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Zorn List Digest      Wednesday, January 30 2002      Volume 03 : Number 723



In this issue:
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       re:slayer
       re: west masada
       Re: Curlew
       deranged rap recommendations
       RE: slayer
       Haino
       Re: deranged rap recommendations
       Ran Blake?
       Re: deranged rap recommendations
       Ornette rarities
       Fwd: Ralph Carney recommendations, Was: Re: The Gift/Ribot/Douglas
       About the BBC program
       RE: Ralph Carney recommendations
       Re: deranged rap recommendations
       Fwd: Odp: Zorn / Douglas (was: Re: The Gift)
       Re: Ralph Carney recommendations, Was: Re: The Gift/Ribot/Douglas
       Re: NRBQ's Ardolino (was: Re: The Gift)

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:18:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:slayer

I wish I would have known that Lombardo was playing the Slayer tour.  I
definitely would have gone.  The last time I saw Lombardo with Slayer was 11
years ago.  To the person that posted the original post...Does this mean that
they played mostly old material?  As far as the opening acts, I know that
Hatebreed was one of them.  Hatebreed is a great band.  I have been listening
to them since 1994 when all they had out was a 4 song demo.  They are a
hardcore band, so if you don't like hardcore at all you won't like them.  But
for what they play, they are the best around right now.  Slayer has had them
on the road with them for the last 2 years straight.  A lot of people might
not like hardcore but it was hardcore that introduced me to the Naked City
and that's how I found out about Zorn.  And then when I went to see Zorn play
for the first time, I had recognized him from going to hardcore shows.  I
know that hardcore has had a huge influence on his playing.

Seth

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:35:33
From: "William York" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: west masada

>There was one more west coast Masada show by a different lineup--much >more
>recent (1996 or 97?). They played at Slim's--scott amendola, >john schott,
>and bassist john shifflet, and probably others.

>>- --graham connah

i have a friend who mentioned something to me about there being tapes of
some west coast masada lineup still in some archive of shows held at radio
valencia in SF. i had recently bought the marco eneidi/glenn
spearman/jackson krall/william parker cd 'live at radio valencia' (which has
a picture of a firetruck smashed into the front of the club ... that was
before my time here) and mentioned it to this guy.
anyway, he said that in addition to the masada tapes there is tons more
well-recorded, unreleased eneidi/spearman stuff (as well as much else, i'm
sure) in the archives. he also mentioned having some sort of access to this
stuff, but i'm being irresponsible and blathering here ... anyway, i need to
bug him about that and see if i can hear it!

more reports to follow when/if that ever happens ...

wy

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:01:29 -0500
From: Bob Sweet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Curlew

George Cartwright lives in in Minneapolis now.

Bob Sweet
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- --On Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:32 PM -0500 Rich Williams
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> >
> >On an unrelated issue Curlew - the band - are practically unknown in the
> UK, >it is hard to track down their releases. I gather a new one is
> imminent . >Their music seems quite closely related to much of the stuff
> discussed on >this list but they hardly get a mention. They seem to have
> been going for >about 20 years. I first heard of them in Gene Santoro 's
> book Stir It Up but >have seen no mention of them in magazines/books
> since.
> >
> >Do they gig regularly in NYC? Are they seen as part of the downtown
> gang? I >would appreciate any first hand experience of their live gigs
> (as far as I >know they have never played here).
>
>     I would definitely say that they were part of the downtown gang, When
> Tom Cora moved to Europe and George Cartwright went back down south they
> performed much more rarely though. and after Tom's passing, I was never
> fully convinced by the last few versions of the band without him. (Though
> I haven't yet heard the brand new disc).     In their prime they were a very
> exciting live band usually centered around Cora and Cartwright, Curlew v1
> also featured Bill Laswell, Nicky Skopeletis and Drummer Bill
> Bacon(whatever happened to him?) and recorded a self-titled LP, not
> reissued on CD, AFAIK. They played at all the regular downtown spots,
> CBGB,The Mudd Club, Zu, etc. during 1980-81 Curlew v2 had Anton Fier on
> drums and a bassist whose name i dont remember, they never recorded,  I
> saw this band live a few times.     Around 83 Fred Frith joined on
> bass(mostly),guitar, and violin, Drummer Rick Brown and Guitarist Mark
> Howell joined briefly before Davey Williams, and most importantly,
> Drummer Pippin Barnett of the Orthotonics joined. This band recorded
> North America for Moers Music and played some gigs before Fred Frith was
> fired in 1985 for "attempting to take over the band" (or so the story
> goes)     They enlisted Wayne Horvitz to play keyboard bass for a while,
> before settling down with Ann Rupel playing bass.  With Frith gone and
> Davey Williams(The REAL Twang Bar king) in the band, there was  a real
> strong southern swamp jazz feel to the music. This band played regularly
> throughout the late 80's and were regulars at the old knit. They made
> several discs for Cuneiform.(I believe their all still available)     The
> post-Cora versions of the band usually included guitarist Chris Cochrane,
> and eventually Barnett was replaced by Kenny Wolleson.     My favorite
> memory of the band was their appearance at the 1985 Kool Jazz fest. Davey
> Williams went missing and the band played as a quartet.  At one point I
> was talking with another concert goer, who seemed very concerned about
> Williams absence, as Curlew was supposed to play the very next day at his
> wedding!  which , at that time, was about the coolest thing I'd ever
> heard ;-)
>
>
>
> -





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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1904 21:13:44 +0100
From: duncan youngerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: deranged rap recommendations

Hi,

Someone about a month ago recommended Hawd Gankstah Rappuhs and I
have'nt been able to find their stuff on line=2E

Any tips as to obtain their cd(s)?

Would be very grateful for any other recommendation(s) for creative,
insane, deranged rap=2E

(I always hear snippets out of car radios but can never get the names=2E
I've been impressed in the (now distant) past by Grandmaster Flash's
"The Message" and the Getto Boyz, some of Cypress
Hill, but am generally very disapointed when I chance to buy rap cds=2E
Either too unimaginative ad/or filled with boring pseudo-v=E9rit=E9
interludes=2E

Have'nt yet been able to nail down the really out-to-lunch people out
there (maybe they're just in my imagination)=2E

Thanx=2E
DY=2E


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:42:30 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: slayer

>>> Does this mean that they played mostly old material

They actually played a mixed bag.  They played quite a few cuts from
their new album, God Hates Us All.  They sprinkled it with cuts from
classic Lombardo-era Slayer albums like Seasons in the Abyss, South of
Heaven, and Reign in Blood.

>> Hatebreed is a great band.  I have been listening to them since 1994
when all they had out was a 4 song demo.  They are a hardcore band, so
if you don't like hardcore at all you won't like them.

I wasn't impressed all that much with Hatebreed.  I do enjoy Zorn's hard
core music greatly, though I think that it owes more to metal (Napalm
Death, et al) than to actual hard core. I love metal, but if Hatebreed
is one of best hard core bands, I guess I don't like hard core

Zach


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:44:46 +0100
From: Ari <[e-mail]>
Subject: Haino

John,

I don't know what you're looking for, but here you can find a lot of
information:

www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/index.html

Ari


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:02:32 -0500
From: "Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: deranged rap recommendations

>Would be very grateful for any other recommendation(s) for creative,
>insane, deranged rap.

Look no further than Quasimoto's album, "the unseen." It's probably my
favorite hip hop record of all time, and I'm really into hip hop. Yes, it's
better than Tribe's "the low-end theory."

Quasimoto is the producer Madlib, who concocts super-crunchy lo-fi beats and
jazz samples (Wes M. + Jimmy Smith, Sun Ra, etc.) into tracks that he raps
on. But wait- when he raps, he does so through a pitch-shifter....so the
voice sounds like a cross between Eminem and the Chipmunks. While it sounds
silly, it's seriously an incredible album, and it's out on stones throw
records...it came out in '00.

Also........

Dr. Octagon's "the octagonycologist" (spelling is something like that) that
came out around '97 is a classic of "deranged" hip hop. Kool Keith (you
might want to check out his Black Elvis/Lost in Space record) raps over
music by Dan the Automator with scratches by Q-bert. A few tracks on there-
"waiting list", "blue flowers" - were instant classics.

I'm really into heaps of other hip hop, but most of it is just GOOD, not
"deranged" or "out there."

andrew



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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:37:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ran Blake?

Can anyone tell me about Blake's latest release, "Sonic Temples"?

Thanks,
Tom

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and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1904 22:25:15 +0100
From: duncan youngerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: deranged rap recommendations

Many thanx for the advice! I'll try to get my hands on those.

>
> I'm really into heaps of other hip hop, but most of it is just GOOD, not
> "deranged" or "out there."
>

I know what you mean, but those that have knocked me out have been the most
far-removed from accepted norms of good taste, beauty, form, sexiness.

DY.


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:59:03 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ornette rarities

Greetings,

If anyone out there has any Ornette rarities, could you please e-mail me off-list?  Working on an OC project at the moment (with his blessing).

Thanks,
Jason
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Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect



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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:46:11 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Ralph Carney recommendations, Was: Re: The Gift/Ribot/Douglas

Hi,

I have "Ralph Sounds" on Birdman Records and I didn't
dig it. in fact, I just listened to it a couple of
times. Mostly a solo album if my memory serves. It's
supposed to be funny, but I found it a bit gratuitous
and disperse. I can't give you too much detail because
I don't recall the album at all (which is significant)
but can't recommend it to anyone. Sorry.

Best,

EfrΘn del Valle

>
>
> As
> an aside, does anyone have any recommendations on
> Ralph Carney who's the sax
> player on the Raindogs album?  I see him listed for
> shows occasionally in
> the bay area, CA and think about checking him out.
>
> ---------------------
> You should!
>
> There are two Steve Horowitz albums with his 'rock'
> group The Code. The
> first is especially great, with speechlike rock
> chamber compositions, along
> with some so'n'so rocknpoetry stuff. Other people
> playing on that album
> include William Winant, Myles Boisen, Dan Plonsey
> and Dave Slusser. It's a
> Bay Area record alright.
>
> Steve Horowitz The Code (FOT/ Ponk Records 1993)
> The Code: The Psychosexual Album (Ponk/ Fot 13,
> 1994)
>
> They might be available at Beanbender's.
>
>
>
> -
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:04:21 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: About the BBC program

Hi,

Since several listers have asked me to post some
remarkable portions of the program, I'll do it. I'll
be a bit slow- I have five German exams next week and
i can barely say "Wie geht es Ihnen" so it's gonna be
a hard weekend. But I'll post it, that's for sure.
It's interesting and I'd love to share it.

Maybe I'll send something during the week. Only if you
behave :-)

Best,

EfrΘn

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:56:04 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Ralph Carney recommendations

he was also in a band called Pluto with David Slusser and Mark Weinstein.
they had a recording out called "shoehorse emerging" on Rastascan that was
fun in an experimental rock/avant-prog way.  i wouldn't call it a Carney
showcase per se, but good playing all the way around

sean

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of EfrΘn del Valle
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:46 AM
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Fwd: Ralph Carney recommendations, Was: Re: The
Gift/Ribot/Douglas


Hi,

I have "Ralph Sounds" on Birdman Records and I didn't
dig it. in fact, I just listened to it a couple of
times. Mostly a solo album if my memory serves. It's
supposed to be funny, but I found it a bit gratuitous
and disperse. I can't give you too much detail because
I don't recall the album at all (which is significant)
but can't recommend it to anyone. Sorry.

Best,

EfrΘn del Valle

>
>
> As
> an aside, does anyone have any recommendations on
> Ralph Carney who's the sax
> player on the Raindogs album?  I see him listed for
> shows occasionally in
> the bay area, CA and think about checking him out.
>
> ---------------------
> You should!
>
> There are two Steve Horowitz albums with his 'rock'
> group The Code. The
> first is especially great, with speechlike rock
> chamber compositions, along
> with some so'n'so rocknpoetry stuff. Other people
> playing on that album
> include William Winant, Myles Boisen, Dan Plonsey
> and Dave Slusser. It's a
> Bay Area record alright.
>
> Steve Horowitz The Code (FOT/ Ponk Records 1993)
> The Code: The Psychosexual Album (Ponk/ Fot 13,
> 1994)
>
> They might be available at Beanbender's.
>
>
>
> -
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:14:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: deranged rap recommendations

In a message dated 01.30.02 10:07:49, [e-mail] writes:

>Dr. Octagon's "the octagonycologist" (spelling is something like that)
>that came out around '97 is a classic of "deranged" hip hop. Kool Keith (you
>might want to check out his Black Elvis/Lost in Space record) raps over
>music by Dan the Automator with scratches by Q-bert. A few tracks on there-
>"waiting list", "blue flowers" - were instant classics.

damn, man, how did i forget about this album?  i've only heard it a couple of
times, but it definitely made its impression - it's so well done, and so
goofy and wild, and out there.  it rules.

k8.



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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:48:40 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Odp: Zorn / Douglas (was: Re: The Gift)

ironically, I find TBT's "Live in Europe" their
weakest release. We don't seem to agree, Marcin :-)

As to "Witness" I love both the album and was
impressed by their live performance in BCN- but
considering that these shows are rare here, don't pay
much attention to my appraisal. Comes out of
desperation.

Best,

EfrΘn
>
> I must say his sextet work is where he was the most
> succesful as a leader
> IMO (especially 'In our lifetime'). 'Witness' did
> not impress me, and TBT is
> greatlive, but boring on disc IMO.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: EfrΘn del Valle <[e-mail]>
> > or legitimate, but I love Douglas in every context
> he
> > performs (maybe not that much when he gets too
> > classic, though) and Masada would be one of those
> > contexts in which I find him most inspired,
> together
> > with his Tiny Bell Trio and the lovely, amazing
> > "Witness" album.
>
>
>
> -
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:07:55 -0800
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ralph Carney recommendations, Was: Re: The Gift/Ribot/Douglas

> From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:22:39 +0100
> To: "D Dvb" <[e-mail]>, "Zorn List" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Ralph Carney recommendations, Was: Re: The Gift/Ribot/Douglas
>
>
> As
> an aside, does anyone have any recommendations on Ralph Carney who's the sax
> player on the Raindogs album?  I see him listed for shows occasionally in
> the bay area, CA and think about checking him out.
>
> ---------------------
> You should!

If you're a vinylhound, find the Tin Huey LP, CONTENTS DISLODGED DURING
SHIPMENT on Warner Bros.  It takes a bit of hunting and the whole album is
not great, but a few of the tunes -- and Ralph's playing -- are just
amazing.  Also, he played the tenor solo on "I Know What Boys Like" by the
Waitresses.  Great player, nice fella.

skip h


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:16:30 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NRBQ's Ardolino (was: Re: The Gift)

>From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
>
>
>Odd that you like the records without Ardolino.  That drummer, Tom Staley,
>is bud of mine.  Do you mind if I forward your post to him? He'd love it.

Not at all! What's he up to these days? I certainly dig the records with
Ardolino too, it's just those first ones had a rare kind of r'n'r innocence
(for lack of a better description, more a reflection of the times),
especially considering what other bands were playing (I really dug the
Flamin' Groovies back then too).


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