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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #673
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, January 6 2002 Volume 03 : Number 673
In this issue:
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RE: All's Well That Is Welles?
Re: All's Well That Is Welles?
Re: zornlistgalaxy
a breaking leak of sorts
Re: a breaking leak of sorts
RE: All's Well That Is Welles?
foreign synth pop
Re: "foreign" synth pop
re: top tens of 2001 NO ZC
Re: "foreign" synth pop
Re: foreign pynch pop
a few CDs for sale
Re: Fwd: Arto Lindsay moovies
LOLO on disc
Big Apple Ideas (no Z-con)
AMM Suggestions
Ligeti project
Esquivel/Easy Listening/Exotica/Lounge
ultralounge.
Re: ultralounge.
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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:36:09 -0500
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: All's Well That Is Welles?
I recently watched the documentary ("The Battle Over Citizen Kane from
the American Experience) on the second disc of the Citizen Kane DVD set
in which they really tried to hit home the fact that Kane "ruined"
Welles's career. This was an assessment that I hadn't heard before, so
is this my naivety showing or was it an exaggeration on the part of the
documentary makers?
Zach
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Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:59:02 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: All's Well That Is Welles?
> I recently watched the documentary ("The Battle Over Citizen Kane from
> the American Experience) on the second disc of the Citizen Kane DVD set
> in which they really tried to hit home the fact that Kane "ruined"
> Welles's career. This was an assessment that I hadn't heard before, so
> is this my naivety showing or was it an exaggeration on the part of the
> documentary makers?
>
> Zach
>
> -
>
No -- he was really stigmatized as being difficult, artsy, and a
troublemaker. They recut AMBERSONS without asking, and, after that, he
rarely had any kind of real support in Hollywood.
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:41:48 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: zornlistgalaxy
In a message dated 1/3/02 12:44:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
roballaert@mac.com writes:
After me:
<< >> they (AG) cancelled the ZornListGalaxy group on Audio Galaxy
> Well *that* sucks. Oh well-you're all invited to join the Big Ugly
> Sharks group of which I'm dictator. We're more of a prog/punk group
Does anyone else have a Galaxy group that isn't into punk ;-) ??? >>
Looks like AG wiped out *all* of the interest/user groups. I was a member of
four there and none of them show up now. Could be a glitch...
- --
=dg=
- -
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Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:15:22 -0800
From: graham connah <connah@earthlink.net>
Subject: a breaking leak of sorts
below is basically hearsay but the source is reputable. expect a tzadik
release in the not-too-distant future, i guess.
"....Just got back from a Cobra recording session with
Dresser, Feldman, Friedlander,
Cyro Baptista, Ibarra, Jennifer Choi, Trevor Dunn,
good fun.... yes, Zorn prompted. Jim O'Rourke showed up. Zorn
thought he was bringing his power book, but as it blew
up, Jim brought some not-so versatile 60's ring
modulator electronic get-up. Zorn sent him home
before the session even started. So Annie
Gosfield filled in.... He's re-recording all of his game pieces (I think all
of them) and releasing them on Tzadik."
- --GC
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:31:59 -0500
From: alan <nomore@bway.net>
Subject: Re: a breaking leak of sorts
>below is basically hearsay but the source is reputable. expect a tzadik
>release in the not-too-distant future, i guess.
>
>"....Just got back from a Cobra recording session with
> Dresser, Feldman, Friedlander,
>Cyro Baptista, Ibarra, Jennifer Choi, Trevor Dunn,
>good fun.... yes, Zorn prompted. Jim O'Rourke showed up. Zorn
>thought he was bringing his power book, but as it blew
>up, Jim brought some not-so versatile 60's ring
>modulator electronic get-up. Zorn sent him home
>before the session even started. So Annie
>Gosfield filled in.... He's re-recording all of his game pieces (I think all
>of them) and releasing them on Tzadik."
I heard that derek was a plucking on that cobra session
- -alan
- -
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Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:37:34 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: All's Well That Is Welles?
>in which they really tried to hit home the fact that Kane "ruined"
>Welles's career. This was an assessment that I hadn't heard before, so
>is this my naivety showing or was it an exaggeration on the part of the
>documentary makers?
The documentary does go a bit out of its way to blame Welles--it doesn't
hesitate to point out irrelevant character excesses--but he was definitely
resented by much of Hollywood for being an outsider with no film experience
(well, some trivial ones that hardly anybody knew about) who was given an
unheard-of total control contract. And it certainly didn't help that
Welles not only made the best of his freedom but also got on the bad side
of Hearst which reflected on the entire industry. That resentment is one
reason Kane only won one Oscar. On Ambersons RKO used Welles' absence from
the country (making a wartime Good Neighbor film at the personal request of
Nelson Rockefeller) and a supposedly negative preview (actually almost half
the responses were favorable) as license to re-work the film and then
destroyed the footage so it couldn't be restored. Even David Selznick
requested that a print of the original Ambersons (actually never more than
a rough cut) be deposited at MOMA but RKO refused. Kane and Ambersons
actually did lose money but they were prestige projects to begin with and
it's pretty clear that the studio didn't give them a real push anyway.
From all this Welles got a reputation of being difficult and always running
over-budget, charges which aren't really true since he proved that he could
bring a studio film under budget and under time. And he was willing to
compromise as his memoes on Ambersons and Touch of Evil show (not to
mention his own reworking of Macbeth) but was rarely given the chance.
LT
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Adventures In Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm
Outsider Music Mailing List
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm
Documentary Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
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Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 08:11:34
From: "Andrew Nairn" <moretap@hotmail.com>
Subject: foreign synth pop
hey zornlist,
I heard the end of some Italian 80s song on some tape in class. It had lots
of dinky keyboards and female vocals singing "doot doot doot." Anyway, it
sounded great, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend any foreign
language 80s synth pop/ new wave (french, italian, etc.) similar to early
Etienne Daho, or early Mecano.
thanks,
-Andrew Nairn
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 18:27:03 +0100
From: duncan youngerman <y-man@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: "foreign" synth pop
Don't know if it would be kitch enough for you, but the french duo band Rita
Mitsouko stood out in the 80's with their new wave intelligence & humor=2E
"Le No Comprendo" is their best album, I think (includes "C'est comme =E7a" =
and
other hits)=2E
Might not be "bad" enough for you (they're actually good!), but give it a tr=
y=2E
DY
> I was wondering if anyone could recommend any foreign
> language 80s synth pop/ new wave (french, italian, etc=2E) similar to earl=
y
> Etienne Daho, or early Mecano=2E
>
> thanks,
>
> -Andrew Nairn
>
> -
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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:01:06 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: re: top tens of 2001 NO ZC
In a message dated 01.04.02 17:29:23, rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Prozac Nation - Lauren Selter
it's interesting that you mention this book, rob. i read this book early in
2001, and was really into it. if anyone else read it and was interested, a
good complementary book to it, which is a little dry but still interesting,
is a book called 'toxic psychiatry' by dr. peter breggin. very
interesting... (rubs chin like freud)
love,
kate.
- -----
hard to be an easy to please composer.
(mike rosenthal)
where there's a mission, there's a missionary.
(jim altieri)
k a t e p e t e r s o n
composer / performer
<A HREF="mailto:UFOrbK8@aol.com">UFOrbK8@aol.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:03:54 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: Re: "foreign" synth pop
In a message dated 01.05.02 03:46:40, y-man@wanadoo.fr writes:
>Don't know if it would be kitch enough for you, but the french duo band
>Rita
>
>Mitsouko stood out in the 80's with their new wave intelligence & humor.
>
>"Le No Comprendo" is their best album, I think (includes "C'est comme =E7a"
>and
>
>other hits).
>
>Might not be "bad" enough for you (they're actually good!), but give it
>a try.
another foreign language synth pop group (albeit not from the 80s) i would=20
have to reccomend would of course be early stereolab, before they started=20
being almost all in english... emperor tomato ketchup is just such a=20
brilliant album...
kp
>
>
- -----
hard to be an easy to please composer.
(mike rosenthal)
where there's a mission, there's a missionary.
(jim altieri)
k a t e p e t e r s o n
composer / performer
<A HREF=3D"mailto:UFOrbK8@aol.com">UFOrbK8@aol.com</A>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
- -
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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:50:21 -0800
From: "Rev. Floyd Errors" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: Re: foreign pynch pop
>>>I heard the end of some Italian 80s song on some tape in class.
It had lots
of dinky keyboards and female vocals singing "doot doot doot."<<<
This, and others like it, can be found in Deleuze and Guattari's
_The Italian Wedding Fake Book_.
- -
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Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:01:10
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: a few CDs for sale
Hello:
As always, sorry if it is tacky to be doing this, but most of these are
pretty Zorn-related, plus they are in great shape and I am not asking a lot
of $$$ ($7-9 ppd. in the US for most). So, here goes:
Bill Frisell - Nashville (Nonesuch)
Bill Frisell - Good Dog, Happy Man (Nonesuch)
Bill Frisell - Gone, Just Like a Train (Nonesuch)
Eugene Chadbourne - Beauty and the Bloodsucker (Leo)
Motor Humming - Musical Almunium (Tzadik New Japan Series)
Fred Frith - The Traffic Continues (Winter & Winter)
Dave Douglas - Parallel Worlds (Soul Note)
Uri Caine/Zohar - Keter (Knitting Factory)
And slightly less list-related:
Ingram Marshall - Fog Tropes (New Albion)
UZ Jsme Doma - The Ears (Skoda)
Kazutoki Umezu Klezmer Orchestra - Betsuni Nanmo Klezmer (Nani) [this would
be a little bit more since it's a hard-to-find Japanese import, but not much
more.]
I have a few things for trade (only) too -- ask me if you would like to see
the (short) list; I finally have it together, so if you asked before, just
remind me. I'm not so organized these days.
Thanks for looking,
WY
P.S. The new Tim Berne, 'Open, Coma', is great (as expected). Haven't had
time to really digest it; hopefully I can comment more later.
_________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:18:24 +0000
From: "Ricardo Jorge" <ricardoviseu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Arto Lindsay moovies
chanel called Muzzik
>
>
> >
> > hi! I just saw a movie/documentary on Arto called
> > "simply are" and somewere
>
>Where did you find that?! Any European TV channel or
>just a video for sale in stores? (which I'd find
>strange).
>I'm not a Lindsay heavy-fan but video material is
>always interesting.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>EfrΘn
>
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:27:57 -0500
From: "Brian Olewnick" <olewnick@gis.net>
Subject: LOLO on disc
Anyone know where I could possibly get a copy of the Love of Life
Orchestra's Extended Niceties/Geneve that was briefly available on disc a
few years back? I have (and greatly enjoy) the vinyl but would love to have
them on CD. Thanks.
Brian Olewnick
NP: electrelane - Gabriel (from the WIRE sampler; cool track)
- -
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 01:07:32 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
Subject: Big Apple Ideas (no Z-con)
My friend is going to New York City for the first time, so I thought I'd ask
everyone on this list for any suggestions of 'cheap' places to stay (Banana
Bungalow? Gershwin Rooms? any good?), and things going on while he's there
(Jan. 9-17). Thanks. Please email me offlist...
np: Can Horrorshow In The Paperhouse
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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:47:33 +1100
From: "Adam Rock" <arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au>
Subject: AMM Suggestions
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Thanks,
Adam
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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1904 18:03:14 +0100
From: duncan youngerman <y-man@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Ligeti project
A few people mentioned a "Ligeti project" among their Best of 2001 cd's.
Could someone shed a light on what it consists of specifically: (Ligeti
reworked by other musicians? A compilation of some of his works? New
recordings of his complete oeuvre? What label? etc.)
Thank you!
DY
- -
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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:46:44 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: Esquivel/Easy Listening/Exotica/Lounge
Hello list,
the last CD I bought in 2001 was an ESQUIVEL compilation titled SPACE-AGE
BACHELOR PAD MUSIC. I've read a lot about him and his music and the
rebirth/interest it gained in the 90's. Anyway, I was very surprised to see
John Zorn mentioned in the liner notes and how he's considered somekind of a
"pop avant-gardist". Well, the lounge/exotica interest has grown in me and
I was checking out a collection of albums titled "ULTRA LOUNGE" which are
divided in categories as "Film Music", "Swinging", "Mambo", etc. Has anyone
listened to this records? Which one do you recommend? What other compilatons
or artists/albums do you recommend for this type of music?
Thanks
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
NP. FAITH NO MORE - album of the year
NV. TWIN PEAKS - First Season DVD (Excellent Box)
- -
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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:06:23 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: ultralounge.
in my opinion, all of the ultralounge compilation CDs are good, but there are
three which stand out for me:
1. MAMBO MADNESS. this CD is seriously amazing. i don't think it would be
nearly so cool except that there is this one song on it with some soprano who
takes the high C nastier and more perfectly than any pop singer i've ever
heard... oh yeah...
2. ORGANS IN ORBIT. not as cool as mambo madness, but it's pretty hip. it's
kind of like what the beastie boys' in sound from way out would have been if
it had been done in the 60s and wasn't quite so cool.
3. THE CRIME SCENE. spy themes! i'm partial to this one because i'm writing
a big orchestra piece (titled, aptly enough, maxwell smart) based on fugues
i'm writing on spy themes. plus there are just some filthy nelson riddle
orchestra performances.
the ultralounge series is particularly great because all of the stuff is
mixed down to 24 channel hi-fi... <droooooooool>
love,
k8.
n.p. - k.d. lang, live by request.
- -----
hard to be an easy to please composer.
(mike rosenthal)
where there's a mission, there's a missionary.
(jim altieri)
k a t e p e t e r s o n
composer / performer
<A HREF="mailto:UFOrbK8@aol.com">UFOrbK8@aol.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
- -
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:50:55 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ultralounge.
> in my opinion, all of the ultralounge compilation CDs are good, but there are
> three which stand out for me:
>
> 1. MAMBO MADNESS. this CD is seriously amazing. i don't think it would be
> nearly so cool except that there is this one song on it with some soprano who
> takes the high C nastier and more perfectly than any pop singer i've ever
> heard... oh yeah...
And you're probably better off with Perez Prado or Machito comps of the real
stuff. The Capitol stuff was largely ersatz stuff. And they picked Chuy
Reyes' single dumbest cut.
> 3. THE CRIME SCENE. spy themes! i'm partial to this one because i'm writing
> a big orchestra piece (titled, aptly enough, maxwell smart) based on fugues
> i'm writing on spy themes. plus there are just some filthy nelson riddle
> orchestra performances.
The Rhino CRIMEJAZZ volumes (there are two) are much better and are actually
the real stuff. The UL volume is a lot of knock-offs.
>
> the ultralounge series is particularly great because all of the stuff is
> mixed down to 24 channel hi-fi... <droooooooool>
and a lot of the mix recreations were misguided and inaccurate. In fact, a
few were backwards!
>
>
skip h
np: NRBQ AT YANKEE STADIUM
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