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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #663
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, December 23 2001 Volume 03 : Number 663
In this issue:
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Re: Prince
Re: Prince
Re: Prince
Re: Prince
Re: Best of 2001
Odp: avant-elitism (anti-elitism, girls)
4X4 (was: Re: top 10)
Re: avant-elitism (anti-elitism, girls)
RE: avant-elitism (anti-elitism, girls)
RE: my top 10 list / DAVID LYNCH
Re: 4X4 (was: Re: top 10)
...back to james...
Re: Prince
RE: ...back to james...
Re: French Bands(No Zorn)
DVD Query
Re: DVD Query
some Cds for sale
nonzorn) improv columns now online- koenig
Attn: Case Sinclair
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:18:22 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Prince
In a message dated 12/22/01 9:53:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
parksplace@hotmail.com writes:
<< I know prince has been discussed on the list before so...What's the word on
his new album, The Rainbow Children? What's so "controversial" about it? >>
Unsure about the "controversial" aspects of it, outside of the fact that
Prince shunned the major labels and released it on his own NRG label. It's
one of the year's best, IMO-a slick mix of freek-funk and jazz-fusion with
some of the best guitar playing by the man since, um, _Controversy_ .
- --
=dg=
- -
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:45:09 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Prince
> What's this about Jehovah's Witnesses? Has our purple sex fiend turned
> good?
>
> Zach
>
Depends on what you mean by "good", but, yes, he has declared himself to now
be a Jehovah's Witness and has promised no more foul language on his
records.
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:32:19 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Prince
In a message dated 12/23/01 1:22:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ssmith36@sprynet.com writes:
<< How's THAT for two sides of the coin? >>
Hee...I thought the same thing after I read your comments (and *after* I sent
mine to the list.) FWIW, _The Rainbow Children_ picked up some positive
comments on the rec.music.progressive NG too-not exactly a group of people
I'd figure to embrace much of Prince's oeuvre.
- --
=dg=
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 05:08:39 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Prince
In a message dated 12.23.01 01:43:22, velaires@earthlink.net writes:
>> What's this about Jehovah's Witnesses? Has our purple sex fiend turned
>> good?
>>
>> Zach
>>
>Depends on what you mean by "good", but, yes, he has declared himself to
>now
>be a Jehovah's Witness and has promised no more foul language on his
>records.
wow. this is really unfortunate. not only is the idea of jehovah's
witnessdom terrifying, but even more terrifying is the prospect of prince's
albums no longer being suggestive or lewd. in my opinion, possibly his most
redeeming album is/was diamonds and pearls - for all its cheesiness, songs
like gett off and cream fucking blow me away - just how he makes rawness so
funky and work so brilliantly without making you feel, you know, kind of icky
when you turn the CD off. it's just raw energy. i think something about
prince's unabashed sexuality probably drives (drove? eek) his music more
than anything else -- it would be like madonna declaring her reunitance with
the catholic church and denying what gave her her roots in pop culture. i
find it to be ironic and rather hippocritical - chastise the thing which gave
you life, basically... hee...
k8.
- -----
nothing in moderation.
(ernie kovacs)
where there's a mission, there's a missionary.
(jim altieri)
k a t e p e t e r s o n
composer / performer
<A HREF="mailto:UFOrbK8@aol.com">UFOrbK8@aol.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:33:02 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Best of 2001
> Graham Connah: Because of Wayne / The Only Song We Know (Evander)
I've got his three releases on Rastascan, is this more of the same?
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:00:43 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: avant-elitism (anti-elitism, girls)
> But I don't expect Pierre Boulez to listen to FREAK OUT :-).
Does anyone know any comments by Boulez about the recording of the perfect
stranger?
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:05:08 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: 4X4 (was: Re: top 10)
OK, it's on the top of my wish list. (and good luck with your japanese exam)
> Carla Bley's usual wit, quirky unexpected changes, and of course her
skills
> for mid and large ensembles arrangements (in this case an octet- four
reeds)
> which make it an excellent listening. And above all, it is fun! Buy it!!
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:44:52 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <r.takken@planet.nl>
Subject: Re: avant-elitism (anti-elitism, girls)
Pierre Boulez once talked very friendly about Zappa's compositions in a
Zappa TV documentary in the nineties.
Furthermore, he once said something along the lines of: 'he is not an
ordinary pop musician 'doing' classical' Zappa has a remarkable ear, and
that is rarely seen in the pop world'. Or something like that.
I am quite sure I have both comments somewhere on paper (Biography?)and
videotape (1992 BBC documentary?), but if you don't mind, I won't bother
finding the exact locations for you (on holiday now...)
Regards, Remco Takken
Does anyone know any comments by Boulez about the recording of the perfect
stranger?
- -
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:46:28 +0100
From: "Franz Fuchs" <f.fuchs@gmx.net>
Subject: RE: avant-elitism (anti-elitism, girls)
> On Behalf Of Marcin Gokieli
>
> > But I don't expect Pierre Boulez to listen to FREAK OUT :-).
>
> Does anyone know any comments by Boulez about the recording
> of the perfect
> stranger?
Zappa is mentioned in this interesting "Andante"-interview with Boulez:
http://www.andante.com/magazine/article.cfm?id=12725
Regards
Franz Fuchs
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:02:48 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: my top 10 list / DAVID LYNCH
Region 0 will work on US machines. The HONG KONG pilot DVD of Twin peaks is
the original pilot, not the stupid european ending version you talked about,
this is the real thing. I found it at LASERSEDGE.COM , I think it's the
cheapest place to get it. $19.99 if I remember correctly.
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
NP. JAMES - laid
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:13:22 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: 4X4 (was: Re: top 10)
Hi,
Marcin wrote:
> OK, it's on the top of my wish list. (and good luck with your japanese
exam)
Thanks a lot but I have no Japanese exam!! That was Neil! :-) I have a
German exam in five weeks so I take that good will of yours anyway. And good
luck to Neil (I think we both need it)
Best,
EfrΘn
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n.r: George Orwell "Animal Farm"
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:56:14 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: ...back to james...
>NP. JAMES - laid
i wanted to mention this before when the james thread was going around.
this album, laid, seriously changed the way i listen to and write music. i'm
pretty sure i bought laid the first week it came out simply because i was a
jaded type kid and was shooting for obscure records, but it all totally came
into place. i don't think there is a single bad song on this album, the
production (brian eno!) is SO great - i love how low and quiet so many of the
mixes are, while the rock songs are still rockin', the lyrics are pretty
brilliant, and laid the single is probably my favourite "pop" song ever
written. it's one of those songs i listen to when i feel like things are in
the shitter.
in this same vein, i am very fond of (please don't choke) the lightning seeds
album sense. i just feel like it is such a well done, beautiful, full album.
what can i say - i'm a sucker for britpop...
k8.
- -----
nothing in moderation.
(ernie kovacs)
where there's a mission, there's a missionary.
(jim altieri)
k a t e p e t e r s o n
composer / performer
<A HREF="mailto:UFOrbK8@aol.com">UFOrbK8@aol.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:00:23 -0500
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Prince
Has he really had his "eyes opened" or was singing about sex all the time
not shocking enough?
Zach
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Skip Heller" <velaires@earthlink.net>
To: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>; <ssmith36@sprynet.com>; "'Zornlist'"
<zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Prince
> What's this about Jehovah's Witnesses? Has our purple sex fiend turned
> good?
>
> Zach
>
Depends on what you mean by "good", but, yes, he has declared himself to now
be a Jehovah's Witness and has promised no more foul language on his
records.
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:17:37 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: ...back to james...
JAMES laid
i don't think there is a single bad song on this album, the
production (brian eno!) is SO great
- --------------------------------
You were talking a few days ago about "Just like Fred Astaire", which I have
to agree is an excellent beautiful pop song ... but to me, the one that
makes the hair on the back of my head stand is OUT TO GET YOU ... and to
choose that lovely slow song to OPEN the LAID album is just fascinating.
Oh, ... and I still think that Pleased to Meet You is quite great ..
although I listened to Millionaires yesterday and it's really really great
... don't know which one is better. And speaking of their albums ... what
do you think of WHIPLASH? It's very techno and different ... and I know
that it didn't sell very well (plus it didn't have that ENO production) ...
but I like it very much. What are your points of view?
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:56:13 +0200
From: Oger <oger@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re: French Bands(No Zorn)
>
>From: Poisonhead@aol.com
>
>A quick question to the list...
>I am trying to find a mailorder service here in states that carries
>the odd child-like (mostly french) bands. I own most of Klimperei's
>discs, Pascal Camelade, & Pierre Bastien. But really looking for
>dragibus. Wayside carries the "In Poly Sons" label. Any other
>suggestions. Thanks in advance!
>
>Andrew
>
Dragibus contacts :
http://www.netlaputa.ne.jp/~lili/dragibus.html
e-mail: <dragib@club-internet.fr>
Jacques Oger
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:13:57 -0800
From: "Rev. Floyd Errors" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: DVD Query
So, what Music DVD should I use to initiate that spiffy new DVD
player I'm getting for Christmas?
High art recommendations only, please.
- -
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:14:37 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: DVD Query
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 11:13:57AM -0800, Rev. Floyd Errors wrote:
> So, what Music DVD should I use to initiate that spiffy new DVD
> player I'm getting for Christmas?
>
> High art recommendations only, please.
So far, I'm very happy with the DVD of Erik Friedlander's "Skin", the
documentary "Merce Cunningham: A Lifetime of Dance", the "Immersion"
DVD (featuring music by Pauline Oliveros, Lukas Ligeti, Meredith Monk,
Paul Dolden and others), the DVDs on Mode of music by Roger Reynolds
and Morton Subotnick, and the New Jakarta Ensemble's
"Congeniality". I'm also eager to get the DVDs of Glass's "Satyagraha"
and Robert Wilson's "Alceste", if I ever have money again.
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:30:08 +0100
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: some Cds for sale
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Hi,
Sorry about the "business-oriented" contents of this e-mail.
Here are some CDs I'd love to get rid off:
MATT DARRIAU'S PARADOX TRIO "Flying at a Slant" (KFR)
CYRO BAPTISTA/KEVIN BREIT "Supergenerous" (Blue Note)
WHAT WE LIVE "Trumpets" (Black Saint)
BOBBY PREVITE "Too Close to the Pole" (Enja)
KAZUTOKI UMEZU "Ecclecticism: Live at the Knitting Factory" (KFR)
BILL FRISELL "Music From the Films of Buster Keaton: Go West" (Elektra)
THE BILL FRISELL BAND "Lookout for Hope" (ECM)
BILL FRISELL "Quartet" (Elektra)
BILL FRISELL + FRED HERSCH "Songs we Know" (Elektra)
BILL FRISELL + ELVIS COSTELLO "Deep Dead Blue" (Elektra)
MYTH-SCIENCE "Love in Outer Space" (KFR) (Sun Ra tribute w/ Anthony =
Coleman, Briggan Krauss, Ed Ware,...)
PHILLIP JOHNSTON'S BIG TROUBLE "Flood at the Ant Farm" (Black Saint)
CALVIN WESTON/JAMADELEEN TACUMA/JAMES BLOOD ULMER "Dance Romance" =
(In+Out)
RALPH CARNEY "Ralph Sounds" (Birdman Records)
THE JAZZ PASSENGERS "Plain Old Joe" (KFR)
THE GOLDEN PALOMINOS "Drunk with Passion" (Nation)
KRONOS QUARTET W/ ASTOR PIAZZOLLA "Five Tango Sensations" (Elektra)
HALF JAPANESE "Music to Strip By" (LSR)
BRUCE ACKLEY TRIO w/ JOEY BARON, GREG COHEN "The Hearing" (Avant)
GARY THOMAS "Pariah's Pariah" (Winter & Winter)
If anybody's interested, contact me off-list. Please note I'm located in =
Spain (that might make you think twice. You know, shipping costs!)
Best,
Efr=E9n del Valle
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sorry about the "business-oriented" contents of this =
e-mail.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Here are some CDs I'd love to get rid =
off:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>MATT DARRIAU'S PARADOX TRIO "Flying at a Slant"=20
(KFR)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>CYRO BAPTISTA/KEVIN BREIT "Supergenerous" (Blue=20
Note)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>WHAT WE LIVE "Trumpets" (Black Saint)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>BOBBY PREVITE "Too Close to the Pole" =
(Enja)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>KAZUTOKI UMEZU "Ecclecticism: Live at the Knitting =
Factory"=20
(KFR)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>BILL FRISELL "Music From the Films of Buster Keaton: =
Go West"=20
(Elektra)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>THE BILL FRISELL BAND "Lookout for Hope" =
(ECM)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>BILL FRISELL "Quartet" (Elektra)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>BILL FRISELL + FRED HERSCH "Songs we Know"=20
(Elektra)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>BILL FRISELL + ELVIS COSTELLO "Deep Dead Blue"=20
(Elektra)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>MYTH-SCIENCE "Love in Outer Space" (KFR) (Sun Ra =
tribute w/=20
Anthony Coleman, Briggan Krauss, Ed Ware,...)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PHILLIP JOHNSTON'S BIG TROUBLE "Flood at the Ant =
Farm" (Black=20
Saint)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>CALVIN WESTON/JAMADELEEN TACUMA/JAMES BLOOD ULMER =
"Dance=20
Romance" (In+Out)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>RALPH CARNEY "Ralph Sounds" (Birdman =
Records)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>THE JAZZ PASSENGERS "Plain Old Joe" =
(KFR)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>THE GOLDEN PALOMINOS "Drunk with Passion"=20
(Nation)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>KRONOS QUARTET W/ ASTOR PIAZZOLLA "Five Tango =
Sensations"=20
(Elektra)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>HALF JAPANESE "Music to Strip By" (LSR)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>BRUCE ACKLEY TRIO w/ JOEY BARON, GREG COHEN "The =
Hearing"=20
(Avant)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>GARY THOMAS "Pariah's Pariah" (Winter &=20
Winter)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If anybody's interested, contact me off-list. =
Please note=20
I'm located in Spain (that might make you think twice. You know, =
shipping=20
costs!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Efr=E9n del Valle</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:55:21 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: nonzorn) improv columns now online- koenig
hi everyone- happy healthy fun year to all.
my latest columns: composed improvised & between
are online without any ads:
http://www.lafolia.com/koenigrisk.htm
"Incredible Risks: Strange and Improvised Musics"
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Knurl; Buddy DeFranco; Marlon Simon and the Nagual Spirits;=20
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The Erk=C3=B6se EnsembleGypsy Music of Turkey
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Ligeti, Stockhausen & Gunter Hampel on 9/11; Marc-Anthony Turnage;=20
Peter Epstein; Peter Erskine; Berlin/Abbado; Pollini;Britten=E2=80=99s War=20
Requiem; Evelyn Glennie; Var=C3=A8se; George Tsontakis; CHEN Yi;=20
Maurizio Pollini; American Composers Orchestra=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CTechnology=
=20
and the Orchestra,=E2=80=9D=20
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:30:54 -0500
From: "Sh" <subexistence@hotmail.com>
Subject: Attn: Case Sinclair
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