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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #633
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, December 4 2001 Volume 03 : Number 633
In this issue:
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Re: Anode
trades?
The Amazing Anthony Cole
mu-ziq/glitch/IDM
Re: Anode
Re: mu-ziq/glitch/IDM
Re: Anode
Fwd: Anode
Erstwhile question
Re: Erstwhile question
New Electronica (was squarepusher)
Re: Re: Weather Sky/Erstwhile
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:08:13 -0500
From: "Brian Olewnick" <olewnick@gis.net>
Subject: Re: Anode
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>Any opinions on the new Otomo Yoshihide recording Anode?
I'm pretty fascinated by it. It's a pretty drastic formulation for =
improv within compositional restrictions. In these case, Otomo sets a =
few rules like not responding to what other musicians play (to the =
extent that's even possible), playing a new, different note or tone =
before your preceding one has dissipated, etc. At first, I was a little =
put off by the "calculatedness" of it and though some of the pieces were =
on the surface exciting but at core passionless. Gradually, I've come to =
think I was listening to it the "wrong way", ie, like traditional free =
improv pieces and have come to really enjoy it. This probably makes =
little sense, but I think Otomo might be onto something here...
Brian Olewnick
NP: Bale Seni Megasari - Java: Kecapi Suling
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:40:38 EST
From: Stinkipipi@aol.com
Subject: trades?
i'm looking for a batch of stuff, mostly on tzadik. i have a lot of stuff on
the knitting factory and shimmy disc labels. some still wrapped. let me know
what you're looking for if you're interested and have what i want. i'm only
looking for trades, though, at the moment i'm not looking to sell the discs
outright. here's what i'm after :
ronald shannon jackson : talkeye
ronald shannon jackson : red warrior (knitting factory reissue)
raz mesinai : before the law
john zorn : trembling before g-d
john zorn : filmworks x
masada : live at tonic 2001
thanks for looking
dave
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:54:42 -0600
From: parry@macconnect.com
Subject: The Amazing Anthony Cole
When Sam Rivers played those 75th birthday gigs at Sweet Basil's a while
back, a lot of the NYC guys were hovering around Anthony, and I gathered
there were attempts to lure him northward. However, he always seemed
pretty happy being a Florida slacker and has carved out a nice niche for
himself in Orlando, playing w/ Sam and otherwise sort of drifting from band
to band. He was leading a funk outfit called Kow for a while, playing
guitar and keyboards and singing. (They were fun but didn't seem to be able
to get it together to write songs, everything was just a long jam.)
Anthony's one of those guys who make other musicians gnash their teeth.
You can put any new instrument in front of him, and within 10 minutes he's
playing it better than guys who've been practicing for years. He also has
a really nice voice. (His mom, Linda, is a fantastic jazz vocalist.)
Anthony would show up at Sam's big band rehearsals w/ just a kick drum, a
snare and a cymbal and play astonishing stuff. He's very imaginative, and
has this ability to detonate a whole series of exposions w/o telegraphing
his intentions at all, so it really takes you by surprise. Most guys, you
can tell when they're getting ready for a big moment, they puff themselves
up and start swinging big, but Anthony can be blowing the roof off the
place and he kind of moves like he's just looking for his socks or
something. Two of my other favorite drummers are similarly deceptive --
Tom Ardolino from NRBQ, who often has an expression like someone enjoying a
pleasant daydream during a familiar commute, and Malcolm Travis from Sugar,
who always gazed down at his kit, brow furrowed, with the intense focus of
somebody re-taking their SATs.
Anthony's a more arresting player than Doug Mathews (w/ one "T"), but I
wonder if he'd be able to play as well himself in a trio w/ a flashier
bassist. I think the fact that Doug is steady as a rock and has a really
supportive, intelligent style lets Anthony do a lot of what he does. The
three of them really have a great balance, style and personality-wise. They
all have sly senses of humor. I remember one show at a little bar in
Melbourne, FL, where the stuff they were playing was so crazy and so
brilliant, people in the audience were just laughing giddily and socking
each other. Some of the best shows the trio played were at a coffee bar in
Melbourne that was always jammed w/ kids in their early 20s for the trio
gigs, and they'd just scream and holler when something grabbed them. Sam
always looked so at home there. The trio always went over great w/ the
college crowd at this dive called the Covered Dish in Gainesville, too. It
was fun to see the pile of misplaced shoes on the dance floor at the end of
the night.
Parry
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:09:30 -0500
From: "Andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
Subject: mu-ziq/glitch/IDM
> I'm personally a huge fan of Mu-Ziq's 'Lunatic Harness' CD and the
follow-up
> EP, 'Brace Yourself.' Haven't heard 'Tango n' vectif' and was kinda bored
by
> 'In Pine Effect.'
"Lunatic Harness" is my favorite..."Tango n' Vectif" is just great, too-
pure synths, no samples.
> I also liked the first Jega album on Planet Mu, 'Spectrum,'
> but haven't heard anything by him since.
> Wow, it's been kind of a long time since we've talked about this area of
> music. Who's out there making new music worth hearing in this field? I
keep
> reading about a Bogdan something-or-other...
mU-Ziq's "Planet mU" record label just puts out one great thing after
another.... he (mu-Ziq/mike paradinas) put out a record on there last year
under the name "Kid Spatula" called "Full Sunken Breaks" which was seriously
a return to his old ultra-poppy drill-n-bass sound (as opposed to the
semi-crappy "Royal Astronomy" record, which dabbled with orchestral and
tech-step sounds). It's ("full sunken breaks") a great record, and worth
checking out if you dig "lunatic harness" and that era of his sound.
Bogdan Raczynski's "My love I love" came out recently- it's very "pastoral"-
warm acoustic sounds and accordions, with bent voices a la "Windowlicker" by
Aphex Twin. It's very soothing and even beautiful. I'm not a big fan of his
other albums, which were SO abstract and noisy and messy and just nuts.
Other movers out there- Kid 606 and his label, "Tigerbeat 6"
(www.tigerbeat6.com) just put out one great thing after another. My personal
favorite is Cex- his record "role model" is glitchy, but much more melodic
and less noisy than 606's- Cex is more toward the hip hop end of the
spectrum, with occasional stuttered hip hop slams and vocal bits. Of course,
he occasionally goes nuts with the hardcore crazy beats, but either way,
it's good.
Anything on Tigerbeat 6, really- Cex, Blechtom from Blectum, Electric
Company, Dat Politics, Hrvatski, etc. - they're like an american answer to
Rephlex, but they all have a wicked sense of humor and slightly punk
attitiude, with no pretence. And, they're all like 20 years old.
I really like how artists are already beginning to apply glitch to other
genres, rather than just doing "glitch for glitch's sake" (Markus Popp/Oval,
and crew). The latest "Clicks and Cuts" and "Click Hop: Electric Ladyland"
on Mille Plateaux show people doing new things- glitch-house, click-hop,
stuttered breakbeat....good stuff is on the way.
andrew
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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:28:56 -0800
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Anode
simply the finest realization and extension of takayangi's concepts
regarding improvisation available. perhaps our favorite cd of the year,
followed closely by the the new ground that erstwhile continues breaking
with each release.
np. toshirou mayazumi/hirosi siotani - oto no hajimari wo motomete.
- - rdf.
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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:32:55 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: mu-ziq/glitch/IDM
Andrew wrote:
>
> And, they're all like 20 years old.
Well, except for Electric Company ... if he's like 20 years old, he wasn't
toilet-trained yet when he put out the first Debt of Nature cassette. (Of
course, some would use that cassette of evidence of just that, but ...)
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Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"For children are innocent and love justice; while most
of us are wicked and naturally prefer mercy"
-- G.K. Chesterton
np: The Fireman, _Rushes_
nr: Charles Brockden Brown, _Wieland, or The Transformation_
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:11:29 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anode
In a message dated 12/4/01 1:30:00 AM, revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com writes:
<< simply the finest realization and extension of takayangi's concepts
regarding improvisation available. >>
can you elaborate on what you mean by this? I'm aware that Otomo says in his
liner notes that "I think the music of Takayangi Masayuki has been a huge
influence on me in recent years.", and I'm pretty familiar with Takayanagi's
work, at least what's been released on CD thus far. I do hear some
connection, but I'd like to know what you mean by your statement. what are
"takayangi's concepts regarding improvisation"?
it's also noteworthy that Otomo studied under Takayanagi (why do both he and
you drop the second "a"? is that a transliteration thing?), but they had a
falling-out, and Otomo promised to never describe himself as a student of
Takayanagi's. unfortunately, Takayanagi died before this situation could be
resolved, so Otomo's promise remains in place. I believe that only one
student successfully graduated from Takayanagi's music school, Kazuo Imai.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:42:28 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Anode
>
> Any opinions on the new Otomo Yoshihide recording
> Anode?
>
Hi,
I just listened to "Anode" a couple of times and, to
be true, it's a tough experience :-) Really extreme,
so pay attention Merzbow fans.
The first and last themes are massive, noise
developements with a free-jazz drumming backdrop that
helps it become a bit more listenable. I like noise
but this was far too dense for my ears (maybe it just
wasn't my day).
The two remaining compositions have a slight John Cage
mood (as it says in the black label that comes with
all the Tzadik releases and I never remember the name
of). I found these to be a little boring in comparison
with the noisy stuff, but a good contrast anyway. They
require further attention.
No great insights, as you see. I'm convinced that
Anode requires repeated listenings to be enjoyed as it
deserves. All in all, an interesting Cd, but not among
my favorite 2001 Tzadiks.
Best,
EfrΘn del Valle
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:54:46 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Erstwhile question
HI,
Considering that everyone agrees on the overall
quality of most of Erstwhile releases, I'd like to
know if they have an European distributor. I've never
seen one of their Cds in Spain but an European distrib
would help me avoid online purchase, which I don't
generally like too much.
Thanks in advance,
EfrΘn
_______________________________________________________________
El Nokia 5510, un aspecto extra±o, un sonido genial.
Visite http://es.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/
descubra el Nokia 5510 y íllΘveselo!
El concurso acaba el 16 de diciembre de 2001.
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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 06:29:37 -0500
From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: Re: Erstwhile question
At 11:54 4/12/01 +0100, efr=E9n del valle wrote:
>Considering that everyone agrees on the overall
>quality of most of Erstwhile releases, I'd like to
>know if they have an European distributor. I've never
http://erstwhilerecords.com/distributors/distributors.asp
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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:53:00 +0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: New Electronica (was squarepusher)
>On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 06:04:55PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
> > Wow, it's been kind of a long time since we've talked about this area of
> > music. Who's out there making new music worth hearing in this field? I
>keep
> > reading about a Bogdan something-or-other...
I've been listening to DJ Spooky's latest "Under the Influence" quite a bit.
He goes for a very big, hyped up sound to be certain, but I think he pulls
it off better in his latest than in some of his earlier work. I like the CD
he has with Scanner as well. I've also enjoyed the latest by Techno Animal,
"Brotherhood of the Bomb." I think I prefer Radio Hades since the latest is
more focused on rap rather than just the trademark industrial processed
sounds. I've been a bit of a sucker for the diasporic Brit-Indo-Pakistani
locus of electronica--Loop Guru, State of Bengal, Banco de Gaia, which tends
to surface on the Six Degrees label. I think Talvin Singh is pretty
overrated but I've enjoyed his latest "Ha" as well as his earlier work this
year with the Master Musicians of Jajouka. Law and Auder records in the UK
is the center of a lot of DnB work. They have a couple of comps with Plug's
Luke Vibert called, oddly enough, "Avantgardism." (Whose version, I ask).
I like most of Muslimgauze's work though the more recently releases on his
labels haven't been as impressive. I really liked the fifth and sixth
editions of the Electric Ladyland comps on Mille Plateaux. Panacea is one
of the most interesting of the newer DnB artists, and I enjoy Patric Catani
and Kerosene as well. Does anyone have the new cliphop comp of Electric
Ladyland? How is it? Also, what do people think about Raz Mesinai and his
alter-ego Badawi? The first few releases were pretty so-so in my opinion,
but I ordered the Tzadik release recently as well as the new one on ROIR.
I'm curious about these. Other new electronica I've picked up include the
latest Alva Noto, Ekkehard Ehler and Stephan Matthieu's "Heroin," Pan
Sonic's Vakio and Aaltopiiri (sad to have arrived so late to these), TV
Pow's Mort aux Vaches, Random Inc's "Jerusalem" and on the ambient wallpaper
front, plenty of Delay, Pole, and Gas, whose first CD is my favorite, though
I like them all. I bought Aube's "Ricochetentrance" a couple of years ago
and I've been spinning it a lot recently. Are there Aube fans on the list?
Any comments?
On the avant-garde front--the abstract and jazzy versions--I've been buying
FMP releases of late--more Brotzmann and Charles Gayle's trio with Parker
and Ali. I sat through a good two hours of paper-grading accompaniment last
evening and found both artists to be as immersive a soundtrack for the
activity as the usual wallpaper that I listen to, which surprised me. I
don't usually have a lot of time to truly "listen" to things but I was
encouraged by the results from yesterday. I now have almost all of Sachiko
M's work at this point, and though I can only handle sine waves for one or
two nights every couple of weeks, I treasure both of the Nakamura duos and
the Filament and ISO releases.
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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:59:25 +0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Weather Sky/Erstwhile
>From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Weather Sky/Erstwhile
>
>also, my next festival, AMPLIFY 2002, will take place in Tokyo in
>mid-October
>of next year. this is going to be an incredible event, more details as we
>get
>closer.
Great! If you could make it slightly toward the end side of October (the
19th and after), I could spend my exam week in Tokyo and catch the whole
thing. I don't mean to have you schedule the event around me, however. :-)
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