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Zorn List Digest      Saturday, December 15 2001      Volume 03 : Number 643



In this issue:
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       Open Coma (was: black compositions)
       Looking for Bruno Bissonnette's e-mail [No Zorn Content]
       re: otomo yoshihide
       boots Arto, Ribot, Otomo,...
       RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #640
       RE: black compositions/Vu/Berne
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #640
       Duke Pearson
       Re: Duke Pearson
       Re: Duke Pearson
       Re: Joey Baron, Was: Re: black compositions
       Re: Johnny Guitar Watson (was: Joey  was: Jim)
       Sonny Sharrock/CIMP
       Chuck Schuldiner R.I.P.
       RE: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:00:03 +0100
From: "Mads Ruby" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Open Coma (was: black compositions)

Marcin Gokieli wrote:

> > 7. I noticed a few minutes ago on the Screwgun website that the long =
await
> ed 2CD Berne big band set, 'Open Coma,' is now available: =
http://www.screwgu
> nrecords.com/coma.htm
>=20
> Any more info? did you hear them live, or maybe you (or anyone here) =
just ha
> ve the cd?
>=20


I=B4ve seen Berne play three times with the Copenhagen Art Ensemble, and =
I think the new CD was recorded here in Copenhagen in january. The =
project has been going on for almost two years, and went from a very =
promising start to an awesome gig featuring Herb Robertson, Marc Ducret, =
and of course something like 12-14 other musicians, I forget how many.=20

Berne did a fantastic job arranging this stuff for big band, my advice =
would be to get it. It=B4s a limited edition, right? - Anyone have the =
disc already?

cheers
Mads


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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:25:42
From: "William York" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Looking for Bruno Bissonnette's e-mail [No Zorn Content]

Sincerest apologies to the rest of the list members, all several hundred of
you ...

BB,

I lost your email and had a question to ask you about the Merzbow CD.

Thanks,

WY



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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:15:56 -0500
From: "Howard Stelzer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: otomo yoshihide

>i was looking for some recomendations for otomo yoshihide's material. >I
>only have the tzadik album "cathode" and his duo with christian  >so >i
>don't know where to start!

Personally, I think his best work is his improvised turntable music. Two
essential CDs are "Four Focuses" (Amoebic, Japan) with Otomo, Sachiko M,
Martin Tereault and Yasuhiro Otani playing solos and duos in various
combinations, and "21 Situations" (Ambiences Magnetiques, Canada) of duos
with Martin Tereault. They're both pretty stunning.

Hope this helps!

Howard Stelzer. Intransitive Recordings.
www.intransitiverecordings.com

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int018 GAL "Relisten" CD

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int019 HOWARD STELZER AND JASON TALBOT "Songs" CD
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:42:23 +0000
From: "Ricardo Jorge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: boots Arto, Ribot, Otomo,...

does anyone has Arto Lindsay, Marc Ribot or Otomo Yoshihide bootlegs for
trade????? audio or video

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:19:20 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #640

Correct you are. My bad.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Propaghandi, "Ordinary People Do Fucked-Up Things When Fucked-Up Things
Become Ordinary," 'Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes' (Fat Wreck Chords)

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[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Craig S Nixon
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:56 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #640


Steve Smith wrote:
>>The earliest version of Human Feel did have a bass player, John
Silverman, but later versions did not.

Mebbe so, but the bassist on the disc mentioned, "Scatter", was Joe
Fitzgerald.  Available (for 8.99, I might add) here:
http://www.gmrecordings.com/gm3024.htm.

OK, back to lurking again....

craig nixon
revolution in sound
greenville, sc
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:24:52 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: black compositions/Vu/Berne

Steve the Great? Hardly! Steve the Loudmouth, more like.

The only way I can imagine finding the first Human Feel disc is via Jim or
Chris - I'd assume you could drop a line through their websites. I got mine
from Jim a few years back when I was setting up the original Screwgun
website.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Propaghandi, "New Homes for Idle Hands," 'Today's Empires, Tomorrow's
Ashes' (Fat Wreck Chords)


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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:12:35 -0500
From: "Dave Smey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #640

>
> Mebbe so, but the bassist on the disc mentioned, "Scatter", was Joe
> Fitzgerald.  Available (for 8.99, I might add) here:
> http://www.gmrecordings.com/gm3024.htm.
>
Wow, I'd really recommend that disc for up-scooping.  It has a certain
youthful, idealistic enthusiasm about it that I miss on Welcome to Malpesta.

I was just playing it for some people the other day, in fact, and they were,
like, "wow, what is this?" and I was like, "dude, it's this band called
Human Feel," and they were like "oh wow."  I mean, like, totally.  It's that
kind of record.



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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:57:40 -0800
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Duke Pearson

Does anyone have the personnel info for Duke Pearson's WAHOO album? Pretty
amazing stuff.  A great deal of proto Dave Douglas Sextet action here.  But
the copy I have has no personnel (it sure sounds like Joe Handerson and
Donald Byrd, but who's the third horn player, bassist, and drummer?) or
recording dates.

Thanks --
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com

np: Perez Prado/Shorty Rogers, VOODOO SUITE



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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:16:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Duke Pearson

Skip:

From a pic in the Blue Note Album Cover Art book:

Donald Byrd
James Spaulding
Joe Henderson
Bob Cranshae
Mickey Roker

Spaulding is your (missing) man playing alto saxophone
and any flute you hear.

Ken Waxman

- --- Skip Heller <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Does anyone have the personnel info for Duke
> Pearson's WAHOO album? Pretty
> amazing stuff.  A great deal of proto Dave Douglas
> Sextet action here.  But
> the copy I have has no personnel (it sure sounds
> like Joe Handerson and
> Donald Byrd, but who's the third horn player,
> bassist, and drummer?) or
> recording dates.
>
> Thanks --
> skip heller
> http://www.skipheller.com
>
> np: Perez Prado/Shorty Rogers, VOODOO SUITE
>
>
>
> -
>


=====
Ken Waxman
[e-mail]
www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos

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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:28:11 -0800
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Duke Pearson

> Skip:
>
> From a pic in the Blue Note Album Cover Art book:
>
> Donald Byrd
> James Spaulding
> Joe Henderson
> Bob Cranshae
> Mickey Roker
>
> Spaulding is your (missing) man playing alto saxophone
> and any flute you hear.
>
> Ken Waxman

What's really amazing is that that's Mickey Roker, with whom I have played.
He sounds very different on here.

Thank you for the personnel list.
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com



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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 17:09:22 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Joey Baron, Was: Re: black compositions

Skip Heller wrote:
Is "soul jazz" less worthy than the usual tripe-o-phonic contriv-o-matic
post-Ornette/post-Miles/post-modern posturing that passes for new music
these days?

Err, by guys like John Zorn??
Remco


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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 17:06:46 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Johnny Guitar Watson (was: Joey  was: Jim)

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In Europe, JGW was a cult hero, and is still well known to almost =
everyone over thirty, and many younger people who listen to the radio: =
'A real mother for you' is still a regularly broadcasted golden oldie. =
Watson was one of the most strikingly recognisable blues guitar players, =
and very important in giving funk and disco some extra credibility. =
Indeed, Watson had different phases in his career.

When he died, German TV repeated a complete concert, with a British horn =
section (I recognised the great Paul Dunmall playing tenor).

To me, the thing that took some of the magic off of Watson guitar style, =
was when I actually got to see what it was that he did exactly. During =
this 1977 gig, Watson seemed a bit of a one trick pony. No matter what =
song the group was playing, Watson used a capodastro to be able to play =
all his characteristic bends, and (blues) solos in the same, still =
completely unique, fingering style.=20

In fact, Watson played all his solos in the same key (I forgot whether =
it was the A-fingering, or the E-fingering). After one-and-a-half hours =
of this, I concluded that whoever taped this show, would have owned the =
complete Johnny Guitar Watson Guitar Instructional video. I had a great =
time listening to his songs and playing, though.

 His personal friend George Duke helped him a lot when starting his =
'funky' comeback around 1975. Watson kept on playing the blues though, =
wity a funky accompaniment.=20

There is printed evidence of the complete Zappa/ Duke/ Watson story, =
related to Watsons funky comeback, I just don't remember where I read =
it. could be in David Gray's bio MOTHER!

That aside, there are many moments in Zappa's guitar playing, where he =
openly cites Watsons fingering (on the original vinyl version of Cruisin =
with Ruben & the Jets, Zappa's clean electric guitar is up front in the =
mix).

The song 'I don't Even Care' (on the Meets the Mothers of Prevention =
album), has Watson singing, and Zappa copying his guitar style!!!=20

Now, some dry discographical infos on this album, only for those who are =
interested in seeking out the best pressing:

This 1985 title came out on the verge of cd-era: there are many =
different masters on the second hand market.  Also, on vinyl Zappa put =
that one out in a 'European' and 'US' version, this song was not on the =
original US printing. You guys had 'Porn Wars', the PMRC protest piece.

The original European LP configuration was available on cd for a very =
short time, coupled with the original 'eighties mix of Jazz from hell.

As far as I know (I own this album only a modest three times;-) the =
longest version of I Don't Even Care is on the first Rykodisc edition =
(RCD 10023) from 1986. It's clocked 4'45 there, if someone can compare =
that to the current (1993) remaster: it's possible that that one is a =
whole minute shorter (the 1990 Bob Stone edition was already edited =
down).=20

Regards, Remco Takken

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he=20
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mix).</DIV>
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for those who=20
are interested in seeking out the best pressing:</DIV>
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different=20
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one out=20
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printing.=20
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very short=20
time, coupled with the original 'eighties mix of Jazz from =
hell.</DIV>
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longest=20
version of I Don't Even Care is on the first Rykodisc edition (RCD =
10023) from=20
1986. It's clocked 4'45 there, if someone can compare that to the =
current (1993)=20
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:48:51 -0500
From: Dwayne <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP

Hey all,

Just wondering if any of you, and I'm sure there are a few, have any
recommendations as far as Sonny Sharrock is concerned.  I recently
picked the newly re-issued Marzette and Company(originally on ESP) and I
think I've been miisng out.  I know Sonny Sharrock has done tons of
stuff but where should I start?  Is there a certain period I should
avoid?

I have also found myself picking a number of CIMP discs.  Any one have
any favorites?  So far I've gotten maybe a dozen but there are lots
more.


thanx for any help,
Dwayne

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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:41:45 +0100
From: Jeroen de Boer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Chuck Schuldiner R.I.P.

Check: www.emptywords.org



Jeroen


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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 17:08:51 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP

To discover Sharrock's work, I'd start at the end of his life. Pick up 'Ask
the Ages,' his final release, on the Axiom label. Laswell's production is
refreshingly unobtrusive, and the band (Pharoah Sanders, Charnette Moffett,
Elvin Jones) is solid as a rock. It's not Sharrock's freak-out mode, my any
stretch - it's more like a warm celebration of Coltrane circa '62-'64.

Moving backward, pick up a disc by Last Exit, the punk-free jazz supergroup
that also included Peter Brotzmann, Laswell and Ronald Shannon Jackson. The
studio disc 'Iron Path' is to be avoided by all but the utmost Laswell fan
(and those who own all the other discs), but aside from that, it's hard to
go wrong. My favorite is 'Cassette Recordings '87' on Celluloid, also
available under as 'From the Boards' on Enemy and under one of those titles
on Charly, too, I think.

Sharrock's debut disc, 'Black Woman,' has been reissued by East West in
Japan and by Collectables (I think) in the U.S. It's wild and shambolic and
frenzied and short. His then-wife Linda is fatured throughout, and her
quasi-operatic warbles and Yokoesque shrieks may come as a bit of an
acquired taste, but the disc features some pretty amazing drumming from
Milford Graves and the debut, I think, of Sharrock's lovely tune "Blind
Willie."

The next disc, 'Monkey-Pockie-Boo,' has a reputation for being wilder still.
I've not heard it, but it's just been reissued on vinyl by Get Back.

One sideman appearance that should not be missed is Pharoah Sanders's
'Tauhid,' a great, great album. You might also enjoy hearing Sharrock in the
context of Herbie Mann's slick, funky band, where he had been enlisted for
freak-out potential - Herbie's attempt to capture the spirit of the late
'60s, apparently. He sticks out like a sore thumb, but it can be fun to hear
for just that reason.

Avoid at all costs (like you'd even find a copy) 'Bird of Paradise,' the
wretched album Sonny and Linda made for Mann's Vertigo label. Even I can't
find anything nice to say about this meeting of two free-jazz free spirits
with cringe-inducing, slack jawed, head bobbing studio hacks. It's like
Thurston Moore guesting on an early Spyro Gyra album, but not as interesting
as that sounds.

There's more, of course, including the handful of discs Sharrock made with
his New York electric group for Enemy just prior to 'Ask the Ages' ("Dick
Dogs" is a stomping good tune, and Sharrock also wrings beauty out of Kate
Bush's "Wuthering Heights" (I think!) on 'Highlife.' These discs were a bit
slick, but potent nonetheless. A duo disc with Nicky Skopelitis on the CMP
label contained some very tasteful exotica, but the one to grab from this
period is the solo disc simply titled 'Guitar' - this one is kind of like a
Van der Graaf generator trying to imitate a music box. Just lovely.

===

As for CIMP, I dislike the sound quality in general on most of their
releases and don't buy very many of them, but still wouldn't want to be
without their Joe McPhee releases and the recent Braxton discs of (mostly)
Andrew Hill material.

Have fun!
Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Gordon Haskell, "Go Tell Sarah," 'Butterfly in China' (Blueprint)



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