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Zorn List Digest         Sunday, May 20 2001         Volume 03 : Number 438



In this issue:
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       Oren Ambarchi tour
       Composer Query (no Z con)
       When Harry Met L.A.
       Harry Was God In The Flesh
       Re: Harry Was God In The Flesh
       Re: Composer Query (no Z con)
       Films of Harry
       Re: When Harry Met L.A.
       Re: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism
       inside the piano
       destroying pianos
       Re: destroying pianos
       Re: Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)
       Re: ejaculating candleabras
       Re: Hobsbawm (was Vaclav Havel)
       Re: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism
       Misha Mengelberg
       Cobra Releases
       Re: Cobra Releases
       Re: ejaculating candleabras
       RE: destroying pianos

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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 01:52:37 +1000
From: "Josephine Yeatman or Jim Glaspole" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Oren Ambarchi tour

Oren Ambarchi sent me this email the other day:
He is usually worth seeing.
Jim Glaspole

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "oren ambarchi" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:39 AM
Subject: tour


hello people

i'm about to leave for a Euro (& U.S.) tour

if you're in the area, stop by & say hello
otherwise see you back in Oz in 2.5 months

love,
oren

tour schedule:
http://www.touch.demon.co.uk/Biographies/orenambarchi.html
- -------------------------------------------------------
MAY 20 Global CafΘ, London (DJ set)
MAY 21 Queen Elizabeth Hall, London
MAY 23 Tramway, Glasgow
MAY 24 Sprawl, Global CafΘ, London
MAY 26 Music Action, Nancy France (w/Keith Rowe, Rob
Avenaim)
MAY 29 Instants Chavires, Paris, France (w/Keith Rowe,
Rob Avenaim)
JUNE 1 Pannonica, Nantes France (w/Keith Rowe, Rob
Avenaim)
JUNE 2 American Inst, Rennes, France (w/Keith Rowe,
Rob Avenaim)
JUNE 3 w/Phill Niblock, The Gallery, Ze Dos Bois,
Lisbon, Portugal
JUNE 5 The Gallery, Ze Dos Bois, Lisbon, Portugal
JUNE 9 OT.3:01, Mixer Cinema Concert Series, Amsterdam
JUNE 10 OT.3:01 Amsterdam w/Cor Fuhler
JUNE 12 Cologne, Germany - SSK-Bar
JUNE 13 Muenster, Germany - Cuba
JUNE 14 Nijmegen (NL) - Extrapol
JUNE 16 Dresden - AZ Conni Festival
JUNE 17 Kassel (unconfirmed)
JUNE 20 Rhiz, Vienna, Austria
JUNE 24 Den Anden Opera, Copenhagen, Denmark w/Martin
Klapper
JUNE 28 Tonic, New York, USA


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:13:23 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Composer Query (no Z con)

Anyone on the list familiar with the English composer Brian Ferneyhough?
Apparently he is considered to be a 'maximalist', as opposed to a
'minimalist'. I'm intrigued, but it would appear that his work is not
readily available here...

np: Schoenberg - Concerto For Piano & Orch -Brendel Kubelik BRSO
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:24:21 -0700
From: "s/Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: When Harry Met L.A.

http://www.corporeal.com/temp/ucla_cent.html


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:48:36 -0700
From: "s/Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Harry Was God In The Flesh

Excellent article by Josef Woodard on Partch

www.calendarlive.com/top/1,1419,L-LATimes-Calendar-X!ArticleDetail-33721,00.html


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:50:52 -0700
From: "s/Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Was God In The Flesh

Clicking the URL below probably won't work to get you to the article, but if you click it and it takes you to a generic Calendar
page, just do a search for Partch and you'll be taken to a url for the article.



Excellent article by Josef Woodard on Partch

www.calendarlive.com/top/1,1419,L-LATimes-Calendar-X!ArticleDetail-33721,00.html



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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:58:43 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Composer Query (no Z con)

In a message dated 5/20/01 12:14:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Anyone on the list familiar with the English composer Brian Ferneyhough?
 Apparently he is considered to be a 'maximalist', as opposed to a
 'minimalist'. I'm intrigued, but it would appear that his work is not
 readily available here...
  >>

Most definitely.  Ultra-complicated 'modern-classical music.'  Mondo-tuplets
out the wazoo, really refined textures that change quickly, extremely thought
out but fairly organic, I feel.  Kind of like someone composing electronic
music for real-time instruments, depdending on your perspective.  Only four
CDs exclusively devoted to his music even exist, AFAIK.  There's two on
Auvidis/Montaigne devoted to string quartets and chamber music - they may or
may not be out of print.  Depending on where you live, they could still be in
the classical department, probably because they remained un-purchased for a
while...

Also, there's 2 disc on Etcetera records, one of solo pieces and one of
chamber music.  And that's it.  I'm dying to hear more, but I'll be damned if
I can find anything else.  I really enjoy his music, but it is quite
challenging, hough probably no more than Lachenmann, Xenakis, or other modern
heavies.

- -matt

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:03:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: konrad <[e-mail]>
Subject: Films of Harry

If anyone has the opportunity to see four films that were made by Madeline
Tourtelot (one of his students?) they are very well worth it, particularly
US Highball and Windsong.  Tourtelot seems very infuenced by Maya Deren
(for those Frameworkers on this list).

Here's a link:

http://www.composersforum.org/noframe/innova/400.html

In SF you can rent this at Lost Weekend Video on Valencia st.


konrad

^Z


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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:08:32 -0700
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: When Harry Met L.A.

> http://www.corporeal.com/temp/ucla_cent.html
>
>
> -
>
and in Los Angeles, no less.  Saints be praised!

skip h


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:14:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: konrad <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism

On Sun, 20 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Efr=E9n del Valle wrote:

>
> Naive? According to what I said you're precisely the opposite. As a start=
er
> for Zorn "classical/serious/contemporary-oriented" or whatever you want t=
o
> call them, I'd recommend something else due to the fact that it's easier =
for
> me to get into this kind of music with large ensembles. That's why I said
> that maybe starting with a solo, duo and trio performance could be more
> difficult.

Wow -- thank you very much for the tips:  several of those you mentioned
were in my hands before i tallied up the price and put them back.  I
actually find the reverse true for myself in terms of starting out, so i
tend to pick solo/ chamber work and move to larger ensembles. (Yes i was
around for the 'balls-out' definition, which i think someday the OED will
have an entry for that references a zornlist post.)

Here's a specific question:  i saw Lacrosse and Archery, and picked Cobra
because it seemed more 'reknowned.'  How do these two compare to each
other (the Tokyo ensemble seems to put that performance into a class by
itself and also sounds great to my ears which are quite familiar with many
forms of Japanese "classical" music).

Thanks again,  Efr=E9n


konrad

^Z


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:32:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: inside the piano

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Paul Bley and Gary Burton have a duo record on the GNP label-- funny how I
forget the title but recall the label-- that's beautiful. their 'Ida Lupino'
is one of the best I've ever heard from Paul. nothing groundbreaking, but
real nice.

Cheers,
Dave


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Paul Bley and Gary Burton have a duo record on the GNP label-- funny how I
<BR>forget the title but recall the label-- that's beautiful. their 'Ida Lupino'
<BR>is one of the best I've ever heard from Paul. nothing groundbreaking, but
<BR>real nice.
<BR>
<BR>Cheers,
<BR>Dave
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 10:39:28 -0700
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: destroying pianos

skip wrote:
<Let us not forget talking inside a piano -- a technique employed on
Zappa's
LUMPY GRAVY, or -- my personal favorite --throwing the top off, jumping
into
the piano, stomping all over the strings, squirting lighter fluid in there,
and igniting it.>

which reminds me of that marx brothers movie where they are stowaways
(groucho: do you have any stewed prunes? yes? well some coffee ought to
sober them up.) chico does his thing, then harpo takes over at the
keyboard. it's some grand classical piece, moonlight sonata perhaps, and
he keeps getting tangled up and starting over, with increasing
frustration, until he begins beating on the piano, pounding with his fists
then jumping up and down on top of it and literally tearing it until
nothing is left but the harp inside. whichk, of course, he then plays with
delicate and moving beauty.

martin

np. nana vasconcelos -- saudades


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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:54:54 -0700
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: destroying pianos

> skip wrote:
> <Let us not forget talking inside a piano -- a technique employed on
> Zappa's
> LUMPY GRAVY, or -- my personal favorite --throwing the top off, jumping
> into
> the piano, stomping all over the strings, squirting lighter fluid in there,
> and igniting it.>
>
> which reminds me of that marx brothers movie where they are stowaways
> (groucho: do you have any stewed prunes? yes? well some coffee ought to
> sober them up.) chico does his thing, then harpo takes over at the
> keyboard. it's some grand classical piece, moonlight sonata perhaps, and
> he keeps getting tangled up and starting over, with increasing
> frustration, until he begins beating on the piano, pounding with his fists
> then jumping up and down on top of it and literally tearing it until
> nothing is left but the harp inside. whichk, of course, he then plays with
> delicate and moving beauty.
>
> martin
>
> np. nana vasconcelos -- saudades
>
>
> -
>
as I base my life on Groucho's teachings, I am aware of this and all things
Marx.  Also, Ernie Kovacs a had a good piano destruction bit (in the course
of the opera sketch), and there was a really good Fellini-esque scene in
which a piano was flung (via catapult) on the TV show NORTHERN EXPOSURE.

Now that we've gone this far with our inventory of piano-destruction, either
we should admit we have a problem/compulsion, or we should just move on and
never speak of it again (before our girlfriends/wives catch on to all this
garbaggio we're typing).

skip h

np: charlie parker -- best of the dial years


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:15:03 +0100
From: "Iain Kitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)

The musician in question was none other than Frank Zappa. he had been
something of an icon for the Chekoslovak opposition (and other similar
movements in Eastern Europe) for some time. Both for his music but also his
libertarian - and sometimes anti-communist - views. I'm not sure how useful
Havel found his advice as I seem to recall he didn't last long as an
adviser.

Hobsbawm's is a great book. Did you know he was also a jazz critic. Wrote
under a pseudonym which I can't recall.

Iain Kitt

[e-mail]

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:33 AM
Subject: Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)


> At 06:35 PM 5/19/01 -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
> >
> >NR: Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Extremes (History of the world, 1914-1991)
>
> No sooner do I send out this email than I need some assistance from some
of
> our European list members.  Hobsbawm is writing about the end of socialism
> in Russia in 1989 and mentions Vaclav Havel in passing.  Specifically, he
> says that Havel was 'surrounded by an eccentric body of advisers ranging
> from a scandal-loving American rock musician to a member of the Habsburg
> high aristocracy.'  Who was this scandal-loving rock musician to whom
Havel
> turned for advice?  Details appreciated.
>
> Maybe since we don't hear from him much anymore, the advice in question
was
> given by JZ at the Knit, but that seems farfetched ;-)
>
> NP: AMM, Live in Allentown
>
> --
> Caleb Deupree
> [e-mail]
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:41:32 -0700
From: "s/Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ejaculating candleabras

>>>which reminds me of that marx brothers movie<<<

Which reminds me of the Spike Jones sequence in which a small man is playing a fetus grand piano [What's smaller than a baby grand
and larger than a toy grand?] and singing "I'm In The Mood For Love" eventually joined by his very tall 'brother' playing a
one-stringed instrument until this white liquid starts spurting from the piano's candleabra and the two musicians begin wrestling
each other and falling all over each other falling on the fetus grand covered in white goo.


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:50:17 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hobsbawm (was Vaclav Havel)

At 07:15 PM 5/20/01 +0100, Iain Kitt wrote:
>
>Hobsbawm's is a great book. Did you know he was also a jazz critic. Wrote
>under a pseudonym which I can't recall.

Not until now, but checking Amazon I find the out of print Jazz Scene, most
of which is columns he wrote around 1960 for the New Statesman under the
pseudonym Francis Newton.  His 1998 book Uncommon People also contains an
essay on Jazz, so apparently he's maintained his interest.  Anyone read
these and care to comment?

I really enjoyed Age of Extremes, now I want to read some of the earlier
volumes in the series.

NP: Stockhausen, Spiral (integral version)

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:45:55 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism

HI Konrad!

If you have those recordings at hand, don't be scared by the price. It's
worth the money!

I don't know Archery or Pool for a simple reason: I've heard some of Zorn's
early works and they're not my cup of tea at all.

If you know the book released by Materiali Sonori "Itinerari oltre il suono:
John Zorn", it came with a CD featuring Zorn & Chadbourne's collaborations
between 1977-1981. I haven't got such a large stomach to swallow that. The
sound is awful (recorded to reel-to-reel tape) and the improvisations really
extreme, in such an way that I cannot find any connections with my
conception of coherence. It's not like I'm not into "incoherence┤", but this
one in particular doesn't appeal to me.

Someone compared the "compositions" in this CD with those included in "The
Parachute Years" and I got immediately discouraged.

Cobra is something else. I really think that this is a very remarkable part
of Zorn's work core. The "Tokyo Operations" sound real good. Can't detail
too much cause I don't own it myself but as far as I can recall, it's worth
the listen -maybe even more than the "Live at the KF" version. Haven't heard
the one from Hathut (it'll be re-released in short).

Such a long e-mail. Sorry.

Best regards,

EfrΘn




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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:59:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Misha Mengelberg

Thanks everyone for all the great Misha recommendations.

Tom

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:01:25 +0200
From: Rob Allaert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cobra Releases

How many Cobra CD's are in existance? I think I only saw the KF one with=20=

the ugly cover. Which is the best and why ?

   Efr=E9n del Valle wrote:

> the "Tokyo Operations"
> the "Live at the KF" version
> the one from Hathut

    greetings,
      Rob @ risk
        np: Convergence from Dave Douglas
           (eagerly waiting for some new Douglas String Music)

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:11:49 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cobra Releases

How many Cobra CD's are in existance? I think I only saw the KF one with
the ugly cover. Which is the best and why ?


There are three that I know. The one with the ugly cover, as you well
pointed, released by Knitting Factory Works. Since that was my first Zorn
acquisition and was absolutely astonished, I can't be really objective about
it.
There is the "Cobra: Tokyo Operations" album, released through the Avant
label. This is really good as far as I remember. It featured an all-Japanese
ensemble with assorted traditional instruments. Can't detail too much from
the top of my head. I really recommend this one as a good starter to game
pieces.  It's really fast-paced and the instrumentation makes it a really
delightful listening.

Also, a studio version of "Cobra" was released through the Hathut label. I
think it is out of print but it appears among the upcoming Hat re-releases
for 2001. Maybe the cover could help you remember, since it features Kiriko
Kubo's fantastic drawings (the ones in Filmworks VII). Some names I can
recall on that album are Wayne Horvitz, Joey Baron, Bill Frisell, Carol
Emanuel and not much more.
I haven't heard this one.
Hope it helps.

Best regards,

EfrΘn
   EfrΘn del Valle wrote:

> the "Tokyo Operations"
> the "Live at the KF" version
> the one from Hathut

    greetings,
      Rob @ risk
        np: Convergence from Dave Douglas
           (eagerly waiting for some new Douglas String Music)

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:21:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: konrad <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ejaculating candleabras

On Sun, 20 May 2001, s/Z wrote:

> Which reminds me of the Spike Jones sequence in which a small man is
> playing a fetus grand piano [What's smaller than a baby grand and
> larger than a toy grand?] and singing "I'm In The Mood For Love"
> eventually joined by his very tall 'brother' playing a one-stringed
> instrument until this white liquid starts spurting from the piano's
> candleabra and the two musicians begin wrestling each other and
> falling all over each other falling on the fetus grand covered in
> white goo.


Don't anybody DARE interpret that.


^Z



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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:26:33 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: destroying pianos

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Skip Heller
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:55 AM

> of the opera sketch), and there was a really good Fellini-esque scene in
> which a piano was flung (via catapult) on the TV show NORTHERN EXPOSURE.

There's a scene that out-Fellinis Fellini in Alejandro Jodorowsky's "Fando
et Lis," where a man plays a burning piano amidst the rubble of destroyed
buildings. (Later we see the piano collapse and rebuild itself.)

Okay, enough of the piano destruction...

Later,
Ben

np: twilight circus dub sound system, "dub plates volume two"

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