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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #437
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, May 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 437
In this issue:
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it's been done (was Re: Playing inside the piano)
Re: AMM recs. (where to start?)
Re: AMM recs. (where to start?)
Re: Playing inside the piano
Re: Playing inside the piano, Michael Snow
misha
Caspar Brotzmann
Re: Playing inside the piano
[Fwd: Re: AMM]
Re: Playing inside the piano
Re: Caspar Brotzmann
Re: Caspar Brotzmann
Re: Playing inside the piano, Michael Snow
Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)
Re: Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)
Re: Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)
Re: Vaclav Havel/Zappa/CP,III
Re: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism
Re: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:34:32 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: it's been done (was Re: Playing inside the piano)
No more "it's been done" please, just good music!
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:27:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <jcbivins@unity.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: AMM recs. (where to start?)
Hi,
If you think you're going to like AMM, you might want to invest in their
3-disc set "Laminal." Each of the three concerts comes from a different
period in their history: 1969, 1982, and 1994. For stand-alone discs, I'd
single out later stuff like "Allentown" or "Nameless Uncarved Block," but
you also might want to start at the beginning with "AMMMusic" or "The
Crypt."
Jason
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AMM recs. (where to start?)
- --- Drivymovie@aol.com wrote:
> I recently noticed that DMG is having a sale on
> Matchless/AMM discs. Could
> anyone recommend a few essential primer AMM discs
> (or any other notable
> Matchless releases)?
I'm sure folks will be happy to drops recs, but this
has already been discussed in great detail several
times on-list, with recommendations for different
tastes as well. You might try the archives within the
past six months, certainly the past year, and do a
word search for "AMM" on each month of list
discussion. The Zornlist archives are at:
http://www.browbeat.com//zornlist.html#Archive
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:21:59 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano
> On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 05:50:57AM -0400, Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
>> In a message dated 5/18/01 4:42:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, oger@worldnet.fr
>> writes:
>>
>> << >samuel yrui said:
>>>
>>> once i was playing two saxes and my friend said: "it's been done." so i
>>> started playing one sax and said: "so has this."
>>> if playing inside the piano is cliche, then outside of it must just be the
>>> dinosaur days. >>
>>
>> Now the question that screams for an answer--how about playing a sax inside
>> of a piano...has that been done?
>
> It would have to be done by a very small person. Otherwise, curled up
> inside, the player might find breathing effectively to be difficult.
Let us not forget talking inside a piano -- a technique employed on Zappa's
LUMPY GRAVY, or -- my personal favorite --throwing the top off, jumping into
the piano, stomping all over the strings, squirting lighter fluid in there,
and igniting it.
No -- not the work of some cheesy Cage-ite performance art racketeer. It's
how Jerry Lee lewis dealt with the issue of having to go on before Chuck
Berry in 1957.
Now THAT'S avant-garde prepared piano at its most primal.
skip h
np: charles mingus -- revenge
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:38:54 -0400
From: Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano, Michael Snow
Michael Snow (just as great a pianist as he is a filmmaker!) has this
amazing technique where he plays inside the piano with one hand and outside
with the other on the same notes! Really beautiful subtle interaction
between the two.
Does anyone know if he has recorded? If so, are any albums in print?
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:43:44 -0700
From: "Martin Wisckol" <Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com>
Subject: misha
i think the correct answer was "at a record store, real or virtual." but
as cecil said, "logic is the lowest form of magic."
misha put out a solo CD last year called "solo." buzz records. wide
ranging -- even a little suite for richard wagner -- and very listenable.
but the ones i keep going back to were the soul notes that introduced me
to misha -- "change of season (music of herbie nichols)" and "regeneration
(nichols and monk)" the lineup includes steve lacy, george lewis and han
bennink, with roswell rudd in the trombone chair instead for
"regeneration."
martin
np. cyro baptista -- vira loucos (another i keep coming back to like a
child to the candy shop) (that also gives some zorn content!)
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:47:40 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Caspar Brotzmann
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I've seen a couple of Caspar Brozmann Cds in my usual store and have =
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spend my little funds?
Caspar was playing in Barcelona a couple or three years ago in such =
weird conditions. He didn't play in a regular venue but in a bar in the =
Barri de Gr=E0cia -a really nice quarter- but the place was so packed =
that he had to take his guitar and amp out on the street. His concert =
lasted 15 minutes, after which the police very gently told him to go and =
fuck off somewhere else!
Greetings and thanks in advance,
Efr=E9n del Valle
n.p: Serge Gainsbourg "Comic Strip"
n.r: William S. Burroughs: "El almuerzo desnudo" (The Naked Lunch; such =
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:58:37 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano
In a message dated 5/19/01 3:20:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
velaires@earthlink.net writes:
<< Let us not forget talking inside a piano -- a technique employed on Zappa's
LUMPY GRAVY, or -- my personal favorite --throwing the top off, jumping into
the piano, stomping all over the strings, squirting lighter fluid in there,
and igniting it.
No -- not the work of some cheesy Cage-ite performance art racketeer. It's
how Jerry Lee lewis dealt with the issue of having to go on before Chuck
Berry in 1957.
Now THAT'S avant-garde prepared piano at its most primal. >>
Yep, one that stole Berry's , ahem...fire, I guess.
I's be willing that during Sergey Kuryokhin's Pop Mechanics days, that feat
was probably duplicated, as well as the playing sax from inside of a piano.
After all IIRC, they were known to bring barnyard animals on stage during
their concerts.
- --
=dg=
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:13:47 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: AMM]
- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: AMM
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:46:33 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
To: <newgrange@sfo.com>
hey, Jim.
please forward this to the zorn-list. my reply to all function isn't working
from here. thanks!
=================================
some followups to Jim's post:
the Rowe/Nakamura CD will be recorded next month (if all goes according to plan)
in France, and will be out by the end of the year.
Alvin Curran and Richard Teitelbaum are working with Alga Marghen to reissue
early MEV material, both previously released and unreleased. the first CD,
Spacecraft, is just out, and should be at Forced Exposure in a few weeks. it
looks great, I haven't heard it yet.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:40:56 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano
Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
>
> Now the question that screams for an answer--how about playing a sax inside
> of a piano...has that been done?
Actually, I do remember seeing this done (not *standing* in the piano, you
fools, *blowing* into it) at the Hot House ... I couldn't swear to it, but I
think it was Evan Parker.
- --
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant."
-- Warren Dearden
np: Phantasmagoria, _Cantata_
nr:
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:35:15 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Caspar Brotzmann
At 10:47 PM 5/19/01 +0200, Efr=E9n del Valle wrote:=20
>>>>
I've seen a couple of Caspar Brozmann Cds in my usual store and have been a
temptation now for quite a long time. Anybody thinks I should spend my
little funds?
<<<<
I've got three of his, one called Home by the Caspar Brotzmann Massaker,
one with F.M.Einheit called Merry Christmas (not a Christmas album, heh!)
and one called Zulutime with Page Hamilton. I like Home the least, to my
ears a rather plodding affair with growling vocals and *heavy*, unsubtle
rock drumming. Zulutime is twin guitars, lots of feedback and guitar
noise, pretty good stuff. I'm least familiar with the Einheit
collaboration, but my recollection is that it's pretty noisy too, with the
exception that half the noise is provided by percussives instead of guitar.
Of the three, I'd recommend Zulutime first.
NP: e-rax (Peter Van Bergen, Thomas Lehn & Gert-Jan Prins), Live at Bimhuis
(speaking of noisy affairs)
NR: Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Extremes (History of the world, 1914-1991)
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:15:46 -0700
From: "s/Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Caspar Brotzmann
When I really want to get senseless
I enjoy the duo with daddy:
Last Home 1990 Deutsche Pathological
With Peter Br=F6tzmann on bass/tenor sax
Die, Saurier, Die
Talk To The Canoe Driver
Last Home
Little Man In The Boat
Doozandazzy
Yazzihamper
Witch Hazel In The Dark Afternoon
Fette Biester
Tantarabobs
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:22:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano, Michael Snow
Matt:
Snow has a new two CD set out which features him
playing regular piano and a synthesized model. I'm not
describing it correctly and, right now, I can't think
what the disc is called or on what label it's on.
However Snow, as a member of the CCMC, has had a long
association with the Music Gallery in Toronto, where I
attended a "preview" of the discs.
The MG Web site is:
www.musicgallery.org
and if you drop the folks an e-mail at:
staff@musicgallery.org
I'm sure somone can tye correct information and tell
you how get that Snow disc.
Ken Waxman
- --- Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu> wrote:
> Michael Snow (just as great a pianist as he is a
> filmmaker!) has this
> amazing technique where he plays inside the piano
> with one hand and outside
> with the other on the same notes! Really beautiful
> subtle interaction
> between the two.
>
> Does anyone know if he has recorded? If so, are any
> albums in print?
>
>
> -
>
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:33:17 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)
At 06:35 PM 5/19/01 -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
>
>NR: Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Extremes (History of the world, 1914-1991)
No sooner do I send out this email than I need some assistance from some of
our European list members. Hobsbawm is writing about the end of socialism
in Russia in 1989 and mentions Vaclav Havel in passing. Specifically, he
says that Havel was 'surrounded by an eccentric body of advisers ranging
from a scandal-loving American rock musician to a member of the Habsburg
high aristocracy.' Who was this scandal-loving rock musician to whom Havel
turned for advice? Details appreciated.
Maybe since we don't hear from him much anymore, the advice in question was
given by JZ at the Knit, but that seems farfetched ;-)
NP: AMM, Live in Allentown
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:38:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <jcbivins@unity.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)
Zappa.
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 17:20:18 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Vaclav Havel (was Re: Caspar Brotzmann)
> At 06:35 PM 5/19/01 -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
>>
>> NR: Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Extremes (History of the world, 1914-1991)
>
> No sooner do I send out this email than I need some assistance from some of
> our European list members. Hobsbawm is writing about the end of socialism
> in Russia in 1989 and mentions Vaclav Havel in passing. Specifically, he
> says that Havel was 'surrounded by an eccentric body of advisers ranging
> from a scandal-loving American rock musician to a member of the Habsburg
> high aristocracy.' Who was this scandal-loving rock musician to whom Havel
> turned for advice? Details appreciated.
>
> Maybe since we don't hear from him much anymore, the advice in question was
> given by JZ at the Knit, but that seems farfetched ;-)
>
> NP: AMM, Live in Allentown
>
> --
> Caleb Deupree
> cdeupree@erinet.com
>
>
> -
>
Zappa was actually in the process of helping put together an economic
development company called "Why Not? that would unite American business
interests in touch with Czech manufacturing interests. Havel was "politely"
warned off of dealing with FZ by somebody high up somewhere.
skip h
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:05:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: konrad <konrad@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Vaclav Havel/Zappa/CP,III
On Sun, 20 May 2001, Skip Heller wrote:
>
>
> > At 06:35 PM 5/19/01 -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
> >>
> >> NR: Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Extremes (History of the world, 1914-1991)
> >
> > No sooner do I send out this email than I need some assistance from some of
> > our European list members. Hobsbawm is writing about the end of socialism
> > in Russia in 1989 and mentions Vaclav Havel in passing. Specifically, he
> > says that Havel was 'surrounded by an eccentric body of advisers ranging
> > from a scandal-loving American rock musician to a member of the Habsburg
> > high aristocracy.' Who was this scandal-loving rock musician to whom Havel
> > turned for advice? Details appreciated.
> >
> >
> Zappa was actually in the process of helping put together an economic
> development company called "Why Not? that would unite American business
> interests in touch with Czech manufacturing interests. Havel was "politely"
> warned off of dealing with FZ by somebody high up somewhere.
>
US State Department is what i heard. James Baker was in charge for the
Reagan Administration.
Re: Civilzation, Phaze III. Zappa liked this piano technique so much he
put a bunch of the Ensemble Modern musicians, who were around recording
samples for him, and his daughter and her boyfriend back into the piano
for another recording session to match the (1967) Lumpy Gravy ones. The
whole piece (2 CDs worth of music) is supposed to be a kind of music
theater TAKING PLACE inside a giant piano.
konrad
^Z
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:30:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: konrad <konrad@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism
On Fri, 18 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] efr=E9n del valle wrote:
> I had the chance to listen to these new pieces
> yesterday for the first time.
> In opposition to what someone commented on some days
> ago, I'd regard the Erik Fridelander solo performance
> as excellent.
> In general terms, "Love..." is such an enjoyable
> listening, although maybe somehow harsh for those who
> aren't fans of Zorn's contemporary classical projects.
> To make myself clear, I wouldn't recommend this as a
> starter for Zorn's classical stuff.
Why do you say that? Just so you know i'm not trolling, i just bought my
first batch of Zorn disks (that, Cobra, EA Bar Bands, and Strategy), and
since people here were mentioning it, that was the first one i put on and
listened twice through. Call me a naive, but i was delighted. (The only
complaint came from my girlfriend who said it was hard to read the
silver-on-gold lettering. Sometimes they could alter the Tzadik color
scheme a _little_.)
What would have been a better 'intro to semi;)-classical Zorn' disk, so i
can have something next to buy?
konrad
^Z
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:41:46 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism
Naive? According to what I said you're precisely the opposite. As a starter
for Zorn "classical/serious/contemporary-oriented" or whatever you want to
call them, I'd recommend something else due to the fact that it's easier for
me to get into this kind of music with large ensembles. That's why I said
that maybe starting with a solo, duo and trio performance could be more
difficult.
The records you mention are really "balls out" as someone referred some
weeks ago.
I'd recommend "Aporias", "Duras:Duchamp", "Elegy", "Kristallnacht" and "The
STring Quartets". All of them are superb works in their unique styles.
"Aporias" is a suite for piano and orchestra and in the recording it was
performed by the AMerican Composers Orchestra with Stephen Drury doing a
magnificient solo work as usual.
"Duras" is maybe more "minimalist" -although I hate the adjective- but it's
really and evocative, quiet piece for strings, percussion and John Medeski
on organ. IMHO, the most highlightable aspect of the piece is how well it
manages to create an environment by itself, how evocative of the French
writer's work it is. Really one of my favs.
I think that "Elegy" and "Kristallnacht" need no presentation and these
stand as some of Zorn's best works, IMHO.
"The STring Quartets" is a really good compilation of Zorn's chamber
compositions that features some of his recurrent subjects: Judaism, S/M,
cartoons, etc. The highlights for me are his classical "Cat O'Nine Tails"
and "Kol NIdre", a sorts of meditative piece on Judaism α la Arvo PΣrt, as
zorn himself referres to in the liner notes.
Greetings,
EfrΘn del Valle
Why do you say that? Just so you know i'm not trolling, i just bought my
first batch of Zorn disks (that, Cobra, EA Bar Bands, and Strategy), and
since people here were mentioning it, that was the first one i put on and
listened twice through. Call me a naive, but i was delighted. (The only
complaint came from my girlfriend who said it was hard to read the
silver-on-gold lettering. Sometimes they could alter the Tzadik color
scheme a _little_.)
What would have been a better 'intro to semi;)-classical Zorn' disk, so i
can have something next to buy?
konrad
^Z
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