They are distributed by Harmonia Mundi in the UK, so maybe there=B4s
something there....
Stephen Fruitman
Dept of Historical Studies
Ume=E5 University
SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:25:01 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: black compositions/Vu/Berne
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:14:51 EST Fastian@aol.com wrote:
>
> ssmith36@sprynet.com ( Steve The Great) writes:
>
> >>7. I noticed a few minutes ago on the Screwgun website that the long
> awaited 2CD Berne big band set, 'Open Coma,' is now available:
> http://www.screwgunrecords.com/coma.htm<<
>
> Thanks for the valuable info. I haven't checked the site for awhile. I
> ordered that puppy as well as the Empire Box set which is only $30.00!
Wasn't the Open Coma supposed to be released on CRI?
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:54:09 -0500
From: <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Re: black compositions/Vu/Berne
> Wasn't the Open Coma supposed to be released on CRI?
The Open Coma project that I had pushed CRI to release was the original octet version (bloodcount plus Marc Ducret, Baikida Carroll, Erik Friedlander and Dominique Pifarely - sp?). However, delays in fundraising and a change in management meant that the label was effectively moving too slowly for Tim to maintain faith in them. The version that Tim has self-released is with a larger group, the Cologne Arts Ensemble or something to that effect.
It's still entirely possible that the octet, or some other project, will eventually appear on CRI - the advisory board has already approved funding. The difficulty is that jazz musicians are generally used to things moving at a faster pace than most classical companies move (especially non-profit labels). If you look at the recording date on a given classical disc, it often takes a few years for recordings to be issued. Interestingly, the jazz column in this week's issue of Billboard talks to the head of CRI about just this need for faster turnaround in jazz.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:22:58 EST
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: A complicated Coltrane quartet concert question!
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Greetings list,
I need help sorting out a live Coltrane set I bought recently. The item in
question is a double CD called John Coltrane - The Complete Graz Concert,
British Charly CPCD 8262-2. There is no recording date listed on the
packaging (and I haven't opened it yet). According to some information posted
in a review at the Border's/Amazon website, this recording was made November
28 1962.
Now here's the problem: I also have the recently released John Coltrane -
Live Trane - The European Tours, Pablo 7PACD 4433-2, which is supposedly the
complete (?) 1961 - 1963 live European material. However, nothing in this set
is listed from the above 11/28/62 date - so....is the new box not so
complete, or is the Charly set date information wrong? Anyone?
I need help sorting out a live Coltrane set I bought recently. The item in question is a double CD called John Coltrane - The Complete Graz Concert, British Charly CPCD 8262-2. There is no recording date listed on the packaging (and I haven't opened it yet). According to some information posted in a review at the Border's/Amazon website, this recording was made November 28 1962. <BR>
<BR>
Now here's the problem: I also have the recently released John Coltrane - Live Trane - The European Tours, Pablo 7PACD 4433-2, which is supposedly the complete (?) 1961 - 1963 live European material. However, nothing in this set is listed from the above 11/28/62 date - so....is the new box not so complete, or is the Charly set date information wrong? Anyone?<BR>
Subject: Re: A complicated Coltrane quartet concert question!
Dale:
The date on your Graz recording is absolutely correct. The box set on Pablo is not comprehensive - it's a compilation by Eric Miller of highlights from the radio recordings made during Trane's 1961-63 tours. There's still a lot more material available than what was included in the fairly comprehensive box, and your two purchases should be more complementary than redundant.
Just to reveal the secret behind my spontaneously coughing up that factoid, please pay a visit to http://home.att.net/~dawild/, the home page of historian and discographer David Wild, possibly the world's leading expert on Coltrane's (and Ornette's) recorded output, official and otherwise. Everything is there, arranged ever so scrupulously by date (though I can't get the "news" section to work). Great fun.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
(obviously with a bit more time than usual on his hands in the office today...)
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:45:59 -0500
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: A complicated Coltrane quartet concert question!
According to Lewis Porter's definitive John Coltrane: His Life And
Music, the Graz concert was indeed Nov. 28.
The new box on Pablo is far from complete. Trane played numerous other
shows for Norman Granz on those tours.
Hope this helps clarify.
James Hale
TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
> Greetings list,
>
> I need help sorting out a live Coltrane set I bought recently. The
> item in question is a double CD called John Coltrane - The Complete
> Graz Concert, British Charly CPCD 8262-2. There is no recording date
> listed on the packaging (and I haven't opened it yet). According to
> some information posted in a review at the Border's/Amazon website,
> this recording was made November 28 1962.
>
> Now here's the problem: I also have the recently released John
> Coltrane - Live Trane - The European Tours, Pablo 7PACD 4433-2, which
> is supposedly the complete (?) 1961 - 1963 live European material.
> However, nothing in this set is listed from the above 11/28/62 date -
> so....is the new box not so complete, or is the Charly set date
> information wrong? Anyone?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dale.
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:45:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: A complicated Coltrane quartet concert question!
Dale:
First of all what one record company deems "complete"
isn't necessarily so, check the various versions of
Thelonious Monk's "complete" Blue Note recordings that
have come out over the years.
Second one idea may be to oipen the package and
aurally compare tracks. Sometimes different tracks end
up on different labels often under different names and
dates. Since it's Charly, part of the infamous BYG
group, I think, that's very likely.
Thirdly sometimes live concert material is actually
made up of bootlegs. Check the audio quality to see if
that seems so. (Not all boots have bad sound, but
..)And considering it's Charly -- see above
Fourthly check a JC discography on the Web (David Wild
has a good one) to see where the date fits, or if it
indeed exists.
Ken Waxman
- --- TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
> Greetings list,
>
> I need help sorting out a live Coltrane set I bought
> recently. The item in question is a double CD called
John Coltrane - The Complete Graz Concert, British
Charly CPCD 8262-2. this recording was made November
> 28 1962.
> Live Trane - The European Tours, Pablo 7PACD 4433-2,
> which is supposedly the complete (?) 1961 - 1963
live European material. However, nothing in this set
> is listed from the above 11/28/62 date
=====
Ken Waxman
mingusaum@yahoo.ca
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