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Zorn List Digest Thursday, January 10 2002 Volume 03 : Number 677
In this issue:
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Tim Berne
jack johnson
Favourite Erstwhile Release
Re: Gershom Scholem
Re: Favourite Erstwhile Release
Fusitsusha
japanese[underground]prog
Re: Tim Berne
Re: Favourite Erstwhile Release
RE: Tim Berne
Re: Douglas/Mengelberg
question about Philip Roth
Re: question about Philip Roth
First time I saw a cd, Was: Re: Douglas/Mengelberg
"Beyond the Ocean"; Fennesz
Upcoming Zappa compilation?
Re: Upcoming Zappa compilation?
three in one (long)
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:53:35
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tim Berne
>I have been listening a bit to Bloodcount lately, and I was hoping to >get
>a bit more insight into how Berne's tunes are written down. I >could
>simplify what I am hearing as 'long passages of free stuff, >some written
>stuff, free stuff, written stuff, etc.' but I just think >there must be
>more to it. For example, the free stuff may have some >parameters as to who
>is going to play, in what mood, etc. Any ideas >would be much
>appreciated...
Man, I wish I could help more; I should be able to. I was at a 'workshop' he
did this summer in Vancouver w/ the Hard Cell trio. He was more into playing
than talking about his music, but he did answer some questions about his
writing. But, they were more about the process of how he writes -- the
creative process (procrastinating, read the sports page, etc.) -- than the
specifics of his music. I know some other listmembers were there (hi) so
maybe they can help ...
But, I think the 'written stuff / free stuff (usually with certain musicians
specified, it seems) written stuff' blueprint is probably pretty accurate.
Cues, eye contact and/or telepathy might have had something to do with
Bloodcount too.
The new CD, 'Open, Coma' is much more composed. Again, I'd like to say more
about this but I need time to digest it more. He has really been on a roll
these last few years, though,, and in all sorts of different contexts --
Bloodcount, free improv w/ Paraphrase, big band, the Hard Cell trio,
etc.....
WY
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:01:07
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: jack johnson
>but if anyone has that Guitar(?)(-World?)(-Player?) issue circa >11/90(?),
>please consider scanning the Sonny interview and emailing >it to Margaret
>Davis, at <musicmargaret@earthlink.net>. She'll >archive it and make it
>available to others...
i would like to help, but the mag is in north carolina, and i am in
california. you're right about the cover, though. the magazine is guitar
player. while we're on the subect, i'd love to see that blind idiot god
article (ryan novak?) and would gladly trade something for it ...
will (listening to Eugene Chadbourne 'Ayler Undead' -- a mostly good CD from
someone who had been frustrating me with a long string of pretty haphazard
and spotty CDs recently...)
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:48:30 +1100
From: "Adam Rock" <arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au>
Subject: Favourite Erstwhile Release
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Just received another couple of Erstwhile CDs in the mail yesterday and =
once again I am suitably impressed. Anyone like to comment on what they =
feel is their favourite release from the Erstwhile catalogue? (I know a =
lot of people on the list have been digging "Weather Sky" of late.) I =
would be particularly interested to hear what Jon Abbey's personal fave =
is. Keep up the great work Jon!
Kind regards,
Adam
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:33:18 -0600
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Gershom Scholem
- ------------------------------
From: "Adam Rock" <arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au>
> > I'm searching for information about Gershom Scholem's major works:
> >
> > - titles and publisher
> > - is English the only language in which
> > they have been translated?
>
>Hi Patb,
>
>Scholem's works "Major Trends in Jewish Mysticism", "On the Kabbalah and Its
>Symbolism" and his translation of "Zohar - The Book of Splendour" are all
>considered to be key texts. All three are published by Schocken. Two other
>primary works are "On the Mystical Shape of the Godhead" and "Messianic Idea
>in Judaism." Not sure of the publisher for these two.
>
Those last two are also published by Schocken in the US.
Don't forget the huge book on the false Messiah, Sabbatai Zevi
published by Princeton U Press.
As for translations, many of the original German texts have been
translated into Hebrew as well as English. Some of the later books
may have been published in Hebrew originally. Selected works are
probably also available in French & Spanish.
- --
Herb Levy
P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, Texas 76147 USA
817 377-2983
herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:26:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Favourite Erstwhile Release
> Anyone like to comment on what they feel
> is their favourite release from the Erstwhile
> catalogue?
I think the reason I don't find there to be a dud in
the bunch is that each record really seems to move
beyond technique, genre, or expectation to develop its
own sound-world; most of the records seem like neither
first nor full articulations of the new employments of
technology, technique, and perception. Seems like e/a
improv still has a soft skull, and anything can
happen. That's maybe why, especially after the first
few releases, it's kind of hard to know what to expect
from each successive release. The two records I have
the most trouble getting over (i.e. the ones that
might not have been the most difficult for me, nor the
most accessible, but the most sensually rewarding) are
Rowe/Mueller/Sugimoto's THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN,
and Le Quan/Mueller's LA VOYELLE LIQUIDE. I've
carefully listened to these several times, and heard
them dozens of times, and they turn my head around
every time, without fail. It's music effectively
stripped of melody and harmony in any traditional
sense, and maybe stripped of what we usually think of
emotion "in" music, but it prickles the hair on my
neck every time, and not in a beard-stroking kind of
way. Gorgeous! I also love that Ielasi/Sciajno, but
it's just too soon to know if it will age as well with
me as the first two.
- -----s
np: Miles Davis, IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME (recent sextet
2cd on Columbia)
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:34:26 +0000
From: "Ricardo Jorge" <ricardoviseu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fusitsusha
could anyone record me something from this band? i'll trade for bootlegs or
rare albums!
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:01:34 -0800 (PST)
From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com>
Subject: japanese[underground]prog
I found this article interesting and informative.
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/features/nihon-no-hardcore/index2.shtml
and jz references are everywhere
np: the flirts [thanks jon]
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:08:17 -0800
From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org>
Subject: Re: Tim Berne
At 8:53 AM -0800 1/10/2002, William York wrote:
>>I have been listening a bit to Bloodcount lately, and I was hoping
>>to >get a bit more insight into how Berne's tunes are written down.
>>I >could simplify what I am hearing as 'long passages of free
>>stuff, >some written stuff, free stuff, written stuff, etc.' but I
>>just think >there must be more to it. For example, the free stuff
>>may have some >parameters as to who is going to play, in what mood,
>>etc. Any ideas >would be much appreciated...
>
>Man, I wish I could help more; I should be able to. I was at a
>'workshop' he did this summer in Vancouver w/ the Hard Cell trio. He
>was more into playing than talking about his music, but he did
>answer some questions about his writing. But, they were more about
>the process of how he writes -- the creative process
>(procrastinating, read the sports page, etc.) -- than the specifics
>of his music. I know some other listmembers were there (hi) so maybe
>they can help ...
>
>But, I think the 'written stuff / free stuff (usually with certain
>musicians specified, it seems) written stuff' blueprint is probably
>pretty accurate. Cues, eye contact and/or telepathy might have had
>something to do with Bloodcount too.
>
I had a chance to hang with Berne after a duo show he and Michael
Formanek did here, and asked him about some of his compositions, he
was really self-deprecating and dismissive of his stuff. He said it
had more to do with the players that he was lucky enough to work with
than his skills as a writer. Of course, I completely disagree with
that, I think he's one of the major composers working right now!
- --
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org
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- -
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:12:29 -0500
From: <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Favourite Erstwhile Release
My favorite is Rowe/Mueller/Sugimoto's World Turned Upside Down, even voted for it in last year's Pazz & Jop poll (even if it's neither pazz nor jop).
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:06:00 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: Tim Berne
But, I think the 'written stuff / free stuff (usually with certain
>musicians specified, it seems) written stuff' blueprint is probably
>pretty accurate. Cues, eye contact and/or telepathy might have had
>something to do with Bloodcount too.
I actually recorded one of the discs of Unwound, and I definitely think
cues, eye contact and/or telepathy were involved. although the pieces were
VERY long, I don't recall there being loads of sheet music for everyone.
perhaps it's a similar concept to Thomas Chapin's "cells" within tunes(the
term is either his or Pavone's, i don't remeber the source) where parts are
sketched out, but the duration of any given cell is figured out by the band
in performance.
sean
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:27:18 -0800 (PST)
From: rizzi@browbeat.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: Douglas/Mengelberg
James Hale, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>Okay, hands up who recalls when they first laid eyes on a CD.
For me, it was the Mission of Burma collection
of their entire studio recordings. I recall
being blown away that they could fit 80 minutes
of music on one disc. Though since then, most
CDs seem to top out around 74 minutes.
off to NYC to see the Mission of Burma reunion concert!
mike
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:25:13 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: question about Philip Roth
Sorry for the Zorn unrelated question, but does anybody remember the
name of the ex-wife of Philip Roth, and the book she wrote as a reply (?) to
I MARRIED A COMMUNIST?
Thanks,
NP: ORGAN WORKS VOL. 1: Jehan Alain (Naxos)
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:21:39 +0000 (GMT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nick=20Cain?= <npc_4@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: question about Philip Roth
Claire Bloom, 'Leaving A Doll's House':
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1860493165/o/qid=1010693966/sr=8-1/ref=sr_aps_b_1_1/026-8802762-2471649
--- "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
wrote: >
Sorry for the Zorn unrelated question, but does
anybody remember the name of the ex-wife of Philip
Roth, and the book she wrote as a reply (?) to I
MARRIED A COMMUNIST?
=====
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:47:40 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <r.takken@planet.nl>
Subject: First time I saw a cd, Was: Re: Douglas/Mengelberg
> Okay, hands up who recalls when they first laid eyes on a CD.
> I don't remember myself, though I do remember my friend Gabriel - the
> first guy I knew who bought a CD player - calling to tell me that he had
> Scott LaFaro in his living room!
>
There was a shop in my hometown where they sold Pink Floyd's The Wall for
$55, and some Dire Straits, I believe it was Alchemy. A friend of mine had
techie parents, who owned a very trebly and noisy Let it Bleed cd by The
Stones. Soon after that I went crazy buying second hand vinyl records for
almost nothing...
I only felt the need for a cd player in 1991, when things started to come
out as cd-only's. I bought Zappa's You can't do that on stage anymore 1>6
around that time (some of it made it on vinyl, notably volume 2 with Ruth
Underwood and George Duke)
Remco Takken
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:12:25 -0500
From: "Nirav Soni" <nirav@ink19.com>
Subject: "Beyond the Ocean"; Fennesz
I know a lot of folks around these parts are Fennesz fans....the film is
showing at Anthology Film Archives in NYC
(http://www.anthologyfilmarchives.org).
January 24-30 (maybe more....they haven't posted any of their scheduele past
Jan.)
7:00 & 9:00
THEATRICAL PREMIERE
Tony Pemberton
BEYOND THE OCEAN
2000, 87 minutes, color & b/w, 35mm. Music by Christian Fennesz. In Russian
and English with English subtitles.
This drama explores an unusual niche of American society today: young
Russian immigrants in New York City. The story centers around a Russian
woman (Dasha Volga) who follows her boyfriend to New York. She arrives
without warning, pregnant, penniless, and alone. Worse, her boyfriend is not
ready financially or emotionally to support her, and sends her to live with
his good friend, a local trip-hop deejay. The film chronicles the journey of
a woman caught between the present in New York and memories of her past life
in Russia.
BEYOND THE OCEAN was nominated for a Jury Award at Sundance Film Festival's
Dramatic Competition 2000; director Tony Pemberton was cited by VARIETY as
one of "ten directors to watch."
"Seldom does a film come around with the striking originality and
craftsmanship of Tony Pemberton's BEYOND THE OCEAN. By contrasting different
themes and images, he has created a piece of cinematic poetry that gently
stirs and furiously shakes the still waters of our souls." -Trevor Groth,
Sundance Film Festival
Also....do yrselves a favor and catch the Galaxy series (esp. "Text of
Light") and the new Bela Tarr movie!
Nirav
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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:38:13 +0100
From: "Franz Fuchs" <f.fuchs@gmx.net>
Subject: Upcoming Zappa compilation?
> On Behalf Of Skip Heller
>
> http://www.skipheller.com
http://www.skipheller.com/zappa.htm
("liner notes for upcoming early Frank Zappa compilation")
Please do tell when this will be released ;-)
Regards
Franz Fuchs
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:21:12 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Zappa compilation?
> ("liner notes for upcoming early Frank Zappa compilation")
>
> Please do tell when this will be released ;-)
>
> Regards
> Franz Fuchs
>
Hopefully, by early spring. We're having to having to help labels generate
new paperwork for a few artists, plus the Quicktime movie, plus... If anyone
needs a headache, try doing a multi-artist comp where you're dealing with a
billion labels.
One nice thing I can tell you in advance -- he have STEREO versions (totally
unreleased) of all the stuff that came out on Original Sound, and they're
not recreated stereo. They're FZ's own.
BTW -- Franz -- how did you find out about this so quickly?
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:21:56 -0700
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: three in one (long)
i figured I'd kind of throw three headings into one message here...I feel
like I haven't said anything here in a while so sorry for the length.
1) Gunter Mueller and Taku Sugimoto will play a duo concert at Colorado
College on Jan.31. The performance begins at 9:00pm and it is free and open
to the public. If you are interested in reserving tickets please call the
Worner Desk at (719)635-6800 or e-mail me privately.
(I know we're kind of out in the middle of nowhere but hey, I drove 12 hours
to see Konk Pack in Tuscon AZ ---- as much for the trip as for the show
but...)
2) Favorite erstwhiles... I agree very much with Mr. Scott. In no
particular order: Rowe/Mueller/Sugimoto, Mueller/Ninh, Stangl/Kurzmann,
Rowe/Nakamura, as well as (after a few skeptical listens) Drumm/Tetreault.
These are all recordings which I'm very happy to own.
There are a few releases I didn't enjoy: Lehn/Schmickler was far too much
for me (don't know what that means). Lehn/Hemmingway was a bit
dissapointing although it has good moments. (i do like Dach although I
haven't given it the attention it deserves...there are a lot of little
noises which my house makes....i don't dislike all Lehn...and I enjoyed the
Konk Pack show...)
I really haven't heard much else...
3) here are some things which have either provided experiences of ecstatic
excitement or which have recieved many listens over the past year (i
feel as if I don't really buy too much music these days but I think I'm
speaking to a slightly biased jury).
Gamelan gong kebyar of "Eka Cita" (World music library)
Ornette Coleman live at the Golden Circle Stockholm vol.1 (Blue note)
Lowell Davidson trio s/t (Calibre)
Bill Dixon Vade mecum II (soul note)
Abdoul Doumbia s/t (this is percussion music from Mali W. Africa)
Jimmy Giuffre 3, fusion/thesis, (ECM)
Rahmnad Krishnan, vidwan, (nonesuch)
Fela Kuti, opposite people/sorrow tears + blood, (MCA)
Charles Mingus, town hall concert, (original jazz classics) --
especially "praying with eric" which is also titled "meditations on
integration" on other
recordings
Rowe/Nakamura, weather sky, (erstwhile)
Toru Takemitsu, I hear the water dreaming, deutsch grammaphone
no surprizes here, eh? I feel like I'm kind of re-iterating...we'll call it
renforcing or corroborating? Anyway, thanks to the list for recommendations.
performances of 2001:
AMM 4/5/01
Paraphrase, 4/12/01
Cecil Taylor 11/11/01
Dorner/Kelly/Neumann/Rainey 9/11/01
Abdoul Doumbia, many occasions (disclaimer: I study with him)
back to lurking,
Matt
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