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Zorn List Digest       Sunday, February 3 2002       Volume 03 : Number 738



In this issue:
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       Susie Ibarra Trio?
       Review:  Jim O'Rourke:  =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m_?= Happy, And  =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m_?= Singing, And a 1,2,3,4
       G.F. Fitzgerald
       Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?
       Re: Bjornette again?
       RE: Susie Ibarra Trio?
       Re: Bjornette again?
       Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?
       Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?
       Re: Bjornette again?
       RE: Bjornette again?
       Re: G.F. Fitzgerald
       Re: new to the list
       Re: G.F. Fitzgerald
       Re: Zorn plays Zappa
       Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?
       mark dresser trio was tonight...
       Re: French pock/rop Henri Salvador
       =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=
       Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?
       Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?

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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:12:51 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Susie Ibarra Trio?

At 04:53 PM 2/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
I saw Songbird Suite at the local shop and it looked interesting, but
unfortunately Tzadik's website has no samples.  Perhaps anyone here might
have heard and can describe this?  I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before,
so....  How much input does Mori have?

THanks.


- ---
Peace Hugs and Unity                    Jason J. Tar
                 W.      W.      J.      D?
                        (What would Jason Do?)
                          ICQ@13792120



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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:59:42 -0500
From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Review:  Jim O'Rourke:  =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m_?= Happy, And  =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m_?= Singing, And a 1,2,3,4

A few months ago, I asked for the list for reviews on O'Rourke's album
"Insignificance" (Drag City, 2001).  I think there was one or two posters
who had heard the album and gave it a thumbs down.  Based on this
information, I did not purchase it.  However, since that time I have had
the opportunity to hear it and, in its defense, I have to say that it is
not at all a wretched record.  A couple of the songs are nice and
marginally catchy pop songs.  The chief flaw of the record is that it is a
relatively pale imitation of "Bad Timing" released three or four years
earlier. =20

That said, I maintained some interest in O'Rourke's most recent record
because (i) it's not a pop song, (ii) he doesn't sing on it, and (iii) it
has a nice title.  So here is a review.

Label:MEGO 050
Artist: Jim O=B4Rourke
Title: I=B4m Happy, And I=B4m Singing, And a 1,2,3,4
Release: January, 2002

To my knowledge, I don't think I have a solo computer record by anyone.  It
seems that those records just aren't my cup of tea.  However, I have
listened to this album four or five times since I have had it all the way
through (an unprecedented event for me with this sort of record).  It's
very listenable, very accessible, and sort of fun.  To be honest, I was
afraid that a solo computer album was going to have a lot of digital
gadgetry that may be pressing the frontiers of experimental music but is
dull to sit down and listen to for 40 minutes.  So, I was pleasantly
surprised at the musical extent of all three tracks.  Very musical, very
melodic (given the fact that its a solo computer project).  This cd harkens
back to O'Rourke's earlier composer days, which were fine and enlightening
days indeed.  Here I am thinking of "A Young Person's Guide To Drowning" on
"Disengage" (Staaltape/Korm Plastics, STCD 048/KP 4294, 1992) & "Scend"
(Divided, DIV01, 1992). =20

To better explain what I am getting at, I should compare "I=B4m Happy, And
I=B4m Singing, And a 1,2,3,4" to "The Magic Sound of Fenno'Berg" (Mego 031),
which also was released on Mego in 1999, which featured O'Rourke, Christian
Fennesz, and Peter Rehberg, and which I have never made it all the way
through.  That record is a pastiche of gimmicky computer bits that is
totally uninteresting to me.  So, if you thought "The Magic Sound of
Fenno'Berg" was a very fine record (and there have been many positive
things said of it on this list) then bear in mind that "I=B4m Happy, And I=
=B4m
Singing, And a 1,2,3,4" isn't much like it.

That's all.

David K.



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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:59:50 -0500
From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: G.F. Fitzgerald

I recently got my hands on a copy of
Caroline Records C 1518 Guitar solos 2
Derek Bailey/Fred Frith/G.F. Fitzgerald/Hans Reichel
All tracks recorded in December 1975 or January 1976.

It is a very fine record but one peculiar thing is that
three of these four guitarists are luminaries in their
field and the other I have never heard of outside this
record.  Does anyone know who G.F. Fitzgerald is/was
and how he came to be on a compilation with these other
three superstars?

David K.

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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:42:11 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?

on 2/2/02 7:12 PM, Jason J. Tar at [e-mail] wrote:

 I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before,
> so....

Should we allow this guy to stay on the list?

- --Mike


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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:56:24 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bjornette again?

on 2/2/02 1:06 PM, thomas chatterton at [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Any word on the rumoured collaboration between Bjork and Ornette?
>
>
They've been trying to get Skip Heller to produce it, but so far, no go.

- --Mike


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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:57:45 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Susie Ibarra Trio?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Mike Chamberlain
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:42 PM

> on 2/2/02 7:12 PM, Jason J. Tar at [e-mail] wrote:
>
>  I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before,
> > so....
>
> Should we allow this guy to stay on the list?

Jeez, winks and grins are a little difficult to communicate over e-mail.
Don't scare the guy off!

I've only had the chance to listen to "Songbird Suite" once, so I can't say
very much. But Ikue Mori plays on 3 tracks. The album sounds very... [gropes
for word] ...fragile, in a way, with lots of cymbals and wisps of violin.

I almost wrote that it was psychically reminiscent of, um, "Vespertine," but
I didn't want to incur the wrath of Skip and Efren. =)

But "Songbird Suite" is in marked contrast, I think, to "Radiance" (also
mostly with piano and violin, but with Charles Burnham and Cooper-Moore),
which has a more muscular, aggressive sound to it. And the best cover of
Hendrix's "Up from the Skies" since Rickie Lee Jones's on "Pop Pop."

Later,
Ben

http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/
ICQ/AIM: thewilyfilipino


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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:05:14 -0800
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bjornette again?

> From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:56:24 -0500
> To: thomas chatterton <[e-mail]>,
> <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Bjornette again?
>
>>
>> Any word on the rumoured collaboration between Bjork and Ornette?
>>
>>
> They've been trying to get Skip Heller to produce it, but so far, no go.
>
> --Mike
>
There is not enough money to get me to sit through anything that promises to
be that unpleasant.

The funniest assessment of Bjork I've heard -- "The Sinead O'Connor of the
technoid generation."

skip h


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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:09:00 -0800
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?

> From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:57:45 -0800
> To: "Zorn List" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: RE: Susie Ibarra Trio?
>
> I didn't want to incur the wrath of Skip and Efren. =)
>
> But "Songbird Suite" is in marked contrast, I think, to "Radiance" (also
> mostly with piano and violin, but with Charles Burnham and Cooper-Moore),
> which has a more muscular, aggressive sound to it. And the best cover of
> Hendrix's "Up from the Skies" since Rickie Lee Jones's on "Pop Pop."
>
> Later,
> Ben

Anytime there's a bad cover of Hendrix -- Ribot's "Wind Cries Mary" or
Byron's "If Six Was Nine" from someone I respect, I get pissed off, because
while I avoided listening to Hendrix like the plague when I was coming up,
the guy's songwriting is inescapable.

My fav Hendrix covers -- the Rickie Lee among them (POP POP as a whole was
just great), as well as a gorgeous bootleg of Stevie Ray Vaughan playing
"Little Wing" solo (accoustic twelve string no less).

skip h


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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:04:18 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?

on 02.02.02 8:42 PM, Mike Chamberlain at [e-mail] wrote:

> on 2/2/02 7:12 PM, Jason J. Tar at [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before,
>> so....
>
> Should we allow this guy to stay on the list?
>
> --Mike

No. Make him memorize Susie's recordings in order of session date before he
can say another gawddam word:

http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/IBARRA.disc.html

I'm dead serious,
RL
- ----------
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Sessionographies :
CRISPELL;  IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE.

Discographies :
COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN.

Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN;
HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag;
ETC.,
- ----------
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:26:19 -0800
From: "Rev. Floyd Heirs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bjornette again?

Bjork is the shit, man. Her performance at LA's Dorothy Chandler
Pavilion was worth twice the ticket price. Absolutely stunning.
And her voice is magnificent. Icelandish, but sublime. And Zeena
with her no less.

np: The Fire Tale - Borah Bergman/Evan Parker


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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:34:29 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Bjornette again?

>> Bjork is the shit, man. Her performance at LA's Dorothy Chandler
Pavilion was worth twice the ticket price.

Was she wearing the swan?

Zach


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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 03:50:07 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: G.F. Fitzgerald

>From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
>
  Does anyone know who G.F. Fitzgerald is/was
>and how he came to be on a compilation with these other
>three superstars?

Part of the late '60s Canterbury jazz-rock scene, had a band with Geoff
Leigh (flute & sax player later in Henry Cow, hence the Frith connection)
called Mouseproof, did a solo album with the same name that also featured
underrated sax player Lyn Dobson (later in Soft Machine); I thought
Cuneiform was supposed to put out a new record by him?

_________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 04:20:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: new to the list

In a message dated 2/2/02 12:53:40 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>You might want to add that he shouldn't agree with K8 on anything.  That
>will keep him in good graces with the powers that be.
>

[scoff, cough, gag, heave...]  who are the powers that be, anyways?

k8.  <--- lowerCASE k.


- -----
[ .n o t h i n g  i s  w h a t  i s  s a i d. ]

.k a t e  p e t e r s o n.
.c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r.
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
<A HREF="http://www.icefoundation.org">http://www.icefoundation.org</A>
(roundtable)

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:49:05 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: G.F. Fitzgerald

David wrote:

Does anyone know who G.F. Fitzgerald is/was
and how he came to be on a compilation with these other
three superstars?

David K.

- -
I suspect Hans Reichel would be very disturbed when you called him a
superstar. As for Fred Frith, he was in the top 40 once, he arranged Robert
Wyatt's I'm a believer single.

Bye, Remco


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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:43:57 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn plays Zappa

Jody wrote:
the name Zappa came up.  Zorn was like Yeah ! Zappa !! then he
starts mouthing the riffs to peaches n Regalia while Frith was kinda faking
it on guitar.  Good stuff......

- -Jody
- -
On early Henry Cow albums with Fred Frith you can just hear echoes of
Zappa's Burnt Weany Sandwich, Uncle Meat and Weasels Ripped My Flesh
concepts. Part of Frith comes from early Zappa, but ofcourse he drew from
innumerable other sources to enrichen his work.

Frith's tendency to release orchestra stuff in later life might even point
to a similar development (both Zappa and Frith are autodidacts).

In the movie STEP ACROSS THE BORDER, Frith talks about the total and utter
Beatles obsession he had when he was young. Now there's an influence I
wouldn't come up with when listening to Frith!

As for Zorn, in managing Tzadik, he is just as witty and commercial as Zappa
was: both created a great, recognisable brand, where musically everything
could happen.

In both cases, especially compared to other contemporary composers, their
stuff sells fairly well. Zorn maybe somewhat less than Zappa. But then
again, both Zorns own output, as well as the complete Tzadik catalogue, are
much bigger than Zappa's output as a leader and producer.

Regards,
Remco Takken


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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:03:25 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?

>
> I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before,
>> so....
>
Susie Ibarra belongs to the group of musicians around David S. Ware, Matthew
Ship and William Parker.

Check out the record label she runs with her husband, saxofonist Assif
Tsahar. Ibarra is mainly a free jazz drummer, although her duo record with
Tsahar 'Home Cookin' makes good use of all kinds of instruments laying
around the Ibarra/Tsahar house.

May, in a few years, the young Ibarra/ Tsahar couple get two or three kids:
I would surely buy their family cd-album.

Regards, Remco Takken


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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 04:52:23 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: mark dresser trio was tonight...

friends, zornfans, worldlypersons,

i wish you all could have been at mark dresser trio tonight.  although i got
in free i would have GLADLY paid $50 for that ticket because it was so
completely perfect.  accompaniment to 4 films...  un chien andalou,
chronicles of an asthmatic stripper, and the two moisture project films.
aside from the dali, mark dresser wrote the music FIRST and then the film was
made afterwards for his music, and it was so fucking cool.  and the little
'soundtrack' the trio provided for un chien was plausibly the best live
accompaniment i have ever seen to a silent film.  ever.

this was only the second gig they've played with the 4 films.  when/if it
comes to where you are, Go See It.  i promise, it's worth it.

plus, they opened with three tunes and closed with a really nice one.  oh
yeah, it ruled.

love,
  k8.


- -----
[ .n o t h i n g  i s  w h a t  i s  s a i d. ]

.k a t e  p e t e r s o n.
.c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r.
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
<A HREF="http://www.icefoundation.org">http://www.icefoundation.org</A>
(roundtable)

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:02:12 +0100
From: "dekater" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: French pock/rop Henri Salvador

I believe this has been discussed before. There's an excellent compilation
of Viansongs by various interpreters (including Vian himself). The box
exists of 6 cd's. One of them contains "Chansons Rock" with a.o. Henri
Salvador (using the name Henry Cording for the occasion). Vian and Salvador
composed in a nick of time lot of rocksongs after they heard this kind of
music on import lp's. They laughed their heads off and just couldn't believe
this was meant to be serious. Needless to say that songs and texts are very
funny. The box appeared on Polygram and is still available. When you read
French you should also get the book "Chansons" (Ed. Christian Bourgois)
which contains all songtexts Vian has written.
Jan Luyben
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Tosh <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: French pock/rop Henri Salvador


> >Speaking of Henri Salvador, can anyone recommend a good collection
> >to start with.  I don't know his music at all,  but I am interested
> >in him because of the Boris Vian connection.  I would like to find a
> >collection of songs written by Vian and Salvador.  I imagine most of
> >this material would be from the mid-50's.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> --
> Tosh Berman
> TamTam Books
> http://www.tamtambooks.com
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:03:43 +0100
From: "dekater" <[e-mail]>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=

OK Efren

I like Spain a lot and dislike Bjork

Jan Luyben
- ----- Original Message -----
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
To: EfrΘn del Valle <[e-mail]>
Cc: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:02 PM
Subject: Bj÷rk (was: Re: new to the list)


>
>
> EfrΘn del Valle wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who dislikes (to
> > say the least) Bj÷rk.
> >
>
> EfrΘn - count me in; I have also really started disliking her. I loved
> the first album, but now her singing just gets on my nerves very big
> time.
>
> BTW: did you notice that we are discovering more and more things we do
> have in common, EfrΘn? ;-)
>
> patRice
>
> np: Jeff Mills, various Purpose Maker 12"s
> nr: Chris Wroblewski, Skin Shows III
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:56:37 -0500
From: "David Beardsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>

> > I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before,
> >> so....
> >
> Susie Ibarra belongs to the group of musicians around David S. Ware,
Matthew
> Ship and William Parker.
>
> Check out the record label she runs with her husband, saxofonist Assif
> Tsahar. Ibarra is mainly a free jazz drummer, although her duo record with
> Tsahar 'Home Cookin' makes good use of all kinds of instruments laying
> around the Ibarra/Tsahar house.
>
> May, in a few years, the young Ibarra/ Tsahar couple get two or three
kids:
> I would surely buy their family cd-album.

Ain't gonna happen. They haven't been together for a while.


* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley


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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:53:46 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio?

on 02.02.03 5:03 AM, Remco Takken at [e-mail] wrote:

>>
>> I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before,
>>> so....
>>
> Susie Ibarra belongs to the group of musicians around David S. Ware, Matthew
> Ship and William Parker.

Well, she was up until a few years ago, but there was a split, and now she
is most definitely *not* w/ any Ware 4tet folk.

> Check out the record label she runs with her husband, saxofonist Assif
> Tsahar. Ibarra is mainly a free jazz drummer, although her duo record with
> Tsahar 'Home Cookin' makes good use of all kinds of instruments laying
> around the Ibarra/Tsahar house.
>
> May, in a few years, the young Ibarra/ Tsahar couple get two or three kids:
> I would surely buy their family cd-album.

In addition, she and Assif split a few years ago. (But Home Cookin' is still
a good recommendation)

You're behind the times, Remco! ;-)

RL
- ----------
[  All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k  ]

Sessionographies :
CRISPELL;  IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE.

Discographies :
COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN.

Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN;
HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag;
ETC.,
- ----------
*** THINGS 4 SALE ***  [Updated: 01.12.01]
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html




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