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Zorn List Digest      Saturday, December 1 2001      Volume 03 : Number 630



In this issue:
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       RE: Paul Bley discography
       Re: zorn and deconstruction
       Re: you are #6
       David Gould / New COBRA Release
       dutch impro
       Re: dutch impro
       January Tzadiks
       jason lescalleet
       Re: jason lescalleet
       Newbie question
       Re: Newbie question
       Re: Newbie question
       RE: Newbie question
       Re: Newbie question
       bbc radio show + o'rourke/mueller question
       Re: o'rourke/mueller question
       re: zorn bbc taken + got dates on victo fest
       RE: Newbie question
       RE: bbc radio show + o'rourke/mueller question

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:24:37 -0600
From: "John Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Paul Bley discography

> From: Hywel Davies <[e-mail]>
> Subject: paul bley
>
> what happened to the Paul Bley discog. that was
> online? seems to have vanished...(i can't recall what
> the url was, but nothing shows up when i search).
> hywel
>

Not sure which URL you are referring to but the IAI
website www.improvart.com for Bley's discography is now
pointing to Henk Kluck's excellent discography
in book form, _Bley Play_. If you need an online fix :),
I did find a short one focusing on Bley's playing of
Annette Peacock pieces that is very nice:
www.geocities.com/zoom14st/pb/disc.html.

Boy do they ever need to reissue the album
_Mr. Joy_... :(

John

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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:47:53 +0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn and deconstruction

>From: "Marcel Cobussen" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: zorn and deconstruction

>Dear Zorn-list,
>
>The last 5 years I've spent much of my time on writing a Ph.D. thesis on =
>Deconstruction and Music. One of the sections of this thesis is on Zorn =
>(especially Great Jewish Music: Burt Bacharach). The thesis is not a =
>book but a website: www.deconstructioninmusic.com. If you go to =
>'interactive dissertation' and then to the Zorn section you can read and =
>hear what a possible connection between deconstruction and Zorn's music =
>could look/sound like.
>Hope you enjoy it!!


I do enjoy it, and I'm surprised (I mean I'm not surprised) that no one has
bothered to congratulate you yet on your site.  It's a nice effort to find
common ground between some music we appreciate and some of the most
important philosophy to emerge in the last forty years.  Good work, and I
look forward to digging into your text further.  I would hope though that
the project could one day see book form.  I see your photo with Zorn, so
that must mean that he endorsed your efforts as well.  So much for the some
of the crap that goes flying around this list about that.  And the venerable
old man Derrida looks even older than I realized.  He's been writing about
death a lot lately.  He's preparing himself.

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:05:27 +0100
From: Rob Allaert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: you are #6

do you like it ?

Skip Heller wrote:

> YOU ARE #6

    greetings,
      Rob @ risk
        np: Angel Song - Kenny Wheeler


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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:50:17 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: David Gould / New COBRA Release

Some time in October (!) "Neil H. Enet" wrote:

> >From the upcoming releases:
>
> "David Gould: Adonai in Dub
> A founding member of the popular rock group John BrownÆs Body, David Gould
> has been fascinated with the spiritual connections between Roots Reggae and
> Judaism for years. Adonai in Dub is his fascinating response. Traditional
> Hebrew prayers beautifully performed in GouldÆs inspiring ska arrangements,
> are deconstructed for the Tzadik Radical Jewish Series by dub master Jamie
> Saft into an entirely new universe of space dub noise. Extreme dub meets the
> Jewish tradition in this exciting meeting of three worlds. Shlomo Carlebach
> via Sun Ra and King Tubby.   Coming in November."
>
>         Fans of Jamie Saft's Sovlanut might find this very entertaining.
>
> Neil H. Enet

So - has anyone heard this release?
Any comments / reviews?
Would be very much appreciated!

Just checked the upcoming releases on Tzadik.com.
Yipee - we're getting another recording of a Cobra performance... ;-)

patRice

np: Republica, Republica
nr: Ali G, Da Gospel According To Ali G.


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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:50:23 +0100 (MET)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <[e-mail]>
Subject: dutch impro

hi

for those interested in the dutch free scene as expressed primarily by
the amsterdamers, on the 9th of December at the Felix Meritis in
Amsterdam, a festival takes place with participation of a large number
of groups and players, like Eric Boeren quartet, Tobias Delius quartet,
Available Jelly. From what I understood there will also be spontaneous
improvisation groupings. It is scheduled from 15:00 to 23:00. The felix
meritis site doent list it yet so I have no deeper information.
Sounds exciting though.

manolis



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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:16:21 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dutch impro

> hi
>
> for those interested in the dutch free scene as expressed primarily by
> the amsterdamers,
Oops, let's stop here for a moment.

Please visit:
Paradox theatre, Tilburg (great eclectic festival, all week beginning at
Christmas eve called: Stranger than Para...noia)
Worm, Rotterdam
Lantaren/ Venster, Rotterdam
Flora Theater, Delft
Sjuhuis, Utrecht (improv & world festival on dec 19)
Grand Theatre, Groningen (jazz & improv festival on dec 23)
Theaterwerkplaats, Apeldoorn
Muziekcentrum 's Hertogenbosch

Amsterdam is cool, though...

In good spirit,
Remco Takken, Zwolle, the Netherlands




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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:49:18 +0100
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: January Tzadiks

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Hi,

I'd encourage everyone to check the January tzadik releases. Most of =
them absolutely exciting: Bobby Previte, Roberto Rodr=EDguez, Susie =
Ibarra, Steve Beresford, John Zorn's Cobra, ... What else can you ask =
for? A good beginning for 2002, isn't it.

BTW, maybe someone knows why Roberto Rodr=EDguez' release appears under =
the Radical Jewish Series (any reasons beyond the music itself, I mean).

Best,

Efr=E9n del Valle

n.p: Mark Helias' "Open Loose" (Enja). Just amazing!!

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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:53:58 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: jason lescalleet

Hi,

I've been enjoying Jon's release of Greg Kelley and Jason Lescalleet a lot
lately, and it makes me wonder about some of these individual's other
releases.  I've got one of the nmperign records, which I remember not being
too excited about, but I'd like to hear more about their other projects,
especially Lescalleet.

TIA.
- --

Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:48:27 -0500
From: Mathieu Belanger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: jason lescalleet

Hello,

>I've been enjoying Jon's release of Greg Kelley and Jason Lescalleet a lot
>lately, and it makes me wonder about some of these individual's other
>releases.  I've got one of the nmperign records, which I remember not being
>too excited about, but I'd like to hear more about their other projects,
>especially Lescalleet.

I don't know much about Lescalleet either, but I can strongly suggest his
album with John Hudak on Intransitive Recordings. The title is _Figure 2_ and
it's really good.

You'll find the Intransitive website at: http://www.intransitiverecords.com

Hope it helps,

Mathieu


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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:45:29 -0500
From: the muff <[e-mail]>
Subject: Newbie question

hey all.  I recently discovered John Zorn's genius talent through Xu
Feng, which was quite a challenging work to digest.  I moved on to
Masada and Naked City, and found Xu Feng to be quite enjoyable.
My question is, what's the verdict on Xu Feng?  How do people listen to
it and analyse it?  I've had no trouble playing and enjoying any of the
Masada cds, yet I cannot go through more than half of the Xu Feng album
without being distracted.
Do hard-core ZOrn fans think it's one of his best??

thanks,
    the muff


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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 03:53:44 -0500
From: "Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Newbie question

It depends what you mean by "distracted", really....it's definitely more
challenging to listen to than, say, "The Gift"...but I really love "Xu
Feng." Before getting into Zorn, i've always been into bands like Don
Caballero, and other post-rock type bands...I think "xu feng" is truly
"post-rock."

andrew



> hey all.  I recently discovered John Zorn's genius talent through Xu
> Feng, which was quite a challenging work to digest.  I moved on to
> Masada and Naked City, and found Xu Feng to be quite enjoyable.
> My question is, what's the verdict on Xu Feng?  How do people listen to
> it and analyse it?  I've had no trouble playing and enjoying any of the
> Masada cds, yet I cannot go through more than half of the Xu Feng album
> without being distracted.
> Do hard-core ZOrn fans think it's one of his best??



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Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:50:22 -0800
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Newbie question

> hey all.  I recently discovered John Zorn's genius talent through Xu
> Feng, which was quite a challenging work to digest.  I moved on to
> Masada and Naked City, and found Xu Feng to be quite enjoyable.
> My question is, what's the verdict on Xu Feng?  How do people listen to
> it and analyse it?  I've had no trouble playing and enjoying any of the
> Masada cds, yet I cannot go through more than half of the Xu Feng album
> without being distracted.
> Do hard-core ZOrn fans think it's one of his best??
>
> thanks,
> the muff
>
Personally, I don't.  I haven't been able to get through it in one sitting.
But my tastes don't really represent anyone else's on this list.
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com
np: bill frisell -- this land


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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:07:03 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Newbie question

>Personally, I don't.  I haven't been able to get >through it in one
sitting.
>But my tastes don't really represent anyone >else's on this list.
skip heller
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Same here, I've read that it's a lot of people's favourite, but I can't
listen to the complete CD.  Maybe I'll listen to it in my car, some albums
make more sense in the car than in the house.  Somebody said that Zorn's
game pieces made more sense while walking, well, I'll give it a try in the
car, let's see.

Neil H. Enet
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NP. HENRY MANCINI - Greatest Hits


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Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:31:55 -0800
From: " A.VanValin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Newbie question

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "the muff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Newbie question


> ...Xu Feng, which was quite a challenging ...How do people listen to
> it and analyse it?

There was a recent thread on the "game pieces" that touched on this
question. Of the offered opinions, the ones that rang most "true" to me
mentioned that

1) these pieces are best enjoyed live so that you can get a sense of the
interaction between the musicians and the conductor

2) part of the experience of seeing these shows live is that everyone has
fun, and the musicians' enthusiasm is infectious

So go see Cobra if you can. Its a blast.

I took my Dad to a Cobra show and he said it reminded him of seeing Mingus
live. Does that sound like a sane analysis to any of you?

- -Van


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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:01:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: bbc radio show + o'rourke/mueller question

greetings everyone,

1. Someone sent me a copy of the bbc radio show on zorn from a while back.
i'm done listening to it (it was more interesting than i expected), so i
figure i'd pass it along (it's 2 cds).

if anyone* wants it, send me your mailing address and i'll drop it in the
post. (* i have to limit the offer to addresses in north america, because
postage gets too high to send it elsewhere; sorry.  also, apologies to
digest readers, who will probably get this message too late...).

2. does anyone remember the exact day on which jim o'rourke and gunter
muller played as a duo at the 1999 victoriville music festival?  (also,
how about klaxon gueule?).  all i can find on the web is an indication of
the general dates of the festival (and even there, I get contradictions:
one source specifies may 20-24th, another the 16th-20th).

3. thumbs up to both the greg kelly/jason lescalleet ('forlorn green') and
the stilluppsteypa/tv pow ('we are everyone in the room') releases on
jon's erstwhile label (www.erstwhilerecords.com).  i'm having slightly
more trouble getting into the cor fuhler/gert-jan prins ('the flirts'),
but it's been growing on me. finally, the poire_z selftitled release on
for4ears sounds great to my ears.  if i have time, i'll try to say
something more substantial...

cheers,
whit
np - farmers market



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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:27:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: o'rourke/mueller question

In a message dated 12/1/01 8:05:25 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< does anyone remember the exact day on which jim o'rourke and gunter
muller played as a duo at the 1999 victoriville music festival?  (also,
how about klaxon gueule?).  all i can find on the web is an indication of
the general dates of the festival (and even there, I get contradictions:
one source specifies may 20-24th, another the 16th-20th). >>

M=FCller/O'Rourke was on the 23rd, and Klaxon Guele was on the 21st. I recal=
l=20
being disappointed by the M=FCller/O'Rourke set, but seeing that, then L=EA=20=
Quan=20
Ninh the following day, was where the idea for La Voyelle Liquide came from.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:41:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: zorn bbc taken + got dates on victo fest

hello everyone
the bbc radio show is taken.
also, i've learned (learnt?) the correct dates of the victo performances i
mentioned in the last email.
thanks, whit


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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:00:18 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Newbie question

Yes, absolutely, very much so. Your dad's right on the money - that's a
great analogy of the listener's experience with Cobra (if not necessarily
the composer's), according to everything I've read and heard about the
Mingus Workshops.

Me, I was most recently reminded of Mingus's "workshop" style of arranging
on the fly and in the moment when I saw Zorn's Masada (minus Joey, plus
Kenny) last Thursday night, sharing a bill with the Absolute Ensemble
playing Zorn's orchestral music at the Miller Theatre in NYC. Zorn was
gesturing the players in and out of the music with hand signals and audible
comments in real time in the same way Mingus did, and in the same way that
Steven Bernstein still does night after night with Sex Mob.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - J.S. Bach, Partita No. 3, Hilary Hahn (Sony Classical)

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of A.VanValin

I took my Dad to a Cobra show and he said it reminded him of seeing Mingus
live. Does that sound like a sane analysis to any of you?


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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:19:47 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: bbc radio show + o'rourke/mueller question

Agreed completely in re: the Kelly/Lescalleet and Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow -
wunnerful, wunnerful. The Fuhler/Prins and Ielasi/Sciajno are tougher, but
very much worth the effort. I also really dug the Dorner/Drumm.

The Kelly/Lescalleet is my fave of the recent releases, and I don't doubt
that it's most likely due to the fact that, as a human and a musician
(albeit non-practicing), I can relate to Kelly's need to breathe - and thus
can interpolate myself into his music no matter how far flung it may be.
Greg has impeccable musical instincts, which I'll happily follow pretty much
anywhere they may lead at this point.

Much to my surprise, the biggest challenge of my latest Erstwhile
acquisition is the Rowe/Nakamura... much as I try, I'm still not FEELING the
sinewave thing just yet - I noticed that I was trying to listen *through*
the sinewaves to discern the elements that were purely Rowe...

That said, I'm continually grateful that Jon's out there documenting this
music (not to mention kindly pointing me towards other fine things like
'Printer') and I shall continue to listen, learn and challenge myself.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - J.S. Bach, Partita No. 2, Hilary Hahn (Sony Classical)

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Whit Schonbein

3. thumbs up to both the greg kelly/jason lescalleet ('forlorn green') and
the stilluppsteypa/tv pow ('we are everyone in the room') releases on
jon's erstwhile label (www.erstwhilerecords.com).  i'm having slightly
more trouble getting into the cor fuhler/gert-jan prins ('the flirts'),
but it's been growing on me.


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