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Rick Lopez wrote:
>
>>> when both Black and Chris Speed were asked "Who is one person you are
>>> still looking forward to playing with and why?" (in interviews at
>>> allaboutjazz.com), they both answered to the effect of: "Bjork.  Do I need
>>> a reason?"
>>
>> Yeah! So there yuo naysayers! You weiners! Yeah!!!
>>
>> Take that!
>> RL
>
> Since my sarcasm detector is low on batteries today, I'm going to go ahead
> and say that it was not my intention to imply that the opinions of Black
> and/or Speed should warrant Bjork some reconsideration from any members of
> this esteemed list (hell, Zorn probably *loves* the Shaggs, which doesn't
> mean I wouldn't still blast each and every one of their CDs into space
> given the opportunity).  Rather, as I put it in a private email to Ken
> Waxman, it should give the fans in the house a great Bjork album to ponder.
> That is all.

And I apologize, as I am medicated today (some very pleasant pain pills) and
should probably keep my childish mitts off the keyboard when I'm feeling
this giddy.

My reply wasn't immature or anything, *was* it???

slinking away,
RL
- ----------
[  All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k  ]

Sessionographies :
CRISPELL;  IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE.

Discographies :
COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN.

Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN;
HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag;
ETC.,
- ----------
*** THINGS 4 SALE ***  [Updated: 01.12.01]
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html




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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:20:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Naked City live on DVD

In a message dated 2/5/02 3:19:48 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< First of all, I was wondering if anyone knew where to get this live DVD or
any other live Naked City performances (DVD or VHS).  Second (and a trivial
matter I might add) is that I first saw John Zorn live about 2 years ago.  He
was wearing camouflage pants.  In the next 8 or so times I saw him, he had
the same pants on.  About a year ago, I saw a picture of him in the NY Times
and he had the pants on again.  I just looked at the pics on the website
recommended of the Naked City live from 1990.  Guess what?  He is wearing the
pants.   >>

I saw him a year ago and he was wearing red camoflage pants that clashed
brilliantly with his bright orange polo shirt.


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