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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #598
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, October 21 2001 Volume 03 : Number 598
In this issue:
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erik sanko | "past imperfect, present tense"
Fields / Golia / Makihara
Re: Burnt Sugar
Re: laswell does santana?
Re: New Horvitz
Re: New Horvitz
Gjerstad/Br÷tzmann
some questions....
Re: Rahsaan Roland Kirk
Re: some questions....
Question--
RE: some questions....
Re: Question--
Re: Question--
Re: Question--
Re: Question--
RE: Question--
Re: 3" cd
Re: 3" cd
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:42:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com>
Subject: erik sanko | "past imperfect, present tense"
anyone hear any of this album and would like to give a brief descript.
or review?
"Past Imperfect, Present Tense"
Erik Sanko is the leading light in the much admired Skeleton Key and
was an original member of John Lurie's Lounge Lizards. He also helps
out such luminaries as Yoko Ono and John Cale from time to time. But
"Past Imperfect, Present Tense" is 100%, undiluted Sanko. He wrote,
sang and played everything on the album. Sounding like the journals of
an alchemist set to the music of your grandmother's broken pump organ,
Sanko fashions oddly compelling songs from mangled melody and ragged
scraps of rhyme.
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:48:21 -0400
From: Karen Murphy <murphyjones@earthlink.net>
Subject: Fields / Golia / Makihara
FIELDS - GOLIA - MAKIHARA
featuring
* Scott Fields (guitar)
* Vinny Golia (woodwinds)
* Toshi Makihara (percussion)
East Coast - South tour
New compositions, collaborations and free improvisations by an
ensemble featuring guitarist Scott Fields of Madison, Wisconsin,
Los Angeles's new jazz veteran Vinny Golia on woodwinds and
Philadelphia based Japanese percussionist Toshi Makihara.
Member bios are available at
* Scott Fields:
http://www.scottfields.com
* Vinny Golia:
http://members.aol.com/ninewinds/BIOS/golia.html
* Toshi Makihara
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tosmos
<SCHEDULE>
* 10/22 MON:
Tritone 1508 South St Philadelphia
* 10/23 TUE:
Tremont Theater, 276 Tremont Street Boston (617) 542-4599
* 10/24 WED:
Brattleboro VT: Hooker-Dunham Theater,
139 Main Street, Brattleboro, Vermont (802) 254-9276
* 10/25 THU:
New Paltz NY: SUNY New Paltz
* 10/26 FRI:
Roulette, New York City
* 10/27 SAT: Off: (studio recording)
* 10/28 SUN:
MOCA-DC,
1054 31st Street (Gallery Courtyard) Washington DC (202) 342-6230
* 10/29 MON:
Arts Watch, Louisville KY
* 10/30 TUE:
Gallery 101, Bloomington IN
* 11/1 THU:
Ruby Green Gallery, 514 Fifth Ave South, Nashville TN
* 11/2 FRI:
The Skylight Exchange, Chapel Hill NC
* 11/3 SAT:
Flicker Theater, Athens GA
* 11/4 SUN:
Earthshaking Music, 543 Stokeswood Ave, Atlanta GA
* 11/5 MON:
The Lobby, St Petersburg FL
* 11/7 WED:
Baltimore MD: Red Room, 425 E. 31st Street, Baltimore
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:50:09 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: Burnt Sugar
Their CD, Blood on the Leaf, came out last year on their own label, TRUGROID.
othermusic.com is probably the easiest way to find this for anyone outside of NYC.
They actually played last night at CBGB's- amazing show.
Best,
Jason
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:54:54 -0600
From: "M Pathos" <mpathos@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: laswell does santana?
Wire magazine reviewed it a couple of months ago, making direct comparisons
to Laswell's Miles-mangling. The reviewer liked it.
yes, a disturbing image. but nonetheless, i think this disc ("divine
light") came out months ago in the u.s., since i saw it at rhino records
in los angeles in early september. but i have yet to hear anything about
it (or see it in the laswell or santana bins at local record stores - but
they (i.e., "st. louis' #1 record store", which has the gall to use an
image of roland kirk as their 'logo') file the vandermark 5 under 'rock'
(and the ruins under classical), so i don't really expect to see it). so
the questions arise: 1. was it really released, or was my sighting some
sort of los angeles cutout fluke? and if it was released, 2. what's it
like?
i'm asking as more of a lotus-era santana fan than a laswell fan,
although i appreciate laswell's production on the miles davis project...
yuggis,
whit
np - anouar brahem w/ surman & holland
nr - John Locke, Essay concerning human understanding
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:16:21 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: New Horvitz
> Debussy. The 2nd movement, "Love, Love, Love" sounds very familiar, I
> need to search my CD's to see where else he has recorded it.
It is on "American Bandstand" as well as the Tzadik double cd tribute to Tom
Cora.
- -
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:47:07 -0700
From: Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org>
Subject: Re: New Horvitz
At 3:16 PM +1000 10/19/2001, Julian wrote:
> > Debussy. The 2nd movement, "Love, Love, Love" sounds very familiar, I
>> need to search my CD's to see where else he has recorded it.
>
>It is on "American Bandstand" as well as the Tzadik double cd tribute to Tom
>Cora.
I should've known that, "Bandstand" is a wonderful disc.
- --
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org
Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit
"This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power"
-Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer
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- -
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:44:58 +0200
From: "Marius Ergo" <mariusergo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Gjerstad/Br÷tzmann
I recently attended a concert with Peter Br÷tzmann playing with the Frode
Gjerstad trio at the Blσ club in Oslo. That was a really enjoyable gig, and
I was amazed with the interplay between everyone in the band, but mostly
that of Gjerstad and Br÷tzmann. They had some truly lovely bass clarinet duo
passages during the concert, that totally blew me away. Do the two of them
have a history of playing together other than what they do on their duo
recording, "Invisible Touch"?
cheers
Marius
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:49:14
From: "annemarie jansen" <jansenanne@hotmail.com>
Subject: some questions....
Hi!
While doing some research on Zorn, I found some things in articles I
didn’t understand the meaning of, so I hope somebody will fill me in!
1) Zorn is said to be inspired by Derek Bailey’s Incus-releases, hhmm,
what exactly are those releases?
2) What means sleaze jazz? And doo-wop?
3) Zorn wrote game pieces like Pool, Archery and Cobra. Are Pool and Archery
ever played, as I only hear of Cobra.
4) What exactly is special about Butch Morris’ Conduction technique?
Hope somebody can help me with this! Thanks very much in advance!
Bye, Anne
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:54:17 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Rahsaan Roland Kirk
> How did Rahsaan Roland Kirk play after he had the stroke and half his body
> was paralyzed? I know one handed, but did he only play half the keys on sax
> or did his "modifications" allow him to play all notes possible?
>
> Thanks,
> Zach
>
> -
>
I know he had his flute modified for one-handed use after the stroke.
skip h
- -
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:06:40 +0200
From: "Marius Ergo" <mariusergo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: some questions....
some answers...
1)Derek Bailey's releases on his record company incus, I would presume.
http://www.incusrecords.f9.co.uk/ be sure to check out derek's audio
presentation - really funny
2)sleaze jazz - isn't that one quite self explanatory? Sleazy, erotic,
steamin jazz. oooooooooh yeah. doo-wop - pop music styles of the fifties and
sixties, often with vocal lines going, you guessed it: DOO-WOP.
3)You can hear Pool and Archery on recordings on Tzadik, but they aren't
played live anymore I think. Someone else prolly has a better answer to this
one.
4)Dunno. Anyone?
At least I tried!
- - Marius
>From: "annemarie jansen" <jansenanne@hotmail.com>
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: some questions....
>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:49:14
>
>Hi!
>
>While doing some research on Zorn, I found some things in articles I
>didnÆt understand the meaning of, so I hope somebody will fill me in!
>
>1) Zorn is said to be inspired by Derek BaileyÆs Incus-releases, hhmm,
>what exactly are those releases?
>
>2) What means sleaze jazz? And doo-wop?
>
>3) Zorn wrote game pieces like Pool, Archery and Cobra. Are Pool and
>Archery
>ever played, as I only hear of Cobra.
>
>4) What exactly is special about Butch MorrisÆ Conduction technique?
>
>Hope somebody can help me with this! Thanks very much in advance!
>
>Bye, Anne
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>
>
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>
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:05:48 -0400
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Question--
Looking for descriptions/comparisons of:
Godspeed You Black Emperor!
Acid Mothers Temple
Thanks,
RL
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:42:13 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: RE: some questions....
Hi Anne Marie,
You'll find my humble responses to a couple of your questions below. Hope it
helps.
> Hi!
>
> While doing some research on Zorn, I found some things in articles I
> didn’t understand the meaning of, so I hope somebody will fill me
in!
>
> 1) Zorn is said to be inspired by Derek Bailey’s Incus-releases,
hhmm,
> what exactly are those releases?
I haven't doublechecked the info so I might be wrong.
Incus is a British company that Bailey, Evan Parker and Tony Oxley (If I'm
not wrong) started during the 70's as a home-base for European free
improvisers. Some musicians that have published their works through INcus:
Derek Bailey (prominently), Tony Oxley, Susie Ibarra, Cyro Baptista, Steve
Lacy, Evan Parker, Barre Phillips, Henry Kaiser, Han Bennink, Steve
Beresford, Anthony Braxton, Lol Coxhill, etc... AS you see, the list is
endless and remarkable.
Incus' releases are about free improvisation, with absolutely no pre-set
musical strategies or forms. It's mainly about freely wandering and finding
an interesting interplay between the musicians, as far as I see it. Some
records really achieve their goal. As it is obvious, some others don't.
I don't see a special Zorn musical inspiration in INcus, other than the
"do-it-yourself" industry approach. However, his game pieces are structured
compositions for improvisers, but I think their nature is conceptually far
from Bailey & co.'s premises.
>
> 3) Zorn wrote game pieces like Pool, Archery and Cobra. Are Pool and
Archery
> ever played, as I only hear of Cobra.
There are performances of Zorn's game pieces throughout the world. The most
popular is undoubtedly Cobra but I guess the others you mention are also
performed, though maybe not so regularly. Zorn makes sort of a distinction
between "authorized" and "non-authorized" versions of his Game Pieces in the
"Xu-Feng" liner notes. The latter can be very helpful for your work.
Best,
EfrΘn del Valle
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n.r: Albert Camus "Complete Works Vol. 5"
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:38:09 -0400
From: "andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Question--
> Godspeed You Black Emperor!
"Post Rock" in the vein of bands like Mogwai, Slint, etc., but more
interesting and varied. The basic
lineup...guitars/bass/drums/percussion/glockenspiel/cello/other
strings/woodwinds/occasional brass. The songs are instrumental, and
generally long (20 mins or so for each "movement"), and very "epic" in the
sense that they build over time, before reaching HUGE, dramatic peaks. The
songs are ultra-dark, even menacing at times....interspersed with the
instrumentation are occasional "found sound" recordings of city streets,
homeless ranters, street preachers, etc. Oh yeah- the band absolutely kicks
ass. :)
> Acid Mothers Temple
Ultra-weird, ultra-psychedelic japanese rock taht occasionally gets noisy.
They have really cool psych-folky interludes, before launching into another
20+ minute psych freakout. I would have seen them at CMJ this year, just 4
days after Sept.11th...
andrew
- -
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:59:33 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Question--
>From: "andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
> > Godspeed You Black Emperor!
>
The songs are instrumental, and generally long (20 mins or so for each
"movement"), and very "epic" in the
>sense that they build over time, before reaching HUGE, dramatic peaks. The
>songs are ultra-dark, even menacing at times....interspersed with the
>instrumentation are occasional "found sound" recordings of city streets,
>homeless ranters, street preachers, etc.
Interesting recordings, unfortunately in the live context they eschew the
"found sound" and the limitations of their instrumental abilities quickly
become apparent...
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:02:42 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Question--
In a message dated 10/20/01 8:14:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bb10k@velocity.net writes:
<< Looking for descriptions/comparisons of:
Godspeed You Black Emperor! >>
Can't think of too many big-bands doing the "post-rock" thing with the
possible exception of Germany's Orchester 33 1/3. GYBE is a pretty unique
outfit, IMO.
<< Acid Mothers Temple >>
Early Amon Duul at their most lysergic moments, maybe? Truly crazed stuff.
- --
np: La Societe des Timides a la Parade des Oiseaux- La Stipo (recently
re-issue CD of an EP + LP, recorded in 1986/1990 respectively, from a crazed
French outfit that IMO, "out-fous" Etron Fou Leloublan! Outstanding!! IIRC,
Wayside Music is carrying this title...)
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:42:25 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Question--
On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 04:59:33PM +0000, thomas chatterton wrote:
> >From: "andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
>
> > > Godspeed You Black Emperor!
> >
> Interesting recordings, unfortunately in the live context they eschew the
> "found sound" and the limitations of their instrumental abilities quickly
> become apparent...
Hmm, that sounds interesting -- while I like the instrumental music, I
tire easily of the "found sound", especially the monologues, and thus
find myself rarely listening to any of their stuff more than once.
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:57:11 -0400
From: ahorton <ahorton@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Question--
>> Interesting recordings, unfortunately in the live context they eschew the
>> "found sound" and the limitations of their instrumental abilities quickly
>> become apparent...
>
>Hmm, that sounds interesting -- while I like the instrumental music, I
>tire easily of the "found sound", especially the monologues, and thus
>find myself rarely listening to any of their stuff more than once.
No doubt. GYBE can be uninteresting as hell...i only find myself pulling out
their records every once in a while, and then only when i need "backgroud"
music for reading or studying. Incidentally enough, they go well with
Tolkien, Jung, and Baudrillard. :)
There's a recent release of a band called "set fire to flames" that's
essentially a GYBE side project. The basic gist is that they set up in an
old, haunted house and recorded jamming and noise-making for a few
days, then edited everything down to one 70 minute CD. It's really, really
bad.
However, Kranky labelmates Stars of the Lid recently put out a pretty nice
album called "the tired sounds of..." , which is good. It's ultra-ambient, but
still has that Kranky/GYBE/Labradford vibe.
I'm not the biggest fan of that stuff anyway.
andrew
- -
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Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:45:00 -0700
From: Alexander Bailey <xander@radiokhartoum.com>
Subject: Re: 3" cd
> >Can 3 inch cds be played on regular cd players? Are any attachments, etc.
> >needed?
Early CD decks and the aforementioned "slide feeding" machines (e.g.,
car players) are the only things which won't play 3"ers without an
adapter. Adaptors are scare outside of Asia (where the 3" is the
mainstream replacement for the 7" single format, btw), but places
like Kinokuniya (a Japanese bookstore chain in the US) will usually
have them for about $3. The fact that most of our CD players were
built in Asia should explain why most of us have machines capable of
playing 3"s, if if many of us have never seen a 3" CD. For my own
part, I've seen plenty of 3"ers...Radio Khartoum has released 8
single 3" CDs and 1 double...
Alexander
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Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:10:13 -0400
From: "andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 3" cd
Yeah, the 3" format has been around (presumably) as long as the "regular" CD
(what's the measurement of a regular cd....5 inches? 6? 7?)
Back in '93, I remember a friend of mine who had just moved here from japan
had a bunch of 3" CD's....of these japanese pop bands (i remember one was
called "Chubu End" or something like that).
andrew
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