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Zorn List Digest         Friday, May 18 2001         Volume 03 : Number 434



In this issue:
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       ZORNGEM A
       Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism
       Re: Playing inside the piano
       Re: Playing inside the piano
       Pascal Battus/Jerome Noetinger
       metamkine us distrib
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #433
       BENEATH THE BORQA in Afghanistan
       AMM/academics (conference notice)
       Re: AMM
       Re: Playing inside the piano
       Re: Playing inside the piano
       toy music -- nintendo gamboy
       RE: Playing inside the piano
       Misha Mengelberg?
       Fwd: Misha Mengelberg?

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:23:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ZORNGEM A

An extract from a work in progress at a leisurely pace in which ZORN appears-

A
1984
3.
Company Week 84: DOCUMENT 930319.6
(A paper document, 8 x half -A4 pages)

(Page 1 - black on yellow)

"COMPANY WEEK 1984
27th June-1st July
ICA Theatre, London

ANTONY PAY
DEREK BAILEY
JOHN ZORN
MICK BECK
PHIL DURRANT
PHILLIP EASTOP
STUART JONES
THEBE LIPERE
WILL EVANS"

(page 2)
(A monochrome photograph of DB, standing, with guitar)

(page 3)
(Instrumentation for musicians, as listed, is given: clarinet; guitars;
reeds; reeds; violin; horn; cello; percussion; percussion.

The following statement,  ascribed to "Derek Bailey", appears -

"For Company in 1984 I have brought together a group of musicians who have
not previously worked as an ensemble. They come from different parts of the
musical universe and in some cases are completely unfamiliar with each
other's work. We shall make music together on the basis of a shared interest
in improvisation.
Everybody appears each evening in groupings to be decided immediately before
each performance.")

(Pages 4 - 7)
(These pages give brief details of each musician, together with a monochrome
photograph of each)

(Page 8, black on yellow)
"With  financial assistance from the Arts Council of Great  Britain".

[END]

Best regards
Roger Parry

Anyone for more?

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:00:17 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism

Hi everyone!

I had the chance to listen to these new pieces
yesterday for the first time.
In opposition to what someone commented on some days
ago, I'd regard the Erik Fridelander solo performance
as excellent.
In general terms, "Love..." is such an enjoyable
listening, although maybe somehow harsh for those who
aren't fans of Zorn's contemporary classical projects.
To make myself clear, I wouldn't recommend this as a
starter for Zorn's classical stuff.
The trio performance is no less than superb.
However, these compositions need specially repated
listenings so I'm in no position to comment in depth.


Many of you talk about "Songs of the Hermetic Theater"
but I've not read or heard about it yet. What's that
supposed to be about?

Regards,

EfrΘn del VAlle


- --- Jeni Dahmus <[e-mail]> escribi≤: >
De: Jeni Dahmus <[e-mail]>
> Para: "'[e-mail]'"
> <[e-mail]>
> Asunto: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism
> Fecha: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:29:23 -0400
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> hey,
> i don't think this message is appropriate, being
> that it actually has SOME
> Zorn content :) but um.. I picked it up the other
> day, and while I must say
> I'm personally eagearly awaiting Songs of the
> Hermetic Theater, the pieces
> presented on this album are definitely worth
> hearing. As I've mentioned a
> lot before, I'm a very big fan of Zorn's
> semi-classical compositions, maybe
> just a little bit more than his other projects. But
> don't get me wrong, I
> hold them all in VERY high regard, just ask my
> girlfriend, who thinks I'm a
> pretentious jerk. :) Anyway here are some random
> thoughts. "Love, Madness,
> and Mysticism", while being a good collection of
> pieces, is not an excellent
> collection of pieces.
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Can you please explain what you mean by
> semi-classical?  The pieces on Love,
> Madness, and Mysticism are notated and draw on
> contemporary classical
> techniques, such as pitch sets.  I agree that Zorn's
> classical projects are
> among his most interesting.  I find this collection
> excellent, not just
> good.
>
> Jeni
>
> -
>


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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:40:45 +0200
From: Oger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano

>
>samuel yrui said:
>
>once i was playing two saxes and my friend said: "it's been done."  so i
>started playing one sax and said: "so has this."
>if playing inside the piano is cliche, then outside of it must just be the
>dinosaur days.  no... i'm being a little to overboard in my comparision.
>but what i mean is that inside or outside of the piano, i think as long as
>the pianist doesn't think of playing inside of the piano as an avant garde
>gimmick, but that they do what needs to be done to get the sounds they have
>in their head by any means necessary.  it just makes it sound like your
>saying that perhaps there is a small amount of options inside of the piano
>than outside of it, which i don't think is true, although the thing was made
>for playing on the keys.  but i agree that a lot of people probably do it
>when it isn't really necessary, but just for the trend of "ooh, crazy."
>   anyway,
>     -samuel
>

Well,
I apologize to add a new name of pianist playing (from time to time)
inside the piano :
Sophie Agnel.
I think she deserves listening. She has made a good solo CD on french
label Vandoeuvre. She will play at Victoriaville this year with
turntablist Eric M and trumpetist Axel Dorner.

Jacques Oger
np : "Points, snags and windings" John Butcher/Dylan van de Schyff (Meniscus)


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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:40:32 +0200
From: Oger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano

>
>samuel yrui said:
>
>once i was playing two saxes and my friend said: "it's been done."  so i
>started playing one sax and said: "so has this."
>if playing inside the piano is cliche, then outside of it must just be the
>dinosaur days.  no... i'm being a little to overboard in my comparision.
>but what i mean is that inside or outside of the piano, i think as long as
>the pianist doesn't think of playing inside of the piano as an avant garde
>gimmick, but that they do what needs to be done to get the sounds they have
>in their head by any means necessary.  it just makes it sound like your
>saying that perhaps there is a small amount of options inside of the piano
>than outside of it, which i don't think is true, although the thing was made
>for playing on the keys.  but i agree that a lot of people probably do it
>when it isn't really necessary, but just for the trend of "ooh, crazy."
>   anyway,
>     -samuel
>

Well,
I apologize to add a new name of pianist playing (from time to time)
inside the piano :
Sophie Agnel.
I think she deserves listening. She has made a good solo CD on french
label Vandoeuvre. She will play at Victoriaville this year with
turntablist Eric M and trumpetist Axel Dorner.

Jacques Oger
np : "Points, snags and windings" John Butcher/Dylan van de Schyff (Meniscus)


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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:41:59 +0200
From: Oger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pascal Battus/Jerome Noetinger

>
>I don't have my copy of WIRE here right now, but is
>anyone familiar with a couple of the artists Keith
>Rowe mentions as being personal favorites working
>today...a guitarist with the last name Battus and a
>group with Jerome Noetinger called Metamkine-something-or-other?


Jerome Noetinger is a very interesting musician.
Playing tape music, electronics, electroacoustic, amplified objects,
sampling, sound ...
He plays in Mimeo. He plays with Lionel Marchetti. They  have
released a CD on StaalPlaat : "Mort aux Vaches". And another one on
Corpus Hermeticum (New Zealand) with violonist Mathieu Werchowski.
There will be a CD release on Potlatch with Agnel/Noetinger/Marchetti
by the end of year 2001.

Pascal Battus was a drummer. Now he plays guitar (laid on table) and
more and more amplified objects. I saw him recently and I was amazed
by his playing. He belongs to a guitar quartet called "Misere et
cordes" and a CD is already released on Potlatch and will be
available very soon in june 2001.  He should release a CD with trio
Pheromone (including saxophonist Jean-Luc Guionnet and hurly-gurly
player Eric Cordier) on Corpus Hermeticum in fall 2001.

Jacques Oger





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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:00:35 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: metamkine us distrib

In a message dated 5/17/01 9:35:31 PM,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Rowe seems to have
superlative praise for Metamkine, but I've had a spot
of trouble tracing down any domestic distribution,
discogs, etc.   >>

a french label that does 3" CDs of electronic musics.
available thru anomalousrecords.com usually at 6.99 USD.
probably some also thru my fave little distrib, manifoldrecords.com.
yrs
steve koenig

I cover all media: cassettes, vinyl, CD-r, SACD,
DVD, books, magazines, and video.

I acknowledge, via e-mail, receipt of promotional items,
and send tearsheets and text/URL when reviews are printed.

Cordially,
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:52:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #433

I wrote:

>The Tom Cora orgy begins on Thurs. May 17th.


I *MEANT* to write:

The Tom Cora orgy begins on Thurs May *24th*

Sorry!

Steve

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:52:43 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: BENEATH THE BORQA in Afghanistan

Caipirinha Records is putting on a really interested show for a worthwhile cause next week.  Check it out: http://www.aah-usa.org/events.html

Best,
Jason
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online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect




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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: AMM/academics (conference notice)

Since we've been speaking about both of these
subjects, I thought I would mention this, for those
with access to London:

SECOND BIENNIAL INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON
TWENTIETH-CENTURY MUSIC
DEPT OF MUSIC, GOLDSMITHS COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY OF
LONDON
Thursday 28 June - Sunday 1 July 2001
http://musicinfo.gold.ac.uk/music/C20%20Conference

Just to mention the most germane items, Christopher
Hobbs (ex-AMM?) will be delivering a lecture, as well
as John Tilbury ("Feldman and the Piano: the art of
touch and the celebration of contingency"); and there
will be a roundtable on "performance issues" which
includes Tilbury and Eddie Prevost, among others.  I
notice that Tilbury will perform with a Sebastian
Lexer (who is this?) in a "live electronics" setting.
There's a lecture on "The Music of John Zorn and
Schizoanalysis" and entire panels on John Cage and
Ligeti, respectively.  I'd be interested to know how
the conference goes, if anyone here is attending; as
interesting as some of the titles are, it would be
nice to see what shape the music writing/thinking
takes.

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:40:44 -0700
From: "D Dvb" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AMM

<<<Also, Rowe, at times, resembled an 18-year old kid who's heard Sonic
Youth for the first time and is searching for any object to scrape across
his newly-bought guitar.>>>

<<ok, I think I've got it. kind of like how Cecil Taylor resembles a little
kid
randomly banging on his new piano after he's just heard Matt Shipp? or how
Evan Parker sounds like he's picking up the sax for the first time after
hearing Ned Rothenberg?>>

Just to clarify: despite the correction, I really did mean Prevost and I was
trying to say that on stage, there were moments where it seemed like he was
looking_for_anything to strike his percussion set, similiar to an 18-year
old kid who doesn't know how to play his new guitar and is looking for some
object to scrape across the strings to make a "cool" sound.  As for Rowe, he
just sat at the table the whole time.  Now I'm not implying that Prevost is
a complete amateur (on the contrary, he's the most interesting aspect of the
three IMO) and shame on me for mixing my images and instruments in such a
confusing manner, but that's just the thought that struck me at the show.

Putting my neophyte status aside when it comes to this type of music, I read
an earlier post about Tilbury talking about this new, subdued(?) direction
in AMMMusic and is it possible that perhaps this new direction doesn't
resonate within me?  Or perhaps I just prefer my improvisation balls-out
(hehe)?

Davy
np: Sonic Youth - Washing Machine (as an aside to Jon's comment about Shipp,
Taylor, et al, I don't like much either Rowe's or Moore's playing and tend
to blame Sonic Youth's relatively few good moments on Lee Renaldo).

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano

David:

An early example of "playing inside the piano" was
courtesy of Burton Greene on his trio album on
ESP-Disk. The sleeve lists that he plays "piano harp"
as well as piano and that's how he uses the
instrument.

Also any chance of Jarett "diving in" and being pulled
down by an undrcurrent?

Ken Waxman


- --- [e-mail] wrote:

> To my knowledge, the first jazzer to do this kind of
> stuff on record was Roger Kellaway, on the
> composition "Brats" on his 1965 trio album.
> Actually, that was a prepared piano; don't know if
> he went inside it during the performance.  Anybody
> know of earlier significant examples involving
> jazzers (yes, genre lines would be problematic),
> live or on record?  When did Jarrett start diving
> in?



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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:20:04 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0400, Ken Waxman wrote:

> An early example of "playing inside the piano" was
> courtesy of Burton Greene on his trio album on
> ESP-Disk. The sleeve lists that he plays "piano harp"
> as well as piano and that's how he uses the
> instrument.

I was in a group in which several of us took turns on piano harp in
college in the late 70s. It was just out of serendipity, though: there
was what had once been a piano in our dorm lounge, from which the
keyboard, etc, had been destroyed and disappeared and all that
remained was the back section with the strings exposed. Needless to
say, the music wasn't particularly portable.

Some years later, when I lived in Brooklyn, another piano harp appeared
in someone's trash a couple of blocks away and stayed there for months.
Unfortunately, it was too heavy to be able to ferret away to my
upstairs apartment.

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:32:07 -0700
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: toy music -- nintendo gamboy

klangstabil -- "gioco bambino" (plate lunch) -- "only a nintendo gameboy
with additional camera cartridge and some simple effect appliances were
used. no overdubs."

martin

np. pierre dorge/new jungle orchestra -- zig zag zymphony


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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:57:47 -0700
From: "Reuben Radding" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Playing inside the piano

Of course the real pioneer of all this stuff, including Bley, Greene, etc,
is the great Henry Cowell, whose pieces "Aeolian Harp" and "Sinister
Resonance" were vastly influential. A major collection of his piano works
appeared on Folkways Records in the early 60's and I have to assume this had
some effect on Jazz-related pianists taking up inside the piano technique.
That collection is on CD now, and I highly reccomend it.

RR


- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Joseph Zitt
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:20 AM
To: Ken Waxman
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano


On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0400, Ken Waxman wrote:

> An early example of "playing inside the piano" was
> courtesy of Burton Greene on his trio album on
> ESP-Disk. The sleeve lists that he plays "piano harp"
> as well as piano and that's how he uses the
> instrument.


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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:19:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Misha Mengelberg?

Anyone know where I can lay my hands on some Misha discs?

Many advance thanks,
Tom

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:53:17 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Misha Mengelberg?

Hi!,

There's a trio with Baron and Brad Jones on Avant (or
was it DIW?) called "Who's Bridge". Someone on the
list recommended it to me and indeed he was right!
Also on Hathut, "two days in chicago", a double cd.
really good!

regards,

efrΘn


- --- [e-mail] escribi≤: > De:
[e-mail]
> Fecha: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:19:21 EDT
> Asunto: Misha Mengelberg?
> Para: [e-mail],
> [e-mail]
>
> Anyone know where I can lay my hands on some Misha
> discs?
>
> Many advance thanks,
> Tom
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
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> Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,
> and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to
> music."
>
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>


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