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Zorn List Digest       Monday, December 3 2001       Volume 03 : Number 632



In this issue:
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       RE: squarepusher
       Re: squarepusher
       Re: Sample-spotting question/Masta Ace
       Re: squarepusher
       azul twist
       Re: Sample-spotting question/Masta Ace
       Re: squarepusher
       RE: squarepusher
       Re: squarepusher
       Anode
       a few discs to let--
       the deal has been done...
       RE: squarepusher
       Re: Weather Sky/Erstwhile

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:30:09 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: squarepusher

I think the first two albums, 'Feed Me Weird Things' and 'Hard Normal Daddy'
are both terrific drum'n'bass things, the latter leaning a bit more towards
a predilection for jazz fusion wankery but not in a bad way. The U.S.
version of the EP 'Big Loada' is also highly recommended, as I believe it
includes the contents of the earlier EPs 'Port Rhombus' and 'Vic Acid.'
Twisted, kinetic and full of event.

'Burningn 'N Tree' is a helpful collection of Jenkinson's earliest pre-LP
singles originally issued on Spymania. Many hardcore fans think this is his
strongest stuff, but I still favor the things mentioned above. In fact, if
it's still available, the 'Big Loada' super-EP is possibly the very best
place to start.

The later 'Music Is One Rotted Note' and 'Budakhan Mindphone' both go more
deeply into a stoned kind of live fusion, with less drum'n'bass and more
live instruments, meandering out of a late-Miles mindset. Not as immediately
catchy as the earlier stuff, but again, I like 'em.

Some of the earlier things might be hard to find at the moment, because the
Warp label has recently opened a US branch and is currently in the process
of laying out the back catalogue again. Judging from your e-mail address
(Ohio State?), I'm guessing that this applies. The 'Big Loada' disc that I
mentioned was one of the ones reissued by Trent Reznor's Nothing label, and
I don't know whether that same configuration will be kept for the Warp US
reissue. I noticed in the latest issue of Pulse that some of the early Warp
things (like Autechre's 'Chiastic Slide') are being reissued now and early
in the coming year. I'm sure Warp maintains a website that could tell you
more, and the last time I checked (a few years ago, admittedly),
Squarepusher had his own site, too.

Hope this helps. I've not yet heard 'Go Plastic' (though that's the newest
one with the single 'Big Red Car,' right?) so I don't know how it compares
to the earlier stuff.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:43 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: squarepusher


I recently bought Squarepusher's "Go Plastic" and was wondering if anybody
could make some recommendations of another album of his to buy.
Thanks,
kasra

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:27:27 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: squarepusher

The album that's really the most like Go Plastic is Selection Sixteen. There's
a lot of the same sort of "abstract" feel to it and sound/noise elements - in
fact, it's the album of his I first heard and loved and got me hooked on 'dance
music'; I never knew dance music could be so far-out there (and look at me now,
eh?). Another released at this time was the Maximum Priest EP which has a lot
of that sound as well.

The other earlier albums listed here are, as mentioned, a lot more... uh, well,
I was going to say "traditional", but they're more traditional "Squarepusher",
though I'm not even sure what that really means. Big Loada, Feed Me Weird
Things, Selection Sixteen all change places as my favorite Squarepusher of the
week... 2nd to Go Plastic. :) In essense, those two (and most the earlier
stuff) - oh and Budakhan Mindphone! - have more pervasive elements of drum n
bass: still wonderful, still really screwed up stuff and pure genius, but not
nearly as edgy as Sel16 and GP.

Also, there is a new untitled 12" EP that Warp announced that is currently "out
of stock"... I'm waiting with baited breath to get it, 2 minutes of a realaudio
clip gave me the impression it's very Go Plastic in nature.

Music is Rotted One Note is very much the antithesis to Go Plastic, it's the
last album of TJ's that I would recommend if you're looking for something akin
to this latest effort. In fact, there are tracks on that album which are
directly referenced on Go Plastic: "Don't Go Plastic" and "My Sound" are two
of them (the song on Go Plastic is called "My Fucking Sound"). A lot of people
really dig this album and like it as their favorite Squarepusher, but it's
probably the Squarepusher album I listen to the most because it's just too
square on the jazz side of things, if you know what I mean. If the jazz
elements on MRON were a bit more 'out' then I'd adore it. :)

This reminds me also of a similar outing by cevin key, who has a saxophone solo
on one of the tracks in his new album. It's a really hokey 'bluesy' jazz sax
solo, and it ruins the entire track for me.

Hope this helps.

mrd
http://craque.net

On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 09:42:52AM -0600, [e-mail] wrote:
> I recently bought Squarepusher's "Go Plastic" and was wondering if anybody
> could make some recommendations of another album of his to buy.
> Thanks,
> kasra
>
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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:39:04 -0600
From: "Ben Axelrad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sample-spotting question/Masta Ace

Hi,

Sorry to nitpick, but I think that was before the name change, so it should
be listed under Master Ace (Cold Chillin' records).  I read in the Onion's
review of his new album that he was just released from prison.  Does anyone
know the charges/length of sentence?  I was always under the impression, at
least from his more socially conscious material (e.g. the underrated
"Slaughtahouse" sp?), that he would stay away from trouble....

Thanks,
Ben


>From: "Bza" <[e-mail]>
>To: "John Zorn ML" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Sample-spotting question.
>Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:35:46 +0100
>
>It's from Masta Ace "The Other Part of the Town" :
>
>"I can't even reach what others have in their clutch
>I wish I could go on, but I have to end this
>And get back to livin a life that is winless
>There's no use swimmin, so I might as well drown in my sorrows
>Cause tomorrow's the other side of town"
>
>It's on the "Take a look around" album.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Taylor McLaren" <[e-mail]>
>To: "Zornithology" <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:44 AM
>Subject: Sample-spotting question.
>
>
> >
> > I feel unbelievably lame for asking this one, so I'll
> > keep it short. I was listening to Kevin Martin's
> > recent-ish comp. "Collision Course", last night, and
> > started sample-spotting in Bomb20's "Wing Chun". Does
> > anybody know where the (presumably sped-up) words "no
> > use swimming, so I might as well drown" came from?
> >
> > -moi
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
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>http://ca.geocities.com
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>
>
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:33:14 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: squarepusher

On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:27:27PM -0600, Matthew Ross Davis wrote:
> really dig this album and like it as their favorite Squarepusher, but it's
> probably the Squarepusher album I listen to the most because it's just too

This should say that I listen to the LEAST. Sorry about that!

m
http://craque.net


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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:32:46 +0100
From: Rob Allaert <[e-mail]>
Subject: azul twist

This album is definitely not bad at all. It has Jim Black rythming =
things=20
up.

Efr=E9n del Valle was now playing:

> n.p: Carlos Bica & Azul "Twist" (Enja)

    greetings,
      Rob @ risk
        np: ruckus - dave douglas


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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:56:50 +0100
From: "Bza" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sample-spotting question/Masta Ace

From: "Ben Axelrad" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Sample-spotting question/Masta Ace


> Sorry to nitpick, but I think that was before the name change, so it
should
> be listed under Master Ace (Cold Chillin' records).

Yeah you're maybe right. I think it's from the time he was in the Juice
Crew.


> I was always under the impression, at
> least from his more socially conscious material (e.g. the underrated
> "Slaughtahouse" sp?), that he would stay away from trouble....

i agree with you........could you imagine Chuck D or Krs One in jail ??????
:)
and yes Slaughtahouse is not only underrated, it's one of the best rap album
ever.




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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:05:33 -0500
From: "Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: squarepusher

> At 9:42 AM -0600 12/3/2001, [e-mail] wrote:
> >I recently bought Squarepusher's "Go Plastic" and was wondering if
anybody
> >could make some recommendations of another album of his to buy.
> >Thanks,

I'd pick up "Big Loada", and go from there. "Feed me weird things" and "hard
normal daddy" are about to be re-released in the US at normal, domestic
prices by Warp, but I'm actually not too big on either of those records.

My favorite SP phase is the "music is rotted one note" and "budakhan
mindphone" era; it has that really chaotic mix of dub/fusion...ultra-wet
reverbs, crazy live-basslines, drum-kit drenched in reverb, rhodes....just
great, but not really electronic at all. The "budakhan mindphone" EP mixes
his "normal" drum-n-bass production with the jazz and dubby sounds.

If you're a big Squarepusher fan, have you checked out mU-Ziq? He's my
favorite out of the Richard D. James/Squarepusher/Autechre, etc.
club.....bouncy synth-melodies, hyperactive percussion...basically, he's
just awesome. His first record, "Tango n' vectif" was just re-released in
the US, and is highly reccomended.

Just a personal note...with the exception of "my red hot car" and the last
track, I thought "go plastic" was pretty crappy...

andrew



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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:04:55 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: squarepusher

I'm personally a huge fan of Mu-Ziq's 'Lunatic Harness' CD and the follow-up
EP, 'Brace Yourself.' Haven't heard 'Tango n' vectif' and was kinda bored by
'In Pine Effect.'

Tangentally related, Plug's 'Drum'n'Bass for Papa' and Cujo's 'Adventures in
Foam' are two favorites of mine, the latter complete with Zorn, Shorter and
Cooder samples. I also liked the first Jega album on Planet Mu, 'Spectrum,'
but haven't heard anything by him since.

Wow, it's been kind of a long time since we've talked about this area of
music. Who's out there making new music worth hearing in this field? I keep
reading about a Bogdan something-or-other...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Andrew

If you're a big Squarepusher fan, have you checked out mU-Ziq? He's my
favorite out of the Richard D. James/Squarepusher/Autechre, etc.
club.....bouncy synth-melodies, hyperactive percussion...basically, he's
just awesome. His first record, "Tango n' vectif" was just re-released in
the US, and is highly reccomended.


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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:23:33 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: squarepusher

On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 06:04:55PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
> Wow, it's been kind of a long time since we've talked about this area of
> music. Who's out there making new music worth hearing in this field? I keep
> reading about a Bogdan something-or-other...

Raczynski - he's one of the many that contribute to the whole "Rephlex" sound,
which has come to be called "drill'n'bass" - very hyper, jagged, experimental
sounding drum'n'bass elements. He just released a new one called "My Love I
Love" which I haven't heard yet, but want to pick up.

If you're willing to try, this is the area of music I've been involved with for
some time now - experimenting with improvisation and experimental sound,
combining these into making music - http://craque.net has some studio tracks
and live performances to check out.

If you go to http://craque.net/lure.html you can see a good list of folks that
have influenced me which fall into this area of music, and that are doing music
worth hearing. Specifically Vladislav Delay and his projects are among my most
favorite right now - also the usual suspects of Kid606, Matmos, Scanner and of
course, Aphex Twin. I've been recently very interested in a lot of what Slicker
(John Hughes III, son of the director) has been doing - I especially like a lot
of the collaborative work being done on the Hefty label (where Raczynski also
has some music released). Also associated with Hefty is Richard Devine, who
somewhat falls into that drill'n'bass category as well, but has something of
his own sound.

Also among my favorites: jan jelinek (aka Farben) and the ubiquitous Kit
Clayton... his work with different areas of abstract sound and dance music
would suit I think a great deal of people on this list. Other folks on the
Sonig and Thrill Jockey labels (Mouse on Mars, Lithops, Microstoria, Oval) do a
great deal of experimental sounding in their work as well, but my favorite guy
from that group is most definitely Nobukazu Takemura, who - like Kit Clayton -
can span a wide range of styles and techniques in one sitting.

Enough names to get the discussion started? :)

m


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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:51:26 -0500
From: "richard ladew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Anode

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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:11:36 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: a few discs to let--

Yes it's spam, but it's GOOD spam!

The two new Threadgills:

$20 postpaid.

First response first served.

Best,
Rick Lopez

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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:37:16 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: the deal has been done...

Thanks to all who responded to the Threadgill offer..

[Damn, that was *easy*...]

rl
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[  All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k  ]

Sessionographies :
CRISPELL;  IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE.

Discographies :
COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN.

Also :
 --Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops;
LOVETORN; HARD BOIL;  ETC.,

WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? :
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:03:51 -0800 (PST)
From: David Trenkel <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: squarepusher

> I'm personally a huge fan of Mu-Ziq's 'Lunatic Harness' CD and the
> follow-up EP, 'Brace Yourself.' Haven't heard 'Tango n' vectif' and was
> kinda bored by 'In Pine Effect.'
>
> Tangentally related, Plug's 'Drum'n'Bass for Papa' and Cujo's
> 'Adventures in Foam' are two favorites of mine, the latter complete
> with Zorn, Shorter and Cooder samples. I also liked the first Jega
> album on Planet Mu, 'Spectrum,' but haven't heard anything by him
> since.
>
> Wow, it's been kind of a long time since we've talked about this area
> of music. Who's out there making new music worth hearing in this field?
> I keep reading about a Bogdan something-or-other...
>
>
I'm really liking the new Flanger disc, Outer Space/Inner Space. It's Burnt
Friedman and Atom Heart, collaborating with some European jazz guys, incl.
Joseph Suchy on guitar, and a group of Chilean percussionists. It sounds to
me like the Headhunters subjected to the glitch school of editing. Very
nice stuff that really blurs the distinction between live playing and
programming.


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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:59:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Weather Sky/Erstwhile

thanks to all for the kind words regarding the recent Erstwhile releases,
really nice to read. I'm hesitant to join in on the discussion of the
records, but I'd like to let people know that there will be some chances to
see some of this music live in the US over the next few months, which, as
with any genre, is pretty crucial for full appreciation.

below is detailed info on the NYC shows. I'll forward full US tour schedules
to the list as the tours begin, as I did with the Butcher tour recently. any
reports on the Butcher/Hemingway duo shows this past week?

12/11: John Butcher/Phil Durrant's electromanipulation duo, Experimental
Intermedia, 224 Centre St., 9 PM, $5. the NYC premiere of this project in a
great venue for them.

1/14: double CD release party featuring Greg Kelley, Jason Lescalleet,
Giuseppe Ielasi and Domenico Sciajno. three sets, duo, duo, and the world
premiere of the quartet. Tonic, starting at 8 PM, $10.

2/2: three sets again, Keith Rowe solo (performing excerpts from Cardew's
Treatise), Gunter Muller/Taku Sugimoto duo (Taku's first NYC appearance in
quite some time, 3 or 4 years), Rowe/Muller/Sugimoto trio (first performance
together anywhere in more than two years, since the night they recorded World
Turned Upside Down). this is also at Tonic starting at 8, not sure of the
price.

it'd be great to get good turnouts at these shows, and it would definitely
make it easier for me to book similar shows in NYC in the future. please pass
this info on to anyone you think might be interested. thanks!

also, my next festival, AMPLIFY 2002, will take place in Tokyo in mid-October
of next year. this is going to be an incredible event, more details as we get
closer.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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